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asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2016/06/nsa-snowden-docs-grow.jpg << in other lulz
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 414982 | Current Difficulty: 1.99312067531243E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 415295 | Next Difficulty In: 313 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 414984 | Current Difficulty: 1.99312067531243E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 415295 | Next Difficulty In: 311 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 20 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
shinohai: http://www.pcmag.com/news/344995/attackers-break-into-mark-zuckerbergs-twitter-pinterest <<< LOLOL
BingoBoingo: shinohai: You know a better place to drop that link...
shinohai: I wasn't sure it was lulzy enough, but may do a brief writeup before gf gets here.
BingoBoingo: Social media fucks zuck can be te title
shinohai: BingoBoingo: http://ix.io/PhX
BingoBoingo: ty
shinohai: Also follow up Re: Jacob Applebaum https://web.archive.org/web/20160604002034/https://ioerrror.github.io/jacobappelbaum.net/
deedbot: [Qntra] Zuck's Social Media Accounts Fucked - http://qntra.net/2016/06/zucks-social-media-accounts-fucked/
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/llKbb << Up on Mount Lol
BingoBoingo: Some China from the mines: The father sat reflecting on how much joy his two sons brought to him during the year. He decided to buy them both the present of their choice this holiday season. When he asked his older boy what he would like, the son replied, “Oh boy, I would like so many things. Maybe a bicycle, or new skis, or skin diving equipment. I wish I would have them all, but any one would make me happy.”
BingoBoingo: That was fine with the father, he now had some good choices. Next, he turned to his younger son, who was only eight years old. The boy envied his brother for all the games he could play and all of the sports he could do so well. When asked what he would like, he made one simple request. “I would like a box of Tampax Tampons.” The father was shocked, “What in the world do you want a box of tampons for?” he demanded angrily. The po
BingoBoingo: or boy, not knowing he had said something wrong, answered, “With Tampax, you can swim, ski, sky dive, horseback ride and play any sport you want.” ☟︎
shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 582.99, vol: 4393.69972203 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 574.0, vol: 4919.28234 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 585.02, vol: 24067.8588035 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 555.0, vol: 0.77274996 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 590.267587, vol: 40758.68420000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 584.0, vol: 865.37277869 | Volume-weighted last average: 587.017837765
asciilifeform: 'Hey there! My name is Jacob Appelbaum. I'm pretty famous for stealing other people's research and putting my own name on it. I also spend a lot of my time pretending to be a badass hacker, but actually I can only barely code. I enjoy using my social capital, influence, and power in order to manipulate other people into getting what I want. From all that, it's pretty clear that I'm awesome! However, in several communities, I'm perhap ☟︎
asciilifeform: s better known for my abuse of other people — sexually, emotionally, and physically.'
asciilifeform: lel
asciilifeform: and, what, his shithub key just 'happened' to leak, this piece was planted therein, usgarchive.org just 'happened' to cache the page right before deleted, etc. ?
shinohai: ^
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course this is a credibility washing exercise. Why do you think they stack the coincidences so high? To build suspicion!
asciilifeform: imho the only interesting mystery here is what it was, that was so loathesome, that even appelbaum refused to do it and had sentence of shitburial carried out. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( nobody executes an asset just for the hell of it. )
asciilifeform: one obvious possibility is that he had second thoughts re pushing the tor chumpatron.
asciilifeform: perhaps not unrelatedly, cryptome appears to be down.
asciilifeform: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cyber-heist-bangladesh-idUSKCN0YR0VN << more swift lulz.
jurov: Qntra shares distributed. gernika: do you know how to get them?
shinohai: ty jurov
jurov: !up gernika
gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.
jurov: $up gernika
deedbot: gernika voiced for 30 minutes.
gernika: jurov: thx. I have an account on coinbr.com. Would that be the best way?
jurov: Yes. just pgp sign the text "I agree." ☟︎
asciilifeform: l0l
gernika: jurov: ok. will be a bit. I'm currently in the process of vomiting out copious amounts of Rails code.
jurov: I need the account name, and whether it should be transferred there automatically from now on.
BingoBoingo: ty jurov
BingoBoingo: Domain khanacademy.org banned from Qntra comments due to egregious spam
asciilifeform: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soorlp << lulz re appelbaum thread
shinohai: TIL Appelbaum is a fruit not only in name.
asciilifeform: lulz from last month: http://www.eastbayexpress.com/SevenDays/archives/2016/05/11/fbi-hid-surveillance-devices-around-alameda-county-courthouse
asciilifeform: 'Federal agents planted hidden microphones and conducted secret video surveillance at Alameda County’s Rene C. Davidson Courthouse for ten months, despite having no court warrant. The surveillance operation was part of an investigation into alleged bid rigging at foreclosed property auctions where thousands of houses and apartment buildings were sold by banks.'
asciilifeform: moar american l0ltr0n1cs, http://www.courierpostonline.com/story/money/nation-now/2016/06/06/man-sued-30k-over-40-printer-he-sold-craigslist/85478168
asciilifeform: 'What the 66-year-old Massachusetts man didn't know then is that he would spend the next 6 ½ years embroiled in a complicated and confusing legal dispute in Indiana over that printer, which, according to its buyer, was broken. He would find himself liable for about $30,000 in damages. He would pay a lawyer at least $12,000 in his battle to escape the legal mess. And it all started with a piece of hardware he sold online for about $4
asciilifeform: 0 in 2009. With shipping and other costs, the total was less than $75, according to court records. The printer's buyer was Gersh Zavodnik, a 54-year-old Indianapolis man known to many in the legal community as a frequent lawsuit filer who also represents himself in court. The Indiana Supreme Court said the "prolific, abusive litigant" has brought dozens of lawsuits against individuals and businesses, often asking for astronomical dam
asciilifeform: ages. Most, according to court records, involve online sales and transactions.'
shinohai: Wonder if he has ever sued a hooker from clist because her snatch wasn't tight enough.
deedbot: [Qntra] VK Falls To Peace - http://qntra.net/2016/06/vk-falls-to-peace/
shinohai: Peace is a busy I guy, I do say.
shinohai: http://bcoin.io/browser.html <<< ridiculous app of the day
trinque: Please do not abuse the ws->tcp proxy. << what could go wrong
asciilifeform: 'This will create a real full node in your browser: your browser will connect to the p2p network and do all of the block verification/serving.' << l0l suuuure. ☟︎
shinohai: And ... i got banned for making > 20 requests to browser.bitcoin.io
shinohai: *browser.bcoin.io
asciilifeform: win.
shinohai: ec2-52-10-144-121.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com - what a surprise
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/oracle-whistleblower-suit-raises-questions-over-cloud-accounting-n586276 << possible qntralulz
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'Blackburn's lawsuit accuses Oracle management of pushing her to "fit square data into round holes" to make Oracle's cloud services' results look better. She alleges that her bosses instructed her to add millions of dollars of accruals for expected business "with no concrete or foreseeable billing to support the numbers."'
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/PxH
gribble: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: [Qntra] Africa Travel Entrepreneur Arrested - http://qntra.net/2016/06/africa-travel-entrepreneur-arrested/
trinque: forgot category "Altcoins"
jurov: russia ftw! http://www.spletnik.ru/buzz/showbiz/67701-valeriya-tizer-telo-khochet-lyubvi.html
BingoBoingo: lol
asciilifeform: lel does jurov regularly read trashy ru tabloidz ??
jurov: no i have some russians on fb that do.. some stuff they dredge up is so funny
asciilifeform: i have nfi what is interesting re the linked piece
jurov: she looks pretty.. used
asciilifeform: noshit
jurov: on another day, from a discussion whether one should come home to moscow: ну да. Баня, шашлык, фистинг
asciilifeform: l0l
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 415113 | Current Difficulty: 1.99312067531243E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 415295 | Next Difficulty In: 182 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
trinque: til "fisting" in russian
trinque: l0l
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477591 << you know the one with the loudmouths in the desert ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-06 04:56 BingoBoingo: or boy, not knowing he had said something wrong, answered, “With Tampax, you can swim, ski, sky dive, horseback ride and play any sport you want.”
BingoBoingo: Haven't heard it
mircea_popescu: so there's a bunch of various people gangsta as fuck at the poker room of this casino of this retirement community that had originally been built in what was a us state but meanwhile was lost in some desert.
mircea_popescu: there's an ex-kgb ex-plutocrat dude ; there's an ex-yale ex-vc dude ; there's this dude used to run arms for rice in somalia ; and finally there's a rapper dude.
mircea_popescu: so they keep you know, fucking around, telling each other stories from back in their respective days
mircea_popescu: and eventually they decide to go for a ride in the desert
mircea_popescu: as an adventure, like.
mircea_popescu: except they're all old and inept and ineffectual, they take this "suv" that's really running on a qcw-50 engine and take no water and whatever.
mircea_popescu: so a coupla hours later they're fucking stranded, and about to die, when this genie shows up
mircea_popescu: and the genie's all "of all the dumb fucks wandering in here ever since the injuns figured out how to half'n'half a buffalo, you're easiest the dumbest fucks"
mircea_popescu: "why you're so dumb i'd be loath to separate you from humanity. here, say where you each wanna go and i'll take you there, as an act of mercy (for you)".
mircea_popescu: so you know, one goes back to moscow, the other goes back to wherever the fuck
mircea_popescu: finally, rapper's turn. "what about you ?"
mircea_popescu: "well... all my friends are gone...i'm so lonely... listen, why don't you bring them back to me ?"
shinohai: (-__-)
asciilifeform: lel
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: o btw asciilifeform wanna hear my inept symmetric encryption scheme ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: aha?
mircea_popescu: select a, b and c and take N=(a + sqrt(b)) / c so that N > 1 ; N < 2. for any message M, deflate, crc and split it up in two fragments a b so that neither is larger than 2/3 of M ; to encrypt calculate a^N*b ; b^N*a and pass those.
asciilifeform: a,b,c,N integers?
mircea_popescu: a b and c integers. N no way.
asciilifeform: ah yeah
asciilifeform: so what is N physically?
mircea_popescu: the idea being that in principle there should exist a set a b c so as to turn any encrypted text into ~any text you wish it to be
mircea_popescu: N is a small irrational.
asciilifeform: yes but how is it sat down physically
mircea_popescu: as a f(a,b,c) ?
mircea_popescu: or ?
asciilifeform: as an a,b,c triplet of integers ?
mircea_popescu: yea
asciilifeform: this is similar to 'encrypting' using offsets into pi.
mircea_popescu: well it's algebraic
asciilifeform: numerically manipulating irrationals is not any more algebraic than diddling pi.
mircea_popescu: tru
mircea_popescu: just saying, it's going to be either equations or else... "boxes" or wtf.
mircea_popescu: that's what aes did to try and escape "oh it's just maff", "fine we'll implement control structures".
asciilifeform: snake oil with 1,001 ingredients of great rarity and exquisite alchemical aesthetic is still... snake oil.
mircea_popescu: right. which is what i'm saying : if you're into ditching snake oil, you'll have to come to equations.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
asciilifeform: but it'll have to be a) something you can actually do repeatably on a digital computer + b) based on some reasonably compact hardness assumption
mircea_popescu: now in principle if P, Q are the encrypted chunks, (P/Q)^(1/(N-1)) and (Q/P)^(1/(N-1)) yields the message.
mircea_popescu: and these trivially have any roots you wish them to have if you parametrize N
asciilifeform: (we have no crypto based on provably-hard cases of provably-hard problem. we have ~some~ crypto based on lousy cases of suspected-hard problem. we have MEGATONNES of crapto based on fuck knows what fuck knows whether problem at all.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in order for above to hold true, N must have equal 'mass' to M
asciilifeform: and you have reinvented otp !!
mircea_popescu: fine. CLOSE ENOUGH!
asciilifeform: all roadz lead to otp.
asciilifeform: possibly because it is the one item which actually works with no ifs, ands, buts.
asciilifeform: butyoucan'tsignwithit.
mircea_popescu: still. N could be something like 3kb and the scheme'd be still workable.
asciilifeform: ends up reducing to difficulty of discrete log problem
asciilifeform: same as dh, elgamal, cramershoup.
mircea_popescu: mno, because you don't actually have something to solve.
asciilifeform: in ANY case other than otp, you have something to solve.
mircea_popescu: suppose you know P and Q. ok. what now ? you can't actually calculate N.
asciilifeform: if 1 message.
asciilifeform: if 2+ - can solve.
asciilifeform: because trivially 2 points.
asciilifeform: this is again true of any system that isn't otp.
mircea_popescu: even if 2 messages.
mircea_popescu: i've not done the actual math, per N size, but there's entire classes of messages that "could" work. you won't get enough precision until you have MANY messages.
asciilifeform: in practice you get 1 'yes this is an actual message' and maxint turds.
asciilifeform: just like hash collisions.
mircea_popescu: no because deflate and crc.
mircea_popescu: CRC! it's supposed to be lossy. deliberately.
asciilifeform: what's lossy here ?
mircea_popescu: weaponized, this would fuck up say 1 in 20 messages it'd be so taut.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rounds P, Q to some degree.
asciilifeform: seems like mircea_popescu is reinventing 'padding', that is, dilating message space
mircea_popescu: well not reinventing, but obviously will be needed for any practical scheme.
asciilifeform: it isn't magic - you can still distinguish plausible cyphertexts from rubbish, it just takes more cycles.
mircea_popescu: yeah. but this is a lot more expensive sort of cycling than you know, hashing.
mircea_popescu: course i guess that's all happenstance, nsa starts building long divisor processors.
asciilifeform: you can trivially do it in any ciphersystem by shamir-splitting message into K fragments of which you need J
asciilifeform: and sending the lot.
asciilifeform: as noisily as you like.
mircea_popescu: or this.
asciilifeform: method is ages old.
asciilifeform: and everybody pretty much uses fpga clusters for actual cryptoanalysis anyway. so elaborate 'let's zap the miners' trickery is ~pointless.
asciilifeform: you want actual hard trapdoor problems.
asciilifeform: if they even exist.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, i dun have THAT.
asciilifeform: i still can't fully swallow how there is this entire field that isn't certain whether it exists or is simply smelling own farts.
mircea_popescu: has ~same problem as physics.
asciilifeform: far worse.
asciilifeform: picture if every time 'mars didn't rise on schedule' ALL BRIDGES FELL.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-07#1294009 << this being the reason. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-10-07 13:41 mircea_popescu realises that probably no one else's light went off when alf was getting all excited about vmath that what he was seeing really was "omfg, usable molecular chem."
asciilifeform: i find it also very interesting that all aes-like ('boxes') cryptosystems are direct descendants of rotor machines. which were known to be pseudoscientific even when first built, as vernam existed ☟︎
asciilifeform: but 'omg!1111111 inconvenient!11111 can't reuse key!11'
mircea_popescu: it's because there's no option : either algebra ; or else "control structures".
asciilifeform: or otp.
jurov: can't we abuse polynomial roots somehow for proven trapdoor function? Like, Abel–Ruffini theorem proves you can't solve certain polynomials algebraically
asciilifeform: jurov: easy trap to fall in
mircea_popescu: jurov if we could i wish i knew it.
asciilifeform: see thread about 'particular cases'
asciilifeform: all that anybody ever proved is that you can't solve ALL CASES of something.
asciilifeform: particular case can be as simple as you like. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and often you have 0 control of this when generating key.
asciilifeform: which is why there are entire encyclopaedias of np-complete problems, but none of them have been used in a working cryptosystem
mircea_popescu: though some material recently linked made a very good point : "np complete" and other hardness discussions aren't even meaningful here. the term refers to WORST CASE, not to average case or anything.
asciilifeform: one simple example that i played with in the winter is 'graph clique problem'
mircea_popescu: saying "x is np hard" is like saying "the us is rich". everyone you meet there is still fucking poor.
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu gets it.
mircea_popescu: so we likely need to re-do the hardness measurements anyway, from a crypto pov ; to use it in a crypto pov.
asciilifeform: it is not remotely enough that problem is hard in ~general case~, you have to be able to ascertain that ~your particular case~ is hard.
asciilifeform: you need an avg case proof.
asciilifeform: and even this does not necessarily suffice.
mircea_popescu: the current discussion is from a "in house algebraicist" considering his job, "what's the worst that can come up when the suits decide to solve X"
mircea_popescu: but, that said : the principles to be built upon are exactly the "well, i can solve this any way you want" said the cracker to eve. hence, stuff like polynomial roots are very respectable idea.
asciilifeform: in practice opponent ~always~ knows something about the message space.
asciilifeform: the only genuine 'can solve in ANY way' is in otp.
asciilifeform: where the space is ENTIRELY flat.
mircea_popescu: that's the bitch now innit. that's at least what i was longfaced about earlier, "in practical eavesdropping you don't EVER care about message integrity. if your algebraic cyrptosystem is porous to someone saying "bring me all messages that discuss ALEODOR" or whatever, and then he can discern something about them - say that ALL possible forms of one use it in the negative - you're still as fucked as a three year old in a pedo
mircea_popescu: bath."
mircea_popescu: and there's absolutely no way that i can guarantee when drawing up the math of the cypher, that "all uses of symbol X will always be ambiguous in the space" or w/e dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: which is starting to explain how chinese ended up chinese rather than a proper language.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477594 << is this the new dekulakization ? "oh, prof sanders didn't even do anything, it was black women all along" ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-06 15:01 asciilifeform: 'Hey there! My name is Jacob Appelbaum. I'm pretty famous for stealing other people's research and putting my own name on it. I also spend a lot of my time pretending to be a badass hacker, but actually I can only barely code. I enjoy using my social capital, influence, and power in order to manipulate other people into getting what I want. From all that, it's pretty clear that I'm awesome! However, in severa
mircea_popescu: take patriarchy white man's "house of thought" give it to some rats ?
asciilifeform: that was the plan for 100+ yrs.
asciilifeform: and yes appelbaum was a demolition job. but i have nfi what for.
asciilifeform: presumably he disobeyed an order.
jurov: i dunno, polynomials are studied long enough so that some could be proved insolvable
asciilifeform: jurov: try to understand what 'proven insolvable' means
mircea_popescu: jurov you recall that story with the trains and the fly ?
asciilifeform: for one thing, you need to have the solution to a case of problem to use it as crypto. otherwise you could 'elementary proof of fermat's conjecture is the key!'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-21#930274 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-21 01:38 mircea_popescu: well anyway : two trains moving on the same track leave simultaneously 29 miles apart, one doing 5mph the other 7mp. a fly caugh between them flies straight until it reaches a train then turns back and recurses, doing 9mph.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh incidentally, node coloring! what's that called ?
asciilifeform: and http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-23#932035 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-23 06:19 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i was reading a circa-1958 issue of american magazine 'popular science', and guess what was in it - http://imgur.com/mZnf775
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: node colouring. there is a whole motherfucking book of them.
asciilifeform: but they ALL have same problem.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: brb ima eat.
asciilifeform: i'ma off to anti-eat (exercises) brb.
mircea_popescu: in other news i finally replaced a rather loud psu. life's good! ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477600 << not altogether an idle question. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-06 15:10 asciilifeform: imho the only interesting mystery here is what it was, that was so loathesome, that even appelbaum refused to do it and had sentence of shitburial carried out.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477612 <<< gpg-shotgun marriage! :D ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-06 15:54 jurov: Yes. just pgp sign the text "I agree."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477631 << popcorn popping directly in browser when. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-06 18:22 asciilifeform: 'This will create a real full node in your browser: your browser will connect to the p2p network and do all of the block verification/serving.' << l0l suuuure.
BingoBoingo: In other news, in spite of being broke the Illinois government is about to resurrect its program to reintroduce Aligator Gar. I am thrilled!
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
BingoBoingo: 8 foot long very toothy fish.
BingoBoingo: Very delicious as poor man's substitute for crab in crab cakes.
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/tyG0C
mircea_popescu: lol "him in our time"
shinohai: http://www.alternet.org/sex-amp-relationships/why-trans-porn-hugely-popular-among-hetero-men "The people of Brazil, Italy, Argentina, and Russia appear to be the most likely to watch trans porn."
mircea_popescu: dude gtfo, trans porn is interesting in the same sense any other gore is interesting.
mircea_popescu: just because people turn heads when passing crashes doesn't mean running car into wall is "a sexuality"
BingoBoingo: Stahp invalidating the experiences of the Impactualsexuals
mircea_popescu: speaking of sexual offal, why is it that all the marginal women ~nobody'd give the time of day imagine they "speak for all of us", ie, somehow represent femaleness an' womanhood ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it's the weirdest shit of all time.
shinohai: I was thinking more of hire 4-5 trannys from backpage, ship sex vids to aforementioned countries. Profit.
mircea_popescu: you got a better shot selling eulora merchandizing.
deedbot: [Qntra] High Profile Likely Hilary Voter Arrested For DUI In California - http://qntra.net/2016/06/high-profile-likely-hilary-voter-arrested-for-dui-in-california/
BingoBoingo: ^ Moar sexual offal
mircea_popescu: deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/46c02139-d44f-4d12-9eb8-03939b75d416/
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/46c02139-d44f-4d12-9eb8-03939b75d416/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: trinque halps ?