deedbot: [Trilema] The Herd of "Independent" Minds, or Has the AvantGarde Its Own Mass Culture? - http://trilema.com/2016/the-herd-of-independent-minds-or-has-the-avantgarde-its-own-mass-culture/
mircea_popescu: ^ great read btw.
shinohai: http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Turkish-Russian-Relations-Worsen-As-Turkish-Helicopter-Is-Downed.html
mircea_popescu goes to fish for the piece of logs where this was predicted.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-29#1333639 an' http://qntra.net/2015/11/clinton-found-a-turkey/ werd!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-11-29 18:02 trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/29/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-pilot-idUSKBN0TI07T20151129 << the angle I see here is that Turkey wants Russia to tell them of their operations in Syria in advance so that Turkey can pass the information along to their allies within
mircea_popescu: oh and re the perennial discussion of progress and "what things cost" : i'd like a pound of costards, please.
shinohai: the crystal ball still works
diametric: mircea_popescu: nah, just curious what happened, and if i'd still be welcome in both places. or only one.
diametric: i'll let asciilifeform fill me in when i see him again
mircea_popescu: dun see why not.
mircea_popescu: i just got spam with an... iso image attached. that's a new one o.O
diametric: thats impressive
Framedragger: asciilifeform et al.: a couple of representative ssh host key samples (e,N,ip_address) - two /8's - pipeline was masscan (sort of nmap+zmap with custom tcp stack) -> ssh-keyscan (manually parallelized) -> custom conversion into CSV
Framedragger: (a sparse /8 - 13983 keys extracted) (3.1MiB compressed)
Framedragger: (a denser (but not super dense at all - can be 10x this and more) /8 - 55668 keys extracted) (13MiB compressed)
Framedragger: uncompressed TXTs as well as signatures (as separate *.sig's) in and
Framedragger: (scanning the whole ipv4 in the sense of "check if something's listening behind this port, for all IPs" is apparently the easy part, even with no/little investment. you don't need to use stateful sockets etc. extracting particular info after doing some back-and-forth is where it's harder to scale.)
Framedragger: i'm afraid these keys won't contain any additional comments or email addresses. while the latter are stored on the ssh host, they are not transmitted during key exchange, viz.: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/e9318ddf-dfb5-494b-8c75-ecda5ebe30b1/
Framedragger: (i did store the 'banners' associated with all those IPs though, would consider merging them into the CSVs to become comments. don't know how useful, but curious (e.g. whether weak device is an embedded appliance/router etc))
Framedragger: they'd look like " SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u4"
mircea_popescu: yeah rather useful i'd say
mircea_popescu: certainly the "ssh census" will be a valuable qntra article which you're invited to write once done.
mircea_popescu: you even get shares.
mircea_popescu: brief intro of what you did + tables of host counts by openssh version, distro id, B blocks
Framedragger: cool. sounds good :)
deedbot: [Qntra] Philipino President Tells Soros Where To Shove It - http://qntra.net/2016/05/philipino-president-tells-soros-where-to-shove-it/
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: You audition is the state of Britain's children https://archive.is/X8wTp
mircea_popescu: lolwut!
mircea_popescu: at some point the notion of "child" must end to give way to the notion of "pig". why not just sausage them ?
BingoBoingo: Seriously Framedragger take that and show that you are Qntra contributor material
mircea_popescu: eh who cares about fatties!
BingoBoingo: Apparently airstrip one
Framedragger: BingoBoingo ahahah yeh let me tell you state of british children is something like in those pics..but ventilators, foreal? mein gott
BingoBoingo: Anyways when you get the ssh thing written up pls submit it, but also do the piece on the pigletts if you want to.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7qz2e2R2j1rc7njio1_1280.jpg
Framedragger: it can form some kind of series, piglets & shitty refrigerators with open shells, or whatever is running on the internet these days
mircea_popescu: maybe you could use your skillz to order them food.
Framedragger: man i'd like to learn knots. and with that, off to get some sleep
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 412996 | Current Difficulty: 1.9425482028344403E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 413279 | Next Difficulty In: 283 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 15 hours, 2 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/rJn1UP.png
Framedragger: oh mein gott, the language of these "abuse complaints"... your Server/Customer with the IP: [...] has attacked one of our servers/partners. The attackers used the method/service: *ssh*
Framedragger: canyoubelieveit, i used *ssh*!!11 it's..super effective
Framedragger: fucking jokers
Framedragger: s/jokers/wankers/ , on further reflection
shinohai: http://archive.is/4A8Dt <<< lulz
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 12139488149070232138243954377 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Li-Wen Kuo <li-wen@gmx.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2E79EF558F70013AEC0461FCCE1B3DD2C2D67242AEDA15EA5C2BE283491CD3D
asciilifeform: ;;later tell trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470694 << it missed a whole bunch of these☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-23 12:41 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 12139488149070232138243954377 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Li-Wen Kuo <li-wen@gmx.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2E79EF558F70013AEC0461FCCE1B3DD2C2D67242AEDA15EA5C2BE283491CD3D
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470660 << neato☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-23 02:23 Framedragger: asciilifeform et al.: a couple of representative ssh host key samples (e,N,ip_address) - two /8's - pipeline was masscan (sort of nmap+zmap with custom tcp stack) -> ssh-keyscan (manually parallelized) -> custom conversion into CSV
mircea_popescu: Framedragger "modern democracy", that's what it is. a collective of wankers posturing as people.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you'll end up working at teh mortuary you know.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; yes, fat isn't innervated nor particularly perfused, and the more distant the less connected. which is why really fat people CAN'T actually lose weight. how would they, it is closer to a burlap backpack than a tissue.
mircea_popescu: shinohai oh, wait, 100 upvotes "speaking out" ? that's literally two cents.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell funkenstein_ please send me a statement of accounts thanks.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: Democracy our voice will be herd!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470702 << i'm pretty sure none of the folk in the ru photos of auschwitz etc piles were fat.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-23 13:32 mircea_popescu: anyway ; yes, fat isn't innervated nor particularly perfused, and the more distant the less connected. which is why really fat people CAN'T actually lose weight. how would they, it is closer to a burlap backpack than a tissue.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform none of the arrested jews were > 300 lbs, either.
mircea_popescu: but sure, over time it perfuses. just, have to maintain an active lifestyle and a catabolic metabolism for years on end.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the margin phenomena of the human sphere are platelet agglomeration on one end ; and aerobic necrosis on the other. the former makes a scab. the latter makes what fly maggots eat. which way the wound goes is decided by how much useful blood shows up per unit time.
mircea_popescu: the human skin, unbreached, is a fantastic barrier to all this ; but like everything else it requires irrigation to function.
asciilifeform: recall orlov's hypothesis re how american-fat will kill the victim if he begins to burn it ?
mircea_popescu came up with this obvious point independently, but ok!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-01#1289392 ftw.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-10-01 07:57 mircea_popescu: the OTHER however, and in the us population without exception the more important, is toxin load. the body has two approaches to dealing with toxins : excretion and fat burial.
asciilifeform: aha i recall thread
asciilifeform: it will be interesting to see the hypothesis tested in the flesh.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/cebca20a7d992a5e1f0cfded1e75ed1d/tumblr_n28w04wx071qmafq2o1_1280.png
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some reason this reminds me of the grenade proposal
mircea_popescu: well yeah.
mircea_popescu: cooperation! anarchy!
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470719 <<< wicked >:3☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-23 14:42 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/cebca20a7d992a5e1f0cfded1e75ed1d/tumblr_n28w04wx071qmafq2o1_1280.png
deedbot: [Trilema] Tropic Tunder - http://trilema.com/2016/tropic-tunder/
mircea_popescu: soo, chinese govt unloaded half a trillion "western world and modern democracy" (WWMD) paper in 2015, including ~300bn us treasuries. that's about 1/6 of their total exposure to usg bonds.
mircea_popescu: SO FAR THIS YEAR they've dumped about as much.
mircea_popescu: if the trend continues, 2018 will be the last year the us can finance ANY imports.
asciilifeform: where exactly lives the mythical paper-ANYTHING that is not usg-exposed ?
mircea_popescu: this includes chips, cars, oil, cheese, you name it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the thread about the ICBC that's about as large as the sum total of us banks yet trades in ny on the pink sheets ?
mircea_popescu: there
asciilifeform: and no usgtronics baked into it at all ?
asciilifeform: e.g., invests in nothing in not only us, but eu, jp, ... ?
asciilifeform: neutron bomb usa and it won't move a mm ?
mircea_popescu: you should see their tower in bsas.
mircea_popescu: neutron my foot.
mircea_popescu: "will it beat up superman" "dude... you think this is the cartoons ?"
mircea_popescu: and speaking of "fed policies" : the fed created a "bull market" that was really a paper bubble devoid of any economic substance whatsoever. guess who rode it to the very peak ?
asciilifeform: i just don't see this mythical 'fiat but not at all usgtronic' planet.
asciilifeform: the same folks have their hands in all pies.
mircea_popescu: china bought 120 bn worth of us stocks from 2008 to 2015. it liquidated q2/q3 2015.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is like "apple could buy russia" talk. no, they do not. they like to pretend they do. and much like the dumb housewife of some random local tough, some people BELIEVE THEM.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise... nope.
asciilifeform: i've wondered, what's it even mean to 'buy russia'
mircea_popescu: maps quite exactly on your "hands in pies" theory.
asciilifeform: e.g., who bought russia in '92 ?
mircea_popescu: ~me.
asciilifeform: and did it cost much ?
mircea_popescu: and it was a lovely decade, too.
mircea_popescu: not so much.
mircea_popescu: the ever-obnoxious reality of economics is that the people you want buying you never pay much ; and the people who pay much you never really want.
deedbot: [Qntra] Ingsoc Victory: Britain's Children Too Fat To Breathe - http://qntra.net/2016/05/ingsoc-victory-britains-children-too-fat-to-breathe/
mircea_popescu: works in marriage, the same way. and so on.
mircea_popescu: (ah and in case anyone wonders where the money went ? M&A market. if you don't know what this is - it's when i buy your daughter to take her to shanghai.)
BingoBoingo: Anyways Bayer upped its bid to 62 bn USD for monsanto
BingoBoingo: From 48?-ish
mircea_popescu: (and where's the money come from, you wonder ? ah, well, usg.fed.jpm and usg.fed.gs are lending companies money to buy their own stock back :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this'd be an almost exact analogue to ru privatization, neh ?
mircea_popescu: wouldn't it.
asciilifeform: hand out printolade to favourite sons, who are now 'legit owners' of x,y,z
mircea_popescu: the past ten years, share buybacks were ~3bn. of which 500 bn 2015 and 500bn 2014.
asciilifeform: you mean 3tn ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile 2 obama, 2 bush, 2 clinton and a bush sr back, the share buybacks were 5% that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. damned zimbabwe, losing tracks of zeros already
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even a matter of sons ; the usg has no sons, nor any vigor in the seed. it's a matter of desperation - everything americans don't buy, the chinese buy, take apart and move to china.
mircea_popescu: at least in the ru privatisation, the driver was personal appetite, egotism, a will to live. that's good, no matter what the losers say. fuck the losers with a flaming spiked club.
asciilifeform: it isn't entirely clear to me what the chinese even need from usa
mircea_popescu: in the us however, it's dry ambition. or to quote,
asciilifeform: i.e. why they trade
mircea_popescu: " So we understand each other : John is some poor and kinda stupid kid from some ghetto in some indistinct townlet. One day, Mircea the Bad comes there on whatever business, sits down in the bar with his two bitches curled up at his feet and drinks a rum or something. The girls from the ghetto, for love of their country (in our example, that sad ghetto) pick John up forcibly, sit him down at the table next to mine and curl
mircea_popescu: at his feet, just like the other two. They're definitely not slavegirls, they have neither the training nor the skills nor in the end the needs or structure of that relationship, and no marble columns, no gardens where water sprinkles among the cypress nor artesian fountains springing forth marzipan await them at home, but instead the nude concrete walls, the [low class mass produced kitsch wallhanging stuff], the bedbug inf
mircea_popescu: ested pressed shitboard nightstand. But indifferent to all these points, they play a role to support a theory : the theory that here too, in the assghetto of shit "we got fine stuff", and a John who, even if only four letters long, is still quite as great as any Mircea come from afar.
mircea_popescu: Well, that's patriotism, the girls in this example show "love of their ghetto" and that's the thing upon which socialist Romania was built, if you're curious - a structure otherwise borrowed from Carlist Romania. Totul pentru patrie!"
asciilifeform: in so far as i can tell from my pit, they only need usd, and only need it because of an elaborate chumpatron which encompasses ~everyone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this happened once before, at the very least. americans used to go to yurp and buy "art" in the 1880s.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody needs usd for any purpose ; nor does that ~everyone extend past your pit.
mircea_popescu: i keep having to state this, my counter was barely 16 bits and so it overran. how many 65536 times did i say it already ?
asciilifeform: then wtf is cn doing shipping anything to this here zimbabwe
asciilifeform: they took too much lsd, or what
mircea_popescu: same thing murican oil magnates bought in milano cca 1886.
mircea_popescu: ~cunt, basically.
asciilifeform: archaeological artifacts ?
mircea_popescu: (no, not directly. but nevertheless)
mircea_popescu: no. cunt.
asciilifeform: who in his right mind would buy ~that~ in usa
mircea_popescu: again - not the item per se.
mircea_popescu: the item in conceptio.
asciilifeform: how's that work
mircea_popescu: suppose you're an alien unicorn being of pure energy and infinite capacity. and you go to hollywood.
mircea_popescu: now in this situation, you have a number of possible avenues.
mircea_popescu: 1. you kill anyone and everything that displeases you. this will coallesce the more competent cunts around you, and unite the idiots against you. let's call it the swift scenario, for you're creating a confederacy of dounces.
mircea_popescu: 2. you invest in all the studios, and let them manage it. this will coallesce into a situation where you're "loved" in the particular way the mob loves. let's call it the marc anthony situation, why the hell not. you'll die at their hands, eventually, somehow. that's their love.
mircea_popescu: 3. you create a major alien studio out of shit from the spaceship. this reduces to either 1 or 2 ; generally the mob will fluctuate and undulate and try to fuzz you out, see which of the two reductions works best for them.
mircea_popescu: 3. you BUY all the studios, take them apart, and reform a large alien studio out of the parts. this is the end. hollywood will no longer mean anything to anyone outside of what it means to you.
mircea_popescu: so... cunt. in this sense.
asciilifeform: that last one is ~same as what soros et al tried to do to ru
asciilifeform: what was the result ?
BingoBoingo: In other news the popular press is referring to the company that invented the LED as a "seeds" company. Not even a chemical company anymore. Just a Burpee catalog with higher profit margins.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the monsanto that invented led lives in the same place as atari
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, the premise is not to be violated. when the fuck did soros become that powerful.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no trace of it remains
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not so much power required, you said yourself, ru was cheap at the time
BingoBoingo: There's prolly a shed frull of cremains somewhere.
mircea_popescu: infinite capacity means, first and foremost, an infinite capacity for erection.
mircea_popescu: something very close to what tmsr demonstrates on a daily basis when "hey, here's a hole, who wants to fuck it" gets a hot rod ramming it within the day.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the premise said "of infinite power".
mircea_popescu: to imagine that a horse in the barn requires a man to steal, but the same horse out in the field "is not so strongly owned so even a toad could steal it" is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: you're stealing the thing you're stealing, not its meaning to some arbitrarily chosen party. cunt is cunt and stays cunt, even if currently in a bored, tedious marriage.
asciilifeform: i'd like to know where in usa is the horse.
asciilifeform: i.e. the hidden, still-valuable thing worth taking.
mircea_popescu: cunt.
mircea_popescu: it's not hidden, and it's not valuable. it's just there.
asciilifeform: i could even see cn 'we shall bulldoze north american for liebensraum!1111' or the like
asciilifeform: but the contents ?!
mircea_popescu: well, before buldozing you take the contents out right ?
mircea_popescu: less opposition to buldozing an empty frame structure than a "our home".
mircea_popescu: but the discussion mayn't reduce to this. mere lateral example.
asciilifeform: whatever's worth taking before pounding flat
mircea_popescu: no. whatever's perhaps meaningful to someone somewhere.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "worth" and "value" like you keep advancing them. there's only meaning.
asciilifeform: the italian painting example actually rings a bell
asciilifeform: recall usa pumping out the ru maths, physics, etc folks ?
asciilifeform: for ~no good reason~
asciilifeform: just to set them up with taxi in nyc
asciilifeform: i always saw it as a 'deny them to the enemy' thing but possibly it was really the italian thing ?
mircea_popescu: value is merely an arbitrary, coincidental property of meaning. they stand in a relation similar to the relation the question "what;s the sun's value to us" stands with the question "what's the sun's meaning for us".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe it was really the italian thing ; except in a larger system composed of (individual-su space) vs (individual-us space)
asciilifeform: i was speaking of a very concrete notion of value - that is, to the taker
asciilifeform: a meth-head who steals a broken alarm clock - to him it is valuable.
mircea_popescu: ie, the INDIVIDUAL as a "us item", aspirationally ; denied the "su item" as a projection of his own, himself.
asciilifeform: there is also 'steal first, fence later'
mircea_popescu: yes, and that'd be the obviosu construction, but i'm unpersuaded. it dun fit.
asciilifeform: it fit in a few cases known to me
asciilifeform: (folks shipped over, milked for a spell of what they knew, then cut loose)
shinohai: Get ready for chimpout as Officer Edward Nero din do nuffin'
mircea_popescu: anyway, to make that obscurity clearer : sentence structure is agent - verb - object - 2nd object. agent denies to x y. the agent = the INDIVIDUAL as a "us item", aspirationally ; the verb = denied ; the object = himself. "the "su item" as a projection of his own" is a third party, 2nd object.
asciilifeform: shinohai: wat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand that this image "emptied, cut loose" is entirely nonsensical. knowledge is not a substance to be filled with or emptied of.
asciilifeform: 'emptied', to somebody running agents, is sort of same as empty applied to bottle of vodka - yes, '40 drops rule', you can keep shaking it and get >0 output almost asymptotically infinitely - but at some point the expense of the effort is > yield
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> shinohai: wat << Baltimore cop cleared of all charges. "Black Spring" incoming to James Lafond Presents Baltimore
mircea_popescu: no, looky. if the case is that the knowledge vessel was a jwz, which is to say all juice no politics, then the truthful rendition of the situation is, that the knowledge in question was removed from its unstable situation, to a more sensible one. otherwise, if the vessel in question is a balanced construction, the attempts to "remove" run into the age old "nsa can't hold bitcoin and stay nsa" issue as discussed in the logs.
mircea_popescu: now, i can appreciate you personally wish to look at things in this "management doesn't matter and doesn't exist, so no difference should be made between gasteropode and man", but this is really nonsense. there is such difference, and it's called a spine.
asciilifeform: the example currently in my head is the ru nuke detonator bloke
mircea_popescu: who ?
asciilifeform: he is in the l0gz...
asciilifeform: damn
mircea_popescu: now so is she : http://67.media.tumblr.com/f9572b46436c5b017d74d800a261fda4/tumblr_mlf1themP61rw4i4so1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: the one sent to ir with doctored schematics, which he 'helpfully' fixed en route
mircea_popescu: ah i recall this. ok, what of him ?
asciilifeform: taken to usa, and milked, and eventually handlers concluded 'useless, what we have >= what he has, on all subj'
mircea_popescu: so then what do oyu mean by "milked" ?
mircea_popescu: "allowed to post on reddit all day for a spell" ?
asciilifeform: he: 'i need a job' usg: 'you will be mule to ir'
asciilifeform: iirc there was a specific report of what milking consisted of - he was sent to los alamos and asked to design detonator for nuke, and told that it would be tried, and had better be of quality
mircea_popescu: ok... ?
asciilifeform: and when he had done this, the result was judged and the milking deemed concluded.
mircea_popescu: in the sense of, yet another dude that failed his job interview, notwithstanding that he came "highly qualified" and "he had bills to pay". that ?
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu: so how is this milking, and if it is who's milking whom.
asciilifeform: well the interesting bit, iirc, is that it was not 'job interview' in the customary sense, usg had no intention of actually using the fella in the stated capacity, they simply wanted a plausible-looking piece of shit to 'hangout leak' to ir. so they took his, and munged the component values for good measure
mircea_popescu: how do you know what intention employer had ?
asciilifeform: and sent him (why? ask them , not me) to deliver the schems
mircea_popescu: the courts of common pleas are full of this inept bullshit, usually dudette with absolutely nothing going for her argues that "company allowed her to interview to steal her ideas and give them to X team of theirs".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall, this turned into a disastrous scandal, when (quite plausibly, and with much courtroom wankery to follow) was leaked.
mircea_popescu: fortunatelly they moved on to "sexual soimething or the other" now.
mircea_popescu: but the whole nonsense is wholly predicated on the inner self-representatons of an intellect divorced from reality for a long while.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha, how it usually works, the dudette then goes to the inept-woman-chorus and they wail for a while.
mircea_popescu: at least until something happens on tv, or w/e.
asciilifeform: recall, it was the opposite
asciilifeform: (usg went to whine)
mircea_popescu: hm ?
asciilifeform digs futilely in l0gz for the story
mircea_popescu: we might be tlking of diff guys.
asciilifeform: the detonator guy
mircea_popescu: these are the "partners" that went to russia in the end neh ?
asciilifeform: neh, it was 1 guy
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, http://66.media.tumblr.com/d8e7df1dedc37017a0057f9527e0c556/tumblr_n1u6yuDsx21rmm9buo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-29#997014 << thread.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-01-29 06:08 asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/jurors-tell-judge-they-cant-agree-in-cia-leak-trial-of-jeffrey-sterling/2015/01/26/db819f78-a57c-11e4-a7c2-03d37af98440_story.html?tid=hybrid_alt1_strip_1
asciilifeform: article concerned a 'leak trial'
mircea_popescu: uh
asciilifeform: and usg somehow forced to cough up exhibits of what was leaked
mircea_popescu: iirc that was a conviction neh ?
asciilifeform: ^ whole thread under link.
asciilifeform: iirc it was
mircea_popescu: ah, i thought this was 70s, wtf 2015 recent events.
mircea_popescu: i don't even count this sort of shit, for all you know it's a movie trailer.
asciilifeform: the scam itself was circa '90s
mircea_popescu: i recall now, the supposed.... whatever the fuck it was, bizarro clinton thing with iran. almost exactly the same quality of secret service work as the "saddam has wmds" thing.
mircea_popescu: among other incredibly lulzy points : the guy's salary was ~60k a year.
mircea_popescu: for a nuclear physicist risking his neck. fancy that!
asciilifeform: orcs dun make market rate
asciilifeform: why would they.
mircea_popescu: eh gtfo.
mircea_popescu: someone who has even an inkling of a chance of getting within 1% of succeeding here, doesn't need your piddly "what barrista makes" income.
asciilifeform: plenty of ru defectors sold far bigger things for far less
asciilifeform: what's the man gonna do if he decides 60k is chump change ? defect to zimbabwe instead ?
mircea_popescu: dude. a) 2015 ; b) things, not own asshole ; c) you pay 60k a year you get exactly what you paid for, lmao.
mircea_popescu: the whole idiocy of this construction - so the iranians were not going to compare the designs with other designs ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we're still speaking of the same man, the thing played out in 1990s
mircea_popescu: i don't put any stock in this story.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usg has this 'orcs are dumb' thing going. and isn't even always wrong - e.g., winblowz at natanz centrifuge plant
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "operation merlin" was one of the countless usg ss blunders cca 1998 ; it actually did something cca 2001 ; described in a 2010 book, for which some black dude was sentenced to jail in 2015.
asciilifeform: (or more recently, raghead general helpfully snapping selfie with ipnohe and uploading own coordinates to nsa)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, that
mircea_popescu: these are unrelated matters.
mircea_popescu: $google wen ho lee
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mircea_popescu: ^ equally lulzy case. accused of things, govt failed to prove ; eventually they settled, guy got 1.6mn out of the deal.
mircea_popescu: A LOT MORE than 50k a year. right ?
asciilifeform: pretty much everyone knows of wen ho lee
mircea_popescu: incidentally, J.A. Parker's apology / trashing of the da should be mandatory reading for anyone on this "usg can do things in its own courts" tack.
asciilifeform: http://www.wenholee.org << l0l!!!
asciilifeform had nfi this existed
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: "everyone knows" etc. anyway : the sterling dude had his discrimination suit thrown out of court because "sikrits". much more interesting angle than all the rest - where's the limit of "human rights" ?
mircea_popescu: ie, what if the black dude were a white blond girl claiming rape ?
asciilifeform: well recall, i recently learned that nsa has blanket license to piss on 'equal employment' crapolade
mircea_popescu: this is prollypart of why
asciilifeform: sikrits works great
asciilifeform: for this.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i feel dumber for having dug up into the unfunny pit of usg-ian unintentional comedy. was there a point to this excursion ?
asciilifeform: was re 'stealing people for the sake of stealing'
asciilifeform: or somethinglikethat
mircea_popescu: i lend no credence to the theory.
asciilifeform: alternative would be what..? that everyone was stolen with a clear purpose ?
mircea_popescu: look - the blunders of usg post taliban beheading in 2001 are not more meaningful nor worthy of investigation in the direct sense than the movement of a salted snail. so i don't admit that whatever post 2001 example of behaviour or anecdotal poit of evidence may be used as part of a larger construction of ideas.
mircea_popescu: and on the other hand, i don't admit that 'stealing people for the sake of stealing', whatever may mean, is either related to what we were discussing or a useful method to approach the subject matter we were discussing.
asciilifeform: collecting su defectors was very much a pre-2001 thing
mircea_popescu: my thinking is that this is a passive thing - the usg wasn't collecting them more than the sewer collects pearl necklaces.
mircea_popescu: the us was just there.
asciilifeform: and i have nfi what the motivation for vacuuming up most of the relevant folk, was. my entire point was that the motivation remains, to me, a mystery.
mircea_popescu: the collecting of defectors, as a perceived phenomena, is imo best explained by the internal duality of the very defectors in question, fighting with their own demons.
asciilifeform: this, doubtlessly
asciilifeform: is the only ~reasonable hypothesis i know of for most of it.
mircea_popescu: hence http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470831☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-23 15:27 mircea_popescu: ie, the INDIVIDUAL as a "us item", aspirationally ; denied the "su item" as a projection of his own, himself.
mircea_popescu: no recognizable "us" exists in the process, except if one's so culturally acclimated in the 1990s su mentality as to be able to reconstruct the world in their eyes.
asciilifeform: hirin' folx away in order to kill something is very much a thing that exists, tho. consider what, e.g., microshit, did to borland.
mircea_popescu: surely ; but you know what trotsky tried to do to whatever party ?
mircea_popescu: there is this derpy episode when he wrote to some french wing to dissolve and go join whatever local socialists ; the plan "succeeded" because they were kicked out but when they got kicked out there were 300 of them, so SICK GAINZ!
asciilifeform: obviously the larger snake eats the smaller, not vice versa
mircea_popescu: the larger cow also eats the prions.
asciilifeform: sure.
mircea_popescu: this first level, mechanical approach to things isn't going to yield much.
mircea_popescu: do you know how many girls ate me to date ?
mircea_popescu: btw, do you know the joke with the angora rabbit at the brothel ?
asciilifeform: hm?
mircea_popescu: angora rabbit goes to brothel. he asks for a blowjob
mircea_popescu: from a boa constrictor.
mircea_popescu: so first borthel is like gtfo, it'll eat you and who's gonna pay ?
mircea_popescu: eventually he finds some people willing to do it. so they put the little rabbit in a room with this eighteen foot monster of a snake
mircea_popescu: which proceeds to swallow it hole.
mircea_popescu: but fucking angora rabbit you know, all that fur, doesn't sit well with the snake
mircea_popescu: so moments later the boa spits it out, and the rabbit goes flying over a large arc quarter mile wide
mircea_popescu: and as he's hurling through the air, his doppler-effected voice can be heard going "now that's what i caaall a blooowjoooobbbb"
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: and in other mechanic's news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9mojeF5Nt1qmqccso1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: ^ glorious
mircea_popescu: if porn weren't so fucking dead, i might be making some avantgarde anatomy explorations. such as the female stairwell.
asciilifeform: stairwell?
mircea_popescu: (tie womenz to stairwell, connect one's urethral intubation to the one below's laringeal intubation. pour cider in the mouthpipe of the topmost one)
asciilifeform: ah hm
asciilifeform: as per 'human centipede'
mircea_popescu: measure creatinine clearance per intervals, send for publication to medical journals.
asciilifeform: gandhi's zombie approves
mircea_popescu: and yes, would work with colon hydration also.
asciilifeform: $s morarji cola
asciilifeform: damn
asciilifeform: ;;google morarji cola
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
asciilifeform: wtf
mircea_popescu: actually i suppose one should be a darling and a) add VR headests to the girls and b) add lsd at the top.
asciilifeform: what'll the headsets do
mircea_popescu: then you could do various brainscan-to-vr combinations, and publish as "artificial intelligence" also
asciilifeform: more interesting than ~100% of modern day academe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im thinking bayesian "rule system" / markov chains based off the next girl's brain wavery./
mircea_popescu: ikr.
mircea_popescu: i'd make a pretty decent concentration camp doctor.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in a sense i already DO make a ... hm...
asciilifeform: lelz
mircea_popescu: nuts.
asciilifeform: speaking of, if i lived in s america, i would definitely try to at least sneak a peek at the german villages
asciilifeform: has mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: nope. and they also have german villages in romania, fwiw.
asciilifeform: in ro they aren't a '40s creation are they
mircea_popescu: 1740.
asciilifeform: aha like in ru
mircea_popescu: just about ya
asciilifeform: we are thinking of diff germans.
mircea_popescu: is there such a thing ?
asciilifeform: in south a, they are presumably descendants of ww2 folx
mircea_popescu: eh.
mircea_popescu: and the people in cincinnati are descendents of the roman republic.
mircea_popescu: fun fact : there was such a thing as "transylvania" in the old us ; attested for instance in the "transylvania purchase".
asciilifeform: there is a rome and even odessa in usa.
asciilifeform: what of these.
mircea_popescu: ~same relation i'd say.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen adlai
gribble: adlai was last seen in #trilema 3 weeks, 0 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <adlai> either 60 "random" words have nothing to do with my life, or my basal ganglia are still swimming in lsd.
mircea_popescu: was that fellow actually under psychiatric treatment etc ?
asciilifeform: he got checked into asylum 2nd time 'properly' iirc.
mircea_popescu: nuts.
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mircea_popescu: oh boy, that 2nd panel ? totally. my currenlty favourite fucking position.
mircea_popescu: "grab your ankles"
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asciilifeform: shinohai: old nyooz
asciilifeform: shinohai: i suspect it was the craig whateverthefuck phork
shinohai: I just haen't seen it pop up in a long time
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solrodar: $unrate mircea_popescu
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deedbot: solrodar unrated mircea_popescu.
asciilifeform: solrodar: gonna send back the prize money ?
solrodar: prize? that was payment for work performed.
solrodar: and more significantly, the guy made me think about new things for a year or so
solrodar: which is why I'm not rating negatively
mircea_popescu: lol wut.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: output of massive wank on old #ba
mircea_popescu: ah. w/e.
asciilifeform: safe to sleep through.
asciilifeform: kako's become ~indistinguishable from artful usg agent.
asciilifeform: worked hard to put his face in front of mircea_popescu's fist, and now 'aggrieved victim'
mircea_popescu: i'm trying to recall who the guy is/was.
asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu didn't drink vodka
mircea_popescu: ah ah with the callgraph stuff. ie what phf ended up doing himself ?
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: it was the trb source callgraph
asciilifeform: with the function flow
mircea_popescu: ah right.
asciilifeform: solrodar produced it, but it was unreadable
mircea_popescu: well whatever, outreach doesn't ALWAYS work.
asciilifeform: i proclaimed that it is not his fault tho, and that the graph is an intrinsic ball of yarn.
mircea_popescu: yes i recall.
asciilifeform: then he mostly vanished until the bbet warz.
asciilifeform: i still wish i knew why mircea_popescu gave kakobrekla a claw hammer with which the latter will work for years trying to pry off anything insufficiently nailed down in tmsr.
asciilifeform: imho it was a bad move.
asciilifeform: could have just as easily sent the man off with the coin but no hammer.
mircea_popescu: eh, it's the nature of the job, let the man work himself sore. gotta earn one's keep for once in his fucking life neh ?
mircea_popescu: go around derping, who knows, maybe someone buys it. and if they do - all the better, for everyone involved.
mircea_popescu: why should i want the esteem of "the general public" / solrodar / whatever.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: respectable folk are quietly asking, 'why did he do it'
mircea_popescu: same reason bartender eventually goes "you're drunk, go home".
mircea_popescu: what, "oh no, someone bought me a drink here once, i now own the place" or somesuch ?
asciilifeform: bartender doesn't normally send drunk home without his moneyz ?
mircea_popescu: the drunk's claims as to "his moneys" are of interest perhaps to the other drunks.
asciilifeform: fella's been sayin', to anyone who will listen, that he did not get what was owed to him by contract.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, in general and unrelatedly, this consumerist notion that "oh, i have rights" has very little weight in wot terms. shit in your relationships, good luck with your "rights".
mircea_popescu: fella has been saying versions of this since february, and got shown to have actually lied in the discovery process, to the syndic, for a profit motive.
asciilifeform: that was my reading thus far. fist, face.
asciilifeform: where was this
asciilifeform: i missed ?
mircea_popescu: well yes, you missed. because when a shithead tries to steal from me it's not news. but when a shithead lies about the reverse, your ears perk up.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's public, review the process to your satisfaction.
asciilifeform: http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-proposed-settlement-transaction << this one ?
mircea_popescu: among others, the one where he wanted to get the proceeds of the house bets as free money.
asciilifeform: hm
mircea_popescu: but in general, the whole fucking exercise was a lengthy, tedious story of "gimme".
asciilifeform digs.
asciilifeform: i thought kako was sitting on a tall pile of earlyadoptronium and didn't need moneyz
mircea_popescu: whatever.
mircea_popescu: in other lolz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIclidm9nug
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