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mircea_popescu: "An advertisement costs $250/month or $1250/6 months, plus an extra $50 if you want me to design it for you. Ads can expect about 10,000 to 20,000 impressions per day. Past ads that were interesting and well-targeted have gotten about five hundred clickthroughs in their first week, followed by a steady fifty clickthroughs per week thereafter." jesus christ, and ~nobody reads it on top of everything else. how the fuck do you g
mircea_popescu: et 200 comments out of 2000 readers ?
mircea_popescu: oh, wait, wait. by being this wikitard style of participative democratic cow. i forgot.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-letter/ << Trilema - The Letter
asciilifeform: meanwhile, on chinesiumtron, errything, errything worx... but... gnat/
asciilifeform: no dice re how to even begin to produce an arm64 gnat.
asciilifeform: ( that it gotta happen on another machine , is a give, given the impossibility of building a gnat without a working gnat )
asciilifeform: *given
mircea_popescu: what hangs ?
asciilifeform: the inexistence of a binary arm64 adacore gnat distro
asciilifeform: i.e. nuffin to run.
mircea_popescu: didn't adacore itself release a bare arm gnat ?
asciilifeform: 32
mircea_popescu: hm
asciilifeform: ( and , on top of this, 'bare' is very different animal from linux )
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure it was a "raspbian" ie, extra-lame-ubuntu
asciilifeform: correct. for arm32.
mircea_popescu: is the z7000 also 32 ?
asciilifeform: wassat ?
mircea_popescu: zynq-7000, a xilinx wrapper
asciilifeform: aa that -- that's what they stuffed into recent xilinxen in place of the old ppc core
asciilifeform: pogo for that matter is also an arm7 (32)
asciilifeform: arm32 is not hard to find. but doesn't help any in building a working arm64 gnat ( at least no more than working copy of stock x86-64 gnat )
asciilifeform: arm64 gnat does not appear to exist anywhere, nor anyone publicly mentioned having build one afaik.
mircea_popescu: listen. the zynq is a 64 board ; and it's in the adacore's list of somewhat supported packages.
asciilifeform looks...
mircea_popescu: now, it has a whole pile of "intel me" bs (did i mention - xilinx ?) but nevertheless
asciilifeform: xilinx datashit says it's an arm7
asciilifeform: i.e. 32b.
asciilifeform: ~= pogo.
mircea_popescu: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/cover/866607/ worth caching for later lulz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform zynqMP is 64.
asciilifeform: aka arm cortex a9
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: where's the gnat for it tho
mircea_popescu: yeah...
asciilifeform: aa the arm-eabi-.* bareboard thing
mircea_popescu: gnueabi yeah
asciilifeform: it dunwork on arm64. just tried.
mircea_popescu: now, it may be useful as a stepping stone
asciilifeform: approx as useful as the x86 one lol
mircea_popescu: alternatively, freebsd had a thing for arm64 that may be able to compile a gnat capable to compile your gnat ?
asciilifeform: theoretically can build on on ordinary x64, 'crossdev'
asciilifeform: but annoying that nobody seems to have ever published one or mentioned the existence.
mircea_popescu: seems certain it'll be one of those intermediate-steps-bootstrapping deals.
asciilifeform: i made one for mips in 2016, it was nasty
asciilifeform: this goes right back to the 'buy five moar, or throw the 1 out !' megadilemma.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: so that;s why "nobody has published". thousand eyes don't do work.
asciilifeform: nobody does a lick of motherfuqinwork.
asciilifeform: abundantly clear.
mircea_popescu: hey, check out the blogger from ealirer, there's enough stream of consciousness commentary there to last a legion of talk therapist.
mircea_popescu: anyway, im pretty sure the adacore people were fucking around with arm64 at some point. maybe asc gingold or someone ?
asciilifeform: btw turned out, asciilifeform's pet was semiregular entomo-reader of subj
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you ever get adapro btw ?
asciilifeform: 'wassat' 'usefulidjit'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope
mircea_popescu: want to ? and what subject ?
asciilifeform: not even sure it's a separate proggy; possibly more of a same-proggy + support contract
mircea_popescu: that';s the point, the support contract. can ask gingold and actually expect an answer, as opposed to hope for one.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise it's very much not different in any meaningful way.
mircea_popescu: just... here's the political reasoning : symbolics went to shit ~in part~ because nobody was there to corrupt the idiots involved into turning arms against the empire of stupid that spawned them and stab it in the back.
mircea_popescu: adacore is perhaps the closest contemporary approximation ; why not pay them a little for their pompous if economically dysfunctional "moneymaker" and then brazenly ask them to help you ruin the whole thing ?
asciilifeform: potentially interesting, i did not to date consider it. dun forget tho that they get ~infinite pile of printolade from lockheed, boeing, et al.
mircea_popescu: technologists are universally treasonous, that's fundamentally what the word means, a new face on the old "bastard", son of no father. they might go for it.
asciilifeform: sorta heart of empire item.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed ; the easiest target is the upperclass housewife.
asciilifeform can see it.
asciilifeform: definitely idea.
mircea_popescu: other than that, there's also the spoon+swamp of "get sorta-gnat compiled on arm64 freebsd, use that to compile real gnat, use that to..."
mircea_popescu: are the policeman intelligent or strong ?
asciilifeform 'seekritly' aims to break the 'need gnat to gnat' circle of nonsense
asciilifeform: downright african, that thing is
mircea_popescu: i don't see how it's avi
mircea_popescu: avoidable. sooner or later the bootstrap problem kicks in.
asciilifeform: bootstrap pyramidally. e.g. via a 20kb proggy written for a 2kb forth.
asciilifeform: like sane folx.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: #ada is asleep ; and in other lulz dbotton disappeared. (guy used to run getadanow.com, maybe still does)
asciilifeform: thing suffers the consequences of being part of the gcc backend swamp.
asciilifeform: ( to be fair, not as if there was or is any working alternative. but -- swamp. )
asciilifeform bbl,bed
lobbes: Archive PSA: Semi-automatic archiving has resumed via my "manual" pulling of the crank at irregular intervals as a temporary "stop gap" solution. Fully automatic archiving to resume once I plug my security holes and build a sane parser for urls
mircea_popescu: lol so in the end ns1/ns2.qntra.net are the pizarro nameservers ?
mircea_popescu: also perhaps of some interest : http://gustaf.thorslund.org/src/allegra/doc/allegra.html (ada irc bot ; uses postrgres-ada)
mircea_popescu: ^ rfc.
mircea_popescu: ah i guess that didn't get logged. here :
mircea_popescu: * mircea_popescu has changed the topic to: You have reached the public forum of The Most Serene Republic, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the creation of a safe space for the elites to productively defect to, leaving the pantsuit stranded behind. If you'd like to help see http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ . This channel is logged.
mircea_popescu: hey douchebag , here4's some lulz for you : https://wuphysicians.wustl.edu/DesktopModules/Blog/API/RSS/Get
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is yer blog down ?
BingoBoingo: It appears to be. Looking into it
BingoBoingo: Aite, it is finding its way back
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 3 nukefest publicalert tests within 1 hr in washingtonistan
mircea_popescu: aww
asciilifeform: ( they show up via pnoje )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty great new subjline imho
mircea_popescu: cool deal
lobbes: Incidentally, anyone remember the term "freedom fighter"? I.e. "terrorist that is aligned with the Empire". Almost never heard in Incan media anymore it seems
mircea_popescu: by now too dangerous.
mircea_popescu: back in the 90s inca had a brief momentary delusion of security, in the vein of http://trilema.com/2016/consumerism-is-not-the-answer-though-it-will-put-you-to-sleep-or-american-history-x/
asciilifeform: lobbes: got replaced in the Official fishwraps with 'moderate rebels' (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: the moderate rebels of syria, shooting rockets at the elected government. an' the moderate rebels of ukraina, shooting rockets at civillian airplanes.
mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform ever rotaku'd http://trilema.com/2012/afaceri-particulare/ ? stumbled on it earlier it's fucking hysterical.
asciilifeform reads..
lobbes: Ah yes, "moderate rebels". Man, it'd be lulzy to have a timeline of various fishwrap lifecycles. E.g. "hole in ozone layer" > "global warming" > "climate change"
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/gun-free-londons-murder-rate-passes-new-york-and-reaches-for-detroit/ << Qntra - Gun Free London's Murder Rate Passes New York And Reaches For Detroit
ben_vulpes: !!key lobbes
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/3320BCA7825525AD077203C331F36D29A4D93652.asc
ben_vulpes: !!v F5FE66C596E8C7AFE15FBF5B58BBCE37DF5AFEAD3D435D615526819CCB2C880D
deedbot: ben_vulpes paid trinque invoice 4
ben_vulpes: douchebag: oh candi_lustt is eminently poppable btw, wonder if you can figure out how to
ben_vulpes: don't want to distract you from your trinquechores tho
trinque: ty ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: and yourself sir
trinque wonders if douchebag realizes what useful work it'd be, to know how easily trb nodes can be popped, given that the wallet will of course have to be sitting right there, with same permissions, on same box, and etc
trinque: (and obviously, ~I do not use the trb wallet~)
ave1: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793119, with this script http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-a-signature/ it is possible to build a cross compiler for aarch64, I will try to use this cross-compiler to then create a native compiler.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 03:17 asciilifeform: but annoying that nobody seems to have ever published one or mentioned the existence.
asciilifeform: ave1: i did one for mips ( never properly tested tho ) a few yrs back
asciilifeform: ave1: the surprising bit is the total absence of any mention of a working gnat for arm64 ( despite it being a quite common chip for several yrs )
asciilifeform: trinque: theoretically 'every private has a marshal's baton in his knapsack', but realistically it is not esp. likely that 'popping trb' had to wait for this 1 d00d to turn 19 or what he was.
asciilifeform: considering the very tangible win from any such thing, going back years
trinque: eh
trinque: we stopped on a perfect copy of openssl did we?
asciilifeform: 'not remotely poppable' != 'perfect'
asciilifeform: fwiw it dun hurt to try. ftr, asciilifeform's orig interest in reading the src, long before even running into mircea_popescu et al , was precisely this.
asciilifeform: !!up diana_coman_away
deedbot: diana_coman_away voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_coman_away: thanks! slowly eating logs here
ave1: asciilifeform, I can only find gnats for ubuntu/debian and alpine linux. Also GNAT pro seems to support arm64.
ave1: btw, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-04#1792937, how do you notice something like that?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-04 19:52 asciilifeform: meanwhile on the chinesium front, asciilifeform was pretty close to throwing out the 'rockchip' this morn., when saw that every few hrs it read-retries the sd flash. but apparently harmless eggog: comes from certain sad levelling firmwares , they cannot keep up with the host
asciilifeform: ave1: it went into /var/log/messages
asciilifeform: or do i misunderstand the q
asciilifeform: ave1: we had just the other day a thread re 'gnat pro'. it's interesting, in principle, but i sure as fucking daylight ain't ever signing nonredistribution oaths for a compiler
ave1: aha, I was wondering weather you noticed some led blinking, but log would do it
ave1: yes, me neither
asciilifeform: ave1: nah , no led. log noise. and documented, apparently, issue , with some brands of sd, going back years
asciilifeform: appears to be harmless, the retry-read always succeeds
asciilifeform: at any rate, rockchip pilot-plant boxen will boot from sd and mount usb3 stick for root partition.
asciilifeform: ave1: unrelatedly, iirc you're the one who was lucky winner of 1 phree FG ? didja get it yet ?
ave1: yes I was! and no nothing arrived yet...
asciilifeform: went out on mar. the 22.
ave1: well shipping from US has taken anything from 1 to 4 weeks in the past
asciilifeform: ave1: then too soon to say that it was magicked away
trinque: asciilifeform: in general you're probably right, though in general not most are persistent enough to join the republic.
trinque: gotta give the guy worthwhile targets to see
trinque: ftr if the report is "trb's deps are not susceptible to any known RCE" that'd be a fine thing to see written up too
ben_vulpes: today's marvelous self-licking ice-cream-cone: surgeon general suggests that everyone near to folks at risk for overdosing on fentanyl and friends carry naxalone. i for one can't wait to see what the new equilibrium intake rate is without mortality risk looming.
trinque: and obviously that wouldn't be reason to develop a false sense of security either.
ben_vulpes: "audits can only show presence of holes, never the absence" or how did it go
asciilifeform: ^
trinque: rce isn't the only thing that'd be interesting, even cpu bog-down or mem usage DoS would be relevant to staying at the front of the chain.
asciilifeform: it is a little bit funny to talk of bogdown and dos 'vulnerability' in a proggy that happily does o(n) operations at the request of allcomers
asciilifeform: not to mention lets any and all-comers hog sockets for as long as they can come up with fresh ip
asciilifeform: happily does ~by design~
trinque: AIDS patient doesn't ignore fungus because AIDS, but on the contrary
trinque: its also homework.
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, trinque , ever looked into purging sslism from gentoo ? in particular the existence of /etc/ca-certificates.conf and its contents as a ~mandatory package, i find quite irritating
asciilifeform: ( or at the very least, if not purged, every proggy that attempts to lean on usg.pki-ism should generate a log event )
trinque: just gotta mask it and weep, and kiss whatever wanted it goodbye
trinque is on a box currently that's musl + libressl, but I don't know that it's much better
asciilifeform: whole pkiism concept is deeply offensive from a republican pov.
trinque: indeed it is
trinque: -ssl hits some, other ebuilds (and this happens more by the day, on various) don't implement the use flag. "what, of course you want that!"
asciilifeform: i can see an argument for retaining an ability to emulate a sslistic client, for http-fetching heathenware when absolutely must . but beyond this -- it Must Die
trinque has considered using the portage profile feature for this
asciilifeform: in particular this thought in asciilifeform's head sprung from noticing a CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK='/etc/gentoo-release /etc/sandbox.d /etc/terminfo /etc/ca-certificates.conf' in the default environment
trinque: have a fascist profile that ideally becomes the only one, and perhaps another profile that's more lax, used for porting over things or w/e.
asciilifeform: i.e. sslism is treated as 'special' and 'precious' evidently in >1 place
trinque: but, if already saying we'll be curating ebuilds I don't see much of a point of the latter
asciilifeform: ultimately ideal would be fully vtronic replacement for portage.
trinque: and we have to eat all of portage, or we'll be in the position I was in when I handed current cuntoo script to diana_coman
trinque: "oh sorry, outside world moved while we held still. build is now broke as a joke."
trinque: this is the primary item on my workbench atm
asciilifeform: well, not 'all of', but the closure-over-the-set of actually-used things
trinque: "be responsible for everything considered republican portage"
trinque: yes not eat all existing ebuilds
asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: seems like maybe ~150 packages are in practice needed for a Troo Workstation
trinque: own distfiles server, etc
trinque: aha
asciilifeform: and the number can probably be reduced considerably
trinque has a busybox userland-golf experiment on the workbench
asciilifeform: good chunk of the installed packages on typical gentoo box is really liquishit
trinque: though dunno if busybox counts, just giant wad of many utils.
trinque: the appeal there is one upstream dependency vs various
asciilifeform: i find busybox to be useful on ancient routers , pogo , & similar , but quite unusable as a unixutils substitute on actual workstation
asciilifeform: it is not even remotely 100% compatible with classical bash etc
trinque: the embedded constraint would, I'd wager, place a constraint on amount of shitgnomaticism to creep in.
trinque: but probably yes, not compatible strictly with latest bash
asciilifeform: imho the long-term answer is '3rd way' , i.e. all the crud i wrote in bash, python, etc over the years really oughta be in the hypothetical little-lisp-in-ada from old thread.
asciilifeform: ( and at future date then readily transposable to a sane, nonunixoid os )
trinque: busybox default doesn't preclude there being a bash ebuild neh?
trinque is taking "smallest possible bootable userland"
trinque: *talking
asciilifeform: sure. but a default that nobody uses in battlefield, is not much to brag about.
trinque: fair point.
trinque: I admittedly *don't* use bash in battlefield, but privately on the workbench
asciilifeform: iirc we even have somebody who lives in ksh.
asciilifeform: ( or maybe i dreamed this. )
asciilifeform: in other lulz, sbcl apparently mildly broken on arm64: builds 100% but then ' can't find core file at /usr/lib/sbcl//sbcl.core '
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793180 << i guess, yeah. kinda lotta work for little payoff though, more of stand-up comedy fare☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 15:41 lobbes: Ah yes, "moderate rebels". Man, it'd be lulzy to have a timeline of various fishwrap lifecycles. E.g. "hole in ozone layer" > "global warming" > "climate change"
asciilifeform: ... unsurprising, because it lives in /usr/lib64
asciilifeform: but the path is HARDCODED IN
asciilifeform: because somebody got dropped as a child, evidently
asciilifeform: and yes i'm aware that it can be fixed by setting an evir variable. but WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO
asciilifeform: possibly phf knows who was responsible for this. i'd like for the name to enter the logs.
mod6: Berry McCockiner
asciilifeform: whossat
mod6: made up name, say it out loud.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793190 << password is strong though.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 16:31 trinque wonders if douchebag realizes what useful work it'd be, to know how easily trb nodes can be popped, given that the wallet will of course have to be sitting right there, with same permissions, on same box, and etc
mod6: in other lulz: http://archive.is/vU667
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793192 << nice dood!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 16:32 ave1: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793119, with this script http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-a-signature/ it is possible to build a cross compiler for aarch64, I will try to use this cross-compiler to then create a native compiler.
ben_vulpes: feculent freight, not bad
mircea_popescu: who the fuck used feculent in a sentence! i was just explaining it yest!
mircea_popescu: fancy teh odds...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793196 << yeah, just like it's not likely neptune had to wait for bouvard and everything else for keppler.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 16:36 asciilifeform: trinque: theoretically 'every private has a marshal's baton in his knapsack', but realistically it is not esp. likely that 'popping trb' had to wait for this 1 d00d to turn 19 or what he was.
asciilifeform: hey any time a kepler wants to walk in...
mircea_popescu: it's also improbable you were ever born, so good thing you weren't...
mircea_popescu: ?.?
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: at any rate such probabilities and plausibilities only even in theory matter when a d00d walks in and 'hey i am such greatness'. if walks in with pill for rsa or whichever -- dun have to ask anyone to believe anyffin. or for that matter to walk in at a..
asciilifeform: ll.
trinque: eh you have no idea how to react to the young, no offense.
trinque: young man says "I will fuck every woman alive" and this doesn't mean he's broken
asciilifeform: i did not say 'broken'. but raw - yes.
trinque: sure
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793210 << why not ? great incentive for you to move outta usistan.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 17:01 asciilifeform: ave1: we had just the other day a thread re 'gnat pro'. it's interesting, in principle, but i sure as fucking daylight ain't ever signing nonredistribution oaths for a compiler
asciilifeform: it is quite impossible to learn anything nontrivial if labouring under ' i am a great master and who needs this book-larnin rubbish'
trinque doesn't dispute
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: [insert traditional a:'i dun have a power source outside of usa reich' m:'but why not learn to eat sunlight and butterflies' thread here]
ben_vulpes: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/04/secret-service-warns-of-chip-card-scheme/ BingoBoingo ?
asciilifeform: lol next krebs will ring the alarm re 'new, exciting' (... 200 yrs ago! but who needs this detail ) scam of lifting Official seals from paper with potato
trinque: lol
asciilifeform: worx great, btw
trinque: asciilifeform, not just hacker, but timetraveling hacker!1!11
asciilifeform: in other quasi-noose : asciilifeform currently taking suggestions re what proggies ought to live in a 'standard' arm-gentoo image that will be supplied to rockchip boxen subscribers
asciilifeform: ( input from prospective users specifically invited; even if 'wish list' item, that currently dun have a reliable arm64 build )
asciilifeform: for that matter, would also like to measure demand in l1/l2 for these, as a whole
asciilifeform: though will add, unlike shared-hosting service, there is little to no practical barrier to leasing these out to heathens
asciilifeform: (supposing coin-bearing heathens were to appear)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, what, walk me throiugh this. let's use lesswrong codex as a basis. so : 1. you are in the hospital for "maybe wanting to kill yourself", after having made ill advised 1970s comments to 2010s paki diversity-"doctor" ; 2. "I remember working with a doctor who wanted to discharge his patient to some kind of outpatient drug rehab. The patient refused to go, so the doctor wouldn’t discharge her, and they were i
mircea_popescu: n a stalemate over it for weeks, and the whole time the patient was tearfully begging the doctor to release her. I cannot tell you how much willpower it took not to sneak into the patient’s room and yell at her “JUST AGREE TO GO TO THE REHAB AND THEN DON’T DO IT, YOU IDIOT”."
mircea_popescu: 3. you... umm... publish it anyway.
mircea_popescu: what now ?
mircea_popescu: we have the perfect mechanism of antipantsuit publishing ; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770196 . what's the "color of bits" pantsuit system supposed to do, get trinque to swear in court you sent it to him ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-13 16:14 mircea_popescu: and it's for me ; when in doubt you can always check whose key an encrypted item is encrypted to.
mircea_popescu: or perhaps we get the monumental lulz of http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/ with its "1. I am a Special Agent (“SA”) of the United States Secret Service (“USSS”), and have been so employed for approximately three and one half years. In my experience totallies!"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478250 << in other lulz, apparently scott alexander $item was actually well known ; what a fucking riot that yakkster mcyakkunson is, " most women might not bother trying to step down from there to men who radiate less kindness." hurr!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 19:04 trinque: http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/06/polyamory-is-boring/#comment-13604 << yudkowski might be a cuck
mircea_popescu: this is such a direct equivalent of yesterday's ballistic-gellatin wank it's starting to draw out a profile (for what i previously called the wikitard, but i guess lesswrong is just a particularily thick cloud of them) : asocial beta male that has managed to move the conceptual universe of cartoons into "real life" such as they live it.
mircea_popescu: seinfeld's superman comics and cereal eating habits meet the yudkowski "oh, on the basis of the behaviours of the three goats we have back at camp, women like dweebs" and the "lalala i can't hear you, us army bb gun is very efficient when fired at gelatin 5 feet away and the fact that you'll never get that close nor ever have to fight large blobs irl IS NOT IN MY FIELD OF VISION"
mircea_popescu: then they believe (pretend to "think critically", but do no such thing, simply believe) rank nonsense like "global warming" because... THE MODEL!!! the model reminds them of the simplified characters in the manga they loved as children and the general deus-ex-machina atmosphere fits well with their only formative experiences.
mircea_popescu: and so pantsuit science emerges naturally, out of a certain kind of child abuse ; it no longer needs agency for explaining its existence.
ben_vulpes: mmm subject of science https://theconversation.com/decolonise-science-time-to-end-another-imperial-era-89189
trinque: nb.jpg thread, wondering where http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478348 ever got off to☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 20:06 gabriel_laddel: you have no idea how much of a complete disaster my life is...
asciilifeform: ave1: your gnat builder barfs 40 minutes in, incidentally, with the following death : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ftgUL/?raw=true ( last n lines )
ben_vulpes: careful trinque you'll wake him
ben_vulpes: beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice
asciilifeform: trinque: fulla gold, e.g. 'Yes, mathematics can be decolonised. Here’s how to begin'
asciilifeform: by a 'Karin Brodie Professor of Education and Mathematics Education, University of the Witwatersrand' didjaknow.
ben_vulpes: the science must fall video is epic, dood gets severely caned for daring to suggest that the notion a witch doctor can call lightning down upon ones enemis is not true
ben_vulpes: "you must further decolonize yourself!"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793333 << real life sadly is 'less real than cartoon', asciilifeform for instance is still waiting to be gassed for 'exporting' pgp somewhere during clinton reign, or for bolix warez, or for general unpatriotism, or jaywalking...☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 20:12 mircea_popescu: this is such a direct equivalent of yesterday's ballistic-gellatin wank it's starting to draw out a profile (for what i previously called the wikitard, but i guess lesswrong is just a particularily thick cloud of them) : asocial beta male that has managed to move the conceptual universe of cartoons into "real life" such as they live it.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: quite relatedly, i had to calm a panicking millenial down recently "oh give over; the left is more interested in beating up on the right and vice versa than either are in the online shenanigans of a few crackpot bitcoin holders"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793328 << traditionally $maxint soft is custom-doctored per licensee, making leaks obvious☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 20:07 mircea_popescu: we have the perfect mechanism of antipantsuit publishing ; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770196 . what's the "color of bits" pantsuit system supposed to do, get trinque to swear in court you sent it to him ?
trinque: asciilifeform: at what point does the cultural gap become so wide you're intelligible to the gassers?
trinque: "sounds like nerds doing nerd shit"
asciilifeform: unintelligible ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you've never lost a gun either i imagine
asciilifeform: prolly long ago. can't picture why else asciilifeform , mod6 , ben_vulpes , other nato inmates doing their treasonous thing here, are still alive
asciilifeform: re trinque's q ^
ben_vulpes: or excuse me, "had it stolen from my locked car!"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i thought one was supposed to lose'em while fishing!11
ben_vulpes: mildly less plausible, hunters are more conscientious, also tools of trade/hobby
ben_vulpes: "am derp cityboy, got gun stoled from locked car in bad neighborhood"
trinque: all anyone does today is larp, from chiraq to palestine
trinque: get seen, put it on da insta
ben_vulpes: trinque: "world star hip hop"
trinque: see: stormer and their "brand"
asciilifeform: over here in marylandistan that'd get you a good sentence + confiscations automagically -- no gun in car without note from hitler Officially permitted
trinque: heh, while TX has an exemption in concealed carry *for* to/from vehicle, and in.
asciilifeform: typical breakfast conv : pet:'why you still alive' a:'evidently my entire work to date not yet worth bullet'
asciilifeform brb
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> trinque: fulla gold, e.g. 'Yes, mathematics can be decolonised. Here’s how to begin' <<< ye olde "e=mc^2 is a sexed equation" wank ?
mircea_popescu: part of the problem with these mediocre but ambitious shitstains is that they're so repetitive.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the left is actually cognitively incapable of representing tmsr, from my measurements. about as safe as rats in cretacic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think it though though. "obvious" how ? to whom ? where ? why ?etc.
trinque: I came in more or less ideologically amenable, and yet said "oh god, not a bunch of redpillers" and left, the first encounter.
trinque: cultural incomprehensibility is a thing
trinque: minor barfs such as douchebag's might just be the sound of purging, who knows til later
mircea_popescu: trinque> all anyone does today is larp, from chiraq to palestine << word. and the larp that they do is always and very amusingly a sort of first-person-cool. i was explaining a coupla days ago the mechanics of "pantsuit uprising" and how firing a line would send the whole field of 'em packing to deeply disbelieving girly. she honestly thought that if i march a 100 strong regiment to the sider of a 100`000 strong "color revol
mircea_popescu: ution", ready-arm-fire and there's a fresh set of 80 or so bodies, teh crowd will do something other than what it does when "omg there's a shooting". like i dunno, charge the firing squad with bare hands or other "why didn't the jews burn down auschwitz mommy ?"
mircea_popescu: "because THEY BELONGED THERE, baby ; and they knew it."
mircea_popescu: "but won't anyone charge ?" "of course some will" "so won't that rally the others ?" "no, very much the opposite -- in making plain the difference between actually being a hero and larping, it'll bring home to the idiots that they REALLY have no business being there."
mircea_popescu: the faster the nutty dozen run for the bayonetts, the faster ^ 3 the pantsuit run for the hills.
trinque tries hard to imagine "majority" revolution, fails. herd mechanics always on the other end of the pointy stick.
mircea_popescu: yet that's what the "moderate rebels" are supposedly managing, "majority revolutions".
ben_vulpes: "i mean didja ever read about how the khans army could kill entire cities, and the populations would stand in the fields weeping and waiting their turn?"
mircea_popescu: this is because, you realise, "soldiering wasn't the job THEY HAD CHOSEN FOR THEMSELVES". because "they didn't give a damn about whatever political axe you have to grind, just wanted..."
mircea_popescu: and so following. people with hallucinated options at the ready are ~ballistic gelatin.
mircea_popescu: that they don't understand how anyone else might not be, and wtf "good fucking luck hitting ME with your piddly 30 gram bullets lmao" sort of sociopathy is this!!!1
mircea_popescu: i fully expect, once it comes to geolocated rape and pillage, to hear a lot of "you're illegal!!11". just like before.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793228 << it's certainly not the case there's nothing interesting to find digging. it may be premature, in his case, but w/e.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 18:45 trinque: rce isn't the only thing that'd be interesting, even cpu bog-down or mem usage DoS would be relevant to staying at the front of the chain.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793234 << me also. hurr-durr you will not have a usg-free computer socio-engineering bs.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 18:59 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, trinque , ever looked into purging sslism from gentoo ? in particular the existence of /etc/ca-certificates.conf and its contents as a ~mandatory package, i find quite irritating
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793241 << i've been living for half a year now simply rejecting all websites what are https-only and implement idiotic "modern" ciphers. items such as github etc no longer load for me, and i tell you i don't particularly weep the demise of a bunch of retarded pantsuitsites.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 19:04 asciilifeform: i can see an argument for retaining an ability to emulate a sslistic client, for http-fetching heathenware when absolutely must . but beyond this -- it Must Die
mircea_popescu: not anymore than myspace or hojournal or w/e.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793252 << a good longer term goal, but don't sprain something lifting that.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 19:07 trinque: "be responsible for everything considered republican portage"
trinque: s'why I mention busybox later, might be only a handful of packages that get us to booted in userland
trinque: from there, can consider *their* portage the "overlay", and can port things over as they come
trinque has the busybox item coming together in a chroot, on the pizarro node
mircea_popescu: nb
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793274 << i use it, principally to manage curl.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 19:12 trinque: I admittedly *don't* use bash in battlefield, but privately on the workbench
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793307 << well fucking every woman alive with condom on seems a little deranged.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 19:37 asciilifeform: i did not say 'broken'. but raw - yes.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793393 << a quite astonishing amount of proggy, incl. items that cannot be done without unless you can make yer own ic ( errything from the lattice 'ice' proggy, to device drivers for ~100% of extant iron ) is imprisoned in shithub. nao however once it is sprung from this jail -- it is sprung.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 21:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793241 << i've been living for half a year now simply rejecting all websites what are https-only and implement idiotic "modern" ciphers. items such as github etc no longer load for me, and i tell you i don't particularly weep the demise of a bunch of retarded pantsuitsites.
asciilifeform: the 1 other httpsism i can think of that isn't escapable is www sites of iron-sellers. though for this one could use a dedicated toilet.
asciilifeform: come to think of it, a little proxy box ( make out of ~anything, even pogo ) would handily do the job. think 'chinese firewall https stripper' for home lan.
mircea_popescu: i don't envy any man the miserable but required portions of his job.
mircea_popescu: and very much yes.
asciilifeform cleans honeywagen
asciilifeform: usb3ization test of 'rockchip' in progress, incidentally.
lobbes: !!key ben_vulpes
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA.asc
mircea_popescu: "Robin Hanson is right that no-one wants to speak up for the low-status males for fear of being grouped with them. I for one feel compelled to make clear from the outset that I’m a *terribly* high status male who is *overwhelmed* with interest from women, and am only speaking up for those less fortunate than me out of the purest generosity of spirit" << this guy : https://mindsarentmagic.org/
mircea_popescu: hoooooly shit is the wikitard "lesswrong" crowd the comedy goldmine of all tiem
mircea_popescu: google cryptographer from london!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw , d00d is a vintage lolcow, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478076☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 18:18 asciilifeform: some derp named hanson was pushing a crackpottery called 'futarchy', where you have a bitbet-like item that is actually plugged into a robotic monarch that issues edicts
mircea_popescu: i thought futa is how you say "cartoon transsexual"
asciilifeform: ( he's, approx., a chowdhry . or what was that one called )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i found this meaning out from mircea_popescu , believe or not. prior to that knew only from $d00d's crackpottery with 'future markets' (itself stolen from old man admiral poindexter iirc )
mircea_popescu: aok
asciilifeform: ( not to be confused with futures markets )