ben_vulpes: i had to laugh last night; someone at the table wanted to stake out the position that "people with downs syndrome aren't defective. you can't have defective humans!"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're missing the point. perhaps the reason YOU didn't think about it before is that YOU are malicious ?
mircea_popescu: would make a pretty great sf/steampunk/altsovietrealism item
ben_vulpes: a few short seconds later the same person practically pulled a 'halt and catch fire' when attempting to use a word that doesn't mean broken to describe f. ex. chromosomal abnormalities
ben_vulpes: not even use, but locked up trying to find
ben_vulpes: it's wildly entertaining watching people thrash in their own contradictions
ben_vulpes: "humans can't be defective!" "well what do you call it when they're missing a chromosome, eh?"
ben_vulpes: the real fun is in asking "what word do you want me to use instead?" and then using it in such a way that all the partizans wince, knowing that word means The Bad Thing now.
ben_vulpes: in other top notch lolz, the redhat "totp" ios "app" does not provide for backing up the shared seeds.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yr defectively steeped in security theater
ben_vulpes: here i was, thinking that a redhat product would have features like 'backup'
ben_vulpes: im astonished this idiocy made it past the enterprise sales people; 'IT will want to know how to back these codes up'
ben_vulpes: or 'IT will want to know how to upgrade users devices without revoking every key and leaving accounts 'unsecured' during the TOTP rotation"
phf: ben_vulpes: before i finally gave up my ios, i was using pythonista for almost everything, including totp. there's some python totp implementation that i lifted from somewhere, that can be easily ported. i gave up writing a barcode recognizer, though it's not a particularly daunting task with numpy
ben_vulpes: i guess this is new as of the lifted ban on interpreters and compilers?
phf: pythonista has been around for a while. it's literally the only useful application for the iphone
phf: both times i wrote anything on pythonista was when i was traveling without a computer, and i do it semi-recreationally. with automatic indentation and completion it's not particularly painful, if the goal is to get some interesting computations going, rather then you know "programming environment". it's more of a turtle kind of exercise
phf: one thing i wrote that i was really happy with is a very simple gps coordinates to atlas grid mapper. the thing would basically draw a rectangle with atlas grid number, like p34 A7 and inside the rectangle it'll draw a large red dot which roughly indicates where in the quadrant you are. i was using it extensively on a trip through alaska, because the toy catches gps readily, but naturally can't catch internet connection. so it was a kind of navigation
phf: would make for a lovely torrent dump
phf: because their maps are certainly shit for any kind of navigation that's not by road.
ben_vulpes: let's just continue with the apple idiocy: "try the new safari! fast, energy efficient, and with a beautiful new design."
ben_vulpes: probably tastes great with a dash of "selectively run js load from google.com, facebook.com after everything else because trackers are js dogs"
phf: major reason i gave up ios is because getting a working connection proxy requires a full blown vpn going
phf: jesus what the fuck is this
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hey, t9 implementations suck now too. no auto-updating dictionary, statistic-based wordguessing...
ben_vulpes: you're happier hammering each numpad up to three times for a single letter?
☟︎ phf: ben_vulpes: t9's not bad, it has an auto-updating dictionary which i only use for names, because it also amuses me to write like i'm from a different planet.
ben_vulpes: pretty tragic that one even has the basis to ask 'how bad is the t9', given how well it worked two decades ago.
phf: "a face book? i do not poses a face book, i have many regular books though!"
ben_vulpes: i have developed an allergy to bending myself to fit my tools over the last four years; ios is one of the last bits of sand in me gears
phf: i recently threw out a perfectly working dual-sim nokia something or other, because i thought i lost the battery, but just yesterday i discovered that i had whole two batteries stored elsewhere.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-28 03:18 phf: asciilifeform: my point was that feature phones are not particularly good at their claimed purpose, that buying an old nokia is a hemingwriter, and compared to them iphone has a good sound quality.
phf: unlike the nokia though this t139 sound quality doesn't suck, so i retract my previous statements!
deedbot: cblgh voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: anyways cblgh logs are in channel title, if you're going to not wash out at least register a gpg key with deedbot
phf: you want to be ready for when "i don't have a smartphone" thing is in full swing in portland. you can be a full blown hipster avantguard
phf: haha, that's pretty cool, reminds me of transformers my parents brought me from amsterdam in the early 90s
ben_vulpes: a) don't live there or care too much about barista fashion anymore b) already lead that charge by toting the mp01 for a few months c) wake me up when "i don't have facebook" is actually popular
ben_vulpes: had display on the outside, could read texts without opening the thing. had google maps; internet over cell; a marvelous little device. great camera for the time as well.
ben_vulpes: actually just dug out some photos from that era, oh gracious me. macs with cameras were all the rage and boy howdy did we have fun taking photos of ourselves misbehaving.
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, does anyone know how to beat a trb into coughing up the actual raw transaction it sent?
ben_vulpes: aside from dumping the mempool and parsing each?
phf: you mean any and all transactions, or just wallet transactions you generated?
mircea_popescu: anyway, in re smartphone, kids today have seriously diminished executive function, roughly speaking incapable of communicating in any manner other than arbitrary-app-reimplementing-irc
mircea_popescu: most of them are too anxious to actually answer a phonecall (too much pressure! i only talk to my parents!) ; most of them are actually unaware of the web as such.
mircea_popescu: in short, two thirds or so of the neet population would actually meet mongoloid criteria cca 1917.
mircea_popescu: neglect has destroyed a generation. when 50yos don't fuck 15yos culture takes a hike.
mircea_popescu: there;s relatively little to differentiate white teenager born 1990/2000s from african teenager born at any point. which i guess was the point, or something.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: and cwallettx has the kooky IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE so it should be possible to hex to stdout through the rpc machinery?
phf: yeah, it'll automagically serialize itself when you put it into stream (obviously not hex, but raw binary)
phf: that gettransaction code seems to do everything that you want, you could probably just have something like "dumptransaction <txid> <destination>" and then it'll write to destination (and bail if destination exists)
ben_vulpes: sure, could be reasonable to dump to <txid>.bin in my mind as well
phf: i think correct method would really be to get the transaction out as a binary array into shiva, and then have a transaction parser in shiva itself that'll break it down into a sexp or whatever
☟︎☟︎ deedbot: BingoBoingo_ voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: phf: well i'd like to get something out of trb that i can dump into a txrelayulator
☟︎☟︎ shinohai: I got mine back mircea_popescu
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 00:54 ben_vulpes: you're happier hammering each numpad up to three times for a single letter?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 01:38 mircea_popescu: there;s relatively little to differentiate white teenager born 1990/2000s from african teenager born at any point. which i guess was the point, or something.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 02:17 ben_vulpes: phf: well i'd like to get something out of trb that i can dump into a txrelayulator
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 00:07 ben_vulpes: i had to laugh last night; someone at the table wanted to stake out the position that "people with downs syndrome aren't defective. you can't have defective humans!"
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a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 02:17 ben_vulpes: phf: well i'd like to get something out of trb that i can dump into a txrelayulator
trinque: the version number appears to be a factor which ends up isolating trb nodes, hypothesis being that the version number being set high invites nodes to insult the malleus patch.
☟︎ trinque: my own nodes have begun lagging far behind the chain tip, other folks report the same.
trinque: for now, I can report that setting the version number to 50400, a trb node will catch back up, txns will unstick.
☟︎ trinque: not a proposal for action, but those are my observations.
trinque: was on 50000x, within 10 or so of top now, after version change and restart.
trinque: prior to that the lag was increasing every time I checked.
trinque will be comparing multiple test subjects.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Spanish test a success. Was a wonderful opportunity to get forced into a prolongued stretch of not head translating. Thankfully the test was very patient and ergonomic.
BingoBoingo may have cheated a bit on the test leaning on the whole "animal magnetism" applied Trilema business.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: The accent on the test though, the single most challenging encountered so far.
BingoBoingo: Cada dia, hacer algo por su Trilema. Lo trabaja cuando vos trabajas
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BingoBoingo also this morning returned to the consultora to sign more forms on the road to having a bank account.
BingoBoingo: And the data center has sent draft contracts to review
BingoBoingo: Y en otra inglesas: "In other news, The Times reported that, for the first time in modern history, no Royal Navy fighting ships – destroyers, frigates, amphibious assault ships or carriers – would be operating away from Britain over Christmas and New Year."
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 05:20 trinque: the version number appears to be a factor which ends up isolating trb nodes, hypothesis being that the version number being set high invites nodes to insult the malleus patch.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-23 13:09 asciilifeform: the reason why mike_c's node appears 'stalled' is that it stopped fetching blocks. trb's block sync behaviour is unspeakably moronic, it will attempt 'long sync' ONCE, on warmup
a111: Logged on 2017-03-04 00:55 asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu , as you can probably tell, if node misses the window when $block was being actively thrown at it, then it has only these two knobs for attempting to get it
a111: Logged on 2017-03-04 01:11 asciilifeform: note that ProcessBlock() only ever asks ~the bastard-supplying peer~ for the bastard's prevblock.
deedbot: andreiislost voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: freetlas voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: freetlas: Habla! Quien es tu papa y Que lo hace el?
deedbot: mquander voiced for 30 minutes.
freetlas: I am an individual who sometimes reads trilema
BingoBoingo: Te registra una llave con deedbot de el senor trinque
freetlas: I wish I knew how Spanish grammar works
BingoBoingo: The only way to really learn is to move, live among the locals, then report back to one's betters
mod6: <+asciilifeform> apologies for the clutter, but this item really ought to live in the permarecord. << thanks for posting this.
freetlas: BingoBoingo: I do speak Spanish, but I do not know rules. Do you have an Uruguayan accent?
BingoBoingo: freetlas: Not yet. But I am starting to get a hang of ll y Y sound like Shhhh
mircea_popescu: it's funny how ll works as j[olly]j[oker] : it's sh in the south, moves to g in colombia, it's y normally...
freetlas: mircea_popescu: You have an Argentine accent, don't you?
BingoBoingo: When Colombians pass through the hostel though, very easy accent for my ears to process.
freetlas: mircea_popescu: be honest. DOn't be ashamed lol
mircea_popescu: normally i'm a total phonetic slut, but in this case i made an effort.
BingoBoingo: freetlas: mircea_popescu has a Roman accent
mircea_popescu: can't learn the accent of a despised herd of subhuman filth.
freetlas: BingoBoingo: It is. I mean, there are more than 4 different accents in Colombia.
BingoBoingo: freetlas: I man the accent on the columbians con dinera sufficient por vacacciones en Pocitos, Montevideo
freetlas: BingoBoingo: that's where you currently living?
BingoBoingo: Correcting a/o is what the Venezualana dentist makes her side gig doing
BingoBoingo: freetlas: Living yes, But in a way that challenges what i considered living before. Much more living aca.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 13:30 BingoBoingo may have cheated a bit on the test leaning on the whole "animal magnetism" applied Trilema business.
trinque: it is not as though I restarted the trb node once, said "oh ok, worx nao"
trinque: mats also reported to me that his nodes *will not keep up*, ben_vulpes also
trinque: I already put it in the log, what
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 05:23 trinque: for now, I can report that setting the version number to 50400, a trb node will catch back up, txns will unstick.
mircea_popescu: you got a blog, you saw teh fetlife/okcupid/whatever write-ups, knock yourself out in a mead of fermented detail.
BingoBoingo: Well, I just stayed a playful friendly extranjero and let the laughing and the context do the not heavy at all lifting
mircea_popescu: trinque the problem with "mats also reported to me that his nodes *will not keep up*, ben_vulpes also" is the ambiguity attendant. two guys walk into a diner, agree that coffee sucks there -- one's a colombian, local brew is swill ; the other's from alaska, can not stand hot beverages.
trinque: what was meant is that I want others to study their nodes while I study mine
trinque: and not simply go "alf says it isn't so, lets not look"
trinque: I plainly said what I was going to do about it
mircea_popescu: "study this room" rarely works in my experience (and yes, i experienced ; we have small toys for hiding etc)
mircea_popescu: trinque i gathered you moved from knob set to x to knob set to y ; that's not the same as a "do this experiment".
mircea_popescu: for instance, what specific variable was to be measured, and how.
mircea_popescu: reset does add some noise ; but it can be also filtered out otherwise.
trinque: I was brief on details because I fully expected that others are seeing the same behavior with the trb nodes they maintain. public indexes of nodes report that just about every single one is far behind.
mats: i've had some luck syncing with 'btcwire' nodes, when all of the advertised nodes were ~30 blocks behind or unreachable on sunday
mats: and at that time i just fed those blocks back to the advertised nodes, it caught up
trinque: one which probably doesn't implement enough of the prb protocol to get banned
trinque: think for a sec, that with the high version number you're advertising support for protocol "features" you then immediately issue a ban for.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in his case, because he wants to at least occasionally get txn out
trinque: this sort of thinking creates gigantic blind spots in which ways 0.5.4 is broken will hide.
trinque: I reported this in the log
mircea_popescu: we have no isp. we can't as much as fucking hire a chinese girl.
mircea_popescu: somehow nike manages to get its shoes sewn ; but not us
mats: in regular practice i'm uncertain how to masquerade as prb without running a heathen node and plugging trb into that
trinque: in the case of the version number (which I will obviously test extensively, and said so) it's possible it's a bad move to crank to maxver, because it's a lie saying "we support all misc novelties below this int"
trinque: mats: my node.deedbot.org node *immediately* synced to top after weeks of restarts and praying to satan when version number was set.
mats: trinque: who did you ask for blocks?
trinque: I have the republican list in addnode and that's it.
trinque: asciilifeform: where was that in argument
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 05:34 trinque will be comparing multiple test subjects.
trinque: I agree with that as well.
trinque: should be trivial to add an rpc to change the var
trinque: indeed, should be tested independently of this, can possibly preserve the high version.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meaningless magic number got set to the "closest ot inexistence" available.
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't blame the patch, only "now I have an observation which suggests touch the knob"
trinque suddenly realises that there are two intuitive items, tit.. and cock
trinque: the second, stick everywhere!
BingoBoingo: Where's that trilema about cock eating rock
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 14:37 BingoBoingo: Inglaterra es un pais pobre
trinque: BingoBoingo: how goes rackquest?
BingoBoingo: trinque: More slowly than I would like. The whole US citizen bullshit is giving the accountant quite a workout when it comes to making banking work to pay for the racks.
mircea_popescu: in other sads : one trb node was dead since fucking 22nd of august, because -- it ran into the fabled "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'DbRunRecoveryException' what(): DbEnv::txn_checkpoint: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery" which then kicked in a script to clean it up, which it did, but couldn't boot back up because for yet-unknown reasons there was a spurious .lock leftover ; corner case u
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ncovered, 1k man-hours worth of spuriously idiotic automation down teh drain.
BingoBoingo: trinque: As far as the racks themselves. Ready within 72 hours of signing a contract and paying for them, but IP address block from LACNIC will take 2 weeks from application to allocation.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The quote is for 100 MBPS decicated symmetrical. If there's more traffic in one direction, asymetrical dedicated lines are also available.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's getting his foot in tyhe door ; it'll scale.
trinque: BingoBoingo: would easily host my sites and botworx
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't see a number in there ; be moar useful and speak the value.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1e6 * 3600 * 24 * 30 = 2592000000000
BingoBoingo can't recall running a trbtron I could touch on a connection faster than 3 mbps until in Montevideo
mircea_popescu: by the time your trb node eats 10 MBps even, you've more serious problems than "buy more pipe". and that's inst not sustained.
BingoBoingo: Once trb gets enough network speed to work, extra doesn't offer much
mircea_popescu: bb broadfly has it, there's a narrow sliver of bw trb/prb can even use ; more than that it generally wastes.
mircea_popescu: and the narrow sliver in question is in the kbps range
mircea_popescu: ie, unless you got a good reason running a centralizing node, capping the bw for the damned thing doesn't do anything observable.
mircea_popescu: in practice more like 15x that, because it gotta chatter like a boring housewife.
BingoBoingo: 1-1.5 mbps cap tends to allow resonable block reception time and support a number of connections, and keeps pipe faily clear outside of block time
BingoBoingo: with an under 512 kbps cap, not many other nodes will want to be friends
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 16:44 mircea_popescu: in other sads : one trb node was dead since fucking 22nd of august, because -- it ran into the fabled "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'DbRunRecoveryException' what(): DbEnv::txn_checkpoint: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery" which then kicked in a script to clean it up, which it did, but couldn't boot back up because for yet-unknown reasons there was a spurious .lock leftover ; corner case u
mircea_popescu: i see it on occasion ; and yes decent predictor for ssd death.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> all i can say is, to date only observed db death on boxes with actual bit rot. << Aha, saw when trying to start trb from blockchain loaded onto box from corrupted thumb drive
mircea_popescu: lmao watching BingoBoingo spanish is amusing. los republica ? how many of it are there!
BingoBoingo: Because the venezualana is too busy to deliver suffient humilation on her own.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, as many republicitas as los senors.
BingoBoingo: But consider "vos sos [adjective]" mastered.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, accomodating the truth that most people want a friend more than I do, and letting them shoulder their share of the burden helps make BingoBoingo spanish functionally amusing in person.
deedbot: freetlas voiced for 30 minutes.
freetlas: Indeed, it is. Btw, Venezuelan* or venezolana/o
freetlas: In case you're talking about people from Venezuela
freetlas: Conoces una odontologa venezolana?
freetlas: BingoBoingo: It ain't fucking usted in Argentine Spanish bastard lol
freetlas: You're right. Uruguay is part of Argentina. It's just another state. :)
freetlas: I apologize, Lord BingoBoingo. Usted conoce a una odontologa venezolana?
deedbot: L1: 1, L2: 8 by 8 connections.
mircea_popescu: anyway, continuing the trinque discussion, it seems entirely unavoidable that trb will become 3 things : a wallet node, optimized for pumping out local signed tx ; a block node, optimized for keeping the blockchain, getting blocks, no mempool nonsense ; and a spy node, optimized to keeping track of the lies and nonsense flowing through the relay network (mempool, timing nodes, what have you).
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no conceivable reason to have all these 3 items in the same place.
mircea_popescu: key to the split is a rewrite of the db so it's less fucktarded.
mircea_popescu: and evidently the power rangers made the wrong cut. it is FINE to have a "light node" consisting of block and tx ; no spy.
mircea_popescu: but they cut out the essential part and left the nonsense.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, it can be said "it makes no sense to have A without B", which is true. though it DOES make perfect senser to have B without A, which is why they are to be cut.
mircea_popescu: because exactly, B is the basis of all things ; upon which basis A or C or both or neither may live.
mircea_popescu: then B can simply send PushGetBlocks until it falls over and entirely ignore mempool idiocy
mircea_popescu: thereby having nodes forever on the brink of the chain no matter what.
mircea_popescu: i guess. better have it capable and let operator design than have it incapable and no choice.
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https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history christel sold freenode to Private Internet Access Andrew Lee WHO ALSO OWNS SNOONET AND IS MOVING FREENODE TO THAT SERVER (NEXT MONTH) AND CLOSING DOWN OPEN SOURCE ROOMS PLEASE COMPLAIN IN CHAN FREENODErlpxbbo: gribble lobbesbot de
mircea_popescu: you know FOR A FACT that it's nsa-bs, because if it weren't, they'd have sold it to me not to some obscure mortodifame.
mircea_popescu: but it wasn't a "sale", it was a "mommy calls children home".
mircea_popescu: NOW, the first, and naive, thought, would be "o noes, all those poor but intelligent engineer minds who will lose their freenode ; we should try to help them"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: no. we should not. fuck them with a barbed stick. how DARE they be anywhere but here ? and why help such scum ?
mircea_popescu: "reference" is altspeak for "proof proofiness investigation"
deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: there's 0 reason to think in these terms. let the self-important impotent judges-of-all-things-makers-of-nothing wash their heads with their reference rights.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> no more "reference" bs. functionality. <
mircea_popescu: trinque needs so and so for so and so, let him have it.
mircea_popescu: what we need is all that matters ; anyone else's "rights" are indistinguishable from hallucinations.
mircea_popescu: show a need and get at the least a go ahead, ideally some help.
mircea_popescu: i'm absolutely NOT going to sit here and say to trinque yes you're here and doing things but your item should be even an iota less usefull to you than it could be "because public"
mircea_popescu: the public is henceforth a byword for they in the dungeons.
mircea_popescu: it's always cheaper to deal with china without idiot white cucks than with.
mircea_popescu: anytway, this car has been idliong in parking lot long enough. i will bbl fo reals.
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a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 17:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, continuing the trinque discussion, it seems entirely unavoidable that trb will become 3 things : a wallet node, optimized for pumping out local signed tx ; a block node, optimized for keeping the blockchain, getting blocks, no mempool nonsense ; and a spy node, optimized to keeping track of the lies and nonsense flowing through the relay network (mempool, timing nodes, what have you).
trinque: the cut turned out to be very clean, delete wallet.h/cpp, rip all references out, and item syncs just fine. it of course breaks getmempool and GenerateBlocks, whatever else.
trinque: nah, mempool cut can be a separate patch
trinque: kept this strictly to wallet
trinque: I will post an experimental patch soon, when fit for other hands
☟︎ shinohai: Neato trinque .... had discussed with mod6 before how divorcing wallet rpc functions from trb would be so much better.
trinque: what's needed is, say, a shivatronic script compiler for txn.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 01:52 phf: i think correct method would really be to get the transaction out as a binary array into shiva, and then have a transaction parser in shiva itself that'll break it down into a sexp or whatever
trinque: asciilifeform: beauty of v is that these paths can diverge cleanly, operator can choose which lineage to press. patches appropriate for multiple lines, ground onto multiple lines.
☟︎ phf: “Romanian Hackers Infiltrated 65% of DC Outdoor Surveillance Cameras (cnn.io)”
deedbot: freetlas voiced for 30 minutes.
freetlas: I'm very disapointted with myself for not even being a Beginner of The Republic.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755450 << i've picked up a book in new orleans, “Symbolic computation : applications to scientific computing”, it's all macsyma and various sussman style scheme hacks for exploring dynamic systems, but an interesting trick that almost all the code uses, which i guess was sop in lisp world at some point, is to do visualization and control on a lisp machine, but do the heavy numeric simulations in fortran 77. the in
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 18:35 asciilifeform: this is possible. when's the last time you saw a cpu-bound proggy in cl tho
phf: teractive environment is basically there to parametrize, and then it spits out a fortran code that crunches the numbers as it is
phf: like there's a paper on a multibody simulation system "implemented in zeta-lisp on symbolics 3600" with symbolic part done in macsyma, but the "numeric simulator" is implemented in fortran-77 running on a lisp machine
phf: there's a separate differential geometry package for non-linear dynamic systems in macsyma, likewise does analysis in macsyma, and then spits out fortran 77 code
phf: right, i guess you were doing industrial robotics and such?
phf: i have to admit, my math is so weak, it's reading these papers i realized that Proper Engineering actually uses something called state-space representation for discretizing dynamic systems, and that behaviors of, say, robotic manipulators, have time independent, closed form solutions. also of explains that scene from anathem, at the workshop
phf: well, i have an intuitive understanding of what's going on now, i just need to work through calca. i've also simultaneously understood why lapack is so valuable. and yes, i see how that ties to lagrange's mechanics.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 18:42 mircea_popescu: rooster sees hen and runs towards her. hen reflexively starts running away. after a short space the hen thinks "if i stop he'll think me a slut, if i keep running he'll think me stupid... how about i stumble."
shinohai is thoroughly enjoying these new pieces on the BingoBoingo blog ....
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: "tyvm" is not a valid command.
jhvh1: You are very welcome Daddy
diana_coman: it seems I also found a difference in press behaviour between asciilifeform's v99 and mod6's v: this new vpatch of mine si correctly identified as leaf and otherwise descendant of ch1_mpi.vpatch by both v ; however, when pressing ch2 vpatch, mod6's v presses this other leaf too from what I see, while asciilifeform's v99 does not press it; to me v99's behaviour seems correct but I don't know if this is something that was discussed before
diana_coman: ch2 vpatch is *another* leaf, sibling of this vpatch
mod6: i'll have to take a look a bit later here diana_coman
mod6: i simply curse the day that i ever wrote the thing
☟︎ diana_coman: mod6, no rush at all; I just reported it because unexpected to me; let me know if there is any other info I can provide to help
diana_coman: fwiw mod6 I'm rather happy you wrote it though, as it helped me a lot in the beginning when I was trying to get my head around v itself; having at least 2 implementations to compare is not a bad thing
mod6: yeah, it's not good though. literally everytime someone uses it, there seems to be some sort of ... 'it doesn't work'
mod6: i'll take a look and see what your thing is doing later. will report back.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, I plan precisely a unifier; that makes total sense to me, see above where I already said I consider v99 behaviour as correct