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danielpbarron: this having a blog thing is pretty sweet; wish I started it sooner! I got a finished article in the hopper, and a stub still to be fleshed out.
danielpbarron: started with the impulse to post something on twatter, pasted it into a draft instead, and expanded from there.
shinohai: I am trying your drink recipe tonight danielpbarron I think I got everything I needed.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> this having a blog thing is pretty sweet; wish I started it sooner! << HA!
shinohai: I was at the liquor store and was like "Hey danielpbarron made a blog post about some drink today, lemme try that!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00055723 = 10.0859 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: Yeah upon further investigation I decided it was a non-event.
adlai: the "double spend" is quite a oui-event, even if it was caused by pessimal interaction with eg sturles's node
shinohai: This shit is fucking delicious danielpbarron
shinohai: I am guaranteed kinky sex tonight when gf gets here and tastes it.
adlai: danielpbarron: congratulations on getting the round tuit!
danielpbarron is now trying his first attempt at a sort-of cantarina (sort-of because apparently it's supposed to have club soda, although I'm not sure if that's a requirement, or if a side-effect of most bars not having fresh grapefruit and use a grapefruit flavored soda instead)
danielpbarron: and to my surprise the quarter orange i decided to go with is not overpowered by the whole grapefruit or the half lime/lemon
danielpbarron: heh, also tonight i learned that you do not want to squeeze a kiwi, but I have not yet ruled out muddling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00055706 = 17.6031 BTC [-] {3}
adlai: fallacy! lack of female pgp speakers does not imply absence of male imbeciles
adlai: fallacies are usable on false axioms, too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00055921 = 2.852 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah, and bullshit textbook on ai that leads nowhere.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "we own him now" "heh" "and this is why we bought usernet archive, too" "get lost" "why won't you think we're cool!" "because you're old, and lame, and smell bad"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25866 @ 0.00055584 = 14.3774 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: this is important. not for the "good of the people", as it is broadly misdirected - but for the continued delusion of the imbeciles in question.
mircea_popescu: by NOT getting t3, norvig thinks EVEN MORE of the imbecile system he's plugged into.
mircea_popescu: because he is, fundamentally, a woman, of that miserable, medieval kind. you gotta beat her.
mircea_popescu: why ~the fuck~ do you suppose the koreans gotta do ever more inane absurd shit ? isn't being a korean bad enough ?
mircea_popescu: which is why they'll get moved to dormitories in due time.
mircea_popescu: this is why they gotta fucking come up with a "cultural war" about sitting in the fucking bus.
mircea_popescu: norvig can, on the basis of his achievements such as they are, live a life his father would have thought good enough for a blue colar laborer.
mircea_popescu: it is an institution. it is when a man is invited to seat at a table, and he explains that "you will have to seat five women, because i am not married - i am haremed."
mircea_popescu: it is when a man ridicules the nuttery of singles marriage, openly, and doesn't entertain it, openly. it's some luxuries no us president ever had.
mircea_popescu: but he DIDNT. he pretended that mudsickle of jackie is an actual woman.
mircea_popescu: did he say, on tv, "bitch you either eat out marylin or ima flay you alive and hang your disgusting carcass by the south gate" ?
mircea_popescu: dude the junk on your blog's unreadable. /me made the mistake to try to wade through comments.
mircea_popescu: i recall trying this once before, yars ago, and not being quite as oripilated.
mircea_popescu: pff, check it out, english spells it with h ? horripilated ? tsk.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26840 @ 0.00055642 = 14.9343 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00055543 = 11.4974 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26066 @ 0.00055461 = 14.4565 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5059 @ 0.00055484 = 2.8069 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16174 @ 0.00055567 = 8.9874 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00055484 = 1.5813 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00055567 = 7.0292 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00055484 = 13.9265 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00055443 = 15.8567 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00055421 = 13.4673 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00055566 = 1.3614 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9616 @ 0.00055421 = 5.3293 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00055421 = 5.6529 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00055567 = 15.2254 BTC [+]
jurov: asciilifeform: nice. maybe put the gpg horrors on qntra or loperos?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00055488 = 4.3836 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00055488 = 10.4872 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the rumour goes countess diana_coman bathory bathes in virgins' blood to maintain her youth etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15592 @ 0.00055492 = 8.6523 BTC [+] {3}
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo I couldn't come up with a lulzy enough filler for that story so gonna pass it on to whoever wants it.
mircea_popescu: shinohai plox to offer short intro for redditard/other tard links. i ended up looking at that only to see that, typical for the mob, it's not any sort of bounty, but a conditional offer predicated on the impossible.
mircea_popescu: "I am offering a 14 Bitcoin Bounty leading to the arrest, conviction, AND return of my 28 Bitcoins that were stolen from me." << fancy that idiocy.
shinohai: Sounds like one of Roger Ver's "Bounties"
mircea_popescu: "i think i'm mp to offer bounties. what, i should have money ?"
mircea_popescu: then the same fucking idiots come by to "comment" on shit i do. as if we're all people now or something, in the same sense.
shinohai: I'll be damned if I help someone that stores 28 Bitcoin in an online wallet
shinohai: Even if I had a magical way to recover said BTC
punkman: if anyone's selling 100eur notes for 50eur, I'll buy all of them
punkman: maybe I should post a reddit bounty
shinohai: But this guy wants his Bitcoins arrested and convicted the way the sentence reads.
mircea_popescu: i'm offering 14 btc for the arrest and conviction of this particular redditard by isis
mircea_popescu: fuck them, fiat states, who cares. "legal process" or w/e.
mircea_popescu: obama joining from obama@whitehouse.org is in no better position than random derp joining from anon@isis.ir
mircea_popescu: just like should we look for places to poison mice, we'll go by the holes ; but should we look for a hero mice to reward with a wheel of cheese - we won't notice the holes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00055488 = 11.1531 BTC [-]
jurov: "Bitcoin Classic is ready and being run in production today by a number of bitcoin companies. Bitcoin Core has produced no such option that is production ready, and seems committed to putting out sub-optimal solutions that I described above."
mircea_popescu: jurov feel free to fuzz, crashing it every which way will make a somewhat lulzy qntra piece
mircea_popescu: rather low hanging fruit, that sort of inept claim. classic is about as production ready as windows 7.
mircea_popescu: eh they have nfi what they're doing. classic is essentially a social media campaign.
mircea_popescu: totally ready for "running in production" by other idea guys.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13490 @ 0.00055567 = 7.496 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 394.26, Best ask: 394.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 394.25, 24 hour volume: 38813.97070032, 24 hour low: 391.5, 24 hour high: 421.7, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00055567 = 11.1134 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: bitcoin as it currently stands is a very iffy proposition. it ~absolutely~ requires the bricking of current miners to have a chance, and major protocol rewrites.
mircea_popescu: oh herp derp we are miners and making conferences ? fucking death warrant you've signed there boys.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5993 @ 0.00055486 = 3.3253 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16927 @ 0.00055404 = 9.3782 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: except i couldn't care less about the derps. what, you think they're people or something ?
mircea_popescu: well, if they had been following power they'd be sending their irs receipts to me rather than obama.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3637 @ 0.00055377 = 2.0141 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mno, they don't watch anything, just keep humming this tune in their head. which is perfectly fine and utterly uninteresting.
mircea_popescu: some idiot somewhere last year looked at whatever the fuck they look at and came to the conclusion that "we'll win this one apple - style, vc and software plox!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by the looks of it, roughly around july there will be an open competition of ~myriad forks on the market.
mircea_popescu: ideally trb will at that time be ready to propose one of its own.
mircea_popescu: 2nd one. not exactly news, this, is it ? was on the books for 3 years.
mircea_popescu: i even got the timing almost right. half month precision over 3 years in bitcoin is pretty impressive.
mircea_popescu: it is just about absolutely clear for me that bitcoin, just like any other technology to date, brings about absolutely no betterment for the common man.
mircea_popescu: strictly because the common man is an unrepentant imbecile proud of his imbecility, but that's a secondary consideration.
mircea_popescu: in what sense is it worth anyone's time to do anything ?
mircea_popescu: i thought you didn't have any, didn't care to have any and didn't etc ?
jurov: lol yea, day job almost happened last year
mircea_popescu: anyway, no fiddy cents. coupla hundy should be enough. miners can't actually support their shit even at current prices, if it halves.
mircea_popescu: and honestly, what the everloving fuck do i care. bitcoin with mining cartel is literally, and i do mean LITERALLY just a very slow, unreliable and expensive visa run by idiots.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> jurov feel free to fuzz, crashing it every which way will make a somewhat lulzy qntra piece << Jurov takes are always welcome
BingoBoingo also doesn't recall seeing a mats piece yet
mircea_popescu: technically the value pumped into the old btc all comes from hitler anyway. what, ustard has money now ?
mircea_popescu: the intellectual value of the work trying to get it to work goes to that great place in the sky where everyone's work ever goes, gauss, newton, who have you.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i suppose IF the july many-fork time comes and trb has nothing to offer then it might as well close.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 14:51:11; mircea_popescu: ^ for the record, i've been divesting, if slowly.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 15:13:36; mircea_popescu: the intellectual value of the work trying to get it to work goes to that great place in the sky where everyone's work ever goes, gauss, newton, who have you.
mircea_popescu: well, not like it HAS to close. it can also continue doing what it did for the ~first half year of its existence, which is to say critique whatever prb
mircea_popescu: that was not yet called either prb or core or anything, because before we came and crackd the nut, inanities avbout how "only one bitcoin software" still had currency amongthe ruminant herd.
BingoBoingo: Outlasting? Isn't that the point of every cult?
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu> in what sense is it worth anyone's time to do anything ?
mircea_popescu: outlasting is, as far as one can discern, the implicit goal of life on earth.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to the more general point : all our understanding as to how bitcoin should work, see for instance yest discussion, comes from dissecting how prototype-bitcoin did in fact work.
mircea_popescu: as much as we'd love to suck our own cocks, while we readily agree TODAY that "should be so and so", we'd have had no such agreement a decade ago.
mircea_popescu: no work done on satoshi codebase has yet been wasted, except that done for other people than us, or outside of b-a.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what you're missing, perhaps on account of age, is that... well... i recall hanging out with kakobrekla back when bitcoin was 2 dollars.
mircea_popescu: actually - much fewer idiots then, of the purely idiotarian type. of course all sorts of actual idiots seemed quite reasonable, pleasant folk, but what can you do.
mircea_popescu: kinda what i was going to say next, "don't worry too much, things have a way of sorting themselves out"
mircea_popescu: lol yeeeeah, that worked really well with the embargo and all lol. anyway.
mircea_popescu: rajit imberdejit, a 2nd vice-governor of uttar pradesh
mircea_popescu: us dept of state can do ~ nothing, but direct the dod to lose some more items .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe you are stuck between a rock and a need for vacation?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14346 @ 0.00055734 = 7.9956 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: I mean the vacation that lets you afford other vacations. You know the one where you sit in a cabin to make trb fork. Not full adacoin, but the possibility of adacoin.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell shinohai Fine. I'll show you how to juice that headline with a story in under 100 words, just to intoduce a target.
mircea_popescu: deedbot-> [Qntra] Correction Takes Bitcoin Network Difficulty Down 3.1% <<< curious if the drops till july will add up to 50% or not.
BingoBoingo: In other news looks like OpenBSD Vax is ending at 5.9 as Vax hardware reaches end of operating afterlife.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 16:19:23; BingoBoingo: In other news looks like OpenBSD Vax is ending at 5.9 as Vax hardware reaches end of operating afterlife.
BingoBoingo: I'll dig up the archive of the theo mail but he sent it today if anyone else wants to dig first
BingoBoingo: ^ shinohai see above, maybe get a blog to practice the writing thing on not-news so that you may better news.
BingoBoingo: outcome doesn't matter, but conversation in the media is everything
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, does retard-argentina have more retards than retard-buttcoin ?
BingoBoingo: I'm honestly pleased that the spanish used it so simple as to be easily and painlessly read without translating thinking
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: i'm half tempted to temporarily lower my iq with drugs just to understand "them" better...
thestringpuller: i guess this is where the phrase, "Can I get what you're somking" comes from
thestringpuller: sounds like a temporary solutions with long term health side effects
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Didn't SU have it's own philipino style satellite?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You know. One it converts to speaking ru while leaving to maintain it's tribal intellectual poverty. Maybe the Aleuts or something? Or did RU/SU not do this?
BingoBoingo: Or peril of naming yourself almost a dictionary word
danielpbarron: very strange, I can ping it on my local network, but can't ssh to it
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: are you sure you have enough RAM on pogo to serve wordpress?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: You may have to flense your wordpress further or consider an alternate blogotron based off of werc (Which I have been thinking about but have lacked the chance to explore myself yet)
danielpbarron: well why has it been working up till now? did so many try to load that at once?
BingoBoingo: It's likely on 256 MB of RAM that that would have knocked down your www tron
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Anyways the first place to look at flensing wordpress is your theme.
BingoBoingo: Reduce the number of php calls it needs to do to look the way it does
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mircea_popescu: " where ru built everything that distinguishes it from zimbabwe?"
mircea_popescu: and 100% of what sets the piony - quite temporarily - above the monekys in the zoo is of anglo design and manufacture
mircea_popescu: eh, get out of here. the last enslaving went the other way, back in stalin's day.
mircea_popescu: nobody asked ukrs if they wanted to fight "the facscist invader" etc.
mircea_popescu: kinda ironic how hitler never realised poland/ukraina/etc actually liked him a lot more than saxony.
mircea_popescu: that tilt is not even what anglo sources usually like to pretend.
mircea_popescu: by and large, quite happy with hitler. at least he's not english. then degaulle came up with a piously fraudulent reinterpretation of the early 40s
mircea_popescu: quite. asshole not designed or intended to hold pressure in that way.
mircea_popescu: how would you distinguish "peritoneal burst" from this ?
mircea_popescu: you recall the story of that weioghlifter who butt-exploded shattering shit and blood all over ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google "i remember pushing extra hard" weightlifter anal
mircea_popescu: hm. i recall the exact quote. derp was "and then i felt like i was pushing extra hard..."
danielpbarron: my wwwtron seems to have recovered on its own.. working for now if you want to try
mircea_popescu: i myself am persuaded that's a very accurate model of how "force air in oral cavity" would work.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo? << was a thing, don't recall exact link or quote
mircea_popescu: there's also the case of the retarded romanian workers who stuck a compressed air outlet in the woman's vagina for lulz, ended up with a fatality.
☟︎ punkman: the split uniform looks suspicious, could also be some goatse dude instead of weightlifter
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> my wwwtron seems to have recovered on its own.. working for now if you want to try << take this opportunity to flense. It's seriously 90%+ of making wordpress www worthy
punkman: fuck wordpress, use one of those static site generators
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how distribute coins without mining?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 18:48:33; mircea_popescu: there's also the case of the retarded romanian workers who stuck a compressed air outlet in the woman's vagina for lulz, ended up with a fatality.
BingoBoingo did suggest werc + plugin universe, but I have yet to explore that much myself
punkman: nice, ETH = 0.02943110 BTC
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00055544 = 6.943 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: does monero solve the miner-can-block-my-tx with its ring signatures? (ping fluffypony)
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2014 17:00:58; asciilifeform: re: 'monero': 'Egalitarian proof of work' << do we need to read past this line ?
punkman: I think wot+credit-lines solutions are interesting, sorta like the original ripple before the derps bought the name
☟︎ fluffypony: punkman: miners can block whatever they want
fluffypony: but as to whether they can tell if a transaction is yours, yes, that's something we solve
fluffypony: asciilifeform: by removing the ability for miners to identify your transaction without, say, compromising your machine
fluffypony: the MRL1, MRL4, and MRL5 papers are most relevant to the more enhancements we've made or are making
fluffypony: stealth addresses provide unlinkability, ring signatures provide untraceability
☟︎☟︎ fluffypony: definitions of both of those terms are in the whitepaper
fluffypony: RingCT obscures transaction amounts, that's in MRL5
fluffypony: you have multiple options, the easiest of which is reveal the private key for that transaction
fluffypony: all it does is allow a recreation of the key images for that transaction in order to verify that you actually created it
fluffypony: unless you're in the habit of publicly revealing this information for all your transactions it does nothing
fluffypony: (by nothing I mean its effects are cryptographically negligible)
fluffypony: so then you understand that the ring signatures are only on inputs
fluffypony: so if an input appears to come from 20 outputs on the blockchain there is an equiprobable chance that each of those 20 outputs is the real one
fluffypony: if you reveal it then you reveal which of the outputs was really yours
fluffypony: yes - so in any future transaction if you happen to use the same output in a ring then one of those is out
fluffypony: but you can blacklist those outputs in your personal capacity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00055365 = 12.9554 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: consider what the chance is of you mixing with an output you've already revealed to an attacker
fluffypony: there's absolutely nothing fancy about this
fluffypony: so there's a bucket of tens of thousands of outputs, and you routinely reveal outputs, so there's a 100% chance you're going to mix with a previously revealed output?
fluffypony: so in this one special case you have to maybe blacklist outputs and not mix with them
☟︎ fluffypony: for everyone else your special case doesn't apply
fluffypony: so your argument adds an astonishingly nonsensical case that presents dubious privacy risks
☟︎ fluffypony: ah yes, the asciilifeform "everything is bad except this hardware thing I've been working on for 4 years and still can't finish" argument
fluffypony: I'm not kicking anything, I just find it amusing
fluffypony: equal parts interesting and frustrating
fluffypony: mircea_popescu came up a couple of times
fluffypony: mostly in the context of "we should have invited him to add a voice to this, but I doubt he'd come to the USA"
☟︎ danielpbarron: oh it was in the US? where? I thought it was on some island somewhere
fluffypony: this one was in Sandpiper Bay in Florida
fluffypony: I don't think there was a question of whether or not he would come
fluffypony: but a question of whether or not he was invited
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 18:50:00; asciilifeform: not blood loss
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 18:53:43; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: quite possibly cutting mining apart from transacting was a design error.
mircea_popescu: large part of the promise and value of bitcoin is exactly this chickenizing of banking.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 19:04:44; punkman: I think wot+credit-lines solutions are interesting, sorta like the original ripple before the derps bought the name
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 19:23:55; asciilifeform: and even if it were so, it does not help bitbet, which ~already~ could 'prevent miners from blocking tx' IF it chose to keep them secret, but pointedly DOES NOT WANT
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 19:34:34; asciilifeform: and so now i'm stuck having to juggle pots of own coin to maintain this so-called auto anonymity ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00055336 = 27.17 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14556 @ 0.00055323 = 8.0528 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 19:37:29; fluffypony: so in this one special case you have to maybe blacklist outputs and not mix with them
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422884 << well, the privacy risks aren't exactly dubious in that i don't atm see how ring signatures would prevent miner cartel from attacking bitbet. except, of course, if predicated on "miners are lazy and dumb". which is true - until they aren't. much like ants are lazy and dumb, until they get into the fridge, at which point they'll dumbly&lazily never want to leave.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 19:38:03; fluffypony: so your argument adds an astonishingly nonsensical case that presents dubious privacy risks
ben_vulpes: did i miss a fork proposal for july that would nuke miner cartelization, or perhaps even pooled mining?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 19:43:06; fluffypony: mostly in the context of "we should have invited him to add a voice to this, but I doubt he'd come to the USA"
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 19:45:43; asciilifeform: porn-making conf in teheran ?
ben_vulpes: i found an antipooling design 'idea' on hackingdistributed
assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1SqDUTU )
mircea_popescu: anwyay, yes, bitcoin is traversing perhaps the first true crisis since its founding, between now and the halving.
mircea_popescu: ironically, it had absolutely nothing to do with all the derps, in the end.
mircea_popescu: not with the wanna-be ceos and assorted "captains of industry" ; not with the wanna-be coders and assorted "power rangers" ; not with the wanna-be journos and assorted redditards ; not with the wanna-be sikrit agents and assorted nsa tools.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: complain to fluffypony he took what, 3 minutes?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00055697 = 9.0508 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 20:10:03; mircea_popescu: not with the wanna-be ceos and assorted "captains of industry" ; not with the wanna-be coders and assorted "power rangers" ; not with the wanna-be journos and assorted redditards ; not with the wanna-be sikrit agents and assorted nsa tools.
mircea_popescu: you hafta understand mp was rich and powerful long before bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the enemies of sound money are certainly served by bitcoin miner cartelization. doh.
mircea_popescu: again with the effects talk. looky : what'd you have me do, not say anything ?
mircea_popescu: all through the past 7 years the whole spiel was "[these known vulnerabilities] but the miners would never dare do that because of market reaction". what exactly did you imagine that reaction is built out of ? reddit derping ?
mircea_popescu: and yeah, sure, perhaps the market's not rational enough, and yeah, sure, maybe fed prints more to buy bitcoin. whatevs.
mircea_popescu: stop worring about what things mean and what may come and so forth, focus on doing the right thing at each juncture i say.
mircea_popescu: as long as "i did nothing wrong" at each successive point, you'll be a happy dead man.
mircea_popescu: this trivially reduces to "usable computer can not be built". which is it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ftr, re ben_vulpes link (not that i've read it or intend to read random derpage from nobodies on topics) - years ago protecting miner investment made sense as a topic.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm just trying to figure out how to cover this actual crisis now that Bitcoin has one.
BingoBoingo: What? No one literate enough to make code has started prototyping necessary brick chicom hardware fork?
BingoBoingo: I'm trying to digest how this all relates if the biggest schelling point of Cliter reign follows halving.
ben_vulpes: so cartelization, preservation of extant btc distribution not even desireable. sounds like a new genesis, altcoin, if the prototype is even preserveable?
BingoBoingo: So, how do we make a better boat on the open sea?
BingoBoingo: A boat which, in scuttling value we can float new boat in?
BingoBoingo: Spz adacoin, could not old boat be scuttled into supporting that or?
BingoBoingo: So, are we reverting back to seeing how many benjies we can shove into the bank of arse?
BingoBoingo going to clear some brush and think about life.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 20:50:12; BingoBoingo: Like the hardfork dilemma.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (because there is no satisfactory way of bootstrapping any alt.) << in principle a ~WELL DESIGNED~ alt with a ~WELL CHOSEN~ pow would work quite well.
mircea_popescu: benefits from all the marketing bitcoin did for it, without having to pay (in the shape of entrenched idiots of all stripes)
mircea_popescu: however, if it is going to be an altcoin, as in, no continuity, then it doesn't matter so much if tomorrow or yest or whenever.
mircea_popescu: if whatever you're doing is threatened by a government, you're either very stupid or very lazy.
mircea_popescu: and sure, you can blame the miners. the problem is - the design sort-of forced this endgame upon them. i doubt most of the chinese even understand ~what went wrong~, in the very faint general, letalone in this specific ~what we did wrong~. by the chinese bible they were being very reasonable and i just don't understand how the world works. ach ach my dear fellow mp.
mircea_popescu: after the unintentional hardfork over the imbecillic high-s thing, this was perhaps inevitable. what are they do to ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btc cartel is a bunch of dudes with some technical ability and no clue generally.
mircea_popescu: hopefully some hicks from missouri capture you and i can hear all about the ozarks supremacy for a while.
JuliaTourianski_: the Chinese miners want and like single leadership because chinese.
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ no, they went against the consensus. what's core ?
BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_: They went against the don't be shitheads when 51+%
BingoBoingo: Further ~80-90 percent of hash all got together and MET!?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo imagine someone somewhere thinking this is a good idea.
mircea_popescu: now imagine what other incredibly dumb shit they imagine is a good idea for crying out loud.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This is why /me leans towards well designed altcoin as solution. Something capable being ada-ified, but perhaps implementable in rougher form.
BingoBoingo: Becaus ewe can't have a republic without money
JuliaTourianski_: the thing alt coiners don't get is...if btc "fails" alt coins lose all cred. wont get any traction EVEN if perfect
BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_: BTC just failed, now what?
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ nobody wants "the cred" of imbecile redditars & all.
mircea_popescu: i'd honestly much prefer the situation where "evangelism" never happened.
BingoBoingo: And now TSA plucks arsecoin out or arsecoin wallet with flashlight
mircea_popescu: in fact, the lot of them getting burned off is at least as valuable as bricking the idiot chinese miner rigs.
JuliaTourianski_: jackson palmer said usd will outlive btc so lets all fold our cards.
mod6: if this is all correct, then i agree with alf. there is no reason to continue work on trb - we should suspend, indefinately, all efforts therein. At least until somehow we have a re-write that resolves these issues.
mircea_popescu: mod6 your call to make, together with ben_vulpes i guess - the point remains, if no trb offering in july, no trb offering in july.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Well, work on a trb with a new genesis block could be an interesting skeleton for altcoin. It opens the door to flensing far deeper.
mod6: Why is july a thing? This doesn't make sense. If prb wants to fork a centralized mining protocol, that doesn't make it any less dead.
mircea_popescu: mod6 because more or less then, it'll be a case of "well... what does everyone use ?"
mod6: well, everyone who doens't matter.
mod6: and that's not good enough.
mod6: so if derps wanna use centralized mining shitware, they can continue. but i wont, and you wont.
mircea_popescu: why do you suppose anything has to be said in particular ? i dun follow.
shinohai: without trb, Bitcoin is basically useless. To me anyway.
BingoBoingo will nevar be able to get an address in another currency as beautiful as 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 again
mircea_popescu: if gates switches to euros, what would he say to microshit shareholders ?
mircea_popescu: to random microshit investor, bitcoin is the same as flooz.
BingoBoingo thinks MPEx can have important role as market between BlightCoin and Coin during the transition.
mircea_popescu: if it's of interest or not it is their call to make neh ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose it's absolutely obvious and entirely uncontroversial that a bitcoin with cartel-mining is entirely uninteresting to everyone.
mircea_popescu: not that the philipinos won't be coming out of the underbrush to push the unexpected "just as good" verbiage, or w/e.
mircea_popescu: they have no power, no influence, no impact and no credibility.
mircea_popescu: it ended, long ago, various 2nd hand leaders a la putin now and again go to kick the once-great, currently ridiculous loser.
mircea_popescu: nobody in the us has done a spot of work in about fifty years.
mircea_popescu: anyway. in my personal scoreboard, this is chalked down as one of those grand disasters of stupidity. exactly in line with an older article of yours,
mircea_popescu: "these idiots were given an opportunity, and they figured running the rigs as efficiently as possible is everything that may ever matter."
mircea_popescu: no nefariousness need be involved for people to fuck up grandiosely.
Reydev: hey guys is the current discussion still related to the bitbet payout thing discussed some days ago?
mod6: mircea_popescu: so if your pre-req for change to btc protocol was adopted, and ASICs were rendered useless, how does one begin to attack the problem of mining pools?
mircea_popescu: ah, that post was made in a happier time, a more innocent time.
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 18:53:47; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: workfunctions, there was once some theoretical work concerning 'non-outsourceable puzzles', i.e. mathematical magic preventing the formation of pools by allowing any pool participant to silently and untraceably claim the entire block reward. but i cannot recall if this went anywhere other than academiwankery.
mircea_popescu: but anyway - there's a substantial difference between the degree of brokedness bitcoin experienced between 2010 and about 2013ish, where imbecile independent miners nevertheless gave their vote blank to "pool" operators (mcuh like idiot shareholders let the various brokers to vote for them)
mircea_popescu: and the degree of brokedness bitcoin experiences now, post-cartelization (an event which we'd more or less date as occuring either in degrees or at some point between the high-s fork and march trhe 3rd)
mircea_popescu: wherein ACTUALY MINERS are centralized, pools are irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: so : by breaking the capital investment of the current idiots that had the unmitigated audacity to meet and the breathtaking stupidity to not only admit it, but bring it like some sort of value in public, like the mongoloid children proud of his fingerpainting works in his own shit
mircea_popescu: we at the very least achieve a very useful head of a mongoloid on a stick for the education of future retarded children of (principally) asian mothers,
mod6: is there anything in anyones opinion that the foundation could do with trb to move past this problem?
mircea_popescu: in general "what to do" has been a foremost topic in everyone's head for days now, i would imagine.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dawg, portofolios get adjusted all the time in response to market conditions, whadda ya want.
mircea_popescu: best i can see both these items sit on the same philosophical foundation.
mircea_popescu: which, inasmuch as it's philosophical, doesn't really get touched by phenomena.
mircea_popescu: you know - i did geographically dispersed honest commerce long before bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: without these things ~free world accessible to arbitrary $fortune~ is a dream.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck did you imagine the various items and pillars to build a coherent world-envelloping system come to me so easily ? i'm not coming up with fucking wot-economy and pgp-corporations and all this de novo, i'm just applying to pre-existing items!
mircea_popescu: soviet world had it's own free subset ; much like the 1984 world has its free subset. the people running the black market that orwell does not even wish to consider.
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mircea_popescu: i'm more interested in slavegirls and icecream, but sure.
mircea_popescu: note that my interest in computers is, these days, ~strictly predicated on trb.
mircea_popescu: this particular system, for instance, i've been running for a while now on a half dozen long etc hosts, i don't even notice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it made sense. but note that it was principally the irc chan that sold me.
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BingoBoingo notices alf's grieving process skips to simultaneous depression and acceptance
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mircea_popescu: (i'm not porposing you have a lot - merely poking fun at the rounding process you prolly use regardless)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Anyways you've got warrants in a substantial portion of S.NSA which are convertible to BTC or its successor on MPEx
BingoBoingo: What, no faith in hawalla over gossipd? or a well-designed altcoin ever happening?
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mircea_popescu: what do you expect changed with trb ? you weren't doing it to get rich, were you ? you weren't doing it for redditettes to throw their panties at you, were you ?
BingoBoingo: Alf paid his rent in USD and thusly his life had remained unmanageable
mircea_popescu: how is feb 5th differfent from march 5th ? there's a pile of shitty code implementing sort-of kinda badly a concept, that's being extracted to light.
mircea_popescu: how do you know what you were doing helped kill hitlker and how do you know it doesn't no mo.
mircea_popescu: don't tell me we're in any imminent danger of selling cardanos ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform then how about you make the thing and once it's made we figure out the marketing plan,
mircea_popescu: rather than figure the marketing plan before the thing's even vapour.
shinohai: Well Gentleman, I have certainly enjoyed working with you all on trb from the past ~1 year nonetheless.
mod6: we should probably discuss solutions, write a spec of new bitcoin, then implement new bitcoin
danielpbarron would have been more surprised if either 1) bitcoin didn't fail or 2) bitcoin didn't become some sort of one world government causing monster of a thing
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure we actually took a single walk around the whole item
punkman: asciilifeform: I'm assuming cardano could also do 'p' one day
punkman: you said you need USD for rent, thus my question
mod6: mircea_popescu: noted. ya, we need to get our heads around this thing.
mircea_popescu: mod6 even if - and consider i'm speaking of a purely cartoon view of reality, merely for illustration purposes - even if trbf "misses the boat" and instead dilligently focuses on fixing satoshi code, and three years later the "winner" of july competition falls on sword that trbf actually fouind and fixed, the relative position of trbf in the world has not suffered one iota.
mircea_popescu: so there's really no call for dramatics, in my own mind. gotta do all the work one can as well as one can and see what tomorrow brings.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform big difference between "me" and "we" in this point.
mircea_popescu: well - i thought you didn't like the father pistols, and shouldn't you be thankful this one's dislodging ?
mircea_popescu: omaigerd. what the fuck did you expect was going to happen.
mircea_popescu: engineering consistently presents management with two options : a) either shit takes forever or b) well now there's no pistol.
mircea_popescu: of fucking course ? do it faster next time ? what ? either you take shorter than there's time or longer. tnd.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi. my money'd be on something stupid, really.
mircea_popescu: i dunno... trade it for ethereum. support what's the fatass' name, with the "consensus" bullcrap ? huey something ?
mircea_popescu: looky : i said divesting, and you're not going to obtain clarification or further infos about it no matter how it gets turned around.
mircea_popescu: eh for crying out loud. so what, i can only buy, in your model ? or not even ?
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mircea_popescu: well yes, in principle anyone left holding "a very slow, unreliable and expensive visa run by idiots" is definitionally a bagholder.
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CrazyTruthYakDDS: thanks; was seeing if you had anything on your blog about ETH; seems like major pump and dump to me
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, major pump and dump. it's in the logs if not on trilema./
CrazyTruthYakDDS: just find it hilarious everyone is screaming ETH and that BTC is dead
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 23:14:46; mircea_popescu: ah the recursive "it must be me too then"
CrazyTruthYakDDS: ty i will look; i feel ETH is play for some BTC holders to pump and dump to more BTC :)
CrazyTruthYakDDS: and the only real "value" people have pushed is that microsoft azure is using it as an api
CrazyTruthYakDDS: which is meaningless, i am sure microsoft also has api tools to work with BTC as well
CrazyTruthYakDDS: hell, factom is better, as it is at least taking advantage of the BTC blockchain/security if i am not mistaken