deedbot: nicknaem voiced for 30 minutes.
nicknaem: I must say, the not naming myself thing kind of got under my skin
nicknaem: you know, I agree on many things you write
mircea_popescu: well if you're patient enough im penning a reply to your latest comment so we can continue from there
davout: looks like the log's not werking
ben_vulpes: even has search, although a very naive postgres full-text, not the "omfg exactly like grep" asciilifeform made phf build
ben_vulpes: and with that i'm going back to the rocket stove
davout: ben_vulpes: nice, the colors burn my eyes, but nice nonetheless
davout: most useful word of the kreol morisyen language: "pena"
davout: "we don't have", "there's non"
davout: protip if one ever tries to order food there: ask what they have, don't waste your time trying to order fancy shit like "a burger", "a wrap" or any other nonsense
davout: usually ends up in their fucking fried noodles
mircea_popescu: now we understand how the pacific islanders invented what later came to be known as us sizes.
mircea_popescu slathers even more beouf salad on top of lovingly homemade sourdough. you know that's real mayo, made by hand out eggs yes ? and that the womenz cook every day or else there's terrible consequences ? o look, there's half a pot of delicious soup! maybe i'll order some pie. which means - i say make pie, they make pie.
mircea_popescu: if i had to order out in this shithole i'd have shot someone. did i ever tell you about the "sushi ya!" order which showed up THREE HOURS later ? idiots were VERY surprised nobody's taking their bs.
trinque: it's pretty cool; when the grocery stores close these people will last what, 3 wks?
mircea_popescu: anyway in other news it seems historical necessity is prevailing, trump is gonna forge an alliance with russia over everyone's objections.
mircea_popescu: "October 2015, scientists at the University of New South Wales announced the successful design of a single-atom qubit 3D silicon chip architecture, making significant progress toward building a full-scale, operational Quantum Computer."
mircea_popescu: "While the last two decades have seen unambiguous experimental progress developing the science of Quantum Computation, there has never been a feasible, physical architecture developed upon which to scale-up the actual Computer itself. Not until today. Further, the success of specifically a ~silicon~ chip architecture now ensures that existing manufacturing facilities and processes can be more-easily upgraded" (emphasis his).
mircea_popescu: how the fuck does this pass someone's filter ? so the dorks trying to push a scam decided the one thing that'd best improve the flavour of credibility would be spurious relation to existing practice, so now it's SILICON quantum computers, and you buy this, and even underline it of your own volition, as if it were a thing just because you wish it to be ?
mircea_popescu: silicone is used in electronics because of specific properties of its crystal lattice (it acts as a good substrate for dopants, resulting in nonlinear circuit elements). there's exactly nothing that recommends it over something like aerogel, or someone's stained tie, for the purpose of "quantum computing"
mircea_popescu: "From left to right Dr Matthew House, Sam Hile (seated), Scientia Professor Sven Rogge and Scientia Professor Michelle Simmons of the ARC Centre of Excellence for Quantum Computation and Communication Technology at UNSW. Credit: Deb Smith, UNSW Australia" << fucking imagine that.
mircea_popescu: "The great thing about this work, and architecture, is that it gives us an endpoint. We now know exactly what we need to do in the international race to get there." << the international race! endpoint!
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna bet the only time we'll ever hear of any of those involved is when either the youthful dorks finally obtain the coveted (if meaningless) SCIENTIA title, or else when the two older farmhand looking idiots finally get their scientia-cum-laurels-and-hitler's-own-dinerfork-buttplug certificates ?
mircea_popescu: "In the team's conceptual design, they have moved from a one-dimensional array of qubits, positioned along a single line, to a two-dimensional array, positioned on a plane that is far more tolerant to errors. This qubit layer is "sandwiched" in a three-dimensional architecture, between two layers of wires arranged in a grid."
mircea_popescu: this comes from phys.org by the way, if anyone was about to take that mfa seriously.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
https://archive.is/0yq1G is the actual published item if anyone cares. tl;dr : dorks aware of which side bread is buttered created a silicone lattice with captive phosphorus on a plane, put wires on top and bottom and can now pump electrons into the so captured phosphorus. this DOES SOMETHING (tm).
mircea_popescu: principally what it does is that it requires intricate production and then to be kept < 0.001 kelvin and such wonders.
mircea_popescu: but jay b huwieler ain't got no time to read the fucking article he's linked the (horrible) summary of, nor to understand wtf maintaining a 2T field costs, or for that matter milikelvin temperatures. fuck that, "now ensures that existing manufacturing facilities and processes can be more-easily upgraded to mass-produce quantum computational devices (QCD), in turn ostensibly reducing the time-to-market estimate for enterprise
mircea_popescu: imagine that, mass produced consumer items doing a magnetic flux density of 2 tesla!
mircea_popescu: (the "strongest magnet in teh werld" title goes to something in the 20-30 T range ; it cost millions to build, it takes six oxen to drag around so on)
mircea_popescu: as a bonus, ofcourse, hitachi pretty much owns neodymium magnets, and china pretty much owns everything to do with all the other rare earths also.
mircea_popescu: anyway, check him out, everyone wants his porn industry to be "the reliable bridge" between "pure STEM R&D" and "free market consumerism". everyone's a tindr, getting the weird shy boys in the slimy wet bed of expectant females, dontchakno. hurr durr an' a bottle o' dross.
mircea_popescu: "Currently, one mechanism the DoD has at its disposal domestically is Department of Homeland Security Presidential Directive 7 (protecting infrastructure deemed critical to National Security). If the most immediate application of QC is harvesting foreign government secrets by breaking intercepted data of its classical encryption then the QCD itself clearly falls under HSPD 7. Another option is that if QC were to be used with
mircea_popescu: AI to power unauthorized access against foreign state and non-state actors, then both code and design could be interpreted as defense items. Then it could fall under Title 50 of US Code, appear on the United States Munitions List, Category XVII (Classified Articles, Technical Data, and Defense Services Not Otherwise Enumerated) and therefore be subject the Arms Export Control Act. Once under DoD control those examples of QC c
mircea_popescu: ode, design, and technical datum would likely be further controlled by classification at the TOP SECRET level with some kind of Alternate Compensatory Control Measure specific to QC and QCW."
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 12:13 mircea_popescu: o right, also need a 2T field on at all times.
mircea_popescu: some other empire will have to do that, this one seems to cap out at plastic 200W electric driller
mircea_popescu: dude huy-something from the us-still-thinks-it-matters dept told me ima get it in my wristwatch!
mircea_popescu: you've not been following along, there's a department of us army intelligentsia which is putting together an anally insertable quantum computer out of 2T and 0.001 kelvin
trinque: fusion powered emdrive starship with quantum computing cargo knapsacker!1!11
mircea_popescu: the notion of "quantum computing" is possibly the most idiotic thing on the table today.
mircea_popescu: really, bitch, they're gonna do what you want ? because why.
mircea_popescu: im hard pressed to deliberately compose something more autistically idiotic.
mircea_popescu: literally, mana from heaven is not a more contortedly i-read-penthouse-in-physics-class
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i hold they are not, for the following reason : the nonsense of contained cold fusion rests on mechanical problems, ie, the plasma expands and therefore cools too fast. at least we have SOME TOOLS to do mechanical work with. like you know, a fulcrum. perhaps the plasma could be put in a fulcrum somehow ? or maybe with cogs ? dunno, should at least investigate.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the problem with quantum computing is in the fucking name. we have NO tools to do quantum work with. none. we've never heard of one existing, we can't conceive how one'd even work, if it did, which it doesn't, because it doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: we even have a multitude of strong statements of impossibility all converging towards a hearty "fuck you" located at the core of this concept
mircea_popescu: there isn't even a measuring tool ; we have nfi if any observed effect is even anything.
mircea_popescu: because no, excitation levels aren't "quantum" in the sense contemplated here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how exactly do you propose the spin valve is related to the "qubits" business ?
mircea_popescu: for the same money "we have" the process whereby glass can be rendered transparent or opaque through recrystalization
mircea_popescu: i dunno how to meaningfully discuss it in terms of time, but i am willing to bet anything that the leap between $current-situation and $quantum-computing is larger not just than the alchemy-to-cyclotron gap, but actually larger than all extant science.
mircea_popescu: it takes more cognition to go from pottery to desktop nrm than to go from desktop nrm to that sort of parallel computation.
mircea_popescu: in that sense i propose the MP Certainty, which says that it will NEVER happen. ie, at no point in the history of humanity will it be cheaper to break rsa through "quantum computing" than through electronic computing.
mircea_popescu: and this includes situations 100k years in the future where qc ie quantum communication is actually used. computing, not so much, for the ~same reasons.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re qc, bonus lulz for the huy-guy : so the chinese are trying to do it over satellites, because currently it's been demonstrated over much shorter distances. and the dod bright lightbulb (seriously, he is probably the smartest guy there, seeing how he has a blog) went "oh, this would allow safe key transfer, well tell you what, the army could DoS the system!"
mircea_popescu: fancy that wonder, he's going to intervene in quantum field.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not discussing practical utility, merely that it makes sense from a technical perspective. unlike the other thing.
phf: FUCKGOATS extension board..
mircea_popescu: "oh, if the chinese do qke, the us army will... have to find a way to diddle all keys in subatomic transit"
mircea_popescu: "Jump forward to 2030, give them the benefit, and assume that Beijing can securely distribute quantum encryption keys that cannot be broken. Can they guarantee that by 2030 their average Soldier will be any less susceptible to phishing attacks and won’t click on links embedded in unsolicited emails?"
mircea_popescu: actually, some proper made flash tape would also work great
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform really, the "not time" is no considerent.
mircea_popescu: my thought was more along the lines of "if the difference between a second and a minute has a practical effect, there are other broken parts of the whole process that need fixing"
mircea_popescu: you're not building fighters therefore the "other broken parts of the whole process" have been identified and disposed of.
phf: asciilifeform grew up on "Seventeen Moments of Spring", plans his life accordingly
mircea_popescu: and you're wrong, a claymore going off in response to a hammering of the door will postpone the raid by HOURS
mircea_popescu: ~nothing easier in the world than making a team of us experts shit their pants and spend the rest of the day loitering waiting for "the conversation" to happen.
mircea_popescu: specificity of diddling again applies. just as long as your response is not categorically identifiable, the empire is stuck in the one place it hates.
trinque: whatever, they love to sit there and piss about importantly on the phone with 300 people surrounding
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda surprised nobody does the claymore security door thing. "if you shock this door... nice knowing you."
phf: hmm, i can't recall anyone doing it in the 90s. i think this is a uniquely american problem though, where you can't trust frame to hold the door in place. traditional solution is to simply put the door on welded frame inside a concrete hole, so you will need something better than a claymore to dislodge it
mircea_popescu: phf nah, the idea is you get exactly like current, "security door" except the half inch steel sheet is on the inside, then 3 claymores stacked, then a thin al profile on the outside facing. have a shock detector modeled on 90% of the kinetic delivery of the standard issue us invasion corps battering ram.
phf: "front toward enemy"
trinque: nah, it's much closer to "I just want to" and govt is responsible for preventing it
trinque: why indeed. they're obedient creatures and this they're told is of the category of "fancy shit you can bolt to the side of" your house
mircea_popescu: because why. not like it's not in the logs that they dun werk.
mircea_popescu: i deemed myselg well informed by the nonfakenews outlets.
mircea_popescu: ie, yes the case is "reasonable likelihood of confusion", but no this does not mean 'don't use the word'.
mircea_popescu: this is ~why fcc-like authorities exist. to forbid the usg to buy and derp like this.
mircea_popescu: whatever the thing which goes "your money has no value here"
mircea_popescu: ie if i sold some btc to buy lm and relocate it to turkmenistan
phf: that's the most "direct action" any greenpiece activist participated in the past 30 years
mircea_popescu recalls a time in the 90s... concidentally at the time the world was last great i was too young to care much about women.
phf: there's this anti-japanese-whaling direct action guy, who got kicked out of greenpiece in the early 2000s for too much direct actioning
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phf: "I appologize [...] I believe we did what we had to do" that's not how appologies work.
phf: we have evoked the name of saint apologia, therefore we are above reproach
mircea_popescu: too bad she only blesses people wearing the blessed crocs.
mats: >Trump orders construction of border wall, moves to increase deportations
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: also "perform backups and regularly restore from them"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: brain scans are phrenology, not astrology
ben_vulpes: ah there's the hanbot piece in muhfeeds.
ben_vulpes: okay so i didn't not do my homework yet.
ben_vulpes: YOUR PERVERSE THOUGHTS MARK YOU FOR THE GULAG
ben_vulpes: inb4 Framedragger builds a bitcoin kinknet
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606341 << optimization strategy is when you have a slow algorithm somewhere in your architecture (you put it there because it was a reasonable tradeoff at the point), but you can replace it with a faster algorithm without leaving too much damage on the architecture (alf calls it "scaring")
☝︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: ugh mircea_popescu how do i find the qualia thread in your blog
phf: so if you have a system that you implemented fast, but it's slow, but you know how to now slowly make it fast, you have a strategy. if you're chasing corner cases, running a profiler and get mostly flat distribution, writing in special cases, etc. you don't have one
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 21:44 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606341 << optimization strategy is when you have a slow algorithm somewhere in your architecture (you put it there because it was a reasonable tradeoff at the point), but you can replace it with a faster algorithm without leaving too much damage on the architecture (alf calls it "scaring")
ben_vulpes: in which it is shown that xcode's "find occurences of string in project" ACTUALLY FUCKING DOES NOT
ben_vulpes: WHAT i ask you IS THE POINT of an ultra-heavy IDE that a) cannot tell me where the protocol breakage is during a refactor much less what to do about it b) has a project search SO MISERABLY BAD that a man must revert to grep in order to find ANYTHING
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i ain't selling "pg fts" as any sort of solution; 'tis largely an experiment in pg search and data modeling.
ben_vulpes: postgres full text search; "some pathetic piece of shit trying to be clever"
ben_vulpes: granted, it serves a different problem, "searching documents" with naive user input.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: posix regexes work, i'll see what the performance implications are of using those instead.
ben_vulpes: also phf may i please have the log backups?