BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well, involved unpleasant scraping.
mircea_popescu: in other holy shit javascript, a.b where a, b are strings results in the STRING "undefined" ; whereas a.concat(b) results in a string that's a followed by b.
mircea_popescu: really ? who thought this makes sense and how did they figure it ?
deedbot: lru voiced for 30 minutes.
lru: a.b is asking for the 'b' property in the object a, which is undefined (the type, not the string), but since types can be automatically converted, and you're working with strings, the undefined type may have been turned into a string depending on use
lru: a.b is the same as a['b'], since nearly everything in javascript is an object
lru: the question was about "holy shit javascript" not "fucking javascript" :-)
lru: no... still mostly watching for now
☟︎ lru: is there a way to extract help from the deedbot?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 03:25 mircea_popescu: anyway, i fucking hate the notion of "implicit object".
mircea_popescu: somehow the dot became so deeply "concat strings" that i'd first check "who the fuck is regexping this" perhaps ; but it'd never occur to me to say "you know what - it saw a dot it's now looking at a class"
gribble: Current Blocks: 422461 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 898 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 1 hour, 42 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
jurov: According to the Tor developers, the new design will deploy a distributed random generation system that has "never been deployed before on the Internet."
☟︎ jurov: "never been deployed before" is an advantage nao!
shinohai: this whole shit repository is hilarious
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 packaged that experimental stuff into iso, will build from disk alone
felipelalli:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-16#1503818 << mircea_popescu a) the main issue to me is the language, I'm afraid w/ my English, I'd like to dominate more than I do. b) I'm sorry for that too. It's being very hard to keep up to date here, you guys are too fast for me! :) Also again the language is an obstacle sometimes which makes 3x harder to undertand than the normal.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-16 13:01 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell felipelalli so a) write it and b) stop leaving, this is intended for permanent residence not hit-and-run actions.
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 653.51, Best ask: 653.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 653.79, 24 hour volume: 11867.10367925, 24 hour low: 646.44, 24 hour high: 657.61, 24 hour vwap: None
mats: finally got a letter from OPM about being compromised
mats: they offered three years of free identity theft protection and monitoring services, fucking useless
☟︎ thestringpuller: coinbase signs an ETH-HF tx, so then attacker takes same transaction and announces it on the other chain
☟︎ jurov: hehe,and can this ever be prevented? i can't see how to reliably ensure propagation of divergent transactions to sides of hardfork
☟︎ jurov: one has to repeatedly send to self addresses, till there's desired result on both chains, no?
gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.
deedbot: vexare voiced for 30 minutes.
vexare didn't really needed that
mircea_popescu: unfortunately, the eu is more ineffectual than even argentina.
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> well the coinbase story thickens << Note edit I made to your coinbase story
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 13:12 jurov: According to the Tor developers, the new design will deploy a distributed random generation system that has "never been deployed before on the Internet."
mircea_popescu: who the fuck runs tor, hillary's campaign management ? "shit positively known not to work, will be sold as distributed and hipstery". THE WOMAN IS LOSING ON THIS SCRITP! IT DUN WERK!!!111
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 14:13 felipelalli:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-16#1503818 << mircea_popescu a) the main issue to me is the language, I'm afraid w/ my English, I'd like to dominate more than I do. b) I'm sorry for that too. It's being very hard to keep up to date here, you guys are too fast for me! :) Also again the language is an obstacle sometimes which makes 3x harder to undertand than the normal.
trinque: surely by now no one around here is taking pride in his mastery of the great english language.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 15:11 mats: they offered three years of free identity theft protection and monitoring services, fucking useless
mircea_popescu: if you think about it, it's a fucking great ploy to get people perma-subscribed to those "services" like they're perma-subscribed to "paying MIT & friends hedge funds".
mircea_popescu: back in communist romania, "oamenii muncii" ie the "men of working" had to pay whatever off paycheck each month for "investments". just about the same thing, really.
mircea_popescu: "why live in sane country making 500 a month ? come to AMERICA!!!11 make 5000 a month except pay 3000 here and 1800 there and 300 there and 50 there and 15 rthere and no you can't stop these fucking terrorist, you want to bring your own tribal ways to civilisation ?!?!?! make 5000 a month means you owe 500 each month! doh!"
mircea_popescu: how to ruin a beautiful thing. start taking in the ustardian propaganda, actually believe it, there you go.
mircea_popescu: it was epsilon back in the day, when the shit was getting started, 1980s.
mircea_popescu: no, my numbers above are 5000 owe 500, ie 10% not epsilon
mircea_popescu: first, "epsilon" going the wrong way. soon enough, that's 10% then 1000% then infinity% AND STILL KEEPS GROWING.
mircea_popescu: we have a sign inversion and they have a graph crossing.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510308 << doh. as was explained back in the day we for the first time in "the blockchain technology space" explained how a hard fork resolves economically, cca 2014ish. meanwhile the "technology leaders" of one intern and rented offices got a little overrun by events.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 15:27 thestringpuller: coinbase signs an ETH-HF tx, so then attacker takes same transaction and announces it on the other chain
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform typical ro schmuck owns 1k sqft of real estate and 2 cars.
mircea_popescu: same of typical schmuck in ru, india, argentina or whatever else. lebanon.
mircea_popescu: it's complicated, argentinians are not intellectually advanced enough to have banking.
mircea_popescu: they have some sort of tribal arrangement, but fuck me if i can explain it sensibly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform children of middle class cleptocracy parents.
mircea_popescu: they do this. president cash-bought 100+ cars as "retirement"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i kid you not, with this. i know it's absurd. but she did do it.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510311 << you first split the pot by self-sending, then send off the splits. the speciffic attack is discussed in the logs, iirc davout even had a mock implementation back when it looked like the imbeciles may be dumb enough to need the stick applied physically.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 15:31 jurov: hehe,and can this ever be prevented? i can't see how to reliably ensure propagation of divergent transactions to sides of hardfork
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 15:52 asciilifeform: The issue with these chips is that they don’t receive Bluetooth’s frequent security updates.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 16:14 mircea_popescu: they do this. president cash-bought 100+ cars as "retirement"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would have taken these pesos, on some reasonable conditions.
mircea_popescu: which yes, do include arresting turner if he shows up within the borders.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-18 00:48 asciilifeform whistles the impalement theme from 'ogniem i mieczem'...
mircea_popescu: old woman says yes to one, then yes to another, then yes again to the first
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so much refused as "old whore wants to die as a rat."
mircea_popescu: resolving the "live as dog or die as rat" dilemma by "it's easier to die as rat" seems stupid, but then again who knows what goes on through old whore's head. (her ass.)
mircea_popescu: no, they're ustards^2. they "just want things to be good"
mircea_popescu: lazy, stupid and desocialized, but not at all for genetic reasons. they're lazy like a schizophrenic patient with waxy paralysis is "lazy".
mircea_popescu: and for the exact same reason, entirely lost real anchoring.
mircea_popescu: idem stupid, idem desocialized. the fundamental problem is that they believe a lie, and the lie became more important than anything, and as such they literally live in those vats.
mircea_popescu: well yes singular. globalization amirite ? all lies merge if they get large enough.
mircea_popescu: the case of the unfucked middle aged woman is entirely illustrative here.
deedbot: proslogion voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 16:25 mircea_popescu: that deal would have been infinitely better FOR HER
a111: Logged on 2016-07-23 16:07 mircea_popescu: oh, right, there's also a whole pile of claims re insider trading, manipulation etc over the "price" of "ethereum" at kraken and poloniex.
mircea_popescu: so ? usg.mit spent close to 100mn to prop up eth for the past month ; now they're in the position where "the bad hacker" has a shitton of eth-c to give to "the people" to vote for him. they will, what's more, as per the usg system THEY ARE RIGHT TO. it is the "correct" modern-democracy socialist thing to do.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the eth "rednecks" are "acting against their own interest". as per usg verbiage now current.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: never in modern history has anyone made the lizzards eat their own vomit to the degree of splendour.
mircea_popescu: orlov has a hardon for putin, but putin never ever came close to this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "sent back to legitimate owners" in the sense of maybe.
mircea_popescu: but the race is on, and somehow they will have to pay largesse to the mob. whence from ? we'll see.
mircea_popescu: but - they spent all this time and effort, to protect something... that they just lost control of.
mircea_popescu: and now they gotta pay more for the priviledge of having paid in the past.
mircea_popescu: "i'll pay your son to rape your wife with money taken from your house" is the byline of the revolution.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: used to be known as "i'll break your arms off and beat you to shit with them", back in the day.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 15:16 mircea_popescu: you're wide open, in a security sense, because of this notion of cleanliness.
mircea_popescu: you're a one track mind the likes i've never seen. "gotta clean"
phf: who acquired by whom?
danielpbarron: it was a "wallet" that used nLockTime to make "secure" 0-conf transactions if i'm not mistaken. And I think they also publicly took a stand against a bitcoin hard fork at some point. They had a representative in the chat under the nickname 'GAit' but never registered a GPG key.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-13 19:06 asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
a111: Logged on 2014-11-13 19:04 asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works'
thestringpuller: well nlocktime is only supposed to be used between trusted parties
thestringpuller: i.e. i give my heir transaction that gives him all my btc after nlocktime block arrives (maybe 20-40 years from now)
thestringpuller: but if you sign a tx with nlocktime mienrs won't mine it until after nlocktime has passed
danielpbarron: might have been a n-of-m key escrow then -- where greenaddress is one of the keys and that's supposed to mean you can trust their 0-conf
thestringpuller: you can't mine based on the protocol. nlocktime means the transaction isn't valid until nlocktime has passed
thestringpuller: so you can't put it in the block chain it just sits in mempool until nlocktime passes
☟︎ thestringpuller: with OP_CLTV that opcode allows you to mine a transaction with nlocktime set
thestringpuller: i always viewed nlocktime tx's as MPEx "PUSH all in case key is compromised" tactic
thestringpuller: "nLockTime is a parameter that can be attached to a transaction, that mandates a minimal time (specified in either unix time or block height), that before this time, the transaction cannot be accepted into a block."
thestringpuller: appears to return true if transaction's nlocktime < thresholds
thestringpuller: Weird. It works in practice. (I made an nlock transaction in mid 2013 and it worked as advertised)
thestringpuller: didn't realize is it was this poorly written but that's not surprising
thestringpuller: I get that. I guess I'd have to do more investigation. Make a bunch of nlocktime transaction and see how to break it. cause it wasn't used until peter todd made OP_CLTV abomination for segwit/ln
thestringpuller: how so? is miner running custom code to say "i'ma put nlocktime tx in this block"
thestringpuller: i thought the high-S thing was due to PRB nodes fellating low-S transactions until they became high-S ones.
thestringpuller: yea. but i'm looking at core code and the nlocktime thing seems untouched until peter todd era
thestringpuller: the high-s thing was cause mtgox had terrible accountants and forced miners to do the high-s thing
thestringpuller: mtgox halted withdrawals until core implemented the high-S thing in PRB.
thestringpuller: yes. there is miner collusion to make rules more "granular" without permission from nodes
thestringpuller: mining op is expensive and every miner i've procured has been a borderline drug deal
☟︎ thestringpuller: i don't know why anyone in their right mine would want to mine
trinque: anyone ever written an existing miner?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Mining operation has to be subsidized with some other activity.
thestringpuller: I suspect Chinese miners are just glorified money launderers.
trinque: no, written someone *operating* a mine
thestringpuller: trinque: we had one during ATC days hanging out in chan, but he was doing it for shits and giggles and not as business.
trinque: perhaps one of the heads of the foundation could do that diplomacy
☟︎ trinque: unless someone here itches to burn millions
thestringpuller: it seems most mining operations turn into scams tho. i've yet to see a "legit" operation.
thestringpuller: trinque: you don't need to burn millions to mine 1 block a day (more than enoguh for tmsr) you need about $150k starting capital and some good luck to hope difficulty doesn't skyrocket on you
☟︎ trinque: "good luck to hope" isn't a business plan
thestringpuller: trinque: it isn't, but unfortunately the way chip distribution is pretty much a cartel, you're at the whim of the universe in terms of profitibility.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: eveyone from Gigavps to friedcat turned out scammer.
thestringpuller: so I personally think mining facilitates a scammer mindset
trinque: this magical world where there is never a reason to do something is not one I inhabit
thestringpuller: trinque: there is if you want to succumb to radiation poisoning in 3 months.
thestringpuller: i've put some miners in a colo I trust near my house, but i don't see it growing anytime soon due to chip procurement
thestringpuller: i also don't like putting dollars into miners when I could put them into bitcoins
thestringpuller: not if i resell it to a bagholder which is easier than it sounds
thestringpuller: basically you buy mining equipment then relist it while you're mining
thestringpuller: That's not what I'm saying. Mining is temporary as hardware goes obsolete. YOu milk the hardware as much as possible, and resell it to bagholders, and buy newer hardware.
thestringpuller: the only way to exit from mining is to resell the hardware or mine until its obsolete and hope the principal is repaid
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 18:59 thestringpuller: trinque: you don't need to burn millions to mine 1 block a day (more than enoguh for tmsr) you need about $150k starting capital and some good luck to hope difficulty doesn't skyrocket on you
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 18:09 asciilifeform: i dun really have strong shit to give re what happens to this or that alt.
mircea_popescu: fact remains, your universal answer is "gotta clean it". not everything's made to be clean.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 18:17 thestringpuller: dunno if qntra-worthy
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 18:32 thestringpuller: so you can't put it in the block chain it just sits in mempool until nlocktime passes
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 18:55 thestringpuller: mining op is expensive and every miner i've procured has been a borderline drug deal
mircea_popescu: not altogether an unfair characterisation of the end user market huh.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 18:58 trinque: perhaps one of the heads of the foundation could do that diplomacy
mircea_popescu: and in other news, girl making sushi out of just now cut salmon and things.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 19:56 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510490 << so what, the solution is to pretend we don't care ? that's how they got in the shit in the first place, you eager to follow shuit ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 19:56 mircea_popescu: fact remains, your universal answer is "gotta clean it". not everything's made to be clean.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a particularly amusing cockfight, because it shows plainly and incontrovertibly that "bad hacker / criminal thief" powered socialism is better, electorally speaking, than mit-socialism.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how any of them can maintain the pretense of "thinking" and "rational" with this on the table.