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mircea_popescu: and to continue the scary trend, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b201c0d716d20ee39a7d21b766b659db/tumblr_mwacrpLfW51sfcru6o1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: Pls to be moar annoying. Midterm elections are coming up soon https://archive.is/pXaw2
mircea_popescu: and in other sepia, http://68.media.tumblr.com/2db325d590d5f3dcd14921fb7ebaa268/tumblr_mvk6uzMDpa1rz8btmo1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
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BingoBoingo: In other late http://oglaf.com/expositionfairy/
BingoBoingo: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Hillary_Clinton
BingoBoingo: linked for https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Trumpdickinghillaryborder.gif
mircea_popescu: in other amateur pronz, https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/8/88/Hillary_did_911.jpg/800px-Hillary_did_911.jpg
BingoBoingo: I remember that day.
mircea_popescu: funny thing when an ed article is actually better on any reasonable scoring than anything the jewry spewed out on the topic.
BingoBoingo: Oh they even did an infographic on cancer https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/b/b7/Johnoliver.png
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: this ted danson is just about ready to go the way of the other, practically out of the 18 month best-by date. or am i confusing the very famous with that britney durham chick whatever her name was ? the white trash "singer" / newswoman whatever ?
mircea_popescu: https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/3/3a/ClintonDraft005.png << fucking schmuck should need a permit to wear three piece suits wtf is this nonsense.
BingoBoingo: lol, Much has changed in the decade since MP's visit to the swamp
mircea_popescu: https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/7/70/Theneweuropeans.jpg << meh, the other racists had much better posters. why the everloving is her cunt covered ?!
BingoBoingo: Maybe because illustrator hasn't seen one? This is the internet.
mircea_popescu: myeah, the ombilical cord is also very unconvincing. pity, the anatomically correct representation of viscera drives a lot of visceral appeal.
mircea_popescu: losers dun know what they're losing out on.
BingoBoingo: 4real
mircea_popescu: https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/b/bd/Do1.jpg << bwhahahaha
mircea_popescu: "western dollars not worth the hassle ; get lost"
BingoBoingo: https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/0/09/Racist-bane.jpg
BingoBoingo: In textual lols https://encyclopediadramatica.se/The_Donald#Rick_Wilson
hanbot: hey jurov where do the treasurer's reports go? not on explo.yt/deedbot?
hanbot: oh mailing list eh. why not deed em?
mircea_popescu: !!deed http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20161101/attachment.txt?sha1=9791c267cc8e30958838c77653f6342a09244fb5
deedbot: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: painless enuff
mircea_popescu: !!deed http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20161031/attachment.txt?sha1=1d162614ad096063e9abb5746b6deab291037beb
deedbot: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: this is actually pretty cool.
hanbot: !!deed http://thewhet.net/han/tmsrtax1116.txt
deedbot: accepted: 1
mod6: thx mircea_popescu & hanbot
mircea_popescu: mah pleasure.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/21B9669858203080326DB86F3AB1B88D51F892D38F17EA587F71640F604BA7AD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.65.247 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.65.247 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4E7AC0EEF980D94B18797FD2B95C091C4EAC05B15C9FCB329825F05B81B8D903 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.65.245 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.65.245 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E062C71137C09AE3CF48BE7F8A090EAA657B5715F7E6D6F4784AA45380ACD257 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.247.151.103 (ssh-rsa key from 183.247.151.103 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragge
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90FB0A6FDBCC29562706DB570C44344EDFF37AF529CEF92560914D7CE26B8192 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.73.151 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.73.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C961D62D59B78442DB2FA4C4ABC4CE874FE0E95418BBDA01785049DB58B02591 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.73.12 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.73.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F
mircea_popescu: lalala
mod6: the phuctor phisting continues.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566922 << 0 to do with 8ball ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-13 23:35 mircea_popescu: but yes, congratulations are definitely in order for alf's foresight in implementing phuctor as he did. w/o the 8ball that module'd have never fallen.
asciilifeform: 31005686945950767346869798203302530896148655064259347472347220442209769254413352177384260278331050342456445126481343091027696015873408329180286505324090208791356401685488632594573639626011967028852284987701096711563071936459451551456586408347519841053310079208801257166857909170039731960765892368543865804443052865290666243414773205630247890049846389567873586221735235757006305508905620469362479398256074942799303909984882283079716566423
asciilifeform: 141876709031507883553455452314931202170711277559709938918157034624428381091843733176552634481080290679291021661954570523305447050841482495845936945694373844932850748050349261100319 is prime.
asciilifeform: it's a genuinely diddled key gen, and a MODERN one
asciilifeform: (the modulus belongs to something labeled as 'Seclab Signing Key 2016 <seclab@airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>')
asciilifeform: whole thing submitted ~yesterday~
asciilifeform: (it is not, afaik, in sks)
asciilifeform: http://www.isti.tu-berlin.de/security_in_telecommunications/menue/overview << them, apparently.
asciilifeform: quite possibly this is the largest 'in-use' rsa key ever publicly broken.
asciilifeform: ... or not
asciilifeform: i eyeballed quite wrongly, this is a 4096b key.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, shinohai , anybody with not so much to do but energy/time, why not reach out to these poor heathens and ask'em what the hell they thing they are doing on this 'airgapped' box.
asciilifeform: and, importantly, ~with what~ this gem was produced.
asciilifeform bbl
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/11/14/duterte-anecdotally/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Duterte anecdotally.
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-438805.txt
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566874 << re. republican dns root (i think this term is not ambiguous), as far as i can see, if bob owned .whatever TLD and john owned john.whatever SLD, then queries for john.whatever would still "pass" through bob's .whatever zone file. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-13 19:45 mircea_popescu: any string is any string.
Framedragger: hence in effect, bob would control john's domain. hierarchy is baked into dns root.
Framedragger: this is fine as long as it's made clear in regards to ownership etc.; but it does put some additional responsibility / ontological charge(?) onto folks who'd own a TLD
Framedragger: unless.. not necessarily?
Framedragger: (btw amusingly, non-reich DNS roots are called "alt roots". tmsr could call it "*the* dns root", or "the republican dns root". or something.)
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-438825.txt
Framedragger: (and for anyone curious, there are a few "alt roots" out there, see alternative root servers section in http://thedjbway.b0llix.net/djbdns/dnsroots.html e.g.
Framedragger: )
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/D3NPR
Framedragger: "His "reactor" ended when the EPA declared his backyard as a Superfund cleanup site due to hazardous levels of radiation." oh yeah i remember reading about that! hm. so, radiation kills, then. RIP boy scout.
Framedragger: ben_vulpes battling it out in #opennic, i see!
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: do you have logs for #opennic somewhere handy by chance?
Framedragger: (a piece of history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlterNIC)
mircea_popescu: !!up vvande
deedbot: vvande voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1566990 << there is no such thing as "tld". there's just strings. if you query r-dns for "fucksgoats" you get ip for "fucksgoats". if you query for "hurrdurr.fuckgoats" you get ip for "hurrdurr.fucksgoats". if you query for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" you get ip for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6". ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-14 09:34 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566874 << re. republican dns root (i think this term is not ambiguous), as far as i can see, if bob owned .whatever TLD and john owned john.whatever SLD, then queries for john.whatever would still "pass" through bob's .whatever zone file.
mircea_popescu: it is up to your client to decide if the domain "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" should be queried as "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" or "OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" or ".." or "nasa.org" or whatnot. dns just answers queries, and nothing else.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: this implies that there's basically a single dns server, though. it does not delegate to other dns servers, like what we have now
mircea_popescu: it doesn't "delegate", it caches. you know, like in sanity land, as opposed to some bs hacked together by people who didn't go to school for cs 30 yearsd ago.
Framedragger: (i mean, there could be caching servers, but they'd have to have the same up to date map of all strings to IPs.)
Framedragger: caching != delegation in dns, afaik.
mircea_popescu: they would have to be "the same" and "up to date" in the sense of dns "give it a day".
mircea_popescu: hurr.
mircea_popescu: of course not, but this because dns is broken.
Framedragger: delegate = "i don't know about this, but this guy does. ask him"
mircea_popescu: also note that nothing in the discussed scheme prevents you from doing delegation. yiu can just decide to split on the basis of the last character ; or the last two.
mircea_popescu: it just correctly orthogonalizes the matter of delegation, which is dns internal cooking, and not the client's business.
mircea_popescu: there's no reason ~you~ should know aforehand what the dns servers will tell you to ask if you look for "string containing substring x" ; and the fact that you DO know who to ask for ".com" is just another sign of the above "some bs hacked together by people who didn't go to school for cs 30 yearsd ago"
Framedragger: hmm. i'm still not sure if your scheme does not require additional customization of dns server software (bind/unbound/whatever). i mean, if it does, so be it.
mircea_popescu: it probably does because current dns software was written by goatfuckers.
mircea_popescu: and we're not playing the "bug for bug compatible" game.
Framedragger: there is a nuance: if lotsa customization is needed, perhaps time/energy is better spent on gossipd. a logistical question i guess.
mircea_popescu: this thing and gossipd are parallel anyway.
mircea_popescu: also, the customization is the job of the client not of the server. "you wanna use this - here's the standard" suffices.
Framedragger: to an extent, i would say, no? in gossipd, user would have their own "hosts" file, mapping mircea_popescu to $fingerprint or w/e
mircea_popescu: i suppose, but that part wouldn't be the first to relate. the part that'd first to relate is that you gotta talk to these servers to admin your strings. and well... talk over... what.
mircea_popescu: moreover, how do you handle splits ? maybe "trilema.com" should be owned by mp in mp's shadow and by whoever in some other space.
mircea_popescu: there is EXACTLY ONE solution to "zooko's triangle" - and it is called gossipd. it works by crushing the socialist mind and its foul expectation of "any person is any person". not fucking so.
mircea_popescu: people aren't strings.
Framedragger: so yeah, running a republican dns root would still imply "collaborating" with current internet infrastructure. reform, not revolution. something like, in those tmsr ISP discussion, someone e.g suggesting to acquire an autonomous system number for tmsr. "is it even worth it."
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry ?
Framedragger: low on sugar, broken english
mircea_popescu: try again.
mircea_popescu: and of course we managed this situation where half the conversation is here hjalf on trilema to maximally confuse the future interested party. ALL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE THE PATIENCE TO GET ANSWER THERE!111
Framedragger: the whole "patch a DNS server and run alternative root" effort sounds interesting and useful, but, as you said, eventually the underlying layer would need to swapped for gossipd anyway. in gossipd, UDP/TCP as currently used by DNS may not even work. hence there may be a redundancy of effort;
mircea_popescu: "but that part wouldn't be the first to relate. the part that'd first to relate is that you gotta talk to these servers to admin your strings"
Framedragger: and maybe it's worth to focus on gossipd first. but i see what you're saying regarding these two things being parallel. i guess.
mircea_popescu: at first, gossipd replaces the current "talk to servers to admin your strings" which happens, essentially, over substitute-email and http-sessions.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: my excuse is, i don't feel like i have enough original content to keep spamming your comments box. what can i say. such self esteem
Framedragger: right.
mircea_popescu: it's a typical disaster of commons of the republican era - the needs and interests of people not here yet figure a lot less in the eyes of the present man than his immediate pulsion of lowest order. and in 10 years the choices so made become written in stone and the poor schmucks pay for them. it's sad but unsolvable.
Framedragger: and, i suppose, republican dns server could work in a way that already facilitates session-less communication - pgprams issuing orders to change zone files, etc.
mircea_popescu: the OTHER disaster of commons of the republican era is discussed on trilema re "you can't decide what's worth doing", if you recall that footnote.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yes, but communicatin by sending pgpgrams is already a simplified gossipd is the point.
mircea_popescu: hand-cranked, arbitrary, etc. but still it is it.
Framedragger: yes indeed; and now i see that maybe there wouldn't be too much of a redundancy there - that is, when gossipd arrives, dns server could still accept pgprams, they'd simply come via gossipd - and the latter may even sit behind an abstracted network interface, etc.
mircea_popescu: quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: we've been amply using this "alternate leg" climbing method to build towers.
Framedragger: okay, i'm less confused now
Framedragger: rather ingenious if i may say so!
mircea_popescu: yeah, what can i tell you, as ingenious as walk. 10s of ks of years old.
Framedragger: i wonder if a simpler key-value store wouldn't work as a replacement for dns server. "flatten" the whole thing, so that, as you say, dns server wouldn't distinguish between types of substrings. the latter would be up to the client, if it willed to do so.
mircea_popescu: and here i thought i said just that
Framedragger: caching could be easily done, too
Framedragger: argh.
Framedragger: up until this point i thought that the idea would be to use an existing dns server, for sake of ease
mircea_popescu: what did you take http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1567006 to mean ? (it being the 3rd or so pass at this) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-14 12:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1566990 << there is no such thing as "tld". there's just strings. if you query r-dns for "fucksgoats" you get ip for "fucksgoats". if you query for "hurrdurr.fuckgoats" you get ip for "hurrdurr.fucksgoats". if you query for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" you get ip for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6".
Framedragger: the administration / record-updating would be a separate layer in any case.
mircea_popescu: shows you the power of bias / mental fixation i guess ?
Framedragger: ah, "r-dns" is republican dns. not reverse dns or sth like that. more clear
mircea_popescu: and holy shit no you don't want to reuse dns server code oh my fucking god.
mircea_popescu: have you SEEN that shit ?!
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: thanks for bearing with me. yes, fixation.
Framedragger: well, BIND is.. not vulernability-impaired. lots of fleas. and code quality - can only imagine
Framedragger: openssl vibes.
Framedragger: right.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you'd still want r-dns to be able to serve existing dns clients though, right? i mean, things like `nslookup`, dns resolution libraries, etc - the current dns protocol? or no?
mircea_popescu: ideally.
mircea_popescu: but if a patch is required then that's fine too.
mircea_popescu: (likely the patch will come in the shape of a dnsmasq clone, which will handle stuff like "tld" as well as things like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-12#1566482 via settings etc) ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-12 15:50 mircea_popescu: set up your client to pick two-of-three, give it 1 republic and 2 reich servers. it'll give you republic for all the things reich doesn't know and reich for stuff like apple.com
mircea_popescu: and in other pumpkin attacks, http://68.media.tumblr.com/8fe43e441d88ba6dd5667f1d2304721e/tumblr_mv2nmcRc1x1s0fmloo1_1280.jpg
davout: BingoBoingo: s/La Pen/Le Pen/ also s/French prime minister/French president/
mircea_popescu: davout pretty sure he's doing "la pen" because woman see.
davout: aha
mircea_popescu: it's very clever!
mircea_popescu: and in other red cup news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/5095bd456aec749aaffc506710e27e8b/tumblr_mvhxcaByeh1stjm8io1_1280.jpg
Framedragger: oh god. dns is defined using a shitload of RFCs. but easiest way to learn of low-level transport nuances is, well, wireshark. so, wiresharking and eating cake. at the very least this will end up as (possibly) useful website comment for future adventurers.
Framedragger: what is nice is that the dns transport itself is quite elegant - questions/answers - one packet for query, another for answer. so transport is (in principle) compatible with session-less gossipd model, i think.
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: is it delicious cake or just ordinary cake ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm curious, do you currently manually add entries to your hosts file? wireshark shows so much gunk flying around. like, i've got ad blockers and everything, but still lotsa facebook dns requests all around, etc.
Framedragger: quite delicious! mississippi mud pie. oreo base, brownie-esk filling. amateur-made (office tradition), but very much acceptabru.
mircea_popescu: good for you!
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yes, i add names manually. i see jackshit flying around lol.
mircea_popescu: and i also keep it a few dozen lines, so there is that.
Framedragger: lean and clean. i may just try that. i understand the need more and more.
mircea_popescu: the more you look at it, the brick you more shit.
Framedragger: how did that kharms story go, about the guy dreaming he was a bush..
mircea_popescu: and he woke up and he was a bama ?
Framedragger: hah! quite
Framedragger: (for logs, http://chneukirchen.org/tmp/www.geocities.com/Athens/8926/Kharms/Incidences.html#12 )
mircea_popescu: bathroom attendants workin' on tips & tips alone : http://68.media.tumblr.com/31210ede9466aaadcb6d4c2b7aa95877/tumblr_mvhx5my5Os1stjm8io1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: and in random news nobody cares about, the "republic of moldavia", romania's to "northern ireland" elected russian puppet guy president (igor dodon). putin's ridin' high.
asciilifeform wrote to http://www.isti.tu-berlin.de/security_in_telecommunications/menue/people/head re yesterday's find
Framedragger: asciilifeform: kewl. wonder what they will say. and what they used to generate the key..
mircea_popescu: i'm betting it'll be something stupid.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you mean it had 0 to do with 8ball ? it went because known factors not because paired with something neh ?
mircea_popescu: when mod pops when submitted, it's always the 8ball
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. 8ball is a 'primorial', it's this process that's been going 2*3*5*7*........... for months
asciilifeform: this number gets thrown into the hopper every time phuctor fires
mircea_popescu: right...
asciilifeform: it nails moduli with 'small' factors.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't also contain all other factors found ?
asciilifeform: nope, that's not how bernstein's algo worx
mircea_popescu: well it's what i meant.
asciilifeform: it does not rely on writing down the formerly found factors
asciilifeform: but operates on all moduli at once, every time it fires.
mircea_popescu: s/8ball/bernstein/
asciilifeform: this recent find is an excellent illustration, it shared the factor solely with own subkeys
asciilifeform: specifically, the one marked '2015' and '2016'.
mircea_popescu: o brother.
asciilifeform: Seclab Signing Key 2015 <seclab@airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>; Seclab Signing Key 2016 <seclab@airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>;
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: the resulting factor - is prime.
mircea_popescu: ic.
asciilifeform: (does not appear to be of any special form, in so far as i can presently tell, but is in fact prime by every test i've tried)
mircea_popescu: so if this is some "expert" hardware that does this stupid shit, we'll be seeing it again.
asciilifeform: so it had in fact come out of something resembling a battlefield pgptron.
asciilifeform: no flipped bits or similar.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: i think ima actually write a short qntra re this, thinking about it.
asciilifeform: i will add that the thing does not appear to reside on sks, though other items advertised as 'seclab' -- are
asciilifeform: it was submitted manually the day prior to yesterday.
asciilifeform: by somebody or other.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/bel-ami/ << Trilema - Bel Ami
asciilifeform: 2016-11-13 13:50:45.642313 phuctor time.
asciilifeform: no reply from the good doktor thus far, but it is evening in berlin
asciilifeform: https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de << others -- yes on sks.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it'd actually be better form to not publicize it so soon huh.
mircea_popescu: though whoever put it in - knows.
asciilifeform: story might 'develop'
asciilifeform: given as the key does not appear to have publicly signed anything, at least in so far as i can see with naked eye, there is no physical way to distinguish this find from an elaborate troll
asciilifeform: i'd be curious to learn whatthefuck exactly is 'seclab', the site suggests some eldritch horror from the bowels of eu academia
asciilifeform: hm, seclab/berlin inst. of tech, quite well represented at defcon, blackhat, etc
mircea_popescu: tu berlin is the technische universitat berlin, their version of a politechnic. sec.t-labs.tu-berlin is the "institut fur softwaretechnick und theoretische informatik" (ie the cs faculty of said college)'s it security lab.
mircea_popescu: they're meeting with the head of teh bnd etc on some sort of regular basis.
asciilifeform: and they have some decent quality material published re probing mobile nets, fuzzing, etc.
asciilifeform: http://www.proofs-workshop.org/2013/slides/proofs2013_seifert_slides.pdf << lel, 'trojan-resilient ICs'
asciilifeform: other talks include 'smartphone honeypots'
Framedragger: (yes, afaik decent place. tu-munich >> tu-berlin probably, tho)
Framedragger: well, maybe merely '>'
mircea_popescu: "trust me, you can dance". signed - vodka.
mircea_popescu: all girls are gone to town, therefore /me cracks 10kg watermelon out of fridge, proceeds to EAT ALL OF IT!
mircea_popescu: mwahahahaha.
Framedragger: organic sugar water ftw
Framedragger: when i was hitch hiking in albania a few years back, i ate lotsa watermelons. because 1) they were awesome there, and 2) it was middle of summer, hot, so lower food intake overall
Framedragger: it was great.
mircea_popescu: yeah that entire strip, from dalmatian coast to black sea, epic watermelons. ~where danube flows
Framedragger: word
mircea_popescu: sorta europe's own mississippi valley. no wonder nobody thinks much of the inhabitants.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you said you generally like dns transport, but just fyi it afaik limits udp packets to 512 bytes (which iirc you hate). but i guess the term is something more like "tolerate", not "like"...
mircea_popescu: tell me 512 bytes of your favourite poem.
Framedragger: aš matau rūką. tai reiškia nematau daiktų
Framedragger: namas perskeltais langais
Framedragger: šuo bėga iš židinio
Framedragger: liežia pelenus nuo plaštakos
Framedragger: Marinos vaiduoklis braukia krūtį per stiklą
Framedragger: tai primena drėgmę delne, burnoje
Framedragger: kur tik būdavau nuoširdus galėjau ant jos išsilieti
Framedragger: kai kalbėdavom apie rožes tai buvo
Framedragger: prakirsta galva ir nuo pilvo garuojantis sniegas
Framedragger: (ir pelenai buteliuose ir kraujo žiedas kol rūkau išplinta)
Framedragger: kol tylėdavom šuo man kąsdavo gerklę
Framedragger: nebegalėjau grįžti į sakinį, baigti akto –
Framedragger: (truncated. assumes 8 bits per char. not the favourite / not sure, but i like it.)
Framedragger: such eclectic irc channel eh.
mircea_popescu: should be enough FOR ANYONES NAME
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2009/bonza/#selection-41.122-41.212 << related.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: point taken - this should ideally eventually change, etc...
mircea_popescu: can't do all things at the same time.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the party ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0ebcb8404af38c91e5101398749ceaf3/tumblr_msctyza3xF1r81lgko1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: only since i showed up
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lol, did a double-take on the dood in the back
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: happy to hand mine over, but vvande has deeper logs and will share them with you for the asking
ben_vulpes: anyways, opennic project is ~dead, with remaining maggots deeply allergic to republican notions.
ben_vulpes: i suspect that i knocked their local usg rep into 'tilt mode' last night
Framedragger: thanks much ben_vulpes. guess i'm good for now
Framedragger: heh. :)
ben_vulpes: "gossipd? what dat. have you ever heard of i2p? what's an ethernet frame? shortwave?"
Framedragger: well you cant fault them for not having heard of gossipd. (cue everyone: YES YOU CAN). re. i2p, well its an interesting project. but - doomed.
Framedragger: bbl
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes unsurprisingly. pretty much all of extant "foss" is cat-v.org redone.
ben_vulpes: freenic doesn't appear to be in any better shape.
mircea_popescu: https://kashpureff.org/ekashp/ << if anyone still remembers this guy.
mircea_popescu: and, of course, 2000s vintage imperial lulz https://archive.is/g9O6H ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (note that they quite exactly identify the exact reason gossipd makes empire impossible : "In the case of a public communications system this condition of a common symbol set with a common semantic interpretation must be further strengthened to that of a unique symbol set with a unique semantic interpretation. This condition of uniqueness allows any party to initiate a communication that can be received and understood by any
mircea_popescu: other party. Such a condition rules out the ability to define a symbol within some bounded context. In such a case, once the communication moves out of the context of interpretation in which it was defined, the meaning of the symbol becomes lost."
mircea_popescu: they built usg in not for any reason than because they WERE usg. postel's "oh noes - otherwise CHAOS" is exactly symptomatic. just like the arab mind can't quite comprehend how one who doesn't give a shit about allah may manage to drink from a cup, just so usgtards can't comprehend how one who isn't a socialist can at all live.
mircea_popescu: "but without our stupid bigotry there'd be CHAOS!!11". yeah, i'm sure there would be. for you.
mircea_popescu: "this is a technical requirement, not a policy choice" - fancy that wonder. what else is "not a policy choice" ?
mircea_popescu: and of course, the capper : "This memo does not introduce any new security issues, but it does attempt to identify some of the problems inherent in a family of recurring technically naive proposals."
mircea_popescu: because what the fuck else would crown the retard more than the pretense that he's some sort of misunderstood genius, and his betters "naive" ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/uwr0b/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> davout pretty sure he's doing "la pen" because woman see. << Aha. Also because what say do people in France have over everything turning their language over to a socialist "Academy" and shit.
mircea_popescu: o.O
BingoBoingo: Or their government
BingoBoingo: Maybe when it happens La Pen will be chief of the DMV?
BingoBoingo: The defining national characteristic of France is "taking it"
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/11/today-in-accidental-insecurity/ << Qntra - Today In Accidental Insecurity
asciilifeform: where the fuck is the sig?!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ?
asciilifeform: that sig needs to be there.
BingoBoingo: Twas not in mircea_popescu's submission
asciilifeform: grrr
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wat
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to check your original incoming
asciilifeform: (or, wat, BingoBoingo eats texts with 0 sigs..?)
BingoBoingo: Ah, the "peace in our time was at bottom of screen. Forgot to scroll, fxing
asciilifeform: Nooooooo
asciilifeform: the pgp sig
asciilifeform: i signed mircea_popescu's article with victim's pgp privk
asciilifeform: plox to roll in whole unmodified text
asciilifeform: line feeds & all
BingoBoingo: AHA
BingoBoingo: tyvm
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you can put editorial commentz Below the sigblok
BingoBoingo: Eh prolly best to put im comments
asciilifeform: aite
asciilifeform: much better.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo of course it was lol
BingoBoingo: Ah
mircea_popescu: gpg: Good signature from "Seclab Signing Key 2016 <seclab@airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>"
shinohai: rekt
mircea_popescu: if anyone cares to put it in ... what was the shithole, reddit ? hacker news ?
asciilifeform can hardly wait for he neverheppeneding of this little trick.
asciilifeform: *the
asciilifeform: wrecker noose.
mircea_popescu: lol isn't he cute all excited like that.
asciilifeform: (if ben_vulpes or other wwwtronicist is ever bored, he oughta consider writing an aggregator called 'wrecker nyooz'..)
mircea_popescu: hardly worth it. slashdot sold for what, 3mn ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu : consider slipping in, below sigblock, a link to the key on phuctor
mircea_popescu: much like the whole "social justice" crapolade : "news for geeks, stuff that matters", "web's most important blabla", "slashdotted" and whatnot - then when push comes to shove, it ain't worth enough to buy a middle class home.
mircea_popescu: there is one.
mircea_popescu: awww BingoBoingo plox put link to http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/341F5F22B677175F46A2C6F87A2F74BADC483E18EB1E656570344DD213EE327C on "reported" (2nd word). i dunno how i left it out ;/
asciilifeform: there's a verbatim asc
asciilifeform: ah
BingoBoingo: linked at end of block
mircea_popescu: nah, that's bs. put it 2nd word.
BingoBoingo: And then can't verify sig
BingoBoingo: Maybe I'll put link before block
mircea_popescu: of course you can.
asciilifeform: or make pubkey blok a link
mircea_popescu: dawg, copy/paste doesn't copy the links.
mircea_popescu: just put it in, then try, it'll be fine.
BingoBoingo chopping on it
mircea_popescu: it's hard out there for a pimp...
ben_vulpes: i would take 3m
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you have any conception of the total man-hours soaked into slashdot ?
ben_vulpes: i imagine loads.
mircea_popescu: just the fixing of their dumbass mysql error back in 2006 for one
mircea_popescu: recall that ?
ben_vulpes: not in the slightest
ben_vulpes: i'd stopped reading at that point
mircea_popescu: they had table index too short int, crashed when post count overwhelmed it
mircea_popescu: had to be fixed offline.
BingoBoingo: pls to try verifying signed block
mircea_popescu: dude...
mircea_popescu: it's very stupid to link a large block like that. why are you trying to degoogle yourself ?
BingoBoingo: fxd
mircea_popescu: gpg: Good signature from "Seclab Signing Key 2016 <seclab@airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de>"
BingoBoingo: k
mircea_popescu: links dun matter for this purpose, so. best of both worlds.
shinohai: works for me nau
mircea_popescu: !!key SonGoku06
deedbot: No such key.
BingoBoingo: From the Wall Street Pisshole "After meeting with Mr. Trump, the only person to be elected president without having held a government or military position, Mr. Obama realized the Republican needs more guidance. He plans to spend more time with his successor than presidents typically do, people familiar with the matter said."
mircea_popescu: o check that out, nobody wants the mulatto in chief. if he doesn't get to hang on to the wh he has literally nowhere to go.
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/11/today-in-accidental-insecurity/#comment-78309 << ding.
asciilifeform: WITH HIS SUCCESSOR ?!
asciilifeform: SUCCESSOR?!
mircea_popescu: yes ?
asciilifeform: or hm
asciilifeform: apparently i read bacwards nm.
asciilifeform: re ealier, i have nfi whether herr nordholz is telling truth or nein.
asciilifeform: so the matter will rest there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i answered him.
asciilifeform: aah
asciilifeform reads
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea where these shitheads think they're shoping for condescension, or why the fuck the 2nd hand peddler failed to inform them that i got exponentially more than available on the market at my ready disposal.
mircea_popescu: anyway, apparently today in "nice story, bro" we have a "students are required as part of curricula to run 10^10 "eulers". because totally, nobody can do any math anywhere.
asciilifeform: he said (11*10)/2 neh ?
asciilifeform: i.e. 55.
mircea_popescu: he also said "euclids", i thought we were just doing keyboard mashing.
asciilifeform: euclids, i.e. gcd, presumably
mircea_popescu: sure sure.
asciilifeform: i have nfi, i did ping the d00d via email so as to rub nose in qntra thread, that's all for my end
mircea_popescu: aha. good enough.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the better universities, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mahvs1avyk1qkbo3do1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/11/today-in-accidental-insecurity/#comment-78311 << see also.
asciilifeform: 'Lol this is easily the best "unhappen" yet. So as the story goes, a secret key that exists and is regularily updated since 2006 suddenly — but deliberately! — gets a shared factor in 2016, as part of a didactic exercise which consists of doing euclids and other calisthenics. As a sub-plot thickener, it is for the first time announced that it takes 11*10/2 operations to obtain a 600+ digit prime factor in Berlin, which is somewha ☟︎
asciilifeform: t cheaper than anywhere else. We are entertaint.'
mircea_popescu: i suppose if nothing else - zee germanz have now verified that indeed, the phuctor is actually connected and works as described.
asciilifeform: as if it were a mega-mystery earlier.
mircea_popescu: in the land of the hanno bocks (ie, http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ ) it is probably as unbelievable as it gets.
asciilifeform: in ogther noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0ej6b/?raw=true , even 0day not spared on our humble box
mircea_popescu: aww but why!
asciilifeform: (sorry d00dz, it dun work, there is no php teenager in the mix)
mircea_popescu: actually i suppose hijacking phuctor is a reasonably valuable thing now, get people to shit pants that their key's haxxed.
asciilifeform: i suppose walking away with the box cost'em actual moneys last time, and budget was spent on schnapps, or the like.
asciilifeform: btw d00dz who read 'p divides N...' and dun bother to go and, well, divide it, deserve to be tricked.
asciilifeform: it takes maybe 3 seconds to verify whether a page on phuctor is fact or not.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, a pants shitting is a pants shitting.
mircea_popescu: !!key SonGoku06
deedbot: No such key.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the socialist retards (preaching over at huff po) : "My point is that this is a cycle. It happens again and again, but as most people only have a 50-100 year historical perspective they don’t see that it’s happening again. As the events that led to the First World War unfolded, there were a few brilliant minds who started to warn that something big was wrong, that the web of treaties across Europe could lea
mircea_popescu: d to a war, but they were dismissed as hysterical, mad, or fools, as is always the way, and as people who worry about Putin, Brexit and Trump are dismissed now. A little thing leads to an unstoppable destruction that could have been prevented if you’d listened and thought a bit."
mircea_popescu: yes, motherfucker. this is exactly it : your continued existence is offensive. either you desist, forget this "social justice" nonsense ever existed, and EVERYTHING to do with it - or else YOU will have started a war, with YOUR idiocy.
mircea_popescu: so yes - is your own tail and the avoidance of your own fucking holocaust worth stopping and thinking a bit ?
asciilifeform: they learned 0 from the last one.
mircea_popescu: maybe it's time to apologize for making up bullshit and calling it "global warming" ? maybe its time to cut off your balls and cut off your keyboard fingers ? maybe ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all the better then. honestly i prefer bloodshed to contrite tears.
asciilifeform: they learned 0, because 'thief is never sorry, only sorry that he was caught'
mircea_popescu: quite so, apparently the humanist's notion that he speaks for humanity is the sweetest delusion of all.
asciilifeform: one unfortunate bit is that afaik the gambit they used to stay alive last time, will work again -- a kilometre-thick ablative coating of nobodies to catch the gas
asciilifeform: while soros, rothchilds, etc. escape and make next generation of 'reality makers'
mircea_popescu: pshhh.
mircea_popescu: this is sloppy thinker - soros was a poor nobody, there's no bloodline there ; and the lulz of the mystical-rotschilds is periodically debunked every time you bring it up.
asciilifeform: lower-case r rothchilds!11111
mircea_popescu: this is retrospective naming, the historical equivalent of wtf they call that graph worshippinbg bs
asciilifeform: and rumour is that , iirc, son of soros marries into clintons
asciilifeform: anyway the physical location of hitler is a q above my paygrade.
mircea_popescu: "technical analysis"
ben_vulpes: !!up vvande
deedbot: vvande voiced for 30 minutes.
vvande: hey!
ben_vulpes: vvande's this "sleepy anti statist" i roused out of #opennic and #freenic
vvande: I've always been anti statist.
vvande: everybody is where I come from
ben_vulpes: vvande: where is that?
vvande: my family
vvande: lol
ben_vulpes: "texas" then
ben_vulpes: ;)
vvande: I live in BC Canada - just in from the coast now
vvande: and came from Denmark
ben_vulpes: lovely places
ben_vulpes: actually i don't know about denmark
ben_vulpes: but i do like bc quite a bit
vvande: statism and autoritianism are not close to the heart of people who have experienced Hitler's regime
mircea_popescu: !!key vvande
deedbot: No such key.
ben_vulpes: anyways, register a key
mircea_popescu: ^ get a key eh.
vvande: I was just a kid but my parents were involved.
ben_vulpes: plenty of time to chat after you get your key into deedbot
vvande: mircea_popescu: I'll do that later, but need to get breakfast and stuff.
mircea_popescu: no rush
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes actually denmark is where the hot german chicks come from.
ben_vulpes: well then it sounds lovely
vvande: It's a pretty democratic place, but it being stirred up a bit in recent years.
vvande: Not so democratic here in Canada. We're pretty far right, in fact.
vvande: Anyway, I'll go look at that key thing. Seems easy enough to generate, but I should have a think about it.
ben_vulpes: no expiration date, don't forget the passphrase
vvande: ok, figured that so far
vvande: I havent used keys before. Should I make it "sign and encrypt"?
ben_vulpes: mhm
ben_vulpes: keep it simple
vvande: OK. I just want to make sure I don't cause trouble later.
vvande: Can i have different keys?
vvande: like just do one for here, for now?
ben_vulpes: in gpg, yes. in deedbot, no.
ben_vulpes: keys map 1:1 with identities here.
vvande: gpg is already installed - running FreeBSD
ben_vulpes: changing them is politically fraught.
vvande: well, I won't be using it a lot until I get more into it
vvande: So, OK. I'm off to do that. And ...
vvande: my sweetheart just came back, so need to make coffee for her
vvande: ltr
ben_vulpes: see ya