mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo can have blockquote for the deedbot bit plox ?
shinohai: Now SF subway hacker is demanding 100 btc ... it was mircea_popescu that did it to pay for ecu.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Nah, it was a constipated goat looking to buy brambles
shinohai: Was checking out stali ... iso seems to have no documentation on what user login is
shinohai: well root and no pass gets you in apparently
BingoBoingo: Why would there be a default other than blank?
BingoBoingo: The point is your will, not Africa's be done, so you configure the everything.
BingoBoingo: needless to say don't install the iso on an internet connected machine to "fix later". Make fresh iso.
shinohai: nah I'd build it from source instead
BingoBoingo: Eh, they haven't discovered everything better about building in one letter.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, the whole eu zone agitprop is ever so impressed at how romania is the only eeuropean country where the euroskeptics/nativists/etc "have yet to make inroads". this much is true. what is also true is that since 2007 (when it joined) romania received 39bn and paid 13bn; the net is over 26bn. this comes to about 1300 euro / capita over almost a decade. minimum wage in romania is ~0.73 eur/hour, or about 1700 eu
mircea_popescu: this may seem pretty steep a price for the eucucks to buy some friends ; but one should consider things in perspective : the much weaker friendliness of the iraquis (50% more people) cost the uscucks at least 30 times as much.
BingoBoingo: I bet they even get more of their wimmin fucked by Romanians too! B+ cuckolding
mircea_popescu: mebbe. tbh the ro chicks are pretty cunthungry, so i'm not sure how the balance comes out.
deedbot: fd_travel voiced for 30 minutes.
fd_travel: (so plans to work on $tmsrstuff pushed back by ~week) :p
fd_travel: i wish.. though chicks are pretty hawt here
fd_travel: i haven't seem much, i'm in this hackaton and we're rushing
fd_travel: well.... asian banks are funding folks to try out stuff with 'open bank project' (standardized APIs between banks for developing apps), they want to make use of that api project
fd_travel: so there are teams trying to develop stuff using those APIs
fd_travel: will tell later if we have anything interesting, it's a total caffeine-infused rush right nao :D
fd_travel: (we have this plan to have a 'roboadviser' show user (we find net worth of user from bank accts, hey it's not a realistic demo) which properties he can buy in $area)
fd_travel: (extrapolate furture prices / recommendations using time series from past historical sales, etc etc)
fd_travel: i dunno. i mean i haven't been to asia before, 'twas an opportunity out of nowhere, why not :)
BingoBoingo: Joshua-I: Stranger need to introduce themselve in channel before private conversations are possible
deedbot: Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: First order of business Joshua-I, Who is your daddy and what does he do?
Joshua-I: Was thinking of an writing an article for qntra just wondering what the process for that is
Joshua-I: Catches helicopters on the fly I suppose
Joshua-I: Concerning #3 if I know an expert who can review said information is everything square?
Joshua-I: Realized the answer as I hit enter
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo rereading that god damn that's a kickass manual.
Joshua-I: People have different notions of that one
BingoBoingo: Well, what do they claim to be an expert on?
mircea_popescu: considering it costs little to submit, do it and see what happens i guess.
mircea_popescu: if it gets rejected and that pisses you off, you can always publish on your own blog.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski incidentally obsequious means pretty much the opposite of what you need it to mean
Joshua-I: I figured I would do exactly such mircea_popescu regardless
Joshua-I: Why do I think of Rome when reading this comic
Joshua-I: When I've pgpd the message where do I send it?
deedbot: Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: You have a limited number of minutes to submit before consideration is put on hold due to sleep
Joshua-I: Don't worry, I'll send it another time; I've been drinkin'
Joshua-I: Just wanted to get the details
jhvh1: 1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
Joshua-I: I do have some nice scotch I will top the night off with
Joshua-I: What's your timezone so I have a feeling?
Joshua-I: Alright back to the party. I'll see you cats later
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey listen, i have this t42 wich works fine EXCEPT if i try to emulate old games. at first i thought whatever, bad emulation package, but no - be it via dosbox, wine, whatever, same behavior : game works fine (sound, etc) but the screen stays black. seems to be some unhapiness somewhere between radeon mobility 7500 and xorg. do i recall you saying something very similar ? did you ever manage to get display sub
☟︎ hanbot: r/python doesn't like your latest mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the momeny they lead with "X is a nyt bestselling author" you know it's going to be pretty far out there.
mircea_popescu: in other news, trilema acceess log for this month is 1.2 gigabytes or about 6mn lines. this web thingee certainly came a long way.
hanbot: ...so they tweeted instructions to "Run Hide Fight"?! wtf is this, an advisory to do anything but jumping jacks?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the lulz of all time is the actual count of books required. dipped as low as 100s at some point cca 2010 when i stopped paying any attention whatsoever.
ben_vulpes: "we've barricaded ourselves in this room and are now all tweeting about it"
mircea_popescu: mats in fairness, ohio state prolly best place to pop a cap in their collective mega-ass.
mats: alf is all about the high score charts
mats: i thought i'd put a damper on the bloodlust
mircea_popescu: anyway, none of you understand how the world works. it isn't that anyone GOT shot. at all. nobody gives a shit what happens. it's that someone COULD HAVE!!!! that's the only fucking point.
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder they even botyher burying the corpses, at all. the only focus of interest is what could fucking happen, and there's not so much a corpse could.
ben_vulpes: mats: that's rich, coming from the local documentarian of besieged arabs
mats: he-hey, those are the OTHER people, you know
BingoBoingo: <hanbot> ...so they tweeted instructions to "Run Hide Fight"?! wtf is this, an advisory to do anything but jumping jacks?! << SOP, like "duck and cover" for nukes/tornados
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wait wait, trump was scamming the electorate ? not shillary & friends ? awww.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's going to be so unfair when the white working class is entirely satisfied with the recent championship pay-per-view outcome
☟︎ mircea_popescu: must suck, to be stuck running around with "no, u" as the only tool in the toolbox.
mircea_popescu: "the bravest thing in the us army is this chair. literally."
a111: Logged on 2016-11-26 16:03 mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone's keeping track, the "kow towing" must've not went all too well, because "the editorial board" of the nyt decided for the you know, "independents", "liberals" and the rest of the us red army that the correct approach is to try and impeach trump through the emoluments clause, sometime in 2018ish.
mats: what is it with white people and obsessing over other peoples dongs
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: h-how is that going to work?
ben_vulpes: what, the chinese are going to grant him a title?
ben_vulpes: let's retroactively impeach obama for accepting the nobel without congress' blessing
mircea_popescu: well, no, they're going to neigh york times best author selling publish some crap.
mircea_popescu: just like everything else "worked", just like how "liberalism" even became a thing. except it never was much more than the vague notions of life&everything of the friends tv show crew.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 06:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey listen, i have this t42 wich works fine EXCEPT if i try to emulate old games. at first i thought whatever, bad emulation package, but no - be it via dosbox, wine, whatever, same behavior : game works fine (sound, etc) but the screen stays black. seems to be some unhapiness somewhere between radeon mobility 7500 and xorg. do i recall you saying something very similar ? did you ever manage to get display sub
mircea_popescu: yeah up to 1998. but the whole exercise was me showing that to young'uns
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 02:37 BingoBoingo: In other overlookeds the suckless people released an iso of their distro, 34 MB iso image
http://sta.li/ mircea_popescu is vaguely looking for a root for a sane os since whenever, last year ?
mircea_popescu: "If you have not guessed it already, this dear and daring beast was a Wyvern. A Wyverary, if we are to be taxonomically accurate, for though his mother was a proper Wyvern, his father was a library. That only sounds strange if both of your parents were precisely the same sort of animal, which hardly ever happens, when you really think about it." << holy shit HOW CAN THEY BE THIS TEDIOUS.
mircea_popescu: for the love of all that is literate, can this fanfic wave of subtards gargling words END ALREADY
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i did that when what's-his-name with the harry potter mary sue complex and delusions of computer science / quantum mechanics knowledge made some writing challenge and i fucked him with his own wrists attached to a telephone pole.
mircea_popescu: permanently disinterested me in entertaining the imbeciles.
mircea_popescu: zombies don't tend to notice what parts they lose on the way.
mircea_popescu: then they pen bizarre tales about how "but how could we lose, mr unsanitary green"
mircea_popescu: anyway, it is somewhat refreshing to see the delusional dorks (self-identified as "liberals" or "progressives" or w/e) simpyl lift wholesale the aggregate production of the neonazis since the 50s, change a few pronouns and bestseller-publish on their oh-so-important notebooks.
mircea_popescu: look at it : "I shall tell you what the lion roared. It roared: you will make a new future in your stupid bowl, and it will say all the things we want it to say and none of the things we do not! The new future will say that everything good in Fairyland is down to us and everything that goes sideways is down to our enemies. It will say that we are the best people, with the best plans, and the best words, and the best rulers in
mircea_popescu: the history of bestnesses. Make it say the old King and Queen are liars and villains but the Marquess is a truth-teller and a champion who has released the world from sorrow forever. Make it say she is the only one who can fix Fairyland and make it great."
mircea_popescu: they literally ran a bunch of sed, /holocaust/global warming/ /jews/racists/ whatever, same exact structure down to the t.
mircea_popescu: these aspirational "intellectuals" are shockingly sterile.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: oh holy shit Xorg.log has no timestamps for the lines. how the fuck is anyone supposed to make sense of this crap.
mircea_popescu: who. who keeps making logfiles with no notion of time ? how is this supposed to work ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: chiefly because i can't conceive of a mapping between the pile of trash and a log file.
mircea_popescu: "how do you use this ?" "first, delete it" "oh i see."
mircea_popescu: for the record, the repugnant pos trashes the box so thoroughly i have to log into tty and stop/start x
mircea_popescu: more and more it becomes evident that whenever something's documented by the open sores folk, it's always for a reason ; and the reason is always ^
mircea_popescu: as much as his pcengine link is. the "how to run geth" level.
mircea_popescu: ie, not documented in the sense of documented ("here's how the fridge works") but documented in the sense of functional usage for illiterates ("here's how the fridge door opens and what happens most times when it does")
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's pretty obvious someone magicnumbered something because i have the distinct impression gfx works fine just offscreen.
mircea_popescu: i wiped the logs, turned the program on, it killed my gfx, i logged into tty2, stopped x, restarted x, this was the only log present.
mircea_popescu: we should probably have a heroes 2 tournament this winter.
mircea_popescu: like we used to do in lieu of highschool, however many people sign up, then they're randomly paired and play small maps, then the winners randomly paired play mediums, then etc.
mircea_popescu: sadly heroes suffers from the same problems of poker, can't play more than 2.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i;m not dedicated enough to getting old games to run on that thinkpad to chase this further. i'll just use a different box.
mircea_popescu: for some reason i had it in my head you had ironed out (or maybe just fought and were defeated ?) blank screen idiocy on thinkpad.
mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure it's due to the "driver" for radeon mobility 7500 being a dubious pos which is pretty much sabotaged deliberately.
mircea_popescu: with the result being much more obfuscation than in the case of nvidia
mircea_popescu: course the fact that radeon had a stellar reputation for being an unworking buggy pos throughout the 90s didn't help
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and yet i never had this inept sort of bs problem on nvidia cards.
mircea_popescu: the exercise of today being a fine point in case - they can't even be used to play games, though they may marginalloy fit it, we'd be all in bed.
mircea_popescu: smartphone, electronic ink, whatever. pointedly NOT actual computer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can't be arsed to spent time on it tbh. either it works out of box or doesn't work at all is the extent of my patience.
mircea_popescu: apparently there exists a german alive today sufficiently boneheaded to imagine anyone is willing to use a german company for any purpose.
mircea_popescu: as much as it sucks to be one of the progresstards in the us, imagine how very much worse all the random ngo-niggers and assorted aspirational retards from the rest of the world have it.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 17:08 mircea_popescu: who. who keeps making logfiles with no notion of time ? how is this supposed to work ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 17:08 asciilifeform: ( and iirc trb still has no times in logz )
mircea_popescu: and the meagre 20 bux they get now and again for sucking my dick
mircea_popescu: which they disavow and so pretend it never happened so it's "free" ie unexplaiend income
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i know you already gave up on the thing, but i use svlogd to hammer poorly-logging proggies into sanity
ben_vulpes: can be configured for log rotation, timestamps in myriad formats, udp packets on certain parse events
mircea_popescu: my point is not that i could or couldn't fix it as much as it is i shouldn't have to. i also don't change diapers for the people i go out to dinner with, notwithstanding i ~could~.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: well i put a redirect in there
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: where do sanely written programs log?
mircea_popescu: apparently a sane semantic model for fucking unix is still a bridge too far.
shinohai: I have just logged timestamps on mine with `|xargs -IX printf "$(date -u)\t%s\n" X `
ben_vulpes: well dump svlogd in the bin of 'pointless abstractions that make life under the tyranny of linux mildly less painful and retarded' then
ben_vulpes has devoured sweets, dons commuter yeti for more rainridin
ben_vulpes: well also polarbeard did some objectionable whole-codebase patching
ben_vulpes: failed to land a patch, was summarily executed by handlers
ben_vulpes: anyways, that episode pointed me in the direction of external log mgmt
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc we had a spec for sane log that went along the lines of separations like discussed
trinque added l2 to wot.deedbot.org index page, looks like happy trollface nao
trinque: seems entirely appropriate
trinque: we finally found the g spot
trinque: graphviz thinks that tooltip is helpful or something, gonna remove it with sed
trinque: they're there if you get the node just so
trinque: but I'm gonna fiddle with sizes of l1 yet
trinque: yeah seems SVG does pretty well in the browser
trinque: pretty close to a genesis V patch by now
trinque: after which folks can throw me their own, and I'll sign if I like them and use.
trinque: yeh, some ancient data in there regarding reference to key
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573807 << they're positively fucking endearing in their unyielding imbecility, "oh, the data acquisition mechanisms / ~scientifically~ conducted polls that told us clinton is a cinch to win also tell us what the X demographic wants and what trump is delivering and WE THEREFORE KNOW he's not doing what we know they want and blablabla.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 16:35 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's going to be so unfair when the white working class is entirely satisfied with the recent championship pay-per-view outcome
mircea_popescu: trinque why would nil reputation nicks be inclued at all ?
trinque likes what data visibility does :)
trinque: I have no strong opinion that they should.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have to consider the history of the republic. first it was a very vague thing in a very large soup that was #bitcoin-otc ; that split up between the libertards and the sane people ; me, mod6 a few others moved on to -assets. then that also split up, between whatever the hell it was, modern-science-democracy-and-consumerism and the current #trilema.
mircea_popescu: trinque i don't think there's anything meaningful there ; should prolly purge all those with a nil reputation string.
mircea_popescu: or you know, offer a separate "all conceivable datapoints", but imo waste of your time and the whole point is that their presence drowns out the actually important people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generally in the holes where men fought, children now play.
trinque: aha, in point of fact I ran graphviz on the whole dataset first. output was hilariously useless
trinque: then a moment of enlightenment came and I decided to proceed unfairly :p
trinque: yeh, moar CSS magic coming
mats: >Jasmin Olbrich, having a quick lunch of French fries at a food truck outside the educational center, said she liked the Middle Eastern looks and complained that German men "drink too much beer, watch way too much soccer and are just so white!"
mircea_popescu: mats pointedly absent, any reference to how small the arab penises are.
mircea_popescu: the avatars of "Safety" - have a bunch of men dork around with guns that are NEVER charged, get them used to using them like doorstops.
mircea_popescu: in other lolz, "Rule #1: Believe the autocrat. He means what he says. Whenever you find yourself thinking, or hear others claiming, that he is exaggerating, that is our innate tendency to reach for a rationalization. This will happen often: humans seem to have evolved to practice denial when confronted publicly with the unacceptable."
mircea_popescu: a) yes, that's the fucking point - and more people who could be taken at their word would be an incredible improvement over "open society" and "modern democracy" ; b) no, not "humans". women. strictly women. the ~FEMALE~ response to "confronted publicly with the unacceptable", which is just a periphrastic mention of public rape, is to... what was that line, "i am a woman, david. do you think i hate children ? must i choose ag
mircea_popescu: gotta admit that disgrace film is an epic distillation of an already pungent collection, coetzee's collected vials of retard phlegm and puss.
mats: >white self loathing intensifies
mircea_popescu: curious what the muslim influx will do to the eurodork "consensus" re smoking.
mircea_popescu: "Rule #4: Be outraged. If you follow Rule #1 and believe what the autocrat-elect is saying, you will not be surprised. But in the face of the impulse to normalize, it is essential to maintain one’s capacity for shock. This will lead people to call you unreasonable and hysterical, and to accuse you of overreacting. It is no fun to be the only hysterical person in the room. Prepare yourself." (from the same "how to survive th
mircea_popescu: e popping of the libertard delusion" thing). apparently, and seriously, who could have predicted this, apparently diverging from consensus reality is only bad when the OTHER guys do it. you know those racist sociopaths who didn't buy the global warming fraud.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a slave isn't a slave to all, just to his master. so it was that clement vii was obsequious to charles v, not henry viii. anyways i can see that the sentence was poorly worded and it's been corrected. so cheers :D
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's perfectly fine when the libertard does it! he's not supposed to follow the herd, and is not a redneck "conspiracy-minded" nutcase etc for being... a conspiracy-minded nutcase.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it's not even that simple, there's that entire wolf episode, rome got sacked also... twas a murky time.
mircea_popescu: tis a risky venture to pick one's example from a period when the consensus was to call all deaths "of poison" just because everyone was trying to appear worldier and therefore jadeder and cynicer than everyone else.
mircea_popescu: anyway, masha gessen. the progre party is in such disarray the actual bona fide assets of the embassy state are stuck doing editorial work.
pete_dushenski: for that we can blame bannon. i didn't ask to research the complicated tudors. just what came up on the docket.
pete_dushenski: no doubt. makes him sound oh so mysterious and erudite. lest we forget BANNON WENT TO HARVARD MKAY
mircea_popescu: he correctly identified the problem with modern "educated" "liberals", which is -
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568343 aka first pass knowledge. whatever they could scrounge up in a quick skim through wikipedia reinforced by a smattering of wqhat was trending on tedtalks.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 14:20 mircea_popescu: also as taleb correctly points out, this example is just a very good example, but not the whole story. what it exemplifies is the ineptitude of a class of people, whom we call jews, and whom we wish to see in camps. these people understand some - enough to be harmful - but not enough, so as to be useful. they are worse than stupid, because of this familiarity with first order but incapacity for higher order reasoning.
mircea_popescu: and so he's quite literally giving commentators enough rope to hang themselves with. the trilema way.
pete_dushenski: man alive was politics in the 1500s convoluted. league of cognac this, renegade troops of charles v that, pope clement vii fliplopping and running away and my oh my oh my..
mircea_popescu: early history, eg ages of settlement are relatively easy to understand, and open to "idea people" ; late history ie collapses of civilisations are not easy to understand, and entirely hermetic to they unblessed with esprit de finesse.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: ya i can see that. i don't find the period entirely hermetic, just unfamiliar as i slowly bridge the gaps in my historical knowledge between the romans and the french revolution. currently working backwards from the end of that period via peter the great's life and times.
☟︎ mats: what was the sticking point with esp8266? i forget.
mircea_popescu: heh. with any $item the possible outcomes of the problem-function would be either "it sucks [reason list]" or "not enough people to use it". i guess the 2nd is how you count success.
mats: i remember now, there was a lack of entropy source
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 19:51 mircea_popescu: early history, eg ages of settlement are relatively easy to understand, and open to "idea people" ; late history ie collapses of civilisations are not easy to understand, and entirely hermetic to they unblessed with esprit de finesse.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 19:57 pete_dushenski: ya i can see that. i don't find the period entirely hermetic, just unfamiliar as i slowly bridge the gaps in my historical knowledge between the romans and the french revolution. currently working backwards from the end of that period via peter the great's life and times.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He can just ask all those Russians at Breitbart to tell him!
hanbot: if anyone is trying to maintain old ubuntu installs, and ran into this bs where synaptic/apt-get no longer works because it can't locate any repos: the nice ubuntu folks broke their directory scheme. edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "us.archive." with "old-releases." and then hit reload. for as long as that lasts.
mats: so what does in-bulk mean to asciilifeform
mats: besides <10,000,001 crates
mats: can i get an integer
mats: ill reach out to some folks
mats: i hope not, i'm still hoping to see a return on my s.nsa shares
mats: since some folks bailed i think i am the third largest holder
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't necessarily mind one for eulora. the problem is that in this, like every other field, the tinydicked western men are entirely infertile. all they want is to copy and reimplement, which is how they ended up doing THE SAME FUCKING GAME 500 times. ever heard of ultima ? how about runescape ? guess what - it's the same fucking thing, down to the t, by which initialism we mean the fucking tutorial. EXACTLY. oh and plane
mircea_popescu: shift ? ayup. the great idea is "what if we took ultima and made it in 3d", that's fucking it. "i want a car just like that car but paint it pink and write my name on the dash".
mircea_popescu: consumerist culture, meaning that unless i fuck tolkien's corpse into action, i'm sol.
mircea_popescu: yes but rubbish in the sense of supermarket rubbish - useless and ubiquitous, with a fury worthy of a better cause.
mircea_popescu: the parallel here is pretty evident - for a century now man's eternal dream to fly was realised. it was realised by great minds in europe, and then taken over by usians. who FUCKED IT. but i mean so utterly, that at the last count cca 2008 it came out the aggregate air travel industry lost more money in its history than it made. period and full stop, consider that.
mircea_popescu: same EXACT thing happened to everyhing else america touched. the damage that brown hole of fetid shit does to things is such, that the aggegate benefits to mankind of say computers, or philosophy, or you name it are actually exceeded by ustardian damage in the short half century since it even became a thing.
mircea_popescu: the notion that someone somewhere thinks in terms of "x is worse than the us" is mindnumbing. fucking hell, the third reich only killed SOME people.
mircea_popescu: there is no historical comparison to just how utterly wrong that thing is.
mircea_popescu: perhaps the byzantine empire and some selected chinese confucianist tards.
mircea_popescu: it is certainly the case that eastern europe / middle east is a shithole now because instead of razing byzantium in 500, they waited till 1500.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the minoans were the size of a cat's piss.
mircea_popescu: hardly. subcultures that embrace comfort do lasting damage to the geography. which is how and why mexico is a shithole now - the aztecs lived there. which is why and how ukraina and the dalmatian coast are shitholes now - byzantines lived nearby.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's MUCH worse than nuclear waste. chernobyl is perfectly fine today ; odessa will possibly never be.
mircea_popescu: should have burned constantine in oil not fucking crown him jesus fuck already.
mircea_popescu: and the fact that the byzantines were nearby is inescapable ; you can build any odessa you want on that tile - it will be a shithole
mircea_popescu: because paleologoi polluted the square - not with nuclear waste, which resolves in a century, but with cultural waste, which doesn't resolve in millenium+
mircea_popescu: the simple existence of an empire of convenience physically alters the geography, so that no one, even people unrelated to the original idiots, can never amount to anything in that physical space.
mircea_popescu: it LOOKS like a mountain, or a hill or a weir, but it is a touched mountain, hill or weir. and if you eat from there - you will be dumb.
mircea_popescu: take the web. there's nothing fundamental about html or the upstream concepts that require it to become a pile of shit. but the simple proximity of aol ENSURE, pointedly necessitate and absolutely guarantee, it WILL be a pile of shit. no matter ANYTHING else.
mircea_popescu: convenience culture, however defined as consumerism, modern democracy, us-liberalism, whatever is the closest approximation in nature of that brain-breaking-image sf concept.
mircea_popescu: you don't even have to look at it. just the fact that the cockroaches exist, somewhere nearby, will fuck up your shit and sour the milk in your fridge.
mircea_popescu: twenty years ago i was appalled at the atrocity of the original most serene republic sacking constantinople. now i am very much remiss they left anyone alive or any one thing standing, should have merv'd the fucking place.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: twenty years ago i was scratching my head uncomprehendingly at the hughuenot massacre. today i'm rather inclined to thing st barhtolomew may be the true and proper republican holiday.
mircea_popescu: and i deeply regret any of the fucking libertards escaped.
mircea_popescu: funny what the wisdom age brings does to one's childish notions.
mircea_popescu: so you don't see how early protestants map to modern jewry ? rly ?
mircea_popescu: they sprang out of the EXACT thing hillary sprang out of : a) individual problems are a collective concern ; b) "we" are all equally dignified and entitled ; c) you name it
mircea_popescu: find me a point of divergence. even fucking global warming was there, in 1572.
mircea_popescu: so model this supposed difference for me, between today's jew and 1500s hughuenot.
mircea_popescu: (note, as historical amusement, that the last time "modern democracy" libertards were massacred was the result of collusion between military and populist leadership - which apparently is so burnished into their collective memory as to make that arrangement the #1 bad.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, seriously, in terms of individuals. how were the libertards of then not the huguenots of now.
mircea_popescu: 10% at the time, yes ? aspirational like exactly the "i am going to ny to be a writer just like carrie bradshaw" jew of today.
mircea_popescu: never you mind what similarities tyou can see. point me a difference.
mircea_popescu: they even had the lulzy "modern science" thing, EXACTLY like the current shitheads. and by exactly i mean literal identity, same words same structures.
mircea_popescu: they're both equally serious - which is to say as serious as they can be which isn't much.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it isn't "of the day". it's the one fungus.
mircea_popescu: other end was very much "trump meets angry iraq war veterans, they decide to mass rape the nytimes & friends."
mircea_popescu: so defined by these two points, we notice that it goes exactly through, not "very close" but EXACTLY THROUGH eg heine's "Nur fürcht ich, wenn ein Gewitter entsteht, zieht leicht so eine Spitze herab auf euer romantisches Haupt des Himmels modernste Blitze!"
mircea_popescu: it's not "similar" fungus. it is precisely and genetically-identical the same fungus.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not proposing any definite thing about the other party. what's so great about you know, making large stores of weapons only to have thieves take them.
mircea_popescu: and contrary to their asstears, the mongols built roads.
mircea_popescu: consider the very strict vlad the impaler - brasov merchants opposition. the "financial elites" proposed the guy's administration will result in you know, economic collapse. didn't.
mircea_popescu: understand : when dorks dork on about "putting abstract principles above the people themselves" in
http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ ; or when random nobody "does not have time to read logs" or "doesn't believe phuctor did so and so" or "doesn't see why should get a pgp key" or "doesn't think bitcoin can work" etc etc, there displayed is the SAME fundamental anti-idealism of the deliberately stupid l
☟︎ mircea_popescu: azy as in heine's hate of the picklehaube, or as in the hughuenot anger at the quaint catholic nonsense.
mircea_popescu: what's bothering them about people who smoke ; and about people who say $random-forbidden-word ; and about people who do not care what their "laws" say ; or about those mean evil "incomprehensible" terorists, what got them all angry about the mob and so on and so forth is the same fundamental self-hatred.
mircea_popescu: it's not simply "how do other people dare not be miserable", but moreover - what if there's a little more to it all ? exactly the luciferic damnation, for that matter ; and exactly the one criticism pre ww2 jews never wanted to take seriously.
mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing idealism is acceptable, or good or the solution or anything. but i am outright saying that the specific sort of anti-idealism here displayed IS, in point of fact is, a mental disease.
mircea_popescu: and mental disease is unchanging. just like you can have dysentery or schizophrenia in 1592 you can have it in 1952. and you do. that's what it is.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Like the Chauchat, responsible for the deaths of many; but in the wrong direction.
mircea_popescu would very much like to hear challenges to the above theory, btw.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 16:42 asciilifeform: i'll be surprised if it 'wines' also.
deedbot: Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:46 mircea_popescu: and mental disease is unchanging. just like you can have dysentery or schizophrenia in 1592 you can have it in 1952. and you do. that's what it is.
Joshua-I: Multiple personality disorder is considered a product of its times as it has mostly disappeared as of late
mircea_popescu: yeah well imaginary diseases are imaginary diseases. see "female hysteria" etc.
shinohai: Though there is still no known cure for redditardedness
mircea_popescu: cures it instantly without sechellae in 100% of cases.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:43 mircea_popescu: understand : when dorks dork on about "putting abstract principles above the people themselves" in
http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ ; or when random nobody "does not have time to read logs" or "doesn't believe phuctor did so and so" or "doesn't see why should get a pgp key" or "doesn't think bitcoin can work" etc etc, there displayed is the SAME fundamental anti-idealism of the deliberately stupid l
Joshua-I: i'd say you only need the first
Joshua-I: like if you read the logs, believed in mathematics (lol), and proof of work. still the first thing would put you at odds
Joshua-I: i.e. "putting abstract principles above the people themselves"
Joshua-I: but the point is this fundamental self hatred isn't necessarily limiting
Joshua-I: it doesn't necessarily imply anything at all ultimately if you will pursue any ends
Joshua-I: like say you recognized the value in science / physical / sociological underpinnings but you were deranged
Joshua-I: and your 'abstract concept' was one of perhaps contradicting axioms
Joshua-I: so the real and the ends are fairly separated out from your internal satisfaction
Joshua-I: I'd be weary of saying how long such a thing can last tho
jhvh1: 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
adlai never understood wtf a "moral inventory" is
trinque didn't understand wtf Joshua-I is trying to say
trinque: buncha loosely associated statements and fluff words
adlai: sounds like the same bs rai dalyo rambles about in his multiple-hundred-page copypasta about "principles" and how life is all about discovering your principles, then he gives as an example of such a "principle" - gravitation
Joshua-I: the brain is capable of loosely associating and therefore opens this possibility up
trinque: Joshua-I: it's rude to meta people you just met !1!11
mircea_popescu: adlai i suspect in us-english parlance of the time, "moral" simply means "abstract". ie, don't count your ballsac.
mircea_popescu: (the division seen in moral philosophy vs material philosophy aka physics)
BingoBoingo: adlai: Instructions begin with the last paragraph on page 63 and continue through the end of the chapter. Chapter 6 "Into Action" begin step 5.
Joshua-I: trinque: I like to keep things interesting
Joshua-I: Open question before I go workout: what kind of basis do you use for 'moral'? Utilitarian? Virtue?
adlai: Joshua-I: i believe the only person who regularly talks about "moral [inventory]" uses the Big Book
mircea_popescu: "What follows are three distinct parts that can be read either independently or as a connected whole." aaand he lost me.
mircea_popescu: same sauce as goes in "a plain reading" of eg constitution.
mats: asciilifeform: is there something wrong with the items on alibaba?
mircea_popescu: anyway, to expound on the whole huguenot issue : a) who expanded the medieval notion of "universitas" to a notion of "popular sovereignity" in the sense of "the people" being a unit, better and different from its constituent parts, and better than the king at hearing god, and to be represented by parliaments ? b) who broke with legist theory of "tyrant = whosoever opposes the monarch" to introduce a transcription of calvin's
mircea_popescu: new ideas of impeachable kings ? c) who did max weber identify as part of a "rationalization" (aka enlightening, or in proper words pedestrian-anti-idealism) of abstractions in europe ?
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573903 << that is one of the best games ever. i have many memories of high school drunken debaucheries, where a small clique would periodically dip out, one by one, to perform their next move in heroes on the family computer
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 17:22 mircea_popescu: and magic proggy is heroes 2 gold via dosbox.
hanbot: mmyeah wrong channel, dun mind me.
mircea_popescu: in proper terms, "it's too expensive to 100% test each individual unit"
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:05 mircea_popescu: hardly. subcultures that embrace comfort do lasting damage to the geography. which is how and why mexico is a shithole now - the aztecs lived there. which is why and how ukraina and the dalmatian coast are shitholes now - byzantines lived nearby.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Leviticus 18:24 :: Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Leviticus 18:25 :: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] 1 Corinthians 6:9 :: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:16 mircea_popescu: twenty years ago i was appalled at the atrocity of the original most serene republic sacking constantinople. now i am very much remiss they left anyone alive or any one thing standing, should have merv'd the fucking place.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] 1 Samuel 15:3 :: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
mircea_popescu: in other news, icann changed "domain lock" for transfers to... 60 days.
phf: no idea, and too lazy to investigate. i found it because apparently valid unicode pistol emoji was changed from realistic looking gun to a water gun
mircea_popescu: oh wait, blonde chicks surf cuz they're from california right ? and black chicks basketball. makes perfect sense. wanna bet the swimmer's a brunette ?
phf: asciilifeform: oh i missed that
phf: i've gotten to a point with logs, where most of my log memories are stored in logs