punkman: a wallet spec might be nice to have
punkman: took me a sec to realize that was in F
punkman: asciilifeform: what do you mean 'knowing' that you 'spent.'
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ben_vulpes: this is why tab aligned shit in code is the devil
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "thousands of years of cultural tradition assualting the beloved practice of open defecation in rural India"
trinque: asciilifeform: exwm is... an x11 window manager written in elisp
trinque: I use the thing, love it actually
trinque: so that all windows are emacs buffers
trinque: amounts to being able to get around rather quickly with a uniform set of keybindings and a simple mental model
trinque: rather than having window management both at the x11 level and again in emacs
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: very spiffy looking machine
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "thousands of years of cultural tradition assualting the beloved practice of open defecation in rural India" << should be fixed now
BingoBoingo: Bugged shinohai to write to for the occasion to dust off the preecture
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Shame. That 6502 box looks like it would make a spiffy musical instrument since it has the game port for midi
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trinque: asciilifeform: funkenstein's patches applied to bitcoind patched with the 99996 script for me
trinque: I saw the same error with pywallet
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mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, that pywallet thing is hairy, but i did eventually get it to work
mod6: i'll log my usage next time i use it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125954 @ 0.00055895 = 70.402 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: i think i had to do a -rescan too
kakobrekla: the easiest is to pull wallet from backup :)
ben_vulpes: polarbeard: i *will* however read through several hundred lines of deletion
ben_vulpes: before i confirm your work, please tell me how you determined that these were all unused?
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96200 @ 0.00055633 = 53.5189 BTC [-] {2}
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thestringpuller: !v assbot:thestringpuller.rate.Pierre_Rochard.-1:2cb629256734cb1067a0a8ccdb658802966d720c6bde348f040848156d25442c
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for Pierre_Rochard from 2 to -1 with note: "Yesterday's ally becomes today's opposition." - Wants to be vocal, and hide in the shadows.
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davout: jurov: X.EUR MM bot is back.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150550 @ 0.00055308 = 83.2662 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: punkman: good link. now when is ackman shorting b[,tmsr~]?
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adlai has stopped telling people that bitcoin is not 'network marketed', i mean it is digital money, runs on networks, flows in tubes (both parallel, and series of)
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adlai: !v assbot:adlai.rate.mircea_popescu.10:c26b82ee97b4c01a90dc0229cacda535bc552cd9572b13d759a9554d0fe4f39d
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 7 to 10 with note: I have received more coin from Mircea than I have sent him (indirectly, respectively, directly - respectfully)
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 17:35:04; asciilifeform: but i think i spent more of my life adlaiing than not
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 17:44:17; trinque: to be a simpleton... one will die either way.
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (is there some principle whereby they would wait until i do ? why ?) << Welcome to the weird that is Bitcoin broadcasting
mircea_popescu: it's so bizarre that the usg doesn't embrace herbalife. yes all the arguments against it are solid, but they cut just as much against say, apple. google.
mircea_popescu: "get to be an iphone's worth of cool by telling all your friends" ?
mircea_popescu: if apple isn't direct-marketed then what is ? and what's an apple fan ?
mircea_popescu: notrly. mercedes is sold by poor beta muslim boys telling each other THEY WOULD buy one
☟︎ mircea_popescu: heck, who knows, maybe ackerman's mping all over "classic" finance, started with the easier to lance boil.
mircea_popescu: and by this definition all consumer crud IS IN FACT consumer crud. which yes. it is.
mircea_popescu: just because they're not lame as fguck about it, going telloing kids what the levels "should be" doesn't mean they don't exist.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00056101 = 36.634 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you realise crapple only hires salespeople from the fanbase yes ?
mircea_popescu: they get less than they'd ask for to deliver the same work, if they weren't in the apple ml.
mircea_popescu: they're not making comission, right ? fifth avenue equiv poshness job working chicks ARE.
mircea_popescu: and they also have to be this tall and this booby and this slutty
mircea_popescu: and just like the apple shitheads, they have to spend this % of their income on storep roducts
mircea_popescu: typical airhead 5foot11 blondi that doesn't college and doesn't straight callgirl moves to pretentious store to sell perfume and designer clothes on comission.
mircea_popescu: and is taken on "training" to various hotels where she is expected to fuck the "senior management" and she gladly complies. because hey.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> folks working in ~shops~ somewhere make commission ? << I fucking made commision selling watch batteries in the mall.
BingoBoingo: Same for people a few stalls down selling phones, calendars, etc
mircea_popescu: the attempt to waitress-ify all consumer facing jobs is long in the tooth.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: To be fair this was 07-08 and base pay was above minimum wage. No idea if it still would be
mircea_popescu: no idea if minimum wage would still be meaningful, either.
BingoBoingo: But this was also back when floor space for the kiosk was $5000/month no idea where that has gone, but likely down.
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BingoBoingo: In other news there's rumbling ECB is set to kill the 500 euro note, but no source worth linking yet
shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.unrate.liquidassets:d22d27f15bd1997ea3bff0b032d8e8019ab00763506732bab17f7f5034a1de94
assbot: Successfully unrated liquidassets
shinohai: tumbrinas don't get to decide what is anything.
trinque: hell of a mentality, where the things you do are the things you "get to" do
shinohai: I do get to decide not to eat 4 buckets of Wal-MArt chicken in one sitting so as not to be labeled obese.
BingoBoingo: Notice though how all of those ideological avatars are rotund. Every single one of them is obese.
BingoBoingo: But apparently it doesn't count as obesity anymore until a person is so fat they spread out like a pancake
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trinque: shinohai: I mean specifically that they see all things as prohibited, aside exceptions you "get to"
☟︎ trinque: at least religions of the past had something of an enumerated list of prohibitions
shinohai: Sadly even that has devolved based on what religious leader you happen to follow. At least in usa
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assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 13:16:28; asciilifeform: (can anybody identify the kbd ?)
pete_dushenski: though i eaaagerly await the results of the alphago bet now that 'most of alf's net worth' is on the line. that's sitg, folks.
pete_dushenski: but if 'organs won't buy bulldozer', most isn't a stretch
mats: asciilifeform: didja bet yes or no?
pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406042 << as with all new german cars, yes. this comment on baruth's blog recently sharply sums up this arriviste betaboi phenomenon : "If you’re distraught about the Macan demo now, wait until the 4cyl comes out with a $499 lease special and a whole new segment of buyers. I can tell you from experience (I sell Audis as well) that the ‘aspirational’ luxury bu
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 13:18:49; mircea_popescu: notrly. mercedes is sold by poor beta muslim boys telling each other THEY WOULD buy one
pete_dushenski: yer is different breed…just wait for the Insta posts of a millennial couple with #porsche #madeit #lifegoals #adulting"
mats: i'm not caught up on logs
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha k, so let's see here. 25 years ago a young couple leaves china, lebanon, russia, or the like and moves to us/canada. they proceed to find gainful employment buying or selling something or other and set about raising two children. the immigrant couple, after working diligently to put their children through university, ensuring that their kids never know physical hardship nor so much as an overd
pete_dushenski: ue credit card balance, proudly watch as both kids graduate as professionals, maybe optometrists or accountants. as these kids have never had to save for anything, nor even been encumbered by uncertainty, they proceed to 'show off' their entirely disposable incomes with the purchase of nice watches and leased bmws, audis, mercedes, or porsche crossovers and to 'post' 'their' 'success' on social medias and pick u
pete_dushenski: p their friends for brunch on sunday morning while talking at length about what option boxes (of the 4 available) they ticked or didn't, and why or why not. this 'aspie' set has no goals beyond the moment's likes and hearts, not unlike the set that tlp mischaracterised as patek philippe owners.
pete_dushenski: as to the organic food angle, the car market is actually quite a different beast, mostly because there is no 'quality' to be had for love or money. a new mercedes will break just as readily as a new kia, just more expensively.
pete_dushenski: why do you think i, who can afford whatever i please, bought 'cheap' 'rusty' 26yo car ?
pete_dushenski: and in case anyone is curious about how 'cheap' and old merc is... it's not. i paid more in maintenance and repairs in the first year of ownership than i laid out in initial capital.
mats: alphago bitbet prop, that is.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: maybe more like fridge in that others actually notice the brand, finishes, etc
pete_dushenski: unless 'lord of the brooms' cares to defend a position to the contrary
pete_dushenski: because you don't socialise with meat, whereas 99.4% of population does.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77250 @ 0.00056506 = 43.6509 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: that's the other tragic angle of the lack of quality, as it happens, everything fucking ~looks~ the same.
pete_dushenski: goddam autocad car designers just wanna be like poorfag architects
adlai: mats: more "money left on the table"!
mats: adlai: yeah, he didn't use an affiliate link
mats: i stumped 2.5btc, should be a good show
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: rolls royce looks like chrysler, mercedes looks like kia, and on and on and on. this is why my 'toy' would be 'morgan 3-wheeler' but afaik they're not importable to canada atm.
mats: asciilifeform: operator drinks from google hose, doesn't need to redeem cola cans for nickels
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mats: plenty of time left, and 'geekwire' has given bitbet some exposure
mats: fan hui shit himself during the match and i think folks are overrating the ai strength
mats: what is this 50-50 odds bs
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63300 @ 0.00056538 = 35.7886 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: mats: friend who introduced me to go claims "tournament champions should already have experience not in shitting themselves under pressure"
adlai reckons bet weights that taper sharply (like this one) to be better at sounding out 'insiders'?
mats: i'd bet 2.5btc all of two people can explain what 'alphago' actually did when evaluating decisions during the fan hui match
adlai: explain on what level? "the ANN weighings blabla" is not the same as "play away from thickness"
adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 17:20:06; ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
jurov: soo i'm looking on letsencrypt, which can auth the domain by adding stuff to webroot. so, no need for it to be ran under root you'd say
jurov: but not. i had to add /etc/letsencrypt, /var/log/letsencrypt writable to it
jurov: and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?!
☟︎ jurov: startssl it is again, i guess
jurov: i have several webservers, internal and external
jurov: not up to pushing my own CA to everyone that uses them
jurov: but i don't use free certs for that.
jurov: also have other $projects which I host e.g. wiki for
jurov: these wait for gopher over whispernet or what is the #b-a replacement vaporware called
adlai: interestingly enough, 'abusing' image recognition ANNs to generate images generates surprisingly similar imagery to that which is found from an analogous process on NNNs
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adlai: human go skill allegedly improves with saki consumption, i wonder whether they emulate this in the program or settle for programmer-mediated emulation
adlai: if alphago were really intelligent(tm), it would be betting on/against itself
adlai: and fleece money by fooling its creators
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i remember, a coupla years ago, when i first saw a live 'mazerati' << In one of the college towns I lived in there was one I'd frequently see as it bounced from parking lot to parking lot, looking more like weathered trash than other cars of similar age.
kakobrekla: thinking anyone at google is even aware of bitbet is delusional.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> yes, if it were a personal work of brin the younger, i would not be surprised re: no bets. << I'm not entirely sold on Deep Blue II electric boogaloo having been definitive for chess. Kasparov was not Undisputed in his championship at the time. His title was not recognized by FIDE.
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 04:51:38; ben_vulpes: before i confirm your work, please tell me how you determined that these were all unused?
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:28:31; mats: what is this 50-50 odds bs
kakobrekla: anyway speaking of bitbet, there has been a large amount of rouge behavior on it for the past ~2 weeks
danielpbarron: i pointed out the missing ref= on the alphaGo bet in that geekwire article; let's see if they update it :D
adlai has been trying to hook up a captcha solver so he can stop handspamming it
kakobrekla: bots and humans trying to get in the systemz/break in the server/deplete deposit address supply etc etc
kakobrekla: no, it is happening all the time but it went way up from the usual noise
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assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 03:56:29; asciilifeform: this kind of thing would be an expensive but very decent display-shield.
mircea_popescu: and THAT can be nickel, or anodized zinc or w/e the fuck you feel like.
mircea_popescu: due to the low power consumption of modern displays, this really can just be the mount.
mircea_popescu: i almost wouldn't even need my "run gamma at 40%" thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the other consideration is that JUST LIKE WITH a cipher... there could be hidden key in there.,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98300 @ 0.00056232 = 55.2761 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, "this shield is passible to X frequency"
mircea_popescu: "Scalia was found with a pillow over his head wearing unwrinkled pajamas (archived). " o.O
BingoBoingo: Came out today, turned the thing into news
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 20:15:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is where scalia's magical formula comes into play
assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 01:55:31; asciilifeform: 'you got due process, now stfu and sizzle in the electric chair' -- scalia
BingoBoingo: Guess this is the Classi, with a dick on the C fucking the a in the assi, version of zipping self into duffelbag in the tub
BingoBoingo: 30 years on the bench and he was still one of the younger ones
BingoBoingo: But it's normal for people dying of natural causes in their sleep to struggle a bit.
mircea_popescu: i guess the obama section of democrats are resigned to losing to the other one, or else they wouldn't be running around with this sort of crap.
BingoBoingo: Turns out the only democratic party segments Clitler appeals to are old women and people who directly trade favors with the Clinton establishment
mircea_popescu: old women are one of the most horrible bases to build government onto.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He seems like a clear Senate veto for his history of persecuting elected officials. More likely he'll be the Bernie Sanders Attorney General
mircea_popescu: bharara has no political future anymore than that guy deleted out of stalin's picture did.
mircea_popescu: the political future belongs to the current 15 yo who grew up during bharara's days
BingoBoingo: But asciilifeform They are floating around the names of other loyal Indians
mircea_popescu: and is consequently even more of a heel than his father could ever have been
jurov: omg shielding lcd with metamaterial...
jurov: what about proper lowpass filters for lcd signals...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00056721 = 45.0648 BTC [+]
jurov: aw, tvtropeswent full bootstrap.. my eyes hurt
jurov: judging from optical usb extenders, it's not
mircea_popescu: because fiber needs terminators and doesn't take well to damage.
mircea_popescu: optic cables are more fragile than anything found in derp house.
BingoBoingo: In my experience it is same people who drop pnohe that repeat that mistake indefinitely
jurov: also, to have gigabit 4K bandwidth, you need singlemode fiber. and that has much more expensive connectors
jurov: defon not consumer stuff
mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand this whole "Consumer" thing all too well.
jurov: i happen to prefer cables that are't sensitive to get pinched inadvertently
mircea_popescu: i suspect that's the operational difference. yes you can't really bend sharply a dtvi cable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform buy fiber, not like it's sold by permit.
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jurov: solder a photodoiode
mircea_popescu: dude, you are the one that said, and i quote, <asciilifeform> i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox
jurov: and do you have tempest computer case already?
jurov: maaybe if the keyboard was shielded, too
jurov: best if both em and acoustically
jurov: yes. but how would toslink help there
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 16:04:22; trinque: shinohai: I mean specifically that they see all things as prohibited, aside exceptions you "get to"
jurov: does the 1,5m usb cable radiate so much?
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2016 00:13:06; mircea_popescu: sure. i've been hoping to do some snuff videos of "operatives" caught with gear for years now.
mircea_popescu: the point remains : acquiring and defending sovereignity, cheaper than trying to perfect anonimity.
mircea_popescu: from this fundamental inequality all things follow, such as god fucking help you if you try to play the field agent with me.
shinohai: !rate asciilifeform 2 trb and general wizard, slayer of enemies of the Republic both foreign and domestic.
shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.asciilifeform.2:460c36c39f1a369f03a39eb3400dee91a59f2f81f160b5dd491686d9e6196798
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for asciilifeform with note: trb and general wizard, slayer of enemies of the Republic both foreign and domestic.
jurov: replacing of usb cables with proper shielding might get the stuff done and easier to do than optic
mircea_popescu: jurov at the rate he's going, the only sane aproach is to redo the wallpaper, in mesh.
BingoBoingo: Nah, solid steel walls catch more spectrum
mircea_popescu: which incidentally is exactly how this problem is approached profesionally, insulate a room.
jurov: so supply it with battery
mircea_popescu: why is faraday room expensive ? aluminum siding, legitimate industree.
shinohai: !rate mircea_popescu 2 Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert. Have learned much from reading his offerings.
jurov: and optocouplers leak nothing?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, you know how to solve the problem but don't want to because not enough engineering involved.
shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.mircea_popescu.2:158d41f25082a2cd2a832c0c2945b4807b2b877076ea81a5f27390f4899e1c57
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 1 to 2 with note: Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert. Have learned much from reading his offerings.
mircea_popescu: much like say a social worker would be "oh, this solution doesn't provide work for enough social workers"
mircea_popescu: would you stop trying to support this insane lifestyle of "i need laptop" ?
mircea_popescu: you'll also not have easy, meaningless sex with random women that you enjoy. and you won't be able to eat from garbage cans and always find exactly what you wanted to find in there.
mircea_popescu: the solution to these faux problems is always the same, "don't want very much". which will make random offering perfectly fine.
jurov: btw, your brain leaks, too
mircea_popescu: "we don't have iron, so we make swords of the reeds we have" is not sense.
jurov: if you can't design yourself, don't tell us it would be cheap
mircea_popescu: jurov "they don't succeed at making money, but that's secondary - they succeed at feeling like a trader".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187150 @ 0.00056093 = 104.978 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:03:19; asciilifeform: that'd be a global plague, affecting all fat & comfortable folks everywhere ?
shinohai: BingoBoingo: Shouldn't line read "cessation of continued heart beats" ?
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:04:21; asciilifeform: it suggests that erdos was right, most people 'have no theorems to prove', the idiot social stotting game ~is~ the point of living, to them.
adlai: this is why markets are excellent... they're the dissertation committee that never goes home
mircea_popescu: ask newton if he more enjoyed his time with the euro jet set that recognized the lion by his claw ; or with the domestic merchant class that drove the south sea bubble.
adlai: eh, markets make sense quite often, trouble is milking out the sense before the market understands itself
adlai: (change-class goban 'ouija)
mircea_popescu: "making sense quite often" is like the cipher that mostly works lol
adlai: on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everycipher drops to mostly
adlai: if you're better at quantifying how much sense a market's making to you, than other traders, then you stand to earn more, more often, than them.
adlai: even without "understanding" it in any deterministic sense
mircea_popescu: that's the fucking thing there. "some people have no theorems to prove ; most people have no friends that'd know a proof"
adlai goes back to slinging conses, because he's "not good enough to sling dope"
mircea_popescu: i didn't go to school every morning i knew the other kids would show up because "i had theorems to prove"
mircea_popescu: i went because when we were all together it was pretty cool.
thestringpuller: "They shouldn't have to care. They're users. The entire point of being a user is not having to care."
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nice epitaph for heroin addict. << Note the shared self destructiveness of the illnesses. To be a "user" is to plot a fatal course.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: "In Internet slang, a luser (sometimes expanded to local user; also luzer or luzzer) is a painfully annoying, stupid, or irritating computer user."
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller notreally. it's just a dude that expects computers to be metaphysical objects not made of discrete parts.
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:15:15; asciilifeform: (did this ever actually work...?)
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:22:55; asciilifeform: mats: as i understand, 'alphago' is a corporate operation, with many folks involved, all over the pay scale.
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:33:11; *: adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms
adlai: mircea_popescu: only reason i ignore my unqualification to comment on this topic is that some dude showed up at the local bitcoin wateringhole to demo his luser-friendly stockfish interpreter
adlai: dude's illusory relevance to bitcoin was looking for some in order to polish the thing off; which is ironic, because it was quite polished already! unclear where to insert coin.
adlai just babysits the watering hole and the folks find their way in... it's right across from the stock exchange, people literally walk in and ask "didn't bitcoin die last year"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152700 @ 0.00056883 = 86.8603 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:36:26; asciilifeform: nn works until it 'doesn't want to', at which point - doesn't.
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 18:37:44; jurov: and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?!
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 19:04:00; kakobrekla: thinking anyone at google is even aware of bitbet is delusional.
mircea_popescu: glasses! let's see if this makes alf say she has an expression! maybe he only digs intellectual chix
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i suppose the problem of ages is whether cunt is mp-complete or merely mp-hard ?
jurov: BingoBoingo: The Billion Dollar blimp which WAS the victim
jurov: now you have to send me one share :)
BingoBoingo rearranging booksshelves, because seems like most practical way to make reading list
shinohai: The blimp article is just priceless BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll take a picture once I get it sorted. Some things like SICP have yet to be acquired.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I saw, but I like to scribble.
BingoBoingo: Not too uncommon. At Carbondale one graduate class I took on (John) Dewey was filled with Chinese students sent by the Party to get Pragmatized.
BingoBoingo: Let us not forget occasional catastrophe has only become more frequent as NSA has aged
BingoBoingo: Old NASA has Apollo 1 as its sole mega catastrophe (Apollo 13 counts instead as elegant save). New NASA lost two space shuttles.
BingoBoingo: They exploded for good reason. Entropy tends to find a way.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The 30 or so rockets in first stage was likely ill advised.
BingoBoingo: 30 irv's prolly fine. 30 mega kerosene openings at the bottom seems like invitation to problem.
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2016 23:39:11; asciilifeform: nasa is great to learn from if you have 1) infinite budget 2) tolerance for occasional catastrophe