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shinohai: " I simply do not support stealth addresses, multisig addresses, or any other power ranger horseshit at this time." ^___________^
trinque: ben_vulpes: neato. can I get anchors for transaction IDs on the block pages?
trinque: and I'll link ya from deedbot.org
trinque: (nice thing HEY FEATURE REQUEST PLX)
ben_vulpes: (yeah mhm write it down and feed it through the shredder to the right)
ben_vulpes: not until i rewrite the storage layer.
trinque: no; ain't nobody got time for that
ben_vulpes: i'm not doing that immediately because it means either parallelize the hashing of transactions or precompute and cache them.
trinque: I was kidding though; can I look up index in gettransaction or something?
ben_vulpes: how are you spotting deed confirmations now?
trinque: the damned wallet, cursed be its name
☟︎ ben_vulpes: see if you can figure out the tx index within the block
trinque: it's the pigs fault for dressing so slutty
ben_vulpes: if you can be happified with index-in-block for the short term, i'll give you an index anchor.
trinque: isn't in gettransaction so neh. I'll just link to the block for now.
shinohai: as with links, w3m also barfs on it too
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 08:55 jurov: if it's in lisp, just dump the sexpr, don't even bother with backwards compat
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 00:37 trinque: the damned wallet, cursed be its name
shinohai: mod6 do you still have that issue where yours shows incorrect balance?
mod6: on that one test node of mine ya
shinohai: weird. I still haven't had that happen yet
mod6: well, it'd be interesting to see if it started because of sending a number of high-s txns or something back in Januaray when I was testing that vpatch.
mod6: i'll have to check into it.
mod6: someone else has seen this issue too, can't remember who. trinque maybe? anyway, yeah, it's some balderdash.
shinohai: I think pete_dushenski mentioned it, don't quote me on that though.
☟︎ trinque: mod6: yeah, I saw it when I didn't specify -lows
trinque: because highs transactions would be malleated to lows, and then the wallet wouldn't notice they confirmed
shinohai: likely one of the prb turds not supported
shinohai: yup, same block shows p2sh addys on blokechain.info where "unable to decode" appears
mod6: <+trinque> because highs transactions would be malleated to lows, and then the wallet wouldn't notice they confirmed << aha. right on.
mod6: and there is a special message there under Estimated Value Sent:
mod6: "Estimated Value Sent" excludes known change addresses. For example, let's say we have a single transaction where address A sends 1 BTC to address B and also 1 BTC back to address A as change, then only 1 BTC is estimated to have been sent. Proper use of a new change address for each transaction (like all HD wallet implementations) obfuscate this feature.
mircea_popescu: trinque actually - wallet does notice the new inbound tx spending from one of its addresses.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your trb node is not capable to send money from derpy addresses ; which is ok because it's also not able to send to them. other people are more than free to do whatever the fuck they like.
mircea_popescu: currently some miners process, eg, 3-leading bitcoin addresses. while that lasts, trb can send money to you. once it goes away - can send no longer, resulting in some lost bitcoin (practically, sent to unspendable address)
☟︎ jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
trinque: adlai check it out; there's intelligence in booze.
trinque: from now on I'm gonna have a pang of "OH SHIT, WAS IT THE AMD KEYS?!" every time there's a phuctor rss
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fitra: i want to claim the free bitcoin
fitra: i want to claim the free bitcoin
fitra: i want to claim the free bitcoin
fitra: i want to claim the free bitcoin
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 23:15 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyoen going to the coreboot conference in berlin ?
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 04:48 asciilifeform: i cannot picture any use for them, try as i might.
lobbes: but I guess you gotta weed through the derps to see if any will stick
mircea_popescu: so i just spent every last peso i had, because i was up all night partying
mircea_popescu: spent the past four hours at the fucking hospital italiano,
mircea_popescu: because i invented a new manner of tying her hands behind her back and fucking her standing during the weekend
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 02:26 asciilifeform: the thing i do not understand is, how does the thing not fork? say i fire up a prbtron and prbsend to A. then fire up trbtron and send same coin to B.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 03:54 trinque: from now on I'm gonna have a pang of "OH SHIT, WAS IT THE AMD KEYS?!" every time there's a phuctor rss
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 04:47 asciilifeform: what do you use these for, again, mircea_popescu
adlai:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553109 << it's done as a soft-fork. the transactions sending to&from P2SH addresses are valid for all nodes, except that miners enforce an additional constraint before confirming spends from such addresses: the preimage of the address must ~also~ execute as a valid script
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 01:26 asciilifeform: i don't grasp how this kind of thing can work without being a hardfork
adlai:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553120 << so this is actually incorrect; should miners stop respecting the P2SH softfork, these coins will suddenly become a lot more spendable than before. anybody who can reproduce the input script preimage could spend them, even if they don't know data which would make that preimage script validate
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 01:48 mircea_popescu: currently some miners process, eg, 3-leading bitcoin addresses. while that lasts, trb can send money to you. once it goes away - can send no longer, resulting in some lost bitcoin (practically, sent to unspendable address)
adlai handwaves aside the issue of parsing an the format beginning with a 3; once in the blockchain, these addresses are just: [op_hash160 <preimage> op_equal], which is a valid script for clients going all the way back to satoshi
mircea_popescu: weird. in yurp you can taxi pretty much any and all uni gear.
PeterL: they do not want "random guy off street" "causing problems for students"
mircea_popescu: ie, pointing and laughing at whatever "rape" "black lives matter" "occupy wallstreet" etc fashion of the day ?
PeterL: or making the precious snowflakes feel insecure
mircea_popescu: how to produce an esltard ? keep kids isolated among themselves with a steady diet of cancerous shit from idiots like what's his face
PeterL: just find grad student who has access, offer to slip him some cash
mircea_popescu: then wonder wtf is wrong with them. well... how about "they didn't suck any 30yo dick when they were 16."
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 10:49 adlai:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553120 << so this is actually incorrect; should miners stop respecting the P2SH softfork, these coins will suddenly become a lot more spendable than before. anybody who can reproduce the input script preimage could spend them, even if they don't know data which would make that preimage script validate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform per-hour cost of car with driver (another ~70k item) is about 100 bux give or take. youget teh idea.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, this would be great for reddit. "Hi. I live in <ZIP> and I need access to {list} instrument in order to explore the AMD chip so and so. Anyone know anyone ?"
PeterL: presumably if you are paying by hour to use you are not sneaking?
mircea_popescu: nah, this zimbabwe is like pre-collapse soviets. govt pays for it, you use it for beer.
mircea_popescu: i thought metal is extremely visible in electron microscopy
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: sorry for missing your message I was ptfo by then.
thestringpuller: Gotta figure out how you are able to manage the Napoleon sleep schedule.
shinohai: Don't sleep at Waterloo. Just sayin'
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PeterL: is there a way to make pgp use something other than sha1 for clearsigning?
shinohai: Change it under personal digest preferences in .conf?
PeterL: umm, where is .conf stored?
PeterL: darn hidden files ... thanks shinohai
a111: Logged on 2014-10-16 14:00 mircea_popescu: btw, cazalla bingoboingo and everyone else in the same situation : if the blob gpg spits out when you sign contains a SHA1 you are using the older, and perhaps not all that secure digest algo. you should move on to sha512 either with --digest-algo SHA512 or else edit gpg.conf to insert personal-digest-preferences SHA512 SHA384 SHA256
PeterL: changing the hash algo - one of those little things which should be in the "everything you should know when you start using a computer" list
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that lol. starting your own segwit altcoin ?
PeterL: that is for possible future reference
PeterL: might be random noise, might be top secret leak, who knows?
shinohai: It's Pieter Wuille's death certificate, that'll be 1 BTC plox
mircea_popescu: ^ in a shocking development, nsa actually comits to making a thing!
☟︎ adlai:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553217 << i don't understand what you mean. the only sense in which coins will be "gone" is that whoever knows first that miners stopped enforcing the "op_eval", and knows preimages, can claim the coins for themselves; but they're not 'gone' in the sense of 1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 14:09 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553189 << read what was being said. i do not discuss the matter in outside terms. should WE stop allowing 3-lead addresses, all coins found there will be gone.
mircea_popescu: and in further "holy shit broken linux" news : minigame is endeavouring to keep snapshots of various distros to mitigate the fact that the shitheads in charge tend to break software for no reason. to do this, one needs dkpg, and dkpg-dev (not -devel, mind). which enforces arbitrary python and
httpd version requirements, because why the fuck not.
mircea_popescu: adlai how would the someone convert my copy of the blockchain so that payment would appear to proceed from a 1-lead bitcoin address ?
adlai: or by "stop allowing 3-lead addresses" do you mean "we convince 'chinese conspirators' to soft-fork disable op_equal"
adlai: "addresses" don't actually exist!
mircea_popescu: no ; we release code which ignores attempts to spend 3-whatever addresses ; everyone uses it ; the end.
adlai: payments come from previous outputs
mircea_popescu: fine. we release code which ignores txn which involve 3-whatever addresses on the in side ; everyone uses it ; the end.
adlai: "addresses" tell a ~sender~ how to build an output, so that the recipient can spend it later
mircea_popescu: and in general - "innovation" on top of bitcoin is extremely risky an endeavour. the item itself is the heart of reaction ; and the notion that "nobody would dare" unwind the "developments" of usg.tards runs into the plain statement that i certainly will.
adlai: sure, but there are two kinds of "unwind" here and i'm not sure which you mean. one is roughly "i will not honor a confirmed bitcoin transaction which has inputs coming from a prevout that looked like [op_hash160 <data> op_equal]", whereas the other is "no miner will honor a block containing any such transaction". the former is easy, the latter requires miner collaboration
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if history is any guide, i manage to gather miner support to quash "internet entrepreneurs" of the vc-aspirant variety a whole of a lot more often than the converse.
mircea_popescu: which is the point here : using ANYTHING made by usg.vc.* is risky, and opens one to various liabilities downstream. including among them - that you will be unwound.
ben_vulpes: "addresses" are a murky thing, i've discovered.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 00:44 mircea_popescu: mimisbrunnr is pretty coolbool
mircea_popescu: the whole interface-to-distributed-db thing is broken, not just "wallets" or "accounts"
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 00:45 shinohai: as with links, w3m also barfs on it too
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 17:05 adlai: sure, but there are two kinds of "unwind" here and i'm not sure which you mean. one is roughly "i will not honor a confirmed bitcoin transaction which has inputs coming from a prevout that looked like [op_hash160 <data> op_equal]", whereas the other is "no miner will honor a block containing any such transaction". the former is easy, the latter requires miner collaboration
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 16:43 mircea_popescu: ^ in a shocking development, nsa actually comits to making a thing!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the problem is that it's not rubble. historically, rubble consists of chunks of cut stone, such as marble, that are intrinsically valuable. this shit is simply human filth ; there wasn't much of a business in salvaging the remains of executed camp inmates in nazi germany ; even through they went over it, burned and bone-ground them later.
shinohai: ah ben_vulpes ... today it works for me! I blame a previously unknown debian gremlin
PeterL: <rant> I hate these single spigot fountain beverage dispensers popping up in all the fast-food places (whoopty-doo you can have 1001 flavor combinations, I just want Coke!) so many flavors to choose from, but none of them come out right </rant>
shinohai: Plus, they don't always clear the lines properly leaving you with weird flavors at time
PeterL: I guess I deserve it for going to junk-food (heavy on the junk) places
☟︎ trinque: that shit is terrible for you anyway.
PeterL: Cherry coke - good. Coke flavored with random portion of cherry syrup - bleh
PeterL: yeah, I know how bad it is
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a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
PeterL: is "crippled" bad in this case, or is it good in that it is easier for us to exploit for our own uses?
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: every day PeterL migrates closer in my head to the absolute epitome of midwest.
☟︎ adlai: mircea_popescu: dude there is tons of 'cut stone' here. i don't expect you to visit the non-WoT p2sh.info, but i'll tl;dr for you: there are currently just over 1.8 million btc secured by the goodwill of miners, and a nested ripemd160(sha256(x)) collision
adlai: this is more than satoshi's stash, and probably much easier to salvage, should miners allow it
adlai: (much/all of satoshi's stash is p2pk, not p2pkh, so a secp256k1 compromise will make those pennies ripe for taking)
mircea_popescu: you're confusing topics. the cut stone / non cut stone was a discussion of the "contributions" in the shape of ideas, code, etc ; not of the way they fucked up pre-existing, and unrelated to them, bitcoin
mircea_popescu: anyway ; other than this, asciilifeform is broadly correct re the intended endgame of these various "innovations".
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
adlai: ok ok ok, the issue was thestringpuller's ambiguous use of "rubble", i assumed he meant the coins themselves, you're interpreting it as the 'innovations'. w/e. it's impossible to 'destroy' coins through layers such as p2sh, segwit, drivechain, etc; it just makes coins less tightly controlled, and more dependent on miner goodwill
mircea_popescu: i dunno how you manage to come back to the same vomit. but it is vomit.
adlai: segwit is much worse (or better!) than p2sh in this regard, aiui, you don't even need to find a preimage to spend them
jhvh1: shinohai: [KJV] 2 Peter 2:22 :: But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
adlai: what exactly is vomit? please, point out.... or don't. i'm sitting out of this 'argument', have fun.
mircea_popescu: very simply put : if you use usg.vc.* which * means ANYHING, then anything (which means ANYTHING!) you touch, including your own money, your own bitcoin, your own penis, wife, life, whatever - can be destroyed in the process. and probably will be.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how to make it simpler than that, so there it is.
mircea_popescu: adlai vomit is the notion that you can usg and survive. you can't. if you do anything whatsoever, without any exception at all, that involves them, the only endgame for you is losing it.
mircea_popescu: use 3address ? you will lose your bitcoin. use prb ? you will lose your bitcoin. pick your poison, if it's theirs it's marked.
shinohai: asciilifeform was sadly correct
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 19:50 mircea_popescu: every day PeterL migrates closer in my head to the absolute epitome of midwest.
mircea_popescu: i dunno. it can be or not depending what you're after.
mircea_popescu: (speaking of which, "the rise and fall of the great powers" by kennedy is not altogether a bad book. esp. as "nobody could have predicted" in 1987)
shinohai: I love the bitch, even when she is cruel
shinohai: qntra on that incoming if BingoBoingo gets back
shinohai: It may in fact save your eyes from burning
shinohai: The lulzy part is a darknet market scamming for ~100k though not impossible twas just smash and grab
BingoBoingo: Digging through the link-kive takes time and finess
ben_vulpes: fwiw fluffyponzi claims web wallet is not offline
shinohai: heh it DOES appear to be up now
shinohai: amazing what appearing in tabloid crypto news outlets does for your motivation
shinohai: should correction be added BingoBoingo ?
trinque: that is the correct amount of thigh.
mircea_popescu: from the same source, "don't wrap it and tap it ; tape her and rape her."
mircea_popescu: apparently there's also a "bitch please, cut if before you fuck it"
jhvh1: You are very welcome Daddy
jhvh1: jurov: Error: "hallelujah" is not a valid command.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 01:05 shinohai: I think pete_dushenski mentioned it, don't quote me on that though.
pete_dushenski: the high-s tx in questions is still pending to this very day.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: waldorf school does strange things to a kid
pete_dushenski: y'know you can blog such things (unless you're still on sm)
ben_vulpes: you know, i'm not particularly inclined to put the kids face on my website.
ben_vulpes: odd domestic optimization posts aside.
shinohai: ben_vulpes: I took the liberty of linking to mimi from jhvh1 so one can quickly get page link to specified block
shinohai: guess I could change command to mimi or something, whatever works
pete_dushenski: shinohai: think you can add !~btc.blocks.raw or something to that effect with the '&raw=true' at the end of the url ?
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.