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a111: Logged on 2016-08-27 19:04 mod6: <+mats> if there are any folks still looking to exit their s.nsa holdings, i would like to discuss buying your shares <+asciilifeform> mats: i would buy yours if i had in what to put. << looks like he's trying to buy, not sell.
mats: i was remorseful, things change
mats: i am also following along, and i want to be clear about my position, which i think is well represented above
deedbot: deadweasel voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: jurov dunno if you care but your blog doesn't send pingbacks.
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deedbot: BingoBoingo unrated kakobrekla.
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deedbot: BingoBoingo unrated DanyAlos.
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deedbot: BingoBoingo unrated episking-.
shinohai: episking~ i remember from #bitcoin-otc
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deedbot: BingoBoingo unrated moiety.
mircea_popescu: yeah he used to try and trade btc/fiat ; but dubious rates.
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mircea_popescu: pity nothing came of moiety chick. she was kinda lively
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deedbot: BingoBoingo rated shinohai 3 << Regular Qntra Contributor and TRB-ist
shinohai: !!v 0EF09BD2E377482401B1B38B0EEA2CA1A1F87C694063112BF046A433409286D3
deedbot: shinohai unrated MagnusFox.
mircea_popescu: in similar news, walking yest thgrough town a buncha girlies hit on me, where i'm from, where's the chicks from, etc. they were athletes, like 16yos, playing in the natl basketball competition, semifinals today. so i told them ima show up. which i did.
mircea_popescu: which utterly threw their game off, they got all stiff and nervous and kept missing passes and shots and the whole kaboodle, ended up trashed 70-55 by a clearly worse team.
BingoBoingo: !!v B7C64C99CBA811DE2DA1D66D68B8BD79F916A962C54FB9C2938B54F23CA0F874
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of mike_c from 3 to 1 << Greater of Things, Absent with leave
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is it because you brought other girls to their game?
mircea_popescu: or because i was the only dude over 30 there that didn't look like advanced case of brain parasitosis.
mircea_popescu: or because confronted with their afore-unknown womanly power actually working irl they totally lost their shit
mircea_popescu: in any case, the place is called cenard (centro nacional por alto rendimiento deportivo). they kinda suck at the stated goal.
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deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of ben_vulpes from 3 to 5 << Foundation co-chair with mod6, Class of 2013 Represent!
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shinohai: returned 22:08 deedbot shinohai updated rating of trinque from 3 to 3 << deedbot, lisp, trb
BingoBoingo done with noise for now, may noise again soon.
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deedbot: deadweasel voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo was engaged in hobby activity trimming undead conifers to customer specifications, and non hobbyists wondered why I would want to play with sawzall when there was drudgework and gossip they wanted my help with.
BingoBoingo: "One of the students wrote: “Every day I pass a different student wearing a ‘Black Lives Matter’ shirt and that goes unacknowledged, but the moment I attempt to voice my opinion it is abruptly shut down by the left sided environment that our school has overwhelmingly supported this school year.” Another student wrote: “I got called a racist, misogynistic pig.”"
ben_vulpes: ]bwahahaa pfhfhfahaha marginalized white kids
BingoBoingo: The real white supremacists are the people who complain that they are disadvantaged because not white.
ben_vulpes: ah i find the turning of their own language on the libtards endlessly amusing
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 01:14 asciilifeform: mats: pretty lulzy in light of today's kakobrekla 'i know the only shareholder and he is remorseful'
mircea_popescu: i wish for once to meet a bum drunk who's not all about how he knows how facebook/cold fusion/lobbying for blabla works.
ben_vulpes: do the various weird telnet responses imply an encoding nightmare i have to figure out and fix on my machine?
ben_vulpes: how'd you pull that gem out so quickly?
davout: master delusionist's mig
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the part where the hawk watcher misspelled because is!
adlai: congratulations on sellout, mircea_popescu & asciilifeform ! although requiring wholesale minimum of half the stock seems kinda 'asking for it'
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a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 05:55 mircea_popescu: aaaand... we're sold out on the 1st batch o.O
mircea_popescu: looky : it's rare that your conclusions are baffling because i'm not aware what ~i~ said. it's generally the case that i'm not aware what nutty assumptions you baked into it. so, what ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, today i learned a chinese! it goes like so : 和我一起，那是你的婊子掴你进监狱，并与所有的民族疯人院
☟︎ shinohai: !~translate en to zh-CN Fuckgoats
jhvh1: shinohai: Fuckgoats
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: FUCK山羊
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 高原复制山羊
shinohai: !~translate en to zh-CN "rape goats"
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 高原复制山羊
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: "javascript.eval("高原复制山羊"==="高原复制山羊")" is not a valid command.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: "exec(c.eval("高原复制山羊"==="高原复制山羊"))" is not a valid command.
adlai: ;;later tell mod6 may I please be granted admission to your trb dev channel(s)?
adlai: !~later tell mod6 may I please be granted admission to your trb dev channel(s)?
jhvh1: adlai: The operation succeeded.
adlai: asciilifeform: any forecast of when batch two will assemble & ship?
☟︎ thestringpuller: asciilifeform: well the cyrpto-pocalypse is happening. reading several arguments against the "paper-wallet" and literally saw "Javascript has strong cryptographic functions. Generate keys in your web browser!"
thestringpuller: Luke-jr was trying to warn people similarly to you as to "paper wallet" crap-olade. And "the self proclaimed experts" stated, " He doesn't believe that any security sensitive activity should happen in a web browser, disregarding the fact that today's JavaScript actually has excellent cryptographic bonafides -- like a random number generator that's generally stronger than whatever the host operating system can offer."
adlai: this sounds like a criticism of JS-generated keys, rather than a criticism of "private key never existed on an internet-connected computer, and no backup is saved other than a piece of paper"
thestringpuller: While asciilifeform is diligently building fuckgoats the lamestream media will inevitably "white wash javascript" crypto. Above is evidnce of it happening in the making. Maybe not suprising to you. But surprising to me to see it more rampantly.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I don't think keybase allows you to generate keys anymore...you have to supply them...
thestringpuller: or atleast I have yet to encounter a keybase user in the wild who has done so...
shinohai: nah they still ask you to "paste copy of privkey in browser to enact enhanced features*
☟︎ Framedragger: (but for clarity, keybase works perfectly well without being supplied with privkey, no?) ("i'm just sayin'" - not defending keybase.)
davout: shinohai: you're such a racist and elitist pig. cryptography should be easy and downloadable from the appstore
thestringpuller: look i thought jgarzik's tweet about gpg dying was just an outlier of PRB nonsense but it's a plague now I've witnessed for myself, that is all
☟︎ Framedragger: indeed, attack is stronger than initially pictured. "sane" "developers" actually promote js crypto, etc.; i guess that just means that one has to be even more vigilant (and proactively declare those to be insane).. :)
Framedragger: well.. that's one of the problems. i don't really keep names in my mind, it's not worth the space. sorry if i implied that i'd be able to point at anything interesting
shinohai: (keybase allows signing of zcash scam addys)
Framedragger: fwiw i still like moxie, but it's sad that he's doing the "i don't use gpg anymore" thing, too
☟︎ Framedragger: shinohai: why should it selectively disallow to sign whatever you wanted?
shinohai: well sure u dont have to use it
Framedragger: i suppose so, but his tone was more like "gpg UI is shit => gpg is shit => eh fuck gpg, i'll just use signal/otr etc [and i encourage others to do the same]"
Framedragger: which is, you know, how you end up in a pool, surrounded by sharks and tigers :p / :(
Framedragger: (but that's different from a developer endorsing js crypto, of course)
phf: goes back to our conversation about "why you no respect ptacek". since their opinions are not hinged on any deliberately lived experience, they change them according to fashions. if you happen to be fashion aligned you'll think that they are geniuses, but as soon as you start doing your own thing, you realize just how superficial they are
adlai: out of curiosity, why are orders encrypted to mircea_popescu , when i'd assume (silly me, all these assumptions!) that asciilifeform is the one actually doing the assembly + shipping?
☟︎ adlai: ok so i'll leave out the --encrypt-to stan
adlai has this nasty habit of doing things for no particularly good reason. working on culling it.
adlai: ugh, sadly internet collections of quotes from "The Phantom Tollbooth" lack the one about valid reasons... left as exercise to reader
adlai wonders whether the delay of signing the order info is worth the gain in trust
adlai: sufficiently resourceful prankster might enrich S.NSA at customers' expence by giving them different amounts
phf: asciilifeform: i think the solution that we arrived at is that you just paste the two pastebot urls clear and sig and i pick them up. so if you want to deedbot them, just do that, and you can assume that it'll end up in btcbase
adlai: asciilifeform: i realize there is not an incentive to perform such mischief. this is just me being talkative.
phf: asciilifeform: i misunderstand the question then
phf: i guess deedbot does something it shouldn't do..
phf: huh, i didn't know that. i thought deedbot takes binary blobs sort of deal
adlai: raudus jactum est!
phf: trinque wants me to deedbot logs, and if it only takes clearsigns, that would be kind of tricky.
adlai: at which point the planet gains angular momentum, due to murphy spinning slower in his grave
adlai: i don't think "+++ " can be a valid (subseq line 0 4)
adlai: although i may be understanding the spec incorrectly
adlai: it could help to see the exact lines that caused this
adlai: re:space, i realize the space is the separator in the patch syntax; the awk script is not looking for it though
adlai: the per-file header produced by gnudiff should contain two spaces, whereas b64 data should contain none
adlai: in the lines that you do want that awk script to match
adlai: of course, although the current vdiff is a mishmash of three abstractions, two of which have their own DSLs (bash & awk), so some amount of abstraction leak is inevitable
adlai: d) b64(gzip), hope that bug doesn't recur
adlai: obviously this is not a replacement for a proper fix to vdiff itself
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adlai: this 'hope' gets tested immediately. i'm only suggesting a quick fix here, still thinking about the proper one.
phf: binary blobs remain an unsolved problem. the whole idea of binary (or base64) is contrary to some of the more philosophical aspects of vpatch you and mp like to discuss, so i don't know if base64 even solves it.
☟︎ jurov: what about converting pics to ppm/pnm?
phf: what about providing schematics in a textual format of some sort? it being a graph some form of graphviz dot or whatever
adlai: as i see it the problem is that a valid gnudiff output is a false positive for the awk script, this actually has nothing to do with b64 that just happens to have produced the first example of this output
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 17:54 adlai: asciilifeform: any forecast of when batch two will assemble & ship?
phf: asciilifeform: to some extent it goes back to the that thread about thinking on the board, and the result of thinking
adlai: my proper fix to this would be writing vdiff in zero-dependency ANSI CL, and replacing the "long career of idiot special case patches" with a short career of specific kelvin-reducing patches
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:03 shinohai: nah they still ask you to "paste copy of privkey in browser to enact enhanced features*
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:08 thestringpuller: look i thought jgarzik's tweet about gpg dying was just an outlier of PRB nonsense but it's a plague now I've witnessed for myself, that is all
mircea_popescu: we appreciate the compliment ; they can go serenade all the dumb cunts that don't know better, as before.
mircea_popescu: because yes - we are taking over rsa altogether, from the format down.
phf: asciilifeform: i suggested one, i'm still suggesting it. philosophically correct solution would be to reduce graph to something that can be reasoned about as text. note that i'm not even sure if i'm prepared to advocate for that as the main way forward, but it's an option.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:12 Framedragger: fwiw i still like moxie, but it's sad that he's doing the "i don't use gpg anymore" thing, too
mircea_popescu: afaik outside of my referencing him (and for that matter tlp) by name, it "wasn't know" at least "not publicly" etc. which is disjunct from "not knowable" ofcoars.
adlai: asciilifeform: hypothetical program gets two files as input, old version and new version. proceeds to make diff itself, rather than relying on gnudiff; doesn't need to use awk matching since it's not massaging grudiff output but rather producing the vpatch directly itself, thus bypassing this magic string. am i missing something?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:32 adlai: out of curiosity, why are orders encrypted to mircea_popescu , when i'd assume (silly me, all these assumptions!) that asciilifeform is the one actually doing the assembly + shipping?
mircea_popescu: minding own business, as reflected in, for eg, having actually come up with something useful at some point, and also in the negative in, eg, not asking me to do your homework out of published data, is key.
mircea_popescu: being an obnoxious turd, no matter how disguised, ain't gonna purchase you jack shit. no matter what you delude yourself into thinking it purchased.
adlai: i do hope that identifying my assumptions as such as improvement upon leaving them implicit.
mircea_popescu: this "concerned public" nubbinstardation didn't work for the original nubbins. you think you're special or some shit ?
mircea_popescu: yes, but what the fuck is it his business that old whore of hillary is doing my secretarial work ?
shinohai: !!rate BingoBoingo 3 "Qntra: Herald of The Most Serene Republic"
adlai: my intent was not nubbins's "you guys are operating badly", but rather "you guys are operating differently from how i expected, could you please educate me as to why my assumption is incorrect?"
mircea_popescu: your assumption is mistaken in your having one in the first place.
phf: asciilifeform: perhaps binary blobs don't belong ~in~ vpatch in general for philosophical and mechanical reasons. my proposed solution 2 would be to extend vpatch tool to tack one base64 binary blobs after the fact. you can grep for "appears to be binary" or whatever it is and feed those separately to uuencode/decode.
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deedbot: shinohai updated rating of BingoBoingo from 2 to 3 << "Qntra: Herald of The Most Serene Republic"
adlai: mircea_popescu: i'm trying to replace the mistaken assumptions, stemming from operating hypothetical services within my own imagination.
mircea_popescu: just drop the whole imagination thing, it ain't useful. it just provides a way for you to waste your energy. go do things, if you ask then "hey, i am now opening shop for adlai's electronic dildos, but i don't intend to do X like nsa did, but this other way, anyone see a problem?" you'll get an answer and proceed from there.
adlai: ok. sorry for getting you riled up again.
phf: asciilifeform: uuencode/uudecode
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:40 asciilifeform: WITHOUT THE IDIOT MUTILATION of clearsign
adlai: re: "go do things", another thing i've been doing is studying towards
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-19#1556804. my understanding thus far is that it is firmly within "not possible to put into Bitcoin" territory, but still potentially interesting; and i am not yet confident enough in my understanding to try explaining to others; but i should be in a ~month.
☝︎ adlai: (this is re: the "MimbleWimble" not-yet-altcoin)
mircea_popescu: adlai your attempts to state "the moon math" for $item resulted in knowledge that... "not possible to put into bitcoin" ? this is mixnonsense wtf. math is math.
phf: asciilifeform: i've got another one :)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:46 asciilifeform: btw for folx who are thick as a brick i will point out, that i SPECIFICALLY DO NOT WANT vdiff's '---' turned by idiot koch liquishit into '- ---'
mircea_popescu: would you agree the correct move here is to actually specify clearsign format for tmsr-rsa ?
phf: so vpatches all have preludes, by virtue of how diff/patch works (that's how you can just cat mail.mbox > patch). i was thinking of using that prelude for readme, but you can put base64 binary files there, and verbally communicate additional required steps. it's ugly, but it's without mutilating core concept. prelude is reveserved for whatever ugly special case hacks, etc.
mircea_popescu: phf these are palleative solutions, you understand i'm sure. the fundamental problem here is that clearisgn is a "magic char" driven thing like nonsense "nullterm" string constructions
mircea_popescu: this may even be ok if the magic chars weren't fucking DASHES ffs.
phf: mircea_popescu: the whole thing is "magic char" driven though. in this particular case the failure is not just from clearsign, but from a combination of clearsign and vpatch own magic chars.
mircea_popescu: you don't "exponent multiply" the payload "up until you run into the number of the beast"
phf: mircea_popescu: i mean vpatch's own --- +++
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform : as a palleative : could we actually just fucking edit koch-rsa so that "----" rather than "-" becomes a symbol and deploy this on deedbot ?
mircea_popescu: so it DOESN'T do - - for ONE -, but only for five -----
mircea_popescu: in principle we should just make it the whole story, "----- BEGIN FUCKAGE -----"
mircea_popescu: what, you think it just happened ? it didn't just happen.
mircea_popescu: no, we'll have phf indulge us, nuke specific magic string from log, replace it with something. LETS BUILD UNICODE!
mircea_popescu: phf trinque mod6 does this notion sound as idiotic to you as it does to him ?
mircea_popescu: (i confess it does to me, has no value other than cheapness. but gotta see what peoples think too!)
mircea_popescu: so i'ma just wait here for you to p, and comment thar rather than try and spec a tmsr-rsa-clearsign ?
jurov: MIME avoids this by generating unique magic strings as delimiters after the fact. but you don't want to, i guess.
mircea_popescu: jurov no because then you're stuck with a reflexive system
phf: i'm convinced that blobs shouldn't go into vpatches, this completely breaks the whole readability/communication aspect of it, while still remaining promisestronic: you have to take some additional step after pressing to get the final images.
mircea_popescu: phf suppose you make an ai expert system to beat us at go. this gives you two practical options : either include 10gb worth of binary flags preset ; or else have us beat it at go for 10 centuries before it gets to where it plays like a freshly fucked 19yo.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally it always amuses me how fascinated the redditard/ycombinatard always seem to be with the "pick 2 of 3" sort of shits, to the point of aspiring to have one named after themselves / renaming ancient ones in anecdotal rephrasings to honor whatever particularly hipstery doofus. never once does it occur to them that the only thing this means is "the problem's misstated".
jurov: i think phf means that everything should be converted into text representation
mircea_popescu: "text representation" doesn't have that hard a meaning in this context though. what's it mean ?
phf: mircea_popescu: i get the problem, but you can always some up with a strict no-blob solution, whether or not it's practical. in this case include your entire training set, that, being go boards, can literally be represented as ascii x/o drawings
jurov: i don't see what's the problem with having 8-10x more data
jurov: mircea_popescu: i offered netpbm, that's well specified ascii image format
mircea_popescu: phf yes but can we come up0 with a general no blob solution ?
jurov: there's also svg using data uri, where you can put all data on one line, thus avoiding +++ on line start problem
mircea_popescu: so then "it always can be done in particular" is no asnwer, is it ?
mircea_popescu: the whole point we're trying to get out of is that adhocness
phf: mircea_popescu: well, the way i got what you grokked from v when it originally came out, is that vpatches are literate, for things that you can reason ~and meaningfully amend~. "unicode on a chalkboard" thread is also relevant
phf: you can't do anything with a binary blob, in which case vpatch serves exclusively as a dumb payload or a container
mircea_popescu: ie, the reason koch-gpg-clearsing worked ok for us for a long time is that while flawed as alf correctly (and repeatedly for a year now) points out, nevertheless its hole falls atop a hole of v, namely that it doesn't do "-----"
phf: so my proposed "put everything into prelude" solution preserves the literacy angle, and uses prelude as a "annotation" section, i.e. space for verbiage, supporting material etc. this will work for free with things like btcbase. can also pack it into a tar file and sign ~that~, but breaks a lot of tools
mircea_popescu: while xml is shit, it's not directly clear that the correct move here isn't, eg, to make a tmsr-cad format.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:54 asciilifeform: it occurred.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey it's not my fault you keep going around starting fires! oh what does this button do, oh what if we made own hardware, oh etc!
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 19:05 asciilifeform: i have nfi right now what to do with this nonsense.
mircea_popescu: +++7F0QaZAgBgF3/7448/fmnc/DnT29zJipI3ZCWnifqyfJH6/nRzUt7979al5JtwrACPLNjDb5Pc false <<< ahahaha epic!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why aren't these schematics svg anyway btw ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 19:14 phf: binary blobs remain an unsolved problem. the whole idea of binary (or base64) is contrary to some of the more philosophical aspects of vpatch you and mp like to discuss, so i don't know if base64 even solves it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "png as v format" is inept beyond belief. let alone "i wish to inspect this matter and can't use my eyes", it's worse : "suppose i want this to be 3x as large" "oh can't do that". well da fuck.
mircea_popescu: 2,2 mb worth of <g id="ID_205" color="rgb(127,127,0)" stroke="currentColor" fill="none" stroke-width="0.055669275"/> <g id="ID_204" color="rgb(0,0,0)" stroke="currentColor" fill="none" stroke-width="0.055669275"/>
phf: which is probably ballpark what vectorizing those dxf's produces (probably with significant info loss)
trinque: what's the problem with a P sig header appearing inside another ?
trinque: outer's offset extends beyond inner, so what
trinque: I signed his signed thing is already done
trinque just made it to the surface.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get a working gimp ? i dunno what to say. mine eats it, i am looking at a 1960x2490 version of it atm, looks fine
mircea_popescu: it seriously looks good. even your 10K for R5 is there
trinque: asciilifeform: problem was indicated with "magic sig chars appearing in signed material"
trinque: problem one is not a problem
trinque: wtf if I invalidate #1 that says nothing of #21
trinque: I am discussing a supposed tmsr sign format that does not have but a header and payload
phf: mircea_popescu: no, but your svg works with mac's default tooling
trinque: release and I'll build into deedbot
mircea_popescu: phf i have nfi what he's on about. seems to me totally broken gimp install.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform look, saying "the v is not allowing x char sequence i wanna use" is one thing. saying "o woes i have this here book of 5mn chars and i want it to be readable in 3 minutes" is another thing.
mircea_popescu: there's no way to make an arbitrarily complex schematic fit in an arbitrarily short space.
mircea_popescu: convertor cut it in half, which considering we went from binary to readable format is pretty performanc.
jurov: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?>
jurov: <svg viewBox="-0base64: invalid input
jurov: ^ something iffy with mircea's base64
jurov: when i do base64 -di
jurov: then it decodes and i can view the svg
phf: jurov: is it not -Di
jurov: i de-base64 each one, then concat and i can open it fine
phf: actually no idea, it's mac's flags
mircea_popescu: you first debased then concat'd and it still worked ?!
phf: mircea_popescu: i have nfi either, i have it unpacked
jurov: sha512: 45d2dd64fee8410f3a42715e557b20a480e234ae04fa9e18552bbc0510fc5f57288dbfbdc813ad9f4563a29fcae45caf8d885f96c2f6df55da1febac1b3515ff goat.svg
mircea_popescu: ill report in a sec, machine currently hosed painting the svg over 200k x 200k canvas
mircea_popescu: hang on dawg, we're just trying to figure shit out here
mircea_popescu: 45d2dd64fee8410f3a42715e557b20a480e234ae04fa9e18552bbc0510fc5f57288dbfbdc813ad9f4563a29fcae45caf8d885f96c2f6df55da1febac1b3515ff /home/mircea/Documents/goat1.svg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i could readily reduce the svg if you wish, most of it is dreamweaver-style pointless tagging
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i have nfi, you won't fix your set-up so you can see how great a svg i made out of your dxf!
phf: asciilifeform: did you ~concatenate base64 originals first~?
jurov: same if libpng does?
phf: asciilifeform: nothing at this point, none of the xml parses uses DTDs (as predicted by naggum)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you nuts ? libpng eats 10mb+ of www turds!
mircea_popescu: yes, per image load - if you don't have them, image won't load.
mircea_popescu: yes, but if nic is never plugged and you never import turds - doesn'\t work
phf: asciilifeform: so do svg parsers
mircea_popescu: so no, png in no sense better than svg in this theoretical approach.
mircea_popescu: svg however better - it can be read, as text, and drawn, by hand. png, not so much.
jurov: asciilifeform: the mircea's file does not have dtd declaration anyway...
mircea_popescu: holy shit you're going to argue from "theoretical logic" ?
jurov: it's just an attribute. when i include some TEXT chunk in png with an url, nothing happens either.
mircea_popescu: at this point i'm not at all clear what problem you're trying to solve here, but it seems to have become "i wish to pack an arbitrarily long poem into an arbitrarily short notation in such a way it will never be forgotten."
mircea_popescu: give me something other than a 5mb dxf to work with, as per this "Short when i wrote it" ?
mircea_popescu: but if that's what it is - neither v nor deedbot need fixing for it.
mircea_popescu: yeah. but do you agree the actual problem is the lack of a tmsr-cad ? as far as "right things" go ?
mircea_popescu: it'd be too fucking easy a hole for adlais to slither into.
mircea_popescu: good thing signature mechanisms are still human-administered or else we'd be sol.
mircea_popescu: "cold equations" is bad enough when you ~fuck up~, but let me tell you about when you didn't even fuck up in the first place.
mircea_popescu: so what are you sauing here, gotta expand deedbot format so it also accepts btc-dev detached sigs ?
mircea_popescu: q : can clearsigned document be created out of detachsig document ?
trinque: alright, but I am willing to entertain running gpg and P in parallel for some time, ftr.
trinque: new features could come on the P side.
trinque read ascii's "no formats", sounds nice.
mircea_popescu: trinque care to look into if you can bash the signature out of detachsig and attach it as clearsigned ?
phf: asciilifeform: what's the purpose of an extra number in the example?
phf: 0x9ae... seems like it
mircea_popescu: trinque theoretically at least it should be just transform the binary sig into a plaintext packet and glue it in.
trinque: mircea_popescu: did, the signed item has to have already been run through gpg's idiot preprocessor
mircea_popescu: ah yes, there is that. so can you try an actual messagelist item ?
phf: asciilifeform: you have 9ae 2ff 100 da9 * = unless i'm misreading
phf: wait so X multiplies da9 and 100, = compares the result with 2ff, 9ae???
trinque: mircea_popescu: reading up on the mangling process, maybe
mircea_popescu: ("find the longest ascii file so that a) lzw compression is under 1% and b) the encryption scheme therein discussed is trivially breakable)
mircea_popescu: trinque mind that there'\s a loose cr/lf spuriously at the end of plaintext payload
trinque: I'd have to spelunk further to confirm, but it looks like clearsigning is canonicalize -> sign
trinque: so then the original item would have to have been detach-signed with line endings already mangled to get a clearsigned version that'd verify
trinque: and whatever else it does to the poor clearsigs
trinque: mircea_popescu: it seems to me the two paths (clearsign and detached-sign) sign completely different piles of bits, if the clearsign first goes through some transformer
trinque: so then if I've got a sig of an un-transformed item in ML, it may contain things the transformer would've stripped/modified if it were clearsigned
mircea_popescu: trinque the clearsign iirc is a stricter operation ; but plenty of signedtxts emerge untouched from both processes.
mircea_popescu: trinque at the very least a result here could be where you machine-verify that X item deedbotted is equal to X' v-item through the process of a) X valid clearsigned b) X' valid detach0igned c) X = preprocessor(X')
trinque: for sure. I'll let all know what I find.
mircea_popescu: but in general speaking, usg.koch blessed us with an idiocy which has to be resolved somehow.
trinque: clearsig "canonicalization" includes line ending conversion to crlf before sig, and lf-only endings probably represent *all* submissions to the ML
trinque: ben_vulpes: was it you and me that ran into this problem at some point? I cannot remember regarding what
mircea_popescu: and then koch wants to go around pretending like he's one of us.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: how, pray tell ? and check out how easy it is to unearth the heathens.
trinque: and the process is not reversible, couldn't even put the information in like "this had lf" somewhere
☟︎ trinque: --decrypt gives you a freshly resquashed turd your machine never saw before.
ben_vulpes: either i remember a decrypted clearsign's hash not matching or am inventing the memory
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 21:50 trinque: and the process is not reversible, couldn't even put the information in like "this had lf" somewhere
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 21:50 mircea_popescu: and then koch wants to go around pretending like he's one of us.
Framedragger: ohno he received a cheque from microshit??? that hitler!! cmon now.
Framedragger: /me received one from google even, once. (for doing stuff related to... tor!!11eleven)
Framedragger: ah, well, that does make one feel.. more uneasy..
mircea_popescu: Framedragger hey, do you also bitch at people who bitch at, eg, mozilla guy who happens to have invented the shit mozilla runs being "bad" because he donated 1k to whoever ?
mircea_popescu: im sure koch got >1k and IM FUCKING SURE microsoft is worse than any "anti-gay-marriage racists" out there.
mircea_popescu: so in short : no, it's not ok to take microsoft money. human trafficking money, the proceeds of sales of endangered baby panda tears, the ransom paid for the return of obama's kidnapped daughters, all that is a-ok.
Framedragger: i guess it's legitimate to bitch about that. i've never been sure. but i did poke at an acquaintance who had plans of working at gchq. to be consistent, i should.. be consistent.
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care, myself, but i can't seem to bring any argument that'd stand when someone decides "fuck him, he's a microsoft tool".
mircea_popescu: because well... he is. and if you take the ethical stand that you don't want to be paid by rapists and murderers, then microsoft tops the list in any reasonable interpretation and that's what it is.
mircea_popescu: ~maybe~ the girl really like it ; and ~maybe~ the dude had it coming to him. but ~certainly~ there is no room for windows & co in this world. the advantage of software, it allows definitive statements to be made like that (an inverse of the problem of liability, wherein hardware lock making company CAN replace any broken locks it shipped, but software lock making company can't because they're all the same lock.) this was used
mircea_popescu: to justify why there's no legal recourse for bad software - and guess what, it stands just as well to explain why it is better to murder and rape than to microsoft.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.