gribble: Current Blocks: 401773 | Current Difficulty: 1.584272037673917E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 403199 | Next Difficulty In: 1426 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 6 hours, 14 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
nubbins`: hanbot i just heard about your 58mn ECu loss -- maybe when you're able to do something other than run the mouth and lose money, people might care what you have to say?
nubbins`: until then, you're kinda just a dr. forehead but better at bleeding cash
mats: is this feud going to be an ongoing thing in the logs now
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nubbins`: i was done until mp decided he'd have another shot at his trump impersonation
hanbot: mircea_popescu meh, i guess eskimociuciu has eternal representation so long as the current voice distributes so much chum.
hanbot: ;;later_tell williamdunne feel free to pm me for ro chat/queries also. though my principle strength seems to be accidentally portmanteauing.
gribble: Error: "later_tell" is not a valid command.
hanbot: ;;later tell williamdunne feel free to pm me for ro chat/queries also. though my principle strength seems to be accidentally portmanteauing.
hanbot: BingoBoingo shit apparently doesn't change much.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Some things/people change. Others simply change the body they reside in. Reverse of the everybody is MP deal. Everbody is bobciu
hanbot: hahaha, sounds about right.
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TomServo: be right back, magic: the gathering?
mircea_popescu: it took five passes until "Reverse of the everybody is MP deal. Everbody is bobciu" coallesced into " Reverse of the (everybody is MP) deal. Everbody is bobciu"
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TomServo: same. I should prolly divest them along with my bitcoins, eh?
mircea_popescu: does it exist online or is it actually cards in person thing ?
☟︎ danielpbarron: i mostly did cards in person. there was a windows client called apprentice i used a little
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mircea_popescu: i think i actually might have played this on the ipad back when i did teh "literature survey" for s.mg
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2016 23:35:45; mircea_popescu: assbot> Report: Elon Musk, Tim Cook, and Larry Page meet to halt Trump’s ascendancy << somebody's worried about being cutoff from wasting public funds to maintain their "businesses" or wut.
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mircea_popescu: mcdonalds has higher priority than walmart, which has higher priority than the army.
mircea_popescu: palantir may be above elon musk, but the whole thing is a "youth communist movement" side project.
mircea_popescu: what was that derpy soviet thing that wanted to be an independent art movement ?
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nubbins`: from the mouth of hanbot : "Failing to use tx fees is mooching. Using a (notoriously inept) "service" that fails to use tx fees is also mooching."
nubbins`: also from the mouth of hanbot: "You weren't caught in some occult and unknowable coincidence that was out of your hands. You either didn't make sure you understood the basics of using bitcoin, or else you decided not to care. In either case, it is you that will have to adjust (and I do earnestly hope that you do; there are a lot of resources on this very forum, on IRC, and around the web that can help)."
nubbins`: this level of irony borders on vulgarity.
nubbins`: At any rate, this isn't a chastisement. If you fuck up to this degree, you're stuck having fucked up.
danielpbarron: also from that thread >> If a couple of pools were interested in bobbaing up MP's reputation, they could start taking longer to include transactions into blocks if bitbet addresses are involved. Just take care to not wait for way too many blocks, otherwise the pool's reputation get fucked.
nubbins`: danielpbarron: do you agree with hanbot in the linked thread that failing to use tx fees is mooching?
danielpbarron: the two situations aren't really comparable; in the case to which she was referring, the 0-fee transaction was spending an output that only had 162 confirmations, several thousand less than the youngest output spent in the now infamous 'A1'
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nubbins`: danielpbarron her statement doesn't contain the qualifiers you mention -- by my understanding of english syntax, she's making a blanket statement.
kakobrekla: they also arent comparable in a sense not having full mempools in 2013 and having full mempools in 2016.
nubbins`: she didn't say "failing to use tx fees for an output with only X confirmations is mooching"
nubbins`: mempools in 2013 were ghost towns, and there's hanbot still saying that 0-fee is for idiots
nubbins`: fast-forward to 2016 mempool backlog of enormous size...
kakobrekla: perhaps full and nonfull is not the best word as they cant be really full, just large or small.
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nubbins`: and, if you'll take a look at a map of north america, twodogland is very, very far away from major shipping hubs
nubbins`: cripples our online store, let me tell ya
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BingoBoingo: <TomServo> be right back, magic: the gathering? << meeting, for my improvement
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 01:33:09; mircea_popescu: does it exist online or is it actually cards in person thing ?
BingoBoingo did not think his abbreviation would be construed to have that meaning. Was just mundane Tuesday sober meeting.
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 01:55:06; nubbins`: til mp owns an ipad
nubbins`: BingoBoingo how was the coffee
nubbins` enjoys thick black coffee that makes his throat feel the way it felt when he smoked cigs
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: A bit watery as is the 13th tradition
nubbins`: phun phact, the first drip coffee machine i ever owned, i was making double-strength pots for the first 6 months until i made a cup for a guest one day
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2016 23:34:32; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> wtf would anyone bet when the dial says '0.99 << it's about even money neh ?
assbot: BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 80.22 B (54%) on Yes, 68.59 B (46%) on No | closed 3 hours 38 minutes ago ... (
http://bit.ly/1Q5VsDd )
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nubbins`: "Transaction rejected by our node. Reason: Non-canonical signature: High S Value"
nubbins`: maybe try sending again from MPEx funds and then bill it to bitbet?
adlai: huh, google's stream is borked
adlai: seems to work now.
nubbins`: fun fact, go is called baduk in korea
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> they also arent comparable in a sense << or in the sense of "case 1 is a derpy kid who tried his derpy time-arbitrage scheme without having the first clue as to what that entails, then whined to be made whole when it blew up" vs "case 2 - someone came into a shop, shot a patron, and now the business is charging the carpet cleaning against on its expense account". hurr durr, "the police should pay for the ca
☟︎ mircea_popescu: rpet" and herp derp "i'm running a broken matching engine and find things to 'support' my nonsensical rabidism anywhere i look!!1"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform liveblog for me plox ? if you're watching this ?
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mircea_popescu: i only see the gesturing. is there a proper feed of this ?
adlai: "it's numbers that i don't really understand. it's just really large numbers"
mircea_popescu: jesus the actual game is on the insert to the right ? wtf is with that country srsly.
mircea_popescu: also why is googlebot playing like a fucking housewife.
mircea_popescu: are we going to see a line from sea to sea before this is done ?
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mircea_popescu: i thought i had come up with it on my own! turns out it's from logs ?
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 04:19:40; asciilifeform: machine is playing timidly
adlai: except it seemed in its games against Fan Hui (EU champion) that it never fully capitalized on slips
adlai: just kept playing the most "consolidating" moves
mircea_popescu: also interesting how they tuned the depth search. playing very fast early.
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mircea_popescu: apparently google thinks early game not so important in go.
mircea_popescu: certainly go with the whole "not really playing, just waiting for human player donations"
mircea_popescu: i kinda appreciate the irony of the talk radio derps having chairs but only for display, not to sit in
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and whats with the derps walking hunched in front of the camera << It's a common reflex among people who don't grok how cameras work in relation to their body.
adlai: unfortunately it seems their target audience are those who just channel surfed their way over from tennis
adlai: it's helpful for people who have never actually played go but the 9p (lighter suit, who does most of the talking) is a little wasted, explaining these most basic things
adlai: "it's really complicated, yeah" instead of ...
adlai: aha. this is the english commentary, and on the other side of the wall is the korean commentary. they probably speak real go terms over there.
mircea_popescu: is michael redmond actually working on the google side ?
adlai: goodnight asciilifeform
adlai: michael redmond is working on the "lee sedol's new haircut" side
adlai: watts:zen :: redmond:go
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pete_dushenski: 100% more parts are 'made in america' with gun than with phone too
gribble: eskimobob was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 35 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <EskimoBob> no idea how executions are shown on btct
pete_dushenski: eskimobob would've never asked that question about trilema
BingoBoingo: Eh. Maybe I'm just confused. Today was a good day so brain exhausted.
BingoBoingo: Seriously picking up a reciprocating saw was a great move.
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 03:46:18; assbot: Headfirst mining by gavinandresen · Pull Request #138 · bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic · GitHub ... (
http://bit.ly/1TrmqHX )
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 03:49:24; asciilifeform: how the FUCK does anyone use 'pywallet.'
trinque: pete_dushenski: his patches have never failed me; the wallet itself on the other hand does consistently
trinque: loses track of balance and I have to delete wallet.dat and reimport the key
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assbot: funkenstein is not registered in WoT.
assbot: You have not rated funkenstein_.
trinque: !rate funkenstein 1 wrote a useful patch for importprivkey
assbot: funkenstein is not registered in WoT.
trinque: !rate funkenstein_ 1 wrote a useful patch for importprivkey
trinque: !v assbot:trinque.rate.funkenstein_.1:14d8a2667fdf7203f1ae25b4cd8664ffb4360eab136e4ee9eb22f7a4101b9de2
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for funkenstein_ with note: wrote a useful patch for importprivkey
trinque: ;;later tell funkenstein_ hey, regrind your vpatch and I'll sign it
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trinque: pete_dushenski: yep, I have seen a negative balance often
trinque: rather than dissect it, I wish to stop using the wallet entirely (as I did before with btcd) and just write a sendrawtxn for shiva
pete_dushenski: were you importing into wallets that already had a balance ? just trying to understand the boundaries of this phenomenon
trinque: it may be limited to the sendmany RPC; that's what I'm using
trinque: did this to have exact control over what fee is sent
trinque: I also had to lower a constant which didn't seem worth its own vpatch
trinque: I haven't. doesn't that send change back to some other address which is part of the "account" ?
trinque: yeah, I want the change coming right back to the deed address, so I use sendmany and explicitly state the change
trinque: then the balance goes to -0.0002 (fee + deed spend) so I smell a floating point fuckup
pete_dushenski: and it just stays like that indefinitely, but still allows for further spending ?
trinque: if only it were possible to select the transactions referencing a given address whose outputs are referenced by no other transaction's inputs
trinque: some kind of... query... or something
trinque: no we should have getutxos instead!
trinque: because reasons, and databases never happened
pete_dushenski: in any event, that's some seriously bizarre wallet behaviour
adlai: they've forgotten two stones in the analysis board
adlai: white on J1 and black on J2
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mircea_popescu: seems altogether dubious the computer is even 2 dan. just one game, sure, but...
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adlai: heh redmond is (more often than not) correctly predicting both players' moves
mircea_popescu: trinque> rather than dissect it, I wish to stop using the wallet entirely (as I did before with btcd) and just write a sendrawtxn for shiva <<< a raw tx manipulator for trb is prolly a very useful item, really.
mircea_popescu: trinque> some kind of... query... or something << heh.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: we signed it by show of hands - it was just a commitment to encourage tolerance and respect in the ecosystem, and if any of our employees overstep that we will reprimand them
fluffypony: I generally agree with the "don't be a giant douchenozzle" principle, and as long as employees are operating in any capacity representing one of my companies they don't have permission to be a giant douchenozzle on my behalf (what they do in their own time and of their own volition I don't care about)
adlai: first blood! lee sedol captures an alphago stone
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adlai: lee sedol resigns. wtf?
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punkman: adlai: lee sedol resigns. wtf? << interesting. maybe someone should open another bet? you'd get nice odds betting on "No" now
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punkman:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427481 I remember the official client was impossibly clunky and annoying when I used it. Must have been an epic quest to cover all the edge cases in the game's rules. "Apprentice" was kinda cool, just gave you a tabletop and you had to manually make all the moves.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 03:31:17; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427413 << my brother was once a game programmer, for a co. that has died many years ago, and they had the contract of producing the 'official' mtg client. he had to learn the rules of the game, with much loathing, and play it for year+ straigh, all day, every day, with loathing, possibly more hours than just about anyone alive
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punkman: I played online tournaments with Apprentice a lot for a while. Now I wonder what kind of security/crypto the thing implemented, if any.
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assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 05:23:19; pete_dushenski: ;;ud bobbaing
danielpbarron: removed them after that paste; it only ever effected pasted, as I rarely type the words it would replace
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mircea_popescu: adlai> lee sedol resigns. wtf? << are they buying this or wtf.
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 04:10:08; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> they also arent comparable in a sense << or in the sense of "case 1 is a derpy kid who tried his derpy time-arbitrage scheme without having the first clue as to what that entails, then whined to be made whole when it blew up" vs "case 2 - someone came into a shop, shot a patron, and now the business is charging the carpet cleaning against on its expense account". hurr durr, "the police sh
nubbins`: kakobrekla it would seem that your continued refusal to kiss MP's ring has finally directed his rage towards you
nubbins`: gonna be weird running a business with a scammer who hates you
mircea_popescu: "I was very surprised," said Lee after the match. "I didn't expect to lose. I didn't think AlphaGo would play the game in such a perfect manner.
mircea_popescu: DeepMind founder Demis Hassabis expressed "huge respect for Lee Se-dol and his amazing skills," calling the game "hugely exciting" and "very tense." Team lead David Silver said it was an "amazing game of Go that really pushed AlphaGo to its limits."
mircea_popescu: "I don’t regret accepting this challenge," said Lee. "I am in shock, I admit that, but what's done is done. I enjoyed this game and look forward to the next. I think I failed on the opening layout so if I do a better job on the opening aspect I think I will be able to increase my probability of winning."
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nubbins`: more like "case 2: the shop pays a cleaner once a month to clean rugs. random asshole thought the rug cleaners weren't coming so he paid a second rug cleaning service to clean the rugs. then the regular rug cleaners came and cleaned the rug again. then random asshole tries to bill the shop for a needless rug cleaning that he ordered himself"
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 13:26:24; nubbins`: more like "case 2: the shop pays a cleaner once a month to clean rugs. random asshole thought the rug cleaners weren't coming so he paid a second rug cleaning service to clean the rugs. then the regular rug cleaners came and cleaned the rug again. then random asshole tries to bill the shop for a needless rug cleaning that he ordered himself"
nubbins`: mp's analogies are so muddled that they're not even decipherable
nubbins`: protip: analogies must be analogous.
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mircea_popescu is incredibly fucking glad he never gave in to the temptation as a child, and systematically never regarded go as anything above or beyond parlor trick to entertain oneself with teh nude houri postcoitally, in spite of perhaps reasonable and well reasoned arguments to the contrary.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: punkman but it's the one with the "lands" to get mana to support troops is it ?
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 13:33:19; *: mircea_popescu is incredibly fucking glad he never gave in to the temptation as a child, and systematically never regarded go as anything above or beyond parlor trick to entertain oneself with teh nude houri postcoitally, in spite of perhaps reasonable and well reasoned arguments to the contrary.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: no, more like "love only things you're actually sure about"
mircea_popescu: the problem with loving go, like "loving science", like generally all sorts of investments of the self children are forced into, is that they end up importing "the people".
mircea_popescu: for instance - everyone now invested in go has had his life rearranged by lee sedol's rather erratic behaviour.
mircea_popescu: this is a major problem, at least to my eyes. it was just as large, if not nearly as expressible, before the age of bitcoin. by which, to be perfectly specific, i do not mean satoshi crapolade. i mean bitcoinb as in tmsr, and wot and ba and such.
mircea_popescu: which is what, in any proper sense of the term, "bitcoin" and "crypto" even mean. not fucking pgp as seen by the zimmerman that "oh i don't even have the key anymore"
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very much, for the obvious reason. we care about the heads of things, not the tail of things.
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shinohai: Signed into twitter and saw your epic tweet davout :D
mircea_popescu: we're not fucktarded lunacharsky to imagine that "oh, will resist narkopomps in the field". fuck that stupid shit.
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 16:46:29; mircea_popescu: this of course means you must support arabic ligature in your kkkapp made specifically to scrawl white supremacist nonsense on virtual toilets in gta4.
mircea_popescu: this problem is not magically limited to software, but universal.
mircea_popescu: people are stuck importing the bleating of moo moos all over the field and in all sorts of capacities, without any sort of modulation at their disposal, even.
mircea_popescu: sure, so you keep the nubbins` out of your house. great. they're going to put some shit on the radio. popculture!!1
mircea_popescu: oh, more radio stations ? great, now the cars are all designed by imbeciles for imbeciles. let's make more houses in autocad! this is how a city looks!
mircea_popescu: the list is more or less endless. the problem, more or less felt by everyone (ie, by all persons) and not expressed clearly and rigurously by anyone, because dunno how.
mircea_popescu: and more importantly, because once expressed the current situation becomes tolerable, or the statal / feminine definition of intelligence is "measure of capacity to adapt to environment [that we designed to suit ourselves]".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am not discussing solutions, and plox not to mix it in we'll never end.
mircea_popescu: the statement was as to the problem and its expression.
mircea_popescu: (en passant : solution 3 is readily apparent, and it begins with selectively beating your children - the runts to death ; and then continuing in this manner. and there's plenty more.)
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mircea_popescu: "bitcoin" in the sense of a collection of (whitepaper by satoshi, 2-3 shitty mutually exclusive prototypes by satoshi, even shittier code in prb) is much like "russia" in the sense of "the kiev kingdom".
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mircea_popescu: bitcoin, in any proper sense, means the republic, and the wot, and the forum, and so on. and similarly "cryptography" means "a bunch of derps on usenet" much in the same way space flight means chimps with monkeys. yes, the inclination to see inanimate objects fly is the same in both animals.
mircea_popescu: desires are no basis. "cryptography" does not stem from pgp-zimmerman, but from pgp-ba.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is deeply satisfying to beat idiots to death. you should try it sometime.
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mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu> and more importantly, because once expressed the current situation becomes tolerable << INtolerable, obviously. and in all fields. much like a smoky kitchen wall is tolerable for just as long as you don't see any actual white stuff for contrast. but bring in a new stove, suddenly the wall needs a paintjob too.
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mircea_popescu: space flight means chimps with monkeys << ie, chimps with rocks.
mircea_popescu: bbl, redoing this wake-up thing, apparently it didn't happen fully.
nubbins`: i like how mp pretends to be ignoring me, but still fumbles through an insult directed my way whenever i give another prod
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nubbins`: cool, he wrote a whole article about me on trilema!
nubbins`: mircea_popescu this infatuation of yours is bordering on obsessive
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nubbins`: investors apparently took the pronouncement as a sign of things... not being quite well.
thestringpuller: yea. a lot of selling pressure recently. i think node blockchain survived I'll see when it tried to load the index tonight. definitely going to back this thing up daily...
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i expected your blog to be all txtfiles lol
danielpbarron: i didn't really design that. was just the default theme for the latest wordpress
thestringpuller: i was talking about your original website. the <pre> tags and ascii text and links
danielpbarron: i seriously considered the all txt files option, but figured it wouldn't work well with allowing comments
danielpbarron: and now that i've got wordpress running, I kinda like how easy it is to draft stuff
mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone recall the place in the log of that discussion of the nth army going through the same field, and seeing the same bridgeheads and valleys and whatnot ?
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mircea_popescu: well this is sad, i can't fucking find it, half hour later.
mircea_popescu: i suppose before i'm dead my life will consist of mostly wasting my time trying to find errant bits of log.
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thestringpuller: i have a feeling same was said when deep blue beat kasparov...
thestringpuller: you could have sentient bot talk to you and you'd still slap it around I suppose
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 17:20:06; ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
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thestringpuller: I really don't think you can actually decipher the nature of 'real thought' on current hardware. AI will always be an emulation of the authentic thing.
thestringpuller: until you create some kinda hardware mechanism that is true to "real thing"
thestringpuller: the most interesting developments won't exist until neuro-interfaces exist.
thestringpuller: because I doubt current humans can make computer better than brain.
nubbins`: reminiscent of the bank of FPGAs learning to distinguish audio tones
nubbins`: leading to gibberish circuits, relying on physical imperfections in resonance of container, etc
nubbins`: this is a terrifyingly accurate representation of meat-based life, i fear
nubbins`: e.g. take twin brains, copy "save-state" from one to other; madness, frothing mouth.
trinque: I have a friend in prosthetics who once explained at length to me that the brain doesn't begin knowing how to see, smell, etc
☟︎ trinque: it learns how to over time
trinque: this leads to being able to wire visual inputs into the tongue, and having the brain eventually learn to make a picture from this
☟︎ trinque: the above doesn't seem to bode well for having a model of cognition any time soon
trinque: as it might be drastically different from noggin to noggin
trinque: it also seems to suggest that mind-amplification is a much nearer goal than AI, as the brain's own ability to handle new inputs can be leaned upon
trinque: this is what I'm aiming to say, that my friend has said he knows very little about *how* the brain forms a picture, only that it will (waves hands) learn to when given input representing one
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assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 01:31:16; mircea_popescu: "if thge best you can come up with is otp - give me back the cpu and take this mechanical gearbox instead"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> but the other kind. << im actually writing about this.
mircea_popescu: the one with the army which, going through a field, encounters the same problems all the previous ones did.
mircea_popescu: trinque> it also seems to suggest that mind-amplification << mind amplification is really an everyday thing. that's what b-a does, and before b-a that's what the internet tried, and before that books, and so on.
mircea_popescu: fucking dogs do it, some of them at least, as per that experiment discussed in the logs.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo this prolly shoujld be qntra << If someone know something at all about Go, I know jack shit.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it sorta ended a larger piece, ima trilema.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> looks like he's throwing the match ? << Possibru? COunting on people not knowing Go?
mircea_popescu: how about the other one! that's what i really am after.
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BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> i didn't really design that. was just the default theme for the latest wordpress << Fing and play with toolbox, and by play with I mean delete shit and make it more minimalist. Do leave the screenreader stuff in and if possibru improve it.
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo it sorta ended a larger piece, ima trilema. << cool
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assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 21:20:12; mircea_popescu: phf my mental model is essentially "awk without regexp"
mircea_popescu: nah. much older, was in a tail end of a discussion of art iirc
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> but the other kind. << there's a deep reason the bayesian religion is widely appealing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i will call this - ersatz cognition << the problem being that, much like in the case of blub, ersatz cognition can only be recognized by people not blessed with it.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: perhaps different outlook, knowing you can't emulate human mind on current machines. perhaps the only way to "true AI" is some cyborg thing of a brain plugged up to machinery...
mircea_popescu: a young consumation girl [ie, whore], otherwise clever and vivacious, receiving some caviar aside the mug of vodka, proceeded to explain some matters t ome.
mircea_popescu: specifically, that these black roe, large and soft as were put before her, are evidently inferior to true black roe, as she always gets at [we're skipping this, lest we shame the third party]. which are small, much, much smaller, needle sized, and tough, so you can crack them in your teeth.
mircea_popescu: working by analogy with the fruits in the marketr stall, or perhaps even herself and her sisters, her ladyship figured such : what is good is tough and rocky, what's overripe, soft, unrestrained in the belts of rubbery skin is obviously iunferior.
mircea_popescu: let the beluga take its unfortunate form emergently to mr doctor X, so as to receive bookend implants.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: the current crud exists just as alchemy once existed, you expect alchemist to understand modern chemistry?
mircea_popescu: anyway - i welcome the antivirus-based new gestapo. it will doubtlessly work as well as the new us model army, seen at the muchly trumpeted, quickly forgotten tikrit offensive.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller who in your view made the switch between the two ?
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mircea_popescu: traditionally, lavoisier, i suppose. but mind that many people understood what you call chemistry long before the 1600s, and similarly an interest in alchemy survived long after.
thestringpuller: well i was more under the assumption philosopher stone of AI (a sorta Star Trek TNG "Data") doesn't currently have a means of existing
mircea_popescu: speaking of ancient arcana - who even noticed that the soviet ideas of central planning are a direct calc copy off the way turkish empire ran ?
mircea_popescu: as theory. this theory had lain fallow since suleyman.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter - all soviets, personal slaves of stalin.
mircea_popescu: and since i mentioned the armenian genocide - the experience of erryday life among this lower class in the very wot-driven turkish empire quite exactly maps what i expect to be the lot of the keyless in the not-so-distant future.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform twas deeply bureaucratic. the ENGLISH thought them overbureaucratized.
mircea_popescu: not so hastily, no. they only started copying under the last sultan, after russian defeat.
mircea_popescu: we didn't know that "surrender" would be an acceptable end.
mircea_popescu: how does it work, hassabis goes "hey, quit already, we're running out of tape" ?
mircea_popescu: you want to maximize its exposure. no conceivable reason to ever quit.
mircea_popescu: the argument is there. not particularly strong. also note that the bar for bitbet arguments is crazy low. we've seen absurdities argued the likes of which would scare a highschool teacher.
mircea_popescu: but none of this changes that... the argument IS there.
mircea_popescu: fact is, fraud is traditionally inseparable from this sort of central event
mircea_popescu: what else is "flashed in bios" ? don't whip the wife ? bow before government ?
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 13:38:44; assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 13:33:19; *: mircea_popescu is incredibly fucking glad he never gave in to the temptation as a child, and systematically never regarded go as anything above or beyond parlor trick to entertain oneself with teh nude houri postcoitally, in spite of perhaps reasonable and well reasoned arguments to the contrary.
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mircea_popescu: hey, i'm admitting it as a sin, not proposing it as a moral.
mircea_popescu: imo - go-open-to-public was an unwelcome bastion of "impaciuitorism" in the way of the republic.
mircea_popescu: no, we can't have peace with the bourgeois still around. burn them.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform romanian version of the russian word for "dealing with the capitalists"
mircea_popescu: the important point being, that there must be no room, no place and no hope for intelligent men in the society of subhumans.
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 16:28:24; asciilifeform: l0l looks like i transmitted everything twice
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> actually most pro games end in surrender << Seems to be one of the few similarities with ches
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thestringpuller: but then again if aliens come down and deliver us philosopher stone that t
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adlai actually wanted to continue the 'philosopher stone' thread!
adlai wonders whether the low price tag of responsible disclosure stems from the glass cannon nature of indiscretionary usage
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 19:25:33; *: adlai wonders whether the low price tag of responsible disclosure stems from the glass cannon nature of indiscretionary usage
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assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 20:47:52; thestringpuller: #occupybitcoin
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 20:47:52; thestringpuller: #occupybitcoin
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thestringpuller: asciilifeform: a lot of the snoooooore-fest article coming from likes of armstrong and company, sound like stuff people would rant at occupy wallstreet
danielpbarron: to whomever was running a brute force on my wordpress login, yeah I noticed. time to find a new IP
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assbot: The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1UTpmg4 )
mircea_popescu: 18* adlai wonders whether the low price tag of responsible disclosure stems from the glass cannon nature << doesn't seem glass cannon-y at all, with any patience you could have hijacked some "notable" accounts made them do some funky shit.
mircea_popescu: no, guy is just some derp trying to find a place in usg, as opposed to b-a or isis or whatever. that's all.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "The Police recovered over $500,000 worth of lab equipment stolen from the University, along with 3 hand guns, an assault rifle, 50 years’ worth of military grade rations and twelve 55 gallon barrels (including three almost empty barrels) of what DEA labs have identified as pure liquid Lysergic acid diethylamide, a powerful hallucinogenic drug more commonly known as the street name LSD or Acid."
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 21:51:30; mircea_popescu: no, guy is just some derp trying to find a place in usg, as opposed to b-a or isis or whatever. that's all.
mircea_popescu: "It is not yet known if or when Dr. Winston will be convicted of any crime." indicted, convicted, WHAT THE HELL'S THE DIFFERENCE
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quote re scientist with the army rations and lsd barrels.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> to whomever was running a brute force on my wordpress login << there's thousands of boxes working this 24/7. "seo industry".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basement could be arbitrarily large because of the nuclear shelter fashion.
mats: a pound of the stuff in a local water source sounds like an interesting experiment
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is correct, lsd is psychoactive in micrgram dosage. which means that yes, go to coca-cola plant, come out a liter of lsd lighter, enjoy fireworks in a billion people.
BingoBoingo: mats: But would it survive that kind of dilution in water?
mats: more so than in sunlight?
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thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: they have these bar stools at work for the high tables. the obese people will sit on them and so the pneumatic pump goes out. so now when a normal person sits on it, it slowly sinks down. everytime it happens I'm like "yup an obese person sat on this"
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 16:31:18; trinque: I have a friend in prosthetics who once explained at length to me that the brain doesn't begin knowing how to see, smell, etc
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 16:31:41; trinque: this leads to being able to wire visual inputs into the tongue, and having the brain eventually learn to make a picture from this
assbot: Logged on 09-03-2016 16:38:47; asciilifeform: 'what, pray tell, was the in-between for ?' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's very little to be explained, so far. "the brain consists of a varying set of individual cells, in the billions, which have a number of internal states that have not yet been enumerated either in the collective or reliably individual cases, which connect to other cells through a process they apparently to some degree control but is not otherwise understood, forming patters that are not meaningfully
mircea_popescu: described to any degree and moving electric impulses back and forth".
mircea_popescu: what 'explain' ? there aren't the terms in which the explanation would be made.
mircea_popescu: the general complexity of the cell is perhaps the chief lie of popular conception of biology. "oh yeah, nucleus, cytoplasm, yeah i recall". you recall my left foot. golgi apparatus. a whole set of vacuoles. the nucleus has a membrane in layers. there's dozens of different items in there we don't even fully enumerate - and your understanding isn't good enough to stand for the mithocondria, which, incidentally, also has
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was not a question of building anything, but of understanding, neh ?
mircea_popescu: fine, have it. we still understand flight to a larger degree than cognition.
mircea_popescu: i can formulate the flight equivalent of iq ; you can not formulate the cognitive equivalent of energy.
mircea_popescu: heck, the iq nonsense EVEN EXISTS because people get antsy and prefer to pretend.
trinque: +asciilifeform | but the 'brain learns' thing is pure nonexplanatory obscuratronium. << what, you thought I was satisfied with "learns" as a complete description?
trinque: point was the exact opposite
mircea_popescu: trinque you familiar with the pigeon rewiring experiments ?
mircea_popescu: skinner showed most subhumans not so different from pigeons.
trinque: we've been and will be bolting things to ourselves for far longer than understanding how we're capable of using them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even that reliably. savant still stupid. it DID work to destroy any usable (by us) notion of stupidity, as far as the harpy wailchorus is concerned.
mircea_popescu: anyway, while we differ on what we color iq-ism in, or what you eventually expect it to do, i don't think there's actual disagreement as to what it does.
mircea_popescu: useful in the 60s or w/e, "find the gomer pyles before gunnery sgt gets shot".
mircea_popescu: "find the children that, on their own strength, may see through the idiocy and give them really heavy stones to lift so they don't".
mircea_popescu: it only ever worked like that "fairness" thing, what was the short story ?
mircea_popescu: ALSO for the job of rescuing children, "social media", or rather, the social media facade of b-a works better than iq.
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assbot: And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially hijacked on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1MvB8Kx )
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many wwwtrons the same size actually have this phenomena, where 3 yo article tops the charts. happens to me rather frequently.
mircea_popescu: it's actually rare that something penned the current month is the top read item.
mircea_popescu: yeah but trilema is larger than verge for traffic, not quite the same.
mircea_popescu: anyway, my takeaway from that is that 2012 alfie does not yet know how to go for the jugular of idiots. just identifies things to be angry about, gets angry about them and flails.
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mircea_popescu: you probably realise already that once the reference has to be "whole thread" i win.
mircea_popescu: "Dear Luc prefontaine, > Your last post shows how little you know about Clojure. Your arguments show how little experience (or memory thereof) you have with genuine, interactive, conceptually-consistent Lisp systems."
mircea_popescu: all its friends in the forest brought it gifts. items that they themselves would have preferred.
mircea_popescu: eventually, all the poor turtle got out of the monstrous party was one salad leaf.
mircea_popescu: yes, your dismissal of dear luc is, by some sort of exterior standard, correct. this is not the same as confronting the offender with the inconsistency of his own view ~in his own terms~, which is what i had in mind.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, "confronting tghe offender with the inconsistency of his own view ~in his own terms~" does not at all mean "geting him to stop being an idiot". not in any sense.
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shinohai: Nice logs again someone must have given nubbins a xanax.
JBBetter: Are there developers in here for bitbet.us?
JBBetter: ok, hopefully can message me. Want to discuss about the platform
JBBetter: developing it into something bigger
JBBetter: right, would want to go into pm or private room
mircea_popescu: well, for that you'll have to get into the wot, establish yourself, read the logs for a while...
mircea_popescu: shinohai i guess "community organizing" doesn't pay as well as one'd have expected or w/e.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : "> This last post from you indicates clearly that your horizon is limited and you are allergic to new ideas and cannot bring facts and rationale to your statements. Pray tell, just what are the “new” ideas in Clojure? The idea of setting up an ersatz Lisp on top of the JVM is not the least bit new. Neither is immutable data." << readily the best bit in there. and it is pretty good as it is.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: did ya spot my PM? :P
mircea_popescu: about the RagnarDanneskjol fellow ? i have no idea what he does tbh.
gribble: RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 50 weeks, 4 days, 12 hours, 35 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <RagnarDanneskjol> trinque - i am occasionally using the nick for continued development on punks ver. if anyone here's partial to the name I can pass it over. Wow that xm42
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: my former employer :P
Azelphur: just thought it might amuse you, gone from bad to worse :)
fluffypony: wasn't he the headhunter trying to hire staff for everyone?
mircea_popescu: a while back, yeah. don't think it worked out too well in the end.
Azelphur: I worked for him for a little over a year, he stopped paying me, now I hear he's taking web dev work and telling clients I'm working on their projects...I quit back in December and have no knowledge of said projects
mircea_popescu: is this basically one of those freelancer coder teams thing ?
Azelphur: something like that, only minus the team I guess?
Azelphur: At least, the above is what I was told by one of his supposed clients
mircea_popescu: fluffypony tbh i did spend some time thinking about it - then. i don't see how what he was trying to do could have worked. why the everloving would someone here eschew the benefit of the wot and "hire someone to hire" for you ?
mircea_popescu: when s.mg needed a tech hand diana_coman got it ; the job wasn't on the market nor would s.mg have continued had the job had to go to the market.
fluffypony: yeah, seemed a colossal waste of time in the end
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only way he could have made economic sense was by marketing the spare cycles of well connected people here - outside.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: that seems workable on the surface - until you realise that the one thing being here promises is that those people won't generally WANT to work for $cubefarm.
mircea_popescu: i suppose to be cracked the same way all of them get cracked - guy with immense downlist and very well connected gets off his lazy, stupid fiat-ass and goes through the wot selection process. then has enough spots specific and high level enough to interest the locals. seems a tall order.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "why would i ??!?! i am going to be the president of the united states!" "because you're one twist away from being an idiot" "so ?!"
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