shinohai: Welp my female companion has sworn off the internet for the evening after reading latest Trilema.
phf: mircea_popescu: got it, thinking
mircea_popescu will make no secret he has ~no respect for the "pistols" of such grandfathers. if they sucked less they might have solved say... ONE of the problems we're stuck with.
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em, they have no claim to perpetuation whatsoever.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-22 03:06 peterl: no, a less traditional synthesis, from benzyl bromide, methylamine and acetaldehyde
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 17:52 asciilifeform: he even had the benzyl crystals mostly grown.
mircea_popescu: what of this supposed work can i rely on today ? is there a schematic ? is therew anything ? HOW do you distinguish between this and henninger "publishing" ?
mircea_popescu: i will grudgingly grant this much, and very grudgingly at that.
mircea_popescu: i will agree with you that yes, man trying and failing is still man ; but you will i hope agree with me that man failing while still man nevertheless still loser.
mircea_popescu: there's two components to "grandfather" : a) man ; b) successful.
mircea_popescu: leaves open the question of "why is the history of improductive planet, be it the left can of soda or right can of soda, worthy of preservation".
mircea_popescu: don't tell me that "if oyu don't read how imbecile smart doods trying to get along tried to get along, you won't ever guess on your own and may repeat the same mistakes".
mircea_popescu: having no intention of getting along is a perfect armor against repeating usenet ; or the internet ; or anything else.
mircea_popescu: alrighty then! when you have a moment, elighten and instruct.
mircea_popescu: it's not that i WANT to think that usg == usg, whether usg.yuppies or usg.countercultures.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-24 03:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not only do i own vintage german cars (which, btw, were made for de market and imported here, not made in fucking us/brazil like the rest of the toyotas with bavarian paintjobs), but I WILL HAVE YOU KNOW i just ingested a 28 oz porterhouse steak!
mircea_popescu: now, aging meat is a respectable topic. problem is the subject is written in french, and these fellows evidently never read any.
mircea_popescu: "The attic of the restaurant was loaded with about 100 lbs of boric acid during the remodel."" << yeah, de armond dood clearly knows his way around a restaurant operaiton.
phf: mircea_popescu: what's there to read in french on meat aging? asking for practical purposes
phf: relatedly to the other conversation, though i grew up on the same yarns as asciilifeform, i start to think that usenet was the original reddit, just the guys were smarter, perhaps even grownups. i posted on reddit at some point, and i want to believe that my comments were carefully constructed and detailed, but there were many reasons that we
☟︎ phf: 've discussed to death here, why doing so was a waste of time. i suspect that usenet was similar. you have a handful of insightful posts lost in the noise
mircea_popescu: phf as far as moderns are concerned, y-m le bourdonnec, say, or else hugo desnoyer. probably can even buy a chunk. otherwise, as far as the anthropology / history an' generally scholarship of the matter is concerned, there's late medieval / early modern french, spanish sources, even a bit of latin, but i've not them assembled and at the ready.
mircea_popescu: phf the noise isn't even the subject. there's two kinds of girls : those who go, and those who do not go. this is established afore the fact, and NOT at the party. now, a party with the later, no matter how timed or where established, be it "night of the demons"-like or simply a rural "community center" church dance, will NOT yield fucking. period and full fucking stop and jack slow down and etcetera.
mircea_popescu: this is the substantive difference here, that i dun care how fucking smart-casual you were dressed or how debate-club-approvably your wit flew. wrong party === losers and no further discussion is useful or necessary.
mircea_popescu: by the fruits you will have the verdict ready before inspecting any leaves.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 02:46 phf: relatedly to the other conversation, though i grew up on the same yarns as asciilifeform, i start to think that usenet was the original reddit, just the guys were smarter, perhaps even grownups. i posted on reddit at some point, and i want to believe that my comments were carefully constructed and detailed, but there were many reasons that we
mircea_popescu: the overarching point here is that just as never an ought came from an is ; just so no coward managed to reason his way into valor.
mircea_popescu: now, had i believed any of those summed to 1, i'd say nothing but simply be there. the fuck i care, it takes me six weeks to learn a language, any language, and i know no women who'd dare "opine" on the move.
mircea_popescu: cuz i suspect they may be sortable, in which case your argument's in trouble.
mircea_popescu: in any case -- i am entirely convinced the two are orthogonal. there's no more reason in intelligence to be cowardly than there's reason in rain to wet the bed.
mircea_popescu: very similar items, really. inborn, to some degree, can be cultivated, which helps, dependingly, and so on.
mircea_popescu: neither very happy with the inept "relativism" of sophistry, at that.
BingoBoingo: The "amazington host" sounds liek a grand way to refer to a gathering of redditards.
BingoBoingo: A host of amazingtons blocks you path. [fuck][marry][kill with fire]
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mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-06-12 18:05 phf: ben_vulpes: could you possibly add timestamp (hh:mm:ss, say) to your div.line's. maybe as data-ts="..." or perhaps as a div.nick title?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-07-26 17:25 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: imho the scheme currently in use by phf is The Right Thing
ben_vulpes: even preserved what little backwards compatibility needed preserving with some feeelthy htmlz
ben_vulpes: and ty mircea_popescu for kicking my ass to do it
☟︎ ben_vulpes: obvs works in #eulora, #trilema-mod6 etc
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 19:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from same circus, u.s. senate is proposing to ban mr.t from revering obummer's 'ru sanctions and They Stole Election' decrees
a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 06:40 ben_vulpes: and ty mircea_popescu for kicking my ass to do it
a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 12:45 asciilifeform: ( the veto-overriding ritual is still upcoming iirc )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 13:39 asciilifeform: 'responsible disclosure' shitsackery.
mircea_popescu: "Orbem iam totum victor Romanus habebat, qua mare, qua terrae, qua sidus currit utrumque; nec satiatus erat. Gravidis freta pulsa carinis iam peragebantur; si quis sinus abditus ultra, si qua foret tellus, quae fuluum mitteret aurum, hostis erat, fatisque in tristia bella paratis quaerebantur opes."
☟︎ mircea_popescu hasn't in much depth checked, but the quoted part at least is correct.
mircea_popescu: "hey, pudet effari perituraque prodere fata, persarum ritu male pubescentibus annis".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (for the innocent : fata denotes fate in that text, and male evil. but at the time c. petronius wrote he was doubltess fully aware of the vulgar latin tendency towards what yielded romanian fata (girl), even if very unlikely unaware of the eventual meaning of "male". yet, we can read a vernacular relation there between male/female doubling agency/fate on the distal plane. THIS is what literary genius is all about, ulterior me
mircea_popescu: (and yes, latin philosophy of the time was 60% by mass "women, unbridled, will doom the republic". hence ~porcius~ cato for instance.)
a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 17:05 mircea_popescu: "Orbem iam totum victor Romanus habebat, qua mare, qua terrae, qua sidus currit utrumque; nec satiatus erat. Gravidis freta pulsa carinis iam peragebantur; si quis sinus abditus ultra, si qua foret tellus, quae fuluum mitteret aurum, hostis erat, fatisque in tristia bella paratis quaerebantur opes."
mircea_popescu: pretty sure this guy lived in the eastern mediterranean.
mircea_popescu: eh, unless you're willing to shoot usg agents on shight / impale the captured etc, ~everywhere is same.
mircea_popescu: when exactly did russian citizens in russia become free men ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 02:58 asciilifeform: and ditto of ru mob et al.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought the ru mob had 0 cultural value.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 02:58 asciilifeform: and ditto of ru mob et al.
mircea_popescu: nevermind the fire. the cultural value of "d00d would be a free man if he sat in moscow." is ~1.
mircea_popescu: if that's not the entirety of culture, then it's not missing much.
mircea_popescu: well, you'll have to pick one which you believe, and stick to it.
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may, for the brief interlude in question. there's no substantial difference today.
mircea_popescu: moreover, what did the preet do before being canned, quite a la yezhov ?
mircea_popescu: exact preet. spent a while "prosecuting" "cybercrime", then got prosecuted in turn.
mircea_popescu: your claim was "0 usg-style preet process", to which i showed 100% preet process : 1. that indeed there was a preet ; and that indeed he was preet'ed.
mircea_popescu: it's your job to now convince me the "centre for information securityt" of the fsb prosecuted no "hacker" at any point during its decade long tenure.
mircea_popescu: not a matter of proof of absence ; the structure is there quite plainly. if you can be bothered to dig you'll find the rest.
mircea_popescu: the notion that somehow russia is a free country dun stand, or else you know, we'd just move there.
mircea_popescu: by this measure, neither do they "seem to feel" in danger in north korea.
mircea_popescu: come to think about it, whether someone is publicly shitting hsi pants every change he gets (aka,
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-27#1690153 ) versus the other categorical alternative, "doesn't seem to feel in the slightest bit in danger" would rather predict us citizenship than anything else.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 02:19 mircea_popescu: the fatal weakness, those folks just wanted to get along.
mircea_popescu: ameritards pants are always freshly shat. everyone else's - not.
trinque snarfed an archive of www.thelatinlibrary.com a while back
a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 17:15 mircea_popescu: "hey, pudet effari perituraque prodere fata, persarum ritu male pubescentibus annis".
mircea_popescu: I blush to tell, I tremble to recite our Persian childhood and its fated plight! or something at the very least. the cogent points is that one tempts the fates at his peril with a recount of how changing the republic for a satrapy contained in itself its future blessings such as they were.
phf: "Like you, I also wanted to study the TeX code. After all, it was written by an eminent computer scientist, and, for a large piece of software, it is remarkably free of bugs. It looked like something significant could be learned. But, I gave up after a while. Mostly because the code is full of clever tricks to pack data into memory locations to save space. This made sense 30 years ago, but not so much today, and it makes the code very difficult to read
phf: (for me, anyway). There is a system called JavaTex, by Tim Murphy, which might be a bit easier to read, maybe. But I ran out of time. – bubba"
mircea_popescu: wait, knuth literate-programmed all his way into pointer magic etc ?
phf: i suspect it's more about the choice of data structures. for one there are no allocs (very much in the spirit of ascii's ada explorations), so he probably has a lot of mempools, some byte compression and possibly bit twiddling. i've not read the second book yet, because i still haven't compiled the damn thing outside of the reservation
phf: "This TEX implementation conforms to the rules of the Pascal User Manual published by Jensen and Wirth in 1975, except where system-dependent code is necessary to make a useful system program, and except in another respect where such conformity would unnecessarily obscure the meaning and clutter up the code"
phf: i don't know if that's the case, that's just my guess. but you are doing fixed size allocations though, and we had threads about it
phf: who knows what "bubba" actually means
phf: fwiw the dynamic around tex is fascinating. here's very much a literate artifact of high discipline. every piece is a carefully documented literate program, custom tooling that enforces the conventions, "I have also spent thousands of hours trying to ensure that the systems produce essentially identical results on all computers. I strongly believe that an unchanging system has great value, even though it is axiomatic that any complex system can be impr
phf: oved." etc. etc. last tex release (apart from bug fixes) is version 3 in 1990. you'd think(c)(r), but the reality is that layers and layers of cancer are grown on top of it, and when there's a discussion it is in terms of original values, but when it comes to details its "use this lua pdf unicode thing which comes as part of a 5GB package"
phf: i can envision a future where some TMSR SYSTEM package weights at 100GB but at its core is "p.vpatch" that is used exclusively through "vada2rust" translation system
mircea_popescu: phf i wasn't aware he ever did bit twiddles. my sparse reading of bits and pieces never showed me any.
mircea_popescu: it is, for the record, NOT axiomatic, or even true, that any large system can be improved.
mircea_popescu: all systems designed through inductive means can always be improved -- through the removal of the inductive parts and their replacement with deductive equivalents. that's all.
mircea_popescu: moreover, i can envisage a future where the clean html of the republic is viewed through "browser2iphonekek" as javascript-whatever.
mircea_popescu: that future is now, and just as soon as i fuck one i'll care.
mircea_popescu avvers that had he run into remarkable crapola re knuth he'd have thrown a louder than usual and as public as usual hissy fit.
deedbot: palatine voiced for 30 minutes.
palatine: feels strange talking to you after all reading i did, sorta speaking with a character out of a book
palatine: beginning to figure it out, almost ;)
palatine: not being a tech person i have some trouble with the WoT thing
palatine: i knew a hard question was on my way
mircea_popescu: lol but i mean, "i'm not a tech person because i am an ? person" ?
palatine: i'm a lawyer by profession and trying to escape the barn in general
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ah. i suppose to keep to terminology, "i'm a scholar person".
palatine: yes, surprised me bit when i found out
mircea_popescu: anyway, as a lawyer you absoluitely wish to bake pgp into every aspect of your practice. don't have any customer email you plaintext.
mircea_popescu: that way you get actual, as opposed to theoretical, attorney-client priviledge.
palatine: yes, that would be fine even if a somewhat hard on the practical level
palatine: people being totally non tech people either
mircea_popescu: well, people are also totally non-legal minds either, kinda why they come to you.
mircea_popescu: at least in my experience, 60% or so of independent practice lawyer's work is educating people in his office. sort-of private schooling.
palatine: your remark is spot on, by the way
palatine: fact is, the place i live the law is a joke
palatine: not sure you can call it law practice anymore
palatine: crumbling at an faster pace lately anyhow
mircea_popescu: well if it makes you feel any better, the us is rapidly catching up.
palatine: i'm very happy to have found out this place
palatine: i got a question for you, if you don't mind answering, did you plan trilema as a literary opus by the very start or sorta did it grew out on its own way?
mircea_popescu: both. the distinction only exists in a certain (and false) view of teh world. otherwise, to plan it as a literary opus correctly IS for it to grow on its own wya.
mircea_popescu: generally "to plan" is used as a view towards results. this utterly is not what planning is. planning is all about the construction of processes.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
palatine: gotta take my time with this one
palatine: nope, i nicknamed it the "romanian wall"
mircea_popescu: italian is somewhat mutually inteligible with romanian. but i suppose it also depends what exactly.
palatine: yes, but the meaning is subtle and missing too many words make it a mess
deedbot: palatine voiced for 30 minutes.
palatine: how was that you picked the Serenissima?
a111: Logged on 2013-08-19 13:24 mircea_popescu: it was the same in 1600s low countries, and in 1100s serene republic.
palatine: it's amazing because when i walk the streets here the San Marco lion is everywhere
a111: Logged on 2014-01-14 10:51 mircea_popescu: and also my country, teh most serene republic of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: see, cause originally, when the venetics were little more than an orcish tribe, they wanted to matter in th world. so they went and stole st marcus remains from alexandria.
palatine: i read a bit on the origins of the republic, i found striking similarities with our current situation
palatine: little non-easily reacheable and defendable islands are like bitcoin
deedbot: enzio voiced for 30 minutes.
palatine: first time panic, totally understand ;)
shinohai: "In case of emergency. wrap arms firmly around whore and use as a flotation device"