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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: back now.
asciilifeform: was in town.
asciilifeform: from the l0ltr0nz, https://news.vice.com/article/edward-snowden-leaks-tried-to-tell-nsa-about-surveillance-concerns-exclusive
asciilifeform: 'What's remarkable about this FOIA release, however, is that the NSA has admitted that it altered emails related to its discussions about Snowden.'
asciilifeform: pretty lulzy,
asciilifeform: 'On April 11, Vanity Fair released its story. That afternoon, Ledgett sent an email to Teresa Shea, the director of signals intelligence — or SIGINT, which is responsible for decoding electronic communications — and a number of officials whose names were redacted. (Later that year, Shea left the NSA after BuzzFeed reported that she and her husband ran a SIGINT "contracting and consulting" business out of their house in what appea
asciilifeform: red to be a conflict of interest with her official NSA duties.) The email, with the subject line, "Vanity Fair Article With Fugitive – May Cause Additional Work," said "the much anticipated Vanity Fair article with the fugitive is out.... Probably the most concerning issue in the article is the fugitives [sic] assertion that he raised complaints with NSA lawyers and oversight and compliance personnel."'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476906 << this one, like the last 4, fails checksum... ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-04 21:14 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3971168913649098519 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Craig A. West <west1@purdue.edu>; Craig A. West <cawest1221@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DF60B763FBE9B2830F5999D0549DB8803DCEEA6F6DCA7D0828EEEC9804B619AC
asciilifeform: oooooooook this gets interesting:
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EEC10B5DDCC3DF9891ED3E5ED9C69015202B07F218F4403DA0DBE64BE8558645 is the unrotted version of http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DF60B763FBE9B2830F5999D0549DB8803DCEEA6F6DCA7D0828EEEC9804B619AC
asciilifeform: i tracked it down manually.
asciilifeform: a 0xb6 in the middle of the primary modulus became a 0xb4. no other changes.
asciilifeform: this and the couple of similar cases could even be genuine bitrot...
asciilifeform: ^^^^^ http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rotten.png ^^^^^
asciilifeform: https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=cawest1221%40gmail.com << where found.
asciilifeform: in case there are arithmetic-challenged folks reading, this is a 1 bit flip.
asciilifeform: the funny part is that i'd bet real money that there are pgptrons that will happily eat and encipher to this key.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476897 << mod6 i was talking about the stator.sh in the tarball distributed on therealbitcoin.org. but more generally speaking we should NOT be linking to openssl.org or other heathens! the tarballs are not so big, they ought to be on trb site. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-04 19:33 mod6: if you're talking about "http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh" -- then yes, it's on the list of things to resolve/fix. thanks for letting us know.
mod6: yep
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ^^^^^ http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rotten.png ^^^^^ << weird
asciilifeform: mod6: these cases are thus far the only ones that even theoretically fit the description of 'really hot&bothered photon'
asciilifeform: and would appear to prove that anybody can upload whatever the fuck rubbish to sks and it will propagate.
asciilifeform: no need for it to even follow the format.
mod6: smh
asciilifeform: ?
mod6: im saying, "what a pile of shit". burn it all.
asciilifeform: newz at 11.
mod6: :]
asciilifeform: phriendz don't let phriendz install non-ecc dram.
asciilifeform: (or gossipate mutated turds.)
asciilifeform: (gossipate - to dissipate via a gossip system - is now hereby a term.)
mod6: so ordered
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so i was gonna ask you, you say books got ruined by any schmuck being able to print one ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not by the laser-print-on-demand thing as such.
asciilifeform: sorta like asking when titanic sank - when the hole was punched, when deck awash, when entirely invisible ?
asciilifeform: and yes i am aware that crackpots were able to have books printed at own expense 200 years ago.
asciilifeform: but they did not have distribution system equal to actual authors'.
asciilifeform: and i suspect that mircea_popescu will now tell me that 'any idiot can print and sell on amazon' is merely an opportunistic fungal infection. and he is probably right.
mircea_popescu: would you say random wage slave with a kid in tow and a vague interest in maybe spending a week on "writing a book" is watering down "neoreaction" or whatever the fuck you'd call the line of "being an internet tough guy in the style of curtis yarvin" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only to the extent such a thing will ding the snr of those folk
mircea_popescu: have you noticed this, by the way ? apparently, that's a line ; and apparently it'll get filled ; apparently by substantially the same guy.
mircea_popescu: there IS NO SNR of those folk.
mircea_popescu: they're people who like to jack off.
asciilifeform: ever been to or seen photo of old-school sewage catacomb ?
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: even there, there are lines where you have 2m of air and shit to yer knee, but in some you have 2m of shit
asciilifeform: and lucky if 1m of air.
mircea_popescu: so far we've not agreed this is part of any sort of catacomb.
asciilifeform: i find it to be such a thing. e.g., spandrel from earlier thread, is quite readable.
mircea_popescu: you like to act as if "books" are the same thing ; they aren't ; mostly because you like to think "people reading books" are the same thing. they also aren't. and sure as fuck "internet agreement clubs" aren't political instruments.
asciilifeform: and i personally gained much from (early) mr mold.
mircea_popescu: quantify this much.
asciilifeform: they didn't turn into 'agreement club' until much later.
mircea_popescu: "i became more able to continue as an automaton in the fiat order"
asciilifeform: waiwat
mircea_popescu: you know even basic compiler puts a fucking ^ at the specific point where it lost it ? what am i going to do with "waitwut" ?
asciilifeform: mr mold was a hilarious source of trivia re 100 yrs of usg rot. e.g., how kgb owned state dept., how prestige farming works in detail, etc. none of it original to him, he simply dug up the primary sources, best as he could. hence his nick.
mircea_popescu: so a sort of librarian for a special interest ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: this makes sense.
asciilifeform: 'mold bug' is actual engl. expression for this.
mircea_popescu: makes a lot of sense.
asciilifeform: he excavated a great boatload of lulz re u.s. civil war and subsequent smoke, likewise.
asciilifeform: iirc this was his original interest.
asciilifeform: he was also my introduction to the mechanics of fiatola.
asciilifeform: before there was bitcoin.
asciilifeform: very much helped in my head to set the permanent bozo bit on so-called 'civilized society.'
mircea_popescu: so you don't believe the situation where a man who is not in point of fact qualified to discuss these matters nevertheless discusses them actually "dillutes the internet".
asciilifeform: is dung beetle qualified to describe chemistry of puterfaction ?
mircea_popescu: specifically because while it won't be fundamentally correct, it'll still be interesting, and different interests are for different people.
mircea_popescu: ok, then by this same token you should believe "anyone can publish" improved books.
asciilifeform: 'anyone' l0l
mircea_popescu: well ?
mircea_popescu: look at these people. what fucking right do they have to discuss "society" ?
asciilifeform: not anyone. and not any bookz.
mircea_popescu: they're fucking poor, for one thing. dependents to the hilt. what.
asciilifeform: mr mold was at his best when his articles were 90+% quotation.
asciilifeform: and links to original txt.
mircea_popescu: if yarvin/spandrell/etc qualify to discuss society ; then literally ex boxers are qualified to pen books.
asciilifeform: spandrell, notice, likewise :
asciilifeform: is a TRANSLATOR
mircea_popescu: so what if he does ? he ~is~ not blueblooded.
asciilifeform: possibly not world's best, but is the one willing to tell me about the emperor's bow etc.
mircea_popescu: do you mind discussing what we're discussing rather than what you're discussing ?
asciilifeform: it is pertinent
mircea_popescu: how ?
asciilifeform: they dun need to be 'blue blood' or whatever, because they are bringing to me pieces from archaeological dig
asciilifeform: can be mules, for all i care.
asciilifeform: or truffle pig, if you prefer.
mircea_popescu: they're plaintext pieces.
asciilifeform: that i would not otherwise encounter.
mircea_popescu: how is this supposed to work, "waiter can be as dirty as he pleases, not like he's the cook" ?
mircea_popescu: what YOU would do dun matter one wit.
asciilifeform: in so much as q concerned my appetites, it did.
mircea_popescu: the fact remains random married derp who has to earn his daily bread has no right and no qualification to criticise society.
asciilifeform: and he has no dirigible! the nerve!
mircea_popescu: sooner or later it'll come back to "oh, you don't seriously mean to kill my children!111"
mircea_popescu: well ?
asciilifeform: i know nothing of spandrell's doom - perhaps he is raising his children in a madrassa, where they have perfect marks in shaheed belt preparation.
asciilifeform: and will meet 777 virgins at 17.
asciilifeform: and perhaps not.
mircea_popescu: the fact remains that either you agree EVERYONE writing as many books as humanly possible is really a benefit for books, somehow (cuz you get access to supposedly valuable whatever the fuck you wouldn't have otherwise) ; or else you agree random internet dude picking up the web mantle and derping about how "the cathedral" sucks is really fucking up the work of the actual good men involved in tearing that shit down.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a way inside here, is there ?
asciilifeform: i dun see this dichotomy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this "nobody on the internet knows you're a dog" does not excuse any dogs.
asciilifeform: it excuses dog who gets results.
asciilifeform: and no others.
mircea_popescu: does not, no.
mircea_popescu: "my gpg works" does not excuse gpg.
asciilifeform: fact is, until i learn cn myself, spandrell's me man for cn.
asciilifeform: until mircea_popescu learns it and replaces him. etc
mircea_popescu: well, and until i learn stupid myself, dickens' my man for stupid.
asciilifeform: 'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale' -- my grandfather
mircea_popescu: so then therefore we agree that more books being published is the best thing that ever happened for the book.
asciilifeform: nope.
mircea_popescu: it also killed it, but that's just a bad coincidence.
mircea_popescu: hey, you can't special plead. you gotta argue to mechanism.
asciilifeform: talented truffle pig != rando shit vulture.
asciilifeform: mechanism is that he finds the trufflez.
asciilifeform: what other do i need ?
mircea_popescu: so far this difference is entirely in eye of youholder.
asciilifeform: it is, and it would appear that we are beholding somewhat different inputs ?
asciilifeform: did mircea_popescu's intel inform him that spandrell's translations are in fact no translations at all and he pulled it all from his thumb ? or what.
mircea_popescu: well, if it's all in eye of beholder, then books ~can't be ruined~.
mircea_popescu: cuz it's not about what they are.
asciilifeform: books can be buried.
asciilifeform: and have been.
asciilifeform: hence why i pinch my nose and hear out the scavengers.
mircea_popescu: and what, blog articles can't ?
mircea_popescu: lol, we've seen it done.
asciilifeform: sure!
asciilifeform: anything can be.
mircea_popescu: so then how did this become some sort of argument.
asciilifeform: which this
mircea_popescu: "x can be burried" "so can y" "anything can be" "Then why bring it up"
asciilifeform: detail re books is that at one point there was a certain 'proof of work' implicit in getting the thing on the market.
asciilifeform: whereas now there is ~not.
asciilifeform: and it is approx. like the situation of blog.
mircea_popescu: i see not the difference. before, you had to get permission from authority to publish ; then, you had to get enough money / promise of sales together ; finally, you had to have a "following".
asciilifeform: 'proof of work' did not prevent snow jobs (consider steven j gould's snow job targeted at 'bell curve', say, or 1,001 other examples)
asciilifeform: but it was EXPENSIVE
mircea_popescu: seems scarcely any difference. the pow such as it was, always was some social capital, and not much at that.
asciilifeform: and required dedicated, usually known, fella with axe to grind
mircea_popescu: neither's true, no.
mircea_popescu: let's approach this from a different angle.
asciilifeform: hanno bock did his thing for the cost of a glass of schnapps or whatever. whereas in, say, 100 yrs ago, he and i would both have to pay for typesetting etc.
mircea_popescu: to any human activity that's fragmentary and incomplete (such as writing, whatever the form), two fundamental approaches may be applied.
mircea_popescu: the idiotic one, and also the historical loser, is to reject anything imperfect, and hold out.
mircea_popescu: the smart one, and also the historical winner, is to accept anything not-entirely-shitty, and let it sort itself.
mircea_popescu: now, as per the former, you'd have to forbid anyone from writing anything about "neoreaction" because i dunno, they're clouding out the true truth as found on your blog.
mircea_popescu: historically, they tried to control commentary on the bible, for it distracted from bible study.
mircea_popescu: but as per the latter... just fucking write, who cares.
mircea_popescu: you can't well mix these.
asciilifeform: i'm with the latter. but also observed that 'resistance of the medium' is a thing, and that if cranking out crapolade costs 0, then the most prolix idiot is winner.
mircea_popescu: is he ?
asciilifeform: and will eventually bury the universe in shit.
mircea_popescu: i dunno man, always takes more to write than it takes to not read.
asciilifeform: consider something as well-known as the death of email.
mircea_popescu: i just used it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: shannonizers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not use email, he uses whitelistmail.
asciilifeform: whereas once there was such a thing as email.
asciilifeform: you can choose to call whitemail 'email', aesthetic preference i guess, but it is NOT same.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe i ever found myself in this "email" situation. not ever. trilema comments have been a shocking exception, but otherwise
mircea_popescu: a) i never participated in groups where open address was the norm and b) you'd have to go through filters to get to me.
asciilifeform: i did, at various times, as a very heavy cost of this 'earning bread' thing.
asciilifeform: in my, as mircea_popescu called it, 'countereconomic rathole'
mircea_popescu: seems more a mark of poverty than anything really.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
mircea_popescu: so then what "death of email". like "Death of lice", oh honey, what ever happened to all the lice.
mircea_popescu: "we moved up in the world."
asciilifeform: nope. death of fuck-strangers-but-no-syphilis.
asciilifeform: it's a thing.
asciilifeform: (was a thing.)
mircea_popescu: dun think so.
asciilifeform: there was a time when derps and derpfarmers were not given net pipes.
asciilifeform: had to pollute the backs of newspapers instead.
mircea_popescu: they're not really given netpipes now, either. gotta pollute windows and forums and whatnot.
asciilifeform: and the ruins of email.
asciilifeform: i have a box that gets 400+ pieces of shit every day.
asciilifeform: i clean it manually.
asciilifeform: because cannot afford 1 false positive.
mircea_popescu: sounds like a stupid set-up.
asciilifeform: noshit?
asciilifeform: but what is alternative ?
mircea_popescu: same thing qntra does.
asciilifeform: which is ?
mircea_popescu: or phuctor. link to here.
asciilifeform: l0l aaaaaahaha suuuuure.
mircea_popescu: what are you, a 17yo ?
asciilifeform: it's a bloody fiat co.
mircea_popescu: tough ?
mircea_popescu: "you want to get through, this is how you get through. you don't want to get through, here's an unsupervised mailbox"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has NEVER been in a weak negotiating position in his whole life, has he.
mircea_popescu: how would i be ?
mircea_popescu: this is like "mp has never been married". you gotta CONSENT to be married!
mircea_popescu: exact mirror of the "what's derp to do" from earlier, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476883 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-04 16:33 asciilifeform: i can see it from dirigible, firing warning hbomb shots across potomac river. but from captive derp ?
asciilifeform: say his psi superpowers quit.
mircea_popescu: what ever happened to "you want it signed, 5bn goes there. else take a hike"
asciilifeform: and fill stomach with what ?
mircea_popescu: people have died before.
asciilifeform: 'no mr bond! we expect you to die!1111'
asciilifeform: (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: civilised, eh ?
asciilifeform: aha. he had asked 'whaddayaexpectmetodo'
mircea_popescu: "everything i do is me being in a '''weak''' negotiating position. it's my sexual fantasy."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu did not grow up as the monkey in the puzzle and beating experiment. which is all very good for him.
mircea_popescu: what you call "a weak negotiating position" i call being a woman. you're supposed to take it up the ass ; that's the design.
mircea_popescu: whenever you get bored of that design... stop.
asciilifeform: once upon a time, mircea_popescu met a cabbie and gave him a broomstick. but original legend did not tell us that he also gave him a 1941 nagan, complete with 'tula' and red star, loaded with 1 round, and the learned man said to the cabbie, 'when you get bored of sitting on the broomstick, here - you can stop'
mircea_popescu: can one even kill himself with a nagant ? ain't it too long ?
asciilifeform: http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/005932/5932881.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu was prolly thinking of a mosin.
mircea_popescu: ah
asciilifeform: (same frenchman involved in both)
mircea_popescu: the irony of all time being that all these schmucks running around enacting this damsel in distress fantasy "oh noes i'm in a WEAK NEGOTIATING POSITION" are all working class stiffs with absolutely nothing to look for anyway, and that in the best case.
mircea_popescu: "oh, i gotta take college debt on, i'm in a weak negotiating position. otherwise i don't get to my bright fucking future".
mircea_popescu: it's never you know, i'm the lord of aquitanie, here lost in fucking coventry and i want to go back home.
asciilifeform: this is funny today, because there is no 'bright fyoootoor of communism' and it is obvious to a sea slug
mircea_popescu: no, it's alweays "if i do really well maybe I WILL BE". you'll be what, exactly.
asciilifeform: but was it funny in 1990 ?
mircea_popescu: next battle's "weak negotiating position"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was funny in 1990.
mircea_popescu has said the same thing in many languages to date.
asciilifeform: let's revisit spandrell's mandarins. you could take mandarin exam, or sell salt on the black market and be 13333333337 w4rl0rd
asciilifeform: the war genius already knows who he is.
asciilifeform: because he had folks bowing to him when he was 3 or whatnot.
asciilifeform: so if that ain't you, young cn fella with aspirations, study the bloody poems and deposit balls in this here jar.
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: is there a 3rd jar i'm missing ?
asciilifeform: (then or now)
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would a man chose to live as a woman over dying as a man.
asciilifeform: sloth?
mircea_popescu: there's a very fucking good reason she changes her name and wears her hair as long as captor ordains. it's the fucking design, she gets captured and re-socialized in captor's castle.
mircea_popescu: sloth huh ?
asciilifeform: and at any rate mircea_popescu should thank beelzebub for this, because otherwise he'd be buried under pile of corpses.
asciilifeform: imho most folks if they were thinking straight would have eaten nagan long ago.
mircea_popescu: i can't say i particularly care either way.
mircea_popescu: but now i finally understand why i'm mostly uninterested in having any truck with males.
mircea_popescu: what males.
asciilifeform: i thought they still had some in afghan or wherever.
mircea_popescu: without letters of introduction from known source... best stick with skirts.
mircea_popescu: which is what stuff like bar mitzvah etc was supposed to be in the first place.
asciilifeform: i thought it was as proof of min iq for marriagebility
asciilifeform: (bloke had to read wordz)
mircea_popescu: hm
asciilifeform: y'know - from the sheepskin.
mircea_popescu: well, as ritual. but as meaning, it's a sort of "men of community vouch for this young shit"
asciilifeform: in front of the wot^H^H^Hshtetl
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: but vouched conditionally, had to jump through the burning ring
mircea_popescu: which come to think about... i dunno where they find these. i knew maybe half dozen 13yo i'd have vouched for, and that's already pushing it.
asciilifeform: because it was pretty low bar.
mircea_popescu: where do they find dudes to vouch for everything that ever crawls out from between a woman's legs is the mystery of all time.
asciilifeform: 'right half of bell curve' or the like.
mircea_popescu: mno, gotta be a man.
asciilifeform: man who can read.
mircea_popescu: ~= "no weak negotiating positioning"
asciilifeform: what negotiating. father was a peddler, son - peddler.
asciilifeform: negotiates - with customers strictly.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing in there against being a peddler.
asciilifeform: no? isn't it 'womanly cowardice', earning motherfucking bread, doing a job ?
asciilifeform: instead of being, e.g., highwayman.
mircea_popescu: one doesn't have to be a highwayman anymore than anything else. what, you gotta be a highwayman now ?
asciilifeform: i read a very distinct 'yarrrrrrrrrrrr i'ma a pirate and yer all landlubbin' scum' in mircea_popescu's earlier observations re 'negotiating position' and 'why not try not eating'
mircea_popescu: the peddler is perfectly respectable.
asciilifeform: why peddler respectable, but programmer - not ?
mircea_popescu: peddler peddles on his own time.
asciilifeform: what's the operative, as mircea_popescu would ask, difference ?
mircea_popescu: liberal profession, just like any other.
asciilifeform: and then he is taken by the turks and is on a galley.
asciilifeform: can row or die.
mircea_popescu: better kill some turks i guess.
asciilifeform: with his psi powers ?
mircea_popescu: nobody cares.
asciilifeform: finally we get to the magic algo, no ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno ? do we ?
asciilifeform: a victorious mircea_popescu is made up of 10,001 young corpses where they went to the galleys and nobody cares.
asciilifeform: this is not my invention, it is how nature works.
asciilifeform: and is fine.
mircea_popescu: what's the relation ?
asciilifeform: but for the remaining standing one to refer to it as an algo that can be picked up and used by somebody, is rather odd.
asciilifeform: the relation is that we just re-did the everett's device thread.
mircea_popescu: you're so narrowly welded to this "i will improve my lot" us quakerism. what algo.
mircea_popescu: there isn't an algo. not something to use, or w/e. the results aren't within your hands.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu proffers the nagan, newz at 11
mircea_popescu: you do what you do. what comes of it, nobody cares. ideally least of all you. once you start caring, you start losing.
asciilifeform: standard soldierly advice. but it also goes with 'trust allah but tie camel.'
mircea_popescu: there's this moment of manhood for homer simpson when marge bakes a pie and he says "i'm just going to chew this way, no pies better be getting in my way".
mircea_popescu: that's what it is, what.
asciilifeform: so the only true hero is solipsist, who chews in wholly uncorrelated direction with anybody else's ?
mircea_popescu: the only true hero is solipsist. that much is sterling.
mircea_popescu: also why correlation is such an iffy business.
asciilifeform: sorta goes with the eastern thing where 'tru guru!111 would never stoop to speaking with unclean derpz'
asciilifeform: 'lives in cave, on mountain air alone'
mircea_popescu: well, the world's in general an imposition.
asciilifeform: the greatz understood this.
mircea_popescu: kinda why the whole "materialism", be it whichever socialist flavour is so lulzy. dude, srsly, "you've solved the problems of people" ? gee whiz, i wonder why they can't be arsed to pick up your calls.
asciilifeform: even orwell had this nailed.
asciilifeform: '[Hitler] has grasped the falsity of the hedonistic attitude to life. Nearly all western thought since the last war, certainly all “progressive” thought, has assumed tacitly that human beings desire nothing beyond ease, security, and avoidance of pain. In such a view of life there is no room, for instance, for patriotism and the military virtues. Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows
asciilifeform: that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flag and loyalty-parades ... Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a grudging way, have said to people “I offer you a good time,” Hitler has said to them “I offer you struggle, danger and death,” and as a ☟︎
asciilifeform: result a whole nation flings itself at his feet'
mircea_popescu: lemme ask you this. suppose for whatever reason tomorrow you gotta make a choice ; say of employer.
mircea_popescu: now, if you pick employer A, you do reversing, and will be killed in a car crash next week.
mircea_popescu: however, if you pick employer B, you do cooking, and will be killed in a kitchen fire next month.
mircea_popescu: does it EVEN MAKE A FUCKING DIFFERENCE what comes after "and will" ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck gives a shit.
asciilifeform: can i pick sitting on my arse and smelling ze flowers and dying of hunger in ~2~ month ?
mircea_popescu: nope.
asciilifeform: why the fuck not.
mircea_popescu: because you think you must have an employer.
asciilifeform: btw it'd be spiffy if shit jobs came with build-in 'you will last THIS long' like butugychag did.
asciilifeform: *built-in
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: so you're going to change careers for the extra weeks then ?
mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, is why it's so hard to get men to stop smoking. women - easy enough, show them sufficient pictures of children fucked by alligators or whatnot. men... dun care.)
asciilifeform: this example makes 0 sense tho. if i know that martians will devour me in 1 week, i sure as fuck wouldn't work
asciilifeform: this is sorta how 'retirement' used to work
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: folks would quit and run on batteries with the understanding that grim reaper would come before dough runs out
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, mircea_popescu has any observation re bitrot earlier ?
mircea_popescu: nope. i have nfi how they could possibly "bitrot" seeing how the sks updates are really supposed to pass hashes of files too ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the whole "we spontaneously change keys for no reason" thing is as ridiculous as it always was. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Question of the day is was the flipped bit a blink or a pause in the fiber
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477239 << seems like they do 0 test at all ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 02:49 mircea_popescu: nope. i have nfi how they could possibly "bitrot" seeing how the sks updates are really supposed to pass hashes of files too
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477240 << observe, original was still there ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 02:50 mircea_popescu: the whole "we spontaneously change keys for no reason" thing is as ridiculous as it always was.
asciilifeform: mutant simply registered as 'yet another key for this name'.
asciilifeform: try flipping some other bit and uploading. (anybody bored?)
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 414833 | Current Difficulty: 1.99312067531243E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 415295 | Next Difficulty In: 462 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 57 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you still have a bunch of old l0gz links on your www, because didn't massage the 'log1.bitcoin-assets....' cases.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency cad
gribble: Bitstamp BTCCAD last: 745.2288, vol: 6621.82014231 | BTC-E BTCCAD last: 727.7625, vol: 6258.55713 | CampBX BTCCAD last: 718.059, vol: 0.15 | BTCChina BTCCAD last: 755.00053, vol: 55265.16610000 | Kraken BTCCAD last: 750.516, vol: 93.62476083 | Volume-weighted last average: 751.547933812
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 3833.53, vol: 55249.78250000 | Volume-weighted last average: 3833.53
BingoBoingo: Reasons Bayer > Monsanto #786 https://www.bayeradvanced.com/find-a-product/lawn-care/bermudagrass-control-for-lawns
mod6: alright, so now (still in test) but when someone [adds/edits/removes] a ticket via tb0t, those changes are propagated to the live website along with generated graphs.
mod6: will continue testing a bit tomorrow, and if all is well, may deploy. the log part still needs a few tweaks, but main stuff is complete.
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ << files here are being updated four times per hour. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: eh check it out, exceptions without surcease.
mircea_popescu: nice mod6 !
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 284 rows affected.
deedbot: [Trilema] The labyrinth of gender - http://trilema.com/2016/the-labyrinth-of-gender/
mircea_popescu: http://8btc.com/thread-34259-1-1.html << if anyone can explain...
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477259 << the node links all 404 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 05:39 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ << files here are being updated four times per hour.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://8btc.com/thread-34259-1-1.html << if anyone can explain... << lol google translate "Who Trilema that? This study should be doing it? "
mircea_popescu: chinese is entirely opaque.
asciilifeform: quite possible one has to reformat own head entirely to deal in it. becoming somewhat martian himself in the process.
asciilifeform: also iirc it has pathologically liberal word order. hence the autotranslator soup appearing above.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/lets-do-chinese-together/#comment-117431
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is a winner. the euro fictions ~don't~ really compile in cn.
asciilifeform: as i said years ago. as schwartz said. etc.
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm new. i spent most of my life not giving a shit.
asciilifeform: them martianfolk dun care if we give a shit. they just silently take over...
mircea_popescu: i wonder how chinese children end up learning it.
asciilifeform: afaik - quite fragmentarily. a 10,000 hieroglyph vocab. of a learned cn man would scarcely qualify as literacy in a euro lang
asciilifeform: cn writing system is its own mandarin exam
asciilifeform: deliberately loaded up on arbitrary crapola.
mircea_popescu: oh god the writing.
mircea_popescu: i wasn't even going there.
asciilifeform: and that's SIMPLIFIED chinese we're talking about!
mircea_popescu: there is no actual future for chinese culture is there.
asciilifeform: in tw - traditional. worse.
mircea_popescu: idish has better perspectives.
asciilifeform: plenty of mas futuro. the insectoid way of organizing is - effective. sadly.
asciilifeform: idish is ~dead, while 1 in every handful of live humans speaks (and might even read some) cn.
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: im not sure i know what you mean by insectoid.
mircea_popescu: so far in any case it seems that the chinese are the people and the usians the insectoids.
asciilifeform: meant the very specific castrated mandarin / ~illiterate peasant mass thing.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : de niro's so obsexed with pacino, he had to have his very own scent of a woman (dirty granpa). you should see this thing. they manage to be so weird they spend half the movie apologizing, man-to-man-talking and etc for his eventual fucking (sort-of) this teenaged slut.
asciilifeform: which is being replicated in usa as we speak, naturally
mircea_popescu: ridiculous with dingbats. and oh so poorly written, good lord.
asciilifeform: 'civilization' yields bug-men and cn has 5000 yrs of practice, while white man is a n00b. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and in your daily "i'm doing research on social media and it ends up moving the market" news, http://www.collarspace.com/details.asp?v=2416633&bhcp=1 ☟︎
asciilifeform: e.g., the eastern folk are lightyearz ahead in the art of people-packin' as contemplated in mircea_popescu's 'female herd' articles
mircea_popescu: there's an ancient ro joke/sf story whereby people moved into the past "limitedly" for "research purposes", and ended up discovering that most everyone there is... them, with the actual locals a tiny minority.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linked site dead?
mircea_popescu: but that's nothing ; the case is still fresh in my mind when BingoBoingo made up some stupid shit about how a guy was so fat he used a stick to wipe his ass ; and other perverse defecation tales - which then became the ACCEPTED STANDARD of "what fat people do" according to "everyone" on social media.
asciilifeform: aaaaactually
mircea_popescu: this confusion of meta for literal is its very own doom.
asciilifeform: the stick exists
asciilifeform: dan mocsny described it
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477297 <<< with a handy imgur album of horsefucking cartoons yet. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 13:42 mircea_popescu: and in your daily "i'm doing research on social media and it ends up moving the market" news, http://www.collarspace.com/details.asp?v=2416633&bhcp=1
asciilifeform: from own travels
asciilifeform: circa 01 or so
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: $s reach implement
a111: 1 results for "reach implement", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=reach%20implement
mircea_popescu: shinohai and a bunch of nude selfies.
asciilifeform: it can be had from the same folk selling the reinforced toilets etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform link to this 01 item ?
asciilifeform: would link but google's usenet archive ~dead.
asciilifeform: i'll have to pull it off optical disk.
mircea_popescu: of course nonsensical hysteria can just as well be periodically rediscovered.
asciilifeform: look into sumo
mircea_popescu: but that aside, as many people use a stick to wipe their own ass as died of fan-mediated asphyxia.
asciilifeform: the sumo men are well documented to use apprentice fighters as arse wipers.
mircea_popescu: sure ; different story.
asciilifeform: similar story. geometrically.
BingoBoingo: http://www.amplestuff.com/bathshop.aspx
BingoBoingo: brb
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but that's nothing ; the case is still fresh in my mind when BingoBoingo made up some stupid shit about how a guy was so fat he used a stick to wipe his ass ; and other perverse defecation tales - which then became the ACCEPTED STANDARD of "what fat people do" according to "everyone" on social media. << ty, but that is credit for TOO much
mircea_popescu: i honestly believe the item exists because you were bored one day ; and people couldn't distinguish between "social media signal" and actual need.
BingoBoingo: Who knows how many fat people were helped in this version of legend because they moved up from not wiping at all thanks to stick discovery!
asciilifeform: having seen in real life the circa freaks in question, i find it plain as daylight that they cannot reach own arse
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that part's not in any doubt.
asciilifeform: stick existed but obsoleted by water gizmoes
BingoBoingo thought asciilifeform had not seen nor believed in them. Or were they in Chiraq the other week?
BingoBoingo: srs, brb
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've seen them, they simply aren't to be met with regularly anywhere i've been
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo will be stimulated to learn that there is some sort of comic book convention going in washington and i saw 'land whales' last night in a train, headed from it to dinner
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform checked out "moron lab". didn't live long did it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was pre-urbit-release
asciilifeform: the release was quasi-forced, i found where he kept it and linked publicly (it was not well-hidden)
mircea_popescu: ic.
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder if i'm the only guy who ever had one blog.
asciilifeform: fella wasn't quite certain what he wanted, and soon after the publication, devil approached him with bargain. ☟︎
asciilifeform: which he took.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, it's the optimal use for "his idea" such as it was.
asciilifeform: sure is.
asciilifeform: devil has a head on his shoulders, to an extent.
mircea_popescu: to a large extent. 7 heads or what was it.
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu: in other news, kill is fucking useless.
mircea_popescu: i want what used to be signal 6, ABRT ; indicating to the receiving item to immediately drop whatever subroutine is doing and continue above.
mircea_popescu: this because interaction between firefox and javascript is nothing short of noxious
mircea_popescu: but can i ? mmmmno.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kill -9
asciilifeform: the others are ~useless.
mircea_popescu: no. i do not want to kill the program. i want to force it to drop what it's doing and pay attention.
mircea_popescu: just like irl works.
asciilifeform: ahahahaha http://www.loper-os.org/?p=215
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: no dice on idiot c machine.
asciilifeform: where there is no such thing as clean aborts even if author wanted this.
mircea_popescu: ftr, since "micro atx", no, not the power switch.
asciilifeform: aha iknow
mircea_popescu: anyway, what's the big fucking whoop. when caught sigabort, return(6) or w/e.
mircea_popescu: what, forcing program writer whores to procedurize sanely is too onerous ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do you do with the progressing system calls?
mircea_popescu: drop them all.
asciilifeform: not how it worx
mircea_popescu: not like i care "how it worx"
asciilifeform: carry on not caring. but unix remains a pile of shit.
mircea_popescu: that may be, but there's still absolutely no reason it can't IMMEDIATELY RETURN WHATEVER CURRENT PROCEDURE ITS IN
asciilifeform: the result is ~certain to be barf.
mircea_popescu: so write better programs.
mircea_popescu: "every stack frame can at any time and for no reason return ; handle this."
asciilifeform: hey dunlookatme, e.g., 8ball, survives interruption at whatever point
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can't do this on c machine, because it has, e.g., a heap also
asciilifeform: who will clean up when 'returns whenever'
mircea_popescu: upon return, whatever was allocated for it on heap is free.
asciilifeform: this 'die now' business works for sigkill because it is quite obvious to os what to do to clean wholly dead process.
mircea_popescu: there's no difference re "wholly dead procedure".
mircea_popescu: wipe its shit.
asciilifeform: but in this case mircea_popescu wants proggy to carry on
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: how, if you 'wiped its shit'
mircea_popescu: you didn't wipe the program scope ; you wiped the frame in question.
asciilifeform: do you recall my attempt at forcing trb to flush its mempool?
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: heap dun have frames, mircea_popescu .
mircea_popescu: this is a superclass of that.
mircea_popescu: DONT LOOK AT ME! I'm not the one who came up with that bright idea.
asciilifeform: c machine.
mircea_popescu: there's ~no reason you couldn't allocate memory properly, c or no c.
asciilifeform: btw ada forces pointers to obey frame, interestingly. it is expensive.
mircea_popescu: i'm willing to bet it isn't,.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'conscientious c programmer' is a mythical dragon of sorts, like 'honest bureaucrat'
asciilifeform: the medium has a will of its own.
mircea_popescu: nothing can be more expensive than this "oops sorry firefox got lost in bootstrap.js".
mircea_popescu: try the experiment : open temp-mail.org in a browser let it sit for a day, then profile it.
asciilifeform: iirc ff is a single threaded turd even.
asciilifeform: was always turd.
asciilifeform: the basic plague of c machine is that forces computation into semantic soup.
asciilifeform: where, e.g., bignums dun exist, only big puddles of ??? that the machine has nfi re the purpose of, etc
asciilifeform: ditto process life cycle
mircea_popescu: it's bullshit. of course the machine has fi. just... it likes to ambiguously pretend it does or doesn't, like a lazy bitch.
mircea_popescu: if it dun feel like doing what you want, "it has nfi" ; otherwise, if there's a virus or something, it knows them like its own tits.
asciilifeform: see again the mempool example.
asciilifeform: the items in question were entangled.
mircea_popescu: if you were right no sub could ever read anything back from memory.
asciilifeform slams head on desk
mircea_popescu: this isn't the case ; and that it isn't the case is proof archsufficient it knows EXACTLY what's what and OPTS to not do what i tell it to.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://themerkle.com/egyptian-dentist-apprehended-in-bitcoin-sting-operation-in-cairo << qntra ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my contention is not that it is impossible to write proggy that behaves sanely under unix when catches SIGABRT or whatnot, but that the effort required to do so and the verbosity of the resulting code is beyond most folk.
asciilifeform: this is what it means for 'shit os' and 'shit language'.
asciilifeform: that ~reasonable~ behaviour requires unreasonable degree of complexity.
asciilifeform: defective abstractions.
mircea_popescu: well, pick different abstractions i guess, because the only response stavka has for "we don't have adequate tools" is coming down a gun barrel.
asciilifeform: 'lose the other army!'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the best part of that article is random derp frothing about how "monero'd have made it impossible for egypt to be a shithole"
asciilifeform: waiiwut
mircea_popescu: see comments.
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: lulzy
mircea_popescu: it's like the derps got kicked out of bitcoin, seamlessly moved to whatever.
asciilifeform: i thought monero was an ancient heresy
asciilifeform: '11 or sumthing
asciilifeform: had nfi it is still a thing.
mircea_popescu: it's not clear it's heresy in any sense ; but the core of web-shannonizers is always the same.
mircea_popescu: they're the same people who think islam means they get a nice wife courtesy of allah, just like that.
mircea_popescu: technology that works by itself and solves their problems, that sorta stuff.
asciilifeform: the 'bitcoin but no public record of movement' thing is theoretically appealing but the math was defective.
asciilifeform: and the proponents - in denial.
mircea_popescu: and the "punishes adultery and encourages marriage" thing - exactly the same.
asciilifeform: i could've sworn we had a monero thread
mircea_popescu: not really. main dev was in #b-a, invited twice to argue his thing, declined twice to do so.
asciilifeform: funkenstein ?
mircea_popescu: nah, fluffypony
asciilifeform: or what that somebody else
asciilifeform: ah
mircea_popescu: funkenstein was doing something or the other (even more modestly) with some other coin, wood-something.
asciilifeform: american business folk have a term, 'technical debt', for this kind of horror
asciilifeform: it means, as i understand, 'this dun work but WE KNOW HOW TO FIX!111111 and will fix before anyone notices!11'
mircea_popescu: well... mno ; they're not bad people, just, married to a context.
asciilifeform: married to a broken-down husk of a thing.
mircea_popescu: it's one of those "i'll be a man and everything else will stay as it was when i was a child".
mircea_popescu: technically i suppose the word would be emotional debt.
asciilifeform: the folks with the 'modest' coins always rubbed me wrong
mircea_popescu: at least that's how i saw it ; "i ~~~just want to~~~ work on these technical problems, and will ignore/hallucinate/otherwise cope with the political implications"
mircea_popescu: why ?
asciilifeform: they gave distinct impression of labouring under a notion that 'our thing will be different because we can keep the Bad People out by being Modest'
asciilifeform: rather than on account of mechanism.
asciilifeform: heavy on promise, light on protocol.
mircea_popescu: it could also simply be "we have to start somewhere"
asciilifeform: everything starts somewhere. but as observer i am more interested in whether it has wheels to begin with.
asciilifeform: and 'modest' folk in ~no cases do.
mircea_popescu: "a modest proposal" had plenty of wheel ?
asciilifeform: sure.
asciilifeform: i was referring to the 'we are small and weak and please don't rape us gnomecoin folk' types.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm sure there were people in america who believed the spanish showing up to be a good thing.
mircea_popescu: people have this capacity to imagine what's going on in their head is most important, and everything happening outside a sort of minor companion point.
mircea_popescu: hence all the vomit about imaginary links between "cypherpunks" and bitcoin. and so on.
mircea_popescu: if it weren't for trilema, people'd still derp about how bitcoin is here to save the geeks and the poor.
asciilifeform: not wholly imaginary link, each was respectively filled up with idlers who played pretend
mircea_popescu: and finance sprawling suspended gardens of the future where ecofeminist tribes will raise the blabla.
asciilifeform: in very similar ways.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: and then they want to legalize pot. worst fucking idea.
asciilifeform: how do you figure ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i know of no better heuristic for "idler"
asciilifeform: seems to go pretty well with the 'dope'em up to reduce barn repair cost' program
mircea_popescu: myeah, in that sense i guess.
asciilifeform: observe how nobody's about to legalize the performance dopes. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there also isn't such a thing.
asciilifeform not mega-expert on dopes but is aware that certain types bring about excitability and amplify existing inclinations; others - torpor, lethargy, and a sort of living death
asciilifeform: see thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-25#808005 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
mircea_popescu: let's put it this way : the most stimulants can do for you is stimulate ; but on the long term they still debalance.
asciilifeform: we had this thread also.
asciilifeform: elementarily true.
mircea_popescu: and the principal problem of exceptional people is that they have trouble keeping balance.
mircea_popescu: not that they're not getting enough done in 5 minutes.
asciilifeform: as a kind of dope user (of caffeine) i will put it differently
asciilifeform: it isn't the 5 minutes, but 'how far you can push the tachometer arrow in the absolute'
asciilifeform: that matters to breaking through a problem.
asciilifeform brb doping
mircea_popescu: there's much better solutions to this problem.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oh?
asciilifeform: what might those be ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'be born more energetic' ? mega-solution.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov i recently dug up your oldie, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000186.html , and had a thought: did we ever investigate why, e.g., 0.8+, doesn't leak ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-01#1258074 << every six month hard fork killed monero iirc ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-09-01 03:19 mircea_popescu: and i'm like..... mmmkay nevermind.
asciilifeform: in other non-nyooz,
asciilifeform: 'Central to Mead's rescue project are a series of discoveries inconsistent with the prevailing conceptions of quantum mechanics. One was the laser. As late as 1956, Bohr and Von Neumann, the paragons of quantum theory, arrived at the Columbia laboratories of Charles Townes, who was in the process of describing his invention. With the transistor, the laser is one of the most important inventions of the twentieth century. Designed into
asciilifeform: every CD player and long distance telephone connection, lasers today are manufactured by the billions. At the heart of laser action is perfect alignment of the crests and troughs of myriad waves of light. Their location and momentum must be theoretically knowable. But this violates the holiest canon of Copenhagen theory: Heisenberg Uncertainty. Bohr and Von Neumann proved to be true believers in Heisenberg's rule. Both denied that t
asciilifeform: he laser was possible. When Townes showed them one in operation, they retreated artfully.'
asciilifeform: i wonder how many people understand what a BLIGHT niels bohr was on his field.
asciilifeform: for GENERATIONS.
asciilifeform: (quoted from book review of carver mead's 'collective electrodynamics')
asciilifeform: (mead - inventor of GaAs FET and buncha other useful things)
jurov: asciilifeform: afaik no 0.8 investigation.
jurov: and does it really leak less?
asciilifeform: jurov: yes.
asciilifeform: jurov: i have had for many years a box running said item, and it has never oom'd.
jurov: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/taler/2016-06/msg00014.html
jurov: GNU Taler 0.0.0
asciilifeform: 'We are building an anonymous, taxable payment system using modern cryptography. Customers will use traditional money transfers to send money to a digital Exchange and in return receive (anonymized) digital cash. Customers can use this digital cash to anonymously pay Merchants. Merchants can redeem the digital cash for traditional money at the digital Exchange. As Merchants are not anonymous, they can be taxed, enabling income or sal ☟︎
asciilifeform: es taxes to be withheld by the state while providing anonymity for Customers.'
asciilifeform: enough said ?
asciilifeform: srsly the sheer lunacy baked into presuming that anyone needs or wants anything of the kind.
asciilifeform: in more interesting nyooz, the tel aviv tempest folks are at it again, http://m.cacm.acm.org/magazines/2016/6/202646-physical-key-extraction-attacks-on-pcs/fulltext ☟︎
asciilifeform: ^ extraction of gpg privkey via ~hour of microphone.
ben_vulpes: " The Runabout uses reflection to find visit methods. But instead of invoking the visit methods with reflection, the Runabout uses dynamic code generation to create code at run-time that will invoke the appropriate visit method." grothoff is just full of good ideas
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what's this
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477259 << the node links all 404 << ah, thanks forgot that i changed the file name ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 05:39 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ << files here are being updated four times per hour.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: some java codegen thinger the taler guy wrote a while ago
ben_vulpes: "or from 30cm away through a plain mobile phone placed next to the computer" ahaha airgap amirite
asciilifeform: 30cm of air. desk, floor, etc. conduct pretty well.
asciilifeform: you can also get spectacular results with multiple microphones.
ben_vulpes: still gotta trick me into decrypting your payloads
asciilifeform: well, sure, victim has to unsheath his keyz
asciilifeform: jurov, ben_vulpes, et al : old thread : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-12#1271350 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-09-12 17:11 asciilifeform: in other news, http://taler.net << the usg-approved, built-in-tax-collector-and-stoolie altcoin is finally rolled out.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-12#1271361 << etc. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-09-12 17:13 asciilifeform: 'Unlike BitCoin or cash payments, Taler ensures that governments can easily track their citizen's income and thus collect sales, value-added or income taxes. Taler is thus a currency for the mainstream economy, and not the black market.'
mod6: ok updated and fixed, thanks asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: moar lulz from thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-12#1271821 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-09-12 21:47 mircea_popescu: http://grothoff.org/christian/grothoff.jpg << this fellow specifically.
ben_vulpes: yeah, i recall
ben_vulpes: meanwhile france is usg because if yer not with us yer against us (tm) (r) ?
asciilifeform: which france ?
asciilifeform: and yes, who is not with us - is either against us, or furniture. this is elementary.
asciilifeform bbl - meat.
shinohai: http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/5/11861924/jacob-appelbaum-sexual-mistreatment-assault-allegations ☟︎
mircea_popescu: who's that again ?
shinohai: One of the tor project developers.
shinohai: Think he wrote some Snowden articles or somesuch iirc
mircea_popescu: aok
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477534 << lel and the moron thought he'd actually collect his reward (what?) for faithfully fellating usg, censoring the docs ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 19:08 shinohai: http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/5/11861924/jacob-appelbaum-sexual-mistreatment-assault-allegations
BingoBoingo: Aha, useful patsy must hang too when milked of useful
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mircea_popescu: $key vtheimpaler
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/300a6b9d-9017-4637-a1d0-c9732ac6a088/
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oglafbot: 'nick BingoBoingo
deedbot: [Qntra] Egyptian Dentist Arrested For Having Money - http://qntra.net/2016/06/egyptian-dentist-arrested-for-having-money/
mircea_popescu: lol!
mircea_popescu: that article is jus' perfect lol
BingoBoingo: ty
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell asciilifeform Story qntra'd
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477486 << you just calm the fuck down and load the problem in head. if it's an actual blocking thing you just naturally stop sleeping until it's resolved ; if not, head goes on into a sub thinking about it ; which will eventually return with the results. this is how most trilema articles are written. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 15:58 asciilifeform: what might those be ?
deedbot: [Trilema] Aveam niste case... - http://trilema.com/2016/aveam-niste-case/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477510 << still depends on chosen ciphertexts. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 17:10 asciilifeform: in more interesting nyooz, the tel aviv tempest folks are at it again, http://m.cacm.acm.org/magazines/2016/6/202646-physical-key-extraction-attacks-on-pcs/fulltext
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477560 << and if the problem is 5-10% too big for your head? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 21:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477486 << you just calm the fuck down and load the problem in head. if it's an actual blocking thing you just naturally stop sleeping until it's resolved ; if not, head goes on into a sub thinking about it ; which will eventually return with the results. this is how most trilema articles are written.
asciilifeform: perhaps mircea_popescu doesn't deal in such.
asciilifeform: but i do.
asciilifeform: every day.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477563 << merely ~known~ ciphertexts also work. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 22:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477510 << still depends on chosen ciphertexts.
asciilifeform bbl, phood
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing ; my head acordions.
mircea_popescu: and "known" is not much of a merely.