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asciilifeform: trinque: idea is, heathens could donate anon ( admittedly tall order, that any want to )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in doubting heathens, https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-09#22301347;
ben_vulpes: so seems like ftp for l2 heathens, and shell for known l2 and heathens who bathe/stick around for a while and get friendly is a plausible perforation
asciilifeform: ( heathens virtually always insist on 'private' comm, and have to be beaten with a stick to even contemplate sane conversation )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 01:50 asciilifeform: here's a sample of convos b/w asciilifeform and heathens ( whom he knows irl, over yrs ) : 'why didja put it in UY, bw costs 4x moar than in usa and cia will still steal yer iron eventually' ; 'i have to do what!? to get server in the rack?!' etc
asciilifeform: heathens on the board, for instance, imho would thoroughly trash the 'l1 isp' premise.
asciilifeform: and by extension, for instance, rng ( witness the lack of excitement among heathens in re fg, for instance : 'expensive, and what exactly does this do that my intel doesn't')
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 17:10 asciilifeform: ( i still have nfi, fwiw, who/where linked to it, to which heathens, possibly from mircea_popescu's logs later we will know some of it )
asciilifeform: ( i still have nfi, fwiw, who/where linked to it, to which heathens, possibly from mircea_popescu's logs later we will know some of it ) ☟︎
lobbes: I don't know sales, but I know heathens; I wager those rockchips will be a way easier sell than the shared hosting, for e.g.
asciilifeform: so far nobody's managed to provoke any interest among heathens in fg, rented or bought or etc. , afaik
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trouble is that presently nobody seems to know anything about how to sell anything whatsoever to heathens.
asciilifeform: here's a sample of convos b/w asciilifeform and heathens ( whom he knows irl, over yrs ) : 'why didja put it in UY, bw costs 4x moar than in usa and cia will still steal yer iron eventually' ; 'i have to do what!? to get server in the rack?!' etc ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( the main trouble with heathens, is that they can't tell troo-rsa from figernail dirt; e.gl FG is just 'weird expensive version of intel rdrand' to them )
asciilifeform: heathens do like advance-warning.
asciilifeform: also prolly should make explicit, that heathens who colocate iron and terminate (through whatever reason) account, must pay the cost of transporting it back, should they wish to regain it
asciilifeform: when dealing with heathens, hard caps is a must
ben_vulpes: and heathens atop rockchips or heathens atop shared hosting
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu : apr report will reveal the rough # of heathens needed , among other key facts
asciilifeform: and , meanwhile, speaking of heathens reaping the fruits of heathen isps, cryptome loox finally dead.
ascii_lander: i suspect that heathens will find our offering a bit on expensive side atm
asciilifeform: (supposing coin-bearing heathens were to appear)
asciilifeform: though will add, unlike shared-hosting service, there is little to no practical barrier to leasing these out to heathens
asciilifeform: heathens do not have this headache in their pigstys
asciilifeform: the correct algo, i suspect, is not to lament an abstract 'lisp' that 'became' wrong thing, but to simply confiscate whole stack from the heathens.
mircea_popescu: that the heathens can't discern how many boxes
a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 17:40 asciilifeform: as far as i can see, there is a shortage of heathens who have any btc to spend to begin with. (much less who want to spend it on a vps)
diana_coman: out of curiosity why marketed to heathens?
asciilifeform: as far as i can see, there is a shortage of heathens who have any btc to spend to begin with. (much less who want to spend it on a vps) ☟︎
asciilifeform: it is not clear to me that 'vps marketed to heathens, for btc' is a viable model. but then again i am not business wizard, possibly someone with mp-level brain could have done this
asciilifeform: let's suppose for gedankenexperiment that i could borrow mircea_popescu's nazi submarine and ship'em in duty-free. that still leaves 12*1600 == 19200 heathenbuxxorz for basic vps ( rented, presumably , to heathens, who will somehow agree to part with coin? but this is separate thread..)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...cuz heathens write against specific ver of $lib, naturally
asciilifeform: ave1: we're doomed to eventually fork it and tune out the heathens forever.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 21:37 mircea_popescu: phf and if you don't share with heathens, make it so !!shelf returns a pile encrypted to my key for instance, nothing wrong with that.
mircea_popescu: phf and if you don't share with heathens, make it so !!shelf returns a pile encrypted to my key for instance, nothing wrong with that. ☟︎
shinohai: Happy Festivus to all my fellow heathens
asciilifeform: it isn't as if the heathens read, or ever read, it
trinque: "eudev" exists as an alternative to the systemd-udev. dunno what else the heathens stapled to systemd meanwhile
asciilifeform: ftr i spent more time, hour for hour, on ffa in past yr than among the heathens.
asciilifeform: aha, that's what it was called. the item which i suspect is 99% of what draws the heathens into 'git' etc
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : sad story of non-tmsr wot implemented by heathens. 60k or so ratings totally exchanged, item collapsed into uselessness. why ? because not had and therefore not observed the http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ bible.
asciilifeform: ( to nitpick, yes the heathens have a scenario where it still does something, where everybody has 'star topology' 'wot' consisting of the greatinca. but to call this 'meaningful' is a stretch. )
a111: Logged on 2017-09-05 13:16 asciilifeform: ( the people who gave us shitty kbd and gorilla-arm, the heathens refer to as 'hci'. )
asciilifeform: ( the people who gave us shitty kbd and gorilla-arm, the heathens refer to as 'hci'. ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: witness these poor heathens' view of patents, tho
asciilifeform: aaah the heathens
asciilifeform: 'utxo set' is of the heathens.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704234 << my q for kanzure -- why not do this with own hands ? what do you need the heathens for ? just do it. iirc you even have money. and hands. so. do. it. ☝︎
asciilifeform: no moar 'we heathens have faster rsa because mother dropped us as babies and our rsatron does different work on different hamming weights'
asciilifeform: that's heathens
asciilifeform: who wants to be the hero, to confiscate usenet fossils from the heathens?
asciilifeform: i'll point out that i do not know of a different recipe than mircea_popescu's ( and in fact is same used by 'skype' and various heathens , for many years. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: them heathens dun have logz, do they.
asciilifeform had never heard of this particular set of heathens prior, but it is lulzy.
asciilifeform: the most egregious heathens ('mainstream media' organs etc) worked quite hard to make their www ~unarchivable, and largely -- succeeded
asciilifeform: the heathens think it to be 50 btc : https://blockchain.info/address/16va6NxJrMGe5d2LP6wUzuVnzBBoKQZKom
mircea_popescu: well the biblical interpretation is neither clear nor practically relevant, seeing how heathens exist but biblical marriages are necessarily livresque.
asciilifeform: (and on the edges of the graph, you're stuck talking to heathens unless mining were somehow brought into the fold)
asciilifeform: fwiw the heathens seem to have this same 419373 , https://blockchain.info/block-index/1242663
asciilifeform: it is not particularly difficult for tmsr folk to avoid situation where this boojum matters. however it is quite ~impossible~ for heathens to avoid.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607060 << Perhaps venture into the wilds and minister to heathens? ☝︎
adlai: context for heathens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE
asciilifeform: so you end up needing a third. (supposing that you are trying to speak the old protocol, with heathens!)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, i'm not surfe i want it to work on heathens what.
asciilifeform: deedbot key getter dun work in heathens, does it..?
asciilifeform: maybe jurov , who saw it fit to share these with the heathens instead of with us, knows.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582504 << this sounds like a terrible idea. directly expose what amounts to 100s of MB of crapolade code by heathens, rather than 1pg by actual person ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: how, pray tell ? and check out how easy it is to unearth the heathens.
asciilifeform: it all reduces to the fact that there is no cad but that of the heathens
asciilifeform: mining - afaik - remains a thing that happens among the heathens strictly.
asciilifeform: trinque: the heathens only list a node if it reports >0.8 iirc.
asciilifeform: in so far as heathens go, this one is worth writing to imho
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, shinohai , anybody with not so much to do but energy/time, why not reach out to these poor heathens and ask'em what the hell they thing they are doing on this 'airgapped' box.
mircea_popescu: you, apparently. /me recalls this discussion where he was using everything full screen and heathens balked.
asciilifeform: http://blog.jim.com/crypto/against-urbit << poor heathens dance around the elephant
ben_vulpes: rebroadcasting from the heathens: https://cointelegraph.com/news/monero-loses-darknet-market-in-apparent-exit-scam
asciilifeform: and just when i thought that the heathens had equilibrated at the bottom of their pit
adlai: the only good drug is a dead drug! (only heathens lick live toads)
asciilifeform: poor heathens.
asciilifeform: i keep forgetting what knobs the heathens lack
asciilifeform: afaik room full of hand-picked heathens there.
asciilifeform: has to do with program being written by heathens who do not understand that ALL deps must be CARRIED !
asciilifeform: but asciilifeform's outings among the heathens, happened in heathendom.
asciilifeform: hence - did not use after heathens got to it.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes talks to heathens via smoke signal or wat.
asciilifeform: i set up an sks node at one point but barfed when i learned that i would have to ask heathens for PERMISSION
asciilifeform: contemplated strictly here. and nowhere else. because, while various folks made noises about 'throw away openssl', 100% of heathens are dead-set on re-creating the very same culture that resulted in it.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the web message box is a useful thing, and in fact the only way for heathens to talk into gossipd transmitter in the future.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476897 << mod6 i was talking about the stator.sh in the tarball distributed on therealbitcoin.org. but more generally speaking we should NOT be linking to openssl.org or other heathens! the tarballs are not so big, they ought to be on trb site. ☝︎
asciilifeform: or my nodes (which drop all heathens) would not register.
asciilifeform: i go and engage with the motherfucking heathens,
asciilifeform: funny how folks remain interested, somehow, in this number, though it comes from the heathens.
adlai: ( for the heathens - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C5%8Dan#Killing_the_Buddha )
asciilifeform: because, to heathens, it is often indistinguishable from the real thing, like the ersatz foods, plastic cars, and other detritus of modernity
asciilifeform: because, to heathens, it is often indistinguishable from the real thing, like the ersatz foods, plastic cars, and other detritus of modernity
asciilifeform: and the item would, in all likelihood, have to be an fpga. (that can be sold to heathens)
asciilifeform: though he worked for 58 years for usg and was in 'plum book' (emeritus, or whatever the heathens call it)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: granted, i have nfi what the heathens run.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there was no shortage of this crud while i was actively writing for the heathens.
asciilifeform: i meant, for the heathens.