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shinohai: !!up gembira
deedbot: gembira voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: https://whispersystems.org/bigbrother/eastern-virginia-grand-jury/ <<< heh signal got subpoenaed for user data ☟︎
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/ann-mimisbrunnr-v1-a-block-slicer << CH - [ANN] Mimisbrunnr (v1): a block slicer
shinohai: nifty ben_vulpes !
ben_vulpes: thx shinohai!
mod6: nice!
shinohai: " I simply do not support stealth addresses, multisig addresses, or any other power ranger horseshit at this time." ^___________^
ben_vulpes: myeah
trinque: ben_vulpes: neato. can I get anchors for transaction IDs on the block pages?
trinque: and I'll link ya from deedbot.org
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: as in name=<TRANSACTION_HASH>, right?
trinque: (nice thing HEY FEATURE REQUEST PLX)
trinque: yeah
ben_vulpes: (yeah mhm write it down and feed it through the shredder to the right)
ben_vulpes: not until i rewrite the storage layer.
ben_vulpes: would you be happy with indices?
trinque: no; ain't nobody got time for that
ben_vulpes: i'm not doing that immediately because it means either parallelize the hashing of transactions or precompute and cache them.
trinque: I was kidding though; can I look up index in gettransaction or something?
trinque: index might be fine
ben_vulpes: how are you spotting deed confirmations now?
trinque: the damned wallet, cursed be its name ☟︎
ben_vulpes: ick
ben_vulpes: see if you can figure out the tx index within the block
trinque: it's the pigs fault for dressing so slutty
ben_vulpes: lolu
ben_vulpes: if you can be happified with index-in-block for the short term, i'll give you an index anchor.
ben_vulpes off, it's fwednesday
trinque: isn't in gettransaction so neh. I'll just link to the block for now.
trinque: cya!
mircea_popescu: mimisbrunnr is pretty coolbool ☟︎
shinohai: as with links, w3m also barfs on it too ☟︎
shinohai: I still love it
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552559 << append raw=true to url, it says. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 08:55 jurov: if it's in lisp, just dump the sexpr, don't even bother with backwards compat
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553075 << i lolled. because it's sad. because it's true. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 00:37 trinque: the damned wallet, cursed be its name
mod6: i did too. haha
shinohai: mod6 do you still have that issue where yours shows incorrect balance?
mod6: on that one test node of mine ya
shinohai: weird. I still haven't had that happen yet
mod6: well, it'd be interesting to see if it started because of sending a number of high-s txns or something back in Januaray when I was testing that vpatch.
mod6: *shrug* no idea.
mod6: i'll have to check into it.
mod6: someone else has seen this issue too, can't remember who. trinque maybe? anyway, yeah, it's some balderdash.
shinohai: I think pete_dushenski mentioned it, don't quote me on that though. ☟︎
mod6: ah, yeah could be.
trinque: mod6: yeah, I saw it when I didn't specify -lows
trinque: because highs transactions would be malleated to lows, and then the wallet wouldn't notice they confirmed
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553054 << lol shitphone ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 00:21 shinohai: https://whispersystems.org/bigbrother/eastern-virginia-grand-jury/ <<< heh signal got subpoenaed for user data
asciilifeform: Believe Moar Promisetronics
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what means 'Unable to decode destination address.' , http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/blocks?height=432901 ?
asciilifeform: i see quite a few of these.
shinohai: likely one of the prb turds not supported
asciilifeform: i don't grasp how this kind of thing can work without being a hardfork ☟︎
asciilifeform: say i use prb to send C coin to addr A, via some strange method that results in ben_vulpes 'unable to decode'
shinohai: yup, same block shows p2sh addys on blokechain.info where "unable to decode" appears
asciilifeform: does it thereby follow that prb and trb have differing notions of how much coin is contained in A ?
mod6: <+trinque> because highs transactions would be malleated to lows, and then the wallet wouldn't notice they confirmed << aha. right on.
mod6: asciilifeform: huh, weird. looking at block '432901', the first one in the list @ mimisbrunnr that says 'Unable to decode...' is this txn: https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/7affd7cd864678e0ed23a96841c8ef8a76f0df3521a230d94e9d9cf8e1e12dc7/
mod6: and there is a special message there under Estimated Value Sent:
mod6: "Estimated Value Sent" excludes known change addresses. For example, let's say we have a single transaction where address A sends 1 BTC to address B and also 1 BTC back to address A as change, then only 1 BTC is estimated to have been sent. Proper use of a new change address for each transaction (like all HD wallet implementations) obfuscate this feature.
mircea_popescu: trinque actually - wallet does notice the new inbound tx spending from one of its addresses.
mircea_popescu: at least in all prb i know of
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your trb node is not capable to send money from derpy addresses ; which is ok because it's also not able to send to them. other people are more than free to do whatever the fuck they like.
mircea_popescu: currently some miners process, eg, 3-leading bitcoin addresses. while that lasts, trb can send money to you. once it goes away - can send no longer, resulting in some lost bitcoin (practically, sent to unspendable address) ☟︎
asciilifeform: the thing i do not understand is, how does the thing not fork? say i fire up a prbtron and prbsend to A. then fire up trbtron and send same coin to B. ☟︎
asciilifeform: what prevents ?
asciilifeform: possibly answer is, trb thinks i sent it to neverneverland ?
asciilifeform: i could work out the details from prb src, but am loathe to
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/2xuq2/?raw=true !
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: did mircea_popescu ever get his amazon gift cert
thestringpuller: i'll grab it for you if you want
asciilifeform can also
asciilifeform: elsewhere, 'It is indeed a great folk song, and although I don't know this as a fact, it seems to have been inspired by a certain depressive tendency surrounding alcohol. Many people don't quite understand this, but alcohol is an intelligence, along with all other vegetable derivatives and extracts. This isn't negative, but you can definitely tell the difference between a sober German musician and the ones who tread into bars for s
asciilifeform: pirits and the forests for unconventional allies.'
trinque: adlai check it out; there's intelligence in booze.
asciilifeform: quoted this specifically for him.
trinque: lol
thestringpuller: Balmer Peak?
asciilifeform: evidently.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5377DC3F52C67DB02FB2F4CBC7391DDD471AF66B9AFF37F4A5FB782434DC1748 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 99916434751733729770393647 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Shell Arkell <shell@zenrio.net>; '
asciilifeform: blam.
asciilifeform: aw, mirrorolade.
trinque: http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/ << this "zenrio" has shown up before
asciilifeform: that's because it's mirrorolade.
asciilifeform: it will keep coming back, forever.
asciilifeform: with decaying frequency, but will.
asciilifeform: 8ball will keep makin' the rubble bounce.
trinque: from now on I'm gonna have a pang of "OH SHIT, WAS IT THE AMD KEYS?!" every time there's a phuctor rss ☟︎
asciilifeform: ahahaha yes
asciilifeform: and why else do you think i put'em in, trinque .
asciilifeform: we'll be throwing in intel also.
asciilifeform: will also come in handy once we roll out meat phuctoring.
asciilifeform: ('drop privkey here')
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/10/kim-kardashian-bound-gagged-and-robbed-after-social-media-use/ << Qntra - Kim Kardashian Bound, Gagged, and Robbed After Social Media Use
BingoBoingo: !!up fitra
deedbot: fitra voiced for 30 minutes.
fitra: hello
fitra: i want to claim the free bitcoin
fitra: i want to claim the free bitcoin
fitra: i want to claim the free bitcoin
fitra: i want to claim the free bitcoin
asciilifeform: !!down fitra
asciilifeform: revolting.
asciilifeform: what do you use these for, again, mircea_popescu ☟︎
asciilifeform: i cannot picture any use for them, try as i might. ☟︎
asciilifeform: other than biodiesel.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1553050 << what's the draw? phreee wagner 'n cyanide ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 23:15 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyoen going to the coreboot conference in berlin ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552971 << i dun get, why not steal the plaintext shitmail upstream with echelon etc.? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 19:36 shinohai: In "Nobody is shocked" news http://archive.is/Qrd3P
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/10/04/voltaire-money-adnotated-part-1/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Voltaire. Money. Adnotated. Part 1.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553162 << my understanding is that eulora n00bs have value in that they can yield lower-quality raw materials that players with higher skills cannot, and there's a current n00b shortage ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 04:48 asciilifeform: i cannot picture any use for them, try as i might.
lobbes: but I guess you gotta weed through the derps to see if any will stick
mircea_popescu: motherfucker
mircea_popescu: so i just spent every last peso i had, because i was up all night partying
mircea_popescu: spent the past four hours at the fucking hospital italiano,
mircea_popescu: with a chick passing kidney stones
mircea_popescu: because i invented a new manner of tying her hands behind her back and fucking her standing during the weekend
mircea_popescu: and it loosened her calculi. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: true fucking story.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553121 << miners won't mine the 2nd send is what prevents. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 02:26 asciilifeform: the thing i do not understand is, how does the thing not fork? say i fire up a prbtron and prbsend to A. then fire up trbtron and send same coin to B.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553145 >> lol srsly. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 03:54 trinque: from now on I'm gonna have a pang of "OH SHIT, WAS IT THE AMD KEYS?!" every time there's a phuctor rss
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553161 << what, you mean other than this ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 04:47 asciilifeform: what do you use these for, again, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://www.thefalconandthesnowman.com/blog-1
thestringpuller: does mircea_popescu still need amazon gift card?
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553109 << it's done as a soft-fork. the transactions sending to&from P2SH addresses are valid for all nodes, except that miners enforce an additional constraint before confirming spends from such addresses: the preimage of the address must ~also~ execute as a valid script ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 01:26 asciilifeform: i don't grasp how this kind of thing can work without being a hardfork
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553120 << so this is actually incorrect; should miners stop respecting the P2SH softfork, these coins will suddenly become a lot more spendable than before. anybody who can reproduce the input script preimage could spend them, even if they don't know data which would make that preimage script validate ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 01:48 mircea_popescu: currently some miners process, eg, 3-leading bitcoin addresses. while that lasts, trb can send money to you. once it goes away - can send no longer, resulting in some lost bitcoin (practically, sent to unspendable address)
adlai handwaves aside the issue of parsing an the format beginning with a 3; once in the blockchain, these addresses are just: [op_hash160 <preimage> op_equal], which is a valid script for clients going all the way back to satoshi
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah, can you get it ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nevermind, filled.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553181 << i half-expected one or more of'em to pop. but they did not. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 06:25 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553145 >> lol srsly.
mircea_popescu: would have been kinda huge.
asciilifeform: though if i could get at the rom, betcha it will not be necessary to break the rsa key. there is some unwritten rule whereby the fritz sig authenticators are always porous.
mircea_popescu: doesn't your local uni allow access to a microscope ?
asciilifeform: it is, likely, because usg does not like to use stolen key to sign its 'tailored victim' crud, far too attributable
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the uni barely allows access to the motherfucking bus from the train station, for plebes.
asciilifeform: and i recently found that the dining hall can only be entered by folks with correct fingerprint.
asciilifeform: (why - was a mystery, it still takes money)
mircea_popescu: weird. in yurp you can taxi pretty much any and all uni gear.
PeterL: they do not want "random guy off street" "causing problems for students"
mircea_popescu: ie, pointing and laughing at whatever "rape" "black lives matter" "occupy wallstreet" etc fashion of the day ?
asciilifeform: fwiw when i was a very, very paying customer, there was still no access to microscope.
PeterL: or making the precious snowflakes feel insecure
asciilifeform: PeterL: that probably isn't it, because there are still stinking hobos in the computer labs.
mircea_popescu: how to produce an esltard ? keep kids isolated among themselves with a steady diet of cancerous shit from idiots like what's his face
PeterL: just find grad student who has access, offer to slip him some cash
asciilifeform: i suspect they are slowly phasing in 'dude X was in place Y at time T' anti-hooliganism/generic preparation for usgschwitz tracking systems.
mircea_popescu: john oliver.
mircea_popescu: then wonder wtf is wrong with them. well... how about "they didn't suck any 30yo dick when they were 16."
asciilifeform: at any rate, it isn't as if i needed 10 minutes with the thing.
asciilifeform: decapping, delayering, imaging a modern cpu is not a lunch break project.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553189 << read what was being said. i do not discuss the matter in outside terms. should WE stop allowing 3-lead addresses, all coins found there will be gone. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 10:49 adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553120 << so this is actually incorrect; should miners stop respecting the P2SH softfork, these coins will suddenly become a lot more spendable than before. anybody who can reproduce the input script preimage could spend them, even if they don't know data which would make that preimage script validate
asciilifeform: and i am quite uncertain whether in this pesthole there even ~exists~ the requisite instrument.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform per-hour cost of car with driver (another ~70k item) is about 100 bux give or take. youget teh idea.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, this would be great for reddit. "Hi. I live in <ZIP> and I need access to {list} instrument in order to explore the AMD chip so and so. Anyone know anyone ?"
asciilifeform: how do you sneak a month of instrument time ?
asciilifeform: this is not an hour of cab.
asciilifeform: (and the analogy, sadly, falls down, consider how many autos there are, and how many - microscopes.)
PeterL: presumably if you are paying by hour to use you are not sneaking?
asciilifeform: if i were paying by hour, it may well add up to most of the cost of the instrument.
asciilifeform: and fuck, i would buy one right now, if i had where to put !
asciilifeform: as often is the case, it is ~space~ that is the expensive piece, in this particular zimbabwe.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: it's only about 50sqft or so
asciilifeform: (in mircea_popescu's zimbabwe, it could be the microscope that is expensive, or even unobtainable other than by boat)
mircea_popescu: nah, this zimbabwe is like pre-collapse soviets. govt pays for it, you use it for beer.
asciilifeform: ftr, if the amd turd is anything like other recent similar, you will also need ion beam machine
asciilifeform: (rom will be difficult to read passively, and the most practical way would be to restore whatever antifuses they blew that prevent debugging of the fritz core, and attach debug probe.)
mircea_popescu: i thought metal is extremely visible in electron microscopy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/90vci/?raw=true
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: sorry for missing your message I was ptfo by then.
thestringpuller: Gotta figure out how you are able to manage the Napoleon sleep schedule.
shinohai: Don't sleep at Waterloo. Just sayin'
shinohai: !!up btcforchild
deedbot: btcforchild voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it
btcforchild: !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/y36mu/?raw=true
deedbot: 4E0B0F442A0407AEF731ECCFC883F93EF7E4980E registered as btcforchild.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C961D62D59B78442DB2FA4C4ABC4CE874FE0E95418BBDA01785049DB58B02591 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.73.12 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.73.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/21B9669858203080326DB86F3AB1B88D51F892D38F17EA587F71640F604BA7AD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.65.247 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.65.247 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4E7AC0EEF980D94B18797FD2B95C091C4EAC05B15C9FCB329825F05B81B8D903 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.65.245 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.65.245 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
PeterL: is there a way to make pgp use something other than sha1 for clearsigning?
shinohai: Change it under personal digest preferences in .conf?
PeterL: umm, where is .conf stored?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i dunno man, can't say i try even
shinohai: ~/.gnupg
PeterL: darn hidden files ... thanks shinohai
shinohai: np
mircea_popescu: PeterL yes ; and you should. everyone should ; this is a recurring topic, so plox : http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-16#877599 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-10-16 14:00 mircea_popescu: btw, cazalla bingoboingo and everyone else in the same situation : if the blob gpg spits out when you sign contains a SHA1 you are using the older, and perhaps not all that secure digest algo. you should move on to sha512 either with --digest-algo SHA512 or else edit gpg.conf to insert personal-digest-preferences SHA512 SHA384 SHA256
mircea_popescu: !!key btcforchild
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/ubabz/?raw=true
PeterL: changing the hash algo - one of those little things which should be in the "everything you should know when you start using a computer" list
PeterL: !!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xx7so/?raw=true
deedbot: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that lol. starting your own segwit altcoin ?
PeterL: that is for possible future reference
PeterL: if needed
mircea_popescu: aha.
PeterL: might be random noise, might be top secret leak, who knows?
mircea_popescu: right.
shinohai: It's Pieter Wuille's death certificate, that'll be 1 BTC plox
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-september-2016-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), September 2016 Statement
mircea_popescu: ^ in a shocking development, nsa actually comits to making a thing! ☟︎
asciilifeform: aha
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553217 << i don't understand what you mean. the only sense in which coins will be "gone" is that whoever knows first that miners stopped enforcing the "op_eval", and knows preimages, can claim the coins for themselves; but they're not 'gone' in the sense of 1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 14:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553189 << read what was being said. i do not discuss the matter in outside terms. should WE stop allowing 3-lead addresses, all coins found there will be gone.
mircea_popescu: and in further "holy shit broken linux" news : minigame is endeavouring to keep snapshots of various distros to mitigate the fact that the shitheads in charge tend to break software for no reason. to do this, one needs dkpg, and dkpg-dev (not -devel, mind). which enforces arbitrary python and httpd version requirements, because why the fuck not.
mircea_popescu: it's insanely deep, this fucking swamp.
mircea_popescu: adlai how would the someone convert my copy of the blockchain so that payment would appear to proceed from a 1-lead bitcoin address ?
adlai: or by "stop allowing 3-lead addresses" do you mean "we convince 'chinese conspirators' to soft-fork disable op_equal"
adlai: "addresses" don't actually exist!
mircea_popescu: no ; we release code which ignores attempts to spend 3-whatever addresses ; everyone uses it ; the end.
adlai: payments come from previous outputs
mircea_popescu: fine. we release code which ignores txn which involve 3-whatever addresses on the in side ; everyone uses it ; the end.
adlai: "addresses" tell a ~sender~ how to build an output, so that the recipient can spend it later
mircea_popescu: and in general - "innovation" on top of bitcoin is extremely risky an endeavour. the item itself is the heart of reaction ; and the notion that "nobody would dare" unwind the "developments" of usg.tards runs into the plain statement that i certainly will.
adlai: sure, but there are two kinds of "unwind" here and i'm not sure which you mean. one is roughly "i will not honor a confirmed bitcoin transaction which has inputs coming from a prevout that looked like [op_hash160 <data> op_equal]", whereas the other is "no miner will honor a block containing any such transaction". the former is easy, the latter requires miner collaboration ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so it does.
mircea_popescu: if history is any guide, i manage to gather miner support to quash "internet entrepreneurs" of the vc-aspirant variety a whole of a lot more often than the converse.
mircea_popescu: which is the point here : using ANYTHING made by usg.vc.* is risky, and opens one to various liabilities downstream. including among them - that you will be unwound.
ben_vulpes: "addresses" are a murky thing, i've discovered.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553084 << thanks! but to quote, "just you wait, henry higgins. just you wait." ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 00:44 mircea_popescu: mimisbrunnr is pretty coolbool
mircea_popescu: the whole interface-to-distributed-db thing is broken, not just "wallets" or "accounts"
ben_vulpes: noshit
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553085 << looks fine to me, but nevertheless i'm not interested in fighting browsers over table rendering. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 00:45 shinohai: as with links, w3m also barfs on it too
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you could use divs...
thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553284 << i wonder if in the future, when the earthquake hits all this "layered innovation", if there will be business in salvaging the rubble (i.e. that spend-all NOOP shit miners are to view as 5 wheel solution) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 17:05 adlai: sure, but there are two kinds of "unwind" here and i'm not sure which you mean. one is roughly "i will not honor a confirmed bitcoin transaction which has inputs coming from a prevout that looked like [op_hash160 <data> op_equal]", whereas the other is "no miner will honor a block containing any such transaction". the former is easy, the latter requires miner collaboration
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-433006.txt
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553270 << I would buy an in-WoT RNG yesterday. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 16:43 mircea_popescu: ^ in a shocking development, nsa actually comits to making a thing!
mircea_popescu: ikr?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu:
ben_vulpes: sorry, misfire
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the problem is that it's not rubble. historically, rubble consists of chunks of cut stone, such as marble, that are intrinsically valuable. this shit is simply human filth ; there wasn't much of a business in salvaging the remains of executed camp inmates in nazi germany ; even through they went over it, burned and bone-ground them later.
shinohai: ah ben_vulpes ... today it works for me! I blame a previously unknown debian gremlin
PeterL: <rant> I hate these single spigot fountain beverage dispensers popping up in all the fast-food places (whoopty-doo you can have 1001 flavor combinations, I just want Coke!) so many flavors to choose from, but none of them come out right </rant>
shinohai: Plus, they don't always clear the lines properly leaving you with weird flavors at time
PeterL: I guess I deserve it for going to junk-food (heavy on the junk) places ☟︎
trinque: that shit is terrible for you anyway.
PeterL: Cherry coke - good. Coke flavored with random portion of cherry syrup - bleh
PeterL: yeah, I know how bad it is
PeterL: !!v 0E758089768DECACC658B03122394CCE1711DDFFA9DE31FFAC09001694057AEE
deedbot: PeterL rated trinque 1 << made deedbot
PeterL: !!v 709360E31CAA0B7E12E52ABA1D26BE3718E8234A6E0BD161687AED5673961BC9
deedbot: PeterL rated asciilifeform 1 << the real brains around here
PeterL: !!v 8B2A8DFB32D319BF6FF99D6F7EDA3DD86A3F03C8F185060EE9F9986481AAA5EA
deedbot: PeterL rated mod6 1 << the real bitcoin foundation
PeterL: !!v 90DA7BF1367248CCDAC6AEAF7778EEAE0DF035D0D8FF82A32FC7525930775566
deedbot: PeterL rated ben_vulpes 1 << the real bitcoin foundation
ben_vulpes waves at PeterL
mod6: PeterL: o7
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552690 << any notion of the odds on apu2 being useful for the republic, asciilifeform ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: only if that amd key phuctors. or the idiocy in subj thread is finessed in some other way.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i won't be touching this one, not for a long while. got full hands.
PeterL: is "crippled" bad in this case, or is it good in that it is easier for us to exploit for our own uses?
asciilifeform: the former.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1trU
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: every day PeterL migrates closer in my head to the absolute epitome of midwest. ☟︎
adlai: mircea_popescu: dude there is tons of 'cut stone' here. i don't expect you to visit the non-WoT p2sh.info, but i'll tl;dr for you: there are currently just over 1.8 million btc secured by the goodwill of miners, and a nested ripemd160(sha256(x)) collision
adlai: this is more than satoshi's stash, and probably much easier to salvage, should miners allow it
adlai: (much/all of satoshi's stash is p2pk, not p2pkh, so a secp256k1 compromise will make those pennies ripe for taking)
mircea_popescu: you're confusing topics. the cut stone / non cut stone was a discussion of the "contributions" in the shape of ideas, code, etc ; not of the way they fucked up pre-existing, and unrelated to them, bitcoin
mircea_popescu: anyway ; other than this, asciilifeform is broadly correct re the intended endgame of these various "innovations".
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo Ignore first submission and use this revised one plz http://ix.io/1ts3
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
adlai: ok ok ok, the issue was thestringpuller's ambiguous use of "rubble", i assumed he meant the coins themselves, you're interpreting it as the 'innovations'. w/e. it's impossible to 'destroy' coins through layers such as p2sh, segwit, drivechain, etc; it just makes coins less tightly controlled, and more dependent on miner goodwill
mircea_popescu: it's quite possible to destroy coins, yes.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how you manage to come back to the same vomit. but it is vomit.
adlai: segwit is much worse (or better!) than p2sh in this regard, aiui, you don't even need to find a preimage to spend them
shinohai: !~bible 2 Peter 2:22 ☟︎
jhvh1: shinohai: [KJV] 2 Peter 2:22 :: But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
adlai: what exactly is vomit? please, point out.... or don't. i'm sitting out of this 'argument', have fun.
mircea_popescu: very simply put : if you use usg.vc.* which * means ANYHING, then anything (which means ANYTHING!) you touch, including your own money, your own bitcoin, your own penis, wife, life, whatever - can be destroyed in the process. and probably will be.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how to make it simpler than that, so there it is.
mircea_popescu: adlai vomit is the notion that you can usg and survive. you can't. if you do anything whatsoever, without any exception at all, that involves them, the only endgame for you is losing it.
mircea_popescu: use 3address ? you will lose your bitcoin. use prb ? you will lose your bitcoin. pick your poison, if it's theirs it's marked.
lobbes: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-10-05.log.html#t16:53:23 << and thus we can conclude that the tardstalk folk aren't even worth their weight in biodiesel. Ah well
mircea_popescu: lobbes can't say i didn't try.
shinohai: asciilifeform was sadly correct
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553330 << is being "epitome of midwest" a good thing? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 19:50 mircea_popescu: every day PeterL migrates closer in my head to the absolute epitome of midwest.
mircea_popescu: i dunno. it can be or not depending what you're after.
mircea_popescu: kinda how epitomy works.
mircea_popescu: (speaking of which, "the rise and fall of the great powers" by kennedy is not altogether a bad book. esp. as "nobody could have predicted" in 1987)
asciilifeform will be operating on a pulsed, rather than continuous-wave duty cycle for next week or so, plox to pm if something is desperately broken, if you are in my l1, siren will go off, eventually will answer.
ben_vulpes: bon chance!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you know chance's a woman.
shinohai: I love the bitch, even when she is cruel
ben_vulpes: rebroadcasting from the heathens: https://cointelegraph.com/news/monero-loses-darknet-market-in-apparent-exit-scam
shinohai: qntra on that incoming if BingoBoingo gets back
mircea_popescu will wait and read teh qntra
shinohai: It may in fact save your eyes from burning
mircea_popescu: i believe.
BingoBoingo: lulzchecking
shinohai: The lulzy part is a darknet market scamming for ~100k though not impossible twas just smash and grab
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/10/oasis-drained-while-major-monero-webwallet-languishes-offline/ << Qntra - Oasis Drained While Major Monero Webwallet Languishes Offline
mircea_popescu: aww.
BingoBoingo: Digging through the link-kive takes time and finess
shinohai: ty BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: fwiw fluffyponzi claims web wallet is not offline
ben_vulpes does not care, simply amused
shinohai: heh it DOES appear to be up now
ben_vulpes: something's returning html
mircea_popescu: in other news http://67.media.tumblr.com/79a6579f8bbc0400cae64fd3fff1ee55/tumblr_ni31xj6TXp1tfytxzo1_500.gif
shinohai: amazing what appearing in tabloid crypto news outlets does for your motivation
shinohai: should correction be added BingoBoingo ?
trinque: that is the correct amount of thigh.
mircea_popescu: from the same source, "don't wrap it and tap it ; tape her and rape her."
shinohai: lol
mircea_popescu: apparently there's also a "bitch please, cut if before you fuck it"
mircea_popescu: who knew this is such a theme
BingoBoingo: shinohai: corrected
shinohai: ty
shinohai: sorry
shinohai: !~ty
jhvh1: You are very welcome Daddy
jurov: !~hallelujah
jhvh1: jurov: Error: "hallelujah" is not a valid command.
ben_vulpes: https://gcaptain.com/photos-show-catastrophic-damage-to-hsv-swift-following-missile-attack/ << in case anyone's curious what the littoral combat ships will look like in another decade
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-05#1553099 << right you are, alfalant-in-training ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-05 01:05 shinohai: I think pete_dushenski mentioned it, don't quote me on that though.
pete_dushenski: the high-s tx in questions is still pending to this very day.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: nifty work on the new tool yo
pete_dushenski: who knew you were so... norse
pete_dushenski: you one-a those mythical blue-eyed jews ?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: waldorf school does strange things to a kid
ben_vulpes: you should see the kid though
pete_dushenski: apparently so
pete_dushenski: ya ?
pete_dushenski: y'know you can blog such things (unless you're still on sm)
ben_vulpes: veritably golden locks
pete_dushenski: bad ass
ben_vulpes: you know, i'm not particularly inclined to put the kids face on my website.
ben_vulpes: 'daddy blogger' i r not.
mircea_popescu: and in other "faces of competence", http://66.media.tumblr.com/aab1622bf11c5840338258672c38952a/tumblr_nhtvxqWe9h1tvhieuo2_500.gif
shinohai: That makes you sane.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: not surprised
ben_vulpes: odd domestic optimization posts aside.
ben_vulpes off to don the commuter yeti
shinohai: ben_vulpes: I took the liberty of linking to mimi from jhvh1 so one can quickly get page link to specified block
pete_dushenski: o.O nice. what's the command ?
pete_dushenski will update directory
shinohai: !~btc.blocks 512
jhvh1: http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/blocks?height=512
pete_dushenski: win.
shinohai: guess I could change command to mimi or something, whatever works
pete_dushenski: i'd suggest leaving it. it's easier to remember as-is
shinohai: worx for me
mircea_popescu: o nice shinohai
pete_dushenski: shinohai: think you can add !~btc.blocks.raw or something to that effect with the '&raw=true' at the end of the url ?
shinohai: sure
shinohai: !~Alias add btc.blocks.raw echo "http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/blocks?height=$1&raw=true"
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~btc.blocks.raw 34
jhvh1: http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/blocks?height=34&raw=true