mircea_popescu: well those nailings being the principal point of this exercise.
mircea_popescu: it'd be tremendously helpful for instance if the trb node had found it within its good graces TO FUCKING PUT TIMESTAMPS IN THE LOG.
ben_vulpes: oh and this doesn't actually render the header in a digestible form. okay, disregard.
ben_vulpes: doubtful that i would find it in the web interface, but possible in the blocks.
mircea_popescu: it's not exactly a common condition, this ; which is both why i said something and why it wasn't noticed. simply no test for ~this~ never seen before nonsense
mircea_popescu: anyway, i plan to restart it sometime tomorrow, if anyone wants further datas it's a fine time to say.
ben_vulpes: previous block hash claims to be 0000000000000000036D2AFA6270C3A58C9A2093C706F0EACA4018E54BF2879C
mircea_popescu: (all those and many others would have popped it for review you realise)
mircea_popescu: nope. it's been working continuously and undisturbed for as long again at least.
mircea_popescu: i guess i'm just going to publish the log altogehter ?
mircea_popescu: "if they can do it to this guy they can do it to most any guy" is the idea here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i'll complain to you, because really there's no need trb logging be THIS RETARDED
mircea_popescu: loads of all that "unable to decode address" things, which is my only vague "there could be something here".
mircea_popescu: ie, you ~could~, theoretically, write such shit into a block that it wedges nodes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im just zipping it and will put it up hang on
shinohai: Whatever the outcome of the node wedge fix is, I need to write all this down as it may be a powerful tool to fuck with enemy in the future.
mircea_popescu: no argument there ; you however may in turn recall that trb is by inheritance an utterly chtonian horror of heap allocation etc.
mircea_popescu: i did turn off the node to be able to push out meaningful bdb item think about it.
mircea_popescu: but before that it returned the plainest normalcy, 37 connected nodes etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform part of the problem is that "00000000000000000136" is not much of a unique id in thefirst place.
mircea_popescu: yeah. and since you mention it, trb-i definitely needs a clarified push-or-pull model because the current system is the soul of unconsidered adhocery
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> ill complain to mod6 also. << im about 18 hours behind on the log, will catch up and will revisit tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: don't worry, it's not an emergency, just general point mod6
mod6: ok, np.. thanks for pointing it out. :]
mircea_popescu: did the orphanage burner ruin trb 's chances of unwedging in this situation ?
mircea_popescu: but in principle whenever given an orphan, old satoshi node would have asked for its height +1
mircea_popescu: yeah. then i can't conceive. it did complain thousands of times of orphans, which implicitly resulted in block being sought.
mircea_popescu: aite, ima go examine beauty in the flesh. will push the thing to web when it's done.
trinque: how is being behind distinguished from a new node coming up?
mircea_popescu: 2b24b2fcfb4ff6cdf7fa845d613d340baec866f285f9a24fb5bd2c8ffd740802ebfd51999af92c68ec117e45a115f85ac0c95bae612a99b7a2f095e66d5f6b02
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no it's clear how it should work ; whether it ends up working that way is open, but hey.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe node lost connectivity for as long as five total minutes, let alone straight minutes ; this however is a very iffy point to prove because hey, ~connectivity~.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem with "request block by height" is that the block height is an ambiguous identifier of actual blocks.
mircea_popescu: now, asking for "friend's notion of five a clock" is not entirely without merit
mircea_popescu: now then ; the reason i even looked at this node is that i was going through a list of potential candidates to put in the new asciilifeform ssh thing.
phf: i'm mostly reacting to "things missing" bit. i otherwise would like to remain ignorant of going ons in the world, until i'm forced into interracting with it again in a few days
phf: that's what i figured
phf: also i can't really go back to the cave. it's the time to buy gifts, and pack shit up.
phf: ##### #### #### ####
phf: Ñинди ÑÑÑи бÑай бÑай
phf: what i'm trying to say is "hindi rusi bhai bhai" :p
phf: in related lulz i got a lot of "soviet union was a good thing" from conversations with indians. a lot of older indians seem to hate americans and miss the good old "bhai bhai" days
phf: it means indians and russians are brothers, and is a slogan for soviet/indian friendship from about 50s to 80s
phf: kruschev said it in bangalore during some '55 visit
phf: bhai is basically hindi for brother, which is bhratri (bratr) in sanskrit, which is same word as russian "brat", english brother, etc.
phf: back then su was pumping resources into india, but according to su economic strategy that mostly resulted in factories and hospitals. now americans are pumping resources, but that mostly results in moar mcdonalds. so naturally men with long memories are testy
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mircea_popescu: phf unsurprising ; indian industrialization happened mostly under the soviet... "influence".
mircea_popescu: so the working theory being, that a) node spent ~weeks trying to digest block 419221 and failing ; b) eventually managed but by then not able to obtain the next one because of reasons discussed except ; c) recently it managed to briefly connect to the magic node it would talk to and get another 100 or so blocks ?
mircea_popescu: it's about my own conclusion. i'd say it belies the need for some fixing.
deedbot: mrottenkolber voiced for 30 minutes.
mrottenkolber: so I'm curious, where do you guys stand politically?
PeterL:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-04#1621939 << I am not sure this would happen, you would still have to verify the blocks - unless you have absolutely no connection to anybody else, in which case you would be equally stuck under current conditions
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-03-04 01:53 asciilifeform: (if you ~only~ requested by height, anyone could put you on 1way voyage to pluto and you'll stay there.)
ben_vulpes: hey hey! i've got a node wired up to dulap.
ben_vulpes: i don't have a master in place yet, but i am also willing to extend wire peerings to my l1
ben_vulpes: it is what, ten minutes of work to set the master up
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: congrats to you, you did all the hard work. tank brigade goes nowhere without the engineers laying down bridgework
ben_vulpes: off the cuff, would an exponential whine backoff suck?
ben_vulpes: well come now, "it didn't connect at minute 1, 2, 4..."
ben_vulpes: aight, aight, i forget that i'm the only person using svlogd
ben_vulpes: this is a desirable situation? that trb logging include timestamps and shit into log that which came from whom?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: rotation and timestamping.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, recall our ancient discussion re "buried nodes" and my reluctance ? dja understand HOW MANY OF THESE THERE ARE, silent unknown failure modes ?
ben_vulpes: subject of trbi, did i miss a way for a parent to cancel a cask ask shy of fibbing?
ben_vulpes: yes, you walked the promises side of the problem exhaustively.
ben_vulpes: and there's no way to get transactions into blocks absent casks, right?
ben_vulpes: is the cask system design necessarily exclusive of a mempool design?
ben_vulpes: well there is the protocolitic commitment that if the transaction is included, the miner will receive a fee, but that's it.
ben_vulpes: yes, if you want to drive, must have a car.
ben_vulpes: one of the things i took away from the past week of mega logs is that blockchains may have finite lifespans
ben_vulpes: hey at least we get an interesting pricing exercise out of it!
a111: Logged on 2017-03-04 16:13 asciilifeform: evidence, evidently, is something to demand of mr.t only )
a111: Logged on 2017-03-04 17:53 asciilifeform: there is no prioritization because of trb's fundamentally idiotic uniprocess socket handling. ( if there is no preemption - there can be no meaningful prioritization ! )
mircea_popescu: it seems to me, that if i make a request of anyone and anything - a woman, a shopkeeper, a dog, a bee, and that request is not satisfied,
a111: Logged on 2017-03-04 18:02 asciilifeform: also imho mempool events oughta reside in separate log.
mircea_popescu: gold makes a terrible dildo, incidentally. silver's better, somewhat.
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ben_vulpes: > find two or three prospective all stars
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski missed vanguard takeover of the world? ria's successfully still hawk high load funds in the northeast?
pete_dushenski: two or three is better than 20 or 30 for fee management
ben_vulpes: mhm, part of the sro song and dance they do down here
pete_dushenski: anyways, i have no love lost for etfs even if their fees are lower than mutual funds of yesteryear. they're still a hodgepodge of thinly distributed garbage. i don't know anyone who seriously reaps a return from them.
pete_dushenski: i like to remind anyone tempted to buy etfs "for safety" that cash outperformed every vanguard offering in 2007. lest we forget that ~half~ of the returns of us stocks during the last fifty years were dictated by only ten days.
ben_vulpes: didn't cash outperform everything in 2007?
pete_dushenski: you could probably find a few exceptions other than cash but not many
ben_vulpes: i have no idea what you're getting at by pointing out that cash outperformed everything (incl. vg index funds, duh?) plus that index gains occur on a limited number of days
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: simply the (perhaps obvious to log readers) point that diversification isn't a panacea particularly in the manner used by 'advisors', which is to say, within sectors and within asset classes rather than between them
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: your airquotes just burst a million middle class bubbles
ben_vulpes: eh, won't be at this place long enough to make proper rotation worthwhile
ben_vulpes: lol, n. am equities did so badly they didn't even make the screenshot?
pete_dushenski: not quite as portable. jew's gotta stay on his toes imo.
ben_vulpes: if invest time as well, returns are denominate in knowledge.
trinque: hm, deedbot still trapped on a netsplit eh?
mircea_popescu: they assassinated us citizens. wtf, what planet is this ?
mircea_popescu: "Now, both The New York Times and The Washington Post confirm that the Obama White House has now expressly authorized the CIA to kill al-Alwaki no matter where he is found, no matter his distance from a battlefield."
mircea_popescu: it's vaguely amusing, just how idiotic the monkeys are.
mircea_popescu: the audacity, you know. criminal head of terrorist state, and they dare even speak.
mircea_popescu: "oh, we were justified". bitch, the fucking towelheads say the exact same thing. you're all justified.
mircea_popescu: the theory being that "the dude gve it up by pariticpating in something we call a military of something we won't call a state" ?
mircea_popescu: until and unless us recognizes the state of taliban-isis, the guy'\s not covered.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what we're discussing now, but anyway. original point was re bahamas being a murderer liar etc.
mircea_popescu: yes, but the fact that both trump and obama grabbed pussy is a detriment to the monkey.