a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 23:04 trinque: asciilifeform: lobbes has his archival effort underway. iirc mircea_popescu had a thread with him on exactly this
mircea_popescu: "full" text search is a misnomer, even. there's ways to construct conceptual search that anyone who's spent any time with dyslexic children intimately understands. words occur together in their own wot.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 23:07 asciilifeform has been racking brain to think of 'how to make pizarro hot in heathendom', so far no earthshaking breakthrough
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 21:44 mircea_popescu: it occurs to me that ~for the first time~ in the history of computing, we have hardware capable of on the fly rsa-ing.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 23:08 asciilifeform: trinque: really, you'd use a search box where you gotta log in, keep cookies, etc ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 23:18 ben_vulpes: and yes i have thought about this and yes i want it quite badly
trinque tried to find the "and anyway" mechanism as discussed in logs, found naught
trinque: the crabs-in-bucket mechanism that says "why do anything against the empire, satan will X anyway"
mircea_popescu: we're kinda only interested in the sort of heathen that's interested in veblen goods anyway. the collectivist-equalitarianist among them isn't worth anyone's time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, rather the opposite problem : a stubborn refusal to properly sell fg has beheaded a few folk.
mircea_popescu: to sell it has to be sold. no use trying anything else. to have clean sheets you must do a load, and to have sold items you must sell them.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the logic in 'why didja put it in UY, bw costs 4x moar than in usa and cia will still steal yer iron eventually' is pretty amusing. "doesn't it stand to your reasoning that 'cia will steal eventually' is 16x as expensive for the same reason bw costs 4x as much ? if not, why not ?"
mircea_popescu: nothing easier than to expose the magic in magic thinking.
mircea_popescu lulz at the poor misfortunate cia strike team, belabouring in montevideo under the usual threat of "you never fucking know where that nut put a sleeper to shoot you in the face" and then stuck paying dollar-for-dollar import duty on all their spurious gear that doesn't even work AND THEN having to find a fucking spoke lost in transit locally and taking three weeks to still not do it.
mircea_popescu: the sort of guy who thinks like this also imagines the only reason he's not running an uruguay dc is because he didn't feel like trying, not because he doesn't have the juice in him to do it if he had a thousand years and the fed's own paper account at his disposal.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-06 03:03 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski old joke, americans ask russians how do they keep discovering their secret agents. "you could try not sending black people..."
mircea_popescu: well, good thing you gave him a raise, just as this thing became one helluva anklet.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 01:22 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 , plox to put the matter ^ before board.
mircea_popescu: yeah prolly about time he gets himself a bachelor pad. gotta be able to entertain the local cunt in style.
douchebag: gpg [GnuPG version 1.4.x, 1.4.10 preferred]
ben_vulpes: ah shit i didn't even think about apartment as bunk + cowork replacement augh i'm so dumb
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, afaik there isn't anywhere a complete list of specified versioning for trb, nor ever was.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, the reason it was done this way originally was not a price consideration but forced societal insertion.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now that he's inserted enough to date locally, he can have privacy.
ben_vulpes: i can't believe we're entertaining the notion of depriving the poor chinches
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, srsly, like for eulora ? apparently i missed some steps here.
trinque: there's a manifest in the deps dir
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, nah. looky : "You also will need the following packages / binaries / tools on your system:bc" rather than "bc bc 1.06.95"
mircea_popescu: the correct way would be to have a list of enumerated known-goods ; though this is understandably not done as it is -- because expensive. and satoshi didn't do it because he didn't even have any conception of dependency versioning.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, but it's just a sample of what works, not a mapping of what works.
mircea_popescu: yep. and far be it from me to disparage it in any way.
mircea_popescu: but it must be said that the q is not entirely spurious (even though he didn't actually read, evidently enough).
trinque: douchebag: if you had actually pressed trb this question would've been answered
trinque: it is true that the thing spiders out to "you must have satan-fabbed silicon" but I meant only the deps that had been hard-specified.
mircea_popescu: it fails to make anything, of course, but gosh gollty does it break things!
mircea_popescu: eh get out, he's young and he has no fucking idea what anything is or how anything works. it's so fucking oversoon to ask such questions...
mircea_popescu: you're here asking six year old girls whether they enjoy vaginal or clitoridal orgasms.
trinque: I can't argue perl or misc other isn't a dep, god knows what all is in there.
trinque: but yes, point of me asking him for this was to get him to press a trb and investigate
mircea_popescu: yes, but what's the rush ; and perhaps more interestingly why such an overactive immune response. there's ~no benefit to repelling youth. moreover, it can not even be said that his work to date sums to zero -- it sums to a positive quantity.
trinque has no rush, only raised a consequence for doing other than what he said
mircea_popescu: and in the instant case, as in the lengthy history of previous instances that drove inflammatory reaction in response, he does actulaly have a point. not only does he have a point, but if poorly communicated ALSO poorly understood in group terms.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, think : you broadsided ME with it too. unlike him i am rather large mass, but the point is fucking there -- we don't actually even know the full dependency tree with any specified precision.
mircea_popescu: unpleasant as this truth is, and readily obscured by republican optics as it may find itself amenable to, it's still fucking there.
ben_vulpes: it's a great honking core sample of modern compute shitstack
mircea_popescu: not to say that we didn't do heroic fucking work to fix it. but fixed -- it is not yet. ahead of anyone else as we may be.
mircea_popescu: now why don't you, like me, see the great promise of fundamental thinking in his approach ?
mircea_popescu: kids asking insufferable fucking questions are the prime engine of any thinking republic.
trinque: he came and asked for direction
mircea_popescu: yes well. one year -- one thing. this year -- the spreading. next year -- the eating.
trinque: which is even better than ought to be expected
mircea_popescu: well so far ... this is the third time at least he created three page + flamewar with innocent question. seems a talent alright.
douchebag: Well, the projects I like working generally involve web application exploitation
douchebag: Also, I would like to create a security firm someday primarily focused on Red Team + Blue Team stuff
douchebag: Well, I have seen red team penetration testers use a helmet when conducting a physical penetration test
douchebag: when they were sneaking over a fence to break into a building
mircea_popescu: ok, the point here is : that the difference you propose is not borne by reality, but by the need of middle managers to mentally represent an ideal space fundamentally inadherent to the mental processes of middle managers.
trinque: imma have to get a red helmet, "baby it's time for your penetration test"
douchebag: trinque: I always like to tell them women
douchebag: Hey bitch, how about you let me hit your backdoor with my 0day and let my heap spray all up in ur buffer till it overflows
douchebag: I actually did tell a girl that once
douchebag: in my defense, she worked in infosec field
douchebag: My current place of employment primarily does blue team work
douchebag: Setting up security software for enterprise customers, the main software we use is an intercepting proxy that analyzes and blocks malicious traffic
douchebag: We also push out self-signed or subordinate SSL certs to also intercept ssl traffic
douchebag: It works alright, however in terms of actual security - it is lacking somewhat
mircea_popescu: douchebag, incidentally, do any of your customers use/need any encryption ?
douchebag: For instance I see some customers running Windows Server 2003
douchebag: and I'm not allowed to tell them they need to upgrade that
trinque: so the working alright is keeping you boys employed, eh?
douchebag: because "the customer is always right" bullshit
douchebag: Their company pays roughly $30k per install I walk them through
douchebag: In my opinion, I could run a much much better security firm
ben_vulpes: douchebag: what *would* you upgrade a windows whatever whenever user to?
trinque: that one comes with better helmets
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, get a load of that : he basically did MORE work he does at work for 30k a pop (ie, talk a bunch of retarded crack whores / women in tech) through kleopatra, except he did it for free. we're on the receiving end of 30k x 50 crackwhores or w/e it was. he gifted us a million and a half. what now.
douchebag: At least Windows Server 2016 will not be pwned by eternalblue or ms06_67
douchebag: But anyway, I think by first sending in a red team to identify vulnerabilities on the web/network/physical level and then sending their report to a blue team to resolve those issues
douchebag: as well as install software for monitoring and logging
douchebag: I think it would be a very successful company, assuming I have employees who are qualified
douchebag: I don't have the funds to pay employees who are qualified
mircea_popescu: tell you what : do trinque's thing ; then do the ssh/ssl thing ; then we can talk about you running this thing exactly like pizarro is run, why the hell not.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: use the time to get potential hires you may be interested in into the wot and there you go.
douchebag: mircea_popescu: If you would be willing to do that, I think we could get something very successful running.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine why i wouldn't be. kinda why the whole platform exists in the first place, to allow such outgrowth.
douchebag: I have a team of extremely skilled individuals for the red team aspect
douchebag: for the blue team, that would be rather easy to find qualified employees
douchebag: because the red team is the group of individuals who need to actually be skilled
douchebag: blue team is just a matter of solving issues that have already been identified and knowing how to install security software
mircea_popescu: this is altogether dubious, but, as they say time will tell.
mircea_popescu: you know, you can write your whole thought in a single line, we do actually read long lines. no reason to break up your stuff.
☟︎ douchebag: Sorry about that, anyway though - ckang definitely is skilled and would be a good team member if he was interested in that sort thing
mircea_popescu: so there, you have a pretty great plan for yourself out of this convo. keep doing dayjob to keep food on table. meanwhile a) deliver for trinque, deliver the rsa pubkey crawl and b) talk to potential employees, get them in the wot. then as all this matures you can pivot into your desired research firm securely and from a position of unmatrched strength.
☟︎ douchebag: asciilifeform: Was he primarily into reverse engineering and binary exploitation?
douchebag: Nice, one of the people in my team is extremely skilled with that
douchebag: He's also great with hardware hacking. He showed us a proof of concept for hacking a bently. He managed to build a device that. 1.) Unlocked the vehicle 2.) Disable the immobilizer 3.) Use keyless ignition to start the vehicle and drive off
mod6 is just catching up here...
mod6: Ok, so what is wanted here as a 'mapping' is instead of just saying, for example 'bc', say 'bc <some_version_number>' ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform, nah. looky : "You also will need the following packages / binaries / tools on your system:bc" rather than "bc bc 1.06.95" << like this right?
mod6: Anyway, if this is what is requested, I can work on digging up the versions that I've been successful using.
mod6: I apologize if this somehow caused confusion to people.
mircea_popescu: well, if/when the douchebag show gets on the way, maybe you shoot him a line see if he wants to emerge.
mircea_popescu personally finds the situation quite quaintly endearing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, consider though -- we actually have unmatched synergy here too. if you turn usg moolah here and then lose it to pay for eg pizarro rack, you got an engine!
mod6: mircea_popescu: Further, what shall I do about ones like gcc 4.x, and g++ 4.x ?
mircea_popescu: mod6, i know, right ? anything, don't get me wrong, i don't think you have to do anything about it. or anyone else. it's a problem we can't yet well aproach, let it lie.
mod6: As I've found that a variety in this vein will actually work - should I list them all, or all that I've found working?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, what's the piston in this extension of the metaphore ?
mod6: Well, I'd rather be explicit rather than implicit. n00bs are gonna n00b.
trinque: mod6: once there's v-portage the deps will be all there and selected, and there will be no need for the entire buildroot process
mod6: trinque: very true, but between now and when that bridge is built...
mircea_popescu: mod6, yes, but it's waited because of developments other places. let it be for now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ah. well, so maybe his thing takes off, why not. basically the proposition as it stands is adding more piston. what can it hurt.
mod6: Alright Gentlemen, but I'm ready to make those simple changes if requsted, just say when.
trinque: mod6: sure, and won't stand in your way if you want to start selecting
mod6: fair enough, will need to have all these specified for that.
trinque: all I'm looking for from douchebag currently is a review of what ends up in the trb binary as a dep
a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 15:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, incidentally, do you see it as a mid term you use pizarro as your springboard to move in uy, releasing BingoBoingo into my hand for further adventures ?
mod6: when you say 'zoo', for some reason i picutre shitting rhinos
mircea_popescu: mod6, you know that there's a job where you have to handle rhino penis into rhino vagina at zoo ?
mod6: nice. bet it pays well.
mod6: now that's a tallywapper.
mod6: fucker looks like he'd step on it if he wasn't careful!
mircea_popescu: also looks like it could quite enjoy a walk in the grass.
trinque: yeah, if either of those back legs gets tired, he can just swap it out
mod6: gets weirder every day it seems
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 01:58 asciilifeform: trinque: it was in mircea_popescu 's 'the anal child'
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 03:25 mircea_popescu: so there, you have a pretty great plan for yourself out of this convo. keep doing dayjob to keep food on table. meanwhile a) deliver for trinque, deliver the rsa pubkey crawl and b) talk to potential employees, get them in the wot. then as all this matures you can pivot into your desired research firm securely and from a position of unmatrched strength.
mircea_popescu: hanbot, i imagine it might pick up once he discovers that unlike ~everything else, stuff here's actually worth the trouble to read.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 01:59 asciilifeform: i will note, in case it wasn't obvious earlier : folx who previously were refraining from linking phuctor somewhere on account of 'how could it take the heat' are nao invited to open the throttle.
mircea_popescu: jurov, shit i completely forgot. absolutely, yes. can you bundle this up for asciilifeform to download ?
jurov: It was already bundled as csv, he rejected it then, asciilifeform pls what format do you accept?
☟︎ deedbot: fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes.
jurov: fromdeedbot: speak here
fromdeedbot: i read the logs and you guys have productive banter
fromdeedbot: deedbot sounds like the first implementation of a smart contract. I was wondering if you guys thought anything of ethereum. More specifically if you have continued to develop deedbot, or know of a smart contract type platform being devolped on BTC
☟︎ jurov: how do you define smart contract?
diana_coman: ugh, this 3-step magic approach: 1. put out a disclaimer mixed with minimal-risk pretence of having done some homework 2. flatter generically and at minimal cost to self 3. "ask" about some current buzzwords, as a cheap way of signalling
diana_coman: fromdeedbot, if you genuinely wanted an answer to that question, you'd have searched the logs first
fromdeedbot: tbh I am seeing the potential of this concept and I know that I'm late
☟︎ fromdeedbot: I did search the logs maybe i missed it..eth was mentioned a few times but not recently iirc
diana_coman: fromdeedbot, "recently" doesn't change anything; read and understand the "old" stuff - around here meaning doesn't magically expire
diana_coman: fromdeedbot, so then, state your question like an intelligent person: I've read this (link) and this (link) and this (link) and as far as I understand it I think you are saying there x and y and z; am I correct? how /why is x.1 so and so rather than so and the other etc.
fromdeedbot: both were early versions of using a blockchain outside of sending coins
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 12:46 fromdeedbot: I read most of the logs here
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I suspect he "read" them like that tits-girl: in one night he "read" them all, what
☟︎ diana_coman: fromdeedbot, I gave you a template for asking questions; use it when you ask next question; be warned that if you keep up with the idle "asking" , I will negrate you
fromdeedbot: I was just curious to see if there was a platform similar to Ethereum being built on BTC at the current time
diana_coman: go read about "I just wanted to"; apparently the moment you say "I just..." it's all the same what you follow with
fromdeedbot: I have not been able to find anything on the open web
deedbot: fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes.
fromdeedbot: and am hesring about a second hard fork now
diana_coman: and who asked you anything about what you agree/don't agree with?
fromdeedbot: if they hard fork in order to add the ability to go back and change something they ruin thespirit or the platform
fromdeedbot: sorry to bother, just saw your channel and read a bunch.... you guys figured it out early
fromdeedbot: deedbot is predecessor to smart contract imho
diana_coman: fromdeedbot, read and understand; DO something; come and show "here, I did this because x and y and z"
diana_coman: until then you have nothing to say in there
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 12:13 jurov: It was already bundled as csv, he rejected it then, asciilifeform pls what format do you accept?
jurov: O.o why is rss tightly coupled iside phuctor? can't be independent job that can be ran as required?
jurov: with sha512sums logged below
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 12:28 fromdeedbot: deedbot sounds like the first implementation of a smart contract. I was wondering if you guys thought anything of ethereum. More specifically if you have continued to develop deedbot, or know of a smart contract type platform being devolped on BTC
mircea_popescu: but for the record, there will be an infinite stream of
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808813 until the very thermic death of the universe. and once we set the plague of french revolution to rest, and its sad effects are nowehre to be found in the world except for flaubert's books on the history of idiocy, there will SIMILARILY be "hi guise i am interested in the concept". exactly in the way and exactly for the reason "pe
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 12:44 fromdeedbot: tbh I am seeing the potential of this concept and I know that I'm late
mircea_popescu: ople" "interested" in shamanism, or no longer having to wash, or "what good are square roots anyway" will always be found.
mircea_popescu: item promises getting out of having to do some thinking ; the ill equipped towards humanity find it indistinguishable from refined sugar.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 12:49 diana_coman: asciilifeform, I suspect he "read" them like that tits-girl: in one night he "read" them all, what
mircea_popescu: i'm still not certain he wasn't telling the truth even.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, hmmm, I had in mind an even faster she-reader but I can't seem to find ref; that works too I suppose although I suspect the fromdeedbot guy "read" even faster
mircea_popescu: reading can go surprisingly fast if it doesn't make much difference what order the words come in.
mircea_popescu: (laugh if you will, however a) this is EXACTLY what alphabet imagines "artificial intelligence" means and b) this is EXACTLY what they teach them to do in school these days. so... joke's on you, mr barbarian bereft of bayesian behehehnologies.)
diana_coman: well of course; once that stumbling block, annoying and unfair and barrier to entry and everything that is bad - aka comprehension is removed, all is plain sailing; no surprise there
diana_coman is not laughing as she met the belief irl...
mircea_popescu: so when "educators" ie child molesters claim they produce "familiarity" in children with so and so, this is PRECISELY what they mean.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 14:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, frogs go "brekekekex" in your country ?!
mircea_popescu: in my country they go "oac", which admittedly makes 0 sense. (in fact, my country is famous in the harem for having apparently never heard any of the animal sounds it purportedly renders.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you could simply push that into a table and then have a script read from it to populate the rss
mircea_popescu: have it add the timestamp whenever it reads ; push out one once the timestamp is old enough, and write the new timestamp next to it.
mircea_popescu: index by modulus so you only report each once and there you go.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it would be entirely separate from what you got now neh ?
mircea_popescu: there's in fact two separate problems. one of them is that large walls of robot generated text are hostile to human habitation. the OTHER however, is that the news value of the first factor of a modulus exceeds the news value of all subsequent factors summed by degrees of magnitude, because of the 0, 1 infinity rule.
mircea_popescu: merely addressing the latter may well get you out of addressing the former for a while to come.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yet another approach would be to do what ben_vulpes did, make a channel for it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, once the Framedragger fodder runs out there's the jurov fodder.
mircea_popescu: but, i confess i absolutely do not follow the logic here. so, making a new table, and a py script to update it and print it as described above, unbounded ammount of sweat, months of work ?
mircea_popescu: well, the proper statement here isn't that "fixing db will be to my grief" ; the proper statement is that "fixing db, while a massive improvement to the $item, has the unfortunate drawback of requiring some trims i'm ill equipped to handle / have to send for across town"
mircea_popescu: much in the vein proper smoked rib bean stu requires allspice.
mod6: What if someone pitched in a hand to make a new bot for ya, so like Mr. P. said, you just have own channel. Then it can just burp as it is necessary.
mod6: This to me, seems like the most painless way.
mircea_popescu: mod6, what i was going to propose is for someone to write his rss python script and needed queries.
mircea_popescu: however, he'd have to run a script he doesn't actually understand.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it generates its tick, that's what the whole "ave it add the timestamp whenever it reads ; push out one once the timestamp is old enough, and write the new timestamp next to it." is all about.
mircea_popescu: actually, maybe this'll help, let me formalize this for you :
mircea_popescu: 1. consider a process which produces tabular data, in the shape of lines of A B C D columns.
jurov: asciilifeform: can't add timestamp column to gpgkeys "lastpopped" that gets updated?
mircea_popescu: 2. the proposed modification is to create a new table, of columns A B C D timestamp. this is to be indexed on whichever A B C D is the modulus. the proposed use is to have a process sort this table by unique index where timestamp = "" ; report ONE such item, and update ALL the lines with that modulus with current timestamp IF any only IF the highest timestamp found in the table is 900 seconds behind current timestamp.
jurov: with new table it'll be slow, too?
mircea_popescu: 3. this will introduce no further state or anything else in the original process ; it just happily spits its output at whatever rate it wishes.
mircea_popescu: and yes, the reason it has separate table is so it doesn't mess up your locks on the main one.
mircea_popescu: im unsure why phuctor would have to be stalled at all. you mean the reporting here of popped moduli ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 15:00 asciilifeform: jurov: the way it works is, every time /rss pg is generated , we go select mods from factors order by whenfound desc limit N ( n is 20 currently ) ; call this M, it is a list of moduli affected by that factor being known. afterwards , ~each~ of these lists is tested against the set of ~gpg keys~ , in the shape of select * from gpgkeys where [the list from earlier] && mods , and this yields up a list of most-recently-popped ~keys~, w
jurov: asciilifeform: at this point just add insert into the new table and leave its reading to mod6 or anyone who has irc bot?
mircea_popescu: you understand the other algo would be about 100x less machine work ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem like it'll be very sustainable. vixtim of your own success eh ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, how about this : you edit your current rss script, so that ~instead~ of what it does, it plunks its results down in a new table ; and someone (tm) writes you the py script to read that new table and put out usable rss for deedbot. how about that ?
mircea_popescu: redundancy makes no difference here. they'll still only be reported once.
mircea_popescu: well, you'd be running the rss script yourself. ever ran code you didn't write before ?
mircea_popescu: (also, i'll point out, rss is very much not web ; it's basically pipe.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, did you just say "anyone who wants to do this must do it in the way it wasn't specified because i'm not making the principal element everything rests on" ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. so what's the situation here, phuctor currently going through Framedragger 's and jurov 's set preparing ; reporting of results here disrupted until this is sorted out ?
mircea_popescu: well certainly the whole "get expensive phuctor machine" thing wasn't on nsa books so that it works for three days and then waits forever.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me ridiculous to a degree bordering on infantilism that it is "impossible" to get the data out after being so complexly massaged into utility ; but be that as it may, let phuctor run and report on its website, the interested will try and sift through whatever it publishes on their own time.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, in production systems, "machine offline" === "impossible".
mircea_popescu: this will of course bring to the fore the deep reason rss feed was principal avenue into the data, ie that the web view is not really very useful, but anyways.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, what you got running on that machine, lamp ? apache + python bindings ?
mircea_popescu: suppose you create a unix user ; give it read-only priviledges on extant tables, and let someone else write a webfacing thing for you ?
mircea_popescu: well yes but looky : all projects to be useful must communicate. giving someone else the communication part certainly has some aspects of relinquishing control, but you can't at the same time not know how to communicate and not work with someone who does. it's self-defeating, this strategy.
mircea_popescu: weren't you just explaining that there's a python display part and a c work part, and you suck at the python part ?
mircea_popescu: i didn't even know this can be done with c and python.
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may : giving someone the capacity to read the db has no bearing on breaking. can reading the db break anything ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 15:30 asciilifeform: anyone who wants to volunteer to write this, can use the db snapshot i previously published ( it contains, naturally, the schema. ) to test, remove some entries from factors table, then add'em back in ( ideally several dozen at a time )
BingoBoingo: Alive, catching up on logs and about to hit the datacenter
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, but in the very constrained environment there proposed they'll have to do a bunch of debugging, hence the "make them a user" notion.
mircea_popescu: otherwise you're setting yourself up for failure through 5000 update file requests.
lobbes: I still dun get why seperate channel wouldn't work? deedbot today somehow does xyz and successfully announces phuctor pops here. Why can't one of the n00bs stand up a bot to do the same thing... but in a side channel? Shouldn't require any changes at all to standing phuctor process, right?
mircea_popescu: lobbes, how about you look at his published db schema, and propose a py script he can run that delivers the desired rss ? this something you can do ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: there's also a chunk doing ip geolocation, trinque published coupla days ago, should go in.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that sort of thinking is how we got here in the first place.
trinque: isn't that the point? lol!
trinque: the code I published will work fine with any logbot someone stands up
mircea_popescu: trinque, honestly i'd much rather just fix the rss than stand up a dedicated bot. way the fuck cheaper and rather more adequate to the actual task at hand.
trinque: it's just a ball of pyshit, reading rss, accounting in sqlite, writing to logbot's outbox table
trinque: mircea_popescu: no argument to the contrary here
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 19:17 mircea_popescu: dat venezuelo chick's boning him dry!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not yet. Can pick some up at the feria. Now that I know we have Loros, I am kinda curious how those taste.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, imagine if rabbit was beef ; guinea pig would be... pig.\
BingoBoingo: I have had rabbit a number of times. Enjoy picking out the bits of shot.
mircea_popescu: anytway, chicken dun enter into this, animal's a fucking reptile not a mammal.
BingoBoingo:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808335 << Five hours if I take the more expensive ferry out of Montevideo. 6+ if I go to colonia for the cheaper ticket, but that involves a bus. Few things are less enjoyable the being stuck on a tin can full of Uruguayos.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 19:18 asciilifeform: ( how long does it sail, 2 hours each way ? )
mircea_popescu: oh right you are, it was a coupla hours ~to colonia~. coupla hundy km to montevideo from there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, rabbit is however extremely lean. but i suppose in a sense.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, take the peruana for a day trip ? i find tits surroundant make airflight bearable.
BingoBoingo:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808532 << Other than alf voicing general support for the idea, I am completely unaware of any ongoing discussions to improve my compensation. That we have arrived in May without any proposals has me somewhat feeling like I got played for the sucker on this.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 02:30 mircea_popescu: well, good thing you gave him a raise, just as this thing became one helluva anklet.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: it is greatly appreciated. And there's still a lot of adult business/figuring out exactly what pizarro is going on, which is why I have been letting it slide. But being several months into this venture the silence on this issue from the rest of the board is a sore spot, I have no idea if it is a thing they are even considering.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you gotta get better at talking things through ; the "other members" talk has its places but this isn't one.
mircea_popescu: understand that when you opt ot make "small donations" as a palliative measure to reconcile the goat and the cabbage you're not using the tool. this is orcism, "i don't know how to work vacuum cleanner but did some fingerbanging of the dust ad interim"
mircea_popescu: the board's there to help not to get in the way, as a concept.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 15:50 mircea_popescu: lobbes, how about you look at his published db schema, and propose a py script he can run that delivers the desired rss ? this something you can do ?
lobbes: In fact, it occurred to as I was about to list my TODO in-channel that it may be more beneficial to bake it as a blog post. Would allow the forum to suggest re-prioritizations as well as serve as a single place I can point to and say "this be what I'm working on right now". Anyways, I'll bake one tonight
mircea_popescu: lobbes, this was conceived as a priority item, because ideally quick to do. but ...
mod6: <+asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i've already brought it up on record 2x. the other members of the board have not yet answered. << I have not seen or been given any formal proposal for anything of such a raise.
mod6: And aside from that, I'm not opposed outright to this, but before we start handing out more money, I'd like to see where Pizarro stands as far as how much further we need to go to break-even, etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 01:22 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 , plox to put the matter ^ before board.
mircea_popescu: anyway, /me will expose the hand, might as well be upfront about things. so, asciilifeform did at some point express some interest in learning the magical crafts of management ; i since fed him the occasional dollop, in the manner this craft was always taught whenever it was taught. as part of this, when he left for montevideo i specifically told him to recognize BingoBoingo 's efforts with a raise early rather than late for
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 16:11 asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes -- a 10% diff in what BingoBoingo eats, will not make or break us, either we find customers and float, else -- sink. on the other hand, a starved and demoralized BingoBoingo is pretty bad for biznis. we do not have a spare BingoBoingo .
mod6: Maybe picture becomes slightly more clear after this months report.
mircea_popescu: that he ~tried to~ is evident ; that it didn't work is even more evident. you lot have to have words together and get better at this.
mircea_popescu: don't start pointing fingers and acting like idiots about it, either. you've got a problem, because to survive one must stay agile, not senilize before the time.
mod6: Hey, let's get real for a moment. I'm not disputing any of that!
mod6: Please send me some pgp-gram info on what/where/when/how.
mod6: So, you're saying, basically, $180 extra, per month? Or how does this go?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, tis more than just the rss / "wwwism is foreign and repulsive to asciilifeform". you've seen me communicate clearly and early about ten thousand times, and here you are stuck doing late ineffectuality. not good.
mircea_popescu: gotta speak ~to~ whoever you'e speaking to ; not ~of~ whatever you're speaking of.
mircea_popescu: the difference between me and ten thousand librarians who also read the same books is that i don't go around spitting out the references in lieu of doing the inadherent wwwism.
mod6: This may have been my fault. I am a busy man, may have over looked it.
mod6: For these sorts of things, don't hesitate to send a formal pgpgram to me.
mod6: Ok, I'll take the blame here -- I missed whatever proposal in some log.
mod6: Next time, besure to get my attention though.
mod6: And, currently I see no issue with $180 extra per month. We do want our System Administrator to be able to have a liveable life in .uy. Will discuss ofc.
mod6: We'll get back to ya all.
mod6: Just get my attention, "YOH MOD6 WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT X!?"
mod6: Then that works a lot better, I'm way less likely to overlook something like that.
mod6: I turned it off about the time that douche showed up.
mod6: No one uses it anyway.
mod6: Tickets are still available on the website.
BingoBoingo: I'm going to go do the FG surgery and lets the adults talk through things, but... Remember the $20/day per diem arose out of a time when I was working on BBisp and chasing a prospect. When the statement's out do some math, float some compensation proposals covering a 12 month span, and recognize that and extra $180 a month still leaves me in the position of dipping into my savings rather frequently. Maybe weight the compensation boost
BingoBoingo: more heavily to the end of the year? As it is I am still effectively paying out of my diminishing savings to live amongst the retards.
☟︎ zx2c4: mircea_popescu: this sounds vaguely familiar
zx2c4: you found a gpg key with obvious primes or something?
zx2c4: MY GPG KEY IS IN HERE
mircea_popescu: aaanyways ; not the end of the world. learning is how learning goes, after all.
zx2c4: ahh looks like hanno has called y'all out on this?
mircea_popescu: hanno boeck, some chick named nirdlinger or nirflinger or whatever and some other schmucks lied for years about having done research they never actually did.
mircea_popescu: then whatever victims they lied to decided rather than admit they were swindled out of whatever the scammers cost, it'd be better for academic facade to pretend the fraud was never exposed, and carry on.
mircea_popescu: this is actually pretty common behaviour, among idiots.
zx2c4: nadia's research is quite real
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, "real" in what sense ? it was published once phuctor published the results, through the procedure of copy.pasting it.
zx2c4: oh. is your beef that you were masscanning the net first, and then these other people stole your idea and ran with it?
mircea_popescu: no. some people were lying about doing research that they did not do. then we came and "stole" their "idea", did it, published results.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: when did you first publish your research?
zx2c4: zmap came out in 2013
zx2c4: halderman and heninger have worked together a lot
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, you're more than welcome to identify sets of keys WITH THE RESPECTIVE FACTORS published by anyone, at any time, then compare this with the phuctor set, and then write to whatever plagiarism committee you imagine is keeping academia from wallowing in the utter gutters of the intellectual world.
mircea_popescu: it does not look like anything. KEYS and FACTORS. not stories about. the numbers.
zx2c4: ahh so the complaint is that
zx2c4: you guys are publishing the pure data
mircea_popescu: in order to have published, you must publish ; otherwise herodotus' imaginary travels are the first source for animals that don't exist.
zx2c4: whereas academics never publish any code or data and usually just spill latex
zx2c4: so to summarize your beef with these people,
ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: i dun object; pizarro needs a better foundation than a writhing pile of chinches. i'd like to get a flat down there; this can consolidate the housing and desk expenses and provide i expect much needed moral uplift.
☟︎ zx2c4: "They published studies but didnt publish the raw data to support their conclusions" - would this be an accurate summary?
mircea_popescu: no. the summary is what i told you : they LIED about doing research ; some victims paid them money ; the data was then published by third parties ; they stole it ; the victims ate it.
zx2c4: s/studies/wordsinapdf/
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i recall many sticking points around the flat; wouldja enumerate? water heater, previous flatrental...?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's plain and simple fraud, and yes of the criminal sort.
mircea_popescu: that fraud does not usually get punished by the "legal system" does not mean either boeck or pirate are respectable items.
ben_vulpes: also this has to be in addition to icecream monies.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: woah okay so thats a whole other dimension
ben_vulpes gotta make some breakfast for other dependents, bbiab
zx2c4: you're saying that nadia and alex and people got PAID by the nsa or somebody not to release certain results?
mircea_popescu: for the record, pirate was also indicted by the us circus at ~our~ pressure, and only after it became obvious to the usg that i am actually making it impossible for him to be of any further "use".
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, no. i am saying that they are intelectually incosequential ninnies, who happened to tell a convenient lie.
zx2c4: well boeck isnt an academic
zx2c4: he's a journalist who likes tinkering with fuzzers and stuff
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: i never even considered the possibility that was some kind of conspiratorial cover story. wow.
zx2c4: so im still a bit fuzzy on the claims here
zx2c4: the ones i have down are:
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, understand the full model of this : ambitious people whose hardware does not support their aspirations (ie, the aspirational 14%) say things that are not true. such as "we did research of so and so". now and again, they happen on a useful lie, something the establishment does not actually want researchedf. so they get a little slop, to encourage them to continue with their nonsense, while their imago is then used to pe
mircea_popescu: rhaps discourage "men alone" (such as, prior to finding this place, yourself) from actually doing the research in question.
mircea_popescu: it works well enough, for as long as the republic doesn't mess up things.
zx2c4: the concrete claims i understand you to be making are:
zx2c4: - academics released wordsonapdf without releasing raw data to support conclusions
zx2c4: - they didnt actually do the research and wordsonapdf were entirely fabricated.
zx2c4: - academics were paid or told by NSA to suppress certain conclusions from their publications.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, 2. 3 is an indirect side effect of no particular consequence.
zx2c4: what is the meaning of the first period in your message? parser error
zx2c4: 2&3? part 3 of item 2?
mircea_popescu: one could readily mechanize the process that created say curtis yarvin's "identity", say.
zx2c4: alright rereading, resynthesizing, adding a claim i understand you to be making too:
zx2c4: - academics released wordsonapdf without releasing raw data to support conclusions *because* they didn't actually do any research to generate said raw data
zx2c4: - academics were paid or told by NSA to suppress certain conclusions from their publications.
zx2c4: - hanno being a journalist is a mere cover story for a more sinister secret government intelligence job he holds.
☟︎ zx2c4: i will ask them about this
mircea_popescu: how about this : "academics/journalists/assorted neets released wordsonapdf without releasing raw data to support conclusions *because* they didn't actually do any research to generate said raw data" ; "these baseless claims were paid fiat paper, because the person ion charge of distributing fiat paper to baseless claims picked them out of the sea of similar batshit insane nonsense emanating from the insane asylum at large, f
zx2c4: i dont really understand...
mircea_popescu: then, when shit hit the fan and both these matters were publicly proven, the reaction of all involved was to deny ; and of all naive bystanders to "memory hole effect".
zx2c4: the claims of those zmap papers certainly arent baseless, since you evidently have hit similar results?
mircea_popescu: you can't say "x is similar to y" when y exists and x does not.
zx2c4: so what if i told you that
zx2c4: ive seen the results and the data with my own eyes
zx2c4: (i actually havent, dont get too excited)
zx2c4: would you be inclined to believe me or would this be evidence that i'm also in on the conspiracy
mircea_popescu: the item exists, re bolix, say. which people saw but did not publish. and are to be very much ashamed of.
zx2c4: well, rest assured, i've personally done a spooky amount of full disclosure stuff...
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, i dunno what conspiracy is under discussion here.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: just trying to wrap my head around the NSA angle on all this. i get all the points about academics taking shortcuts or publishing nonsense. im not seeing the government conspiracy though
mircea_popescu: 4. at some juncture, some dood is sitting on a bale of freshly printed newspaper clippings ^H^H moeny, and has to distribute it.
mircea_popescu: since there is no ~possibility~ of rational merit in the deluge of proposals coming his way and no method allowing him to distinguish between sokal items and science, would it take much for his decision process to become political ?
mircea_popescu: and once it's political, everyone wants in. "publish this because special-interest-group-x wants more stuff like it".
mircea_popescu: there's no need of conspiracy ; just the normal working of ambitious stupidity.
zx2c4: yes, certain topics are trendy
zx2c4: and certain topics help you keep academic positions
zx2c4: and certain topics lead to getitng large grants
mircea_popescu: i am not limiting the discussion to "Trendy". some items are useful to special-interest-group-women-are-people ; some other items are useful to special-interest-group-no-research-in-nsa-subersions-plox and so on
zx2c4: the conspiratorial element in all this would be if, like, the NSA secretly funds academic research in fields it knows to be nonsense, so as to waste the time of otherwise productive people?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do you expect going to work for nsa is, other than "sit here and waste the rest of your life quietly lest the terorists get hold of you and give you something actually useful to do" ?
zx2c4: alright so im just wondering why you think nadia and alex's research falls into a category like that, when they're essentially drawing the same conclusions as your own work (even if they didnt release rawdata as you say etc)
mircea_popescu: every empire is invested principally in a maintenance of the statu quo.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:21 mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
mircea_popescu: they're not "drawing the same conclusions". they're simply trying the equivalent of google keyword stuffing. "hey, maybe if i publish machine-generated pages with words people search for i'll be able to sell traffic"
zx2c4: why does the government have an interest in me hearing about nadia's work rather than your work?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in general your government has an interest in you not talking to me, yes. or to anyone else, if at all possible ; and if not possible then ~not in any meaningful way~.
zx2c4: "theyre trying to cover up the divisors!" isnt really a compelling reason
mircea_popescu: your government basically exists out of, and depends upon, you needing it to interface the world for you.
mircea_popescu: the more you need to be "protected" and "be given just the facts" and so on, the more need for socialism.
zx2c4: and you think that since you've "thought your way out" of the paradigm, you're a threat and so the government has an interest in having people avoid you? kill socrates because he corrupts the young?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, i don't think the usg is capable of representing me at all.
zx2c4: asciilifeform: arent there some commit logs that show where the debian bug comes from? i honestly cant remember
mircea_popescu: there's very limited capacity for understanding the world in complex systems. kinda why they fail.
zx2c4: doesnt it seem like an awful amount of work an effort just to make your work disappear and have people not talk to you?
zx2c4: or do you think it's not actually directly targeted at you but rather a systemic thing
zx2c4: where resources funnel to those who do things most benignly?
zx2c4: asciilifeform: whats a null hypthesis
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, in statistics, it's the universal "no relevance" ; in practice, this must be translated to meaning.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: zx2c4, a) it is not a complaint b) seeing how i'm the one with all the money and all the rapes, i can scarcely conceive what "the world" even is.
mircea_popescu: what world is this, iyo, that's not me and of me ? the squalor of shard dorms ? the plastic cubical farms ? what exactly ?
mircea_popescu: what exactly is prestigious outside of my rating it, i don't get it ? you imagine i even for a second see the people eating rubber chicken at conferences above the prostitutes i don't bother to talk to at strip clubs ? why the fuck would i roflmao.
zx2c4: re:null - its one thing to make claims about how systemic shifts happen. these are usually compelling arguments and interesting, and usually not conspiratorial but still relevant. but when you argue about a *particular* *conspiracy* -- "the debian bug was nsa sabotage" -- now there's a much harder argument to make, because you're talking about some individual @debian.org guy being complicit in one way or another, and he's a human
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, the debian bug was a nsa plant is neitehr controversial nor requires any conspiracy.
zx2c4: lets say you pull the commit log and you see that dkg@debian.org committed it
zx2c4: so then we go and ask dkg
zx2c4: and he's like, "yea, im an idiot..."
mircea_popescu: i'm not asking plebs anything. other than perhaps to get in the wot and do their log reading.
zx2c4: now you can either believe that it was an honest mistake
mircea_popescu: you understand this, dkg is ~not capable~ of saying things.
zx2c4: or you can believe that he's covering things up
zx2c4: [ftr, i have no idea who committed the bug or if theres even a commit log]
zx2c4: if you believe he's covering it up,
zx2c4: then you get to know the guy,
zx2c4: you become best buds, let's say
zx2c4: he's bestman at your wedding
zx2c4: godfather to your first born child
zx2c4: on his deathbed, you ask him
mircea_popescu: jesus christ. re-do this conversation with a six year old girl instead of dkg. "she either enjoyed it or she lied." motherfucker! SHE IS NOT ABLE TO SPEAK.
zx2c4: "NSA tell you to plant that bug?"
zx2c4: you still believe he's lying. in that case, you're really asserting something quite big
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 00:42 mircea_popescu: so while pretty much every adult romanian saw at least one (often enough in the shape of, hey, do you know this guy you've been frioends for 30 years with, since chiuldhood ? well he was trying to fuck your wife and get you imprisoned), apparently there's a NOFORN clause implicit or something, 0 internets.
zx2c4: anyway, the only point im making with this extended debian example is that it's one thing to point to systemic societal shifts and tendencies. its quite another to make a claim about a particular individual and their deceptions. some people are deceptive. others aren't. but it's not a conclusion you can ever jump to trivially
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yeah, the experience of the bitter fruits of socialism is always so inadherent to they inebriated by the flowers.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, not a matter of trivially. what i say has a lot of power, such as to end careers, research lines etcetera.
mircea_popescu: this is why i'm somebody and ten thousand fake media shills are essentially gloves.
mircea_popescu: i suppose he wasn't here for the gavin beheading, imagines the usg can even protect its agents or something like that.
zx2c4: asciilifeform: that quote from mircea_popescu you just pasted is interesting. i didnt know ceausescu did so much "political policing". i dont think i have any experience living in a society like that
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, are you aware some mit schmuck was "in charge of bitcoin" "left by satoshi" and then i said he'd better get lost and then he was kicked off like so much flotsam ?
mircea_popescu: well, "the world" didn't hear "just the facts" about that, either. so...
mircea_popescu: but yes, zx2c4 : there are heuristics which do make human work easier. and it is the tell tale of a made agent, that he gets sent on garbage missions.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: wait what? an mit dude had satoshi's bitcoins but you told him to get lost and now he's disappeared?
mircea_popescu: (made, in case you also weren't there for the berlin games, means to have been spotted.)
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: im really not parsing that sentence
mircea_popescu: ok, well, let's just say there's a lot of history you don't know.
zx2c4: (zx2c4 is a sophisticated chatbot but sometimes his neural network trainings are constrained)
deedbot: phf voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i dun imagine he was much following bitcoin prior to his sudden realisation that it can do things.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: okay lets say there's a lot of history i dont know and that there are only new things in the world?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, "there are no new things in this world besides the history you do not know" is a somewhat famous quip.
zx2c4: oh that what you meant to say
zx2c4: clasic american quote
mircea_popescu: alright. so let's just say there's a lot of history you do not know.
mircea_popescu: this, of course, isn't a crime. but it can readily account for diversity of oppinion.
phf: the mines are consistent: when left to their own devices, they slowly crumble, supports go, and men "unexpectedly!!1" die in a periodic collapse. i come back, i bark, triage the victims, assign a team on rebuilding the supports
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: indeed
zx2c4: im surprised, by the way, to see asciilifeform's claim that communist romania was a picnic compared to modern america. why havent i ever experenced this?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, why don't you realise b was better than a when your experience of b is mediated by the items that produced a ?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, anyway ; his argument is principally that they were straight talking. which is true, the difference between stalin-socialism and roosevelt-socialism is strictly that the cripple shunned straight talk ; whereas the bank robber reveled in it.
mircea_popescu: some people, given the choice of eating shit and being lied about it or eating shit and being told they're eating shit prefer the latter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that visual is the more amusing if one actually ever rode a camel. the animal is large.
zx2c4: asciilifeform: hahahah
mircea_popescu: i dunno anyone ever tried to fuck it, in preference of say fucking the toilet seat hole.
mircea_popescu: maybe the idea comes from their (somewhat rare habit) of copulating lying down rather than standing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you should see all the tmsr-wannabe stuff emanating from the usarmy "dept of research", by the way. it's all about "network centric" technologees such as fighting bots with ethical ethics and whatnot. one helluva riot.
mircea_popescu: kinda. no, it';s more about how "great idea to have robots in combined arms with humans -- they can tattletale!!!"
mircea_popescu: such luzly cluelessness as to how to win a war, it's possibly the prime field of ustardian bogonism. i mean... they can;'t program computers, sure. but at least the computer doesn't shoot you for being an idiot.
mircea_popescu: i imagine they'll be kinda happy once dead. finally, relieved from all these burdens too great, the embarassment of existence.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 15:40 mircea_popescu: it seems to me ridiculous to a degree bordering on infantilism that it is "impossible" to get the data out after being so complexly massaged into utility ; but be that as it may, let phuctor run and report on its website, the interested will try and sift through whatever it publishes on their own time.
mircea_popescu: trinque, de-follow phuctor rss when you have a minute ?
mircea_popescu: not to be forgotten about , though, dood's done some excellent work for it.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 03:55 asciilifeform: also a 32cpu/1mil shots/key fermatron is running
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I can come up with a number, but I would like to see a proposal coming from the board that covers a year and moves away from the month to month shoot from the hip approach. A big part of the appeal of submitting to management was outsourcing the worry allocation. Even if it takes a week or two, seeing the board work through the process of putting an offer together so I don't have to stress over assembling an offer. Now
BingoBoingo: that there are numbers which we didn't have in February it would be a great comfort generally to see the board coming forward with plans, however rough, that at least expand out to a year.
BingoBoingo:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809223 << The cinches seem to be a rather solved problem at this point. Since the Cowork bathroom stopped being a viable location for banging, picking up a hotelroom one night every 8-9 days has helped the morale. I can continue the hostel life for quite some time. The bigger morale hit is... the lack of pocket money and the lack of a clear future where there is more pocket money. Room in the budget to
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 16:47 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: i dun object; pizarro needs a better foundation than a writhing pile of chinches. i'd like to get a flat down there; this can consolidate the housing and desk expenses and provide i expect much needed moral uplift.
BingoBoingo: do shit like buy pants that fit without feeling pressured to itemize the expense would be appreciated. A proposal with less leibenstraum could also be acceptable if it includes lump sum payments for hitting certain milestones.
BingoBoingo:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809228 << Water heater, all of the furnishings, several kinds of deposits. From there a flat incurs utility bills and "gastos communes" monthly. Then there is the matter of whether it is Pizarro's apartment of Bingo's apartment. I am also a bit apprehensive about personally signing yet another 24 month contract totaling in the 5 figure USD range while so much of Pizarro is still being done on a month
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 16:47 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i recall many sticking points around the flat; wouldja enumerate? water heater, previous flatrental...?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A couple weeks out, Target date to have it in hand is the 16th barring any surprises
mod6: chinches = bedbugs?
mod6: BingoBoingo: what do you mean by 'leibenstraum'?
mod6: doesnt parse for mod6
mod6: Look, I would apprciate if we can use plain language, no spanglish, no whatever flower-y things. I just need to read-once, parse-once.
☟︎ mod6: Lol, oh yeah, i hear ya. I'm not disputing the need for a 'flat' or whatever, just trying to make sure I understand these points being made.
mod6: And by all means, use whatever language in #trilema; I'm referring to when discussing pizarro proposals with me in particular. Too many mental gymnastics otherwise.
BingoBoingo: screeching monkeys are more like a one weekend out of every two sort of deal. I stress more over decisions like "when am I going to replace my pants (all of them) with ones that fit?"
mod6: You shouldn't have to do this.
mod6: I'm simply saying, you should not have to translate for men who already 'speak' english.
mod6: Anyway, I'm all for it if we think we can make it work.
mod6: But maybe some details are in order.
mod6: 2) What is BB spending that is not recorded.
mod6: 3) How much is /entire/ cost of flat, bla bla.
mod6: what is a 'shore leaves' ?
mod6: I'm totally clueless here, you'll have to forgive me.
mod6: You're saying, every eight or nine days, you need to get a hotel room to bang some girls.
mod6: Got it. Just say that next time, jeeze.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mod6: Wasting 3 minutes of my time to ponder that is kinda .. exactly what I'm saying.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> what is a 'shore leaves' ? << At some point, usually 7 days after the last bang session the peruana starts to feel abandoned and to keep her available I have to find a place to bang her out. For a while the Cowork bathrooms were adequate for this purpose, but after one particularly energetic night/morning using the Cowork bathrooms for exercise became untenable. And people at the hostel gotta sleep. Thusly on day 8 or 9 I get a
BingoBoingo: hotel room, and the Peruana and I get to work on improving morale.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 18:04 BingoBoingo:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809228 << Water heater, all of the furnishings, several kinds of deposits. From there a flat incurs utility bills and "gastos communes" monthly. Then there is the matter of whether it is Pizarro's apartment of Bingo's apartment. I am also a bit apprehensive about personally signing yet another 24 month contract totaling in the 5 figure USD range while so much of Pizarro is still being done on a month
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Sent 1 minute ago: <asciilifeform> i realized nao that if i fire up the thing as described, we won't have the hostnames. they are are (currently) trinque-produced.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Here they like to stretch the lease to 24 or 36 months. The fifth figure comes from figuring the full contract length.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: BingoBoingo devoted a great deal of space to the subj in own www and in the logs, i assumed , imho justifiably, that you knew. << I did hear about a 'girl', which I was happy to hear! I just didn't know what 'shore leaves' was. Had to do 3 minutes of gymnastics. This is about comms with mod6.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, yeah but i mean, i paid quarterly as a rule, and it was exceptional. they generally do monthly payments. the wisdom of doing 3 year lump sum payments to spanish speaking peoples is debatable in any case.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it would not be inconceivable either pizarro or nsa buys some real estate in that town, i guess.
mod6: When discussing business decisions, indeed, this would be great. I'm pretty thick, you see.
mod6: Picture in my mind... when I read 'shore leaves', I start taking that literally, like 'oh, he went to BA?! nice! How come he didn't say so?!?!?!', etc etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 18:18 mod6: Look, I would apprciate if we can use plain language, no spanglish, no whatever flower-y things. I just need to read-once, parse-once.
mod6: I just prefer not to look things up if something can be said such as: "hey, the cocksuckers are cramping my style, need some space between myself and them"
mod6: lot less mystery there.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right, been burned on the advanced payments here before. Just looking at the total sum of things.
mod6: deep breaths mod6, deep breaths.
mircea_popescu: they do at-will rentals anyway. the term is enforceable against the owner ; not so much the tenant. anyway.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 18:30 asciilifeform: !Q later tell mircea_popescu i realized nao that if i fire up the thing as described, we won't have the hostnames. they are are (currently) trinque-produced.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 02:38 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, the reason it was done this way originally was not a price consideration but forced societal insertion.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> I just prefer not to look things up if something can be said such as: "hey, the cocksuckers are cramping my style, need some space between myself and them" << As mentioned, I have the hostel side of that rather settled. My immediate concern is pants. That will be followed by something else reaching the end of its service life, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, just ignore it. eventually the data will have to be prettified. when someone has the time.
mircea_popescu: that takes him then to what, (570 +311 +620)*1.1 ? ie, marginally costing more than the dc ?
mircea_popescu: well, considering from experience few locals have even half that to play with, should make survival possible.
mircea_popescu banged plenty of what locally counted for middle class gals who nevertheless maintained the pretense on 5-600 a month.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well, considering from experience few locals have even half that to play with, should make survival possible. << The locals have their parents and grandparents to live with.
mircea_popescu: to quote one of barry fitzgerald's best roles (the naked city) : "Fifty bucks!"
trinque: asciilifeform: optionally I can aim this at you, just like mircea_popescu's trilema comments
mircea_popescu: oh and a spiffy thing that is indeed! i'm like an eagle with my comments now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, feel free to even quote the choicier bits in the logs. the only problem is the wall, really.
mircea_popescu: in the end we came up with a wetware replacement for having to write python wrappers for sql. GO A TEAM!
☟︎ trinque: asciilifeform: done, shall barf via pm from now on
trinque: could, but the thing is dumb and shall hit your rss once per person
trinque: doesn't bother me then, folks can let me know if they want to receive.
lobbes: Phew. Now I can focus on getting trb node up this weekend (hit some barfs last night when building, will post details tonight). Also, logbot-based tickerbot is getting closer (tm) to existing >>
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809600 ☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 18:52 mircea_popescu: in the end we came up with a wetware replacement for having to write python wrappers for sql. GO A TEAM!
lobbes ended up getting a cheap dedi out in kansas or w/e for 25 bezzlebux. Soley for trb-ing. Drawback is it has hdd, but going to try and use the aggressive pushgetblocks patch. Seems like diana_coman had nice results with similar experimentation
diana_coman: lobbes, indeed; pushgetblocks patch seems to keep hdd node at the top without any problem
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 19:29 asciilifeform experimentally ordered , from shitazon, a qty of jumper cables for connection of FG to rockchippen, to be mailed to BingoBoingo , claims they will be received by may the 10th
mircea_popescu: yeah, they lost that whole thing. intel's getting cisco'd.
ben_vulpes: what do y'all use for summing big lists of bitcoin values?
ben_vulpes: i'm sitting here getting float errors out of everything but my pad of paper
trinque: with the precision set to the appropriate range
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: well that only looks correct because of truncation, sbcl locally sez '8.75863727'
ben_vulpes: of course satoshi had to pick a number of decimals guaranteed to break everything in the world.
trinque: or use the python "Decimal" type, with strings passed to constructor
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm getting demonstrably wrong numbers out of sbcl when subtracting
ben_vulpes: see the line i sent to candi_lustt just a moment ago
trinque: ben_vulpes: are you using format on the output?
trinque: recall I saw this with the deedbot wallet? type is too small
ben_vulpes: i have a (setf *read-default-float-format* 'double-float) in my .sbclrc
ben_vulpes: and no, unformatted, returning values to the repl
mircea_popescu: trinque> with the precision set to the appropriate range << this is the important part.
trinque: ben_vulpes: hm dunno then.
ben_vulpes: trinque: the error reproduces in the ios "pcalc" but not in the google calculator
ben_vulpes: genuinely thought that i had forgotten my kindergarten subtraction algorithms for a moment
mircea_popescu: i get 8.75845727 amusingly enough. echo "9.15831827-0.399861" | bc
trinque: isn't a programming environment sure, batshit language, yes, but all *these* sorts of problems were worn off by the flow of industry over the surface
mircea_popescu: even more amusingly : diana_coman spent the past two days working with floats. not entirely unrelated problems.
ben_vulpes: hey trinque wouldja share your definition for bitcoin_amount
ben_vulpes: next month this all goes into a database
mircea_popescu: i can do his one better : select '9.15831827' - '0.399861' produces "8.758457270000001".
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: !W (coerce (- (+ 9 15831827/100000000) (+ 0 399861/1000000)) 'double-float)
phf: i don't know what they did in sbcl that it gives 8.75863727 locally, but with double float cmucl gives 8.758457270000001 and with double-double-float it's 8.75845727w0
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 13:15 asciilifeform: ( ieee floats are in effect a demented, drooling integer stack which ~pseudorandomly skips bits )
a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 17:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: easy, just don't use the idiot ieee float
BingoBoingo: Take your time, do math, and come up with a counter offer.
ben_vulpes: could i possibly induce you to set up a bouncer on the shared machine so i can tabcomplete your name after you close your laptop?
ben_vulpes: mk well let me know what doesn't make sense at your leisure
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Sorry about the join/parts. I will put a bouncer on the punch list. Moved the terminal to do some relaxed balcony computing only to discover this weekend's crowd is a bunch of non-verbal retards here for some sort of convention.
BingoBoingo: If they could communicate, the would probably try insisting they are merely deaf but their movement patterns and posturing betray deficits beyond hearing loss.
ben_vulpes: heh you know precisely what i'm actually bitching about
mod6: ugh that was brutal. nothing says "friday afternoon" like an impromptu VLAN renumbering.
mod6: ben_vulpes: thanks for the posting of the April Report!
mod6: Question for ya: Is the depreciation (monthly) of UY2 really 0.33333333 ? Or maybe is supposed to be 0.03333333 ?
mod6: Also, in your first table (nitpick) : s/S.NG/S.MG/
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's an accounting practice; we could in theory only depreciate the SSDs and hold the machines onthebooks forever to reflect your view that the iron doesn't actually lose value.
ben_vulpes: this is very much not standard practice tho, and imho better to show a conservative estimate of what assets are (losing value month by month) than to inflate possibly controversially the valance sheet
ben_vulpes: no not really, it's more interesting later on in the trajectory "revenues on assets of whatever"
ben_vulpes: but go on about the numbers that interest you
mod6: Oh, on the good side today! I went to that .ua place again for a fantastic ruben... and bought some of their sweet italian sausages, and smoked cheddarworst.
mod6: lol, overall, a push I suppose.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 20:12 ben_vulpes: what is better about this?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, it's also terrible practice that i read "tooling" and then "zip ties" and "llave". srsly now, put them all in tooling and ((enum)) if need be.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, more shockingly, can you explain how the hell you folks posted a 0.55620116 ebidta gain this period ? i mean i get it, sold .4 worth of equity ; but the rest ?!
mircea_popescu: also, seeing how 13.86965669 != 13.81965669 your books aren't balanced. wtf happened ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, you're confusing the concept of par value for shares (which is 0.00001 considering you issued 1.1mn on 11 btc capital) with book value per share, a different item.
mircea_popescu: ah, the rest because you booked some yearly contracts, i see, i see.
mircea_popescu: prolly should look into the concept of "unearned income". technically money you were paid for services you've not yet rendered belongs to the customers' equity line.