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mircea_popescu: lol! dat "he got everything wrong but the subject is interesting".
pete_dushenski is digging patrick mckenzie's blog
pete_dushenski: it even has pgp pubkey block... gpg v1.4.10!
phf: well, i suspect he's got his facts right, but the commentary is dodgy
mircea_popescu: i don't even doubt the label, i just find it amusing.
mircea_popescu: like "fish, delicious and healthy!" label on a caserole in the discount yesterday's icebox.
mircea_popescu: yes, fish in general is delicious and healthy.
pete_dushenski: or sign on car rotting on mechanic's lot : "needs work to get running but a smooth driver!"
phf: look, the margins are thin and the fish gotta go, you buying or what
mircea_popescu: i'm buying, i'm buying.
mircea_popescu does exactly this on occasion, feeds cats.
phf: is buenos aires like istanbul, street cat culture?
mircea_popescu: not quite, lots of dogs being tortured on small terraces, apartments, 3sq feet of concrete behind bars (srsly, pair of dogs, COULDNT EVEN STRETCH OUT!).
mircea_popescu: but there's still plenty of cats.
phf: somehow makes total sense from all the other argentina points
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: and this nation, that to my knowledge has furthest perfected the art of pointlessly but with extreme callous cruelty torturing man's oldest and best friend, nevertheless considers itself full of dog lovers.
mircea_popescu: they actually say this, "i'm a dog lover". then you meet the dog, and the general effect is "i love kids" guy with a fridge full of kid parts.
ben_vulpes: urban dog owners, man.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm enjoying reading this kalzumeus piece on japanese culture. it's like japan consists of the 1950s mob.
ben_vulpes: oh, it's mckenzie's turn huh? how'd he escape the eye of sauron for so long?
mircea_popescu: prolly, his employer skulldruggery.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580071 << asciilifeform also feeds catz☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 00:55 mircea_popescu does exactly this on occasion, feeds cats.
asciilifeform: the orbiting beasts have doubled and doubled in size...
ben_vulpes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12464775
mircea_popescu: wtf is starfighter.
mircea_popescu: " about: THOMAS H. PTACEK hopes, by strict attention to business, combined with moderate charges, to merit a fair share of patronage and support."
ben_vulpes: :D
ben_vulpes: hiring gauntlet as a service
mircea_popescu: !#s tptacek
a111: 8 results for "tptacek", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tptacek
trinque: http://www.kalzumeus.com/2015/03/09/announcing-starfighter/
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes oh, like ProctologyU
ben_vulpes: i have no idea
mircea_popescu: o wait, liek minigame except failed ?
mircea_popescu: aww!
mircea_popescu: "One’s actual salary as a salaryman is generally rather low — about $100 per year of age per month, as an engineer in Nagoya (set by a particular monopsonistic engineering employer near Nagoya). In Tokyo, my sense of the market is that, as an intermediate engineer in his early thirties, I’d probably command somewhere between $30k and $60k. (In Silicon Valley, the going rate would be somewhere between $120k and $160k and
mircea_popescu: increasing rapidly.)"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha get the fuck out.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying that your "sense of the market" indicates that as an intermediate starlet in her 30s you'd probably command between 1 and 3 mn pa because hey, that's what bravo/seveteen/cosmo/whatever said christina applegate was making at some point in 2006 when she was 32 and was doing three different things.
mircea_popescu: except she is "intermediate" among the people actually making money ; not among the people aspiring to be used, which is still not the same as making money. you could just as well say tom cook is an intermediate manager (in the sense that bezos is clearly better and whoever they have at microsoft, that indian fellow, clearly worse), so you figure ten years after getting your degree from ohio state business school you'll be pu
mircea_popescu: lling in like 25mn + options.
mircea_popescu: "as an intermediate manager"
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mircea_popescu: "When I met her mother for the first time, I brought my resume and tax returns. Her mother was not 100% keen on the match when we started dating, as a combination of “foreigner” and “not gainfully employed” suggested that I was not exactly marriage material, but I eventually won her over."
mircea_popescu: holy shit these people...
mircea_popescu: how does this dude expect to be taken seriously, by anyone, like ever ?
mircea_popescu: i know dogs that are more respectable.
pete_dushenski: not japanese dogs
mircea_popescu: well i don't know any japanese dogs at all.
mircea_popescu: da fuck, empowering old women, wtf is this. whatever happened to bitch, if you talk out of line i'll burn you alive.
mod6: yeah, srsly. "here's my tax returns." wat?!
mircea_popescu: mod6 and these are the dorks who go "oh, midwest, flyover zone". really ? flyover zone for what, your ballsac in a sling ?
pete_dushenski: respect for elders in jp folx is like fried chicken for blacks - goes hand-in-hand
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski respect for the elders is predicated upon the stable basis of them elders having earned enough life experience to know better than getting in my way.
mircea_popescu: this is a young idiot mistake, not an elder mistake.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: only for values of 'my way' that resolve to mircea_popescu and similar, which'd be rare enough to mostly ignore in jp. or else, sure, in a world where ol' ladies be gettin' torched leftrightandcentre, gramma opens the door for you, not the other way around.
phf: that's what i'm saying though, these are like nifty anthropological studies by very inept anthropologists. you learn more about the author, than...
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski all the warning signs are there. to wit : "(The hypothesis was advanced, more than once, that as a foreigner who routinely travels abroad, speaks Spanish, and has money without any evidence of gainful employment, I was probably a drug dealer. I wish I were joking.)"
mircea_popescu: now, it is true that you don't have to deal drugs to accumulate power ; nor because you accumulated it. but it is supremely unwise to imagine one's not going to crack a few skulls if it comes to it.
mircea_popescu: phf myeah.
pete_dushenski: phf: the authors aren't highly cultured and esteemed envoys from foreign lands, they're just... regular blokes.
mircea_popescu: would you think an elder who ineptly harasses a drug dealer is particularly respectable ?
pete_dushenski: ofc not, so 'drug dealer' is obv a snide remark, not actually positied theory
pete_dushenski: posited*
mircea_popescu: ~if i am~ a drug dealer and i burn down your house, you'll what ? file a police report ? go on the local news network with a teary eyed "no one could have predicted that if i get pissy with people who break the law for a living i might end up with a burned down house" ?
pete_dushenski: apparently the 'big city' of tokyo or wherever isn't part of the jp where triads ARE the law, financiers, drug dealers, etc etc.
phf: pete_dushenski: sure, but my comment stands. when you read travel diaries in general they all have the same format, it's just this particular one reads like "in my country of Kazakhstan we shoot dog, i couldn't find any places to shoot dogs in so called civilized england"
mircea_popescu notes for the record that in 1916, man considering the mitzvah of accepting a cunt in his household was given money, and no insignificant portion thereof, by the ever-delighted parents.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck these "men" have managed to turn that into the above quote in one short century is anyone's guess.
pete_dushenski: phf: to be sure
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this hasn't changed in 100 years, but still depends ~where~ we're discussing.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
pete_dushenski: father-in-laws can be, and in my fortunate experience are, still grateful sobs
pete_dushenski: from whom, yes, honey flows.
mircea_popescu: one time, the dad of this chick (/me is very old school, always insisted in meeting the parents of all molls) asked me if i have serious intentions. so i asked him if she's a virgin.
pete_dushenski guesses that quantity of honey depends on the degree of f-i-l's personal means, how many girls he's burdened with, and how much of a stud the s-i-l is.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol. good comeback. and yes, gotta meet parents, ideally even before formal courtship begins or else within first two weeks of commencement.
mircea_popescu: generally after first fuck.
mircea_popescu: here, too, on coupla of occasion took girl over sunday noon that i had met saturday night at bdsm club no less. resulting in some appropriately spooked parents.
pete_dushenski: which should be within first two weeks :p
pete_dushenski would very much one day like to see what these bdsm clubs are all about, preferably with mircea_popescu as guide, for he presently has nfi what he's missing out on.
mircea_popescu: nomina nuda, mostly.
mircea_popescu: i thought you lived in something that passes for urban center in the frozen wastes ?
mircea_popescu: i'm sure they must have one.
pete_dushenski: this is where i sheepishly admit that there could be one across the street but that i've not yet encountered anyone who's admitted to knowledge of its whereabouts. though given that 'edmonton ab' showed up on a few of the fetlife meatlist, you sorta have to figure there must be ~something~ of the sort in a town >1mn pop.
mircea_popescu: eh, they probably advertise.
mircea_popescu: !~google edmonton bdsm club
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Edmonton O Society - BDSM Education Society | BDSM Education ...: <http://edmontonosociety.org/>; Meetings | Edmonton O Society - BDSM Education Society: <http://edmontonosociety.org/meetings/>; Edmonton - domination and BDSM services - backpage.com: <http://edmonton.backpage.com/Domination/>
mircea_popescu: there lol. sign up for a meeting, take wifey along.
pete_dushenski: haha there are worse ideas
pete_dushenski: bbiab. to inquire!
mircea_popescu: a munch is generally just dicking around a food court, child safe sort of events.
mircea_popescu: course seems the last for the year was o wait, you have one on 14th.
ben_vulpes: rip john glenn apparently
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mircea_popescu: he was really old wasn't he ?
ben_vulpes: ya, rather
mircea_popescu: this tiny may bug like creature is having the time of its life over on the db in jp monitor. i've never seen one so happy.
mircea_popescu: i don't get this fizzbuzz thing. someone explain it to me ? for i from 1 to 100 do if i is divisible by 3 j+="Fizz" ; if i is divisible by 5 j+="Buzz" if j is null j = i print j.
mircea_popescu: am i nuts or something ? wtf "I think Fizz-Buzz is "hard" for some programmers because (#1) it doesn't fit into any of the patterns that were given to them in school assignments, and (#2) it isn't possible to directly and simply represent the necessary tests, without duplication, in just about any commonly-used modern programming language." (as per http://wiki.c2.com/?FizzBuzzTest )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580107 << ahahahahahahahahaha http://123.103.245.144/index.html 'Quanta Megarac' '(C) COPYRIGHT American Megatrends Inc. 2008-2009'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 01:27 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AAF7663C0AECC17FC31935B62259B2A1A4700A0EAE5AB14624B296023EEF258C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1489...4207 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '123.103.245.144 (ssh-rsa key from 123.103.245.144 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown HK)
asciilifeform: remote admin for some godforsaken serv mobo
mircea_popescu: still on seven years later...
asciilifeform: you can trivially enumerate users ('admin', for instance, confirms to exist...)
asciilifeform: nfi what else, there is probably a vendor backdoor, i cannot be arsed
asciilifeform: (stoooodent project!11111)
mircea_popescu: evidently.
asciilifeform: this is one of those fabled ipmi cards mircea_popescu spoke of in earlier thread.
mircea_popescu: one of these is going to turn out to be whatever supersecret bullshit someone put online because idiots and everyone's going to lose their shit.
asciilifeform: apparently whitelabeled by number of folx, incl. dell
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580164 << it was a pons asinorum, a 'write hello world' exam to weed out applicants who 1) cannot program to save their life 2) memorized 'hello world' to fool examinators☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 02:30 mircea_popescu: i don't get this fizzbuzz thing. someone explain it to me ? for i from 1 to 100 do if i is divisible by 3 j+="Fizz" ; if i is divisible by 5 j+="Buzz" if j is null j = i print j.
mircea_popescu: but what i specifically take issue with is the claim that "There is no clear way in any languages". what the heck ?
asciilifeform: believe or not, (1) is pestilentially common in usa, and has been for decade+, and (2) is also met with regularly
asciilifeform goes and unwinds mega-log
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform should probably poop more often
asciilifeform: lel
asciilifeform: 'captain's log'
ben_vulpes: did everything come out all right?
mircea_popescu: lmao
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580131 << 'where, sir, i SHOULD PUT THIS!!???' (tm) (r)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 01:47 phf: pete_dushenski: sure, but my comment stands. when you read travel diaries in general they all have the same format, it's just this particular one reads like "in my country of Kazakhstan we shoot dog, i couldn't find any places to shoot dogs in so called civilized england"
mircea_popescu: holy shit! the page itself claims there is a simple structure... BUt ONLY FOR LISP
mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit, "use separate variable, test the number test variable if empty" can be written in fucking bash.
mircea_popescu: what is with these obnoxious prigs already.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580145 << mircea_popescu showed one during c3. picture a ~packed~ lift, with alcohol served☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 01:55 pete_dushenski would very much one day like to see what these bdsm clubs are all about, preferably with mircea_popescu as guide, for he presently has nfi what he's missing out on.
mircea_popescu: not even that far off.
asciilifeform: ~same dress level, ~same folx standing in corners, etc
mircea_popescu: there was some nudity wasn't there ?
asciilifeform: i saw an arse cheek iirc
asciilifeform: singular.
mircea_popescu: buttlift.
asciilifeform: re 'buzz' test, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569804☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 16:58 asciilifeform: (at a recent hellhole where asciilifeform worked, they marched in folx with perfect marks, many magister degrees in 'sciences', etc., who COULD NOT PROGRAM)
mircea_popescu: i don't even see how the fuck this is programming.
mircea_popescu: srsly now. can they stock their pantry, these people ?
asciilifeform: what pantry, 'talk into clownface for food pellet'
asciilifeform: it's a helloworld, a litmus to see whether esteemed mr. orc has even heard of the notion of programming a computer
asciilifeform: last time asciilifeform went around to look for work, saw an astonishing variety of olympiad puzzles
asciilifeform: 'here's 20 pgs of c, find 3 exploitable bugs'
mircea_popescu: should have given you emacs macros instead :D
asciilifeform: 'here's a pg of obdjump -D .., say what is the routine'
asciilifeform: etc
asciilifeform: some outfits had 'olympiad' so gnarly that it was given 'takehome'
asciilifeform: nothing prizeworthy, because wtf, think someone wants to sit and make up real prize problem.. but it wasn't all low-effort crapola either.
asciilifeform: there was even one 'tbtf' corp where they wheeled in a pc-cum-tv thing and ida...
mircea_popescu: o.O
asciilifeform: olympiads are a desperation measure, when i sat on other end of the table i resorted to them also
asciilifeform: degrees -- worthless; people pretending to know what computer is but came straight from donkey - ubiquitous
ben_vulpes: us degrees are worse than worthless, they're an actual burden. holders generally have such an inflated opinion of themselves and blown up cashflow needs due to student loans they're nigh unemployable.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ~old~ (relatively) degrees -- still worth ~something, occasionally
mircea_popescu: no ben_vulpes has it ; degrees are anti-signal.
ben_vulpes: and the old folks who bear them, occasionally as well.
mircea_popescu: very inflexible curs with outsized "needs".
ben_vulpes: the lifetime of coddling doesn't make managing them any easier either.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think you are describing 'old folx', not necessarily diplomaed
mircea_popescu: old folks as in bio age i usually have an easy enough time with ; young folks who aspire to be employed however are aged beyond their age, like touched by the fucking vorlons.
mircea_popescu: i actually told a 29 yo "i know a guy who's 92 and a lot more flexible than you".
mircea_popescu: which incidentally was true at the time.
asciilifeform: does army service count as 'employ' for the purpose of mircea_popescu's disdainful eye ?
mircea_popescu: well no, i've never had the pleasure of hiring for the army.
asciilifeform: sketch plox the inflexible 29yo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform (i suspect we may be talking at cross purposes)
asciilifeform: hm possibly
mircea_popescu: ah. the inflexible 29 yo had this very obnoxious penchant for trying to restate any problem in specific terms as per his textbook.
asciilifeform: aaaah THEM!!
mircea_popescu: needless to say this produced "correct" responses through the insufferable avenue of missing out on the problem.
mircea_popescu: this is about as useful as an "expert system".
asciilifeform: if not mega-seekrit, what sort of worker was he pretending to be..?
mircea_popescu: the 92 yo i had in mind specifically was http://trilema.com/2010/la-munca-cu-negrii/#selection-37.0-37.88
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform systems engineer
asciilifeform: it always boggled my imagination, how these folx pick a thing to 'be'
asciilifeform: why not go across the street and pretend to be some other thing. why came to our door.
mircea_popescu: from what i heard from all other shops, they do. it's like asking why has superluminous tachyon decided to bless your apparatus.
asciilifeform: the unspoken but correct answer is 'if i go and pretend to be a real liberal-profession, lawyer, airline pilot, i will go to jail'
mircea_popescu: hey - other ones blessed mrs jones' urethra etc
mircea_popescu waves at lobbes
mircea_popescu: "For example, when I first came to Japan, I had no computer. I also had no money, because the plane ticket and setting up my household ate all of my savings. In America, this isn’t a barrier to getting a computer, because Dell will do a quick FICO score on you and then happily extend you $2,000 of trade credit."
mircea_popescu: for the love of all that's holy. who does this ? WHO ?
asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20140302045958/http://my.opera.com/Vorlath/blog/2012/04/20/math-why-there-is-disagreement-on-cantors-diagonal-argument << strictly for pro entomologists. cantorist crackpot! and here i thought that the last one died in '99 or so, usenetron in hand...
asciilifeform: think, ~disagreement~ !111
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who does what
asciilifeform: move with 0 money and 0 prospects, living by wits ? i thought mircea_popescu was proponent of this for young folx
mircea_popescu: the approximate equivalent of "umm... hi fortified city, here is my siege. i... uhhh... i ate all the horses on the way over. and burned the trebuchets. surrender now ?"
asciilifeform: hey maybe they watched mircea_popescu take city with bare teeth and want also.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was living under the impression that i am reading the faits d'armes of adule male. for some reason.
asciilifeform goes back and actually reads subj
mircea_popescu: wtf is this "disagreement" holy hell.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/23F4D70A532D06432B7710D4685138EB5DB19B3AD816EFD65D4E8158E361E79C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1548...9783 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.98.75.157 (ssh-rsa key from 79.98.75.157 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (79-98-75-157.sys-data.com. CZ ST)
ben_vulpes: !~later tell Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/ << 404s
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: 403 i mean
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579712 << there is yet no futures market principally because agreement among the major players keeps the prices stable. the reasonings through which that agreement is distilled however are getting ever more complex ; this yet holds because everyone involved has a brain the size of staten island and can mostly follow the intricacies + a patience the size of a larger planet's ice caps, so they☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 13:02 Framedragger: diana_coman: ah, good idea, thanks :)
mircea_popescu: do follow. neither of these are likely to hold long term and moreover complexity ever increases, so i expect they'll emerge next year or so.
mircea_popescu: see http://trilema.com/2016/memoranda-and-shit-like-1800s-high-diplomacy/ re the first point, but yes plenty other examples scattered in the logs ; see http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-11-29.log.html#t13:20:08 re the later - the reason the contract is not lucrative is because cft is expected to cost 180% in the future because "consensus"-ed. though in fairness the supplies are ever dubious in practice etc - but there's system st
mircea_popescu: ickiness in economics not just price stickiness, and esp in chaotic situations it's actually a stronger effect.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579813 << on meditation, this is not at all the case. the boyar was blamed in 1700 for the exact reason the jew was blamed in 1900 : the perception of "optionality" in the sense of http://trilema.com/2013/the-dead-jew-and-the-raped-girl/ ; strictly drawn along the lines of "the emperor is ; the gold is ; the grain is and the famine is ; disease and war and grass and cunt and penis all are -☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 16:59 asciilifeform: well yes, you blame the d00d who actually worked you to the bone
mircea_popescu: but the $enemy DOES!"
mircea_popescu: this inadherence to modernism is why russia was modernised via socialism/soviets, not via capitalism/industrialism.
mircea_popescu: so no, the peasant didn't blame the boyar because the boyar did something. the peasant doesn't care about that (nor was the doing actually verifiable as such, nor did it likely happen rather than the opposite). the peasant blame the boyar because the boyar was the wrong thing, a do-er rather than an is-er.
mircea_popescu: and which is why the "golden toilet" device is so important in trying to sell modernism to traditionalist societies - the point is to show optionality in the desired public enemy.
mircea_popescu: it directly mirrors the biblical understanding (god was ; and lucifer did) and very much explains why "patriotic war" and "peace keeping" and "Defending" and etcetera. the narrative always is "we - were ; enemy - did ; we - shall be again".
mircea_popescu: this very much because contrary to pretense commonly shared and widely held, modernism was never more than a superficial paint coat over things.
mircea_popescu: there's no practical way in which anything can reduce to "doing". even in software.
mircea_popescu: (also why so many of the moribund modernist world take refuge in "coding" as they understand it rather than much more obviously productive, satisfiying and accessible venues)
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579752 << seeing as nobody was doing that, here's the result of basically that: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctored-ssh-boxes/ - i may or may not do the other things (banners for http/ssh/telnet/ftp/etc), everyone feel free to do the latter, you can☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 15:19 mircea_popescu: cat iplist.txt | while read ip; do curl -A "blabla" "http://$ip/" > results.txt; done
Framedragger: integrate data from http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/
Framedragger: (~545 boxes out of 1319 phuctored respond to http - only the ones that do are in there.)
mircea_popescu: nice!
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580257 << ty, fixed (also reported by punkman, but i was afk at that point)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 04:08 ben_vulpes: !~later tell Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/ << 404s
Framedragger will try to find time to tie up some loose ends (log, ssh banners in nice format, etc)
mircea_popescu: !!up goldfinger
deedbot: goldfinger voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: how's england Framedragger ?
Framedragger: bland and bland.
mircea_popescu: you know you're no longer legally allowed to use pgp in that jurisdiction yea ?
shinohai: wut
Framedragger: +/- that, plus hacking into shit will become commonplace police practice (eh who am i kidding and being naive about, they're simply 'streamlining' all that in the judicial sense..)
Framedragger: i'm out ~june-july :)
goldfinger: Hello
mircea_popescu: ello
goldfinger: How come I am voiced for only 30 minutes?
shinohai: hola
mircea_popescu: shinohai something something police powers something something we think we exist something something
goldfinger: Really, PGP is illegal in england?
mircea_popescu: goldfinger the better question is why should you be voiced at all. who're you ?
shinohai: "But officer, I use `GPG` and pgp!"
Framedragger: shinohai: investigatory powers act if you want keywords
shinohai: *and not
goldfinger: Well, I was making a bitcoin client
Framedragger: goldfinger: constraints stimulate creativity, it's like haiku
goldfinger: and i noticed i connected with some nodes that reported (protocol)verison 99999
goldfinger: version*
mircea_popescu: oh THAT's why they prefer tight pussy!
shinohai: Yup that's us
mircea_popescu: goldfinger your documentation point for that would be
goldfinger: yeah, so i thought, who the hell are these people that start counting their version number downwards
mircea_popescu: !#s trb
a111: 1093 results for "trb", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=trb
Framedragger: version followed donald knuth tradition iirc?
shinohai: Mine actually is set to v99995
mircea_popescu: yeah pretty sure that's how that came to be, someone mentioned knuth's freezing and it flew.
goldfinger: allright
goldfinger: so what is this party about
goldfinger: a rewrite of bitcoin core?
Framedragger: it's a small terrorist republic, but i'll leave it to mr. MP
mircea_popescu: the most serene republic is a terrorist organisation dedicated to the violent destruction of all fiat constructions, from states on.
goldfinger: cool
goldfinger: V for vendetta
mircea_popescu: also the enslavement of the general population, murder, rape, arson and jaywalking.
goldfinger: i started writing a bitcoin client in C#
shinohai: I am the most preeminent jaywalker in the Republic
goldfinger: Btw, PGP is really illegal in england?
goldfinger: that sounds terrible
mircea_popescu: it is pretty terrible yeah. "end to end encryption"
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/fuckgoats-first-batch-assembles-successfully/ << Trilema - FUCKGOATS first batch assembles successfully
mircea_popescu: so not just pgp, bitcoin too, and everything else.
goldfinger: they banned all end to end encryption?
goldfinger: wow
mircea_popescu: ironically, this shows pki for instance ISNT encryption. but we digress.
Framedragger: well, its status is prolly still unclear. but basically current govt doesn't really take to end to end encryption, in a more serious manner than previous govts; or at least this one managed to push things forward a bit
goldfinger: pki?
Framedragger: public key insanity
goldfinger: im scared
mircea_popescu: you know, what the ssh supposedly implements.
goldfinger: what should we do
mircea_popescu: we should get our key registered with the deedbot and read up the topic / do something useful with ourselves.
goldfinger: where can i read up the topic
mircea_popescu: if you don't have a topic window up top, try /topic
goldfinger: tht doesn't do much, im using kiwiirc
mircea_popescu: "You have reached The Most Serene Republic, the world's only sovereign. See http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ "
goldfinger: ah there, okay thanks
Framedragger: also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536198☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 16:00 Framedragger: IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE BUILDING A REPUBLIC
goldfinger: maybe we can use steganograpgy
shinohai: That was my favorite Framedragger bashism of all time.
danielpbarron: !~bible isaiah 45:7
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Isaiah 45:7 :: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
danielpbarron: ^ re: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580271☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 12:14 mircea_popescu: it directly mirrors the biblical understanding (god was ; and lucifer did) and very much explains why "patriotic war" and "peace keeping" and "Defending" and etcetera. the narrative always is "we - were ; enemy - did ; we - shall be again".
mircea_popescu: yes well, the understanding of the bible and the text of the bible are separable concerns.
mircea_popescu: as you might be aware.
danielpbarron: !~bible proverbs 3:5
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Proverbs 3:5 :: Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E906CCADD206429754D318A2DBF2150F1DB8E4A961C2EB92E0DA3910933A9A60 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2374...4793 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.127.145.2 (ssh-rsa key from 200.127.145.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (200-127-145-2.net.prima.net.ar. AR C)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CD0282DAF4E4DCBBD882ABDA02B7E10BED966232497B8AC33AE137C2C5044AC4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1424...7343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.18.89.36 (ssh-rsa key from 67.18.89.36 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (li26-36.members.linode.com. US TX)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7F8C36D00B3BF478CA98E5D6F8BD35B8E2FCE92DF34EDC659B471C1B811E0C4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2377...6941 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.138.127.137 (ssh-rsa key from 79.138.127.137 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (vmserv2.appgate.com. SE N)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C9634D23F9FF2371D3E5E8DF1D57CB1FB9CD74DAC36DF7307D931F5599CCED4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2587...5253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.70.4.181 (ssh-rsa key from 109.70.4.181 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (109-70-4-181.fxw.nl. NL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5EF74EEEC6ED0110C9B092376512DA53482E15379187469FB720FD76E9D20D3D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2357...4663 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.38.17 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.38.17 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/32652A860DF501D08376A8FF97AF452915B8916DD7D6F5F97D33250D3E7F72F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.0.223 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.0.223 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9A34020BD86CCFD722610615BCEA3BC872B7161FCFEB84222CAAD4208C7869B5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.14.77 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.14.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/89B9986669FC0DDDC234C7D8D296527FC8336AD24BDCEABF0945DCA3E0F4425F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1120...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.2.129 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.2.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
mircea_popescu: heh
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580321 <<< wait, wasn't jaywalking declared unrepublican? or did i miss something☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 12:51 mircea_popescu: also the enslavement of the general population, murder, rape, arson and jaywalking.
mircea_popescu: davout oh was it ?
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry - i must've meant also the enslavement of the general population, murder, rape, arson and misrepresentation.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580275 << Framedragger this would be considerably neater if it were possible to read it without 500+ click/back/click/back...☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 12:28 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579752 << seeing as nobody was doing that, here's the result of basically that: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctored-ssh-boxes/ - i may or may not do the other things (banners for http/ssh/telnet/ftp/etc), everyone feel free to do the latter, you can
Framedragger: asciilifeform: like, everything on a single page (or some iframe or js thing)?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: something like that
asciilifeform: even to dump the raw txt (right column) on one page, separated by hlines, would be useful
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580127 << thinking about it you're entirely right, what's said there isn't "you are a drug dealer" but specifically "you aren't a drug dealer" in the sense of "i don't think you're that cool so nyah!"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 01:43 pete_dushenski: ofc not, so 'drug dealer' is obv a snide remark, not actually positied theory
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNWvdtt5sxs << oblig
Framedragger: asciilifeform: short-term remedy until more civilised means is concocted: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctored-ssh-boxes/all.txt
mircea_popescu: aaha
asciilifeform: Framedragger: this is useful. ty.
mircea_popescu: i see the yankovich tradition is well and good.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lehrer. ancient.
asciilifeform: ('50s iirc)
asciilifeform: the ex-maths d00d.
mircea_popescu: o,rly ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: te amo' ahahaha.
mircea_popescu: it's te amo ! ffs.
asciilifeform: !#s lehrer
a111: 7 results for "lehrer", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=lehrer
asciilifeform: e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537360☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 17:06 asciilifeform: 'Plagiarize !! Let no one else's work evade your eyes ! Remember why the good Lord made your eyes ! So don't shade your eyes !' (tm) (r) (tom lehrer)
mircea_popescu: i somehow never listened to these.
asciilifeform: 'banned by bbc' !1111
mircea_popescu: must be.
asciilifeform: had parody of 'boyscout' song, with fucking; and other lulz
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that lehrer decided that he did not want to be known for singing, and went back to mathematical obscurity willfully.
asciilifeform: long, long ago.
mircea_popescu: reviewing yest log for articlization i realise we'll probably not see pete_dushenski anymore ; he may or may not return in two week's time as a dessicated airfoil to say his goodbyes to his former club, pre burial in an cremation urn.
BingoBoingo: lol
mod6: mornin'
mircea_popescu: hola mod6
mod6: <+goldfinger> and i noticed i connected with some nodes that reported (protocol)verison 99999 << someone saw us on the tubes. hai!
shinohai: In his C# buttclient
mircea_popescu: argument could probably be leveled C# more respectable than C++
asciilifeform: lol the microshit abortion
mircea_popescu: !$archivestats
scriba: Number of URLs seen since bot startup: 350; number of URLs newly archived: 342.
Framedragger: !$ hello
scriba: Hello, world! My uptime is 2 days, 19:01:39.
Framedragger: ^ when it reconnects, the counters start from 0 again
asciilifeform: 'We believe in order to create a more sustainable society we need to go from the consumer society to a society formed around "do it yourself" (DIY) and "do it together" (DIT) mentality. Therefor we plan to make living communities which are self sustainable with energy, water and food, but also are in connection with the communities create maker spaces and tool libraries, such that people in the surrounding society have access to the
asciilifeform: tools needed to develop there skills and talents in DIY and DIT....' -- 208.75.183.230:80
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahaha. they.will.... never yield!!1
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i guess that;s unavoidalbe huh.
Framedragger: well it _could_ have permanent storage, *in principle*.. and one could even reconstruct the past counters from logs which are saved
Framedragger: probably not terribly important for now tho.
asciilifeform: http://210.64.28.150 << webcam
asciilifeform: http://210.66.40.42 << same type
asciilifeform: (probably >2 of these)
trinque: who are these people who *want* to be warehoused in plastic bins packed like a damned beehive
BingoBoingo: Wait, They don't DIY own building?!
trinque: please, I cannot feel at home unless I hear other losers fuck / take a shit / etc
trinque: such community
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 442673 | Current Difficulty: 2.867657668205504E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 443519 | Next Difficulty In: 846 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 4 hours, 12 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
asciilifeform: trinque: i suspect that subj discusses a work of imagination, not of reality
trinque: these "intentional community" things exist though
asciilifeform: 'SelecSource is the most experienced staffing partner in Atlanta, specializing in skilled trades, industrial and clerical talent. Simply put, we know where to find most qualified and reliable people in the Southeast.' -- 216.5.27.248:80
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-25#1558981 << s/colombia/oregon/☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-25 21:55 mircea_popescu: she's a poor chick in colombia, what do you want her to think ?
mircea_popescu: trinque at least if they did it publicly, you know, "this is the kitchen, the women and girly men cook here ; and this is the fuck room, where we make the children".
mircea_popescu: perhaps something like http://trilema.com/2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/
asciilifeform: http://23.92.20.117 << 'watch city cigar co.'
trinque: a world with different places, how alien
trinque also wonders what she was listening to
asciilifeform: http://35.8.60.151 << 'The OpenREP Project (OpenREP) provides information on dioxins and dioxin-like chemicals to the public. This is the only comprehensive source of scientific data on exposure risks due to dioxins and dioxin-like chemicals. Our team of curators.....'
trinque: speaking of speaking only mudlang (and a small amount of spanishmudlang), if anyone else is slogging through latin, the app memrise has decent flash cards under the "GCSE" set
asciilifeform: speaking of orcs, http://79.174.65.78 >> 'В разделе "Долгосрочный прогноз" размещены прогностические карты аномалий температуры воздуха и осадков на станциях Дальнего Востока России и Восточной Сибири на декабрь 2016 г. и январь-апрель 2017 г.'
asciilifeform: http://en.ferhri.org << engl ver.
mircea_popescu: trinque wut ?!
asciilifeform: http://80.1.67.37/login.aspx << i've never heard of a 'briportal' or 'britannic technologies ltd' but apparently they're based on diddled-debian...
trinque: mircea_popescu: eh?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what you just said!
asciilifeform: http://82.146.56.134 << ru spam-perfume
trinque: mircea_popescu: was insulting english and saying there's an appthing to walk around with practicing latin, with which I'm starting before taking on any other romance lang
asciilifeform: http://83.170.113.55 >> 'PLEASE NOTE - Cleverbot learns from people - things it says may seem inappropriate - use with discretion and at YOUR OWN RISK'
Framedragger: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctored-ssh-boxes/130.56.60.63-80.txt << oh, this belongs to consc.net, run by one david chalmers, dude whose papers i've actually read. lulzy
mircea_popescu: oh oh
mircea_popescu: for some reason mud- welded in my head to conlangs/muds and wouldn't let go.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: lol, ~that~ chalmers
asciilifeform: write to him?
mircea_popescu: ^
Framedragger: i suppose i will!
Framedragger: "hey dude, nice work on semantics, btw your box is fucked"
mircea_popescu: trinque the method i recommend, if you care, is to work selections of classical texts with the dictionary ; then proceed to answer any systematic questions you have when you're sick of the slog.
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: there were some decent programs catering to this approach at us unis too, perseus at tufts for eg.
trinque: ty
asciilifeform: http://85.15.210.7 << very very meta. latvian vendor of routers, almost certainly all similarly phuctorable
mircea_popescu: hahahaa
Framedragger: !$ archivestats
scriba: Number of URLs seen since bot startup: 363; number of URLs newly archived: 355.
trinque: Framedragger: is there a list somewhere ?
trinque: and very neat, btw
Framedragger: trinque: of archived urls, you mean? hm no
asciilifeform: http://91.82.84.113 >> mircea_popescu knows hungarian ??
mircea_popescu: trinque http://trilema.com/2013/life-in-the-time-of-empire/ << martial is a good starting point, his english is very good but very plain ; there's a celebrated collection of medieval poems (carmina burana) which works well because very close to modern conventions.
trinque: ah thanks very much; I'll use that to practice
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm from cluj, it's spoken. why ?
asciilifeform: linked
mircea_popescu: where the fuck ?!
asciilifeform: 'Qu'on l'appelle Tipi ou Tepee ou Tee-pee il est l'habitat nomade parfait.' >> http://92.243.8.194
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no, just generic hungarian spamola, earlier.
mircea_popescu: ah.
asciilifeform: i know 0 hu, but it looked like an old car lot.
mircea_popescu: hungarian is a language best not learned.
asciilifeform: why's that
asciilifeform: just takes up space ?
asciilifeform: like finnish ?
mircea_popescu: it's like the perl ofall languages, actively breaks the head. EVERYTHING they do is wrong.
asciilifeform can picture this.
mircea_popescu: solve the wrong problems by vocabulary, you name it they got it.
mircea_popescu: it's of strict entomological interest, a la malbolge.
asciilifeform: chukchas do this.
asciilifeform: and when asciilifeform did several years of linguistics at uni, this is the kind of language that was assigned.
mircea_popescu: related, http://trilema.com/2013/the-linguistic-mark-of-cultural-failure/
asciilifeform: (working on 'human' ones that somebody might actually know, or related to, is not proper exercise)
Framedragger: trinque: http://log.mkj.lt/URLs_archived_till_2016-12-09_1615UTC.txt (1910 so far)
asciilifeform: aaaah this is just too great to pass up :
asciilifeform: <div id="debug"><p>mysql://webretail2:joon0Ohn@unix(/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock)/webretail2</p>
Framedragger: no datestamp sorry
Framedragger: omg
mircea_popescu: lolwyt
asciilifeform: ( 92.62.138.64:80 )
Framedragger: joon0Ohn
trinque: todd really is the worst name, isn't it
Framedragger: oh, .lt lol
mircea_popescu: yes. todd gack.
asciilifeform: trinque: 'that man is dead. the name's todd now! sweeny todd!' (tm) (r)
Framedragger: (mikrovisata, i know that company heh. funny)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger go by their office for a b2b proposal, show them chatlog ?
trinque: asciilifeform: I guess that was a cooler todd
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E906CCADD206429754D318A2DBF2150F1DB8E4A961C2EB92E0DA3910933A9A60 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1354...4559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.127.145.2 (ssh-rsa key from 200.127.145.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (200-127-145-2.net.prima.net.ar. AR C)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CD0282DAF4E4DCBBD882ABDA02B7E10BED966232497B8AC33AE137C2C5044AC4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1377...2599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.18.89.36 (ssh-rsa key from 67.18.89.36 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (li26-36.members.linode.com. US TX)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7F8C36D00B3BF478CA98E5D6F8BD35B8E2FCE92DF34EDC659B471C1B811E0C4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1520...0763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.138.127.137 (ssh-rsa key from 79.138.127.137 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (vmserv2.appgate.com. SE N)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C9634D23F9FF2371D3E5E8DF1D57CB1FB9CD74DAC36DF7307D931F5599CCED4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1557...1697 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.70.4.181 (ssh-rsa key from 109.70.4.181 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (109-70-4-181.fxw.nl. NL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5EF74EEEC6ED0110C9B092376512DA53482E15379187469FB720FD76E9D20D3D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1501...0447 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '38.96.38.17 (ssh-rsa key from 38.96.38.17 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
asciilifeform: 94.107.193.60:80 >> 'For a Refendum in Belgium' . 'A democratie is based on the voice of the people. Only the Refendum can grant this respect'
asciilifeform: ' Votez pour que nos politiciens modifient notre Constitution et que le Referendum soit enfin reconnu comme "voix du Peuple". '
asciilifeform: and holy fuck these are gonna pop faster than they can be eaten won't they.
asciilifeform: and also lol, argentina again
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. why i didn't say anything re your curl earlier. will have to be run periodically lol
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: huh not the worst idea! i'll see if i can arrange when i'm back for christmas week after next :P
asciilifeform: 'More than 35 years since its foundation, Safetykleen remains the UK’s market leading parts-washing company.' << 94.185.212.244:80
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: noshit
mircea_popescu: lmao i just noticed i said "martial is a good starting point, his english is".
Framedragger: prolly need to build a pipeline for postprocessing all phuctor finds....
mircea_popescu: his LATIN. bejaysus.
asciilifeform: also there are a bunch of IIS boxes in there?!
trinque figgered
mircea_popescu: Framedragger aha. building the uci from the floor up!
asciilifeform: e.g., http://83.3.79.122
asciilifeform: i dun think these have anything to do with debian...
trinque: could be router out front with ssh, www port forwarded?
asciilifeform: could.
asciilifeform: or even winblows box sitting where phuctored-ssh box sat in july.
asciilifeform: (dynamic ip etc)
Framedragger: or windows admin running ssh server so he can actually get work done :p
trinque: yeah, there's also cygwin
asciilifeform: btw when i last did scan, moar of these boxen answered to https than http
mircea_popescu: as is befitting
asciilifeform: the embedded shitwares (cams, phones, etc) in particular.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you happen to recall the nominally last rngless debian ?
mircea_popescu: was it fixed in iirc may 2008 ?
asciilifeform: this was the claim
asciilifeform: however!
asciilifeform: curl http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctored-ssh-boxes/all.txt | grep lenny
mircea_popescu: broadly everytyhing up to lenny
asciilifeform: lenny came out in '09
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: then squeeze wheezy an' currently jessie.
asciilifeform: etch was updated through 2010, according to https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch , but i am seeing all versions
mircea_popescu: in practice deployed versions often don't get updated
asciilifeform: 'lenny' is not , officially, supposed to appear at all
mircea_popescu: (about two thirds of the devs think they are updating, about one third of boxes do get updated)
asciilifeform: and lol, Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.3.3-7+squeeze19 with Suhosin-Patch mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.6.6 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 Server at 65.111.164.90 Port 80
asciilifeform: squeeze ?!
asciilifeform: circa 2011 ?!
asciilifeform: could it really be?!111 a bunch of pro liars LIED?!11111111?
Framedragger: ssh host key not automatically regenned upon upgarde, is it
Framedragger: upgrade*
mircea_popescu: ^ most likely explanation.
asciilifeform does not know
mircea_popescu: it was said at the time that the breach is unfixable, because it requires regeneration of keys.
asciilifeform: but that's the most plausible theory i've heard so far.
mircea_popescu: it is marginalyl funny just how happy to break everyone's processes these schmucks are to introduce, eg, mandatory-unicode-via-python-3 but how suddenly waxy-poetic and careful they are when it comes to user security.
mircea_popescu: forcing key regeneration on update was the right move there.
mircea_popescu: just as allowing python-3 out of experimental was the wrong move.
asciilifeform: http://200.127.145.2 << argentina, 'hand-made' orc flavour
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must point out that, e.g., commonlisp, which was designed sanely from the beginning ('character' != 'byte') can and often is unicodified with ~0 headache
asciilifeform: 'character'=='byte' is retarded even if you are a roman and only intend to use the letters on the alphabetic kbd till the day you die
mircea_popescu: sure but what's that to do with anything ? "on my car which has an engine, adjusting the intake valves does things" "he's got a bycicle!"
asciilifeform: it has to do with why python3 was doomed to be an abortion
mircea_popescu: nobody, and certainly not me, prevented python people from moving to sane data structures or anything.
asciilifeform: the 'character is byte' thing was baked into the earlier python, conceptually.
mircea_popescu: yes. that's the point.
asciilifeform: for this reason, jurov's pgp key (iirc it was him...) to this very day does not display in phuctor
mircea_popescu: if you are stewarding an apple tree, you'll fucking deliver apples till the day you die ; you do not come up with a way to make the apple tree make shitty plums.
mircea_popescu: this "modernisation and progress is the destruction of items by people who didn't like them in the first place" nonsense is pretty far out there.
mircea_popescu: if they didn't want to play in the character=byte garden they're more thanwelcome to go learn lisp.
mircea_popescu: just like the fucktards who don't like bitcoin aren't permitted to "upgrade it" ; they have to go do ethereum or whatever the fuck doge ripple solidcoin bullshitcoin they do.
asciilifeform: if afghani did not want to fuck goat, he should move to rotterham ?
mircea_popescu: either that or drop dead.
asciilifeform: if folks dropped dead simply by being asked politely!
mircea_popescu: gotta start somewhere.
asciilifeform: and of course mice, rats would much rather 'upgrade bitcoin' in your pantry than in the winter forest
asciilifeform: it makes the only possible sense from their pov.
asciilifeform: see also aesop's insects
mircea_popescu: heh. myeah.
mircea_popescu: hot damn that was a heavy piece.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/modernism-and-traditionalism/ << Trilema - Modernism ; and traditionalism
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580275 << http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Dlr8k/?raw=true has been chewing for ~day now, i'll chime in when it wraps☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 12:28 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579752 << seeing as nobody was doing that, here's the result of basically that: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctored-ssh-boxes/ - i may or may not do the other things (banners for http/ssh/telnet/ftp/etc), everyone feel free to do the latter, you can
asciilifeform: neato ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: you teed it up nicely, didn't take much more.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: might want to handle the barf case (if box times out)
asciilifeform: phuctor, that is
ben_vulpes: only grabs the ip list at the beginning of run, doesn't have any provisions for restart.
ben_vulpes: stone knife and bearskin scan
ben_vulpes: i think the major time wastage in it are the curl calls without timeout
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: my original interest in subj was to identify equivalence classes of diddled boxen
asciilifeform: the parfumeries, kibbutzim, etc. www tour was not particularly productive.
asciilifeform: ( if someone feels like writing to some of these folx, to see what happens, i don't particularly care )
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579768 << i suppose that i mis-parsed the 80/443 comment here due to immune system load☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 15:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the things to scan, that very often are found: 80 (http), 443 (ssl), and if either found, the page; if ssl -- the cert id strings (see l0gz for how) , and lastly, ftp (yes, believe or now) and telnet greetings.
ben_vulpes: i'll take a look at where it is in the list of phucked ips later and make a call as to whether its worthwhile to kill it and start over
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/modernism-and-traditionalism/#comment-120051 << mircea_popescu somehow font ended up mangled
asciilifeform: (or is in mod queue, or wat.)
asciilifeform: and hmm mircea_popescu i think you left a <i> open somewhere in the endnotes
asciilifeform: and it nailed the sidebar also
asciilifeform: (how the fuck does that WORK? ... ben_vulpes? anyone?)
ben_vulpes: nope
ben_vulpes: i'm not even looking
asciilifeform: ain't they separate <div>'s..?
ben_vulpes: get out of here
asciilifeform has monumentally nfi.
ben_vulpes: http://www.recode.net/2016/12/7/13864776/apple-spotify-60-million-subscribers-7-billion-revenue << bullshit fucking revenue numbers
mircea_popescu: lesee
ben_vulpes: no i get it, your turbine sees a lot of flow, and has an efficiency of less than one percent
mircea_popescu: oddly i dun see it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's an italicization of ~entire page, and you gotta fire up a graphical wwwtron to see it
mircea_popescu: o look!
ben_vulpes: starts in xxxii
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fixed nao ?
ben_vulpes: in other lols child apparently has muscle and coordination for rubber band play
ben_vulpes bbl, fireworks
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580179 << goes back to tmsr compiling things. instead of the obvious conclusion "most applicants don't know how to program and most interviewers don't know how to interview" you get insanity "this problem is a special problem!!1"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 02:37 mircea_popescu: but what i specifically take issue with is the claim that "There is no clear way in any languages". what the heck ?
asciilifeform: in other lulz, völkischer beobachter interviews, supposedly, pedopizza hunter: https://archive.is/4aFDV
asciilifeform: '“The intel on this wasn’t 100 percent,” he said. However, he refused to dismiss outright the claims in the online articles, conceding only that there were no children “inside that dwelling.” He also said that child slavery was a worldwide phenomenon.'
mircea_popescu: phf ikr ? but for my peace of mind, it's about as special as apricot's a special fruit, right ?
asciilifeform: imho the notion of 'standard exam problem' is terrifyingly ridiculous
asciilifeform: it is how you breed americanized imbeciles
mircea_popescu: this is perfectly workable : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579890☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 17:28 mircea_popescu: there are a number of reasons for this. 1. robots eat electricity ; humans eat a sort of oil derivate ; see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577962 ; 2. robots are an industrial product, this costs ~nothing while "well brainwashed humans" are the equivalent of a "well behaved wife". tell you what, here's a half billion girlies in your "civilised world", you have a week to find a wife. let me know what you spent.
asciilifeform: re: ^, must point out, that robot eats a number of other items in addition to mains current (replacement parts, made of ~entire mendeleev table, as well as petro-plastics)
mircea_popescu: no i mean as a standard exam problem
mircea_popescu: "find a wife, you have a week, let me know what you spent".
mircea_popescu: as in eg, king has seven sons, who shall inherit the throne.
asciilifeform: that's not exam, that is actual war
mircea_popescu: well yes. standardized exam === actual war.
asciilifeform: exam, as commonly understood, is 'war-lite'
mircea_popescu: "here's a dull knife and a ballsac sling, bring a bear."
mircea_popescu: well the idiocy of wall lite needs no further expounding.
mircea_popescu: war*
phf: i've been asking people to implement StringIO/StringBuilder/string-output-stream pattern. my original thinking was that while totally self contained problem it's a nice segue into gc, memory/runtime tradeoffs, threading, etc. just a baseline "are we on the same page" phone screening. i've went through about 35 "send us your resume" people and none of them could do it :o
phf: literally nobody can tell me what the potential downsides of `for i in xrange(1000000): a += "foo"` are
phf: one guy ("10 years of unix experience") canceled the screening because i told him he'll have to ssh into a shared screen and i'll ask him some questions
trinque: python went around claiming easy foar noob; you expect random python guy to think about what's happening at any level below "muh python code" ?
trinque: it's like smooshing moar string on what
asciilifeform: phf: to quote one such 'speshul trainflake' i encountered once, 'you should be making me an offer, and not asking me to do tricks'
phf: a shared online webpad bullshit they get, "ssh into my box so you can have a sane editor" they start freaking out
phf: asciilifeform: yeap same excuse!
trinque: "whore, your whole purpose here will be to do tricks"
trinque: hiring only works through wot, formal or meat-implemented, and the "I will create an arena and find humans" really only works well if the whole society is the arena.
ben_vulpes: someone once wanted me to code in a google doc
ben_vulpes: shit you not
trinque: I bet it was JS
trinque: or rubby
ben_vulpes: worse
ben_vulpes: clojure
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: nice. re. curl timeouts, yeah you need them, otherwise it'll hand for a long time on some of those IPs (i saw this) :)
trinque: lolk
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: d'you know what the default curl timeout is offhand?
Framedragger: `-m 10` should be enough
Framedragger: there is none!
ben_vulpes: tight
Framedragger: i saw one sitting for > hour
trinque: did it barf any headers before doing that?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you can use generic timeout util, e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579775☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 15:41 asciilifeform: sshello=`timeout -k 0m 3s nc $ip 22`;
asciilifeform: avoids the util-specific braindamage
phf: ben_vulpes: that's sop now. i sort of go for interviewes every month or so to see what's out there, etc. and the past two years i had a lot of http://collabedit.com screenings
ben_vulpes: shoulda, yes.
Framedragger: trinque: by default it shows how long it sits, but that's about it, by default no headers etc
ben_vulpes: phf: i'd rather see someone use the editor they already have set up to attack problems in the domain for which they're under consideration for hiring
phf: one place (outsourced quants) brought out three laptops and asked me which environment i prefered, i thought that was pretty classy. (they had a really wide range, because every time someone said something obscure, they'd put it on the machine. like the linux box had emacs, with a lot of package preloaded and reasonably configured, mac box had intellij and such)
trinque: Framedragger: would've been interesting to see if it was some kind of misconfigured long-polling HTTP situation or what
asciilifeform: phf: classy is when entire contact is over email.
phf: but their screening was half hour collabedit and the entirety of it was "here's a problem, now hack, ok half hour's up"
asciilifeform: what sort of problem
asciilifeform: helloworld? quicksort?
asciilifeform: (this was 'generic' programming work..?)
trinque: dunno if "what can you do with our configured work env" is very interesting
trinque: whether I can code without access to *my* emacs tells someone very little about what I can do with it
phf: it was helloworld, but randomized out of a hat. i think it was a number theoretical problem, like here's a property of a number, write a check for that property
Framedragger: trinque: yeah, hm. i've seen more than one instance on that. i see what you mean. it was basically a case of, from what i gathered, "data sent; waiting for response; not a single byte sent back by server". either because server wasn't http, or some "hang forever, fucker" anti-DoS measure..
Framedragger: of that*
phf: this is for generic programming but with "maths" involved (i has some background in instrument pricing)
trinque: right, packet drop vs rst or w/e
asciilifeform: phf: in my experience the exams are never 'skill test' and always purely binary weedout against http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580234 people☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 03:06 mircea_popescu: needless to say this produced "correct" responses through the insufferable avenue of missing out on the problem.
asciilifeform: nobody cares how quickly you 'helloworld', but if instead you write down 'why should i have to do this, i expected to see a fat offer!!!' the interviewer learns something quite important.
trinque had an interview at 19 with an ex-msft guy who was later his CEO
trinque: guy screamed at me the whole time asking logic riddles
trinque: also, a filter
asciilifeform: ditto if you came in to work as reverser and the question sheet asks 'what does 'SHL RAX, 1' do ??'c and you write down some nonsense
asciilifeform: picture if you were interviewing a freight truck driver and you are presented with a fella who has nfi what is brake, what is gas pedal.
asciilifeform: or what gears are
trinque: wouldn't it be more interesting to give them a problem that implies they know asm ? i.e. there is a robotic arm in a factory, RISC processor, here are the motions it should perform at these intervals
trinque: write controlling code, come back in a week or w/e
Framedragger: "work sample tests, motherfuckers"
asciilifeform: trinque: example concerned x86 vuln finder/exploiter firms
trinque: point is projects as evaluations rather than that kind of baseline shit
phf: asciilifeform: right, my point is that there are two separate steps. "filter out" and then "test skillz"
asciilifeform: trinque: they would also give problems in other common archs (arm, mips)
trinque: so I know how to shift a register, what
asciilifeform: trinque: nobody cares that you know. but plenty of folks care if you do ~not~ know!
asciilifeform: that's how exams work.
trinque had a job which involved sniffing / mangling packets; task to get hired was to write a parser for yahoo IM
asciilifeform: phf: 'test skillz' inevitably happens on the job, in live fire.
trinque: the code I produced ended up in the actual product
asciilifeform: trinque: this was done in exam room ? or at home
trinque: at home
trinque: over a few days
phf: trinque: did they pay you for it? ;)
trinque: no
asciilifeform: lol
phf: hehe
trinque: they paid with a job
trinque: :D
phf: yeah, no.
asciilifeform: how many folks did they 'pay' with a 'no thx, maybe later, thx for the phreeee code'
Framedragger: ( yeah, SV is web scale but SV interviews are not :D )
trinque: I said I was 19; that's light abuse !
trinque: asciilifeform: the job was also in my wot
phf: asciilifeform: i feel like that point is long past. i mean, in early 2000s you could get away with that. now if person can produce code ~that you can actually use~ you hire them on the spot, make them the cto :D
asciilifeform: trinque: that is like to say, ' i went to this great bordello...' but then turns out the 'bordello' was own bedroom and the woman -- your wife
trinque: I guess this guy was oldfag 90s, figured I was the candidate, and that was more of an initiation rite than filter
trinque: pretty sad that today that guy would be sued over that interview.
phf: those playing cards always give me glimpses of some deep forgotten childhood
asciilifeform: phf: it's where i got'em
asciilifeform: supposing phf is speaking of mine
phf: yes
asciilifeform: actually they are from my brother's not-quite-forgotten world
asciilifeform: that lost atlantis.
phf: card works as good as chinese caliper. cut to GOST 7114-54 within +-0.7mm of allowed error margin.
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: phf: caliper incidentally is not chinese, comes with cert from jp ministry of standards
asciilifeform: (i did not call'em up and verify the serial... but the thing worx great, is extremely repeatable)
asciilifeform: i do not own many 'gold toilets' but that one is quite useful.
phf: i know mitutoyo, but the joke doesn't quite work with a jp company. "honorable datskovskiy san received boxes 1 through 5 with replica card prints cut to 0.1mm, 0.2mm, 0.3mm, 0.5mm and 0.7mm allowed error margins, that mitutoyo san found presumptuous to include with own humble compliments"
asciilifeform: lel
asciilifeform: 'for your convenience, we have packaged the mutilated cards SEPARATELY!!!!111'
shinohai: !~btc.blocks 400100
jhvh1: http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/blocks/400100
asciilifeform: in related noose, there are at least 6 operating trb nodes, and that is just in the heathen catalogue! ( https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/ ) and only those with default verstring
ben_vulpes: no points for spotting mine
asciilifeform: if i had to guess, sk is jurov's
asciilifeform: and iirc trinque also had
trinque: yep, not listed there
trinque: deedbot.org IP
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu iirc also has at least one, but iirc he's on some year1 version thereof and in fact i have nfi whether it even worx, or he still uses own 'mpb'
asciilifeform: trinque: the heathens only list a node if it reports >0.8 iirc.
asciilifeform: (entirely blind version num check, they give 0 shit what command set node responds to etc)
trinque: I've seen mine on that same site before, but no longer.
asciilifeform: iirc they do exactly as you might expect, port scan, and if it's your box's turn and you're in, e.g., blackhole, it'll delist
asciilifeform: then, if it's your turn again, and your box answers - it gets displayed
asciilifeform: the bulk of the reason i even wrote the 'programmable verstring' patch to begin with is to determine, experimentally, whether enemy would willingly go along with displaying directory of public trb urinals, or not
asciilifeform: to get a sense if their overall census is even slightly believable
asciilifeform: somewhat surprisingly -- it really is a dumb surveybot, does not seem to do anything peculiar other than the >0.8 test.
asciilifeform: (does 0, naturally, to distinguish pseudonodes from nodes or any of this.)
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ez6FR/?raw=true << only two inbounds
trinque: poor lonely deedbutt
trinque: wait, strike that, reverse it
phf: did wotpaste change urls?
trinque: both work, but he's moving to that one
phf: kk
ben_vulpes: ^
phf: ben_vulpes: fyi wotpaste help in "How?" still uses old url
ben_vulpes: thanks phf
asciilifeform: it still very much itches in asciilifeform's brain that we still do not have any means for fixed peering in trb
asciilifeform: ( because - at least as i understand it - it requires the entire spittoon )
ben_vulpes: "fixed peering" as in "connect to these and only these IPs"?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ^^
asciilifeform: no.
asciilifeform: 'these-here NODES take absolute priority over others'
asciilifeform: ip-as-identity is retarded.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see also: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378046☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-01-20 02:05 asciilifeform: so i will review, for the benefit of non-panzers, the current state
ben_vulpes: yes, i recall
asciilifeform: every time i go and reopen this can of worms and look at the code, i end up realizing that the thing is ~unfixable
asciilifeform: in the sense where there is no mechanism for safely preempting a stalled conversation with another node, or allocating time quanta, or even (gasp) allowing >1 operation across blockchain or mempool in PARALLEL
asciilifeform: and to introduce ANY such thing would mutilate, beyond recognition, 'grandfather's pistol'.
phf: ben_vulpes: connect to these and only these is a trivial change, since the logic all sits within 30 lines of code, but ^
asciilifeform: sorta why i have not touched trb in quite a spell -- there is nothing left to do that is not 'a mutilation' imho
asciilifeform: phf: it is not a trivial change, because if you are not careful you can end up in solipsist world where you can be driven into chain split by a d00d mining on old rusty ford pinto
phf: i have a patch that i'm working on that might help towards that goal
asciilifeform: (the situation where trb nodes, in the ~collective~, can be persuaded to tune out the heathen world, is precisely it)
asciilifeform: mining - afaik - remains a thing that happens among the heathens strictly.
phf: right, trivial as specified, unrelated to shooting self at foot
asciilifeform: it is like to say that self-appendectomy is trivial. in aspects -- it is.
asciilifeform: take knife. cut.
phf: su strategy of "assume this self-appendectomy guide is written for leonid rogozov, ignore 80% mortality rate from application"
asciilifeform: so long as reader knows where he stands.
asciilifeform: the 'fixed peers' thing is actually the tip of a very nontrivial iceberg, because bitcoin was not in fact designed as a 'wotronic' mechanism, and it is not clear that 'nothing to allcomers' is safely retrofittable on it
asciilifeform: witness mircea_popescu's frustrations every time he transmits a tx and nothing happens
phf: sshh it'll start that thread that you had with mp again
asciilifeform: ( or yours, or mine )
asciilifeform: lel
asciilifeform: my point is that artificially rationing connections to trb will lead to ~slower~ propagation, rather than faster -- unless it alleviates severa spamola, as my 'banhammer' did
asciilifeform: *severe
asciilifeform: this is because there is -- and afaik to this very day -- a thick layer of prb between any of us and any miner.
asciilifeform: ( if anyone can come up with a rigorous experiment to measure the whether and how-much of this -- do speak up.)
asciilifeform: incidentally : for so long as block verification remains O(N) and serial, trb is vulnerable to a very trivial malformed-block ddos
asciilifeform: (whereas parallelizing it would entail getting rid of the hundreds of idiot global locks, and the ensuing wtf)
asciilifeform: if enemy had even half of its shit together, instead of busying itself with imbecile alt-scams, we would have some problems.
ben_vulpes: blockchain.info falling behind?
ben_vulpes: anyone have a node at hand, care to share what height you're at?
shinohai: !~blocks
jhvh1: shinohai: {"blockcount":442711}
ben_vulpes: shinohai: whence comes that number
shinohai: ^blockchain.info
trinque: lol
ben_vulpes: fuckin weird, 'cause their webpage does not report that
ben_vulpes: i just caught 442712
trinque waiting for deedbutt to fart an answer
ben_vulpes: trinque: blackholed?
shinohai: !~btc.blocks 442712
jhvh1: http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/blocks/442712
trinque: no, just some guy thought the API should block when it's doing *anything*
ben_vulpes: aaaand 13
ben_vulpes: in other wwwtronic toyz: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate#1d176a0b-2995-4522-b9bd-b14447c6bec7
ben_vulpes: note the barf that got mimi kicked off for flooding
shinohai: blockchain.info website only shows 442709 to me xD
ben_vulpes: glorious imperial infrastructure
trinque avoided adding any kind of rate limiting to the bot code because I have yet to find a straight answer on appropriate rate
trinque: "uh like a second per but not always basically when the receive buffer for you is full but also reasons"
ben_vulpes: 'twas a solid call.
trinque: if the thing ack'd messages even, you could just send then!
trinque: (if you have moar)
ben_vulpes: eh fuggit, drop shit on the floor wcgw
trinque: points to the moral imperative of making war
trinque: server is retarded and people fart around adding hair to their client hairshirts
trinque: kill the server!
ben_vulpes: in other tlps: https://www.buzzfeed.com/rosalindadams/intake