asciilifeform: either that, or 9,999 possible other 'i put an f1 engine in my trabant' failure modes.
mircea_popescu: anyway. in my admittedly pedestrian clinical experience, it was NEVER the myokines that limit muscle mass. it's always kidney clearance, lung efficiency and liver capacity for glycogenesis in this order.
asciilifeform: kanzure: re your link, do you know what gosplan was ?
mircea_popescu: ie, when people who are out of shape get the fuck back in shape, it is THESE ORGANS that expand first, and most.
mircea_popescu: which is why the fuck "exercise is healthy" in the first place.
asciilifeform: '... we engage in a project to "drive while we drive": to strategically influence the main factors that will strategically influence the future.'
asciilifeform: how can you read this without barfing, kanzure ?
mircea_popescu: practice.
asciilifeform: at least sov gosplan never rose to the megalomania of 'plan future of all man'
asciilifeform: ( not, at any rate, explicitly )
mircea_popescu: hehehe i was about to say.
mircea_popescu: there was a lot of the nonsense floating about, esp cca 1940s and 50s. back when they belieft.
asciilifeform: nothing, afaik, quite like this.
mircea_popescu: this is always an unfair comparison for the esltards, because all other languages being spoken by man over time have built in ridiculous protectors.
mircea_popescu: english is a doggerel, has nothing in it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where was the 'game plan' thread
asciilifeform: oh hah mircea_popescu linked it few min ago
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, linked in my last. talk about premonitory.
asciilifeform: indeed
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/ ftr.
asciilifeform: 'Mouthbreathers living in squalor all over the US are mentally preparing to solve the 3rd world's famine problems. Just in case. You never know when you suddenly become powerful. Fucking Cinderella syndrome, an entire generation of sleeping beauties.'
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: but isn't that what technologee is all about!!!
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that it wasn't, appears, the generation that played civ, that grew into these
asciilifeform: but the next, that didn't
asciilifeform has theory, that one of the fundamental and incurable psychodysfunctions of the ameritard is the picture, formed in childhood, of 'world of plenty', 'infinite resources', 'as soon said as done', 'just needs to be managed and komyoonitiorganized' etc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704153 << i can certify i've not used language in trhis manner sicne about 5th grade.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 21:39 kanzure: "and as such they're not only infinite and uncountable, but even undefined" but isn't this what calibration is for. you communicate with people because you are trying to callibrate collective goal behavior shit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform always how this happens. it wasn't the generatio nthat slept in cow dung under the biting western wind that thought cowboy is tough guy
mircea_popescu: but the next one.
mircea_popescu: nobody thought himself a hero for being at verdun. more like an idiot, really.
asciilifeform: to the wind generation, cowboy is normal d00d
asciilifeform: doing normal things
mircea_popescu: well... normal poor dood.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: doing what can be done.
mircea_popescu: anyway, amusingly enough that exact outlook, 'world of plenty', 'infinite resources', 'as soon said as done', 'just needs to be managed and komyoonitiorganized' resulted in the panic of 1837.
mircea_popescu: i talked of it a little somewhere, it's very amusingly similar
mircea_popescu: (the systemic shock then was the europeans, not the chinese, taking their gold back home. the us survived that one.)
asciilifeform: 'we'll feed everybody by printing 10bil foodvouchers' is an eternal plague
asciilifeform: the borderline-retarded buy it because retarded; the cynical grifters buy it because 'i'll be first to the trough'
mircea_popescu: at the risk of splitting hairs, that's possibly a different strand of the same coli.
kanzure: 10 billion food vouchers can be printed if you would like to shut them up the hilarious way
kanzure: they could even eat the vouchers if you'd like
mircea_popescu: lol. finally, 3d printing on biological material that matters! USE EXPANDED RICE!
kanzure: oh print the voucher on the rice? i've been doing it wrong i guess.
asciilifeform: the 'we can create 10bil plates of shitburger to go with the vouchers if only we KomyoonityOrganizeStoneSoup correctly' is simply slightly moar elaborate version of same.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform arguably the "world of plenty" "boundless bounty of this is our land" is one kind of nativist ; whereas assignats more of a frenchypoof thing.
mircea_popescu: kanzure yes, the chinese fortune cookie see ? include the blessing with the meal. "by order of our most supreme government, you are obligated and alloweds to eat this"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's the operative diff ? -- other than where one places the 'world of plenty' hallucination in the present, and other -- in future..?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now ask me what is the diff between polar and cartesian coord systems.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference.
asciilifeform brb, meat
mircea_popescu can't help but visualize endless expanded rice cakes, painted with the required assignats drawings. sort of like e-stamps, only edible.
mircea_popescu: fucking fabulous idea. make the ink HFCS caramel too.
mircea_popescu: http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3932032/thumbs/o-RICE-CAKE-570.jpg << item's as close to paper as it gets. stores forever...
mircea_popescu: nice and filling...
mircea_popescu: kanzure 188 wpm sorta top speed ? that's pretty impressive.
kanzure: it's a completely useless skill
kanzure: i'm able to keep up with core developers as they babble on about stuff, though https://bitcoincore.org/logs/2016-05-zurich-meeting-notes.html
mircea_popescu: not completely useless, i don't think.
kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/2016-july-bitcoin-developers-miners-meeting/cali2016/
mircea_popescu: o hey, check that out, logs.
kanzure: (these are real-time transcripts. nobody has time to go back and type. i just do it in real-time.)
mircea_popescu: see ? useful enough.
mircea_popescu: so what do you do for a living anyway ?
kanzure: https://ledgerx.com/introducing-ledgerx/
mircea_popescu: ah that's why he blacklisted you
kanzure: i am honored. (who?)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-27#898659 << raised what, 3years ago ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-10-27 21:05 los_pantalones: mircea_popescu i can't believe how much $ the ledgerX guys raised
mircea_popescu: kanzure asciilifeform
kanzure: that was one month after i was onboarded
kanzure: so yeah they did not have diligence until i showed up
mircea_popescu: so which of https://ledgerx.com/management-team/ is you then ?
kanzure: i never asked to be listed there
kanzure: oh yeah, i'm not. ok.
mircea_popescu: wait, you are telling me you are working at company x BECAUSE you work there, not so that you're on the //heres-some%20stock-photos-stolen-from-internets.htmk page ?!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704181 << i'm not much of an engineer ; i don't even own any ikea desk converted into an open thermo-thingee.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 22:14 kanzure: well originally my purpose (that's right i said it) of bringing this up with mircea_popescu was to query his preferences regarding thermonuclear war err i mean eugenics err i mean direct participation in technology development for genome engineering projects
mircea_popescu: seems i'd be uniquely unqualified for teh job.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704183 << they are. resource allocation, including man hours, is not open to all comers ; it is not even open to "community" anything.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 22:15 kanzure: if things are so willy wonka in here that one cannot apply effort to directed intentional behavior then i'm not really sure how to communicate
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704192 << logically, shouldn't it terminate itself for that reason ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 22:21 trinque: yudsy's basillisk does not flow back through time in-order-to bring about itself.
mircea_popescu: maybe that's why alf's ecoli were so uncooperative. basiliskation.
kanzure: so far the only form of 'resource allocation' that i can peg you down for is re: something something 'protection of friendlines from idiocy'
kanzure: *friendlies
kanzure: and 'attention' maybe.
mircea_popescu: i thought you read the logs.
mircea_popescu: the republic fabricates its own hardware, building towards a complete stack. not to mention its own software, idem.
mircea_popescu: it's a state, like any other. well, better than most, at least in tech terms.
kanzure: i was not aware of this.
mircea_popescu: ever heard of eg phuctor ?
kanzure: no
mircea_popescu: aite, so it's this item that factors privkeys. has the whole db of pgp and ssh keys.
mircea_popescu: you can teach yourself lisp by talking to candi_lustt
mircea_popescu: there's all sorta things.
mod6: evenin'
mircea_popescu: hola
mod6 reads scrollback
mircea_popescu: kanzure ftr, does your pdfparanoia thing also wipe the yellow printer dots ?
kanzure: no just the ip address stuff
kanzure: i do not have a sample of yellow printer dots in academic papers to work from. if you have a sample, i'll be happy to debug that.
mircea_popescu: why not ? woulda saved that chicks bacon, what was her name.
kanzure: alexandra
kanzure: so it turns out, i was the reason why she got doxxed
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do we have the famous pdf unicorn-coconut or whatever took to the inept competition instead of bringing to qntra, resulting in a jail term for her ?
kanzure: i met her in 2010 at a harvard transhumanism conference. i recognized her profile pic (rotated) on a scihub site.
mircea_popescu: heh.
kanzure: and i said so on irc in 2013. and i think i doxxed her and now i kind of feel bad about that.
mircea_popescu: kanzure are you capable of standing up a bot which takes a link to a pdf and responds with a http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hello/?raw=true link containing the contents ?
kanzure: https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot
kanzure: ( http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ )
mircea_popescu: not exactly what i want. it should work with arbitrary user provided links ; and it should specifically spit out the format required.
mircea_popescu: (most of the heavy lifting consists of OCR, mind you. that's the core of the job.)
kanzure: you'll have to find someone else to do as much
mircea_popescu: aite.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704526 << colour laser is fiddybux at junk store☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 01:02 kanzure: i do not have a sample of yellow printer dots in academic papers to work from. if you have a sample, i'll be happy to debug that.
asciilifeform: ( the dot pattern was reversed long ago, however , is public )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i see the merit in using the actual item though.
asciilifeform: which item ?
asciilifeform: colour laser ? everybody who bought a FG, has a thick wad of yellowdotted printout
kanzure: pdfparanoia strips the "YOUR IP ADDRESS IS" from the margins of pdfs.
mircea_popescu: nah wtf was her name
asciilifeform: ( i print'em on old clunker that definitely has them dotz )
kanzure: alexandra elbakyan
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: realitywinner?
mircea_popescu: yes! ty!
mircea_popescu: dumbass usg naming styles.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: chix renamed itself
asciilifeform: supposedly.
mircea_popescu: kanzure different chick. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666586☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 18:15 BingoBoingo: So the politics of "Reality Winner" is a bottomless lulz spiral.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what diff does that make. still the same dumbass FLUXBABBIT!!!11 nonsense
asciilifeform: it does read quite like an nsalogical compartmentname, dunnit. REALITYWINNER.
mircea_popescu: yup
asciilifeform: ( somewhere, in another castle, there languishes a DREAMLOSER )
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally another castle.
asciilifeform: kanzure: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704513 >> see also http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 00:48 mircea_popescu: the republic fabricates its own hardware, building towards a complete stack. not to mention its own software, idem.
kanzure: is this yours. it says mpex.
asciilifeform: kanzure: mpex is mircea_popescu's emporium.
asciilifeform: i expected you knew this.
kanzure: nope
asciilifeform: srsly?! must be 1st d00d ever to walk in, who did not.
mircea_popescu: refreshing, at that.
asciilifeform: pretty sure this is a historic first.
mircea_popescu: what else did you miss, lessee, the 1k btc berkshire bet ?
kanzure: huh?
asciilifeform: probably also missed the phuctoring
kanzure: i am really, really illiterate. i live in a different world.
mircea_popescu: the lulzarmageddon on something awful, "oh bitcoin is useless" "really ? here's a dork shoving crayons in his ass for bitcoin" "OMFG porn and winning unpopular arguments are now bannable offenses on something awful" ?
asciilifeform: and the demolition of ethertardium
mircea_popescu: there's really a lot.
mircea_popescu: no there was no proof re that.
asciilifeform: probably never yet seen trb, either...
asciilifeform: or v. or ffa. and what elses.
mircea_popescu: possibly isn't aware how gavin lost a head also...
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. ima bbl.
asciilifeform: kanzure: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored << 1697 and counting rsa keys publicly raped.
asciilifeform: kanzure: as for why you won't read about it in the lugenpress, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687903 << n00b review☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 23:21 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: review, http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored , http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations , http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag
asciilifeform bbl, meat
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E0A97C08E2DA96685C3A9BB822E1D127FED0E923BB60549AA1628FB49EAA3688 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1554...7607 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (cm-58-10-212-17.revip7.asianet.co.th. TH 74)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E0A97C08E2DA96685C3A9BB822E1D127FED0E923BB60549AA1628FB49EAA3688 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1481...2719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (cm-58-10-212-17.revip7.asianet.co.th. TH 74)
asciilifeform: !~later tell kanzure http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704482 << realize, NOT ONE of these imbeciles, nor the idiocies they uttered, has a single thing to do with ACTUAL bitcoin. not the 'core dev' nsa tools, not the dan boneh ( http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/2016-july-bitcoin-developers-miners-meeting/dan-boneh ) nsa stooge; not the chinese derps.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 00:22 kanzure: i'm able to keep up with core developers as they babble on about stuff, though https://bitcoincore.org/logs/2016-05-zurich-meeting-notes.html
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell kanzure elementary likbez : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685595☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 21:24 mircea_popescu: let's approach the easier end of this. the necessary precondition for any fork succieeding on the bitcoin network was set forth last year : http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704484 << another astonishing horror show. recommended to all dedicated entomologists.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 00:22 kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/2016-july-bitcoin-developers-miners-meeting/cali2016/
asciilifeform read both links, 'holy mother of fuck, these people think... all of this matters'
asciilifeform: massive, mind-boggling pile of 'roundtables', 'consensuses', 'preps for hardfork', 'plans for future of bitcoin'
asciilifeform: 'I think we are interested in any and all opportunities to collaborate. We will try to setup a commercial circle. We hope that the Core developers will join. In the afternoon, we can come back after we visit Stanford. We have an hour gap and we can come back here. I have reserved the conference room for the whole day. We can still come back here. Googleplex is not very far from here. It takes 30min to get there or less. We can still
asciilifeform: come back.'
asciilifeform: 'Over the last few days, some Bitcoin developers and miners got together for a social gathering to improve communication, friendship, and to do some California sightseeing. We talked about where bitcoin is and where bitcoin is going. We learned a lot from each other. We also visited Stanford to attend a cryptography talk to learn more about potential improvements for Bitcoin, as well as the Google campus to give a presentation and ta
asciilifeform: lk about Bitcoin. We had many informal discussions amongst ourselves about topics such as mining decentralization, evolution of the Bitcoin protocol, safety improvements and progress for both soft- and hard-forks...' didjaknow!!
asciilifeform: 'safety improvements' didjaknow !
kanzure: ya the miners were trying to propose a centralized organization.
asciilifeform: y'mean legitimize the existing central cartel.
kanzure: no i mean coercing me into saying things that i don't believe
asciilifeform: kanzure: what, specifically ? ( and... why ? )
kanzure: you're asking me why miners would want a central organization to control bitcoin....?
asciilifeform: mno
asciilifeform: what they 'coercing me into saying things that i don't believe' and why.
kanzure: e.g. vouch for various hard-forks
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the days when "teh cartel didn't exist" ?
mircea_popescu: "'I think his followers actually kind of excommunicated him after he lost their bitcoins." as opposed to "he actually blew up the early feelers of teh cartel a year ago, we're STILL butthurt about it".
kanzure: block content is actually not sufficient. even if you include a nonce (like a private key) plus the previous block content, you don't actually get what you need there in the sha3 proposal.
kanzure: one way i was thinking was something like, move the transaction merkle root out of the blockheader, eliminate the block header, full transaction list must be transmitted in order to verify PoW. unfortunately gmaxwell broke this in 3 seconds (because midstate).
asciilifeform: kanzure: keccak dun have midstates.
kanzure: uh
asciilifeform: at any rate, kanzure , the latest word on subj was http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-01#1620661 thread.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-01 19:32 asciilifeform: ooook try this on for size : suppose fixed-width TX (as discussed earlier.) T(N) is the Nth tx, T(0) is the first tx in genesis block, etc. Tmax is the last tx in the currentheightblock.
kanzure: can you riterate the value of proving they have a copy of the blockchain. what you really need is a proof that everyone else has a copy of the blockchain (e.g. all utxo owners sign the damn content).
asciilifeform: i must invoke babbage here,
asciilifeform: 'i cannot rightfully apprehend the confusion of ideas that could lead to such a question'
kanzure: so, miners having a copy of an invalid blockchain is sort of irrelevant
asciilifeform: mno, it ain't.
kanzure: they can have many invalid things, as long as they choose to broadcast the valid thing
asciilifeform: 'can't use bitcoin PERIOD' unless you have a proper, honest motherfucking node, with ALL the blocks' is the Right Thing.
asciilifeform: no 'prunings', no 'simplified' nonsense.
asciilifeform: no 'i can't believe it's not fullblockchain' idiocy.
kanzure: so, i had a proposal a while back where i pushed that question to the edges instead of to the miners; e.g. a bitcoin address scheme where it requires interactive querying to determine whether the recipient is actually running a node (because why would you send coins to a monkey that isn't running the bitcoin protocol).
asciilifeform: full. history. of. the. world. -- or you can't play.
asciilifeform: kanzure: if it's cheaply outsourceable, it proves shit.
kanzure: well, i agree, however you can include a private key in the scheme, and if the user is outsourcing their private key they are dumb anyway
asciilifeform: waiwat
asciilifeform: private key?!
kanzure: yea you can prove that they are hashing a value of blocchain content (or doing rule validation) with the presence of a secret nonce, etc.
asciilifeform: known to whom ?
asciilifeform: flesh this out
kanzure: i think the most mature construction was one that was solely about utxo set and/or blockchain content, not rule validation (besides: they could be running a fake client that solely does these rule validation protocols or whatever, and then they don't actually run a node in the end)
asciilifeform: 'utxo set' is of the heathens.
mircea_popescu: kanzure you can't put that sort of burden on key generation. he has a point with the babbage quote, you're trying to put contraryt things in the same box.
asciilifeform: ('utxo set' is a broken concept, thoroughly and to the bone : it implies that it is somehow acceptable to forget the history of all coin, i.e. the thing that proves that EVERY bitcent actually came from blockrewards as-specified, and not from magicking into existence a la fiatola )
asciilifeform: !#s pruning
a111: 66 results for "pruning", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pruning
asciilifeform: ^ see also
asciilifeform: NOTHING is 'prunable' in bitcoin.
asciilifeform: or ever will be.
asciilifeform: if you 'pruned', you ain't running bitcoin.
asciilifeform: yer running bernankecoin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something like pubkey = hash(hash(privkey+proofstring) . privkey). you publish the pubkey AND the hash(privkey+proofstring) component. then when spending they check that indeed the proofstring component was correct.
mircea_popescu: this is rank nonsense, for the record.
asciilifeform: (today, or 100yrs from now, when blockchain is petabyte. NO reprieve.)
mircea_popescu: even without going into any discussion re what is a "proper" proofstring.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had this thread. if 'pruning' is a thing -- monetary mass is no longer demonstrably capped.
mircea_popescu: we're discussing different things.
asciilifeform: nobody's ever conceived of a finesse around this, and i don't expect that anyone will.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which different thing
asciilifeform: aah
mircea_popescu: you are discussing the composition of said proofstring ; i was giving the ur-example of what he's talking about, "make USERS prove they have the blockchain, not miners".
asciilifeform: ftr i dun see why not to make users also demonstrate possession of actual blockchain.
asciilifeform: ( yer sig gets hashed and you get to luby in 3 tx from history... )
mircea_popescu: for one thing because i want to be able to spend by hand.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, * Topic for ##hplusroadmap is: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by lobsters everywhere, banned by the Federal Death Administration (5 times)
asciilifeform: how, with telegraph key?!
asciilifeform: tididididahdahdah...
mircea_popescu: user pays for tx via fee. that's 100% all he has to do. if he should pay more, let the fee be more. there's not going to be any tack-ons in kind, it's a monetary system not fucking 1800s serfdom.
asciilifeform: somebody without a node is not a user, but a barnacle.
mircea_popescu: the problem is not one of proof, here, and it is imperial nonsensemachine to misrepresent it in terms of proof.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: funnily enough, BchE is ~the~ preantidote. inject couplea grams, and walk right through vx. << AHA, an innovation to revolutionize pest control!
mircea_popescu: the problem is that the money users pay is pocketed by the miners for mining ; whereas it should be pocketed by miners + nodes for mining + noding.
mircea_popescu: as oft discussed, the current system excists as does because satoshi was a lazy thinker.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform someone with privkeys is someone.
mircea_popescu: it is at his pleasure that nodes and miners labour.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618589 << canonical, iirc, thread.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox.
mircea_popescu: kanzure is http://gnusha.org/logs supposed to not load ?
kanzure: your interweb is broken
asciilifeform: loads here
mircea_popescu: o look at that, 3.5k long file.
mircea_popescu: who designs these things.
asciilifeform: e.g. http://gnusha.org/logs/2017-08-28.log
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the root is just shockingly lengthy.
asciilifeform: '15:49 < jrayhawk> i feel like popescu is what happens when you confuse postmodernism with intellectualism and then read too much alt-right literature'
asciilifeform: lul
mircea_popescu: o.O
asciilifeform: turns out goats really do think 'hey, it moves, has legs, IS ANOTHER GOAT'
mircea_popescu: wtf is alt-right literature for my curiosity ? not ann raynd and such i hope ?
asciilifeform: reddit?
mircea_popescu: oh that's literature now ? god help us.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you run a grep on the site over my name or what
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: just snarfed lastlog
asciilifeform: was fulla pastes
mircea_popescu: ah
asciilifeform: kanzure: if it weren't clear, 'nuke with materials of electronics' means '0 fissiles'
asciilifeform: as in, 0 grams of anything you can't sit down and order right now for with 0 questions asked.
BingoBoingo: <kanzure> alright so the argument is that to whatever extent there's a modellable aspect, that's a failure mode and not necessarily a preference << Consider http://trilema.com/2011/arta-pedepsirii/
asciilifeform is astonished at the elaborate dance of 'we dun get it' in $linked
mircea_popescu: hey, for every single articulation there's multiple positions, and the shit we dabble in is many articulations long. combinatorial explody.
mircea_popescu: so basically, this is a sort of republic-like, some people got together trying to do [what their idea of] good is. not nearly as dead as cat-v.org thing for instance.
asciilifeform: '16:38 < jrayhawk> he needs verifiable/falsifiable examples, but i think i have already stopped caring' << winner
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: d00d had some quite musculatured, and not otherwise mutilated ( as far as anybody could tell ) rat << And time + selective breeding some well built bulls in Belgium
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far in my reading all i see is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699409 .☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 20:26 asciilifeform: 'whaddayamean you won't eat from the trough' 'not a swine? everybody's a swine, and you're an elitist swine' etc
mircea_popescu: eh. think of it this way, if people didn't have barriers at all they'd be goo.
mircea_popescu: not even gray. pink goo.
asciilifeform: they spread leg^H^H^Hmembrane for thiel/yudkowsky/etc al on command tho
asciilifeform: such barrier.
mircea_popescu: every membrane will have a pore. it's only natural. dja know the joke with the horny bear ?
asciilifeform: 18:39 < fenn> it doesn’t pass the self check and was probably broken while uploaded.
asciilifeform: 18:39 < fenn> therefore probably nothing really happened."
asciilifeform: didjaknow, mircea_popescu !
asciilifeform: ( re phuctor, apparently )
mircea_popescu: hm ?
kanzure: if operatig the yudkowsy parody twitter account for five years is insufficient to convince you that i absolutely hate the person, then what would?
asciilifeform: 18:40 < yashgaroth> ah, that's a lot of people to dedicate to a dumb idea << usg.dtra, unclass. to the tune of couplea decamil.
asciilifeform: public record.
mircea_popescu: kanzure conviction is a rare material ; take it easy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with the current crop of kids is that they're so used to have OTHERS pick their reading materials for them.
mircea_popescu: be it in school, on reddit, whatever. as a result, have deeply nfi about relatively fundamental, basic stuff, and WAY too much familiarity with relatively irrelevant fringe extensions of minor alt-theories in obscure fields.
asciilifeform: 18:29 < kanzure> yeah i don't know anymore
asciilifeform: 18:29 < kanzure> buncha noise
asciilifeform: why did we voice d00d again..?
kanzure: hash functions are supposed to look like noise you dolt
asciilifeform: 17:17 < kanzure> could the atmosphere be flooded with gas + nutrients sufficient to feed a person if lungs weren't awful
mircea_popescu: ie, "why do you know so much about string theory ?" "because im on this biker forum and this guy steve keeps posting articles about it" "yes but... it's neither that important nor interesting" "i dunno"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz we're patient and tolerant and i have a houseful of teenagers, mr grouch.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo do we have the famous pdf unicorn-coconut or whatever took to the inept competition instead of bringing to qntra, resulting in a jail term for her ? << http://qntra.net/2017/06/reality-winner-arrested-for-leaking-to-omidyar-and-greenwalds-fake-qntra/
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aha! it's like mp-berylium that thing, totally reflects my memory rays.
kanzure: claiming that it's not supposed to look like noise (explicitly after saying that was your goal) is just insane
asciilifeform: waiwat..?
kanzure: well you didn't say it; but let's stick to the deriving-from-authority concept eh?
mircea_popescu: kanzure fluid respiration does happen, and has happened since the 70s. it's not even that costly, biologically. lung NUTRITION however is impossibru.
mircea_popescu: hydration is prolly going to emphysema-kill you in weeks at the most. sorta in-between
kanzure: yeah i don't think existing lungs would be a good thing to subject to that. i haven't given it much thought.
mircea_popescu: but ftr, lungs aren't awful. especially human lungs are jewels imo.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you ever had the opportunity to see lung tissue under good magnification, but it's a wonder.
kanzure: "gas everyone with food" just seemed like an appealing thing to momentarily speculat eabout.
asciilifeform: kanzure: i must've missed something : hash functions ?
kanzure: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu seems to be better at reading logs than you :-)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in summary, it's impossible to make sense of the leaves of a merkle tree that you don't have the root for, is what he's saying.
kanzure: mircea_popescu: so do you just claim a monopoly on discipline or what
mircea_popescu: kanzure not at all.
kanzure: this was re: the power conversation
mircea_popescu: i don't even claim to be particularly disciplined.
asciilifeform: merkletree in bitcoin is a misfeature.
mircea_popescu: i used the term metaphorically. the convo sounds like noise to you because you don't accept/have the priors. which priors he'd propose are a different authority structure.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was not able to discern these folx's priors -- other than 'we suck thiel's cock on command, like every good redditpilltaker'
kanzure: yes i understand it's merely a metaphor; i think asciilifeform did too.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, i didn't get very far in.
kanzure: asciilifeform: the stuff about hash functions was re: what exercise of power does mircea_popescu historically engage in. and then you quoted things from the logs. it wasn't that long ago.
kanzure: and then you come to me and argue that you guys aren't meant to look like noise....?
asciilifeform: kanzure: didja read http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, re lungs, as im a fan apparently : gas exchange happens through a wonderful bevy of yet poorly understood fluid/fluid phenomena. there's some true space tech going on in there.
asciilifeform: i particular the sentence containing ' i will sink any ...'
asciilifeform: *in particular
kanzure: asciilifeform: ah you mean that is one such example. fine.
asciilifeform: !#s missile crisis
a111: 47 results for "missile crisis", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=missile%20crisis
mircea_popescu: kanzure i'll tell you, i read the log every day, first thing, chiefly because it's the higherst snr item i know of. so not really noisy, no.
kanzure: i don't mean the log i just mean your goals and behavior
mircea_popescu: i actually dun have goals. if you measure an absence you'll get noise definitionally, what else.
kanzure: that could explain it
kanzure: so you are a leaf riding some gust of wind. fine.
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: lol check it out, "slavery" manipulation. here, let's resolve this problem : http://trilema.com/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/ << meet girl on the left ; girl on the right.
mircea_popescu: there's plenty more.
mircea_popescu: there's no semantic manipulation, i mean it quite literally. when i say chains i mean chains ; when i say whips i mean whips.
mircea_popescu: <kanzure> so you are a leaf riding some gust of wind. fine. << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575987☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 20:37 mircea_popescu: A student told his friend, "My teacher has amazing powers. He moves a pen in the air and characters appear on a piece of paper held on the other side of the river. What does your master do?" His friend replied "My great master follows Zen. When he is hungry, he eats and when he is tired he sleeps."
kanzure: alright so you're an instructor... just like 400 million other idiots.
mircea_popescu: heh.
kanzure: (actually it's not that bad. there's probably less than 400 million of them.)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704721 << recall gabriel_laddel ? who slept through 'boring old' newton's laws, but is 'expert' on, what was it, string derpery, etc☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 03:28 mircea_popescu: be it in school, on reddit, whatever. as a result, have deeply nfi about relatively fundamental, basic stuff, and WAY too much familiarity with relatively irrelevant fringe extensions of minor alt-theories in obscure fields.
asciilifeform: pestilential, this.
mircea_popescu: not specifically. but it's common, i see it lots.
BingoBoingo: In other news, Taylor Swift released an awesome white power anthem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmd-ClpJxA
mircea_popescu: !!ssh
mircea_popescu: hmm which was it.
mircea_popescu: !$ssh
mircea_popescu: kanzure re "broken while uploaded" : tell fenn phuctor has not just all the pgp keys ; but also all the ssh keys, though apparently not the one for his home computer. and to stop being so superficial wtf.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we're ~61% though the Framedragger dataset atm.
mircea_popescu: aha. not to mention you know, http://trilema.com/2016/internet-census-2016/ and so on.
asciilifeform: ( after this -- Framedragger take2; then ssl ... )
mircea_popescu: but then again this is how the whole "democracy" derp dies, "publish the data so people who don't have the time to study it don't study it"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, why would they want to study it! can simply 'unhappen' it. i suspect they will not even flinch when we start formatting their hdds
asciilifeform: and zeroing their fw.
mircea_popescu: o lol, what was that, i recall something in this vein
mircea_popescu: oh oh, the alt-power dorks, right right.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : in other news, cat *.log | wc -l > 1231786.
mircea_popescu: !~calc 1231786 / 365 / 5
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1231786 / 365 / 5 = 674.9512328767123
asciilifeform: today's?!
mircea_popescu: reasonably active.
mircea_popescu: nah, all time. 5 years or so.
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: aaah the heathens
asciilifeform: that's what, a month of us.
asciilifeform: in 5y...
mircea_popescu: nah, about 5 years.
mircea_popescu: what's the noise level here, 500-1k lines a day or something like that. about same.
asciilifeform: #gavins or wherever, about same, i suspect ( if largely part-join spamola )
mircea_popescu: ah, i didn't specifically exclude that. lessee.
mircea_popescu: cat *log | grep -v ' \[~' | wc -l > 921344
mircea_popescu: notrly that bad. 1/3 or so.
asciilifeform: now if only it were something more interesting than thiel fellatio, string-theoretical quantum mimblewimbles, and gaseous nutritions...
asciilifeform: ( so far is all i saw )
mircea_popescu: time has a splendid way of resolving such uncertainties.
asciilifeform: whole thing reeks rancidly of 'bay aryan'. whether there is something of substance buried beneath the kilometres of sludge -- i cannot say.
mircea_popescu: i think one of the major advantages of my not living there is starting to shape itself pretty clearly. you're rather reactively allergic, aren't you alfie.
BingoBoingo: 'bay aryan' is just another way of spelling 'gay carrion'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i live to see the thermoablation of shitifornia, i will have lived long enough.
asciilifeform: ideally 1 perfect sheet of glass, not 1 tree standing.
mircea_popescu: dja have any idea what that'd cost ?
asciilifeform: well clearly toomuch. but can dream!11
mircea_popescu: nobody's doing it. this is like "i want him so shot fulla lead, it's practically a 2x2 lead sheet he impacts with".
mircea_popescu: "but sir... that's kinda not how bullets work"
asciilifeform: wellyes.
asciilifeform: recall scene from '100 yrs of solitude'
asciilifeform: with the wheelbarrow.
mircea_popescu: really though, what did minessota ever do to you
mircea_popescu: or to anyone for that matter.
asciilifeform: and will point out, glass sheet consisting of former 'bay area' ~is~ possible.
asciilifeform: pretty much all of nerve center of derpistan is a few square km, today just as it was in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703758 .☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-27 20:03 mircea_popescu: the stupid cunt universally depicted in movies comes from the boston common, a one square mile area of little distinction.
mircea_popescu: yeah. complete ablation not the way to go, even the mongols left a blind and a deaf man to tell the story.
mircea_popescu: 16:53 < nmz787> hmm, there's a new biotech thing starting on the floor below genspace (or at least where genspace was) << i wonder if this sorta thing ever gives them any pause.
asciilifeform: pretty sure that the curative asteroid would also leave behind a few blind,deaf crapple campus janitor, to tell tale.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform saw the lulzy part where superficial fenn correctly identifies usg as "a bunch of neonazis that want to gas everybody except themselves" ?
asciilifeform: entirely correct
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
mircea_popescu: even the blind clock...
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: anyway. kinda not so much there that i want to read other days on its basis.
asciilifeform: btw the original 'donor blood' BcHE 'bioscavenger' thing -- afaik still in production. when you donate blood in usa, chances are, some of it goes to help lizards survive their inevitable someday contact with the curative gas.
mircea_popescu: kanzure recommend a coupla good log days in your estimation if you will.
asciilifeform: as 20k-usd/dose prophylactic.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: not even that expensive. one openbsd.
asciilifeform: per fucktard per day.
mircea_popescu: sounds about right
asciilifeform: y'know, the old legends re liches drinking blood of young ? well, these -- do.
asciilifeform: literally.
mircea_popescu: hey. there's nothing wrong with ilya muromets kills the koschei. BUT! there's also nothing wrong when koschei kills all the fucktarded uppity youth who weren't ilya.
asciilifeform: they largely die of boredom.
asciilifeform: turns out -- koschei's sharpest knife.
mircea_popescu: guess so.
asciilifeform: oh, speaking of death by boredom,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7KayJ/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heh
asciilifeform: unfuckingbelievable.
BingoBoingo: From the WhatTheFun mines: "I come from the Houston area and have been heartbroken about the damage and scenes from Harvey. I decided to donate $250 and asked my girlfriend if she would match it. She agreed, and then when I asked if she had given to the Red Cross or someone else, I learned that she donated to the Humane Society. I know she’s absolutely nuts about animals, especially our own dogs, but to give to animals when people are
BingoBoingo: in trouble seems heartless to me. She’s much more politically active than I am, and I finally asked if she did that to avoid the possibility of giving money to someone who voted for Trump, and she admitted that was one of the reasons. I think that’s awful, and we’ve been fighting about it ever since. She thinks as a gay woman I should see her side, but I just can’t."
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wait till she learns how the street dogz of houston, voted.
mircea_popescu: lmao
BingoBoingo: Make Kibble Great Again!
mircea_popescu: fun fact : dogs grab pussy all teh time ; would have all voted trump.
mircea_popescu: nothing hates old women society as much as dogs do.
asciilifeform: they'll root out the menstruators, also, as if pig -- truffle
mod6: aha
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nothing hates old women society as much as dogs do. << lettuce not forget the Human Society's other priority, the cats! Cats who fleece old women society while snorting catnip and other drugs during pussy grabbing orgies.
BingoBoingo: Companion animals are deeply alt-conservative.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4380.0, vol: 6935.74503788 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4377.4, vol: 16393.35961664 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4390.0, vol: 3588.52097016 | Volume-weighted last average: 4379.74969838
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2017/bitcoin-faucet/ << Daniel P. Barron - Bitcoin Faucet
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1013D0B88AA943868BE25B8727E44671623A0CB511CAD07B0B5D139B0527BA27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1541...2109 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (server474.mivitec.net. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1013D0B88AA943868BE25B8727E44671623A0CB511CAD07B0B5D139B0527BA27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1562...0843 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (server474.mivitec.net. DE)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron "scandalous"
mircea_popescu: and wd on the half dolla a day huh.
danielpbarron: ty
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in faux old country, http://68.media.tumblr.com/72c80abf2a2846b3bf55b9664b6dc899/tumblr_nw5mofCDbh1uxetfho1_1280.jpg
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/11167DCDC406092023DA152068952BA67F3F0B74C0DF9A048062961C0D39204C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1459...5807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (lvps87-230-94-174.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/11167DCDC406092023DA152068952BA67F3F0B74C0DF9A048062961C0D39204C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1717...0683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (lvps87-230-94-174.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW)
ben_vulpes: daily paranoid fantasies: https://www.gq.com/story/the-great-pot-monopoly-mystery
mircea_popescu: heh. and doh.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703826 <-- aha. wouldn't surprise me if profiling were possible from "sandboxed" js, a la https://arxiv.org/pdf/1507.06955.pdf or similar attacks☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:03 asciilifeform: in other noose, https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity17/sec17-tang.pdf >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Gw8Sr/?raw=true << ever wonder what 'power management' controller is actually for ? ( answer: fault injection, so nsa can help your, e.g., chineseremaindertheorem-using rsatron, shit out privkey )
spyked: (text version: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ro4vU/?raw=true )
kanzure: mircea_popescu: http://gnusha.org/logs/?C=S;O=D
kanzure: mircea_popescu: maybe http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-06-06.log
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704716 << i don't think it matters which faction of ultra rationalist posthumanists you belong to. either way the nature of your misunderstanding of tmsr take certain predictable shape, and so are your interests, etc. nobody thinks that you literally suck yudkowsky's cock, but personally i don't even care.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 03:26 kanzure: if operatig the yudkowsy parody twitter account for five years is insufficient to convince you that i absolutely hate the person, then what would?
phf: there was a wiki in 2005 or so, called "mentat wiki". i think it was cool not so much for the content as the premise. it was supposed to be a collection of techniques for memory recall, arithmetic, problem solving, that sort of stuff.
phf: but i think it was cool as a kind of roleplay toy "learn all these tricks and you'll be just like a mentat from dune"
phf: but the name was obviously tongue in cheek
phf: my impression is all that lesswrong, rationalwiki, yudkowsky, etc. is basically mentat wiki that took itself seriously.
kanzure: you're still lumping me in with the "rationalists"?
shinohai catches up on megalog with coffee .... [~]D
phf: well, that aside wasn't about you, but about yudkowsky.
kanzure: alright
phf: but yes i still think that you're a rationalist, without quotes. i don't think you would object to it, i mean, if you go by definition (opinions and actions based on reason and knowledge) rather than "rationalwiki" "rationalist".
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704628 <<< This dialogue between asciilifeform and kanzure boils down to http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000184.html imho☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 02:59 asciilifeform: 'can't use bitcoin PERIOD' unless you have a proper, honest motherfucking node, with ALL the blocks' is the Right Thing.
shinohai: (Many thanks to mod6 for such eloquent words)
kanzure: phf: that sounds like something else. the lesswrong folx are moron navelgazers. yes it makes sense to "use thinking" but not if the output is just a pile of ponyfic and fearmogering.
asciilifeform just made it through entomological swarmpile http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704882 -- was really sumthing☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 10:54 kanzure: mircea_popescu: maybe http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-06-06.log
asciilifeform: picture, these people :
asciilifeform: 19:41 <@fenn> the patent was the excuse everyone used for not sharing their homegrown plasmids
asciilifeform: 19:41 <@fenn> but now that there's no patent, still no free bacteria
asciilifeform: or...
asciilifeform: 17:11 < justanotheruser> kanzure: are you the 1%?
asciilifeform: 17:12 < kanzure> why do you ask?
asciilifeform: 17:12 < justanotheruser> kanzure: because you buy stuff for a bunch of people on IRC in the name of science
asciilifeform: 17:12 < justanotheruser> sounds like what a scientist would do if he became a 1%er
asciilifeform: 17:12 < seba-> really
asciilifeform: 17:13 < kanzure> i am probably 1%
asciilifeform: 17:13 < seba-> kanzure buys stuff
asciilifeform: 17:13 < seba-> so cool
asciilifeform: 17:13 < seba-> what will you buy me
asciilifeform: kanzure: you've been doing this since... '07? or when. what do you and the platoon of talkers have to show for it ? where is the desktop-biolab-on-a-chip ?
asciilifeform: or how about this gem:
asciilifeform: 15:06 < kanzure> uh, my complaint about lasers isn't about the laser itself, but rather the optics usually associated (or, in cases where i need to maintain a co2 tube, i also mean co2 tubes)
asciilifeform: srsly, 'too hard to maintain co2 tube and exhaust' ? let's-go-shopping ?
asciilifeform: even i have a working co2 setup. and i'm not even '1%'.
asciilifeform: i dun even live in fucking califuckia
asciilifeform: or... 15:26 <@fenn> now this may sound radically radical, but why not just use a metal tube << this and elsewhere, demonstrates that any and all of these people, are innocent of having ever worked with their hands, or studied so much as kindergarten experimental physics, chemistry, take yer pick
asciilifeform: srsly, steel body for rf-excited laser tube ?!
asciilifeform: i can't decide if this is more or less hilarious than gaseous food.
phf: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704255☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:07 phf: it is certainly because you haven't found the right pdfs
asciilifeform: evidently!
asciilifeform: there's 50x moar gem material in that there linked log, but i will spare the reader.
kanzure: asciilifeform: what projects would you like to see specifically? didn't like the electroporator?
kanzure: prefering solid state lasers to co2 tubes is not a crime. but you're welcome to chase ancient tech.
kanzure: interesting how you dismiss the possibility of "hand work" by some irc logs. i guess his equipment is totally fake, huh. (wtf?)
trinque: quote logs or gtfo, seriously.
trinque: this sloppiness is not how threads go in the forum.
kanzure: yes i'm sure things are usually like this (asciilifeform making up bullshit)
kanzure: like i said, this all seems like a bunch of noise. you're welcome to haphazardly flounce around but at least be honest with as much.
trinque: !!rate kanzure -1 No one here need prove himself to you.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MCR2U/?raw=true
trinque: !!v B66761AE8F397CA668DD9E96E7E180BD55F68139DDA31A79C37BAA98C8D6087F
deedbot: trinque rated kanzure -1 << No one here need prove himself to you.
kanzure: such discipline
asciilifeform: kanzure: largest ir laserdiode i was able to find on nongoldentoilet market, is 30w.
asciilifeform: ( and it costs == to what my tube cost, and ~likewise~ needs water cooling. )
asciilifeform: so not sure what is the improvement, other than a slightly less-breakable setup.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704931 << i designed, make, and sell, a physical product, kanzure . what do you sell ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 15:30 kanzure: yes i'm sure things are usually like this (asciilifeform making up bullshit)
asciilifeform: other than a usgcomplianceshitcoin.
shinohai: This is a single achievement btw .... asciilifeform is responsible for `V` which I also consider a product.
asciilifeform: the 1 item i'm still curious about, before the floor hatch opens to eject kanzure , is why the hell he is here
kanzure: i thin there are >1 kw laser diodes
asciilifeform: there are . they're five-figures.
asciilifeform: my tube -- 300bux./
kanzure: right.. so they exist.
asciilifeform: of course they exist. but q was 'why the hell still using tubes'
asciilifeform: because diode -- still golden toilet.
kanzure: i think generally we should prefer less breakable things; i'm not convinced that the non-tubes should be expensive.
asciilifeform: kanzure: if you're selling kilowatt 1000nm diode -- i'll buy !
asciilifeform: six!
asciilifeform: ... if costs less than tube.
kanzure: this is sounding more and more like a market. there's even demand. hmm.
asciilifeform: kanzure: there's ~infinite demand.
asciilifeform: tubes suck.
asciilifeform: but currently best bang for the buck, by order of magnitude.
asciilifeform: ~all large industrial cutting laser -- tube, still.
asciilifeform: diode could take over in hobbyist niche, if 30W diode didn't cost same as 100W tube. ( 30w cutter is a toy, fit only for carving porn into wooden planks )
kanzure: do you know why the laser diodes are expensive?
asciilifeform: can't say that i do
asciilifeform: will guess -- small runs.
kanzure: ugh i hope not. that would be the stupidest reason.
asciilifeform: how about find the reason, kanzure . sell some diodes. sell something useful. elsewise it looks very strange, you come here for no apparent reason than to insult, 'y'all idjits, noise, yer products, all fake, mp is powerless dolt just like me and my shilliconvalley catamites' etc
asciilifeform: pro tip : piss on american patents, 'regulations', decrees.
asciilifeform: boosts not only your profit margin, but respectability, 100x.
asciilifeform: if -- as i understand -- you're a money man, kanzure , what the hell are you still doing in the heart of the shitreich ?
asciilifeform: get out, to the free world.
asciilifeform: take a fat, greasy shit right into the mouth of 'intellectual property', 'bioethics', misc. retardations.
asciilifeform: visit pyongyang. moscow. betcha there are sane folx there, who will listen when you offer cheap laserdiode, microplate analytical box, etc
asciilifeform: ( the flip side: if you don't deliver on schedule, might lose your head... but you WILL deliver, neh? 0
asciilifeform: )
kanzure: apparently you forgot the reason why i entered. i had a question and it has been answered ("nah we only do noise- it's intentional though, so it's okay to be worthless.")
asciilifeform: project much ?
asciilifeform: where is the www where i can order kanzure's physical product ?
kanzure: it's literally the answer i was given
asciilifeform: so far i see only the page where i can read his noise
kanzure: do you mean the electroporator? which thing are you buying and why?
asciilifeform: electroporator is trivial, i can get surplus one or make own for a hundy
asciilifeform: how about cheap laser diode ?
asciilifeform: or desktop ic fab
kanzure: that's not something 've been working on. so i'm not sure it merits surprise that i don't have one?
asciilifeform: fine, desktop hplc ?
asciilifeform: gcms?
asciilifeform: iirc you were making one in '07
asciilifeform: i'd buy
kanzure: hplc in 2007 no that doesn't sound right. might have been someone else.
asciilifeform: aite... what DO you have ? can haz catalogue ?
kanzure: that's a reasonable request. i'll make catalog.
asciilifeform: plenty of unsolved technical problems, of the 'yes, golden toilet from lockheed exists, but how about a human-priced version that pisses on patents and 'property''
asciilifeform: i'd buy a desktop atomic force microscope, say.
asciilifeform: or compact electron microscope.
kanzure: i bought a FIB recently btw. have you played with one?
asciilifeform: nope. but would buy !
kanzure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focused_ion_beam
asciilifeform: supposing it were cheap, but, even more importantly, SMALL
kanzure: yea had to get a forklift to move this thing
asciilifeform: my microscopy plans are very modest : 1uM ic dies.
kanzure: 1 micron feature size?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: early 1990s.
asciilifeform: what do you image with your FIB, kanzure ?
kanzure: yes i am not sure why everyone wants to obsess over 28nm these days.
kanzure: FIB was recently acquired, currently sitting in crate, needs to be uncrated at goon house
asciilifeform: so... purchased 'just in case' ?
asciilifeform: ( nuffin' wrong with that, i suppose, if you have infinite floor space )
kanzure: just in case it works? haha
kanzure: infinite floor space is located right next to my mobious strip
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: ( i assumed 'goon house' means warehouse with 'infinite' floor or similar )
kanzure: no it's literally someone's house.
asciilifeform: aah
asciilifeform: fib is interesting to be strictly from home-fab pov
asciilifeform: *to me
asciilifeform: but it scarcely qualifies, costwise, as 'home'
asciilifeform: ( and yes, i am no stranger to buying surplus instruments. but they only SEEM cheap. what if you needed 25 of them ? or a guarantee that they continue to work for six months, without major interruption ? then welcome back to seven-figure list price. )
asciilifeform: kanzure: mp insists that he 'has no goals', but i've got a few. one of them, is a 100% nato-free workstation comp.
asciilifeform: ( soft and iron both. )
asciilifeform: one that :
asciilifeform: #!s fits in head
asciilifeform: grr
asciilifeform: !#s fits in head
a111: 121 results for "fits in head", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fits%20in%20head
asciilifeform: ( moar detail here, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284 , if yer curious . )
trinque: I still hold that wording it that way is ass-backwards.
asciilifeform: trinque: say moar ?
shinohai: #!/usr/bin/deedbot
asciilifeform: lol
trinque: lolwat
shinohai: ^____________^
trinque: asciilifeform: it is because of the size of your head that the problem must fit in it, neh?
kanzure: clarify "100% nato-free workers comp" ?
asciilifeform: trinque: the things that were not designed with fit-in-head, fit in NO head.
asciilifeform: kanzure: workstation
asciilifeform: as in, the item on your desk
trinque: "goal" is being used as a placeholder for the macro-expanded version which lines up the causes
asciilifeform: as in, machine for cad, crypto, chitchat, breaking rsa, viewing pr0n, whichever it is that one does.
asciilifeform: trinque: i don't disagree
asciilifeform: kanzure: 'nato-free' means, approximately, 'no place for nsa to hide'.
kanzure: yep understood.
kanzure: why took so long for the black ice storm whatever clifford wolfyap fpga stuff?
asciilifeform: which means NO black boxes, NO ic for which i did not personally approve the gate layout, and NO c/cpp code anywhere inside, as well as machine arch which boundschecks all array accesses.
asciilifeform: kanzure: ask the folx who did the reversing, not me, why took so long.
asciilifeform: presumably they had to pry apart the closed x86 floorplanner turds.
kanzure: "oh no i'll have to figure out an acid bath" siliconpr0n.org guy seems to do it regularly
asciilifeform: i don't recall him ever going from micrograph to fpga bitstream format
asciilifeform: ( would be spiffy tho. )
kanzure: uhh yes?
kanzure: https://github.com/nitram2342/degate
asciilifeform: kanzure: ever used ?
asciilifeform: understand what even 0.00001% ocr error rate means in re ic layout ?
kanzure: like errors when reading the nth dram cell matter
asciilifeform: who promised that it will be 'nth dram cell' ?
asciilifeform: and not somewhere else.
kanzure: anyway what was the goal, i thought it was established that circuit was insufficient, given doping layer trojans (yes there was a follow-up article but it was dumb)
asciilifeform: kanzure: i've always wanted to discuss, with clueful folx, what specifically one ought to put in 'doping trojan' to sabotage an fpga
asciilifeform: where you (opponent) have no idea what will be loaded, and where.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617495 << pertinent thread☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-24 02:36 asciilifeform: veen: let's try a historical angle. according to legend, emperor qin shi huangdi (same d00d as known for taking the 'immortality pill' and promptly croaking) had a palace with 1,500 rooms. and would not tell anyone in advance which one he plans to sleep in on a given night. and which ones he would put cutthroats in, ready to kill anyone who opens door. think 'minesweeper.'
kanzure: why do you have goals but mp not
asciilifeform: because i am an engineer ( for bread -- reverse-engineer ) , not an emperor
kanzure: are you about to start quoting galtse.cx to me
asciilifeform: nfi what that is/was.
kanzure: http://galtse.cx/ it's pretty bad
asciilifeform: never seen.
trinque: ah look he's on dick pulling again
asciilifeform: trinque: humour the man. maybe he learns something. ( maybe even -- we learn something )
asciilifeform: consider, kanzure , let's say you're fuhrer of ftmeade. which transistor in the 9572 will you diddle, to undetectably sabotage FUCKGOATS.
kanzure: no i don't have an answer, i just have peripheral knowledge of this type of attack, not specific masks to go attack RNGs
asciilifeform: kanzure: it's an fpga .
kanzure: i forget what the response was to the response though... https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=14848708327718832242&as_sdt=5,44&sciodt=0,44&hl=en
asciilifeform: takes 2 arbitrary waveforms, on the 2 input jacks, has nfi whether they come from the analogue boards that ship with the unit, or from audit machine.
asciilifeform: ( which expects, e.g., a TB output, known only to the auditor )
asciilifeform: kanzure: believe or not, i keep up with the literature. tell me how to boobytrap fpga.
asciilifeform: so that instead of the specified circuit, it instead does something different. and such that i and the buyers, do not immediately find out .
kanzure: are you willing to accept sufficiently shit fpgas? you can do something like massive buffering of the bitstream and then do analysis to check for known circuits in a lookup table :\.
asciilifeform: kanzure: what means 'shit fpga' ?
kanzure: low performance
kanzure: notably annoying when setting the bitstream up
asciilifeform: there aren't many smaller fpga sold than the 9572.
asciilifeform: 72 macrocells.
asciilifeform: ( it's a cpld, to be pedantic. )
asciilifeform: picture you as the enemy. you control the fab. what is your next move ?
asciilifeform: if you substitute a chip that shits out prng stream, in place of the transform specified in http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/fg-genesis.vpatch -- it will be immediately obvious to anyone who follows my audit recipe.
asciilifeform: ( and for so long as 1 honest unit exists, for yoke test -- to even a child, working with bare hands )
asciilifeform: lol that link seems to consist entirely of... monologues from atlasfucked
asciilifeform: ( should've guessed, 'galtse', lol )
asciilifeform: out of curiousity, kanzure , in what do you read, other than english ?
kanzure: illiteracy does not seem to be a serious concern around here
kanzure: i pretend to read all kinds of languages, but mostly english
asciilifeform: pretty serious concern
asciilifeform: !#s esl
a111: 79 results for "esl", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=esl
shinohai: yup ESLtard
shinohai: "I put all my mETH on a rooted Google pocket surveillance device, how could it possibly all be gone?" http://archive.is/sL9Rj
asciilifeform: lol, and witness the 'montrezors' in linked thread
BingoBoingo: <kanzure> it's literally the answer i was given << I can't find this re-reading log at all
BingoBoingo: <kanzure> yea had to get a forklift to move this thing << Do you still have forklift? What kind, is it for sale?
BingoBoingo: trinque: How is the ongoing weather? Perhaps submit a piece on that if reallity differs from what is on tv?
kanzure: forklift was temp rented
kanzure: BingoBoingo: re: random, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704384☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:39 kanzure: you could safely argue it would look like a plot of the sha256 function against a graph, but i would also be surprised to hear that
BingoBoingo: kanzure: Ah, was hoping maybe you had something cool you were looking to unload.
mircea_popescu: kanzure is this a girl one of yours ?
kanzure: confusion
kanzure: what?
kanzure: BingoBoingo: i unloaded the FIB from a trailer, if that's what you mean.
kanzure: (i didn't. it was someone else. but you get it.)
mircea_popescu: kanzure http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122811
kanzure: not one of mine
BingoBoingo: kanzure: Well, cheap used forklifts are like anything else. There's collector's markets, enthusiast clubs, and modding hobbyists. Though mebbe you'd picked up a cheap one.
kanzure: i see
kanzure: do people put flame stickers on forklifts and sell higher?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in which vein : coupla weeks ago saw angry forklift beeping while driving down this hill road (like 15% incline, crazy serpentines etc)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15F4FA38A9D548A96D3C479721A62823BC7C76EC8C0B0E6DA74E3BD0E36EBC4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1513...6157 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown TR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15F4FA38A9D548A96D3C479721A62823BC7C76EC8C0B0E6DA74E3BD0E36EBC4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1797...1043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown TR)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sweet, was it one of those little toyota LPG trucks?
mircea_popescu: had to have the lift raised or else would have suspended itself
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: no, it was very much a supermarket forklift, plain and simple
mircea_popescu: tiny wheels no air etc.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, toyota makes those
mircea_popescu: ah k
BingoBoingo: orange and off-navy blue paint
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it was electric
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704878 << seems likely actually.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 10:14 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703826 <-- aha. wouldn't surprise me if profiling were possible from "sandboxed" js, a la https://arxiv.org/pdf/1507.06955.pdf or similar attacks
BingoBoingo: The electrics tend to not be roadable at all. 4 points base instead of 3, etc
mircea_popescu: quite.
BingoBoingo: kanzure: Well, sometimes a big oem doesn't make a truck that quite exactly fits your job or your site
mircea_popescu: it bumped lots lol.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Those things are fun. Like a morbidly obese golf cart.
mircea_popescu: apt
BingoBoingo: Even then, negative turning radius
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704883 << i had nfi the *humanist crowd was large enough to have factions.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 12:57 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704716 << i don't think it matters which faction of ultra rationalist posthumanists you belong to. either way the nature of your misunderstanding of tmsr take certain predictable shape, and so are your interests, etc. nobody thinks that you literally suck yudkowsky's cock, but personally i don't even care.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704886 << my understanding of " a mentat from dune" was "a guy who takes a lot of showers", rather than what i discovered later was the general us view on the matter, "guy who does lots of xword puzzles". i have nfi where that typically 80s idea "xword puzzles make you smart" came from.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 13:24 phf: but i think it was cool as a kind of roleplay toy "learn all these tricks and you'll be just like a mentat from dune"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever read 'dune' ?
mircea_popescu: yes, i did read the original coupla books, as a 15yo boy.
mircea_popescu: i did not read the sequels.
asciilifeform: they were rubbish
mircea_popescu: i was busy with girls by then.
asciilifeform: original was entertaining. mentat was a sort of artisan, humancalculator-rationator.
mircea_popescu: yes, but in a mystical rather than artisanal sense
asciilifeform: ( a more refined variant of the real-life 19th c profession of 'calculator' )
mircea_popescu: ie, like a very beautiful girl ; not like a very well trained $sport boy.
asciilifeform: in the b00k, it was described that they were selected & trained, and somewhat rare ( i.e. if yours got killed, it was an expensive problem , to replace )
mircea_popescu: right. which is why in my mind it's represented as a sort of you know, moon. "you can't reboot the machine without knowing what it's doing"
mircea_popescu: you can't train into being moon ; and if you are moon you can train while playing civ or golden axe. i know i did.
asciilifeform: herbert does not say ~how~ they got trained.
asciilifeform: much of the appeal of the b00k, imho, was that it left such detail to imagination.
asciilifeform: as soon as he started shitting out sequels where the details filled in -- permanent ruin.
mircea_popescu: indeed. and much of the result is that it creates different notions in different people.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: but you're very much correct, and yes, the #1 skill of mp-writer is exactly "do not specify".
mircea_popescu: it's plain to notice, too, all the fanfic porn on literotica or whatever always has these stat cards, "she was so and so and tits like that and the other".
mircea_popescu: that ain't literature anymore than memory-trained monkey is thinker.
mircea_popescu: i think the later author (iirc the sequels weren't written by the original, but some son or inheritor at any rate) suffered very much from the equalizing stupidity (ie, unaware of differences, thinking self equivalent to anyone) who then imagined "what people want" is "to have blanks filled in" and produced very much http://trilema.com/2017/and-dont-go-around-upgrading-the-testaments-either/#selection-67.187-67.188
asciilifeform: a few of them were , sadly, by herbert
asciilifeform: rest -- iirc by son
mircea_popescu: ah ok
asciilifeform: but the observation stands.
asciilifeform: orig b00k rocked because left much to imagination.
asciilifeform: this is an extremely common thing.
mircea_popescu: goes right back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704371 ; it's very easy as an author to write great books -- write books that only appeal to the intelligent and get a free ride on your reader's backs.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:35 mircea_popescu: because the political power is a super-2 exponential on smarts, whereas cost is a logarithmic on stupidity, it's very easy to be powerful hanging out with smart people. almost as easy as it is to go bankrupt hanging out with many people.
asciilifeform: how all - afaik - good sf -- worked. ( notice, past tense.. )
mircea_popescu: kinda why literature was a thing in 1700 france ; was not a thing in 1900s us.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
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asciilifeform: http://gnusha.org/logs/2017-08-29.log << lulzy, i had nfi adlai wanted to work pr for us!111
mircea_popescu: eh.
asciilifeform: lol, 01:53 < fenn> somehow i knew both these names and never put it together
asciilifeform: this is what, the 5th d00d.
mircea_popescu: hurr. SUPERFICIALITY.
mircea_popescu: they get trained by tv and candy crush to be as superficial as possible because it reduces production costs significantly.
asciilifeform: trained?
asciilifeform: wolf in the forest, also trained?
mircea_popescu: THEN they keep biting the steel girder in any real interaction, because guess what, if you're not watching tv the conventions of tv world aren't enforceable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to a large degree yes.
mircea_popescu: you know you can have wolf pups that don'\t attack the farm animals ?
asciilifeform: you can have tiger that also dun attack. so long as he's fed. and in good mood. neh?
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: a recall the gazelle and cheetahs scenes ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: such adorbs.
asciilifeform: 01:26 < adlai> hint: try finding the 2nd factor
asciilifeform: 01:28 < fenn> i don't know how to do that and not interested in learning right now
asciilifeform: ^ summarizes.
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: dude this possibly takes the cake. i mean the previous contender was what, something in basic physics. but this is...
mircea_popescu: wtf transfuckinghumanism! there's all this basic humanism stuff to be still mastered!
asciilifeform: very easy to kneel to the majesty of nsa, when you skipped kindergarten and have nfi how to find q given a p...
BingoBoingo: lol
asciilifeform: hey, recall, g_l's 'fuck off with your old stolid newton, i will make UNIFIED THEORY!'
mircea_popescu: a speaking of which asciilifeform i was meaning to ask, seeing how they keep popping in pairs : how many times as a % of cases is that when we pop a modulus we pop it for BOTH p and q ?
mircea_popescu: and further, how many are the same factors ? because it's starting to occur to me we might be able to find an openssh bug through birthdaying the factors it keeps popping up.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mechanism is, if isprime(N / q), then p = N/q , announce(p).
mircea_popescu: and often it announces a p and a p'!
asciilifeform: that's when isprime(N/q)
mircea_popescu: if it's the case that "here's this list of 200 primes which popped 2000 moduli", then we should make a histogram of moduli per prime.
asciilifeform: this case is known as 'properly phucked'
mircea_popescu: yes, and how common is it ?
asciilifeform: about 98%
mircea_popescu: dude.\
mircea_popescu: print teh lists.
mircea_popescu: clearly openssh is broken in primegeneration.
asciilifeform: i've been saving it for end of Framedragger parcel of '16
asciilifeform: but will publish table, along with what else is known re each ( e.g. is debian prime ? etc )
mircea_popescu: ah not yet done. aite, up to you.
asciilifeform: personally i'm interested in the nondebian ones
asciilifeform: ( the debian primes are well-known )
asciilifeform: or rather, how they cameabout
mircea_popescu: anyway, surgeon general's warning : openssh is at this point known by the republic to be cryptographically weak.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
mircea_popescu: hey. gotta say.
asciilifeform: plenty of green field left also. e.g. the freebsd-had-no-rng-for-two-years thing
mircea_popescu: myeah. good thing people are busy "thinking" about things they don't understand instead.
asciilifeform: i can grasp the psychology ( psychiatry..? ) of the california folx. yes, imaginary star drive or immortality nanobot pill is 'moar exciting' than real-life little board with fpga...
asciilifeform: to the fella for whom even his plasma tv is magical artifact
asciilifeform: so he answers 'show me FUN!! things, your work is a snore, nobody's flying to alpha centauri on it'
mircea_popescu: i can't. it's as incomprehensible to me as the girls. a boy that dun wanna fight, really ? exactly like a girl that dun wanna fuck, i look at these like a dog looks at a painted bone. "nice work i guess lol. but..."
asciilifeform: because in his mind he flies to alpha centauri 'just next month'
mircea_popescu: "who squeezed all the life outta ya anyways"
asciilifeform: witness the response, also typical, 'oh hey , you don't fellate lincoln? you must LUVV AYNRAND then'
asciilifeform: the not-left-AND-not-right-can-of-pepsi is not conceptualizable, apparently
mircea_popescu: apparently.
asciilifeform: and the inevitably comorbid 'i know enlish, i Can And Have Read Everything There Was Worth The Reading'
asciilifeform: *engl
mircea_popescu: but in any case, ANOTHER aspect of discipline reveals itself. "work on what mp tells you to work on, not on what you think is fun to work on".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even false, i dunno there's much worth reading in english. i mean one can be done with twain and shakespeare in a summer.
asciilifeform: but find a californirast who does not believe himself master of all culture
mircea_popescu: discoursively or subjectively you mean ?
asciilifeform: either
mircea_popescu: from experience they subjectively think they're "doing pretty good" ; in any case "better than those other deplorables". whereas discoursively he could in principle say anything, chiefly because is not convinced words carry any meaning. as long as he's not saying something verboten like "africans have no culture", it's all up for grabs. "for controversy" which is somehow related to "funding".
asciilifeform: i'm beginning to wrap head around http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699945 + http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699946☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 03:59 mircea_popescu: pro tip : nobody has any incentive to help fucktarded nobody on a stick keep his unearned and unwarranted claim to importance.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 03:59 mircea_popescu: so he bought btc in 2014. his job is to lose it to his betters, nothing else.
asciilifeform: that these people are sitting on coin, is an atrocity, and the sooner corrected -- the better
mircea_popescu: back in 2014 the idea was that they are (and in fact they were, mostly by accident). it's been generally washed out of them by now.
asciilifeform: i can't comment, having not even a faint clue
mircea_popescu: anyway. it is a plain example of "bitcoin corrupts" at work.
mircea_popescu: very much a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687603☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 19:44 mircea_popescu: windows will either compete with tmsr or go away. if it competes -- it becomes. if it goes away -- it becomes. there is no choice and there is no will.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, i'm against violence" "you'll get discounted out of existence in the marketplace" "uhhhh!"
asciilifeform: witness these poor heathens' view of patents, tho
mircea_popescu: which ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704901 and elsewhere☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 14:26 asciilifeform: 19:41 <@fenn> the patent was the excuse everyone used for not sharing their homegrown plasmids
mircea_popescu: i expect this is factual.
asciilifeform: they see usg as part of fabric of the universe
asciilifeform: and its removal , no more conceivable than removal of newton's 3rd law
mircea_popescu: consider http://trilema.com/2017/how-to-take-control-of-your-provider-a-guide-for-whores/#selection-181.0-185.907
mircea_popescu: actually, let's put this in the log.
asciilifeform: somehow can sit and smoke pot, which is punishable by 20 to life in all 50 states ( per usg paper, at least ) but not break patent, oh never!11
mircea_popescu: "Every male you ever run into will be looking for an excuse, to explain to himself, and to "everyone else" as he represents that in his head, why he isn't doing, more, better, etcetera. You happen to have an exceptional answer, and one that he is extremely eager to receive from you. For this reason you are to expect no fundamental problems, it's not like you might run into a male that doesn't want to find himself in the safe,
mircea_popescu: protective confines of your steel gift. They do want to, all of them do. Impediments, such as exist, all come from circumstantial happenstance, you have to be careful not to pinch their delicate skins putting it on -- and mind that for every inch of physical skin males have miles upon miles of mind-skins enveloping them like a far-reaching cocoon. Once on, you'll have to make sure it doesn't rub wrongly, and especially teach
mircea_popescu: the captured male how to behave so it doesn't rub wrongly. Example suffices, he will perhaps protest but certainly learn and definitely change to fit the limit on his penis. It's not like he's not very eager to alter his behaviour so he can maintain that sweet, sweet delicious cage for longer, for as long as possible, forever. Whatever he may say, it's all window-dressing for that simple, fundamental fact -- he's happier neu
mircea_popescu: tered than on his own."
asciilifeform: i suspect that most of the 'golden cage' behaviour is unexamined
asciilifeform: and unconscious
mircea_popescu: by the oject ? but ofcouars.
mircea_popescu: object*
asciilifeform: which is why you end up observing what the 'pill' folx called 'hamstering', when confronting them , rubbing nose in it
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
asciilifeform: !#s rationalization hamster
a111: 2 results for "rationalization hamster", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rationalization%20hamster
mircea_popescu: oh oh.
asciilifeform: or what was it called
asciilifeform: term from heathen world
mircea_popescu: well yes, what's one to do.\
asciilifeform: for psychopathological 'immune reaction' to dissonance
asciilifeform: e.g. 'mp is powerless, SEC left him alone for its own reasons' etc
mircea_popescu: i don't think that really even happened. i mean... WHAT PROOF DO WE HAVE
asciilifeform: or kako's 'shitcoin forks went away on their own, they just didn't feel like winning'
mircea_popescu: lol right.
asciilifeform: 'ethertardium dao evaporated on its own'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704893 << what'd be the alternative to the rationalist without quotes here ? like an existentialist say ? or perhaps an "artist" ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 14:00 phf: but yes i still think that you're a rationalist, without quotes. i don't think you would object to it, i mean, if you go by definition (opinions and actions based on reason and knowledge) rather than "rationalwiki" "rationalist".
asciilifeform: is a man whose sphincter still works, and who does not shit in pants, a 'sphincterist' ?
asciilifeform: does it make sense to proclaim it a 'way of life' ?
asciilifeform: can haz sphincterist komyoonity?
asciilifeform: meetups?
mircea_popescu: ("artist" = choiceless art producer, say like durer. or i suppose originally, zeus, "gotta get this bitch out of my fucking skull")
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea, examining his.
asciilifeform: aite
mircea_popescu: i take it we're all aware how athens (ie, wisdom) was born according to the greeks, yes ?
mircea_popescu: in particular phf what'd be the name for "opinions and actions based on "i don't see anything wroing with it"" ? still rationalist ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704897 << see, the problem is not THAT it's ponyfic ; but that it's bad. there's plenty of demand for good fearmongering (don't stick your tongue in wall socket, son!), the problem is there's no demand for bad fearmongering. it's the quality, not the kind of item, that's the problem.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 14:10 kanzure: phf: that sounds like something else. the lesswrong folx are moron navelgazers. yes it makes sense to "use thinking" but not if the output is just a pile of ponyfic and fearmogering.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704898 << well i was going to read that after the log, but since you put spoilers in there ima go read it first and continue later.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 14:25 asciilifeform just made it through entomological swarmpile http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704882 -- was really sumthing
mircea_popescu: wait, someone bought micrometer wavelength light made ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 12:22 <@fenn> how many lines of code is OCC? <<< see, he is asking the right question. i knew my patience will be dug back out from the hole by the unfolding of events!
mircea_popescu: 12:23 < kanzure> there is a certain argument about not always throwing away legacy code, but i currently forget the exact argument << it was joel writing up netscape implosion.
mircea_popescu: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-never-do-part-i/
mircea_popescu: ahahaha Leibniz patents o lordy.
mircea_popescu: kanzure you are experiencing the following problem : you do ocr on old text, which produces ambiguities that bite you in the ass. yes the string "patent" can be found in medieval and early modern period documents. the item thereby denoted however is not a patent.
kanzure: opencascade notes http://diyhpl.us/wiki/cad/opencascade/
kanzure: ETF progress https://www.bna.com/sec-waits-sidelines-n73014463791/
mircea_popescu: this is one of the main ways in which wiki "education" fails. to understand things you must follow their pedigree not merely attempt to recognize instantaneous shape.
mircea_popescu: the original privateers were created through letters patent ; the meaning of the word there is very much in the vein of monarchical absolutism. it was later co-opted when industrial revolution folk wanted a way to claim transcendence for acts of commerce.
mircea_popescu: kanzure> i wonder if people just signed their work with leibniz's name as a way to get it preserved << your reference points are pythagoras and perhaps
mircea_popescu: !#s bourbaki
a111: 19 results for "bourbaki", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bourbaki
mircea_popescu: 14:43 < kanzure> i was just going through "the list" in my head (i don't really have a list, i'm just making things up that sound important) << ehehehe. this is becoming very alike that seinfeld episode where they had an opposite world and there was an opposte alf named fenn and so on. THE RSMT!!!
asciilifeform: i thought that was catv
phf: nah, catv was dead. this thing is alive
mircea_popescu: well, maybe it should be worrisome the best times were in 2014, but yes, seems alive enough.
mircea_popescu: phf so who is fenn fellow anyway ?
kanzure: http://fennetic.net/
mircea_popescu: kanzure a ty. the reason i ask him is that i know him, you see. like in http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
mircea_popescu: on the basis of his authority (as i understand it) i can decode meaning out of words.
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2017/shitgnomes/ << Daniel P. Barron - Shitgnomes
asciilifeform: http://fennetic.net/bfi/bfi-draft.txt << oh hah, hexapodist.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705282 << i think empiricist, but also perhaps a mystic would be another alternative, i.e. knowledge through divine revelation. i think perhaps also traditionalist, i.e. inherent knowledge☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 19:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704893 << what'd be the alternative to the rationalist without quotes here ? like an existentialist say ? or perhaps an "artist" ?
asciilifeform once enthusiast, long ago
mircea_popescu: ehehehe! " how to make an inexpensive portable CNC milling machine - my Buckminster Fuller Institute contest "hexapod" entry"
mircea_popescu: what nao alfie!
danielpbarron: !!deed http://danielpbarron.com/2017/shitgnomes/4.1.35.asc
asciilifeform: hey, i was cured. ( 'inexpensive' and 'portable' does not go with the mass you need for useful accuracy cutting even aluminum )
shinohai: danielpbarron: it appears this cuntoo mirroe that mod6 spoke of is becoming more and more important.
shinohai: *mirror
mircea_popescu: so basically, either a slut (cock comes through the glory hole, i suck it, what do you want from me) or else a fanatic (allah told me!). otherwise, thinking man has no alternative but to be rationalist ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you were cured. but he's, again, asking the right question.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have 0 monopoly on asking questions.
asciilifeform: incl. right-questions.
mircea_popescu: the ~right~ quesrtions.
mircea_popescu knows of no other qualification for the unknown besides asking the right questions.
kanzure: asciilifeform: you don't need mass
kanzure: asciilifeform: ask fenn
danielpbarron: shinohai, thanks to this latest annoyance i'm a little closer to understanding how such a mirror might work
mircea_popescu: kanzure mind asking him to come over ? i'll rate him anyway on teh basis of what i've seen
asciilifeform: kanzure: nobody cancelled newton's 3rd
asciilifeform: you need mass.
kanzure: he has been summoned
mircea_popescu would like to hear what the man says.
kanzure: tension yadda yadda
kanzure: stewart platforms hexpods etc
kanzure: hexapods, rather.
mircea_popescu: eh, dun ruin his thunder.
kanzure: so touchy in here
asciilifeform: !#s hexapod
a111: 3 results for "hexapod", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hexapod
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mommentum-inertial could work as substitute for mass-inertial as a ready notion. who knows what other cleverness lies silent.
asciilifeform: kanzure: now, here's 1 cnc tool for which you ~don't~ need rigidity -- electrolytic cutting head. was tried in su, and still (!) in production today, but 'industrial' scale. would be interesting to see compact version thereof. ( see old log )
mircea_popescu: he got an electroporing thing, in this vein.
mircea_popescu: acvtual published schematics and errythang.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'electroporation' is unrelated item -- weaken cell membranes with discharge, for plasmid etc work
mircea_popescu: give it more power, it'll cut through other things! :D
asciilifeform: item with (small) cap, controlled 'total coloumb' etc
asciilifeform: standard bio instrument, since 1940s.
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: the 2 are as related as cock is to pencil.
mircea_popescu: these are related.
mircea_popescu: !~google pencil dick
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Urban Dictionary: pencil dick: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3Dpencil%2520dick>; What do people consider to be a pencil dick ? : bigdickproblems: <https://www.reddit.com/r/bigdickproblems/comments/32edi6/what_do_people_consider_to_be_a_pencil_dick/>; pencil dick - Wiktionary: <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pencil_dick>
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't think a thinking man is any kind of ist. i think it's an affect, one could be a rationalist and then he's going to talk about occam and denounce causes, or one can be some kind of mystic, and then he's going to have a particular stance also. i don't think any of this has to do with with any sort of understanding.
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: so the -ists as basically, the filename, whereas the file contents is a pile of heuristics/hacks, work as well as you might expect ?
mircea_popescu: rational.ist ; empir.ist and so on
mircea_popescu: "can't emerge world" "tried ./rational.ist on it ?"
kanzure: lice.btc.calendar.opentimestamps.org
kanzure: ah hell
kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher/
mircea_popescu: kanzure do you actually have any bitcoin ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems like i've read the d00d before, long ago. but can't remember when, and where..
asciilifeform: ( fennetic )
kanzure: bitwhat?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin.
asciilifeform: lol
kanzure: never heard of it http://gnusha.org/logs/2009-01-10.log
mircea_popescu: wouldja mind answering candidly!
kanzure: yes
mircea_popescu: yes but, more than one or 0.dust ?
kanzure: not dust
mircea_popescu: a good for you!
kanzure: january 2009 not early enough for you huh?
mircea_popescu: plenty early. no, my expectations was you're stuck with dust, and i was going to offer you one so you have one.
mircea_popescu: want it anyway ?
kanzure: sure why not
mircea_popescu: nice work danielpbarron ; shows the value of keeping proper tapes huh.
mircea_popescu: kanzure post an addy.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: they'll keep breaking it for so long as physically possible.
mircea_popescu: well, he made it less possible.
asciilifeform: aha
shinohai: !~later tell mats http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/zZ9Ny/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: yeah if they break something else i'll just dig it out of one of my working machines and apply the same treatment
kanzure: pm'd an address
mircea_popescu: uh i dun get pms. post it, what, it's secret ?
shinohai: Maybe he is trying to avoid Barry Shillbert's secret Bitcoin police
kanzure: you don't get pm's?
mircea_popescu: so use a shillbert webwallet as a proxy
mircea_popescu: kanzure nope.
kanzure: 1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh
mircea_popescu: i just get a "x might want to be upped" notification, that's it.
mircea_popescu: !!pay 1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh 1
mircea_popescu: kanzure you'll have it in a few hours.
kanzure: sure is a strange way to do coinjoin
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
kanzure: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321228.0
kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-confidential-transactions/
kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/sf-bitcoin-meetup/2016-11-21-mimblewimble/
kanzure: https://github.com/chris-belcher/joinmarket
kanzure: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User:Gmaxwell/state_of_coinjoin
kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/Join%20me%20on%20a%20market%20for%20anonymity%20-%20joinmarket%20-%202016.pdf
mircea_popescu: um. i feel liek teh bourgeois gentleman over here.
mircea_popescu: had no idea i was doing any of that.
kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/joinmarket/
kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/tumblebit/
kanzure: https://medium.com/@nopara73/tumblebit-vs-coinjoin-15e5a7d58e3
asciilifeform: ahahahahahaha
kanzure: i am bookmarks and so can you
mircea_popescu: lol. one should really be enough.
mircea_popescu: !!gettrust gmaxwell
deedbot: L1: -10, L2: 8 by 16 connections.
shinohai: kek
kanzure: how then would i maintain my reputation of overkill otherwise?
mircea_popescu: i wasn't aware you had a such.
kanzure: "let's read all of wikipedia"
mircea_popescu: wikipedia is for tards. you know this do you ?
kanzure: ohh now you tell me
asciilifeform: as is 'tumblers', mimble-anythings, etc
kanzure: mumble whats?
mircea_popescu: as i told the girl saturday, "i'll tell you when you ask!"
asciilifeform: kanzure: i read the 'wizards' heathen logz, every few month, and know what it is that seems to occupy you lot
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, is thwe current trilema header my dorkiest pic ever or what.
shinohai: mircea_popescu looks like he would operate BTC speakeasy in that pic
mircea_popescu: it's actually my old place in costa rica, 15 years ago or so.
mircea_popescu: looked better inside.
mircea_popescu: (apartments, one above, one below. the one below had an electrically leaky stove, so i bought metalware and punished girlies had to make coffee on it. ZAP ZAP ZAP.)
shinohai: lolz
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705403 << I didn't expect it to be used direct to address anyway, but rather to just change hands, then the other guy has to ask for a withdrawal☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 20:04 mircea_popescu: !!pay 1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh 1
mircea_popescu: "please, may i wear high heels ???"
mircea_popescu: trinque ah, good i said something then. any strong reason for this ?
trinque: not automating transactions going out.
mircea_popescu: dun has to be automated.
mircea_popescu: (honestly i'd prefer it if it weren't)
trinque: it 100% wont be.
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: but, whether it got put there by address owner or not, still same queue same process, so whatdiff does it make.
trinque: nah, same page now.
trinque: that works.
mircea_popescu: cool.
shinohai: !!rob 1`000
shinohai: :D
mircea_popescu: <@fenn> you could have a dialysis membrane in a microfluidic chip i guess << speaking of vaguely this : the great success of the new microflora research chips was so great it even made it to qntra! seems an eminently crowd-source-able item, in a useful way at that.
mircea_popescu: wtf is your excuse not running around planting chips in your back yards to find the next teixobactin ?
mircea_popescu: anyone with a diy interest in microbiology should be doing precisely that at least fucking once, these days.
mircea_popescu: shinohai teh silbert police is on to you nao.
shinohai: Rats
shinohai: I hear they lock you in a room and force you to read coindesk articles all day.
asciilifeform: teixobactin << lulzy episode : 100% taxpayer-funded, yet 100% patented and monopolized by $shitcorp
asciilifeform: as is typical in usglandia
mircea_popescu: yawell. usia. recall that article aboput how nobody can keep up with the printing to satisfy the wowow fantasy ?
asciilifeform: patent WO2014089053 .
mircea_popescu: im sure if you pin down anyone enough to ask it's you know "a protective patent" to "protect it" from "the bad guys"
mircea_popescu: like bitcoin.com registration, if anyone recalls those lulz.
mircea_popescu: "we'll... ahem... protect the item... from derp-ass spammers who might want to do... exactly what roger ver is actually doing... in a few years ie today"
asciilifeform: gotta love these folx, 'patent' on item that lived in soil for $fuckknows million year
phf is mildly curious is mp is doing his "once i found a thing, i read the whole archive" thing on 5gb or whatever it is of their log..
mircea_popescu: phf 1mn lines. i am currently trying to discern if i will. i have tools to help me in any case, some of which wetware ( eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704882 ) some of which not.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 10:54 kanzure: mircea_popescu: maybe http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-06-06.log
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705467 << recall the 'linux foundation' ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 20:21 mircea_popescu: "we'll... ahem... protect the item... from derp-ass spammers who might want to do... exactly what roger ver is actually doing... in a few years ie today"
asciilifeform: same thing
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: 'we have to destroy the village, in order to save it'
mircea_popescu: phf but in any case, i ~can~ read a million lines. take me a season, but then again what are seasons for,.
mircea_popescu: past season, i also read a million lines. the machine is going, what you feed it is its problem, but it will be going nevertheless.
kanzure: i was going to pay someone to read logs and write summaries but they chickened out
kanzure: (why is everyone so lazy)
mircea_popescu: same thing here.
mircea_popescu: 1704882 << line count, conveniently provided by phf. closing in on 2 mn.
shinohai: I tried the whole "find x in teh logz" thing for someone once, though it was not a matter of being lazy, it was more of my time is worth more than pennies to do so.
mircea_popescu: shinohai only way to run this is as a training exercise, really.
mircea_popescu: shakespeare is similarily not paying the folk writing shakespeare write-ups. they do it to learn.
kanzure: alright well why was someone paying you pennies? do you suck at negotiation or something?
shinohai: Why, when 100 monkeys on typewriters can do same.
mircea_popescu: !~calc 1704882 * 0.01 / 4379.74969838
shinohai: Look out mp >>> https://twitter.com/FloydMayweather/status/900459256784334851
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1704882 * 0.01 / 4379.74969838 = 3.8926471086478043
phf: since we added ancient logs into the negative numbers, the actual count is not represented by current max id
mircea_popescu: ONE penny comes to almost 4btc over the logs.
phf: ls
mircea_popescu: phf what's max - ?
phf: err
shinohai: Your math is better lel
phf: 2031466
mircea_popescu: wowza.
mircea_popescu: !~calc 2031466 + 1704882
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2031466 + 1704882 = 3736348
mircea_popescu: holy shit, 0 ad is already midway into the past ? seems like only yesterday...
phf: err, i misread, that was the total number
mircea_popescu: ah ah ok, makes more sense.
mircea_popescu: shinohai do they all wear that kinda suit ? could be worth a lotta lulz.
shinohai: Must be the new generation of pantsuit! >.>
mircea_popescu: why would an athlete try to wear skinny suits anyways. not for them.
mircea_popescu: looks like the dressed cat in that tom and jerry cartoon.
shinohai: I think the pattern looks like the chalk lines on the cloth when you go to get *fitted* for a suit
mircea_popescu: 14:55 < kanzure_> http://bitcoin.org/ yet another p2p currency piece of crap (jan 1 2009).
kanzure: keep reading. same day i wrote my dad's eulogy.
mircea_popescu: oh /
kanzure: (jan 10 2009 btw)
mircea_popescu: a right.
mircea_popescu: kanzure this jan 2009 log is entertaining. i take it the ongoing decade has not resulted in any "some random company needs us to design them some manufacturing assembly equipment. We say we'll do it cheaper (or whatever), we license it all open source and so on, make our money from it, and apply it to what we need to get done in our tech-base of free stuff anyway."
mircea_popescu: not that the stateemnt diverges from common wisdom at the time.
kanzure: "common wisdom"
mircea_popescu: right.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> shinohai do they all wear that kinda suit ? could be worth a lotta lulz. << It's a black thing
mircea_popescu: i dunno, the irish guy looked just as ridoinculous.
BingoBoingo: Well, the irish are blacker still
mircea_popescu: this, shockingly, is actually a point.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Mayweather's communion with civilization proceeds exactly to the bounds of mastering his vocation and nearly half an inch further.
mircea_popescu: seems respectable to me.
BingoBoingo: Well, a half inch is an eternity
asciilifeform tried to read link, returned with mental eggog
mircea_popescu: which of the numerous links we've been blessed with was this ?
asciilifeform: mayweather
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works.
asciilifeform: clearly
mircea_popescu: but let me illustrate : have you noticed how when under space pressure and trying to introduce a tech item, whatever it may be, the ONE BIT that's ABSOLUTELY NEVER omitted is the name ?
mircea_popescu: screenwriter for one of the hbo shows may have all of 11 syllables to explain whatever-it-is, and by god five or six will go to "REALITYWINNER" equivalent.
mircea_popescu: living in "a brand-driven society" means something. this is what it means.
asciilifeform: well yes, just like the hilt is never omitted on knife
mircea_popescu: not so. just like "and she is pretty and smart" is never omitterd in mary-sue fiction.
asciilifeform: how are the chumps to find your identical-to-1,001-other-turds, without remembering $magicword.
mircea_popescu: a NAME is not required for reference.
mircea_popescu: i can speak of Whatshername Horseface all the time. people know who i mean.
mircea_popescu: well, my girls do, at any rate.
asciilifeform: it is if that's all you got.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: so then : rufus cryptoweather or whatever his name was.
mircea_popescu: any questions ?
asciilifeform: nope
mircea_popescu: my work here is done. back to otherlogs then!
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4590.0, vol: 11922.02855846 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4597.0, vol: 32265.50350515 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4581.201, vol: 5312.13684147 | Volume-weighted last average: 4593.61855011
BingoBoingo: OMG CRASHING!!!
asciilifeform: do we have a shitcoin ticker yet ?
trinque: bleh which one would it be, even?
mircea_popescu: no and we don't want one.
asciilifeform: !~forkolade
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Error: "forkolade" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: hey we have a usd ticker!111!
mircea_popescu: temporarily.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of < kanzure> there is a certain amount of equipment you need before you can do useful biology things << hey kanzure do you have children ?
jhvh1: Current Roger Ver Coin price is: 17832540.74
mircea_popescu: !!up gribble
deedbot: gribble voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: O.o
mircea_popescu: ;;shoot shinohai
gribble: Error: "shoot" is not a valid command.
shinohai: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
kanzure: mircea_popescu: child labor is only as good as the children
mircea_popescu: yes, but do you have any ?
kanzure: not to my knowledge
mircea_popescu: because you don't want any or because there's a certain amount of equipment you need before you can have children ?
kanzure: which goal is this again?
kanzure: i'm confused because it sounds like a goal
mircea_popescu: there's no goal.
kanzure: oh if you say so
mircea_popescu: i'm merely pointing out to you that no, you don't.
mircea_popescu: heck, i met this chick in cairo, she lived inside a perfectly empty hole in the ground most us solitary inmates wouldn't deem fit as a prison. she had six children.
kanzure: so do lots of other people
mircea_popescu: this notion that "if i pile up enough blue items to make a bower i'll thereby be a bower-biologist and science will frlow from me" is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: kids do it all the time, "i have a professional tennis racquet, just like agassi". it's ok for a 15yo.
asciilifeform reads the heathenl0gz, grunts with frustration that there is no ready place to... reply to anything
kanzure: alf doesn't know about /join
mircea_popescu: how not ? it's a thing, silly name but i spoke it yest. lessee
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704664☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 03:10 mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, * Topic for ##hplusroadmap is: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by lobsters everywhere, banned by the Federal Death Administration (5 times)
mircea_popescu: kanzure a, whjat's that 5 times about ?
kanzure: turns out the fda regulates a lot of things
asciilifeform: kanzure: join doesn't put the people who were talking, magically back, and you folx don't appear to have a culture of linking to logz (or mechanism for handily pointing at individual lines)
kanzure: wheelchairs, can't build a wheelchair according to 'em
mircea_popescu: a there is that.
kanzure: software too
mircea_popescu: kanzure so it's just implicit ? why 5 rather than 48 ?
kanzure: ultrasound imaging requires a prescription in the usistan (sorry i forget your pet name)
kanzure: i think there was an actual counter at some point
mircea_popescu: that works
mircea_popescu: yes, but actual counter based on what.
asciilifeform: hey, even hiv test is illegal in idjotland 'unless by licensed agent'
mircea_popescu: actually, paternity testing is illegal in france, EVEN IF DONE IN SPAIN
kanzure: ok i think you would be more interested in the time that the fbi weapons of mass destruction division assigned special agents to us
asciilifeform: 'oh noez, tester might decide to eat his pistol'
mircea_popescu: one of the lulzier bits of french law.
mircea_popescu: kanzure ok, tell me about that time.
kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/
mircea_popescu: o hey, at least its not a pdf.
kanzure: ttp://web.archive.org/web/20080708235522/http://www.fbi.gov/hq/nsb/wmd/images/hrtppe.jpg
kanzure: http://web.archive.org/web/20080708235522/http://www.fbi.gov/hq/nsb/wmd/images/hrtppe.jpg
kanzure: however, the agents did not show up like that, and they were very disappointing
mircea_popescu: kanzure i can't discern much from this wall of links. can i have a three sentence summary ?
kanzure: fbi was concerned that we were bioterrorists
kanzure: so for at least a ~year many of us had regular "coffee meetings" with local area special agent
mircea_popescu: ahaha
mircea_popescu: did they buy ?
kanzure: eventually they realized we were harmless and only going to kill the nonbelievers
mircea_popescu: "Weclome to the conference. I am the local WMD coordinator for the SF division. I've been working with the biocurious folks in SV. Welcome to SF, you guys have a great time, the weather is fantastic." in other lulz.
mircea_popescu: WE WILL FLY DESK TO THE MOONS!
asciilifeform: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/meg-flanagan-department-of-state/ << lol, complete with clitler ref
asciilifeform: 'We had Secretary Clinton appear, and she's an international celebrity. We were showing that this is important to the US. '
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why the pantsuit actually thouight clinton is a star or at least star material.
mircea_popescu: but they did. one of our time's anthropo-mysteries.
asciilifeform: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/intro/ >> 'We're not interested in silencing or stopping science. We're interested in stopping the trends on the negative side. We're here to support science. '
mircea_popescu: loller.
asciilifeform: didjaknow!
mircea_popescu: what was it, hate facts, negative science, and other things that ruined the clinton dream.
asciilifeform: !#s fact toxic
a111: 2 results for "fact toxic", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fact%20toxic
gribble: Error: "#s" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: !!down gribble
deedbot: accepted: 1
asciilifeform: 'We recognize that there are people out there that want to cause harm to the US' interests.' << who could possibly?!111
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: 'the goal of this gathering is to "foster the positive relationship among FBI, DIYbio, amateur biology, and local stakeholder communities to ensure safe conduct in science." '
asciilifeform: could go on, but why.
mircea_popescu: hey, they gotta try.
asciilifeform: 'For example, National Institutes of Health database which has a great list of compounds and sequences that are suspect, it's wonderful to do searches against it. But you're not allowed to do them during the business day because it puts too much pressure on their servers, so you're supposed to do that after hours.' << ahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: "If you are using city water, filter it. If you are using a closed circuit flow system, check the water and change it every six weeks or so, or drop a few drops of Algaecide in the recirculator. Better yet, use diluted Dow Frost. << howling shits, who uses anything but prop glycol for this ?! srsly, water ? you spring 20 bux for your car, but want the laser free ?
asciilifeform: even better,
asciilifeform: 'I would consider it irresponsible to sell a potentially dangerous composition of matter to someone who you don't know or haven't met. It's just bad judgement. Most of the people on that list are either folks with a history of exclusion for various fraudalent activities, either domestically or internationally, or people who might potentially being terrorists kinda environment, or folks who have published in North Korea, or who have p
asciilifeform: ublished work on bioterrorism stuff. Bonafide researchers in academic institutions are (aren't?) on the list. We've only had one circumstance where we had someone we chose not to sell to, and we referred to the FBI in 10 years of business. It's not a huge practical issue, but it doesn't take a lot of mistakes.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i use propylene glycol.
asciilifeform: ( about 6 litres, recirculating )
mircea_popescu: i don't know anyone who doesn't.
mircea_popescu: it's just batshit insane, really, tap water ?
asciilifeform: 'The question was asked if you guys would sell.. if you guys ordered with a DIY scientist, not affiliated with an academic lab, someone said- not DNA2.0- or IDT.. yeah, maybe it was IDT. I'm not remembering that because, if you are a bonafide science doing bonafide work. What does that mean? It means you're not on the exclusion list, and it means you're not a bad actor....'
asciilifeform: KYC!!!111
mircea_popescu: obviously.
mircea_popescu: "how to WoT without wotting!!!1"
asciilifeform: inca-startopology-wotting.
mircea_popescu: aha
BingoBoingo: <kanzure> fbi was concerned that we were bioterrorists << Eh, back in summer 2014-ish FBI and Department of Treasury knocked on my door. I did the sane thing and blogged it.
BingoBoingo: !#s toxic fact
a111: 4 results for "toxic fact", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=toxic%20fact
BingoBoingo: kanzure: See http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/
mircea_popescu: <@fenn> just dumping this rare element overboard for no reason other than we don't feel like keeping it anymore << speaking of He, it's pretty much the only material in which usg has a monopoly. china and to some degree russia own the rare earths/heavy metals, but teh u7s got teh heliumz.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well for some defintions thereof. They seem rather insistent on selling it off.
asciilifeform: aaaand they've blown it ~all on neutron detectors.
mircea_popescu: yes well.
asciilifeform: and most of that -- vented away.
mircea_popescu: i said "Crack whore has a couch" not "crack whore will never light her couch on fire"
asciilifeform: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/chris-anderson-syncberc/ >> possible winner:
BingoBoingo: That fire already seems to have been lit
asciilifeform: 'But I am more concerned about drugs, like methamphetamine. I think meth might be easy to synthesize at biologically active quantities with existing technologies. Why is this a problem? I'm not into drugs myself, but there are dangers. They are probably going to do it with a $40 yogurt maker, you do the engineering in a yeast... then there's a problem. This is someone who .. thoroughly deskilled at this point. It takes no effort to m
asciilifeform: ake this methcoli. Maybe she thinks it's about French culture, and then it grows in her intestines, and she gets either really high or really dead. This is a rusty nails situation. There is a risk that is not intuitively related to what you were doing. This is what scares me. Somehow you have to mitigate that risk. There's also the drug thing with geopolitical consequences of being able to make drugs easily. Right now, why do we have
asciilifeform: all this international trade of drugs? You can't make any of the drugs we have right now in a clandestine way. You have to have giant tanks, or fields of poppeye. I have no idea what the effects of this are, but I think they are probably really big.'
asciilifeform: ^ 'professor'
mircea_popescu: let's go back to the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-31#1691201 lulz for a moment here.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-31 18:04 mircea_popescu: aka errowind "noman TEK".
BingoBoingo: lol, most US meth anymore seems to be made in used soda bottles
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wouldja argue with a Berkeley Professor ?!111
asciilifeform: annointed by Her Putrid Cuntiferous Majesty
mircea_popescu: total clueless dork.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes!
mircea_popescu: you know, it started with this 80s "judges are not to wear their capes in kid court lest the implicit, intended majesty of office scares children". then the "slightly aloof" but totalluy "genius" uni professor occured in the 90s. he spoke like a dork deliberately.
BingoBoingo: How many admitted addicts does Berkeley professor know.
mircea_popescu: it took hold, and now they are actually dorks.
mircea_popescu: not a fucking clue, just bumbling idiots barely a shade above the herd they supposedly shepherd through "Science!!"
asciilifeform: couplea shades ~below~. you couldn't stay in business as a vacuum repairman with this type of empty skullcase.
mircea_popescu: all the better that nobody wants their vacuums repaired.
asciilifeform repairs...
mircea_popescu: this is the lulzy dark side of MAGA : supposed it worked, and suppose there were all these jobs... and supposed teh beoble applied, and they were turned down for sucking.
mircea_popescu: WHAT NAO
BingoBoingo: Biodiesel!
asciilifeform: +soap
mircea_popescu: "as it is now, you can't have any jobs because there aren't any. but if there were some, you still couldn't have any, this time for being the suck."
mircea_popescu: "oh mp, this neatly explains how there came to be no jobs in the first place!"
asciilifeform: if we can process million-year animal and vegetable matter, we can process ameritards.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's still oil in the soil nobod ycould be arsed to process. to this day!
asciilifeform: which is why don't wait for'em to sink 1km down!1111
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone can be arsed to process them.
asciilifeform: not yet, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: < kanzure> jrayhawk_: would you be willing to host a microscope? responsibilities would include keeping it plugged in and internet connected. also there would be an irc bot that controls where it looks. you'd also be pestered to load samples periodically. << did this 2014 idea ever get implemented ?
kanzure: nmz787 took an electron microscope. the gigascope never materialized though.
asciilifeform: 'What about if we just block all possible ways to do this? We could block the production of any of these dangerous things? We could have someone decide. But it would also block legit things, and people will work around it. Another thing we could do- we plan to introduce blocks of some sort, but we don't have a plan for how those blocks will work. '
mircea_popescu: so where can i see today's slides ?
kanzure: it's not implemented
mircea_popescu: kay.
kanzure: give me more minions
mircea_popescu: you think that's how it works ?!
kanzure: conjuring? yeah
kanzure: sometimes brainwashing. but yes.
mircea_popescu: i'd say that explains it then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall that time when somebody wrote in and asked mircea_popescu to 'lend him a gurl' ?
mircea_popescu: no ?
asciilifeform: 'one you aren't using'
asciilifeform: it was in a trilema
mircea_popescu: IT IS EVERY TIME
mircea_popescu: the only time they don't dare is when the girl is right there and she's taller than them and as the song went, "modelul nou de fata s-ar putea sa-l bata"
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, yes, daily.
asciilifeform: 'oh and can i borrow the deathray too!'
mircea_popescu: and the eye glasses and you know.
kanzure: death rays ain't what they used to be
phf: if i only i had more men to continue doing nothing with me
mircea_popescu: neither the future is what it used to be.
asciilifeform: aaactually deathray is one of the few items that stayed quite the same since 1890.
asciilifeform: !#s deathray plot
a111: 4 results for "deathray plot", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=deathray%20plot
phf: why i'd be the next genghis khan in my mind by now
asciilifeform: phf: can't permit a doingnothers-gap!11
mircea_popescu: phf what'd you have him do ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> aaactually deathray is one of the few items that stayed quite the same since 1890. << Nah, now they jacket the mass of lead atoms with a different metal
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo bullet may have a waveform associated with it, but it's trivial!
BingoBoingo: LOL
mircea_popescu: so not a proper ray!
asciilifeform: 'GMO is not allowed unelss you have a certified lab. The chief of the fire department institute, it's called CDDBTK (what?), but we have a positive dialog about when to file they will give us permission apparently to do GMO work. '
mircea_popescu: < kanzure> also it's because i feel ashamed for not having thousands of hours of microscopy video already << i hope shame intensifies. but in any case : why the fuck wouldf you make it video.
kanzure: you prefer individual jpegs?
mircea_popescu: yes.
kanzure: elaborate
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course it's not a 'proper' ray! It's a DEATH ray! No reason to be polite
asciilifeform: ic dies don't move.
kanzure: but pokemon do
kanzure: (context: https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal )
asciilifeform: devils move , at room temp, but that's why you crystallography'em
mircea_popescu: kanzure the overhead of movement is 90% + of the cost you incur ; and 1% or less of the point of interest. microscopy is supposed to be gifs. and correctly colorized so as to allow me to get back the electron microscope original.
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean animated gifs, i mean paletted.)
kanzure: microscopy is supposed to be gifs? next you're going to tell me webm
kanzure: oh.
mircea_popescu: you don't want the "color levels" nonsense of bitmap/jpeg family. you want the gif palette, and a clearly explicit mapping to the electron microscope output.
mircea_popescu: this way you actually have a de facto lossless, and rather useful, microscopy remote format.
mircea_popescu: (likbez : the result of microscopy is a set, of levels, that are not numbers in the proper sense. consequently you wish to see a list of them, but can not do implicit color conversions such as blue+yellow = green, because color #45 the microscope saw has nothing to do with #65 or #72)
asciilifeform: 'FBI question, not biocurious... there's 30k or 40k people getting PhDs in biology, and 100s of people in amateur biology. Why is the FBI focused on the amateur side, and such a higher risk or higher threat from people coming out of the more traditional sciences? Nathan: Well, we're not a one trick pony. We have a lot of assets dedicated to academic biosecurity outreach. We have established such a great relationship with DIYbio from
asciilifeform: the beginning, we wish to continue the conversation and use this as an exchange of information, so I would say that amateur biology on the stage from the FBI's perspective should not be perceived as us taking the community seriously from a threat or security perspective, these are the whitehats in this room. It's our goal that we operate safely and securely to identify those blackhats if they are out there. .... we're from DNA 2.0. W
asciilifeform: e're engaged with the FBI, proportionally as the FBI engages in the amateur community. '
asciilifeform: hey hey mircea_popescu , do you remember back when fbi/nsa 'engaged with' the 'cryptographer komyoonity' ?
asciilifeform: and what the result was ?
mircea_popescu: yes. and what a lulz that was.
mircea_popescu: "Why is the FBI focused on the amateur side, and such a higher risk or higher threat from people coming out of the more traditional sciences?" << because people coming from "traditional" are already neutered.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
mircea_popescu: you know they're not going to do anything worth the mention as part of the definition.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform lives next to a large reservation for these creatures. lab that makes usg-approved, 'law-abiding' drones; ic fab which makes safely-useless rubbish; electron microscope where asciilifeform is not invited within cannon's breadth, even for money; etc
asciilifeform: lately asciilifeform cannot even use the library catalogue. copyrights, you see. 'students only'
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: so enroll, what.
asciilifeform: i used to do just that
asciilifeform: got tired of feeding the scambeast.
mircea_popescu: ah. so then proper statement is, "alf has no use for them"
asciilifeform: then bought scamola 'life membership' , which retro-revoked ~all useful features recently
mircea_popescu: doh.
mircea_popescu: sue them ?
BingoBoingo: ^
mircea_popescu: might be entertaining.
asciilifeform: right after i sue microshit
asciilifeform: and monsanto
mircea_popescu: up to you.
BingoBoingo got a speeding ticket earlier this month. In ~two weeks there is a hearing on motions and discovery
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usgistic 'memberships' ( and this case was no exception ) routinely contain a 'we can do WHATEVER the fuck we feel like, incl. throw you out by the ears' clause.
asciilifeform: and 'arbitration clause'.
mircea_popescu: does yours ?
asciilifeform: 'dun like it -- dun use'
asciilifeform: sure did.
mircea_popescu: arbitration is not necessarily bad.
mircea_popescu: anmyway, on the strength of what you presented you got a few k's worth of go away money there.
mircea_popescu: perhaps not worth picking up, your call.
BingoBoingo: Anyways arbitration process is rarely an automatic "fuck you", have to pursue it
mircea_popescu: there's no automatic fuck yous.
phf: mircea_popescu: i actually think we had a thread. activity is either happening, and thus further cultivated (i.e. doers encouraged, talkers are shed, whatever the method), or else there's nothing happening at all. in a sense that you can't draw your pistol faster than your draw speed, so there's nothing really to worry about. i ~suspect~ that there's just no effective culling happening
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> there's no automatic fuck yous. << Penis in butt?
BingoBoingo: Pantsuit party badge?
mircea_popescu: gotta purse it!
mircea_popescu: phf i perceive he's trying. doesn't know how is separate issue.
asciilifeform: 8-16 : 16:04 < kanzure> people are extremely bad at politics. it's off-topic. banhammerworthy.
asciilifeform: 16:04 < cluckj> technology is politics made concrete *flees*
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i saw something similar re "philosophy". so let's ask again, you know, "Why is the FBI not focused on the soup"
mircea_popescu: anyway. people are way the fuck worse at science than they are at politics ; and women ESPECIALLY so. but the general population sucking is not a reason to ignore the field.
mircea_popescu: heck, people are terrifyingly bad at fucking, also.
kanzure: it's reason to shut them up
mircea_popescu: < kanzure> well who's at the top then << i am, aren't i.
phf: asciilifeform: speaking of doing things with limited resources. fyi i'm in zeptobar slav land with an ivory chip.
mircea_popescu: o hey.
asciilifeform: phf: neato. fwiw my ivory-trading d00d seems to have cancelled
asciilifeform: ( might reappear )
shinohai: Actual item from newsfeed: "How a leader can move forward without consensus"
mircea_popescu: "fuck you guyse, you're going home" ?
shinohai: That would have been how *I* wrote it
phf: asciilifeform: he fucked up his scheduling, but afaik he's still comming to dc in november.
asciilifeform: he mentioned something about a funeral. ( in 2 month from now ! i've nfi )
asciilifeform: i'd still trade with him, moar ivories, merrier
asciilifeform: ( almost guarantee that i'll fry one when pinout finally materializes and it's time to plug'em in )
asciilifeform: 8-15 : 19:47 < kanzure> well it's 12178.3 MHz so... https://blockstream.com/satellite/satellite/#
asciilifeform: ahahahahahaha
asciilifeform: kanzure: wouldja like to defend this atrocity ?
phf: my cousin asked me if i'm "into the whole bitcoin" thing, and mentioned that they now sell houses and stuff using btc. i said i heard about it..
asciilifeform: phf: 'Собрал царь зверей всех животных в лесу на поляне и говорит: - Cегодня мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот маленький. Правильно ежик? - Даааааа-Даааааа! - сказал ежик. - А завтра мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот большой. Правильно бегемот? -
asciilifeform: Ню-ню, - сказал бегемот '
kanzure: why are you learning about that from me
asciilifeform: kanzure: we had the thread here.
asciilifeform: kanzure: but you did not condemn the idiocy, in linked text. so i gotta wonder.
phf: the wisdom of this joke is lost on me. though past few days the joke that's on my mind the most is, the one about shtirlitz: borman i shtirlitz pyut vmeste. borman govorit, "shtirlitz, a ved vi yevrey!" "Net!" govorit shtirlitz "Ya russkii!!!"
asciilifeform: phf: was in re 'have you any btc'
mircea_popescu just counted, trilema (articles only) stands at 10`631`726 words. this excludes my comments there and of course whatever my share of the log's 2mn lines (ie about what, a further 20-30mn words ?) is.
mircea_popescu: actually, why exclude.
mircea_popescu: 1`319`523 words in comments there.
phf: (and in completely unrelated to anything lulz, i just discovered that the very first email in my email archive, june 2006 is an allegro lisp trial license)
mircea_popescu: ha!
asciilifeform has older ones but of 0 possible interest
mircea_popescu: my oldest emails are from the 90s, and were left behind with the 386 pine-running system that housed them. probably of interest, but not really to me.
asciilifeform: 8-7 : 05:59 < fenn> i'm still unsure whether diybio is real
asciilifeform: 06:00 < fenn> it would be great if it were
asciilifeform also thinks 'would be great if it were'
mircea_popescu: hey, i'd be absolutely exstatic if the wetware computing progressed along while we're busy with the hardware ones.
asciilifeform: !#s computers you can't program
a111: 8 results for "computers you can't program", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=computers%20you%20can%27t%20program
mircea_popescu: so far the danger doesn't seem too great though.
asciilifeform: ^ oblig kreinin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was speaking metaphorically! you know, whatever bio-stuff.
asciilifeform: aite. ( there's a still-appreciable population of folx who actually go in for 'wet computer' nonsense. )
asciilifeform: in re 'amateur bio', in 1990s asciilifeform's brother worked with a d00d who spent his entire pay on surplus dna synths, various iron, liked to remark 'real programmers program lifeforms'. sum of this -- afaik -- was 0.
mircea_popescu: certainly. but no, sometyhing, anything. "in the past nine years while the republic choked the remnants of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696459 we at the soviet biolabs have a) deployed ten thousand chips in the back yard resulting in three different bactins ; and have this microscope that spit out 10k gifs.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 10:05 mircea_popescu: (nemtsov, recently assassinated, was, of course, the guy putin beat for to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1687959, yeltsin's chosen successor. ah what a great party it'd have been, for teh pantsuits. clinton forever, herdemocracy herp derp... then gore lost to bush, nemtsov lost to putin, nyc lost to gravity, sads sads sads.)
mircea_popescu: something like that would already be great.
asciilifeform: will remark, that microscopes ain't made of meat, either
asciilifeform: and do not self-reproduce.
asciilifeform: 'junkyard wars' is a valid approach to technology in a decaying world, but has obvious limits.
mircea_popescu: not a matter of reproduce. a matter of produce in the first place!
asciilifeform: can 'produce' almost anything by... being at the right surplus auction.
asciilifeform: the puzzler is how to produce it again.
asciilifeform: ( or repair. )
mircea_popescu: phuctor spits out a few broken keys each day. this accretes, because it's relatively cheaper to do it over time. good luck to anyone trying to replicate it TODAY.
mircea_popescu: let them have a microscope that produces something each day.
asciilifeform: whoever walked off with dulap-I can prolly replicate..
mircea_popescu: also over time.
asciilifeform: tru
mircea_popescu: this is the important point here, be a fucking capitalist already, let time work for you. drop this nonsensical "oh, we can waste resources, inflation wiull make up for it anyway" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: it very well fucking won't.
phf: when bioware i'm always reminded of 1010 and his earth computer http://www.1010.co.uk/org/sketches.html (and similar attempts elsewhere on his site)
asciilifeform: phf: d00d was a mad-genius
asciilifeform: whatever happened to him...
mircea_popescu: and randomly : if you like to barbecue (good for you) do me a favour and buy yourself a bottle of 98% alcohol to use instead of whatever petrochem crap you use for a starter, either that horrid plastic brick thing or else cancerliquid. tyvm.
phf: judging by his output of workshops and performances (as opposed to cool hacks and circuits) i'm pretty sure he's just sitting on nodick grants at this point. what happened to all his kind in merkle europe
mircea_popescu: phf it's the bologna system that fucked it. angela tard about as relevant as the captain of the titanic.
phf: ( previous thread http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-17#1434999 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-03-17 02:50 asciilifeform: phf: i am long-time fan of howse.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: I use olive oil to lite briquettes ..... always seems to work 1000% better
asciilifeform: i made use of his work re sensitive amps. however must note that his original objective was.... listening to earth-devils, or sumthinglikeit
mircea_popescu: oil also works yes.
mircea_popescu: !#s "siliconpr0n.org"
a111: 4 results for "\"siliconpr0n.org\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22siliconpr0n.org%22
mircea_popescu: how about that.
mircea_popescu: dood did an early bfl cutup too. kanzure do you know him ?
phf: i was half expecting to find an ivory there ^
mircea_popescu: ikr?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and randomly : if you like to barbecue (good for you) do me a favour and buy yourself a bottle of 98% alcohol to use instead of whatever petrochem crap you use for a starter, either that horrid plastic brick thing or else cancerliquid. tyvm. << Aluminum "chimney" and newspaper ftw
mircea_popescu: newspaper bad, various chems.
mircea_popescu: both in ink and paper.
BingoBoingo: Vintage newspaper, who's buying the new ones
mircea_popescu: lead.
mircea_popescu: alcohol. pure, clean burn. do it.
BingoBoingo: Ah fine, I'll start keeping the sawdust/bar oil slurry
mircea_popescu: sawdust prolly has glue.
BingoBoingo: Glue from where?
mircea_popescu: from the "recycled wood"
BingoBoingo: What tree dropping limbs around me has glue?
mircea_popescu: if selfmade then yes
BingoBoingo: Chainsaw makes coarse enough sawdust to not fear explosion at sane collected amounts
mircea_popescu has never tried
BingoBoingo: Eh, just assign it to a girl. "learn to chainsaw, report on the experience"
mircea_popescu: nah. ends up with butch arms, who wants that.
kanzure: mircea_popescu: siliconpr0n.org guy? met him in 2007.
mircea_popescu: what's he doing these days ? wants to be part of macivory cutup efforts ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, that's from using arm powered saw. Chainsaw implies 2-stroke powerplant
mircea_popescu: ah i guess there's that.
BingoBoingo: And for most of chainsaw cut workpiece bears weight of saw
kanzure: satellites
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705873 <<< It's an honest-to-God sub-genre: https://www.xvideos.com/tags/amputee☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 22:53 mircea_popescu: nah. ends up with butch arms, who wants that.
mircea_popescu: in other news, #homecmos still exists.
mircea_popescu: logger died sometime in 2014, but anyways.
BingoBoingo: Of possible interest to kanzure, diy bio in the wild https://archive.is/kvQm1
kanzure: 1c8d50a5c99d0c65428e2e1da77430477be436d671ce8203a75ff4ae600ba85e thanks
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
kanzure: your transaction
mircea_popescu: oh oh. sure.
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-482547.txt
mircea_popescu: < kanzure> what's the fastest microcritter and how fast would the travel have to be to keep up (including opencv delays)? << some spore shooting organisms do crazy shit like 20m/s speeds reached within a fraction of a second / the first milimeter of travel.
mircea_popescu: !#s pilobolus
a111: 0 results for "pilobolus", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pilobolus
mircea_popescu: well now there is.
kanzure: there was a recent paper on ballistic weapons in microbes
mircea_popescu: these are mostly faeces dwellers, have to shoot spores out of the way so animals still eat them.
mircea_popescu: in other words : there's no safe assumptions in biology provided by biology, but only by physics. because selection will actually cover anything.
kanzure: ttps://phys.org/news/2017-04-capture-dinoflagellate-video-harpoons-prey.html
kanzure: https://phys.org/news/2017-04-capture-dinoflagellate-video-harpoons-prey.html
kanzure: why can't i type urls right anymore
mircea_popescu: did you wire your broken k to the h ?
kanzure: i used a paperclip
mircea_popescu: windows people.
kanzure: the keyboard sucks anyway, there's like >10 ms delay between keypress recognition
mircea_popescu: get one of alf's.
mircea_popescu: solid steel items
BingoBoingo: carved by C02 lazer from obsidian or something like that
mircea_popescu: <@fenn> why is there no "hardware liberation front" that hacks peoples computers for driver documentation? << 2014.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/08/diy-biology-latest-fad-sweeping-the-republic/ << Qntra - DIY Biology Latest Fad Sweeping The Republic
mircea_popescu: lmao
BingoBoingo: Remember, the problem of Niggeropolis is that those bringing stones to the soup could ever imagine they are a polis https://archive.is/UXsO6
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, it's news for a change. And by crossing 24 hour mark DIY Bio is a thing nao.
trinque: !!unrate kanzure guess I'll see where this goes
BingoBoingo: trinque: How's the weather? I heard the Army Corps of engineers dumped reservoir water into your flood waters
trinque: !!v 45568436D388EB26648C2B3E0F80C665C4B11D01D34A49DF27073CF23C73A359
deedbot: trinque unrated kanzure.
trinque: BingoBoingo: yeah, couple of levees were going to pop; couple did afaik
trinque: I've got some decent pictures of the flooding
mircea_popescu: o hey.
BingoBoingo: Still king of your particular hill?
trinque: picked a good hill, yep
BingoBoingo: No reparations ops like New Orleans had in Katrina?
mircea_popescu: in huston ?!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Even with Texas, Houston is urban. Has urban populations.
mircea_popescu: yes, but of texans.
kanzure: trinque: mighty big of you, thanks.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, anyways Dallas area has a number of resettled Katrina refugees.
mircea_popescu: this would be a good story you know, "the rain girl". take a super hot chick and cast her in a film about how wherever she goes it floods. badly.
mircea_popescu: her bf dies... etc.
BingoBoingo wondering if nostalgia looting drive would overcome, "WTF we in Texas" reality
BingoBoingo: IRL the rain girl's name is monique. She don't really care about her BF and half her baby dadies are in Louisiana's Angola penitentiary.
mircea_popescu: heh
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705921 << most likely rockport will rebuild rockport, corpus, corpus☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 23:37 BingoBoingo: No reparations ops like New Orleans had in Katrina?
trinque: rednecks do that
BingoBoingo: Trinque isn't washing away for the same reason I didn't wash away this spring or winter of 2015. White priviledge.
trinque: houston meanwhile's fine; for all the "ohmygurd unprecedented" in the pantsuit media, the bayou system worked *flawlessly*
mircea_popescu: aha.
BingoBoingo: trinque: "Reparations Ops" are that thing the ubran folk do in Baltimore and the cops did
BingoBoingo: trinque: What is this bayou system, explain in a Qntra submission on how fake the fake news coverage of this rain drop pidder padder is.
trinque: lemme get together some food then sure will.
trinque: brb
BingoBoingo: k
BingoBoingo: ty
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4590.0, vol: 11832.82536188 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4598.9, vol: 32739.34915172 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4593.15, vol: 5536.9975914 | Volume-weighted last average: 4596.16297849
kanzure: mircea_popescu: this may amuse you as well. i have been documenting every conversation i've ever had since 2009, sort of a personal CRM system. i used to do some basic graphing: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog/2009-10-01_to_2010-03-01.png
kanzure: each conversation is documented with lots of tags and other data
mircea_popescu: cool. why'd you stop ?