BingoBoingo: What really get me though is the distance to egress which makes the McMansion a deathtrap.
pete_dushenski: same could be said of office building, grade school, etc. operable windows are a ready solution to the emergency egress problem. 3.8 sq. ft. operable area is mandated in these parts.
pete_dushenski: maybe! let a guy stick his dick in the electrical outlet woudlja
shinohai: I heard it helps if you insert a sounding rod before sticking in socket
deedbot: Bad URL or network outage.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> lol-lol. << haha
shinohai: Good here, offline builds were smooth as always.
mod6: cool, im gonna run some tests here myself.
shinohai: I only did 2 today, one on each of the usual platforms
shinohai: Didn't try the gentoo yet but don't expect any issues
a111: Logged on 2016-09-20 23:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shared factors with 8ball ?
mod6: <+shinohai> I only did 2 today, one on each of the usual platforms << ok good deal.
mod6: <+shinohai> Didn't try the gentoo yet but don't expect any issues << ok let me know, im doing my testing on gentoo to start with anyway.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-09 01:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and if they decide that 'national s33k0000r1ty' requires a leap week ?
trinque: But with half a dozen or more independent servers, the client will end up with chain of proof of any server's misbehaviour, signed by several others, and (presumably) enough accurate replies to establish what the correct time is.
trinque: if enough people are shouting the same thing, they are right.
trinque: you don't know how democracy works
trinque: they're this grey goo you can sybil up as much as you like
trinque: it all flows directly from that they have the sybil-tron, and the fakerng, and... and...
trinque: there's no sport because as far as I can tell, this is a device used to herd cows
trinque: whether they're shopping at walmart, "trading" at goldman sachs, or exploding ball bearings in pressure cookers
trinque wonders when the smoking man will finally visit asciilifeform, tell him where the real adversaries are
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scriba: Logged on 2016-09-21: [00:10:00] <pete_dushenski> maybe! let a guy stick his dick in the electrical outlet woudlja
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-21: [01:18:24] <asciilifeform> the 'designated' losers are designated FOR REASONS maybe?!
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-21: [01:35:42] <asciilifeform> it's never 'maybe this relies on an unproven equivalence to rsa' and always 'let's million ecdsa sig per second on intel box'
mircea_popescu: o hey. francis rowe became leah to escape being confused with a bunch of cricket players from the 1800s ?
mircea_popescu: lulzy at the "francis dba leah certainly isn't going anywhere". really ?
mircea_popescu: check it out, derp is "certainly not going anywhere", but "these people should resign or be fired".
mircea_popescu: in other news if i hear anyone EVER collaborated with francis/leah rowe for any reason or in any capacity i'm negrating.
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a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 02:20 scriba: Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-21: [01:35:42] <asciilifeform> it's never 'maybe this relies on an unproven equivalence to rsa' and always 'let's million ecdsa sig per second on intel box'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because same single machine on multiple ips, naively.
mircea_popescu: anyway. along with "kyc", the "sex harassment" is a primo idiocy to have a stake driven through heart.
mircea_popescu: from attention whoring doublespoken as "rape" all the way down to "communities" of whateverthefucks.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, taking bets on how long before usg actually enters tax paid to republic in its "books" such as they are.
mircea_popescu: what satoshi. on its current budget owes about half billion in its paper.
mod6: caviar debt, still owed.
BingoBoingo: Pig settles caviar debt with pork. Debt eliminated by settlement.
mod6: "no man, no problem"
phf: Framedragger: i'd very much appreciate if you disable your bot from "supporting" btcbase until it's fully tested. so far it just fucks with people who are trying to get btcbase quotes
phf: oh, i guess it's just requoting links from inside a111's quotes..
phf: Framedragger: my bad
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're still captive in this "usg is rational" nonsense. it isn't.
mircea_popescu: it will surrender specifically because will be made into latrine pig.
trinque: ben_vulpes: oh man, I watched that 3 times so far
ben_vulpes: there's this great arc from "oh gosh it's so hot let's flap our hands in faux dism--OH MY GOD"
ben_vulpes: plus the drooling and then is that an oxygen line there?
trinque: doesn't know her litany against fear
ben_vulpes: "examinees will keep hands and legs inside the gob jabbar at all times during the experience. thank you, and enjoy the ride!"
trinque: oh, the head turn and perk-out-my tits the brunette clearly practiced for the vid makes her wretching so much sweeter
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 04:54 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: watched linked vid?
trinque: I mean, do you enjoy crying?
trinque: it's better with the crying
mircea_popescu: it's some sort of javascript gnarl ; failed to work on first pass and i'm not debugging it. whatever, two girls next door doing whatever.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: wants his three minutes back!
mircea_popescu: ahahaha. "it took moses 40 years to lead the hebrews through the desert to the only place in the middle east that has no oil"
a111: Logged on 2016-09-19 17:44 ben_vulpes: i doubt it, as everything so far is little-endian, and only by convention reversed by early block explorers to show the zeros first or who the fuck knows i've never found a sensible explanation for reversing block hashes (and only block hashes!)
mircea_popescu:
http://fexpr.blogspot.com.ar/2016/01/schools-of-artlanging.html << the perisocial behaviours of beta males, rejected as they are from human society, stubbornly decided as they are to NOT address their actual faults is utterly staggering. the creation and maintenance of "tulpas" ie imaginary friends, of which "artlangs" is very strictly a subset, much like toy collecting (warhammer, magic the gathering, etc) also is ; elaborat
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ou are", forever trying to change anything and everything except what'd actually help : his dumb fucking self. that's "sacred" in "humanism"!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: of all the doomed-culture-collapsing dioramas i personally witnessed, this is readily the most amusing.
mircea_popescu: this then is also the fundamental ideological difference between republic ("we'll kill you if you continue in this manner - and we don't care how many losers just like you have to die") vs empire ("no child left behind! no matter the cost this imposes on the normal children!").
Framedragger: (ahh. to grind some coffee beans, make self some coffee, and open #trilema irc buffer to find nice rant by mp at the end. the small joys of life!)
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 12:26 mircea_popescu:
http://fexpr.blogspot.com.ar/2016/01/schools-of-artlanging.html << the perisocial behaviours of beta males, rejected as they are from human society, stubbornly decided as they are to NOT address their actual faults is utterly staggering. the creation and maintenance of "tulpas" ie imaginary friends, of which "artlangs" is very strictly a subset, much like toy collecting (warhammer, magic the gathering, etc) also is ; elaborat
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 12:26 mircea_popescu: ely neurotic self inspection, of which "transgenderism" of the alice/leah flavour is very strictly a subset, not to mention plainer nonsense of the kind displayed by eg. richard kulisz (see
http://trilema.com/2016/full-loper-os-blogroll-review/#selection-847.0-851.1) or for that matter "lesswrong". between psychotic and neurotic, the beta boi is forever floating on this sea of delusional "you are special and perfect the way y
Framedragger:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#109 << znc puts shitty non-utf-but-should-be-utf chars in logs, bot trips over them and can't ignore them. that is also (cc mircea_popescu) the reason why it keeps saying it's the same char at same position: even if you just read() the whole file into buffer, it's gonna fail (at the same place). obviously this is unsustainable, i.e. i won't put up with this.
☟︎ Framedragger:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#167 << yeah, and i'm still unsure if it should not do this. i like it as it provides more context, but it's not.. standardized; it's rather ad-hoc; probably better to turn that off in scriba, and add facility for it to cite multiline passages via privmsg.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-21: [04:44:39] <phf> oh, i guess it's just requoting links from inside a111's quotes..
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Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah i saw that; they deleted one thread and locked the other, it seems. which is lol.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 12:26 mircea_popescu: ou are", forever trying to change anything and everything except what'd actually help : his dumb fucking self. that's "sacred" in "humanism"!
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 03:40 asciilifeform:
http://www.aerohive.com << 'At Aerohive, we believe that every Access Point is a starting point.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not the activity ; it's the activiter. you can have great rapist, ie gengis ; you can have soddy alley scum, ie lavernty beria. many polish lenses, for every spinoza there's untold leahs.
mircea_popescu: quite. this is the important thing here : hanging out with the "cool kids" doth not make one a cool kid. it's not infectious, some sort of rubeola, that "all" can in principle catch, excepting genetic weird.
mircea_popescu: in any case i'm not saying "you alf, do not do what you want to do because stupid people also do it". i'm saying "you stupid guy, going through the motion of alf as you perceive them doth not make you alf."
mircea_popescu: ie, "there;s no formal approach to life", also news at 11.
mircea_popescu: it's really in no sense a new anything ; just restatement of the exact same ancient ideas at the fundament of the republic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also where's that "shannonized mp" thread
mircea_popescu: which is the nature and inner core of elitism. A can do whatever he pleases ; B must do whatever he can. guy slaps butt on street, girl turns and coos ; other guy sort-of-asks-girl-out-with-apology-included, girl looks at him like she never saw talking geese before, guy stumbles to his exit stage left. guy is in heaven other guy is in hell, his life is so unfair etc.
mircea_popescu: mine will just contain centerfolds of old playboys, 1970s, rolling stone magazines, that sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: anti vietnam war songs. plus a lifesize poster of randy from south park going "oh... we can say one thing and do another! you can be america's muscle i'll be its caring soul!"
mircea_popescu: give them a fatal dose of ricin or w/e + a scale model of uss cole.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, back then the designs were terrible but still marginally operable.
mircea_popescu: > These vulnerabilities have been disclosed to the vendor on or before the 24th of April 2014.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, this nonsense does not satisfy my criteria for "full disclosure".
mircea_popescu: pro tip : giving the perpetrator of crime early warning is criminal. you notify the vendor MONTHS AFTER release. not at the same time as release. not fucking BEFORE release.
mircea_popescu: a minimum of one month after releasing, you notify the vendor.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-19: [15:34:12] <asciilifeform> in other lulz, 'In the last two weeks many security professionals have praised Apple for reacting lightning fast to the PEGASUS threat that has been actively exploited in the wild. This praise was given because the parties involved kept samples from independent 3rd party researchers and did not reveal any detailed information about the kernel
scriba: vulnerabilities involved to the public. Without this information the public simply assumed t
mircea_popescu: you recommend never ever using anything made by the PEOPLE INVOLVED. no matter in what capacity involved. not the fucking dba "vendor" symbol either.
mircea_popescu: attaches to people ; sinks their career. even if they were "not involved". they were involved.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546322 << this behavior has nothing to do with znc (unless you explicitly configured znc to recode your messages), it has to do with the fact that irc is encoding agnostic. used to be you had koi8-r only channels, or latin-1 only channels etc. now utf-8 is the "standard" but from back in those days you have a peculiar hack surviging in a lot of clients. everyone's expected to be able to read latin-1,
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 13:18 Framedragger:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#109 << znc puts shitty non-utf-but-should-be-utf chars in logs, bot trips over them and can't ignore them. that is also (cc mircea_popescu) the reason why it keeps saying it's the same char at same position: even if you just read() the whole file into buffer, it's gonna fail (at the same place). obviously this is unsustainable, i.e. i won't put up with this.
phf: but not necessarily your special encoding. so client will guess the encoding of the line you're sending, and if it can be encoded as latin-1 it'll send it as such, otherwise utf-8
☟︎ scriba: Logged on 2016-09-21: [13:12:38] <asciilifeform> how about old women who make doll houses
phf: mircea_popescu's xchat specifically still does that. so his latin-1 encodable text comes out as such, otherwise it gets promoted to utf-8
☟︎ phf: the way you deal with this madness you can see in the guts of a lot of irc clients: you try and decode just that line as utf-8, and if that fails, you decode it as latin-1.
phf: oh there's a lot of shit like that in btcbase, that's what i was working on while not working on stability issues apparently
mircea_popescu: (ftr this is the irc protocol, even if many clients don't respect it. latin-1 with utf-8 fallback.)
mircea_popescu: used to be latin-1 with $arbitrary fallback, but THAT insanity (koi-9 chgannels, etc) blessfully went away.
mircea_popescu: in favour of you know, everyone shoving his insanity & watergun into "the same" balloon.
phf: but correct way of handling this in python, is to read() line by line, which returns whatever, ascii, then parse the [date] <nick> bits as ascii, then take the rest of line and try: msg.decode('utf-8') except: msg.decode('latin-1')
☟︎ phf: no no utf-8 is first, because latin-1 decoder will happily decode whatever, where's utf-8 will fail on umlauts and accent graves and such
mircea_popescu: latin-1 should fail on "nonprintables" or w/e they're called.
mircea_popescu: then again, i dun think anyone seriously maintained any of this in a decade+, so who even knows.
phf: and for the record, read in python doesn't ever fail, what fails is elevation from str to unicode that implicitly happens in places, like when you do "print" or inside the html encoder or whatever. the correct way is to treat "str" as a byte sequence, and explicitly do encode/decode when appropriate.
☟︎☟︎ phf: yeah, that's how btcbase looks at it. messages are stored and mostly processed as utf-8 encoded byte-arrays
mircea_popescu: still linked from, eg, w3.org page. you know the one, where they importantly whine about stupid.
mircea_popescu: phf supposedly they're going to have >100k glyphs "soon". and somebody's gonna even make glyphs for all this fucking nonsense.
mircea_popescu: used to take an expert a week to make you a new font. now it's outside of the capabilities of the us government.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 14:43 mircea_popescu: you'll end up in a bath tub i'm telling you.
phf: it's probably just the japanese adding more emoji
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the kind you push up and down the hill in a great flurry to "help with athen's defense"
phf: "man sitting on a toilet while wearing a horse mask glyph", which, by u.s. fraction of the unicode lobby is augmented to, "woman ..." "minority permutation ..."
phf: i recon, that is the gist of the joke
phf: come to think of it first proper exposure to encoding hell was mp3 id3 tags
mircea_popescu: my first was "wtf is that gunk at beginning of text file ?" "oh, windows."
phf: asciilifeform: second photo makes it, complete with slightly rounded crt and a gunky beige keyboard
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at soime point (maybe windows 95 ?) they were adding a 2 byte "bom" at beginning of all "text" files
mircea_popescu: maybe they fucked up the tools that'd show it ; but i will not believe it's gone
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 14:52 phf: and for the record, read in python doesn't ever fail, what fails is elevation from str to unicode that implicitly happens in places, like when you do "print" or inside the html encoder or whatever. the correct way is to treat "str" as a byte sequence, and explicitly do encode/decode when appropriate.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
phf: asciilifeform: having fixed a share of "unicode doesn't work in python!!1" problems, i'm pretty sure that it's an operator problem
phf: and it's definitely ~not~ the case of spreading works. python made a very right and sane distinction between strings and bytes. and the interaction of the two requires awareness. the mistake that they made is to make the conversion implicit, which lets people pretend like underlying problems don't exist, and when it breaks ~like it should~ blame it on python
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mircea_popescu: phf i'm of the same persuasion. they should never have included "automagic" conversions.
mircea_popescu: a mistake ~on the level of a c that included "automagic" memalloc.
thestringpuller: this obsession with OpenSSL for crypto operations is uncanny.
PeterL: "just relax, spread wider, this won't hurt a bit"
thestringpuller: after heartbleed OpenSSL should have been avoided like the plague
PeterL: what would they use instead?
shinohai: Annnnd ben_vulpes coins a new term for the republic.
mircea_popescu: needless to say, qntra isn't going to implement italian "supreme court" bullshit ; nor is "italy" a sovereign in any sense.
shinohai: mircea_popescu does story merit a qntra just for the lulz ?
mircea_popescu: the way things currently stand, being mentioned in qntra increases the italian gdp by a significant ammount, which is unjustified by an mostly absent public interest in the affairs of the shithole.
mircea_popescu: let them pay for advertising like any other wanna-be corp.
jhvh1: You are very welcome Daddy
shinohai: mircea_popescu let them pay for advertising like any other wanna-be corp. <<< nb and good point
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-21: [16:59:50] <asciilifeform> quite canny.
mircea_popescu: which, given that it's not 2000 anymore, they can't reproduce.
mircea_popescu: so stuck importing utf, ntp, "open-sores-sl" etc into everything or bust
PeterL eager awaiting asciilifeform's response
PeterL: seems like that would be easy, just write a script to give everybody the same amount of money!
PeterL: if is_violence(action): stop
mircea_popescu: and to ensure poverty for anyone involved with google, the un, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: if your crazy chechen cousin brought you a goat, you wouldn't want to KEEP it
mircea_popescu: in general the way this works is : a) you put two inch styrofoam panels on light metal rails with gloryhole ; b) you affix lcd eyeheight, and play porn on it and c) you get women lined up to service behind the wall.
mircea_popescu: this way you can turn N ugly cocksuckers + K pretty whores into irl satisfaction for N*c idiots
mircea_popescu: as opposed to being limited in any way by the width of K.
mircea_popescu: seeing how it takes about two hours to teach anyone to suck cock but you can't turn 99% of extant female population into fap fodder no matter what you do.
mircea_popescu: waste of time to try and remove the N from the equation.
ben_vulpes: (goat is very useful for blackberry control)
phf: by god, trusted chinaman turned out to have his own agenda, what. who could've predicted
a111: Logged on 2016-09-20 16:50 asciilifeform: phf: aha, before the zombies took over.
mircea_popescu: what exactly is "recycled" going to mean if not exactly this ?
phf: asciilifeform: kind of, except they just have coffee table like things that you can put your laptop on
phf: traditional crafts. sort of like "made in america
phf: er, "made in america" stuff is all leather boots and wood axes
trinque: how the hell does anyone tolerate sitting on hard wood
phf: trinque: they don't in both cases there's a cushion
trinque: plus folding your legs constricts circulation
trinque: claiming humans evolved to spend 8hrs on their asses or what?
trinque: plus I thought he only did trailer park emotional issues
phf: trinque: mechanics of padmasana doesn't put weight on knees. i don't know what that lady is doing (that picture is straight up cargo cult), but even in her caise majority of her weight is on the lower buttocks
phf: the next tmsr-machine!!1
phf: when we all are digging irradiated carrots and remembering the good old "days of knowing (pre-Event)", mp will still be running bitcoin on those things
phf: i like how first google link is to mashkov lib (or whatever's left of it, post-burning)
phf: i don't know the current mirror, i was using librusec, until that too went to shit
mircea_popescu is reading "the law of baron and femme", apropos of irradiated carrots
mircea_popescu: eg "A note, payable to a feme covert, for a debt due to her while sole, is legally payable to the husband, and the property vests absolutely in him, and after his death, goes to his executor or administrator, and not to the wife." and other such wonders.