mircea_popescu: !!up nicknaem
deedbot: nicknaem voiced for 30 minutes.
nicknaem: hello
nicknaem: I must say, the not naming myself thing kind of got under my skin
mircea_popescu: o it did ?
nicknaem: yeah
nicknaem: you know, I agree on many things you write
nicknaem: so there is some truth in it
nicknaem: i dont hate the world though
nicknaem: nor my parents etc
mircea_popescu: well if you're patient enough im penning a reply to your latest comment so we can continue from there
mircea_popescu: rather than dribble it in chat.
nicknaem: sure
mircea_popescu: there you go nicknaem
asciilifeform: a111 [~a111@unaffiliated/phf/bot/a111] has quit [Quit: ...] << phf??
BingoBoingo: In other ancient ocean sludge https://archive.is/d5w1Z
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/vessenes-gox-drama-continues/ << Qntra - Vessenes Gox Drama Continues
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2017/feminine-exceptionalism/ << The Whet - Feminine Exceptionalism
davout: looks like the log's not werking
mircea_popescu: which one ?
BingoBoingo: phf's a111 is offline per fleanode
mircea_popescu: thanks goodness we have two.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-1-25#b8eb36e5-0db2-4784-87b6-c9c385da5e0f << three!
ben_vulpes: davout: ^^
mircea_popescu: three ?
mircea_popescu: nice.
ben_vulpes: even has search, although a very naive postgres full-text, not the "omfg exactly like grep" asciilifeform made phf build
mircea_popescu: lol
ben_vulpes: and with that i'm going back to the rocket stove
davout: ben_vulpes: nice, the colors burn my eyes, but nice nonetheless
Framedragger: very nice log btw ben_vulpes!
Framedragger: redundancy ftw
Framedragger: awesome colours, too
ben_vulpes: ty
ben_vulpes: davout: no accounting for taste
davout: most useful word of the kreol morisyen language: "pena"
davout: "we don't have", "there's non"
davout: *none
davout: protip if one ever tries to order food there: ask what they have, don't waste your time trying to order fancy shit like "a burger", "a wrap" or any other nonsense
davout: usually ends up in their fucking fried noodles
mircea_popescu: now we understand how the pacific islanders invented what later came to be known as us sizes.
mircea_popescu slathers even more beouf salad on top of lovingly homemade sourdough. you know that's real mayo, made by hand out eggs yes ? and that the womenz cook every day or else there's terrible consequences ? o look, there's half a pot of delicious soup! maybe i'll order some pie. which means - i say make pie, they make pie.
mircea_popescu: if i had to order out in this shithole i'd have shot someone. did i ever tell you about the "sushi ya!" order which showed up THREE HOURS later ? idiots were VERY surprised nobody's taking their bs.
trinque: the hell's this guy talking about, cursive text? nicknaem, you need to go spend some time on a ranch chopping off chicken heads / slitting pig throats or something http://trilema.com/2017/how-to-deal-with-little-girls/#selection-141.1143-141.1263
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i expect he collapsed from exhaustion
trinque: it's pretty cool; when the grocery stores close these people will last what, 3 wks?
mircea_popescu: depends on the women.
mircea_popescu: anyway in other news it seems historical necessity is prevailing, trump is gonna forge an alliance with russia over everyone's objections.
mircea_popescu: "October 2015, scientists at the University of New South Wales announced the successful design of a single-atom qubit 3D silicon chip architecture, making significant progress toward building a full-scale, operational Quantum Computer."
mircea_popescu: what the fuck does the word soup even mean.
mircea_popescu: totally, ignorance occurs when language fails.
mircea_popescu: "While the last two decades have seen unambiguous experimental progress developing the science of Quantum Computation, there has never been a feasible, physical architecture developed upon which to scale-up the actual Computer itself. Not until today. Further, the success of specifically a ~silicon~ chip architecture now ensures that existing manufacturing facilities and processes can be more-easily upgraded" (emphasis his).
mircea_popescu: how the fuck does this pass someone's filter ? so the dorks trying to push a scam decided the one thing that'd best improve the flavour of credibility would be spurious relation to existing practice, so now it's SILICON quantum computers, and you buy this, and even underline it of your own volition, as if it were a thing just because you wish it to be ?
mircea_popescu: miracle cures! now with LABCOATS! hurr!
mircea_popescu: silicone is used in electronics because of specific properties of its crystal lattice (it acts as a good substrate for dopants, resulting in nonlinear circuit elements). there's exactly nothing that recommends it over something like aerogel, or someone's stained tie, for the purpose of "quantum computing"
mircea_popescu: "From left to right Dr Matthew House, Sam Hile (seated), Scientia Professor Sven Rogge and Scientia Professor Michelle Simmons of the ARC Centre of Excellence for Quantum Computation and Communication Technology at UNSW. Credit: Deb Smith, UNSW Australia" << fucking imagine that.
mircea_popescu: SCIENTIA professors.
mircea_popescu: "The great thing about this work, and architecture, is that it gives us an endpoint. We now know exactly what we need to do in the international race to get there." << the international race! endpoint!
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna bet the only time we'll ever hear of any of those involved is when either the youthful dorks finally obtain the coveted (if meaningless) SCIENTIA title, or else when the two older farmhand looking idiots finally get their scientia-cum-laurels-and-hitler's-own-dinerfork-buttplug certificates ?
mircea_popescu: "In the team's conceptual design, they have moved from a one-dimensional array of qubits, positioned along a single line, to a two-dimensional array, positioned on a plane that is far more tolerant to errors. This qubit layer is "sandwiched" in a three-dimensional architecture, between two layers of wires arranged in a grid."
mircea_popescu: this comes from phys.org by the way, if anyone was about to take that mfa seriously.
mircea_popescu: anyway, https://archive.is/0yq1G is the actual published item if anyone cares. tl;dr : dorks aware of which side bread is buttered created a silicone lattice with captive phosphorus on a plane, put wires on top and bottom and can now pump electrons into the so captured phosphorus. this DOES SOMETHING (tm).
mircea_popescu: principally what it does is that it requires intricate production and then to be kept < 0.001 kelvin and such wonders.
mircea_popescu: o right, also need a 2T field on at all times.
mircea_popescu: but jay b huwieler ain't got no time to read the fucking article he's linked the (horrible) summary of, nor to understand wtf maintaining a 2T field costs, or for that matter milikelvin temperatures. fuck that, "now ensures that existing manufacturing facilities and processes can be more-easily upgraded to mass-produce quantum computational devices (QCD), in turn ostensibly reducing the time-to-market estimate for enterprise
mircea_popescu: and consumer QCD offerings."
mircea_popescu: imagine that, mass produced consumer items doing a magnetic flux density of 2 tesla!
mircea_popescu: (the "strongest magnet in teh werld" title goes to something in the 20-30 T range ; it cost millions to build, it takes six oxen to drag around so on)
mircea_popescu: as a bonus, ofcourse, hitachi pretty much owns neodymium magnets, and china pretty much owns everything to do with all the other rare earths also.
mircea_popescu: !~google react program
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: React .js Program: <http://reactjsprogram.com/>; Missouri REACT Program -Required Educational Assessment and ...: <http://www.dwiprograms.com/id35.htm>; Safety Council of Greater St Louis | SATOP/ REACT Programs: <http://www.stlsafety.org/satop-react-programs>
mircea_popescu: heh ok.
mircea_popescu: anyway, check him out, everyone wants his porn industry to be "the reliable bridge" between "pure STEM R&D" and "free market consumerism". everyone's a tindr, getting the weird shy boys in the slimy wet bed of expectant females, dontchakno. hurr durr an' a bottle o' dross.
mircea_popescu: "Currently, one mechanism the DoD has at its disposal domestically is Department of Homeland Security Presidential Directive 7 (protecting infrastructure deemed critical to National Security). If the most immediate application of QC is harvesting foreign government secrets by breaking intercepted data of its classical encryption then the QCD itself clearly falls under HSPD 7. Another option is that if QC were to be used with
mircea_popescu: AI to power unauthorized access against foreign state and non-state actors, then both code and design could be interpreted as defense items. Then it could fall under Title 50 of US Code, appear on the United States Munitions List, Category XVII (Classified Articles, Technical Data, and Defense Services Not Otherwise Enumerated) and therefore be subject the Arms Export Control Act. Once under DoD control those examples of QC c
mircea_popescu: ode, design, and technical datum would likely be further controlled by classification at the TOP SECRET level with some kind of Alternate Compensatory Control Measure specific to QC and QCW."
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: ok, ok, i'm done befouling the logs. such insanity.
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/yXziR << excelent diagnosis piece as to how the chanting hordes of the blue state managed to fuck up things wrt munitions. it's a fine complement to http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/#selection-113.485-113.615
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/yXziR#selection-2965.0-2977.49 is the paydirt.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D9AD9D8BC1CA4501EDDCD7082644E3F06851B3F793BC05FD08A2953D5E42275C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1684...3763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (apelserv.de. DE BE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D9AD9D8BC1CA4501EDDCD7082644E3F06851B3F793BC05FD08A2953D5E42275C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1602...1369 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (apelserv.de. DE BE)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606472 << fwiw you can get ~5T from a halbach array (unrefrigerated permanent magnet)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 12:13 mircea_popescu: o right, also need a 2T field on at all times.
asciilifeform: it's how desktop nmr box worx.
mircea_popescu: i thought the alloy perma ones do about .5
asciilifeform: 5 with spherical rig.
mircea_popescu: some other empire will have to do that, this one seems to cap out at plastic 200W electric driller
asciilifeform: it's an off the shelf thing, go an' buy as many as you like.
mircea_popescu: while china ships
asciilifeform: naturally.
asciilifeform: (i cannot speak for folx living in other monkeystans, but over here even shoelaces will remain available strictly while-china-ships)
mircea_popescu: so how much is one of these 5T itemz ?
asciilifeform: http://www.duramag.com << vendor picked blindly. go ahead and ask'em...
mircea_popescu: just idle curiosity.
asciilifeform: then divide by 10 and get the nonamerican price.
mircea_popescu: oh, not really consumer grade ? more than 20 byux ?
asciilifeform: if i had to guess the actual unit cost, i'd put it at couple of hundy.
mircea_popescu: dude huy-something from the us-still-thinks-it-matters dept told me ima get it in my wristwatch!
asciilifeform: who the hell needed a konsoomer nmr magnet again?!
asciilifeform: is this the sr dope testing crackpottery again..?
asciilifeform catches up on l0gz
mircea_popescu: you've not been following along, there's a department of us army intelligentsia which is putting together an anally insertable quantum computer out of 2T and 0.001 kelvin
asciilifeform: aaaaah it's http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606329☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 06:09 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606239 << d00d has some rather surreal 'thousand year usg reich' wtf, e.g., https://huwieler.net/2015/10/30/quantum-cyber-warfare-the-defense-policy-we-dont-have-but-should/
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: kosoomer qc wtf.
asciilifeform: usg really, really wants the wunderwaffen.
trinque: fusion powered emdrive starship with quantum computing cargo knapsacker!1!11
asciilifeform: (naturally it would be approx. as useless as alchemy would have been, had it worked to spec, and much more quickly so)
mircea_popescu: aww
asciilifeform: then again they have ~30 yrs of rsa traffic to wank over
mircea_popescu: the notion of "quantum computing" is possibly the most idiotic thing on the table today.
mircea_popescu: really, bitch, they're gonna do what you want ? because why.
asciilifeform: it's a screamingly single-purpose (hypothetical) mechanism.
mircea_popescu: im hard pressed to deliberately compose something more autistically idiotic.
asciilifeform: dunno, some of the fusion concepts come close.
mircea_popescu: literally, mana from heaven is not a more contortedly i-read-penthouse-in-physics-class
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i hold they are not, for the following reason : the nonsense of contained cold fusion rests on mechanical problems, ie, the plasma expands and therefore cools too fast. at least we have SOME TOOLS to do mechanical work with. like you know, a fulcrum. perhaps the plasma could be put in a fulcrum somehow ? or maybe with cogs ? dunno, should at least investigate.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the problem with quantum computing is in the fucking name. we have NO tools to do quantum work with. none. we've never heard of one existing, we can't conceive how one'd even work, if it did, which it doesn't, because it doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: we even have a multitude of strong statements of impossibility all converging towards a hearty "fuck you" located at the core of this concept
asciilifeform: NO tools << e.g., spin valve, exists. there's one in your hdd.
mircea_popescu: there isn't even a measuring tool ; we have nfi if any observed effect is even anything.
mircea_popescu: because no, excitation levels aren't "quantum" in the sense contemplated here.
asciilifeform: nobody invents alchemy when there 'are no tools.' alchemies happen when you got the tools, but not the knowing-wtf-you-are-doing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how exactly do you propose the spin valve is related to the "qubits" business ?
asciilifeform: it is as related as 12th century retort was related to turning lead to gold.
mircea_popescu: for the same money "we have" the process whereby glass can be rendered transparent or opaque through recrystalization
mircea_popescu: what, that also ?
asciilifeform: as for 'how to even know whether it works', that one's easy. qc is strictly a wunderwaffen for breaking rsa. if it breaks rsa -- it worx. otherwise, not.
asciilifeform: nobody cares ~how~.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how to meaningfully discuss it in terms of time, but i am willing to bet anything that the leap between $current-situation and $quantum-computing is larger not just than the alchemy-to-cyclotron gap, but actually larger than all extant science.
asciilifeform: conceivably.
mircea_popescu: it takes more cognition to go from pottery to desktop nrm than to go from desktop nrm to that sort of parallel computation.
asciilifeform: but politically the situation has an obscenely close resemblance to alchemy
asciilifeform: idiot rulers throwing $maxint at it, in hopes that somethig -- ANYTHING -- works
asciilifeform: and are quite content to fund random stabs in the dark, or even outright charlatans
mircea_popescu: in that sense i propose the MP Certainty, which says that it will NEVER happen. ie, at no point in the history of humanity will it be cheaper to break rsa through "quantum computing" than through electronic computing.
mircea_popescu: and this includes situations 100k years in the future where qc ie quantum communication is actually used. computing, not so much, for the ~same reasons.
asciilifeform: i'll point out, largely for n00bz, that we do not in fact know whether breaking rsa is hard.
mircea_popescu: yes, but that didn't enter into the above.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'quantum communication' is golden toilet nonsense, for the cost of building the link, you can perma-sync a thousand years of OTP.
asciilifeform: and use ordinary copper/fiber
mircea_popescu: anyway, re qc, bonus lulz for the huy-guy : so the chinese are trying to do it over satellites, because currently it's been demonstrated over much shorter distances. and the dod bright lightbulb (seriously, he is probably the smartest guy there, seeing how he has a blog) went "oh, this would allow safe key transfer, well tell you what, the army could DoS the system!"
mircea_popescu: fancy that wonder, he's going to intervene in quantum field.
asciilifeform: btw magnetic tape really shines in otp-land. it costs a penny a GB, and you can trivially write two tapes identically with same head (plugged into rng naturally), AND -- bonus -- can destroy it immediately when it comes out of read head.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not discussing practical utility, merely that it makes sense from a technical perspective. unlike the other thing.
mircea_popescu: but - yes.
asciilifeform: (there is no conceivable reason to put otp on expensive, non-disposable random-access disks, other than not having anything better)
mircea_popescu: yeah
asciilifeform: even the humble steel wire recorder, ancestor of magnetophone, could easily come back as a practical thing.
asciilifeform: demagnetize when it emerges from read head with that selfsame halbach magnet.
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/IkPjo#selection-417.364-421.293 << direct link to the butthurt in question
phf: FUCKGOATS extension board..
mircea_popescu: "oh, if the chinese do qke, the us army will... have to find a way to diddle all keys in subatomic transit"
mircea_popescu: mmkay.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, it's what they picked for 'how to deal with pgp'
mircea_popescu: totally worked.
asciilifeform: when monkey can only throw shit -- he throws shit.
asciilifeform: what else can he throw.
mircea_popescu: "Jump forward to 2030, give them the benefit, and assume that Beijing can securely distribute quantum encryption keys that cannot be broken. Can they guarantee that by 2030 their average Soldier will be any less susceptible to phishing attacks and won’t click on links embedded in unsolicited emails?"
mircea_popescu: gee whiz. i dunno.
mircea_popescu: maybe we should have a teat pulling sit-in over this.
asciilifeform: (finishing touch on the otp subthread : the mega-virtue of steel wire vs magnetic tape, is that you can heat it to its curie point for rapid-zapping, without creating smoking, melted mess. so good emergency erase -- just put current through the spool.)
mircea_popescu: actually, some proper made flash tape would also work great
mircea_popescu: one spark and bam
asciilifeform: thermite already exists. but there are distinct advantages to non-pyrotechnic key zapping.
asciilifeform: (e.g., not setting your house on fire , in even of false alarm. and not requiring massive asbestos chest. etc)
asciilifeform: *event
asciilifeform: ideal eraser is probably a 'belt and suspenders' approach, where the wire is pulled through neodymium magnet (with hand crank backup) but meanwhile a pancake magnet is lowered onto the spool (for rapid, though imperfect, erase, in case there is not time to wind the entire tape) and at the same time current is run through the steel wire, if a current source is available.
asciilifeform: or heat with chemical heater (as used in american army rations).
phf: (just as long as the final device looks like this http://museumofmagneticsoundrecording.org/images/R2R/WebsterChicago78a.jpg )
asciilifeform: you want a zap that cannot be cancelled, even by mechanically separating the 'zapper' from the payload with explosive.
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/01/25/feelings-are-helpful-but-not-for-idiots/ << Ossasepia - Feelings are helpful, but not for idiots
asciilifeform: phf: or this -- http://www.minoxdoc.com/MVC-002F.JPG
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform really, the "not time" is no considerent.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: probably there is no reason to ever bother with slow zaps.
mircea_popescu: my thought was more along the lines of "if the difference between a second and a minute has a practical effect, there are other broken parts of the whole process that need fixing"
asciilifeform: actually i can think of 1 traditional situation where it does
asciilifeform: the key zap in a fighter jet
mircea_popescu: hm ?
mircea_popescu: you building fighter jets now ?
asciilifeform: where the thing is breaking apart in the air, and potentially on quick collision course with ground
asciilifeform: hey i don't build fusion reactors either.
mircea_popescu: problem solved.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well no, problem not solved, the pieces on the ground can easily have residue of key, if the zapper is mechanically damaged before it can finish zapping.
asciilifeform: which can indeed be a difference of 3 vs 1 sec.
mircea_popescu: you're not building fighters therefore the "other broken parts of the whole process" have been identified and disposed of.
phf: asciilifeform grew up on "Seventeen Moments of Spring", plans his life accordingly
asciilifeform: i don't build jets. but i do live deep behind enemy lines, and will have -- if lucky -- about 5 seconds of time to pull the pin when the door breaks down.
asciilifeform: but certainly no moar than 5.
mircea_popescu: so install some cameras.
asciilifeform: everybody has cameras.
mircea_popescu: and you're wrong, a claymore going off in response to a hammering of the door will postpone the raid by HOURS
asciilifeform: raid yes -- demolition no.
mircea_popescu: ~nothing easier in the world than making a team of us experts shit their pants and spend the rest of the day loitering waiting for "the conversation" to happen.
asciilifeform: (btw usg luuuuvvvs self-immolators, they cut down on paperwork)
mircea_popescu: specificity of diddling again applies. just as long as your response is not categorically identifiable, the empire is stuck in the one place it hates.
trinque: whatever, they love to sit there and piss about importantly on the phone with 300 people surrounding
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda surprised nobody does the claymore security door thing. "if you shock this door... nice knowing you."
asciilifeform: i suspect that all of the folx who did this , are resting in peace/pieces
asciilifeform: (ever have car alarm? it never went off from the wind?)
mircea_popescu: there's a huge space there to pick a threshold.
phf: hmm, i can't recall anyone doing it in the 90s. i think this is a uniquely american problem though, where you can't trust frame to hold the door in place. traditional solution is to simply put the door on welded frame inside a concrete hole, so you will need something better than a claymore to dislodge it
mircea_popescu: phf nah, the idea is you get exactly like current, "security door" except the half inch steel sheet is on the inside, then 3 claymores stacked, then a thin al profile on the outside facing. have a shock detector modeled on 90% of the kinetic delivery of the standard issue us invasion corps battering ram.
mircea_popescu: an earthquake won't do it (too slow).
phf: "front toward enemy"
asciilifeform: phf: the reason why american doors are what they are, is that the house is made of ~cardboard
asciilifeform: does it matter what kind of door, on a paper house /
asciilifeform: ?
asciilifeform: for bonus penetrability, typical american dwelling also has ~massive~ glass door (often, double-width) in the rear.
asciilifeform: why these are built, i cannot say. i suppose americans believe that theft is part of the great circle of life, and burglars are also people, and Need to Eat, etc.
trinque: nah, it's much closer to "I just want to" and govt is responsible for preventing it
asciilifeform: why would anybody want this.
trinque: why indeed. they're obedient creatures and this they're told is of the category of "fancy shit you can bolt to the side of" your house
asciilifeform: i always suspected that the glass doors are a kind of 'fuse'
asciilifeform: cheaper to replace a glass than to drywall a new wall.
asciilifeform: so it is indeed 'designated burglar entrance'
asciilifeform: iirc we had a thread here about ritual concessions to thieves, folx placing car keys where thief will find'em, etc
asciilifeform: unrelatedly: in re the metal lisp thread: http://picolisp.com/wiki/?PilOS << i could not get this to boot. but it is ~exactly what i had in mind (i'd much prefer that it be with a scheme, rather than a crackpot dynamically-scoped 1970s lisp, but the idea is illustrative)
asciilifeform: i have 3 versions of qemu here, all of'em end up with 'read error 9'.
asciilifeform: this is ~universal with crackpot x86 os btw.
asciilifeform: the hardware is so monumentally idiot that even ~emulator~ behaviour is nonstandardized, even between versions of same emulator.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'US urged Britain to keep Trident blunder secret. Obama administration ‘feared missile failure put American nuclear deterrent at risk’.'
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: because why. not like it's not in the logs that they dun werk.
asciilifeform: 'A failure in the data communications system of the US-made weapon system has been blamed. Lockheed Martin, based in Maryland, builds and maintains the missiles.'
mircea_popescu: o wait lm is based in maryland ?
mircea_popescu: i was thinking turkmenistan
asciilifeform: monkeystan
mircea_popescu: i deemed myselg well informed by the nonfakenews outlets.
asciilifeform: further lulz re retardation of x86 -- http://forum.osdev.org/viewtopic.php?t=21720
asciilifeform: ( and bonus gcc idiocy )
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.cs.york.ac.uk/fp/DrIFT/original/History.html >> 'You asked whether naming your software `Haskell Derive' would be satisfactory, and you explained your reasoning for wishing to adopt that name. We believe that we understand your reasoning, but the critical point is that including `Derive' as part of your software's name in *any* manner is not permissible. That fact is not
asciilifeform: changed by adding other words to `Derive', nor by your belief that the word `derive' is an accurate description, using the correct terminology, of the purpose of the software. In pursuit of your academic research project, please rename your software to avoid using `Derive' or any other word that might cause a reasonable likelihood of confusion with `Derive''
mircea_popescu: thisis actually not how it works.
mircea_popescu: schmucks don't own the ~word~ "derive".
asciilifeform: microshit's 'nt' case emboldened derps everywhere
mircea_popescu: ie, yes the case is "reasonable likelihood of confusion", but no this does not mean 'don't use the word'.
asciilifeform: the lulzy bit is that soft-warehouse (makers of subj, and one-time mega-monopoly, they made the only good lisp for msdos pc) was bought by ti and put in a hole, and cement poured.
mircea_popescu: this is ~why fcc-like authorities exist. to forbid the usg to buy and derp like this.
asciilifeform: waiwat, fcc?!
asciilifeform: the usg ministry of radio ?
mircea_popescu: ftc-like*
asciilifeform: usg ministry of chumpatronics ?
mircea_popescu: whatever the thing which goes "your money has no value here"
mircea_popescu: ie if i sold some btc to buy lm and relocate it to turkmenistan
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://archive.is/j41JR >> 'A group of at least seven protesters, apparently with Greenpeace, are scaling a crane in downtown Washington DC in protest at US President Donald Trump. ... the protesters unfurled a 35ft by 75ft banner reading “Resist,” 270ft above the ground. '
mircea_popescu: i feel this will make a lot of difference.
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe they even get laid.
asciilifeform: about same diff as the famous banana
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-17#831998 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-09-17 02:47 asciilifeform: http://www.tpnn.com/2014/08/07/video-russian-laser-show-features-obama-sucking-on-a-banana
phf: that's the most "direct action" any greenpiece activist participated in the past 30 years
asciilifeform: eh aren't these the folx who sink ships when nobody's looking
mircea_popescu: in the 80s
asciilifeform: i suppose ~everything~ went to shit while i slept in the cave. even this.
phf: ^
mircea_popescu recalls a time in the 90s... concidentally at the time the world was last great i was too young to care much about women.
phf: there's this anti-japanese-whaling direct action guy, who got kicked out of greenpiece in the early 2000s for too much direct actioning
mircea_popescu: refused to use a condom!
phf: http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-commentary/commentary/archive/the-truth-about-greenpeace-and-whaling.html
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, if phf or anybody else has a copy of mulisp-90, plz to post.
asciilifeform: 90 specifically.
asciilifeform: (afaik it vanished entirely from www.)
phf: meanwhile at asciilifeform's secret lair http://68.media.tumblr.com/6e282fce49d57f4935f1f7758376fe1b/tumblr_nr4e9kVr2f1tcuhpfo1_500.jpg
asciilifeform: lol engelbart's toiletron
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 891.97, vol: 7048.19700071 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 893.002, vol: 4579.52776 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 892.97, vol: 13180.92448259 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 901.152053, vol: 12709.73980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 896.959, vol: 2646.31761359 | Volume-weighted last average: 895.650120993
trinque: d'oh, I found 86
trinque: http://www.din.uem.br/ia/ferramen/monoparadigmas/lisp/implementacao/mulisp/
asciilifeform: trinque: common as dirt
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0B7BC41BDD6707815C42C207285C3FF4CE0B4FEB78CA44079BD210B7B47D996E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1776...1169 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (vserver26.nfrance.com. FR 31 N)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0B7BC41BDD6707815C42C207285C3FF4CE0B4FEB78CA44079BD210B7B47D996E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...5193 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (vserver26.nfrance.com. FR 31 N)
ben_vulpes: http://pastebin.com/FFSQUML9 << the fiat noose tightens
ben_vulpes: everything must be free except speech
Framedragger: blood, needles, and vampirism
phf: "I appologize [...] I believe we did what we had to do" that's not how appologies work.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: it does contain THE WORD dunnit ?
phf: we have evoked the name of saint apologia, therefore we are above reproach
mircea_popescu: too bad she only blesses people wearing the blessed crocs.
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform's main comp has finally released magic smoke.
asciilifeform: turns out even 'tyan' mobo dun last 4evah.
asciilifeform: 11 yrs.
mats: >Trump orders construction of border wall, moves to increase deportations
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2009/exceptionalismul-feminin/ << translation candidate?
mircea_popescu: hanbot just did that one
ben_vulpes: ah fuq
asciilifeform: source and keep hardware spares, folx. even for 'eternal' iron. don't wait until problem is acute.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: also "perform backups and regularly restore from them"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: goes without saying
asciilifeform: but backup is of very limited use when you've nothing to compute on.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: brain scans are phrenology, not astrology
mircea_popescu: or chiromancy w/e you call i
mircea_popescu: t
ben_vulpes: ah there's the hanbot piece in muhfeeds.
ben_vulpes: okay so i didn't not do my homework yet.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it is interesting, at one point it was possible to source pre-2012 opteron mb quite cheaply, now they are ~gone
asciilifeform: ('socket f' to be specific)
asciilifeform: 'Yes, it was mainly for FetLife's and my protection, and we had to act swiftly. One could easily argue that we didn't move swift enough and that I shouldn't even make this post because something in it might incriminate FetLife or me.' << lel
ben_vulpes: FEAR
asciilifeform: wasn't the whole point of the thing 'like arsebook but UNCENSORED!11!!!!!!232323' ??
ben_vulpes: inb4 Framedragger builds a bitcoin kinknet
asciilifeform: wtf is the point of making umpteenth centralized arsebook.
ben_vulpes: ask him
asciilifeform: 'Historically we've sided more with individual members needs, but what we've learned from recent events is that we need to start putting more weight on the safety of the community, FetLife, and the team behind FetLife - including my personal safety.' << most cowards have at least the virtue of stfu-ing
asciilifeform: not, apparently, this one.
asciilifeform: 'Let's say we move our servers to the newly formed country of Fetopia. The US, UK, Australia, Germany, etc. can still make it difficult for people within their countries' borders to access FetLife. I don't think we would do the community a favor by making FetLife harder to access.'
asciilifeform: ahaha this is gold
asciilifeform: 'Why haven't you embraced Bitcoin to get away from the restrictions of the banks / credit card companies? - We used to accept bitcoins through Coinbase. They dropped us a year ago because we are a kinky site. No joke.'
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/perceived-vs-actual-barriers-to-homeownership-for-young-adults << CH - Perceived vs. actual barriers to homeownership for young adults
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/perceived-vs-actual-barriers-to-homeownership-for-young-adults/comment-page-1#comment-171
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ack
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/hey-kid-want-to-buy-some-verboten-hate-speech << CH - "Hey kid, want to buy some VERBOTEN HATE SPEECH?"
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606341 << optimization strategy is when you have a slow algorithm somewhere in your architecture (you put it there because it was a reasonable tradeoff at the point), but you can replace it with a faster algorithm without leaving too much damage on the architecture (alf calls it "scaring")☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 06:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606322 << you'll have to one day sit down and explain to me exactly what you mean by "optimization strategy".
ben_vulpes: ugh mircea_popescu how do i find the qualia thread in your blog
phf: so if you have a system that you implemented fast, but it's slow, but you know how to now slowly make it fast, you have a strategy. if you're chasing corner cases, running a profiler and get mostly flat distribution, writing in special cases, etc. you don't have one
trinque: ben_vulpes: http://trilema.com/2017/my-ai-problems-a-humble-confession/#comment-121007
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606725 >> scarring ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 21:44 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606341 << optimization strategy is when you have a slow algorithm somewhere in your architecture (you put it there because it was a reasonable tradeoff at the point), but you can replace it with a faster algorithm without leaving too much damage on the architecture (alf calls it "scaring")
ben_vulpes: trinque: ty
ben_vulpes: oh fucking lol
ben_vulpes: in which it is shown that xcode's "find occurences of string in project" ACTUALLY FUCKING DOES NOT
ben_vulpes: WHAT i ask you IS THE POINT of an ultra-heavy IDE that a) cannot tell me where the protocol breakage is during a refactor much less what to do about it b) has a project search SO MISERABLY BAD that a man must revert to grep in order to find ANYTHING
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/perceived-vs-actual-barriers-to-homeownership-for-young-adults/comment-page-1#comment-174
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i find broken ~search~ particularly infuriating, because it is so easy to make a working (i.e. grep-compatible) one
asciilifeform: esp. if you are already lifting a standard unix userland
asciilifeform: and grep is ~there~
asciilifeform: broken searches are nearly always a result of some pathetic piece of shit trying to 'be clever'.
asciilifeform: (and the occasional literate d00d, e.g., phf, naively making use of a library written by 'clever' peopel)
asciilifeform: *people
ben_vulpes: i hear ya
ben_vulpes: i ain't selling "pg fts" as any sort of solution; 'tis largely an experiment in pg search and data modeling.
asciilifeform: what's pgfts?
ben_vulpes: postgres full text search; "some pathetic piece of shit trying to be clever"
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: sounds pretty spartan
asciilifeform: (and what exactly other choices do you have if all of your thing lives in pg)
ben_vulpes: granted, it serves a different problem, "searching documents" with naive user input.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: posix regexes work, i'll see what the performance implications are of using those instead.
ben_vulpes: also phf may i please have the log backups?
asciilifeform bbl -- meat
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how about http://trilema.com/2009/pe-scurt-despre-analiza-tranzactionala/
ben_vulpes: in other gabriel_laddel comments that have babe army swooning: https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/