phf: also ben_vulpes was redoing his patches for technical reasons
phf: asciilifeform: well, if you look at the seals folder you'll noticed that your sigs for the two patches are not there either, nor do i have them in my backup. since i remember meticulously going over mailing list and collecting vpatches and sigs, then correlating them to what mod6 had, then ... etc. etc. i suspect that there's some reason for why they are missing but i don't remember what it is. i suspect that it has something to do with regrinds t
phf: hat happened at some point?
mod6: phf: if you're talking about 'malleus_mikehearnificarum' and 'programmable-versionstring' then you'd be correct. they were reground, and never resigned by alf.
mod6: in fact, i think you said that you wouldn't sign them.
mod6: i dunno, it was back in the day.
mod6: im not gonna worry about it. i went through some pain to get them exactly reground correctly, you checked them (iirc) and said they were "correct." but that was pretty much the end of it.
mod6: i don't have time to dig it up. but.. i might be mis-remembering
BingoBoingo: I think I vaguely remember. Something, something, makework, may have been argument
mod6: anyway, please, check out the reground ones, make sure they look good, and if you feel good about 'em, send me a sig :]
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-11: [00:18:10] <asciilifeform> hm.
phf: asciilifeform: just wotpaste'em to channel
mircea_popescu: phf does a111 autoprocess patches from chan or do you just do by hand ?
phf: mircea_popescu: i just do it by hand
☟︎ mircea_popescu: a very greedy patchatron might be a good idea eventually.
phf: true, but right now the number of patches is so low i go out of my way to grab anything i can find anyway
mod6: this is a good thing.
mod6: it takes time to read through these things and validate their correctness.
mircea_popescu: honestly, i think the people who abstract-and-code are idiots anyway. first, you do it by hand. then, you automate what you did. this way a) end up with something that actually works, and even without much design skill is well designed, by mother nature's help ; b) avoiud the trap of "i spent five engineer hours to save myself thirty three minutes of secretarial work over the course of ten years."
☟︎ BingoBoingo: THe ability to do 30 continuous minutes of secretarial work ought to be up there with the ability to load a half ton of topsoil into a truck as a bare minimum requirement for employabilitit
mircea_popescu: and of course the "256 bytes that changed the world" thing referenced from one raddcliffe's "codesupository" blogspot blog is gone.
mircea_popescu: "It is important to note that it is possible that instead of finding the magic ID, you instead find a bunch of zero bytes. In my own copy of the blockchain I have encountered a case when parsing through a .dat file, where the header is missing. Instead there is a large block of zero bytes and then the blockchain picks up again later. I don't know why/how this occurs."
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 00:40 phf: mircea_popescu: i just do it by hand
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall this too, but maybe it was a temporary thing
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 00:47 mircea_popescu: "It is important to note that it is possible that instead of finding the magic ID, you instead find a bunch of zero bytes. In my own copy of the blockchain I have encountered a case when parsing through a .dat file, where the header is missing. Instead there is a large block of zero bytes and then the blockchain picks up again later. I don't know why/how this occurs."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, the code he's using (bitcoin qt! dude's a total eth-dork) is really shitty.
mircea_popescu: "Another important note needs to be made here. The block-length is *not* equal to the amount of data in the block! Meaning, after you read the last entry in a block, that offset often can be, and will be, *less* than the total length of the block reported. Your parser must take this into account and seek the file pointer to wherever the next location in the file is indicated by the block length value." << another example
mircea_popescu: kinda why i'm reading through this spec ben_vulpes dug up.
mircea_popescu: anyway. all these variable length integers are a fucking eyesore.
mircea_popescu: make a pile of fixed output hashes, construct a variable length format to hold it all
mircea_popescu: and moreover, if you DO variable length, then do proper fucking variable length. everywhere.
mircea_popescu: because they were raised by a single woman married to a single man in a house with a single room, one chair and one teacup.
mircea_popescu: yes ; but the ones that didn't turn out functional didn't because of it ; the ones that did, they did in spite of it.
mircea_popescu: "plenty of smart people on ivy league campuses" "sure, and plenty of happy jews in auschwitz."
mircea_popescu: worst thing you can do for kids is make it easy for them
mircea_popescu: holy shit apparently this guy's cca 2014 windoze prb stores blockchain in 128mb files, 100+ of them by that point ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: iirc windows doesn't handle more than 64k files per directory ? neh ?
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2*16 * 128 * 2*20 = 163840
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2**16 * 128 * 2**20 = 8796093022208
mircea_popescu: "Binary-types is *not* helpful in reading files with variable bit-length code-words, such as most compressed file formats. It will basically only work with file-formats based on 8-bit bytes (octets). Also, at this time no floating-point types are supported out of the box. The ieee-floats library might be useful."
mircea_popescu: we were just wondering why, right ? well, here's a coincidental why : this way, it dun work natively with lisp
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ingress and egress, if you wish. though they refer to entrance and exit by willing agents under their own power.
pete_dushenski: shinohai, phf, ben_vulpes would one of you gents be do kind as to pass along a signed copy of the wp-mp pkg ?
pete_dushenski: "A U.S. government safety agency on Friday urged all consumers to stop using Samsung Galaxy Note 7 phones, which are prone to catch fire, and top airlines globally banned their use during flights.
pete_dushenski: usg.aapl badly needs the negative press for its primary opponent as iphone 7 plus is set to launch with ~no useful upgrades other than double-lensed camera.
pete_dushenski: "Pence and his wife, Karen, reported adjusted gross income over the 10 years ranging from about $113,000 last year to over $187,000 in 2009, while the effective state and federal tax rate ranged from a low of just over 10 percent in 2013 to a high of 16.5 percent in 2014, the figures show." << in other news, this is not a bad tax rate for a us middle classman from indiana, really. vp pence is either a
pete_dushenski: for comparison, "Clinton's running mate, U.S. Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia, along with his wife, Anne Holton, released 10 years of tax returns at the same time in August. They paid a federal effective tax rate of 20.3 percent on income of about $313,000 in 2015."
pete_dushenski:
http://archive.is/J86hJ << speaking of problems chez one infinite loop drive, "Apple changed the focus of the project, shifting from an emphasis on designing and producing an automobile to building out the underlying technology for an autonomous vehicle."
pete_dushenski: if this isn't pure carcoin 2.0 except with "underlying autonomous technology" instead of altcoin 2.0 "underlying blockchain technology", i don't know what is. top kek.
pete_dushenski: "we realised that we have no business in bitcoin/auto industry so we've elected to take the easier road of pretending that our deep reserves of offshore cash can be used for anything other than mattress stuffing. if you don't mind, we're just going to plug our ears now LALALALALALA"
phf: there was some old obscure reason why we ditched openbsd. i think it was driver support on that backup gardget
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: shoot! yeah. wanted an ingest/??? pair but flubbed it.
ben_vulpes: the wisdom of asciilifeform's eat/shit is now apparent.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i just got the php off my hands, man
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: and it appears that i no longer have the original tgz. shinohai ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> in other news good god is anne holton ugyl. << omg ugh. yah, she's beat.
mod6: damnit, ignore that url ^
pete_dushenski: !~later tell thestringpuller sorry for the delay, fire over the caddy pics when ready!
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: still not clear why it's a 'dilemma' but perhaps time will tell.
deedbot: wyrdmantis voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 03:58 mircea_popescu: Framedragger log rendition of jhv includes >; and > in the url ?
shinohai: !~later tell pete_dushenski Sure I can put you a signed copy of wp-mp up on my site if you still need.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: an' honestly, tis a pleasure to have who to write such stuff for ; far exceeds any sort of inconvenience in the writing.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: 1737 * 2.4 * 1.5 * 60 = 375192.00000000006
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1737 * 2.4 * 1.5 * 60 = 375192.00000000006
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ingest is angloabomination born 1500s ; technically it'd be exgest but incomprehensible because barbarians not systematical. anyway, ingest comes from gestus, gerere, which means to carry ; hence gestant female ie pregnant and so on.
mircea_popescu: i suppose ingest/excrete would be the english dysfunctional-but-best pair.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: I wonder if those turtles are infected with Baracktrema obamai
Framedragger: [oh shit, mkj suddenly went from 16gb disk space available to 0; bear with me]
Framedragger wonders if it's the trilema-following bot army. will check
deedbot: Medow voiced for 30 minutes.
Medow: $register C42CCE7D70E6BE1E03CF74EFE21B028A61FD2B37
shinohai: Medow: do it again but replace `$` with !!
Medow: !!register C42CCE7D70E6BE1E03CF74EFE21B028A61FD2B37
deedbot: Import failed for C42CCE7D70E6BE1E03CF74EFE21B028A61FD2B37.
Framedragger: (crazy. i'm dumping the contents of vim buffer through the literal ssh terminal, by hand, 'cause i can't save them and i need to. good times!)
shinohai: I got him covered on that mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: Framedragger this is where wizards learn their wizardry craft! BY FIRE.
shinohai: mircea_popescu Framedragger this is where wizards learn their wizardry craft! BY FIRE. <<< never a truer statement has been uttered.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: no objections!! this is good stuff. can't see home partition under `mount` - disk subsystem appears to have failed. (so unfortunately may not be due to bots - yet; OR.. things are even more ominous, in which case, fun!)
Framedragger: so apparently the hosting provider which i've been paying since 2008 without sweat just went down. like, i can't load their homepage and client area. they better have a good explanation for entire cluster going down
Framedragger: gonna learn to host tmsr stuff separately from $random_websites_for_relatives_etc , too; collateral damage much
Framedragger: if they send me a letter saying "our network got fucked due to ddos initiated at your ip" imma laugh
Framedragger: [lol, massive outage of servers (
http://gedimai.iv.lt/?id=493) - "we hereby inform that presently the majority of our network nodes are experiencing issues [read, are +/- down]; therefore the servers behind said nodes may be unreachable." i'll bitchslap them after they recover
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but yes, there's ~no application one can work on that is going to be as seriously high demand as doing stuff here. people go through entire careers in corporate computer science without ever encountering the sort of omgwtfbbq you get for two week's stay.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu and everyone, so just in case it was unclear, everything to do with mkj.lt is down 'cause (apparently, as of now) the network is down. cause as of yet unknown, as they've confirmed when i called. the system also helpfully informs me that server is using 64.50 GB out of available 10.00 GB, and the free disk space available ("-54.50 GB") is less than the recommended free space amount. things shall be migrated, i will however wait fo
Framedragger: r them to recover, and meanwhile i'm off to a punk concert. ttyl.
Framedragger: (and ftr hosting a parliament candidate's website on the same server as something to do with tmsr may have been a choice too curious.)
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 15:14 Framedragger: [lol, massive outage of servers (
http://gedimai.iv.lt/?id=493) - "we hereby inform that presently the majority of our network nodes are experiencing issues [read, are +/- down]; therefore the servers behind said nodes may be unreachable." i'll bitchslap them after they recover
mircea_popescu: and meanwhile i'm chasing some obscure comment blockquoting bug
mircea_popescu: in other lulz & assorted "daily wtf that never happened on the bitcoin network and if it did it's mp's fault anyway", a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc being high-S got malleated by da3008e8b15d36343bc07c05cf107a7b6d29df0467901401410f8fe0d8c76488 which however... doesn't actually exist.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: otherwise feel free to you know, stage mock debates/legal proceedings between payment processor ("we sent the txn as contractually obligated") and contracting firm ("we hired you to do the payments, do them") etc etc.
mircea_popescu: the point ~everyone, from the propellerhead ethidiots to yours truly, prefers to not observe the fact that bitcoin can not be part of economic activity as is, because unspecified machinery with unpredictable behaviours are exactly not the substance of contractual agreements.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: there can by definition exist no meeting of the minds on such shaky, arbitrarily shapeshifting terrains.
mircea_popescu: for this money, elliot also observed his pussy crushing doesn't work. went right back to it.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 16:15 mircea_popescu: in other lulz & assorted "daily wtf that never happened on the bitcoin network and if it did it's mp's fault anyway", a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc being high-S got malleated by da3008e8b15d36343bc07c05cf107a7b6d29df0467901401410f8fe0d8c76488 which however... doesn't actually exist.
shinohai: Neither show up on the blockchain.info turd
Framedragger: [things are back up. also, doing ssh stuff via shitphone sometimes worx.]
Framedragger:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160911/#199 << ah, scheiße. unfortunately fix involves rewriting part of the log viewer which is based on regex. (to be clear, my fault entirely, of course). will be done - but not instantaneously, am afraid. thanks.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: re. "Enemy can spam the channel but each of his packets can be rejected in ~constant time~" - ahh! that clarifies matters for me. will comment on blog later by PC. ttyl
phf: asciilifeform: i'll read it once the dust settles
mircea_popescu: as the australian slut once said to her boyfriend, "roses are red, violets are blue, i'm at mp's house cheating you you eh."
mircea_popescu: the matter in dispute is how to handle authentification. one solution is decrypt-challenge. the other solution is signed-hello. i reject signed-hello for a number of reasons, both practical and theoretical, which alf doesn't seem to think much of but which i am satisfied are sufficient to sink any attempt to implement a gossipd on sh. alf purports to reject dc on similar grounds, except i can't find anything like an argument
mircea_popescu: of either kind in his production ; nevertheless he also claims dc is sufficient to sink any attempt to implemnet a gossipd.
mircea_popescu: anyway, discussion of specifix there plox, lest we manage to lose the ~only benefit so far, which is to say that nonsensical as it is, at least discussion is all in one place
mircea_popescu: the silent are not necessarily thereby lazy! mebbe they're trying to understand the otherwise rather complex an' intricate matter in discussion.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this said, i see absolutely no problem whatsoever implementing trb nodes on sign-hello.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 17:21 mircea_popescu: the silent are not necessarily thereby lazy! mebbe they're trying to understand the otherwise rather complex an' intricate matter in discussion.
trinque will join the discussion when he has something that hasn't been said, and not simply to "make voice heard" or "join the debate"
ben_vulpes: it is the most difficult design problem i've seen and i'm still working to wrap my head around both of your positions
mircea_popescu: ha! /me showered, came out with two ideas : an update for article ; and "i wonder if one could come up with a way to do all-or-nothing transforms that are freeform"
mod6: well, looks im a bit behind now.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 429349 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 58 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
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phf: asciilifeform: do you by chance have schematics for your model f controller reimplementation?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, rivest's scheme is ordered, i was thinking of an order-indifferent k-1 of k packets sorta thing
☟︎ mircea_popescu: hey, wait, i thought they were going to nailgun the other one!!11eleventy
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 21:39 phf: asciilifeform: do you by chance have schematics for your model f controller reimplementation?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 21:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, rivest's scheme is ordered, i was thinking of an order-indifferent k-1 of k packets sorta thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i mean is, iirc rivest just puts key in last packet. there's no reason to have a "last" packet ; why not "one of"
mircea_popescu: thinking being that if the all-xored-with-key packet is specifically known, observer has some advantage in detecting underperforming rng ; but if it's not known then not so much.
mircea_popescu: not in defense of shit rngs. but why specify something that needn't be.
mircea_popescu: this is true. but it's quite sensible to design for "least possible rules"
mircea_popescu: actually modern plane is designed to fly if 3 engines fall off etc
phf: asciilifeform: ah cool, i think you might've linked that page before