mircea_popescu: entitlowank. somehow it wasn't so offensive in the 90s
mircea_popescu: no. i recall the faggots, not yet VERY overweight, going to the things that meanwhile got captured by apple, much like coca-cola captured xmas
mircea_popescu: they looked ridiculous, yes, but they were not yet offensive.
mircea_popescu: tho i harbored no notion of their presence being acceptable at my table.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the first time black fucktoy whispers nonsense in the bedroom it's rather condiment than a reason to flay her kind alive.
mircea_popescu: anyway. they DID have this glare in eye liek exactly as described. as if they believed celestial mom and dad are preparing the feasrt for them, and they best but fidgetingly wait.
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt anyone at any level had any plans besides "paradise begins once we outlive the soviets"
shinohai: Don't like the current face? Just airbrush another on!
mircea_popescu: anyway, they never specify because they never give a shit. you're generally supposed to have a new book you're trying to promote or such.
mircea_popescu: prostitution wasn't on the table. more like marriage.\
mircea_popescu: you know all tjhe pretense of superiority of "honest" women always amused me. their pretense goes, that they could whore at any time, opt not to. in reality, whores could marry at any time, opt not to.
ben_vulpes: in other woman stories, the wasps chewed a hole through the ceiling into the nursery last night
ben_vulpes: $girl handled whole thing from duct taping hole shut to bitching out landlord to scheduling exterminators and arranging for bill to arrive at landlord's place
mircea_popescu: apparently now can marry even witouit having been woman.
ben_vulpes: well, 'bitching out' perhaps too strong. "you're going to do something right RIGHT?" "uh well yes we should do something!"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: makes my lips numb, i don't really want it in the house.
mircea_popescu: ddt is rather toxic ; random other examples notwithstanding.
shinohai: Otherwise USG wouldn't be payong benefits to all these peeps that developed cancer from Agent Orange in Vietnam
ben_vulpes: much less the nursery lol, i am old and nigh to my grave and so spray liberally about myself. but the wee ones? i'm nottabout to pump the kid full of chemicals when i go so far the fuck out of my way to keep them out of his life in the first place.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform while that is true, it's also not a proof ddt is safe. it's not particularly safe.
mircea_popescu: wasp stings are actually a health benefit, within bounds.
mircea_popescu: compared to malaria even cesium comes out smelling pretty good
ben_vulpes: subject of mosquitos, BingoBoingo have y'ever fucked with 'octenol'?
mircea_popescu: depenmds what you replace it with. the only time i actually used something, i boiled tobacco.
mircea_popescu: if its a paper wasp colony, destroing the nest is usually enough.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'tis only a stopgap while i deploy rentier's capital
mircea_popescu: anyway. straight alcohol, like the 99 proof stuff for making at home liqueur. fire hazard, but otherwise repellent and killer of bugs.
deedbot: carlos222 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: aaaahahahaha o brother. "postmodern film/video theory & crit with an emphasis on phenomenology" ? reheheheally.
☟︎ mod6: <+asciilifeform> removal of ddt was one of the original triumphs of rampant envirowhinery. << "it softens up the eagle eggs!!1"
mircea_popescu: anyway. the problem with ddt was bioaccumulation. it was the original spark for a lot of the current understanding of "why it is bad to eat agroindustrial shit". ddt is weakly toxic, but it and metabolites accumulate, get stored in fat, etcetera.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> no. i recall the faggots, not yet VERY overweight, going to the things that meanwhile got captured by apple, much like coca-cola captured xmas << In elementry school historical context for the then present was established to be "on the verge of paradise, if only we stop littering"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the other half of it being that it is very toxic to fish ; back then people still had this strange notion that oceans will continue populated in the indefinite future.
mircea_popescu: this heresy has meanwhile been renounced in all but open admission.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'd much rather eat it, than anything sold nao << Any more the only things labeled for indoor use are permethrins
mod6: i suppose the only non-toxic way to get rid of the nearby mosquitoes is to buy up all the surrounding properties and then take a flame thrower to the lawns.
BingoBoingo: Mosquitoes are outdoor problem so you get to use BTi, which as complex protein is harmless unless immune system is bored and decides to bake an allergy
mircea_popescu: well, we ate them, we fukushima'd them, for a while we also ddt'd them. we still plastic slush them, it's a large ocean.
mircea_popescu: and i'm not discussing other items. the thesis was this one, not "this one compared to arbitrary others"
BingoBoingo: Scarcity of oceanic edibles is likely still more synthetic girly hormones getting pissed out unmetabolized and Seaciety suffering pantsuit
BingoBoingo: "Sea People + Semen = Seaciety" - Eric Cartman
trinque: they're all going in; what's this "the one thing they don't want you to know about dead fish"
trinque: can be pantsuit-piss, fukushima, corexit, "fertilizer", etc
trinque: one thing in common is that nobody involved had any idea what they were doing
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i'm not convinced that cumulative ( and yes -- mega-seekrit, it is ) damage to nervous system from organophosphates, beats ddt << Where do you live that wealth of organophosphates are still available with indoor labeling? Around here store shelves have Malathion - outdoors, Carbaryl - outdoors, and Dichlorvos - unoccupied enclosed spaces and bagged bedding in war on bedbugs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik the thing was, much like "clean engine exhaust", entirely euro-nonsense.
trinque: should stop the mass production of food instead : solved.
mircea_popescu: is the next proposition going to be "michael moore matters" ?
mircea_popescu: o look, wikipedia manages a very uscentric view of things and items lol. mk.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And exposed to oxygen and sunlight they survive how long? Proximity to factory would be bigger concern than proximity to deployment.
trinque: the whole thing is based upon "mass produced idiot should be fed, gonna have to mass produce whatever 3 crops and feed them their derpmeal"
trinque: usg pours subsidies into it
mircea_popescu: ddt is entirely euro item. invented by swiss, used to clear europe of eg malaria. euros changed their mind in the 60s
trinque: was being used in agriculture, which I'd wager is where most of the bulk of what ended up in the ocean originated
mircea_popescu: (and ftr, the usians had been whining about it just about since ww2. rando with a "book" on the topic is about as relevant as pink.)
mircea_popescu: trinque ironically, most of what ended up in the ocean was dumoped there by us army trying to replicate successful european usage.
mircea_popescu: but ftr -- first that banned it was hungary ; and generally the warsaw pact. not teh us.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i'll rack the "us--major player in ddt history" up there with "apple could buy russia" and all other self-referential wank.
BingoBoingo: US was definitely big user though, river valleys in Mid west all malarial north to Chicago until the chemming
BingoBoingo: Now we just have loser non-threatening beta mosquitos
mircea_popescu: cheap to make, pretty much everyone with a chem plant made some. which is how the soviets ended up using it.
mircea_popescu: (at the time, soviet industry more or less indian industry today)
trinque: guess I'm wrong about the proportions of ddt use re: ag. I have counted mass-production of The American Dream among the place's sins.
mircea_popescu: "I'm now an HTML coder at a startup in San Francisco. The “World Wide Web” has enabled me to crawl out of my debt-hole and bootstrap myself into the lower middle class. For the first time in my adult life, I can afford to <b>eat</b> in restaurants where I don't<b> work.</b" << if anyone's curious or keeping score, THIS is what impels all the dizzy dorks of today. their very own VHS tapes, if you will.
trinque: gotta have... corn! as far as the eye can see
mircea_popescu: trinque the picture of sad yet resplendent idiocy over time comes into much better focus if one comes to term with the saddest fact of all : at every juncture and throughout, everyone really meant well.
trinque: just make the HTML coders all grow their own damn food, keep them occupied. not as "envirowhiner" but "hands full, own life in them"
mircea_popescu: twasn't, per se, "gotta have... corn! as far as the eye can see" in any way or in any sense other than the 1950s romanians being impressed with the ro commies "a LINE OF TRACTORS! 100 deep!!!"
trinque: ah it's your towards purpose thing, of course.
mircea_popescu: it was a great accomplishment for a bunch of people who had a very direct experience of the hardness of soil, worked with hand-made tools pulled by sick horses and pregnant wives -- and i mean this literally.
mircea_popescu: people today have very litle mental adherence to that ancient "nothing's heavier than earth" thing. kinda why making chicks mudfight is good for their brainbox.
mircea_popescu: "html trier-and-errorer" doesn't have the same ring to it.
jurov: they took djb's joke seriously
☟︎ jurov: systemd on boot doing GET requests there in 3..2..1
mod6: bitbet is back? thought that guy vaporized?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: blackzilla is enjoying the seasonal weather more than i'm enjoying the seasonal smoke. being downwind of the massive bc fires isn't doing wonders for the ol' respiratory tract. (waking up coughing, etc.) . needless to say i've a newfound appreciation for the sorry denizens of chinese mega-cities. it's one of those "you never know what you've got until it's gone" (tm) things
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2015-09-09 22:08 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'hagana' et al set the gold standard for blowing up brits, aha
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 23:16 asciilifeform: ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel'
a111: Logged on 2017-06-13 14:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very funny that jew thing you dug out. literally, the ENTIRE argument is "hey, let us scam you, because that's what goverments do, and if the goyim see us scamming you they'll believe w r government".
pete_dushenski: not totally sure i buy the thesis but i can see where it comes from. at the very least current-day .co.il has 'chechens' to actively oppress, unlike us which just beats the piss out of itself.
shinohai: My favorite Maskil, pete_dushenski .... how goes?
shinohai: Good here, thanks. Up to my eyebrows in home projects.
pete_dushenski: or maybe translation is a project for otherwise loose cannons (eg. adlai )
shinohai: More like reinas around here ;)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i'm more inclined to liken the 'new' .il to that of 'new' china : sucks up resources of imploding empire for as long as the going is good all while increasing self-sustainability and military capability. israel might be socialist but they're nowhere near as soft-bodied as the decaying west. closer to .su-.cn hybrid than .su-.us hybrid.
pete_dushenski: lol gotta love that bitbet is back... o brother what a gongshow.
pete_dushenski: you think anyone takes usg's ip racket seriously anymore ? this isn't then 1960s
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: and ? what does this prove other than that girl playing house knocks on wall of cardboard box before entering ?
pete_dushenski: then again the alternative to public yeshiva is 'lurker' than somehow, someway never seems to mature into full blown adulthood.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: no argument that payola is funneled, but cui bono ?
pete_dushenski: reich doesn't need challenging anymore, does it. looks like it's pretty well occupied with the enemy within.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-01 00:44 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1511937 << oh, "color revolutions" dun work ? tell you what, we'll steal your country's exports and with the proceeds finance an alt-country we'll pretend is realy your country. ha-ha!
pete_dushenski: just like chopped liver, you only like reich if you grew up with it.
trinque: > ultra-specialized in the 'divide and conquer' thing << superpower of the schizoid?
pete_dushenski: just because you're eating the liver, doesn't mean you won't find another source of food when it's gone or as soon as the aging father finally croaks. but this is a stretch analogy.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: ya, reaching for sure. the point upstack was that paying sticker for pharma helps arm .il to the gills more than it helps usg maintain international kommonity relevance and that the former will outlast the latter
pete_dushenski: recall that .il can and did actually build 'wall', not just talk about 'when i'm elected ima do such and such herpadurr'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: because everyone know you need fighter jet in 21st century!!!1
pete_dushenski: for whatever 'cybermilitary' is worth, i'd pit .il against any other
☟︎ trinque recalls mircea_popescu's observation re: CN and missiles
trinque: in contrast to aircraft carrier Power Projection (TM)
pete_dushenski: this is post-nation-state world, cyber-d and a little bit of land is the best you can hope for.
pete_dushenski: mojahed runs winbloze... on phone. or his boss does. or his gf does. or the new recruit does. "coming to a pocket near you" (tm)
trinque: what'd happen with the various sunni powers if suddenly usg vanished?
trinque: meanwhile, correct me if wrong, they're all stacked with american military hardware
trinque: was this true in the last such war?
☟︎ trinque: my amateur eye sees, at least, a region stacked for a rough war.
pete_dushenski: when su 'vanished' did nuke codes leak ? if so, why no kablooey ?
☟︎ trinque: y'know, if they're used to leaning on / suckling from USG, and it crumbles, they might consider leaning on whichever is biggest. turkey?
trinque: buy from RU/CN; do either of them like Israel?
trinque: right, so usg crumbles, erdrogan or whoever throws a big neo-caliphate party, invites everyone to go israel-stomping. russia and china collectivey "meh" and lol at the US losing a colony
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 15:49 asciilifeform: the need to use un-NATed boxes as proxies, so that NATed boxes can speak with one another, creates star topologies
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 15:50 asciilifeform: which makes the whole thing quite vulnerable.
trinque: pete_dushenski: looks like your link got snipped
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 08:40 jurov: they took djb's joke seriously
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 16:32 asciilifeform: the real usgtronic gem here is that there's massive existing investment in 'this is a transform of SOME dna sequence, SOMEWHERE, now tell me which' hardware
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 15:41 asciilifeform: drilling holes in NAT is - apparently -- an open problem again.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this may be a "yes, meanwhile all", haven't looked.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this goes on the list of tasks. "find nat hole".
mircea_popescu: shinohai mind tweeting @samykamar ? apparently he's active. we wanna talk about pwnat.
mircea_popescu: "Apparently future-dated gps packets disable Stingray phone signal intercept devices. The device thinks its license has expired and locks up." in other lulz
shinohai: Appears @samykamar has deleted account or fell afoul of twitter lawz. My own account finally got limited.
mircea_popescu: shinohai and see if @Fox0x01 wants to come over also. apparently there's chicks into "offensive sec" whatever that is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's the thing : we don't actually have the problem of nat traversal. in the following sense : gossipd is not intended to work without introduction. as part of the introduction, the introducer server can provide ips. those can then be used for everything, bitcoind, you name it.
mircea_popescu: basically the operating system of the republic will be gossipd.
mircea_popescu: making everything depend on gossipd present and running is the right thing anyway.
mircea_popescu: but whosoever does connect, puts in tmsr, ie, gossipd + uci whatever.
mircea_popescu: suppose you have nodes A, B behind a nat. suppose A and B run gossipd, and have been introduced to C. A aiming to connect to B or vice-versa for any reason is accomplished through : A asks C for an ip for B. C provides A with ip for B and B with notification of A's request (at the least, its ip).
mircea_popescu: B can now become C for D ; and A can now become C for Z.
mircea_popescu: ie, problem reduced to bootstrapping, significantly lower class.
mircea_popescu: ie, D then asks B, "what about A ?" and B provides ip and notification to A.
mircea_popescu: you have nodes N1...Nn all behind a nat. Server S popus up and connects them in pairs such that no Ni is without at least one peer. Server S dies. The whole N1..Nn remains connected forever, notwithstanding how any NjNk connections may die.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: should any Nq become isolated, it will require a S to be reintroduced.
mircea_popescu: this is not a problem, but a good thing : provides monetary incentive to maintain node connections
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the correct approach to that problem is for all boxes which can not obtain leased ips but only dynamic ips to own two internet connections.\
mircea_popescu: this is ALSO good : breask the ip-box bijectivity, as was intention all along transparently throughout spec docs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform will get reinstalled every ip change i guess.
mircea_popescu: anyway -- the way to collect is that you don't have to pay for a S coming up. just like the car using less gasoline -- you do collect.
mircea_popescu: a box you own can connect to the network through the usual process : asks all your peers for peers to connect to.
mircea_popescu: i dun follow what the problem's supposed to be with the above scheme.
mircea_popescu: you keep wanting the solution expressed in different terminology and upon delivery promptly proceed to change the terminology.
mircea_popescu: "i have boxes that don't respond to unknowns and no way to make unknowns known can has solution ?" alfian style problem.
mircea_popescu: there's temporary Sn. this is quite literally just how life is.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 18:50 mircea_popescu: you have nodes N1...Nn all behind a nat. Server S popus up and connects them in pairs such that no Ni is without at least one peer. Server S dies. The whole N1..Nn remains connected forever, notwithstanding how any NjNk connections may die.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "actual solution" will be exploiting hole in nat which depends on nat staying stupid in that specific way, which pwnat experience shows is worse than nothing.
trinque: pf: pf_normalize_tcp_stateful failed on first pkt << deedbot departures appear to correspond with this.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: necessarily. if you grant nat implemented correctly, your problem is exactly that of the british girl on the deserted island. "so how was the sex ?" "i dunno, no star topoloigies!!!"
mircea_popescu: nonsense. "the eternal hole" is worse delusion than proper fuckoff.
mircea_popescu: the whole "will never as long as www" bullshit is just a larger cycle pwnat delusion.
mircea_popescu: "oh, the soviets could never x because market". da fuck do the soviets care.
trinque: which amusingly enough is emitted right before this comment in pf.c: /* This really shouldn't happen!!! */
mircea_popescu: remember when amd would never have dared stopping contributing to coreboot because "public opinion" ?
mircea_popescu: again -- stop baking empire into your work. whether positively or negatively.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not at all. strictly like as you see all around today.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 18:50 mircea_popescu: you have nodes N1...Nn all behind a nat. Server S popus up and connects them in pairs such that no Ni is without at least one peer. Server S dies. The whole N1..Nn remains connected forever, notwithstanding how any NjNk connections may die.
mircea_popescu: it can be solved, by peers, as above. as long as some kind of net exists. any kind.
mircea_popescu: you can put whatever you want in that list, and should put plenty of crap.
mircea_popescu: you put, on the box you own, whatever list of your peers as you deem fit.
mircea_popescu: as long as at least one of them actually works, the box is now connected. and will stay connected.
mircea_popescu: and will discover peers and act as a peer beacon for others and so on.
mircea_popescu: ". A aiming to connect to B or vice-versa for any reason is accomplished through : A asks C for an ip for B. C provides A with ip for B and B with notification of A's request (at the least, its ip)." << A sends C a request. C sends A an ip for B and B an ip for A. both B and A start broadcasting at each other fixed packets until the conn is established.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is only a problem in the sense of "i have decided to not work today so i can't"
mircea_popescu: trb has problems resulting from being written by monkeys.
mircea_popescu: what creates massive stars in practice is that the geeks doing this have no peers.
mircea_popescu: if i put up a box my S list will look nothing like yours.
mircea_popescu: and, to stick to fundamentals : your whole argument "proves" that #trilema could not exist.
mircea_popescu: yet, notwithstanding sina's concerns, we did manage to bootstrap trust out of nothing.
mircea_popescu: there's no other way socialisation works than by introduction. this is not a problem. you are welcome to approach it, but you will be wasting your time.
mircea_popescu: a better world for computers where the rapist-racism of needing someone to introduce you has been resolved is truly not in any way different than the same re people.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 23:34 mircea_popescu: what fucking fix. they can't open it anymore than they can fuck the woman on the deserted island. "nobody to introduce us!!1"
mircea_popescu: amusingly i also put it in the log earlioer today. so what of it ?
mircea_popescu: this is neither a solution nor a problem nor something fit for discussion.
mircea_popescu: also gives the state of the art re mate finding in the greater uslandia. and it's the lulz of all time.
mircea_popescu: next we're gonna what, come up with flip flops for computers ?
mircea_popescu: back to it -- once A knows what ip B is at and B knows what ip A is at, they can exchange crafter packets to the point of parlaying it into an established connection. in order to find these, they both rely on their peers. if they have no peers, they don't properly speaking exist, and an angel from above in the shape of a tmsr lord will have to bless them with the spark of life.
mircea_popescu: and yes the fact that the list of S must be at least a dozen different lists and each a grosse long is why we can't do this arbitrarily early.
mircea_popescu: this is not what i see. what i see is that you have a list of C1..n machines ; some of which are included arbitrarily in a list of S1...j and some of which are not.
mircea_popescu: any C could at any point be a S or not be a S (and because of encryption observer can't even tell which it is)
mircea_popescu: but -- the fact that A happens to already have a connection to B and therefore B can S for him does not imply or require either A or B be not behind a nat.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: new guy walks in. how is he distinguishable from usg.pinoy ?
mircea_popescu: the solution is that some "people" will accept noobs and some won't. in practice, everyone will run multiple interfaces and thassat.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 18:56 mircea_popescu: is this "how to run software on block of wood" ?
mircea_popescu: "has no internet connection, and no rng. can still use ?"
mircea_popescu: the sad truth is that everyone is subject to key compromise at any time.
mircea_popescu: but yes -- the standard here is that at no point will you know (or care!) whether box A is box A or box E.
mircea_popescu: whether server A im talking to i'm talking so it adds 2 and 2 for me, or gives me a new friend, or shoots a missile, is not a part of design consideration.
mircea_popescu: i expect step 0 : rewrite mbr, fix rest of hdd, reboot into sane os.
mircea_popescu: i see absolutely 0 reason of tmsr tolerating non tmsr software on same box. wipe it all on sight.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 05:27 mircea_popescu: !#s "can we have everything louder than everything else"
mircea_popescu: this whole "bitcoin ransom" bs is just that, an ouverture.
mircea_popescu: the end game is, your computer was liberated from the crap. your "data" made on your "software". no need for either, grow up.
mircea_popescu: he can do whatever he pleases. ideally stop with the inane bullshit.
mircea_popescu: but like i just said ? if you end up owning a machine with crap installed, what do you do ? wipe the crap, install a sane os and continue.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why would it be "mirceapopescu os" ? it's just a sane os. he can say hi in gossipd.
mircea_popescu: and yes, he's more than welcome to take a hammer at it / take it back to winapple shop to "have it fixed" (and it will be, and then re-fixed and so on)
mircea_popescu: uci does not convey OWNership of box but permits USAGE thereof.
phf: what a beautiful idea
mircea_popescu: phf ikr ? seems the most placid obviousness to me somehow. i must be a little odd.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being, loser can just let uci churn, watch his bitcoin acrete. why not.
mircea_popescu: what do they do when their gfx card dun fit the game ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: so far the ~only problem i can discern keeping cool things from long ago existing is the pretense of allowing idiots choice.
mircea_popescu: take that away, let them learn how to use a tmsr computer or do without a computer at all.
mircea_popescu: why the fuyck competer in "gui" when you can just compete in holes and either bury the stubborn or else watch windows turn into very much tmsr kicking and screaming ?
mircea_popescu: back to the topic : the idea is to have properly arranged owned boxes. this will include gossipd as a basis, uci on top of that if the OWNer opts to, bitcoind on top of that likely, a devenv, whatever.
mircea_popescu: this is how water flows, and how everything else happens.
mircea_popescu: windows will either compete with tmsr or go away. if it competes -- it becomes. if it goes away -- it becomes. there is no choice and there is no will.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: if it competes -- it becomes. if it goes away -- it becomes.
mircea_popescu: there is major difference between competition in software and competition in (any kind of) hardware. very narrow protein spaces in biofilms.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (by spaces i mean spaces of possibilities, you can write any succession of letters but can't make any molecule you need work the way you'd expect)
mircea_popescu: there's less optionality in nature. if you need a GABA, you will use... GABA. that's it. most software problems of comparable complexity allow multiple solutions.
trinque: markets appear to solve it.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-15 15:16 mircea_popescu: aaand in other news, who wants to wire 2.5k for me ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 15:19 mircea_popescu: and entirely unrelatedly : anyone willing to stand up an irc bot for me (as a service for hire deal) and expose some kind of programmable interface that can read messages to it, process and push out a reply ? bonus points if i don't have to learn crazy-shitstick-"$modernlanguage".
mircea_popescu: what, that they happened over freenode rather than over gossipd ? that the latter is "not properly uci" ?
mircea_popescu: if i ask the owner of machine A to write me a bubblesort or write abada on his tits or whatever ?
trinque: asciilifeform: sounds like you're thinking of UCI as one giant virtual machine atop which godman inca runs his programs
trinque: rather than here I sit, I paid some nodes to do work, turned out the output was useful to me
trinque: so I'll pay them to do more
mircea_popescu: yes, because you have in your head a rigid model of a specific thing. but you see, l1 is not defined afore the fact. l1 is WHAT EMERGES from this process, whatever it may be.
mircea_popescu: that's why the original lordship discussion says "it's not an argument that these are the best, we don't care who's the best. these -- are."
mircea_popescu: well if l1 ends up as a skirt to hide inca into that'd be one sad fucking outcome.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that i have a definition, but the afore-the-fact grates.
trinque: the imaginary observer before whom the whole UCI topology sits, with equal results for all-comers
mircea_popescu: let us take a very lengthy detour if you'll indulge me.
mircea_popescu: so : there obviously is such a thing as "mainstream society". people meet, get married, have kids watch tv whatever. there ALSO is such a thing as "a bdsm community".
mircea_popescu: ok. now, it is the oft unspoken but nevertheless common self flattery of all males that they are "doms" or "masters" whatever.
mircea_popescu: it is also the sad truth of biology that almost none actually are.
mircea_popescu: women find themselves caught up in the usual sad position their lot ends caught up in : they're stuck bridging reality and male nonsense.
mircea_popescu: so, suppose a greatly respected dom dood hangs out by the highschool, and soft talks a girl studying there into coming along to the bdsm club.
mircea_popescu: has she been corrupted ? perhaps. maybe, if she is turned from the "normal direction" of cooking-kids-tv into being an out and out slut, she has been corrupted.
mircea_popescu: maybe he finally marries. girl does a little bit of wearing push up bras for a year or so... and then for the rest of their natural lives they tvkids.
mircea_popescu: well, at time t they each purport to run a software. at time t1, they observably both run the same software. some patching went on. who ?
mircea_popescu: and this is my point here : yes, bitcoin corrupts. i mean specific things by this term of art, they're in the logs.
mircea_popescu: the proposition that we'd end up with a sort of uci-as-nsa and l1-as-subtstitute-for-dnc is very much the proposition that, "you know what ? inca also corrupts"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this is observably true, in history : the proposition that "it's a great idea to live above your means" was the proximate cause of "french revolution" and every other socialist attack on money hence
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well in principle the problem is, nothing tmsr does can possibly be anything but straight weapon of "us against them". it is a terrorist organisation after all.
mircea_popescu: anyway, but the tendency is there, your mind is "oh, mircea_popescu os". except i've no intention to mircea_popescu os anyone as such.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem is, at amoeba stage, can't distinguish infection from copulation. it's still cytostrands.
mircea_popescu: moreover, explain. what DOES make such a new member in good standing ? trinque goes riding through poor neighbourhood, sees fetching negress, goes "hey ho! wanna be my slave ?" she goes "Sure loverboy". he takes her home, wipes her laptop and installs tmsr os. next you know it, black chix code.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i do not want anything in particular ; but i do observe and therefore declare that as water flows to lower ground and as good money pushes out the bad so too better computers own shittier computers and there's jack shit me or you or them or anyone can do about this.
mircea_popescu: now -- whether windowshead wants to or doesn't want to participate is entirely irrelevant. he can destroy the machine, or keep bringing in to his dumbship for "repairs" or whatever flailing. what of it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but as to the practical knot - i dun wanna squeeze idiots for anything. to begin with, the very definition of idiocy assures me they have nothing i want.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:09 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: blackzilla is enjoying the seasonal weather more than i'm enjoying the seasonal smoke. being downwind of the massive bc fires isn't doing wonders for the ol' respiratory tract. (waking up coughing, etc.) . needless to say i've a newfound appreciation for the sorry denizens of chinese mega-cities. it's one of those "you never know what you've got until it's gone" (tm) things
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:17 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: alphabet is only 22-characters, it's doable
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well, no 'ac' per se at either home or bureau.
mircea_popescu has in time become very partial to the solution for northern climes. "just pretend house is mfg plant, and that's why there must be a thick dong suspended under roof."
pete_dushenski: bc is ~800km away, which is where the wildfires are. alberta is just downwind. there are basically just circulation fans on the rooves. and windows! glorious operable windows that do oh so little to keep out pm
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:27 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: modern-day .il is a parasitic rider on usg -- and not merely in the well-known 'free money' sense, but also in that the ~only exports are 'intellectual property' racket, which rides on usg's patent enforcement shakedown
pete_dushenski: great, now i'm imagining black footlong dongs as ceiling mobiles. THIS IS BAD FOR CHILDREN MKDAY
mircea_popescu: centrail air, i'm telling you. can heat/cool/humidifix/filter, you name it.
mircea_popescu: you have a water plant in the basement, and it should be right next to the airplant.
pete_dushenski: just got quote for a/c at house actually : $5k (~1.4btc). not terribru and better than coughing myself awake in the middle of the night ?
mircea_popescu: the airtightness is more important than just plopping a split unit on the livingroom wall.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: from experience, about 3.5x cheaper to build for it than to retrofit.\
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, 5k in deductible payment that improves property is way the fuck better than aerosol induced astma, which is something that does happen, and which is something that can readily cost 10x that over a miserable lifetime.
pete_dushenski: airtightness is pretty much a given in these parts, in my 60s house or 50s office maybe a bit less but certainly in newer builds
pete_dushenski: well aren't we just the a/c salesmen. well goddamit if i call him right now to install it's of my own volition!!1
mircea_popescu: tell you what, "eh fuck this shit" is how i ended up with millions in deployed capital, the roi of which was above par overall (not counting any subjectives).
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:48 asciilifeform: afaik they still dun have a, e.g., self-made fighter jet.
mircea_popescu: the russians have no planes without the israeli bits. which means in point of fact that yes, the israelis have a fighter jet. and the best kind there can be had, also -- another's wife.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (the event also set us policy -- the reason they moved to tomahawk-from-boat rather than the 1990s-style iraq sorties is that us airforce could not actually stand up to ro airforce if it came to dogfight, which is more ridiculous than it stands.)
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:49 asciilifeform: nobody cancelled the jet.
mircea_popescu: as it stands currently, the russians will have the last jet much like the germans have the last car.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:49 pete_dushenski: for whatever 'cybermilitary' is worth, i'd pit .il against any other
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:53 trinque: was this true in the last such war?
mircea_popescu: lotta period lulz about british spitfires strafing bedouin warparties etc.
trinque: heh, then the next one should be just as lulzy
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:57 pete_dushenski: in other rough regions, the usg 'left' is still confuzed as fuck
http://archive.is/X9fwz mircea_popescu: anyway. the "UAE demands to Qatar" redo of WW1-era "serbian ultimatum" is ... still ongoing!! now with revisions and etc.
mircea_popescu: but in more practical terms, apparently "teh terrorists" actually took over a country on the quiet.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> as it stands currently, the russians will have the last jet much like the germans have the last car. << But as we learned from pete_dushenski,sometimes the lawnmower's more fun
mircea_popescu: ttp://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-sanctions-property-idUSKBN1A30H5 in moar random lulz
BingoBoingo: Finally someone severed that damned h from ttp
shinohai: It's new BingoBoingo, the Turd Transport Protocol (tm)
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:58 pete_dushenski: when su 'vanished' did nuke codes leak ? if so, why no kablooey ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 18:08 trinque: right, so usg crumbles, erdrogan or whoever throws a big neo-caliphate party, invites everyone to go israel-stomping. russia and china collectivey "meh" and lol at the US losing a colony
mircea_popescu: ~everyone there's sick of the "rich" arab nations as of crab apples.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 19:01 trinque: pf: pf_normalize_tcp_stateful failed on first pkt << deedbot departures appear to correspond with this.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ~everyone there's sick of the "rich" arab nations as of crab apples. << Poor crab apples, many are enslaved as the plumbing that allows fruiting apples to live. This is a rich metaphor space.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687493 << there is certainly a "minimum safe count". the issue is that just like with bitcoin -- the actual count increases as the item grows. so "waiting to polish it moar" not necessarily winning strategy. then again, too early not winning strategy either.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 19:22 asciilifeform: and ergo net would have to be deployed in massive burst, whereby yesterday there were 0 S, but today 9000.
pete_dushenski: i got a kick out of the 'we are mp because we can haz podcast, bow hethens!!1' schtick
pete_dushenski: i shan't give up on this lol even if it is now a stale, forced effort!
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:13 mircea_popescu: but as to the practical knot - i dun wanna squeeze idiots for anything. to begin with, the very definition of idiocy assures me they have nothing i want.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 03:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just that -- have $100, get $100 worth of computer ; not have - not get.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 19:57 asciilifeform: writing proggy -- longer..
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 19:40 asciilifeform: because there is not yet any known way to compensate the possibility of deliberate misanswer in the calculation.
mircea_popescu: i still don't follow this. so : there's a chickfield. upon this chickfield you run a transform. it results in either all of them dying or some useful slavegirls surviving.
mircea_popescu: obviously no slavegirl is free ranged pantsuit. so in this sense -- they all die, yes.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:12 mircea_popescu: now -- whether windowshead wants to or doesn't want to participate is entirely irrelevant. he can destroy the machine, or keep bringing in to his dumbship for "repairs" or whatever flailing. what of it.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:28 mircea_popescu: the airtightness is more important than just plopping a split unit on the livingroom wall.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:34 mircea_popescu: the russians have no planes without the israeli bits. which means in point of fact that yes, the israelis have a fighter jet. and the best kind there can be had, also -- another's wife.
mircea_popescu: i own a box. this box has crap on it. therefore... i ... delete the crap. and put something sane on./
trinque: whaat, isn't the whole thing here push-loading sanity?
mircea_popescu: but... if i own a box... therefore... i check and remove... crap.. and then... instal... sanity.
trinque: because they don't own it, nsa does
mircea_popescu: there is no such distinction. if you own, whether because your wife brought you it and said "here, this is your daugther" or because gf brought home "here, this is new fucktoy".
mircea_popescu: this is the point. i'm neither the left pepsi can nor the right pepsi can and you're neither invited or allowed to choose me.
mircea_popescu: yes. if... i own... a box... i ~~~therefore~~~ remove... the crap on it. and then, install, non crap on it.
mircea_popescu: this is the whole logic that is, and that ever could be, involved in the matter.
mircea_popescu: i care what happened yesterday. and what happened yesterday was, i owned a box. and on it, i...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i literally, and entirely, don't give a shit what happens tomorrow.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 20:56 diana_coman: neah, it says it can't even see it then; will try another time with the adacore 4.9
a111: Logged on 2013-02-16 14:17 Diablo-D3: people who are that rich dont hang out on IRC
mircea_popescu: dumbfounding shitnonsense is this anyway. i do the things i do because they ARE! the right things to do. present fucking tense. not because i'm hopping such and such a tomorrow as'll make them retrospectively the right things. wtf is even this, inflatothink.
diana_coman: played a bit with ffa too; maybe I get some time to add to mod6's testing of it
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> middling. why ? << Only middling when you play for the sport of it. IRL you decapitate opponent's king with bolt cutters and dare them to object
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not thinking at all ; but in any case : when there IS a fine oracle, why bother with more.
mircea_popescu: "do i own this box, yes/no" "if yes, why is there crap on it / if no why am i futzing with it".
☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: presumably you have read pelevin's ддп(нн)
☟︎ shinohai: " Public court filings revealed by the US Federal Government show that his use of Paypal in paying for a gold membership was helpful to the government in identifying his true identity."
☟︎ pete_dushenski:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687858 << simplistic, almost shamanistic though it is, there is perhaps useful trichotomy of heart-heart-gut, being three possible answers for "why" a given person does a given thing. heart because of how it makes her feel and how it makes the people around her feel ; head because it's cerebrally satisfying ; gut because gotta get the fucking show on the road already here.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 21:59 asciilifeform: i betcha mircea_popescu plays fine game of chesss
pete_dushenski: of course there are proportions at play, no one is 100% any one thing, but mp is at least 3/4 gut, stan at least 3/4 head, thus the 'how can you just do?' question
☟︎ pete_dushenski prepares for hail storm of stones thrown at him for charlatanism
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pete_dushenski: "Caskets can cost thousands of dollars to buy, and are even being sold in some major supermarket chains. But at the Coffin Club, members only need to supply their own materials. Russell Game is a club mentor but he is also making a coffin for himself. "It's so much cheaper than buying a coffin," he said."
ben_vulpes is regularly surprised at the thickness of derp found in the 'security community'
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 22:19 pete_dushenski: of course there are proportions at play, no one is 100% any one thing, but mp is at least 3/4 gut, stan at least 3/4 head, thus the 'how can you just do?' question
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 22:06 phf: asciilifeform: presumably you have read pelevin's ддп(нн)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't actually recall his role in the anvin affair
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: also, that you framed "i think with this" shows that... you're head. hate to break it to you. to "think with gut" is to choose a restaurant to eat at not to open a restaurant.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 22:15 shinohai: " Public court filings revealed by the US Federal Government show that his use of Paypal in paying for a gold membership was helpful to the government in identifying his true identity."
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: only you'd know that. twas just my 2c from 10k feet.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 22:06 mircea_popescu: "do i own this box, yes/no" "if yes, why is there crap on it / if no why am i futzing with it".
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 22:05 asciilifeform: not if you own an rng.
phf: no, unfortunately, hardcover book picked up on a moscows trip
phf: шы еруку фт утп мукышщт?
phf: is there an eng version?
phf: i found a "собрание сочинений" pack of his english texts, but it doesn't have dpp, nor is amazon etc. turning up a translated version.
phf: that, and subtitled Brat is pretty much all you need to understand moscow in the 90s :p
phf: hah, nah, i'm more of petka from chapayev i pustota. i spent the 90s with amateur esotericists. i didn't actually get to play the businessman, so didn't acquire any of these skills
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