a111: Logged on 2016-06-02 19:04 asciilifeform: ;;seen Framedragger
phf: Gentlemen, I'm going to be away from civilization until Monday. I failed to get log bot auto reconnect operational in time, which means that if the bot is dropped by freenode, the log won't be updated until I come back on Monday. I apologize for this truly barbaric situation, meanwhile in case of failure you can use
http://glyf.org/h/t-a?back=1 and send curses my way.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 00:42 phf: Gentlemen, I'm going to be away from civilization until Monday. I failed to get log bot auto reconnect operational in time, which means that if the bot is dropped by freenode, the log won't be updated until I come back on Monday. I apologize for this truly barbaric situation, meanwhile in case of failure you can use
http://glyf.org/h/t-a?back=1 and send curses my way.
phf: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ^
phf: Hehe but also will need satellite phone
BingoBoingo: No, encode your bits in the exhaust note. Acoustic is a thing.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> anyway, wiped. i guess once tbot's here ima put the silkroad dump thing in there, maybe it's still around by the time someone figures out the world enough. << in related tbot news: i've got 8 remaining steps outlined to get us to the initial rollout in here. each isn't super hard or anything, working on the first one as I type this.
shinohai: I'm sure any day now he will create the world's first perpetual energy machine.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nb i guess ? /me hasn't been following the whole "let's make muscles" thing
mod6: yeah, just some infrastructure stuff needs to get setup, auth for fleanode, marshalling of data around to expose the tickets, etc.
mod6: but getting closer...
trinque: ah man that went south fast
mod6: see. anal++, but prolapse--.
shinohai: For when fisting just isn't enough I guess.
mod6: ok sweet. so got the instance for tbot up and going. tbot is running.
mod6: it does log the channel activity too, Mr. P., so maybe phf can make use of that if he needs.
mod6: well, guess that's one thing off the list.
mod6: the log? atm, it's still in the instance that runs tbot.
mod6: but once i have my remaining ~6 steps done, it'll be moved to something like thebitcoin.foundation/tickets or something for general consumption by phf or whomever.
mod6: this makes sense to me, because i don't want this irc bot to reside on the same host as the webserver.
mod6: is that what you were meaning by 'it'?
mod6: format will be like this:
mod6: [20160603:02:07:33] [mod6] [werd up]
mod6: phf: something that looks like this ^^ ok or helpful?
☟︎ mod6: it currently doesn't log join/part info.
mod6: but i was guessing that's alright.
mod6: this was implemented as a means to ensure that the logs don't miss anything should one of the other bots drop off of a few minutes or something.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah i guess those details can be you know, set when he's back
mod6: it's in mega-retard mode atm anyway.
mod6: so i gotta kinda fuck with that a bit yet.
mod6: anyway, a work in progress.
mod6: still fighting that cold Mr. P.?
mod6: I finally got all of my plants planted.
mod6: But, I gotta replant some of them. Got a handfull of 'em way to close together.
mod6: if I can find a spot for it, I may build that lean-to you were talkin about
trinque: that "blog content" is found on a number of other pages
trinque: mass sabotage would be far messier, more risk of discovery
ben_vulpes: but i do not know how apache 2 plays into it
ben_vulpes: implications of clozure cl being licensed under apache 2.0
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 04:08 asciilifeform: so it could NOT have been 'all keys made with proggy P.'
BingoBoingo: Which fucknuggets are you worshipping today?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 04:16 asciilifeform: looks like payware.
ben_vulpes: i am likely going to buy a license because what, i pay half that per year per staff member just to derp on ios shits with some modicum less of friction
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: someone made a cool thing that appeals to certain of my perversities, so i throw the fellow a bone. bonus points, i can write toys for my own phone without having to retch about obj-c or swift constantly, or use one of the eldritch js horrors
ben_vulpes: somewhat less bad, i use it, find it somewhere on the freeshare shit spectrum
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform solrodar dude has solved the bounty problem, permanently.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather give bitcoin 20 at a time to the dedicated bob becks than 1 at a time to their 20 year junior worm phase.
mircea_popescu: and while on it : a) wake me up when ivy league is not only free to entry but pays "bounty" to some lazy ass fuckwads for doing the fucking course work and b) the notion that this place will always be free as in beer to join is the height of ridiculousness.
mircea_popescu: (weirdly enough, how is it that the "bounty" experience has failed to inform your opinoin of bounties, much like the "new pogo" has failed to inform your opinion of "oh noes end of pogos" ?)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: must be some sort of "this is how things MUST BE i say, and i dun care what the lab results show" sorta item.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475422 << that the herd is instinctively repelled by pgp, much like soap, so it's perfectly possible NOBODY uses some arbitrary windows offering. much like in the "creative writer and activist"'s house, the broom's not nearly as worn down as the mirror.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 04:05 asciilifeform: see if yours is same as mine.
gribble: Current Blocks: 414609 | Current Difficulty: 1.99312067531243E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 415295 | Next Difficulty In: 686 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 19 hours, 56 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
shinohai: dammit Qntra feed died on twitter overnight
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 05:11 ben_vulpes: blessed be those who port c to php
mircea_popescu: think about all those memory offsets that suddenly can't be ints anymore.
mircea_popescu: random redditard whining paroxistic because hillary is "not equalitarian enough".
shinohai: BingoBoingo: would you publish an article titled "21 dot co releases rebranded crack rock for the reddit niggers" ?
shinohai: crack rock being an adafruit sensor the simply rebranded and called their own
shinohai: 'We're gonna make pennies a day selling the data this thing collects guise!"
mircea_popescu: im sure it's yet another "technical leader" company consisting of the skeleton administrative crew of a failed dropshipper.
shinohai: I'm on @21's shitlist for showing them the picture of the Bitcoin "embassy" from trilema.
shinohai: God I love trilema mircea_popescu ...it triggers so many people.
shinohai: or litmus test, however you prefer
mircea_popescu: if one could somehow be protected from his imbecile ecofeminist mother / limpdick sec compliance father, that is.
shinohai: When I was child, we only had radioshack kits and such
mircea_popescu: yeah we could never make as cool robots as kid can today
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 12:09 mircea_popescu: (weirdly enough, how is it that the "bounty" experience has failed to inform your opinoin of bounties, much like the "new pogo" has failed to inform your opinion of "oh noes end of pogos" ?)
a111: Logged on 2016-05-23 15:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even a matter of sons ; the usg has no sons, nor any vigor in the seed. it's a matter of desperation - everything americans don't buy, the chinese buy, take apart and move to china.
mircea_popescu: that selfsame bounty does not work to somehow magically turn junkie into person.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 13:08 mircea_popescu: it has never been this great to be a teenager, i swear.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 13:16 shinohai: Forrest Mims books, etc
mircea_popescu: they got great sensors, what. not the sort of item that can be usefully made in kitchen.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 12:12 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475422 << that the herd is instinctively repelled by pgp, much like soap, so it's perfectly possible NOBODY uses some arbitrary windows offering. much like in the "creative writer and activist"'s house, the broom's not nearly as worn down as the mirror.
mircea_popescu: why not ? what you say and what i say aren't in any sense exclusive. yes it was the time of a horde of imbeciles "saving hte world". the behaviour of such horde is exactly as per the soap example. an item will not be used because it exists and is useful ; consequently existence and functionality aren't predictive.
mircea_popescu: nope. not anymore than "unwashed herd avoids music like soap" is hard to square with "vast majority of mp4 kilobytes date from period"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 14:04 asciilifeform: (phun phakt: mims was apparently an infamous 'creationist' advocate)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 05:33 ben_vulpes: i am likely going to buy a license because what, i pay half that per year per staff member just to derp on ios shits with some modicum less of friction
mircea_popescu: for the record, as ridiculous as the whole "earth was created ~30k years ago by a trickster that salted it with fossils to fuck with you" is ; it is no more or less ridiculous (seeing how absolutes aren't comparable) than all sorts of commonly accepted idiocies. such as the notion that man "always" had some sort of "equality" notion, along with a whole host of imbecile anachronisms the general herd entertains ; or that humani
mircea_popescu: ty evolved 50k years ago ; or that "temperatures have been raising", or or or.
mircea_popescu: tons of inept shit people believe, chiefly because of the convenient insulation time provides.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't become religious until someone extracts some spurious "should" and starts throwing it at others.
mircea_popescu: so he rolls 2 ints, randomly. that neither come out even is 1/4
mircea_popescu: what naked eye ? i paste you a pubkey and you tell me if it's even by looking at the armor ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your ideas of "naked eye" ever wonder me.
mircea_popescu: anyway, by the same logic, about half should be divisible by 3. scarcely any are.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> for the record, as ridiculous as the whole "earth was created ~30k years ago << more like ~6.1k years ago
mircea_popescu: like for instance, nipples are visible to the naked eye.
mircea_popescu: the logical construction of "naked eye" in this context is, visible in the armored pubkey as user is expected to manipulate. whadda ya want now.
danielpbarron: that's about how long it's been if you add up the years between all the guys listed in the geneology in The Bible, and then add how long it's been ~since Christ
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron why even bother, rather than declare a number, and preferably a platonic number or something, and then forever stick to that. "it's been 3600 years ago".
mircea_popescu: 100 years from now, still 3600 years ago. same explanations can be produced.
mircea_popescu: whether anything is true or not is a complex matter ; but it could be arguabe ~to the same standard~.
mircea_popescu: ie, that it may seem like stuff is around proving otherwise, but it was planted.
danielpbarron: even the star-light is 'planted' in that those stars couldn't possibly have been burning for billions of years
shinohai: My mind is boggled that danielpbarron could actually believe earth is only 6.1k years old.
shinohai: I know *that* asciilifeform ... I live in so-called Bible Belt
shinohai: Where the word of Ken Hamm reigns over Bill Nye
mod6: bill nye, the science guy
shinohai: That debate was one of the lulzier things I have ever watched.
mircea_popescu: ftr, the "official" notion as to the age of the universe is not ~fundamentally~ better than the "3600 years ago, fixed value".
mod6: faith that instruments and math/physics are correct?
mircea_popescu: well, no, bit what instruments specifically ? what math ?
mircea_popescu: it's all a matter of "hey, check out how well these variables fit". "mmmkay ?"
mircea_popescu: that happens to be exactly the same argument supporting the 3600 year world ; except with different equations.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's say that the resulting "age of universe" constant is more a function of what subset of experimental data you look at ; than anything else.
mircea_popescu: for that matter we know for a fact that speed of light isn't a constant at large timescales.
mircea_popescu: there are all sorts of problems once you get out of the 3600 year bubble, so to speak.
mircea_popescu: hence a certain quaint oldstyle philosopher merit in the stance. "fuck you, you don't know anything" said diogenes in his 3600 yo tub.
mircea_popescu: even the sentence as stated, "oh, universe begun x bn years ago". "really, it was years ? what spun around what sun, that top of a mother of yours ?"
mircea_popescu: "a proper prince's penis should be as long as my thumb" said the 12 yo princess in her diary.
mircea_popescu: and yes, "lower bound", you know ? like this : "if the universe ends up being less old than X, we'll have to re-do all these calculations, somehow. i have no idea how the fuck, so let's hope it doesn't happen - and also thar mars rises on time. fucking precession.
mircea_popescu: what happened when the planet didn't appear on time ? they took the whole plumbing of math and physics and instruments apart.
mircea_popescu: that event had repeated itself > 100 times by now, or at least had, in the 90s when i stopped tracking.
mircea_popescu: sure, plenty of that. but no, for the same money you could say 1915 physics is made of perpetuum mobile quacks.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the deep reason "government" as in, the united retards, are so fixated on big data is simply because that's what physics has been doing since ~80s
mod6: haha. 'united retards'
mircea_popescu: looky alf : it's fucking broken. we know it's broken. there's no fixing this. gotta collect stamps because gotta start somewhere.
mod6: that's totally its new name
mircea_popescu: lotta classification work in nature before anatomy became a thing
mircea_popescu: there's no way out of it. "physics" is not a thing. the paradigm is too broken to rescue.
mircea_popescu: eh get out, and solid state gyros are a thing of the devil ?
mircea_popescu: point remains, the way ahead is probably going to be automated maths (as we discussed re v a year ago) applied to immense reams of data. just like in genetics, and so following.
mircea_popescu: science as "fits in head" is not exactly practicable anymore.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, good luck with that. nosce te ipsum's a bridge too far
mircea_popescu: says the man who believes pgpdump -i to be "naked eye"
mircea_popescu: you're the cunt in this relationship. the penis, is ITS.
mircea_popescu: naked eye means no one's showing you anything, you're seeing. opposite situation.
mircea_popescu: and in physics, you could spend 10bn years with a spaceship and a huge fly net, get same effect.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly what i was talking about ; no idea why you colored it in idiocy-du-jour nsa crapolade./
mircea_popescu: what'd you have me call it ? take the cern cyclotron as the flagship example.
mircea_popescu: right, in the sense that it went as far as tesla-style can go
mircea_popescu: what exactly "megalomaniacal" ? i dun get it. it's a tool.
mircea_popescu: is icbm fuel tank "megalomaniacal" because of parochial view that ride-on lawnmower tank "should be enough for everyone" ?
mircea_popescu: but you seem to have attached in a random spot to my comparison, that wasn't in any sense contemplated in the original discussion.
mircea_popescu: what is this, ricochet thinking with very angry people ?
mircea_popescu: and you base this on anything other than "it's large and i don't exactly understand how it functions" ?
mircea_popescu: because neither of these are, substantially, bars to its being physics.
mircea_popescu: it's not related with "strings" other than, finally universally accepted proof they're nonsense.
mircea_popescu: well, the reason that is all we have is that previous physics died in a pool of its own vomit ; and that current math is not up to the task of supporting a repair.
mircea_popescu: and that math is insufficient is already seen in, say, protein study.
mircea_popescu: the notion that the computer "creates" priests is not unlike the 3yo's notion that THE CHAIR ~made it~ stumble.
mircea_popescu: well, principally schwartz has power to prevent schwartz. usually through variations of imgur thing.
mircea_popescu: gotta know when you have the ~obligation~ to join the terrorists.
mircea_popescu: people like to delude themselves about all sorts of optionalities that they neither have nor could exist.
mircea_popescu: "how can i be an independent married woman" "you can't be" "but i want to live like i please and make my own decisions and also have fambly and stuff" "shut the fuck up, you're too stupid to breathe"
mircea_popescu: looky, if you want to do things FOR SUCH REASONS, you have absolutely no business deluding yourself with notions of "science" or whatever.
mircea_popescu: you're just another retarded teenage whore with a narcissism complex.
mircea_popescu: go camming or whatevert it is, people will look at you.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck difference could it possibly make WHO READS IT!
mircea_popescu: and the idea is that if pbs made a weekend special about it, what, majorana'd feel better ?
mircea_popescu: you suppose if a coupla choice quotes get your penis wet, shakespeare goers "oh look, some fuckwad got laid, my life's not been in vain" ?
mircea_popescu: being a scientist is not, nor can be, ~ a profession~. you understand ?
mircea_popescu: it can be what you do, if you choose to do it. it can be what you "are", if you care to think in those terms.
mircea_popescu: but, like music, or love or whatever the fuck, it's a complete package, with motivation falling within it not without it.
mircea_popescu: well, the problem with getting the schwartzes together is that they're traditionally VERY indisciplined.
mircea_popescu: it's a wonderful thing, i don't rightly understand it either, but they're terrible at it.
mircea_popescu: obviously, a certain lassitude of thought is required to think properly. but nowhere is it said that if you shit in toilet, you must also bathe in toilet, eat from toilet...
mircea_popescu: there's this lively "industria argentina" making shitty movies, and you know, it's so obviously retard kid copying it hurts
mircea_popescu: thgere was an action movie with an old fuck holding a rifle exactly like a fishing rod
shinohai: I forgot, I have had it in my ridiculous stock photo collection for some time.
shinohai: Got to put solder on top of the capacitors to ensure they stay put
mircea_popescu: no. thats the crazy thing. you think, at first, that it does.
mircea_popescu: so, you're a young and enthused, reasonably clever, 19yo girl in random shithole country.
mircea_popescu: part and parcel of this being, you discover you're actually kinda dumb...
mircea_popescu: hey check that out, you weren't even holding the knife correctly...
mircea_popescu: how do you at this point distinguish this encounter from you know, joining a cult ?
mircea_popescu: so yes of fucking course it creeps in, i can't be arsed to police the entire edge of the fucking world.
mircea_popescu: your notion that "gods" could be just a label, and then you promote "science" to "god-dom" and everythig will be ok because "it's not really a god" is outright endearing.
mircea_popescu: fine, but this practical approach does not resolve the discussed 19yo's problem any ; it's not practical to enforce separation between idiocy and sense on all the edges, nor will it ever be.
mircea_popescu: nor has it ever been, actually. so as a practical matter, you're guaranteed some contamination.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 15:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes, it goes back to the 'blind loyalty' thread
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 15:55 asciilifeform: thinking folks have chronic problems with forming spartan 'testudo'
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 16:04 mircea_popescu: nor has it ever been, actually. so as a practical matter, you're guaranteed some contamination.
mircea_popescu: dude chinese people from the mao ebullitious era all share this rodent appearance. like walking voles or something, all round and teethy.
mircea_popescu: somehow i doubt the real life models were nearly as... bubbly.
trinque: psa that joe's datacenter will happily stand up an openbsd box on the cheap
trinque: monday night I'm gonna migrate deedbot off my trb node box; will be much more responsive
mircea_popescu: brilliant solution. now they'll be responsible for curating it.
trinque: "Luckily, signature verification crypto doesn't have to worry about side channel attacks. Alternatively, we could add openssl as a dependency and outsource the signature verification to it."
mod6: <+trinque> monday night I'm gonna migrate deedbot off my trb node box; will be much more responsive << cool
mircea_popescu: in the end, there's no real solution to naggum's point. herd tither.
mircea_popescu: anyway, props to the blody shovel dude for noticing the obvious
mircea_popescu: he is clever. to wit : "What kind of intellectual climate existed in that time. What happens when everyone is coming up with new ideas all the time? Think about it in contemporary terms. What happens when everybody and his grandma has his own ideas is… a whole lot of signaling spirals."
mircea_popescu: "So basically, Confucius today would approve of Angela Merkel and Bryan Caplan. Thanks dude. No wonder he was never taken seriously by any of the dozens of kings of his time, and died a low-class civil servant. His universalism however was catnip for the nascent class of non-aristocratic bureaucrats, who developed it for centuries after his death. They loved this “we are above armies, borders, and that gruesome stuff. We ca
mircea_popescu: re about righteousness and love, about what is right for all humanity”. This in 300 BC. Do you see now why the First Emperor burnt their books and buried the scholars alive after he unified the Empire?"
mircea_popescu: (and yes the book burning was correct in spirit, if not particularly productive in implementation. the faux "humanism" nonsense is infamant.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and check out the comments - he has his very own viragh all spinning.
deedbot: spandrell voiced for 30 minutes.
spandrell: i was just listening to a podcast on venice while driving
spandrell: contrasted the utmost serenity of venice with the complete fucked up madness of genoa
mircea_popescu: but serenity is here used in the metaphorical, political sense of medieval europe
spandrell: what is this place about? here i was thinking it was a bitcoin forum or something
mircea_popescu: the most serene republic is the most serene because it is the sovereign of all fiat governments, not because it's quiet.
mircea_popescu: well, it's a loose assemblage of terrorists dedicated to destroying the very possibility of what you'd call "a state" and salting the earth where it stood
spandrell: i'm running a loose assemblage of my own, fwiw
spandrell: somebody claimed to have met me in meatspace
mircea_popescu: ^ it's all integrated, you know. the someone was asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: hm. because you never met anyone ? or because you know who he is irl ?
spandrell: i've only met two people ever from this kind of place
spandrell: and i'm pretty sure he's not one of them
spandrell: it's hard to meet people, living in japan and all
mircea_popescu: i thought that's where people go to meet all the hot japanese chicks!
spandrell: well if this asciilifeform is a hot japanese chick then I might have met her
mircea_popescu: anyway, asciilifeform is this fellow by the name Stanislav Datskovskiy.
mircea_popescu: lemme fish his good looking chicklooks hmm where was it
spandrell: i can confirm then, never met the guy
spandrell: it would be an honor though, do tell me any time you come to the east
mircea_popescu: oh also, reading this article makes me want to round my knowledge of medieval chinese literature (which consists of golden lotus, vase and spring plumlet) with this other thing. know of any decent edition of said "water margin" in any european language i could get online ?
mircea_popescu: i'm genuinely curious whether it'll read offensive or you're just a pansy.
spandrell: i think i said it there that i read parts of the original
spandrell: then realized i could just watch the show
spandrell: maybe there's something on libgen?
mircea_popescu: yeah i'll have it fished out ; just thought maybe you know something. worth asking.
spandrell: sorry, chinese classics are all on wikisource
spandrell: i probably should check out some english translations if i want get the book written
spandrell: there might be a version of the tv show with english subtitles
spandrell: perhaps the old version, there's two
mircea_popescu: why would i want to read a tv show script, good lord. even the people paid to do it don't.
spandrell: just a lazy connaiseur of good IT practice
mircea_popescu: so the way this channel works is that you register your pgp signature with the bot ; and then you can maintain an identity. otherwise anyone can "be" spandrell
mircea_popescu: the bot allows you to self-voice, if you have the WoT presence, which you likely will because i'd rate you.
mircea_popescu: there's a huge pile of interlocking wonders that make up la serenissima, i'll be more than happy to explain them in detail as time goes by.
spandrell: i actually started to study japanese because i found a bitch on IRC who taught me
mircea_popescu: yeah, prior to bitcoin that was the case with me exactly.
spandrell: and people say the internet is bad for you
mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform the 1300s chinese novel even has the "bitcoin corrupts" doctrine. "obviously he was a bro, and all bros of the world should join the rebel army".
mircea_popescu: spandrell for the record, it's not at all an islamic argument. why would anyone but an idiot hang out with the idiots ? who ever goes willingly to an accountant party ? etc.
spandrell: am i only able to read you, mircea_popescu, or are you the only one talking right now?
spandrell: i wasnt really that serious but i do understand i struck a nerve
spandrell: i obviously understand why nobody with a 90+ IQ would hang out with arabs
mircea_popescu: i had some pretty clever friends that part of the world.
spandrell: well there's always the right edge of the bell curve
spandrell: i wouldn't know, i generally avoid them when i'm home
mircea_popescu: the debates as to genetic basis for intelligence have raged for a while in the logs. it's not really settled i guess, but there's certainly no merit for NATIONAL concepts of intelligence hm ?
spandrell: they also have this bro culture to them which i dislike too, as i wrote int he water margin post
mircea_popescu: but you never explained any mechanics of the dislike, merely stated it.
spandrell: imagine yourself in the position of qin ming
spandrell: or lu junyi, who gets fucked in a similar way
spandrell: you're doing your thing as a military officer
spandrell: doing the honorable patrician kinda thing
spandrell: then a bunch of single young dudes
mircea_popescu: i don't do that, nor would i. but i suppose i'm to leave this aside ?
spandrell: some inconsequential country in europe
spandrell: he was pissed about snowden and stuff
spandrell: see, he's a good example of a qin ming kind of guy
mircea_popescu: so ridiculous, "i'm a colonel at nsa" "nice, i'm a regatta rear admiral!"
spandrell: who doesnt like the govt but works for them and tries to be honorable
trinque: what is this, give unto caesar?
spandrell: plenty of people go through the motions
spandrell: life's complicated, sometimes you dont have a choice
mircea_popescu: well, especially all the sometimes you've decided not to have a choice.
spandrell: i try to please my wife with money and not faith
mircea_popescu: you just object to the notion some people might not give a shit what women think ?
spandrell: but not everybody can, for whatever reason
mircea_popescu: well i find this claim unsubstantiated so far, but anyway.
deedbot: spandrell voiced for 30 minutes.
spandrell: sometimes your wife has social commitments which you can't control
spandrell: sometimes you dont have fuck you money
mircea_popescu: i guess she's getting out one way or another. but then again this'd be why i own my women as opposed to marrying them.
mircea_popescu: ah, poverty. sure. si quis, inquis, dives est, tum cenare potest cum cupit. si pauper...
☟︎ spandrell: well back to the water margin and bro culture
spandrell: my issue with the stuff is that the hero-dudes are all about fight and drink and competing to fuck unrealistic fighting women
mircea_popescu: it's an option though. i could, if i were so inclined. i'm not, but that's a societal failure.
mircea_popescu: if children had actual marginal utility i would have children. by the dozen.
spandrell: but their particular lifestyle means that for them children have no marginal utility either
mircea_popescu: ah, and THEY don't have any children. yeah i can see that argument in that context.
spandrell: they're into drinking parties and constant warfare
spandrell: they are useful for being cute and cuddly
mircea_popescu: aite. i'ma need some time to get to that, seeing how i'm not going too fast through this one cuz we keep talking midway :D
spandrell: which is why people tend to have 1 or 2, as beyond that they start being less cute and more annoying
spandrell: nobody has 3 cats except crazy catladies
mircea_popescu: now, ironically, i ~could~ make useful children. but i require items (such as an undisputed right to kill them) that i could also make, but can't be arsed to.
mircea_popescu: moreover, post-world effect. i'm much better off picking up select 19yo children from otherr people than making them de novo.
mircea_popescu: much like after-the-end people go around looting the walmart, not stocking the shelves.
deedbot: spandrell_ voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: of course by now we don't know whether this isn't an impostor :)
spandrell_: if somebody actually bothers to supplant me i'll feel very flattered
mircea_popescu: i don't think you've experienced paranoia of quite this strength and vintage in all your born days.
spandrell_: anyway, i didnt come here to convince you to marry and have children
spandrell_: i take it you guys liked my chinese stories
mircea_popescu: what exactly are you trying to get writing it though ? money ?
mircea_popescu: you'll get what, 30 to 50 cents a copy. most of what you see will be the advance, which is what by now, a grand ?
mircea_popescu: this is basically the etsy plan. you know what the etsy chick is ?
mircea_popescu: the etsy chick is this imbecile female that instead of getting raped and loving it, listened to her stupid mother,
mircea_popescu: finished with a useless degree, and is now trying to ... sell things on etsy.
spandrell_: if i spend, say, 100 hours writing a book
spandrell_: that's 5,000 bucks which is nice but nothing special
mircea_popescu: a) sub hour per page is hardly a book is it ; b) minimum wage is still minimum wage ; c) you've ever sold 1000 anything before ?
trinque recalls a chick in portland that had an etsy shop for cat bowties
mircea_popescu: trinque major in chinese acrobacy and irish clowning, 100k debt ?
spandrell_: well my blog has a decent readership, i don't think 1,000 is farfetched
mircea_popescu: spandrell_ you notice how this isn't actually related to what i say ?
spandrell_: that a page of a book should take more than an hour?
spandrell_: well if i can't get 5 pages per hour i'm not bothering with the damn book
mircea_popescu: but think about it! what sad sort of bro culture is this where you put as much work into the book as a reader into the reading!
spandrell_: didn't take me more time to write all those storeis
mod6: <+trinque> I laughed in her face << lol
mircea_popescu: well... if you're awesome like that i guess 5k shouldn't be too hard.
spandrell_: 5k are nice, but it's not like i can write a book every month
mircea_popescu: course you might consider shitting it directly. rather than going through this complex process with pdfs.
spandrell_: i mean i could, but i'd run out of funny stories pretty fast
mircea_popescu: so, too lazy to stick with law ; had "high traffic" website, which he parlayed into a coupla books which i suppose sold a coupla thousand copies, or w/e enough to pay rent for a coupla years. and then...
mircea_popescu: he was rescue-married like a little bitch and there he goes, raising some woman's children, and no doubt pleasing her.
spandrell_: publishes an article on a local newspaper
spandrell_: saying he discovered the secret of the great men of history
trinque: one secret trick they don't want you to know, eh?
spandrell_: how all the dynasty founders and all the great heroes we adore came to be so great
mircea_popescu: spandrell_ looky : the publishing thing works (marginally) if you get book deals. from macmillan or whoever the fuck still does it. they pay you a few thousand, kinda measly, and maybe royalties but not really.
spandrell_: then he says, two words: thick and black
spandrell_: which translates to shameless and evil
spandrell_: you gotta be shameless and evil, then you can achieve great things
mircea_popescu: eh, the english notion of "evil" by now roughly maps to "not entirely boring".
spandrell_: and indeed the book started a fever of books on how being shameless and evil helps you with chicks too
spandrell_: i can't get book deals because i dont write under my real name
spandrell_: my blog would get me in jail in my home country
mircea_popescu: i find it hard to believe anyone gives a shit, but anyway.
spandrell_: nobody does unless you get into cathedral circles
spandrell_: you can shit on feminism at home or at the bar with your buddies
mircea_popescu: depends how much money you have, i guess. but yes, publishing for a living is, definitionally, being a bureaucracy hanger-on.
spandrell_: but you cant write a book saying that arabs are dumb
spandrell_: my thing! i'm the guy saying islam might be a good idea
mircea_popescu: i've heard the same said of, in no particular order, women, computers, day old chicks, dogs, hungarians, germans, actually i tire of the list, it's universal.
spandrell_: so you mean arabs are not dumb and hostile
mircea_popescu: these aren't jews right ? arab's one thing ; islam's another. do you mean muslims ?
mircea_popescu: in my head it sits on the same shelf with "the country of africa"
mircea_popescu: i guess i am hostile enough, so maybe not a good example.
mircea_popescu: spandrell_ you think english is a better culture language than arabic ?!
mircea_popescu: anywya, i didn't study any, picked off hos, like any other language.
mircea_popescu: what exactly is your exposure to this "arab" thing, because i'm starting to suspect maybe it's all livresque.
mircea_popescu: ok ok but i mean... there's whores in cairo ; more than in berlin for sure.
mircea_popescu: ah, well... distress immigration is never a good measure, my good man.
mircea_popescu: you have any idea how "the irish" looked from staten island cca 1900 ?
spandrell_: i didnt have the confidence to go seek a hooker in casablanca, honestly
spandrell_: it was hard enough to avoid getting scammed when asking for tea
mircea_popescu: i bet you that if your car broke down and you had to use someone's phone, you'd rather do it in isfahan than chicago.
spandrell_: probably like peasant migrants look to native Shanghai urbanites
deedbot: spandrell_ voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: the secret story of iran being that a large not-really-arab community is being oppressed by a buncha arabs.
mircea_popescu: there's some subtext there, talk to locals sometime they miught explain it.
mircea_popescu: it's not really common in egypt, they usually wear that misr style hair cover thing, like jesus' mother.
spandrell_: i mean to each his own, i really have nothing against that
spandrell_: but i find them dumb and boring in general
spandrell_: whether they are genetically dumb I guess is disputable, and I have no special evidence
spandrell_: normal people in europe would talk about soccer
spandrell_: a lame book they might have read while on the commute
spandrell_: the equivalent white guy would've not talked about soccer
spandrell_: gentlemen, you are really making my point
spandrell_: and again i also wrote recently about asians in the west
spandrell_: that they're gonna get fucked one way or the other
spandrell_: so you're saying here that arabs are cool, probably not even dumb
spandrell_: you're also saying that having children makes no sense because you cant own them or own your own wives
mircea_popescu: spandrell_> whites prefer arabs to chinese << this is very true. chinese womenz aren't hawt. what can i do.
spandrell_: chinese women are easier than arab women
spandrell_: at least chinese men wont try to kill you
spandrell_: they'd like to but they're chickens like that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform please please like what i like omaygerd.
spandrell_: got a coworker who had a kid too and stayed
spandrell_: but japan is completely awesome and i didnt see the point
spandrell_: anyway, russian reaction might be awesome
spandrell_: but russia sucks, which detracts from its credibility
spandrell_: got a ukrainian pal which is fond of sending me pictures of the russian countryside
mircea_popescu: so, dickless beta whiteboy figures "islam" is "all about making all men equal", so he'll get a wife from allah.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile irl, islam is about him dieing with a fucking explosive towel wrapped around his head, as a 37 yo virgin.
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, i met aplenty in the arab lands. and they ~match spandrell_ 's ideas of "arab"
mircea_popescu: except they're arabs in exactly the sense reddit's populated by computer experts.
spandrell_: i dont even know what electric submersion means
spandrell_: and once it's done you get a girl voice saying "sir your bath is ready"
spandrell_: it has a mike too so you can call your wife from the bathtub to ask for a beer
deedbot: spandrell_ voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: what's the rent on a place with the bathtub robot
deedbot: spandrell voiced for 30 minutes.
spandrell: if russia were rich i'd be living there myself; who the hell wants to stand progressive bullshit if we could avoid it
spandrell: prices are pretty cheap these days
spandrell: well in tokyo it can go for 1200-2000
spandrell: most people in tokyo live in 2 story houses in the suburbs
☟︎ spandrell: washing machine is of course universal
spandrell: no way it costs more than 2000 unless you're in an absurdly fancy place
spandrell: how much is the equivalent moscow wage?
spandrell: an average salary for a 35 year old man in tokyo would be USD50k year
spandrell: i mean you're trying to argue that life in russia is good
spandrell: russians emigrate, some even to japan
spandrell: japanese dont emigrate, most certainly not to russia
☟︎ spandrell: i'm the linguist, you dont play semantics with me
spandrell: chinese dun wanna live with niggers too
spandrell: but they put up with it in order to beat the crap out of china
spandrell: hope you buy my book if I write it
Framedragger: maybe you can run cellular automata on that thing, with those useless APIs
Framedragger: but look it's secure because when it's deriving new secret keys from another secret key it has this majestic security constraint: "If the original key used in this process is sensitive, then the derived key must also be sensitive for the derivation to succeed."
vc: Framedragger: foarte bine :^^)
Framedragger: cool vc, and i hope your rolling-out of hosting boxes is going most cocksuredly well!
vc: it's going terribly but hopefully things should be ironed out soon and the service will launch
☟︎ vc: none of it has been my fault, delays at my parent host
Framedragger: (re. pkcs#11, because e.g. that substring-attack is only meant to be against symmetric keys stored in that shitformat, but since e.g. ECDSA keypair's secret logarithm "is just stored as 32-byte scalar value [it's not meant to be stored that way there, but is, because reasons], [...] extract-key-from-key can be used to successively reveal chunks of that scalar value.")
☟︎ vc: when you're paying 2 grand fast and quality should not be mutually exclusive
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 16:42 asciilifeform: i've never actually met an adult who had the experience and wasn't a traumatic wreck.
mod6: damnit, tbot is taken
☟︎ mod6: guess i should have figured...
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 18:46 spandrell: why i dislike bros?
pete_dushenski: j. trudeau as media darling has been well established since before i was born
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 03:46 danielpbarron: pete_dushenski, done.
trinque: and now I learn that the custom search api doesn't do site:
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: colour me impressed at the depth of your twatter pull
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 21:52 mod6: damnit, tbot is taken
pete_dushenski: trinque: leave it to me to show you how badly your beautiful toys are broken
pete_dushenski: speaking of which, anyone ever tried to send full 'account balance' from trb node when it was clearly a bullshit number ?
shinohai: Implying I have a Bitcoin balance.
pete_dushenski: obviously, it doesn't create a proper tx, but trb doesn't know this and so effectively locks the coins from being spent.
pete_dushenski: all because it thinks it's waiting for confirmations that will never come
pete_dushenski: fucken braindamaged already, though i can't speak to whether heathen client operates in same way
pete_dushenski: blockcypher is only tracker to recognise broken tx, but shows only 'empty script type' inputs and
shinohai: Haven't personally ever seen this, though I only load up enough coins from another wallet sweep to complete tx
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 16:42 mircea_popescu: so electricity is like, <4 cent / kwh commercial in alberta ? who the hell knew, that's pretty good mining pricing neh ?
pete_dushenski: let's dump a bit of ol' jack baruth in the logs, just ftr :
pete_dushenski: Now it’s China’s turn to attempt to prove that their centrally-managed currency can do it. They’re going to fail because nobody trusts China and nobody ever will. The business community knows that the Wall Street game is rigged but it’s rigged in a way that they trust. Nor will Bitcoin ever be more than a plaything for people on the fringes of the financial world. Pete’s very knowledgeable about
☟︎ pete_dushenski: Bitcoin but just like the goldbugs and the silver hoarders he rarely looks very hard at the way that real people use money in the real world. The average sub-130 IQ person looks at Bitcoin as a technology indistinguishable from magic, assuming that it’s that kind of magic where people periodically compromise the blockchain and steal money. Believe me when I tell you that we will all go back to biting c
☟︎ pete_dushenski: oins and cutting silver dollars into “bits” before we have any significant public adoption of any cryptography-based currency.
pete_dushenski: Neither Pete nor I will live to see a world in which the United States is not a major player in international affairs, if not the major player. Go ahead and bet on that.
pete_dushenski: this, ladies and gents, is the cream of the auto journo crop. it's hard to believe that he's as accomplished a driver and writer as he is while maintaining these aforequoted pretenses. but what can i say, i have a soft spot for the guy.
pete_dushenski: in still other azn insights : "The quality of the highways are actually fantastic - in the old-days before we had proving grounds built in China we used to do high-speed testing on the newly-built highways before they were opened to public, and they were smooth as can be even at 120mph +. I would say the quality of the roads in the South are a little better, and industrial Provinces like Jinan a little po
pete_dushenski: orer because of all the overloaded trucks tearing up the roads. But generally the highways get re-paved at least once-a-year, to both stimulate the construction-based economy here but also to keep the workers employed."
pete_dushenski: can anyone confirm this once-a-year paving schedule ? because fuck me am i getting tired of the washboard frost heaves in this frozen backwater.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: "This evidence includes asserting it's will over Bitfinex, the shambling forum scam the succeeded Mt Gox and Bitstamp as..." << s/it's/its and s/the succeeded/that succeeded
pete_dushenski: speaking of spandrel (but not spandrell), i was just reading about the different types of spandrel glass. turns out there are more than a few ways to hide the slab end, mechanical, and electrical systems using an opaque curtain wall insert. the glass on these opaque sections is usually tempered because they get so hot with waste heat and greenhouse effect that they could crack from thermal shock. also, vo
pete_dushenski: c's can ~stain~ them, which really makes you wonder wtf they're doing to our lungs.
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 570.4400000000001, Best ask: 570.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.55000, Last trade: 570.99, 24 hour volume: 49413.50272649, 24 hour low: 535.65, 24 hour high: 579.9400000000001, 24 hour vwap: None
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: why couldn't you have figured this out before last christmas ? first it's the amazing pogo, then the amazing eizo... AND NOW IT'S NEITHER
pete_dushenski: anyways, i think i have enough monitors for the time being. unlike cars, you can't just park 'em all and grab the keys to the one you're in the mood for that day. a workstation isn't a commute or an errand run
pete_dushenski: pretty sure he has some small consulting biz or other, don't think it was malware related
trinque: nice, portrait and 4 of them is the only way to go
mircea_popescu: looks more like some sort of windows "hacking tool" by the idiotic "try everything n times"
mircea_popescu: anyway, apparently pearl s. buck did an anglo water margin
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 22:07 pete_dushenski: Bitcoin but just like the goldbugs and the silver hoarders he rarely looks very hard at the way that real people use money in the real world. The average sub-130 IQ person looks at Bitcoin as a technology indistinguishable from magic, assuming that it’s that kind of magic where people periodically compromise the blockchain and steal money. Believe me when I tell you that we will all go back to biting c
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is an iq 95 dude with extenders to 110 ?
mircea_popescu: "how long is your penis ?" "drawn it's like even over ten inches"
mircea_popescu: you know looking at this trilema article, it's a pretty epic shot of you asciilifeform ? i hope you use it for cvs.
mircea_popescu: you could be on a fucking rap album. wu tang ain't got nothin' to touch this.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i never quite realised its sheer potential ; not until spandrell guy asked about you.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 20:06 asciilifeform: the upper right hand corner ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 20:12 spandrell: most people in tokyo live in 2 story houses in the suburbs
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 20:13 asciilifeform: 400k buys you a flat in moscow.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 23:06 mircea_popescu: you could be on a fucking rap album. wu tang ain't got nothin' to touch this.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 20:16 spandrell: japanese dont emigrate, most certainly not to russia
mircea_popescu: since when is behaviour the measure of situation, what's next, niggers steal because poor ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 20:47 vc: it's going terribly but hopefully things should be ironed out soon and the service will launch
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 20:47 Framedragger: (re. pkcs#11, because e.g. that substring-attack is only meant to be against symmetric keys stored in that shitformat, but since e.g. ECDSA keypair's secret logarithm "is just stored as 32-byte scalar value [it's not meant to be stored that way there, but is, because reasons], [...] extract-key-from-key can be used to successively reveal chunks of that scalar value.")
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 22:07 pete_dushenski: Now it’s China’s turn to attempt to prove that their centrally-managed currency can do it. They’re going to fail because nobody trusts China and nobody ever will. The business community knows that the Wall Street game is rigged but it’s rigged in a way that they trust. Nor will Bitcoin ever be more than a plaything for people on the fringes of the financial world. Pete’s very knowledgeable about
mircea_popescu: "oh, mommy knows best" "yeah you know what, go fuck your mother."
mircea_popescu: leaving it as an exercise for any attendant alfs to explain difference between locklin and baruth. $indistinguishable_flavours_of_stupid_old_man
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 22:41 asciilifeform: and i dun have to crank out html for indices.
mircea_popescu: that's actually how you distinguish actual people from the plain cuntspawn. and that's why attempted reductionisms a la "bros" don't actually work.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing women can [say|wail] that can possibly change the plain fact that men do what they say an' say what they mean.
mircea_popescu: nor can this ever be "forgotten", it's a thing in itself not a thing by convention.
mircea_popescu: funny that people actually think female behaviours are human behaviours, nowadays.
mircea_popescu: used to be a time when opposite held true. that time was... what, coupla generations ago ?
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean... these damned colonists ? from one idiotic excess to its opposite ?
pete_dushenski: lots of room to move around in der kolonies. gasses expand to fill their containers.
mircea_popescu: yeah but given their inept inability to REFERENCE THINGS and their truly despicable johnsmithism "i invented hot water in 1910", there's no dampening of the process, they'll just bong one way and the other and back again forever.
mircea_popescu: a land of which no culture could ever come. much like a planet too small to retain gases.
pete_dushenski: until they hit mexico to the south or... that's it i guess
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 18:54 mircea_popescu: ah, poverty. sure. si quis, inquis, dives est, tum cenare potest cum cupit. si pauper...
mircea_popescu: yeah pete_dushenski , the whole quote is "diogenes philosophus cuidam interroganti qua hora hominem cenare deceret : Si quis, inquis, dives est, tum cenare potest cum cupit. Si pauper, tum cenare debet cum potest."
mircea_popescu: (diogenes the philosopher asked by someone when people to eat said : if the one you ask about is rich, he can eat when he pleases ; if poor, has to eat when he can.)