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shinohai: I'd remember those tits ....
shinohai: (right areola is slightly misshapen but who am I to judge
mircea_popescu: you peeps are incredibru.
shinohai: I wish my peeps had been incredible enough not to fuck up that Eulora click earlier this week.
shinohai: xD
ben_vulpes: too many 'tits at dinner', i guess, they all run together
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: so what's going to happen with tillerson?
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS!!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000250.html
mod6 looks
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i dunno, what ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378047 << review of logic re above ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-01-20 02:05 asciilifeform: presently trb does not have this sane behaviour
veen: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616772 << ben_vulpes i assume mircea_popescu doesn't mean secretary of state ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-22 04:55 mircea_popescu: btw, trump actually gave state to petraeus, at least on the declarative front.
shinohai likes to minagine this `wires` patch as G for trb
shinohai: *imagine
asciilifeform: shinohai: it's a prereq for using 'g' or any similar item
shinohai: Also, as side note, last night's patch produced no different behaviour
asciilifeform: it can also be used with traditional ssh tunnels; or even as-is, which will result in same situation as presently seen with 'addnode' -- but no more disconnects!
mircea_popescu: ah that';s nice.
mircea_popescu: solid improvement.
asciilifeform: classical trb did not have a nondisconnectable marker for peers; would not connect to localhost; and deprioritized non-8333 ports to dead-last order. 'wires' fixes this.
shinohai: Lots of irons in fires atm, but exciting development asciilifeform .... I will test in < 24 hrs
asciilifeform: the one case i have not yet tested is the ~bidirectional~ wire.
asciilifeform: i am deliberately leaving this to you lot
asciilifeform: oh and yes, fWires flag is not currently used for anything.
asciilifeform: ( someone is certain to ask 'why' )
mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for submitting.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what means "state to petraeus" then?
ben_vulpes: wires is neat asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: i shall read, think -- later.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes was prior to tillerson being confirmed.
ben_vulpes: hm.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616348 << do "marriage" and "divorce" even have much of a place in the republic? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 22:27 danielpbarron: ban divorce and it isn't "pedo marriage" -- she grows up eventually
ben_vulpes: note how veen went from "my business partner" to "veen", but "my wife" is still -- mine
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: we briefly had a case of an interactive wife here, davout's
asciilifeform: but currently 0
ben_vulpes: had key?
asciilifeform: aha
ben_vulpes: migrated to #t wot?
ben_vulpes: suppose that woulda been done for her.
asciilifeform: !!key oleanie
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/317342D115FA670F29ABFF3CB6C0C41B0A85AAC9.asc
ben_vulpes: !!reputation oleanie
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nvSOG/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: hah epic
asciilifeform: there were formerly other ratings, but evaporated
ben_vulpes: was at c2, no?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: smoked the smallest cigs i ever saw
asciilifeform: like long pencil erasers.
ben_vulpes: in absence of counterclaim, is davout's wife then
ben_vulpes: a contractual relationship between republicans.
ben_vulpes: or possibly implicit!
asciilifeform: quite implicit, the marriage was certainly not executed here.
ben_vulpes: would be interesting to see gpg wedding contracts
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: could be contractual even if contract never executed in chan or even deeded.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: only in heathendom
ben_vulpes: there is no bar to presentation of previously signed documents at a later point.
asciilifeform: ah in that sense
asciilifeform: given that contract is a thing only to the people in it -- sure.
ben_vulpes: there are republicans of various standing, their vassals, and everyone else.
ben_vulpes: the vassals for whom this grates, straight to gpg.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, why can't your wife also be jane ?
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616189 << Why not just respond with "pong" like they expect? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 17:43 asciilifeform: could simply add anybody who emits a 'ping' to banlist.
asciilifeform: PeterL: what part of 'prb does not own bitcoin protocol' is hard to grasp?
asciilifeform: to what else would you have trb 'respond as they expect', PeterL ? bloom filter? segshitness?
asciilifeform: no pasaran.
PeterL: seems like a ping, pong is not a big change, but I guess I see your point. Is there any benefit to it, or is it strictly noise?
mircea_popescu: this is complicated point
mircea_popescu: there is some value in node discovery, but there's a major problem with the socket starvation.
asciilifeform: PeterL: so far i've found ~0 net effect. (earlier today thought that it was a net loss, but dulap caught up and stayed caught up.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform block verification having been your actual issue as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616446 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 22:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect your node's problem is verification.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: block verification is ~an~ issue, world stops for 3-8 minutes when block candidate is being eaten. but is demonstrably not the cause of multi-hour blackhole.
mircea_popescu: yeah. just, back on the 21st the problem happened ot be a pile of contrived blocks s'all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you know moar, i'm all ears
mircea_popescu: if only. the pile of gnarl is unfuckingtraceable.
mircea_popescu: but that 3-8 minutes CAN be half an hour.
asciilifeform: btw do the prb folk have parallelized block verify yet? or do they simply eat whatever garbage.
mircea_popescu: they more or less gave up on verifying.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: next patch is a blockverify timer.
mircea_popescu: this is useful.
mircea_popescu: esp if you get it a little more detailed. per tx.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: in other wtf, https://hub.docker.com/r/mazaclub/btc-therealbitcoin-base
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point in case block we were discussing yest. i timed it at 22 minutes on "reasonable" amd. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ^ who... and why??
mircea_popescu: nobody and why not.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: might be interesting to extend my eatblock experiment to modern height
mircea_popescu: i think that's a fine example to be instrumented for study.
mircea_popescu: just profile the code eating it.
asciilifeform: ( if you recall , that was when we had a trb node, offline, eat the complete chain to date from disk, with timer and valgrind going )
mircea_popescu: no, i am aware.
asciilifeform: that xxxx74 block may well be close to 'worstcase'
mircea_popescu: it's not even the usual worstcase but some novel hell
asciilifeform: i'ma guess the elixir of slooow is: disk thrashing via snarfing of old inputs
asciilifeform: with max nonlocality
asciilifeform: (a 2010 here, a 2011 there...)
mircea_popescu: scripts also manage to clog.
asciilifeform: disk is the real killer tho.
asciilifeform: (there is a sigop limit, but no block seek thrash limit!)
mircea_popescu: there is some indirect coinbase selection stuff.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ^ who... and why?? << lol indeed
asciilifeform: update: both 'wired' nodes at 454265
asciilifeform: !~bc stats
asciilifeform: !~bc stats
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: !~bcstats
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Current Blocks: 454265 | Current Difficulty: 4.40779902286E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 455615 | Next Difficulty In: 1350 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2017/yankee-doodle-henry-part-iii/ << The Whet - Yankee Doodle Henry, Part III
trinque: this is getting great.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1132.0, vol: 11870.49427512 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1110.612, vol: 5569.02674 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1134.8, vol: 14528.00686702 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1086.519981, vol: 4311.64890000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1134.1, vol: 1989.691172 | Volume-weighted last average: 1124.93557762
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://shattered.io
mircea_popescu: google has gpu farm huh.
asciilifeform: fpga farm also.
asciilifeform: (not mega-seekrit, it was what alphago ran on)
shinohai: In other news `SHA-1` is trending on twitter today: https://twitter.com/search?q=SHA-1&src=tren
asciilifeform: !#s sha1
a111: 181 results for "sha1", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sha1
asciilifeform: ^ rich chronicle of lulz
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ << Trilema - Is it still rape if I write "science" on my penis first ?
asciilifeform: oh mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al : the wires patch has a mistake, it fails to reconnect; please do not waste time to test it until fixed.
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , mod6 , et al : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000251.html
asciilifeform: ^ [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Wires (rev. 1)
trinque: However they ~will~ prevent the idiotic situation where known/trusted nodes were treated equally to random scum. << lovely, thank you asciilifeform
trinque: later today I will test
asciilifeform: trinque: two main things to test, afaik: 1) reconnects (let it connect, then temporarily ban ip in iptables on the other side; see how long it takes to reconnect) and 2 ) bidirectional wires, two nodes 'wired to' one another, same, in each direction.
shinohai: ty asciilifeform .... will test this afternoon
asciilifeform: third item to test : two or more wires.
asciilifeform: fourth item : wires over ssh tunnel (set up the tunnel, then add 127.0.0.1:tunnelport as your wire)
asciilifeform: that's pretty much it.
trinque: you got it.
asciilifeform: oh i neglected to revise the readme: 'they don't ever voluntarily get disconnected' is not strictly true!!!! wires are now permitted to disconnect (in catastrophic situations, e.g. flood) but will attempt to reconnect after the set interval, ad infinitum.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu in re: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617048 , interestingly zoolag -- despite being an x86 comp the size of a tea saucer, and weighing ~400 gram -- has roughly 3x faster block verification (of given block) than dulap ! -- on account of ssd. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-23 03:55 mircea_popescu: anyway, the point in case block we were discussing yest. i timed it at 22 minutes on "reasonable" amd.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: there's also that.
asciilifeform: seems to support the disk thrashing hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: certainly a large part.
asciilifeform: in other lulz:
asciilifeform: 'One of the first speeches at this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference challenged the media to stop referring to the “alt-right,” a small, far-right movement that seeks a whites-only state and that strongly backed Donald Trump for president, as conservative. “There is a sinister organization that is trying to warp its way into our ranks,” said Dan Schneider, the executive director of the American Conservative Un
asciilifeform: ion, which runs CPAC. “We must not be deceived by [a] hateful, left-wing fascist group.”'
asciilifeform: and in neighbouring monkey cage,
asciilifeform: 'William H. McRaven, a retired four-star admiral and former Navy SEAL, defended journalists this week, calling President Trump’s denunciation of the media as “the enemy of the American people” the “greatest threat to democracy” he’s seen in his lifetime.'
asciilifeform: ( https://archive.is/3s601 , https://archive.is/nApiy for dedicated entomologists . )
asciilifeform: and in same fishwrap, another 'new york deathray plot', https://archive.is/me1dv >> 'The U.S. Army veteran was charged last week with trying to support the Islamic State ... Agents swooped in during a meeting with a man Hester believed was an Islamic State contact, according to an affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Missouri. But the man was actually an undercover FBI agent who had been building a case against the 25-year-0ld f
asciilifeform: ather of two.'
asciilifeform: 'On his profile, he described himself as “Zionist Jew Pig Redneck Hunting Super Assassin,” according to court documents. '
asciilifeform: brilliant.
asciilifeform: 'Hester said he didn’t have money for bullets but could buy some in a couple weeks when he got his tax return.'
mats: lol
asciilifeform: nao, nobody expects to read about non-retarded 13337 t3rror1stz in the völkischer beobachter. but apparently nowhere else, either.
mircea_popescu: clearly the jew pig did a great turn for our democracy.
mircea_popescu: these be dangerous twenty five year olds with two kids.
asciilifeform: and with temper tantrums at wife in lolmart, etc.
asciilifeform: fit for lafond article.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what did the pravda say, what is the "big" and non-alt-right conservative ?
mircea_popescu: either in terms of who participates or what it proposes. i can't seem to find either ?
mircea_popescu: this "small" alt right seems to be about the entire right.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'non-alt' is the old 'gop', the one that sets up 9/11s, invades iraq, etc.
mircea_popescu: umm
asciilifeform: 'alt' is -- until recently -- crackpots, mr.mold et al. now is hell knows what, 1,001 remoras.
mircea_popescu: ie what, rove + rumsfeld ? can they even piss on their own by now ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they put on new set of hand muppet gloves, clitler et al.
mircea_popescu: i thought the pantsuit clown was "progressive" not "conservative".
mircea_popescu: did they mix the hagen dasz ?
asciilifeform: the 'respectable conservatives' are a zhirinovskian 'heat sink' and have been for decades.
mircea_popescu: so the media reports to have been "challenged" to stop mentioning the rapist raping it into an early grave by certain imaginary friends it has hallucinated into existence ?
mircea_popescu: somebody should give the media its pills.
asciilifeform: speaking of zhirinovskys,
asciilifeform: 'White nationalist Richard Spencer says he’s been kicked out of a gathering of conservative activists. Spencer posted a video on the internet saying he was “politely asked to leave” the Conservative Political Action Conference. Spencer was booted shortly after being denounced by an organizer of the conference. American Conservative Union Executive Director Dan Schneider denounced the so-called alt-right as anti-Semitic, racist
asciilifeform: and sexist.'
mats: i lost some coin betting against the sha1 collision
mats: :(
mircea_popescu: aw
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check that out, just like the white house!
mircea_popescu: it shall be so lulzy to watch the libertards reconstruct BOTH the shreds of their failed official-left party as well as an imaginary not-trump GOP, all this while actually having to work two jobs to support themselves because well, the endowments are gone-gone.
mircea_popescu: it's like going from jewish princess to blue collar divorced man in the space of one fucking season.
asciilifeform: they're gone?!
asciilifeform missed the memo
mircea_popescu: they're gone.
asciilifeform: mats: it is a little disappointing, apparently not fully general collision, but only works on strings having a certain structure
asciilifeform: which, i cannot help but notice, resembles the mirrored keys on phuctor...
mats: i am inconsolable
mats: likely donged by some googler in the project
asciilifeform: mats: i learned my lesson re bbet during the leesedol thing.
mats: i did not learn my lesson
mats: it is time for me to give up betting
asciilifeform: 'don't play chump games unless you stacked the deck yourself. and even then, reconsider.'
mats: i am reformed
mats: i was also stung by the alphago bet ☟︎
mircea_popescu: betting is supposed to be a passtime you.
mircea_popescu: exactly like talking to unknown women.
mircea_popescu: you're not supposed to build your life on it.
asciilifeform: more like taking unknown pills.
mircea_popescu: not unless you're gay.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically they're mining pdfs. anything, ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, please god anything, just as long as it's not the thing.
mircea_popescu: they should probably hire adlai.
asciilifeform: waiwat
mircea_popescu: dude, they are mining pdfs. you understand this ?
mircea_popescu: added a fucking nonce, diddle it, hurr durr we're contributering.
asciilifeform: the sha1 people posted the algo. shouldn't take too much work to turn it into a, e.g., gpg fp clobberer.
asciilifeform: as i currently understand it.
mircea_popescu: ~none whatsoever, yep.
asciilifeform: or git clobberer
mircea_popescu: that's already broken.
shinohai: lel
mircea_popescu: anyway, may even work with the FULL fingerprint/
asciilifeform: well yes, specifically the full fp
asciilifeform: short fp was breakable on a 486
mircea_popescu: which is funny seeing how tmsr design was moving towards "full modulus" a year ago and "for no reason"
mircea_popescu: other than us being you know, unscientific and crazy.
asciilifeform: 'refused to use git for no reason'
asciilifeform: 'ain't git-cum-pgp as good as v..?' -- somebody or other
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's an intermediate fp between the 40 char and the 8 char item.
asciilifeform: 'A V4 fingerprint is the 160-bit SHA-1 hash of the octet 0x99, followed by the two-octet packet length, followed by the entire Public-Key packet starting with the version field. The Key ID is the low-order 64 bits of the fingerprint. ' -- ye olde rfc4880
asciilifeform: notice that this comes with a built-in twiddle nonce -- the key creation timestamp
mircea_popescu: aha
adlai: mircea_popescu: dafuq do you want
mircea_popescu: dude, get lost. i'm going to use you for a urinal. that's it.
asciilifeform: lel d00d was tuned in, all this time..
mircea_popescu: bare life is resilient if nothing else.
mircea_popescu: the female lesson.
adlai: all i gotta say is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612989 << takes one to know one! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 14:49 mircea_popescu: you are an idiot ; go away.
asciilifeform: adlai: any time you feel like doing something useful -- no shortage of items. there is, for instance, a trb knob direly needing testing, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000251.html
danielpbarron: the collision was apparently real enough to trigger the spending of a bounty contained in some nonstandard address abomination >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293382.msg17950195#msg17950195 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: don't be ridiculous.
shinohai: A Gavinized addy to be fair
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's as real as it gets, why wouldn't it be real
trinque: !!v F3F6D82C88ACE2E26D827DD848196508ACC2E2F5ACBF465EA39F4618FDE17FB6
deedbot: trinque rated adlai -1 << endless noise
danielpbarron: !!gettrust deedbot adlai
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 1 by 5 connections.
asciilifeform: lol firing squad
asciilifeform: in other vintage lulz, 'Note also that unlike nearly every other OpenPGP subsystem, there are no parameters in the MDC system. It hard-defines SHA-1 as its hash function. This is not an accident. It is an intentional choice to avoid downgrade and cross-grade attacks while making a simple, fast system. (A downgrade attack would be an attack that replaced SHA-256 with SHA-1, for example. A cross-grade attack would replace SHA-1 wi
asciilifeform: th another 160-bit hash, such as RIPE-MD/160, for example.)'
danielpbarron: !!v B70C174B83C2EDD8F14C99B964B18D4763A3471642B3247CABB7258FE1BA4F4A
deedbot: danielpbarron rated adlai -1 << shut up already
asciilifeform: -- the -- i shit thee not -- rfc.
mircea_popescu: lel
asciilifeform: 'to prevent anal punishments, we pre-inserted this road cone into your arse. this is not an accident. it is an intentional choice...'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617193 >> golden lulzies, 'Note that the value of your SHA256, RIPEMD160, RIPEMD160(SHA256()) or SHA256^2 bounty may be diminished by the act of collecting it.' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-23 18:47 danielpbarron: the collision was apparently real enough to trigger the spending of a bounty contained in some nonstandard address abomination >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293382.msg17950195#msg17950195
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the important point there is : the whole fake bitcoin address (3something) is supposed to be "useful" in practice. this utility is supposed to be proven by idiotic "challenges" like this one put up by peter todd. EXCEPT the output does not actually SIGN the transaction claiming the bounty. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it was a toy, and even explicitly warned 'you must mine the block yourself, or miner can simply take the prize'
mircea_popescu: what they say is "we recommend you mine the block yourself", because totally, this is how it goes, instead of saying "we understand this doohickey is braindamaged beyond the conceivable and the only reason it exists is the existential void besetting our meaningless existence"
mircea_popescu: it's not so much a toy as peter todd & friends are retards.
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack, for whoever may have forgotten, gpg sigs ONLY contain 64bit keyid. e.g., from my vpatch sigs, 0xB98228A001ABFFC7 .
mircea_popescu: or to quote from the cesspool, "This is both incredibly fascinating, and a beautiful show of the kinds of innovation the Bitcoin system supports!"
asciilifeform: at quite reasonable expense, enemy can produce a key that sha-fp's to B98228A001ABFFC7, and for which he has the priv p,q.
asciilifeform: ditto mircea_popescu's, and everybody else.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the whole rsa signature thing needs an overhaul.
asciilifeform: it is not particularly difficult for tmsr folk to avoid situation where this boojum matters. however it is quite ~impossible~ for heathens to avoid.
asciilifeform: signatures from, e.g., linus, are automatically in question.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough challenge is actually stronger.
asciilifeform: and anyone else with whom you (for particular values of 'you') have not exchanged, out of band, modulus.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1523633 << see also. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 00:38 asciilifeform: mod6: all pgptrons live and die by sha1.
asciilifeform: and also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1483829 thread. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 02:16 asciilifeform: btw does mircea_popescu know what would happen if a pgp key with his main key but new magical subkey were generated and posted to sks ?
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough -- it is currently the case that deedbot's deeds list integrity is currently protected by republican design rather than by usg's "cryptographic standards".
asciilifeform: mechanical, bitwise integrity -- yes
mircea_popescu: this is where you link any imbecile of the geoffrey supran variety who dares blather about how "do not homebrew crypto"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i just mean the reason it can't get crapflooded with fake deeds.
mircea_popescu: "gotta be voiced"
asciilifeform: not without a broad daylight fleanode break.
mircea_popescu: even then. "you weren't voiced on my machine, whence did this deed come from"
asciilifeform: the real headache is that it is entirely possible to produce a 'i eat toe fungus!', signed, sincerely, 0x8A736F0E2FB7B452. a year ago i estimated that this costs 100k usd. today -- probably a few thou.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o hey, consider this situation : 1. i know your fp, so i make fake key for that fp. 2. i know trinque 's fp, so i make fake key for that fp too. 3. i know you keep a signed copy of trinque's key on your keyring ; so : 4. i proceed to sign trinque's fake key with your fake key and 5. pretend to be a noob and give you my gpg pubkey. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: if you --import it gpg will probably update trinque's key under your signature won't it.
asciilifeform: it will, guaranteed.
asciilifeform: the keyring thing is a work of evil.
mircea_popescu: well ahem.
ben_vulpes: oh fuckin gross
mircea_popescu: apparently replacing gpg just became top priority.
asciilifeform: became a serious itch for asciilifeform when he watched a sha1 collision get crapped out on demand, for minor project, at butugychag 1+ yr ago
mircea_popescu: we started moving away from sha-1 to sha-512 digests for clearsigned messages what, coupla years back ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes but this does 0 for gpg fp.
asciilifeform: they are hard-wired to sha.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: regardless of knob settings. it is required by the rfc, and is in common among all known pgptrons.
mircea_popescu: i'm not disputing that part ; just saying that it's not exactly a surprise.
asciilifeform: should not have been a surprise, to anyone. like the old example of derelict bridge falling down. 'not an if, but a when'
mircea_popescu: anyway. to get back to the point of interest : it is entirely possible to produce a 'i eat toe fungus!', signed, sincerely, 0x8A736F0E2FB7B452. ; but it is not possible to hide the fact that this was a fake from the owner of the privkey and anyone who has his pubkey.
asciilifeform: trivially correct.
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: will add also that from the pov of a third party unliked to wot of (owner) or (usurper), there are now ~two~ 0x8A736F0E2FB7B452 people.
mircea_popescu: now, this said, we still should prolly replace gpg.
mircea_popescu: (and, of course, we have, courtesy of you know, that "unreasonable expenditure that will spell the ruin of s.nsa and with it of the entire republic!!11" a complete list of all rsa moduli.)
asciilifeform: we also have a few other things, e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581867 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 23:00 asciilifeform: i was not going to expand on the 'p' thread until the proggy is done, but this is probably a good time to say 1 more
mircea_popescu: how's that coming along ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: ~done. i was aiming to SPARKify it before release...
mircea_popescu: i think it's a good time to release (provided it doesn't turn into a wires thing eh!), we can have it on qntra and "republic same day response" etc.
asciilifeform: this is one of those 'sapper -- errs once' affairs.
asciilifeform: safety-critical code.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'SPARKify'? reduce existing code to fit into SPARK subset of ada?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it is more than simply 'reduce', but yes
ben_vulpes: aye, certainly.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581753 << prev thread re subj ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 21:09 asciilifeform: trinque: it is a very simple thing, think 'rpn calculator' and you almost have it.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/23/joseph-and-the-amazing-technicolor-dreamcoat/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat
deedbot: http://thestringpuller.com/2017/02/simple-blender-2-66-cal3d/ << Pull Your Own Strings - Simple Blender 2.66 -> Cal3d
ben_vulpes: spinmeisters in full effect: https://theconversation.com/red-state-rural-america-is-acting-on-climate-change-without-calling-it-climate-change-69866
asciilifeform: 'YouTube cuts popular live stream of giraffe about to give birth for 'nudity and sexual content''
trinque: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: trinque: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1178.98, vol: 10955.20557454 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1136.159, vol: 6445.08664 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1181.4, vol: 21505.71700862 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1119.21264, vol: 5499.66000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1179.0, vol: 2546.68111312 | Volume-weighted last average: 1167.21082463
trinque: it has now been zero minutes since the last all time low for USD
asciilifeform: elsewhere, in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-22#1616821 >> http://archive.is/QoAki << 'Google’s Jigsaw unit, as part of a larger effort to battle online trolling, said earlier today that it was releasing a new tool called Perspective, software that uses machine learning to detect harassment and abuse online.' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-22 07:26 mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a common thread going through the google go ai, attempts to "secure the banking system against risk", the surveillance state / internet of things / smart cars and so on.
asciilifeform: 'The software works by determining the “toxicity” of online comments, a scale that has been established by mining millions of comments from the web and then presenting them to panels of 10 people (humans!) at a clip to get their feedback. '
asciilifeform: 'Update February 23rd, 1:45PM ET: Twitter user Ramsey Nasser points out that the algorithm has consistently high toxicity for Arabic, no matter the content.'
asciilifeform: gold.
asciilifeform: trinque: what about http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-04#405828 ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2013-12-04 18:23 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 1210.0, vol: 15442.99754919 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1150.01, vol: 12582.57372365 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1059.9, vol: 11463.51851 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1150.01, vol: 2621.40917063 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 975.55, vol: 94.01568371 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1126.0836, vol: 49103.04600000 | Volume-weighted last average: 1135.7963542
asciilifeform: or what, we aren't counting mtgox ? then why count the other leveraged and otherwise paper-addled exchanges.
trinque: you're ruining perfectly good gloating, you know
asciilifeform: lel
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, system of two 'wired' trb nodes appears to have marked resistance to 'blackhole'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mtgox went to 1 cent, not high.
asciilifeform: first it went to 1300s.
mircea_popescu: a did it ?
asciilifeform: iirc?
mircea_popescu: anyway, re "online trolling", it's by now a rather transparent euphemism for "racist homophobic terrorism" aka "russia influencing elections" aka pantsuit clown getting raped by reality.
mircea_popescu: o hey check it out -- latest trilema article not actually indexed by google.
mircea_popescu: this could be because "rape" (this happened before, a few trilema articles that google unhappened) ; or maybe triloxic content finally got its comeuppance.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the monkey cage, https://archive.is/TlYxN
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: turns out "the biftinex hack" was ~= same as "the mtgox blabla", ie usg ran off with the coins ?
mircea_popescu: (but nice trick with the archive there, got me to check out reddit and it wasn't even talking about me!)
asciilifeform: lul
asciilifeform: in other noose! zoolag and dulap are now wire-via-ssh-tunneled together.
asciilifeform: worx great.
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , mod6 , shinohai , et al :
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000252.html
asciilifeform: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) A Recipe for the use of Wires via SSH Tunnels. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and holy mother of fuck, jurov , why does your thing mangle '@' into 'at' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: guess.
asciilifeform: guessed.
asciilifeform: anyway this is up an' running.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, mircea_popescu , https://archive.is/HIr9r << i think we have the answer to 'why did asciilifeform get 64kb of crapolade in the guise of ZIPs from archive.is in july of '16 ? '
asciilifeform: 'cloudbleed'
asciilifeform: 'On February 17th 2017, I was working on a corpus distillation project, when I encountered some data that didn't match what I had been expecting. It's not unusual to find garbage, corrupt data, mislabeled data or just crazy non-conforming data...but the format of the data this time was confusing enough that I spent some time trying to debug what had gone wrong, wondering if it was a bug in my code. In fact, the data was bizarre enoug
asciilifeform: h that some colleagues around the Project Zero office even got intrigued. It became clear after a while we were looking at chunks of uninitialized memory interspersed with valid data. ...'