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mircea_popescu: funny thing when an ed article is actually better on any reasonable scoring than anything the jewry spewed out on the topic.
mircea_popescu: this ted danson is just about ready to go the way of the other, practically out of the 18 month best-by date. or am i confusing the very famous with that britney durham chick whatever her name was ? the white trash "singer" / newswoman whatever ?
BingoBoingo: lol, Much has changed in the decade since MP's visit to the swamp
BingoBoingo: Maybe because illustrator hasn't seen one? This is the internet.
mircea_popescu: myeah, the ombilical cord is also very unconvincing. pity, the anatomically correct representation of viscera drives a lot of visceral appeal.
hanbot: hey jurov where do the treasurer's reports go? not on explo.yt/deedbot?
hanbot: oh mailing list eh. why not deed em?
mod6: thx mircea_popescu & hanbot
mod6: the phuctor phisting continues.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-13 23:35 mircea_popescu: but yes, congratulations are definitely in order for alf's foresight in implementing phuctor as he did. w/o the 8ball that module'd have never fallen.
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566874 << re. republican dns root (i think this term is not ambiguous), as far as i can see, if bob owned .whatever TLD and john owned john.whatever SLD, then queries for john.whatever would still "pass" through bob's .whatever zone file.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-11-13 19:45 mircea_popescu: any string is any string.
Framedragger: hence in effect, bob would control john's domain. hierarchy is baked into dns root.
Framedragger: this is fine as long as it's made clear in regards to ownership etc.; but it does put some additional responsibility / ontological charge(?) onto folks who'd own a TLD
Framedragger: (btw amusingly, non-reich DNS roots are called "alt roots". tmsr could call it "*the* dns root", or "the republican dns root". or something.)
Framedragger: "His "reactor" ended when the EPA declared his backyard as a Superfund cleanup site due to hazardous levels of radiation." oh yeah i remember reading about that! hm. so, radiation kills, then. RIP boy scout.
Framedragger: ben_vulpes battling it out in #opennic, i see!
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: do you have logs for #opennic somewhere handy by chance?
deedbot: vvande voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1566990 << there is no such thing as "tld". there's just strings. if you query r-dns for "fucksgoats" you get ip for "fucksgoats". if you query for "hurrdurr.fuckgoats" you get ip for "hurrdurr.fucksgoats". if you query for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" you get ip for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6".
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-11-14 09:34 Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566874 << re. republican dns root (i think this term is not ambiguous), as far as i can see, if bob owned .whatever TLD and john owned john.whatever SLD, then queries for john.whatever would still "pass" through bob's .whatever zone file.
mircea_popescu: it is up to your client to decide if the domain "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" should be queried as "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" or "OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" or ".." or "nasa.org" or whatnot. dns just answers queries, and nothing else.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: this implies that there's basically a single dns server, though. it does not delegate to other dns servers, like what we have now
mircea_popescu: it doesn't "delegate", it caches. you know, like in sanity land, as opposed to some bs hacked together by people who didn't go to school for cs 30 yearsd ago.
Framedragger: (i mean, there could be caching servers, but they'd have to have the same up to date map of all strings to IPs.)
mircea_popescu: they would have to be "the same" and "up to date" in the sense of dns "give it a day".
Framedragger: delegate = "i don't know about this, but this guy does. ask him"
mircea_popescu: also note that nothing in the discussed scheme prevents you from doing delegation. yiu can just decide to split on the basis of the last character ; or the last two.
mircea_popescu: it just correctly orthogonalizes the matter of delegation, which is dns internal cooking, and not the client's business.
mircea_popescu: there's no reason ~you~ should know aforehand what the dns servers will tell you to ask if you look for "string containing substring x" ; and the fact that you DO know who to ask for ".com" is just another sign of the above "some bs hacked together by people who didn't go to school for cs 30 yearsd ago"
Framedragger: hmm. i'm still not sure if your scheme does not require additional customization of dns server software (bind/unbound/whatever). i mean, if it does, so be it.
mircea_popescu: it probably does because current dns software was written by goatfuckers.
mircea_popescu: and we're not playing the "bug for bug compatible" game.
Framedragger: there is a nuance: if lotsa customization is needed, perhaps time/energy is better spent on gossipd. a logistical question i guess.
mircea_popescu: also, the customization is the job of the client not of the server. "you wanna use this - here's the standard" suffices.
Framedragger: to an extent, i would say, no? in gossipd, user would have their own "hosts" file, mapping mircea_popescu to $fingerprint or w/e
mircea_popescu: i suppose, but that part wouldn't be the first to relate. the part that'd first to relate is that you gotta talk to these servers to admin your strings. and well... talk over... what.
mircea_popescu: moreover, how do you handle splits ? maybe "trilema.com" should be owned by mp in mp's shadow and by whoever in some other space.
mircea_popescu: there is EXACTLY ONE solution to "zooko's triangle" - and it is called gossipd. it works by crushing the socialist mind and its foul expectation of "any person is any person". not fucking so.
Framedragger: so yeah, running a republican dns root would still imply "collaborating" with current internet infrastructure. reform, not revolution. something like, in those tmsr ISP discussion, someone e.g suggesting to acquire an autonomous system number for tmsr. "is it even worth it."
mircea_popescu: and of course we managed this situation where half the conversation is here hjalf on trilema to maximally confuse the future interested party. ALL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE THE PATIENCE TO GET ANSWER THERE!111
Framedragger: the whole "patch a DNS server and run alternative root" effort sounds interesting and useful, but, as you said, eventually the underlying layer would need to swapped for gossipd anyway. in gossipd, UDP/TCP as currently used by DNS may not even work. hence there may be a redundancy of effort;
mircea_popescu: "but that part wouldn't be the first to relate. the part that'd first to relate is that you gotta talk to these servers to admin your strings"
Framedragger: and maybe it's worth to focus on gossipd first. but i see what you're saying regarding these two things being parallel. i guess.
mircea_popescu: at first, gossipd replaces the current "talk to servers to admin your strings" which happens, essentially, over substitute-email and
http-sessions. Framedragger: mircea_popescu: my excuse is, i don't feel like i have enough original content to keep spamming your comments box. what can i say. such self esteem
mircea_popescu: it's a typical disaster of commons of the republican era - the needs and interests of people not here yet figure a lot less in the eyes of the present man than his immediate pulsion of lowest order. and in 10 years the choices so made become written in stone and the poor schmucks pay for them. it's sad but unsolvable.
Framedragger: and, i suppose, republican dns server could work in a way that already facilitates session-less communication - pgprams issuing orders to change zone files, etc.
mircea_popescu: the OTHER disaster of commons of the republican era is discussed on trilema re "you can't decide what's worth doing", if you recall that footnote.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yes, but communicatin by sending pgpgrams is already a simplified gossipd is the point.
Framedragger: yes indeed; and now i see that maybe there wouldn't be too much of a redundancy there - that is, when gossipd arrives, dns server could still accept pgprams, they'd simply come via gossipd - and the latter may even sit behind an abstracted network interface, etc.
mircea_popescu: we've been amply using this "alternate leg" climbing method to build towers.
mircea_popescu: yeah, what can i tell you, as ingenious as walk. 10s of ks of years old.
Framedragger: i wonder if a simpler key-value store wouldn't work as a replacement for dns server. "flatten" the whole thing, so that, as you say, dns server wouldn't distinguish between types of substrings. the latter would be up to the client, if it willed to do so.
Framedragger: up until this point i thought that the idea would be to use an existing dns server, for sake of ease
a111: Logged on 2016-11-14 12:27 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1566990 << there is no such thing as "tld". there's just strings. if you query r-dns for "fucksgoats" you get ip for "fucksgoats". if you query for "hurrdurr.fuckgoats" you get ip for "hurrdurr.fucksgoats". if you query for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" you get ip for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6".
Framedragger: the administration / record-updating would be a separate layer in any case.
mircea_popescu: shows you the power of bias / mental fixation i guess ?
Framedragger: ah, "r-dns" is republican dns. not reverse dns or sth like that. more clear
mircea_popescu: and holy shit no you don't want to reuse dns server code oh my fucking god.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: thanks for bearing with me. yes, fixation.
Framedragger: well, BIND is.. not vulernability-impaired. lots of fleas. and code quality - can only imagine
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you'd still want r-dns to be able to serve existing dns clients though, right? i mean, things like `nslookup`, dns resolution libraries, etc - the current dns protocol? or no?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-12 15:50 mircea_popescu: set up your client to pick two-of-three, give it 1 republic and 2 reich servers. it'll give you republic for all the things reich doesn't know and reich for stuff like apple.com
davout: BingoBoingo: s/La Pen/Le Pen/ also s/French prime minister/French president/
mircea_popescu: davout pretty sure he's doing "la pen" because woman see.
Framedragger: oh god. dns is defined using a shitload of RFCs. but easiest way to learn of low-level transport nuances is, well, wireshark. so, wiresharking and eating cake. at the very least this will end up as (possibly) useful website comment for future adventurers.
Framedragger: what is nice is that the dns transport itself is quite elegant - questions/answers - one packet for query, another for answer. so transport is (in principle) compatible with session-less gossipd model, i think.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm curious, do you currently manually add entries to your hosts file? wireshark shows so much gunk flying around. like, i've got ad blockers and everything, but still lotsa facebook dns requests all around, etc.
Framedragger: quite delicious! mississippi mud pie. oreo base, brownie-esk filling. amateur-made (office tradition), but very much acceptabru.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yes, i add names manually. i see jackshit flying around lol.
mircea_popescu: and i also keep it a few dozen lines, so there is that.
Framedragger: lean and clean. i may just try that. i understand the need more and more.
Framedragger: how did that kharms story go, about the guy dreaming he was a bush..
mircea_popescu: and in random news nobody cares about, the "republic of moldavia", romania's to "northern ireland" elected russian puppet guy president (igor dodon). putin's ridin' high.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: kewl. wonder what they will say. and what they used to generate the key..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you mean it had 0 to do with 8ball ? it went because known factors not because paired with something neh ?
mircea_popescu: so if this is some "expert" hardware that does this stupid shit, we'll be seeing it again.
mircea_popescu: i think ima actually write a short qntra re this, thinking about it.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it'd actually be better form to not publicize it so soon huh.
mircea_popescu: tu berlin is the technische universitat berlin, their version of a politechnic. sec.t-labs.tu-berlin is the "institut fur softwaretechnick und theoretische informatik" (ie the cs faculty of said college)'s it security lab.
mircea_popescu: they're meeting with the head of teh bnd etc on some sort of regular basis.
Framedragger: (yes, afaik decent place. tu-munich >> tu-berlin probably, tho)
mircea_popescu: all girls are gone to town, therefore /me cracks 10kg watermelon out of fridge, proceeds to EAT ALL OF IT!
Framedragger: when i was hitch hiking in albania a few years back, i ate lotsa watermelons. because 1) they were awesome there, and 2) it was middle of summer, hot, so lower food intake overall
mircea_popescu: yeah that entire strip, from dalmatian coast to black sea, epic watermelons. ~where danube flows
mircea_popescu: sorta europe's own mississippi valley. no wonder nobody thinks much of the inhabitants.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you said you generally like dns transport, but just fyi it afaik limits udp packets to 512 bytes (which iirc you hate). but i guess the term is something more like "tolerate", not "like"...
Framedragger: kur tik būdavau nuoširdus galėjau ant jos išsilieti
Framedragger: prakirsta galva ir nuo pilvo garuojantis sniegas
Framedragger: (ir pelenai buteliuose ir kraujo žiedas kol rūkau išplinta)
Framedragger: (truncated. assumes 8 bits per char. not the favourite / not sure, but i like it.)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: point taken - this should ideally eventually change, etc...
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lol, did a double-take on the dood in the back
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: happy to hand mine over, but vvande has deeper logs and will share them with you for the asking
ben_vulpes: anyways, opennic project is ~dead, with remaining maggots deeply allergic to republican notions.
ben_vulpes: i suspect that i knocked their local usg rep into 'tilt mode' last night
Framedragger: thanks much ben_vulpes. guess i'm good for now
ben_vulpes: "gossipd? what dat. have you ever heard of i2p? what's an ethernet frame? shortwave?"
Framedragger: well you cant fault them for not having heard of gossipd. (cue everyone: YES YOU CAN). re. i2p, well its an interesting project. but - doomed.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes unsurprisingly. pretty much all of extant "foss" is cat-v.org redone.
ben_vulpes: freenic doesn't appear to be in any better shape.
mircea_popescu: (note that they quite exactly identify the exact reason gossipd makes empire impossible : "In the case of a public communications system this condition of a common symbol set with a common semantic interpretation must be further strengthened to that of a unique symbol set with a unique semantic interpretation. This condition of uniqueness allows any party to initiate a communication that can be received and understood by any
mircea_popescu: other party. Such a condition rules out the ability to define a symbol within some bounded context. In such a case, once the communication moves out of the context of interpretation in which it was defined, the meaning of the symbol becomes lost."
mircea_popescu: they built usg in not for any reason than because they WERE usg. postel's "oh noes - otherwise CHAOS" is exactly symptomatic. just like the arab mind can't quite comprehend how one who doesn't give a shit about allah may manage to drink from a cup, just so usgtards can't comprehend how one who isn't a socialist can at all live.
mircea_popescu: "but without our stupid bigotry there'd be CHAOS!!11". yeah, i'm sure there would be. for you.
mircea_popescu: "this is a technical requirement, not a policy choice" - fancy that wonder. what else is "not a policy choice" ?
mircea_popescu: and of course, the capper : "This memo does not introduce any new security issues, but it does attempt to identify some of the problems inherent in a family of recurring technically naive proposals."
mircea_popescu: because what the fuck else would crown the retard more than the pretense that he's some sort of misunderstood genius, and his betters "naive" ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> davout pretty sure he's doing "la pen" because woman see. << Aha. Also because what say do people in France have over everything turning their language over to a socialist "Academy" and shit.
BingoBoingo: Maybe when it happens La Pen will be chief of the DMV?
BingoBoingo: The defining national characteristic of France is "taking it"
BingoBoingo: Ah, the "peace in our time was at bottom of screen. Forgot to scroll, fxing
mircea_popescu: gpg: Good signature from "Seclab Signing Key 2016 <seclab@airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>"
mircea_popescu: if anyone cares to put it in ... what was the shithole, reddit ? hacker news ?
mircea_popescu: much like the whole "social justice" crapolade : "news for geeks, stuff that matters", "web's most important blabla", "slashdotted" and whatnot - then when push comes to shove, it ain't worth enough to buy a middle class home.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you have any conception of the total man-hours soaked into slashdot ?
mircea_popescu: just the fixing of their dumbass mysql error back in 2006 for one
mircea_popescu: they had table index too short int, crashed when post count overwhelmed it
mircea_popescu: it's very stupid to link a large block like that. why are you trying to degoogle yourself ?
mircea_popescu: gpg: Good signature from "Seclab Signing Key 2016 <seclab@airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>"
mircea_popescu: links dun matter for this purpose, so. best of both worlds.
BingoBoingo: From the Wall Street Pisshole "After meeting with Mr. Trump, the only person to be elected president without having held a government or military position, Mr. Obama realized the Republican needs more guidance. He plans to spend more time with his successor than presidents typically do, people familiar with the matter said."
mircea_popescu: o check that out, nobody wants the mulatto in chief. if he doesn't get to hang on to the wh he has literally nowhere to go.
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea where these shitheads think they're shoping for condescension, or why the fuck the 2nd hand peddler failed to inform them that i got exponentially more than available on the market at my ready disposal.
mircea_popescu: anyway, apparently today in "nice story, bro" we have a "students are required as part of curricula to run 10^10 "eulers". because totally, nobody can do any math anywhere.
mircea_popescu: he also said "euclids", i thought we were just doing keyboard mashing.
mircea_popescu: i suppose if nothing else - zee germanz have now verified that indeed, the phuctor is actually connected and works as described.
mircea_popescu: actually i suppose hijacking phuctor is a reasonably valuable thing now, get people to shit pants that their key's haxxed.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the socialist retards (preaching over at huff po) : "My point is that this is a cycle. It happens again and again, but as most people only have a 50-100 year historical perspective they don’t see that it’s happening again. As the events that led to the First World War unfolded, there were a few brilliant minds who started to warn that something big was wrong, that the web of treaties across Europe could lea
mircea_popescu: d to a war, but they were dismissed as hysterical, mad, or fools, as is always the way, and as people who worry about Putin, Brexit and Trump are dismissed now. A little thing leads to an unstoppable destruction that could have been prevented if you’d listened and thought a bit."
mircea_popescu: yes, motherfucker. this is exactly it : your continued existence is offensive. either you desist, forget this "social justice" nonsense ever existed, and EVERYTHING to do with it - or else YOU will have started a war, with YOUR idiocy.
mircea_popescu: so yes - is your own tail and the avoidance of your own fucking holocaust worth stopping and thinking a bit ?
mircea_popescu: maybe it's time to apologize for making up bullshit and calling it "global warming" ? maybe its time to cut off your balls and cut off your keyboard fingers ? maybe ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all the better then. honestly i prefer bloodshed to contrite tears.
mircea_popescu: quite so, apparently the humanist's notion that he speaks for humanity is the sweetest delusion of all.
mircea_popescu: this is sloppy thinker - soros was a poor nobody, there's no bloodline there ; and the lulz of the mystical-rotschilds is periodically debunked every time you bring it up.
mircea_popescu: this is retrospective naming, the historical equivalent of wtf they call that graph worshippinbg bs
deedbot: vvande voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: vvande's this "sleepy anti statist" i roused out of #opennic and #freenic
vvande: I've always been anti statist.
vvande: everybody is where I come from
vvande: I live in BC Canada - just in from the coast now
vvande: statism and autoritianism are not close to the heart of people who have experienced Hitler's regime
vvande: I was just a kid but my parents were involved.
ben_vulpes: plenty of time to chat after you get your key into deedbot
vvande: mircea_popescu: I'll do that later, but need to get breakfast and stuff.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes actually denmark is where the hot german chicks come from.
vvande: It's a pretty democratic place, but it being stirred up a bit in recent years.
vvande: Not so democratic here in Canada. We're pretty far right, in fact.
vvande: Anyway, I'll go look at that key thing. Seems easy enough to generate, but I should have a think about it.
ben_vulpes: no expiration date, don't forget the passphrase
vvande: ok, figured that so far
vvande: I havent used keys before. Should I make it "sign and encrypt"?
vvande: OK. I just want to make sure I don't cause trouble later.
vvande: Can i have different keys?
vvande: like just do one for here, for now?
vvande: gpg is already installed - running FreeBSD
vvande: well, I won't be using it a lot until I get more into it
vvande: So, OK. I'm off to do that. And ...
vvande: my sweetheart just came back, so need to make coffee for her