esthlos: trinque asciilifeform phf etc: what's the best way to deal with sbcl's package lock error when redefining run-program? my naive approach was to define a new package for the vtron. But I'm pounding my head against use-package anyway
esthlos:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-08#1811127 << ben_vulpes: can you elaborate on what you envision here? for instance, I could build up and tear down keyring on every press, which seems only way to be stateless with gnupg. how does that sound?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 15:34 ben_vulpes: use a tempdir for gnupg's keyring; thing must be stateless.
esthlos: I have it locally, compared parts of it after writing my implementation
mod6: i agree, read alf's.
esthlos: not to make excuses: makes sense to read it
trinque: esthlos: I don't think anyone demands you use precisely that name, if doing so results in more needless complexity than just picking another.
ben_vulpes: esthlos: yeah, that's what i did and i think asciilifeform as well
ben_vulpes: i think mod6's worked that way eventually too
ben_vulpes: esthlos: i made a gensym dir in /tmp, passed that to gpg for the workdir, and then various operations take a teardown key, defaulting to true which could be overriden to inspect keyring state should the operator so desire
ben_vulpes: vpatch is 300 lines including examples
mircea_popescu: you know it took like 30 woman-hours, this thing ? not even counting my time.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-09 19:21 asciilifeform: hey mircea_popescu ( or anybody else ) do you happen to have a script handy for mass submission of links to archive.is ?
mod6: nice post mircea_popescu!
mod6: they go cascading from left to right, looks ok but when you get down to 'jgabrielygalan' there is a funny looking wrap where 'key: 1' is left most justified.
mod6: but seems to be pretty good anyway
mod6: (might just be my screen or whatever)
mod6: lmao 'thigh and pelvis arch'
mod6: oh yah, there you go
mircea_popescu: curious which of the luminaries of pantsuit technologees gets pwnd first.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, here's a suspicious : so many of these tards have known factors like 2, 3, 5 -- showing there was ~no primality test involved. isn't it bizarre we don't see other factors then, say 111 ?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: howdja determine "some access to private repos"?
mircea_popescu: (they leak it somewhere, but dun reclal right off where)
ben_vulpes: > especially the varieties you can afford << har har har
ben_vulpes: are ukeleles the instrument for people both too poor for a piano and lazy to learn guitar?
mod6: Software Engineer at The Nerdery, Minneapolis, MN << leeel
ben_vulpes: there is, or was i don't really care to look, something named like that in portland too: "The Open Sourcery"
ben_vulpes: 'please never give us money or trust us with anything'
ben_vulpes: solid haul asciilifeform mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: its funny too, wp counts 3k words, but it's like 85kb. LONG WORDS
lobbes: jesus, nice sifting mircea_popescu
lobbes: and great win for phuctor overall
lobbes: side note, that mass-submit archiver.is script puts mine to shame. You were able to get around the damn cloudshit with that?
lobbes: yeah sorry, I'm sleep deprived. I remembered I only need the phantom js shit for the -download- portion, not submit
lobbes: oh yeah, I've had the automated downloading thing going for months
mircea_popescu: but i mean... for what part ? plain curl will fetch the page.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 04:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, also webnitpick. see eg in
https://archive.is/AvNme how the table cuts off the field ? is there some way to flow it instead ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 04:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, here's a suspicious : so many of these tards have known factors like 2, 3, 5 -- showing there was ~no primality test involved. isn't it bizarre we don't see other factors then, say 111 ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it seems to me the factors ~aren;t~ normally distributed.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ie, not ~exactly~ "picked a random number, tested for no primalities". but biased source.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: aye, but try that out for yerself; comes back as 0 bytes
lobbes: hence, needing the hack around the cloudshit
lobbes: crude hack, but worx for now.
mircea_popescu: jesus look at that, redirects to .today, which is fakeproxied by cloudflare and attempts to force javascript being active.
lobbes: yup. was a bitch to get around
lobbes sacrificed an old lappy as the proverbial 'public toilet'; loaded to the hilt with js-crapolade
lobbes: But, once I learn to properly represent www as ASTs we can have the beginnings of a proper republican archive
lobbes: hell, the rockchip may even suffice for a prototype if anything
mircea_popescu: i suppose in the end that's what phantom.js is doing anywya.
ave1: And unhappening, I cannot find the broken keys on github... (Also bitbucket ssh-key api gives errors)
mircea_popescu: ave1, if you feel like taking a break from diddling ada, feel free to walk the github/bitbucket/we db. spit out keys in the republican format (
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469647 ). it'll take a day or two to put in, and the chances of the new set being devoid of lulz are ~0.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-20 17:48 jurov: it's CSV e,N, comment
ave1: I can bash script. But I've never scraped in any real volume. So if anybody has hints to servers that can be used for this...
a111: Logged on 2018-05-10 18:40 mircea_popescu: meanwhile lulzdraft upgraded with a "i think i know his mom", also. ima go have lunch, this is a monster.
spyked: (ftr, /me has read some of dood's work, he seems well-regarded by ro math/logic ppl; unfortunately too ensconced in grantola, sorta the bernstein type I guess)
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, phuctor acts as a de facto ssh to gpg bridge now, can download the gpg style keys.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, btw, can the form accept ssh format besides gpg format ?
☟︎ diana_coman: so much weird in that set re key generation; many seem to have e=35 which sounds like one step further from "we like 37" (so why not 35, it's a number just as good as 37!)
diana_coman: (in case anyone wonders: ref there is to google cloud's "/* we like this prime */" )
ave1: I have a key with e==35! This one was generated 9 years ago on a redhat linux of that period.
☟︎☟︎ spyked: heh. same here, genned on african linux cca 2011.
spyked: or was it 2008. I dun remember exactly.
BingoBoingo: Holy shit, I wake up with FAR less crackling in my lungs AND a milestone on the path to reddit bags for the reading!
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 08:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, btw, can the form accept ssh format besides gpg format ?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-20 18:00 asciilifeform: try to understand how special cases make complexity of a proggy explode.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 09:42 ave1: I have a key with e==35! This one was generated 9 years ago on a redhat linux of that period.
lobbesbot: spyked: Sent 47 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> this script takes the format used in jurov's 'phathub' 2016 collection, and produces set of phuctor-compatible keys. do not forget to specify 'legend', the user string, to identify precisely what the key is, otherwise it will remain a mystery forever to reader
spyked: asciilifeform, what do you mean by user set?
spyked: ah, I didn't think that far yet. I wanna submit some of the ssh keys I have lying around (or see if they were previously submitted).
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, for a while 35 was actually the default exponent in the circus circle.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 09:42 ave1: I have a key with e==35! This one was generated 9 years ago on a redhat linux of that period.
mircea_popescu: btw hanbot, i noticed last night the dogs were lying awake.
mircea_popescu: i suspect they were wondering whether there's a dylsexic agnostic insomniac.
mircea_popescu: "the RSA supercollider and numerical observatory" << ahahaha i like this. a numerical observatory.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 13:43 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812141 << phuctor was written very tightly around indexing pgp keys, and demands that all keys be indexable in the same ways ( by e.g. gpg-compat fingerprint ) . additionally , it demands that all keys have a human-readable legend, and ssh key format does not give any field for such.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 13:44 asciilifeform: additionally, the difficulty of keying in random garbage and having it show up as 'key', has worked to date as primitive, yet 100% effective, spam control.
mircea_popescu: as you know, plenty of them have, as proven by recent publishments.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 13:46 asciilifeform: nao ! at some point i'ma rewrite it. again. and build it around 'naked' rsa moduli, and with variant types of indices, etc. but i have nfi when i will get a chance to do this.
mircea_popescu: yes, but even if you were to, the argument is cogent, "lowering the bar to spamming results in exponential spam volumes"
mircea_popescu: ~possibly~ the solution is to take gpg-only submissions via webform and any-key submissions via an eventual #trilema bot.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that's exactly the idea, the herd won't bother until you reach the precise epsilon.
mircea_popescu: but it goes to show what seems to me actually an intrinsic failure of the ssh key format : the fact that it isn't self-signed (rather more generally, the fact that it "segwits" the metadata, having the whole authority mechanism separated from the actual key [and generally implemented as "this key has authority because $user emailed it to me"]) makes it very vulnerable to any failure outside of itself, and impossible to evalua
mircea_popescu: so at the same time people want to see whether "their" ssh key is fucking them like historically they have ; but we can't distinguish "their" key from garbage.
mircea_popescu: my only concern here is whether this actually invalidates the e, N, comment republican format, as a rsa key format.
mircea_popescu: i'd like to review this, i've been thinking about this nonsense ever since you started making noises about the ssh set.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 20:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no selfsig.
mircea_popescu: the excitement of "let's see if we said something stupid two years ago that informed policy for the interval and now we're biting it" in the morning...
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 21:10 mircea_popescu: as it's not acctually correctly designed it 1) creates false sense of security ; 2) creates unnecessary byzantinism and "can't pop the hood on this"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, indeed. i tell you, i don't see it. the arguments from 2016 prevail, making the ssh-style correct imo.
mircea_popescu: what gpg tried to do is somehow kludge a whole working republic into their early prototype key "ecosystem". it didn't work in practice, but that aside, it's not actually useful.
mircea_popescu: it just creates a pile of counterproductive complexity.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 21:03 mircea_popescu: it's not "the sks server" that is retarded. is the concept of machine-spread rsa key that's retarded ; much in the way of "machine-generated trust", be it embodied in "dao" or "colored coins" or "safe bitbet"
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 05:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it seems to me the factors ~aren;t~ normally distributed.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 21:03 mircea_popescu: it's not "the sks server" that is retarded. is the concept of machine-spread rsa key that's retarded ; much in the way of "machine-generated trust", be it embodied in "dao" or "colored coins" or "safe bitbet"
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 15:49 mircea_popescu: ~possibly~ the solution is to take gpg-only submissions via webform and any-key submissions via an eventual #trilema bot.
mircea_popescu: basically, exactly like you say, we have a personhood mechanism, it'll have to be used. can't sit down and "make a mechanical friend JUST FOR THIS ONE CASE"
mircea_popescu: the impossibility of mechanical friendship isn't case by case, it's a fundamental problem.
mircea_popescu: well, this is then what even gets one out of bed in the morning : the hope shining through the dread, that even should something from years ago have to be reviewed on grounds of suspected stupidity, there's a shot it may turn out to have actually been quite correct.
mircea_popescu: same people who get "excited" about "paying with credit cards". "it's so much easier!!!". and these days "near field" or w/e they're doing.
mircea_popescu: it's universally the case. the only reason it's not obvious in the us is that everyone there is poor, nobody has anyt money.
mircea_popescu: twas not my experience, but then again it's been what, 15 years.
mircea_popescu: to think, my impression then was, "pity it all went to shit".
mircea_popescu: so what, buildng a great country of 90% dormitories and 10% "1, mccain memorial law enforcement monumental avenue" cubical concrete abominations ?
ben_vulpes: dude just the chip and pin crap is intolerably slow.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> funnily enuff i got stuck behind one of these in a little shop in BingoBoingostan : the lulz was in that the modem in the register was slow enuff that cc folx were ~slower~ than ones paying with ordinary money << Serious quality of life issue here. The awful part is the locals CAN'T learn to use the pin pads and have to try 3+ times
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, money is way faster than the cards, though.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 15:42 mircea_popescu: "the RSA supercollider and numerical observatory" << ahahaha i like this. a numerical observatory.
mircea_popescu: in strict, physical terms. i can peel a coupla bills off the roll way before anyone can a) take the card b) orient it to machine slit ; c) slide it through ; d) wait for data to run back and forth to visa servers (include here the pro-rated delay of "servers down" shenanigans) ; e) get me to "sign" like 1100 period barbarians the f) slip of paper it printed and spit out etc.
☟︎ mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-11 16:06 asciilifeform: cardboard dormitories.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, my place in tm, had double layered brick walls, proper style. by the time the outside of the inner wall warmed up the sun was setting.
mircea_popescu: a forgotten art, this, to match heating speed of materials with day length.
danielpbarron: Victims include developers at big companies such as Microsoft, Facebook, Eventbrite, and a bunch of Neet employees (probably used the same weak tool) << Guy thinks "neet" is a company?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, discussion in harem, "isn't that too much linking on the neet explanation ?" "you'll see".
mircea_popescu: these people went to school, beating them over the head repeatedly with any reference is just table stakes, says nothing about eventual outcomes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, odds are, antiques. exp was 3 on "cheap" systems throughout the 90s.
mircea_popescu: christ on a cracker, the e=3 n=4096 bit key. who makes such things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, check me out, i made it, security researcher now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, how was this in sovrussian, "trained in the workplace" ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: this one is nominally double-walled; haven't cut through it...yet.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, old friend showed me some wonders... they have cheap enough US machines to use for building valuations now.
mircea_popescu: ridoinculous beeping doohickey, too. i was like "so... is it a boy ?"
ben_vulpes: interesting; i've got to install a hood in the kitchen; so will learn the truth without any electronics.
ben_vulpes: (how the kitchen came to be without a hood is a mystery i do not think i shall ever understand, given that the dood ran cat5 and coax to every room. what, no women cooking in his life or something?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it does two things. one is that it can mostly distinguish concrete from brick from wood and so on, it has the patterns of specific materials. the other is that it can evaluate "decay", in the sense of how uniform or nonuniform the wall is. so once it decided it's wood it can tell you ~how old ; and if concrete ~how fractured so on.
mircea_popescu: ample potential for hilarious misreads, which is why it's not dispensed with the human operator yet. but way the fuck faster and cheaper than proof hole drilling.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'll do you one just a hair more ridiculous: this place has a whole-house evacuator that "well you can just run the whole-house fan when you're cooking!"
ben_vulpes: motherfucker because i want to dump my entire heated air mass every time the girl fries something
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this was ultrasound, but same principle.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 00:28 asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe.
ben_vulpes: anyone have a grahamnews account? submit the phuctoring?
mircea_popescu: let the aspirants to relevancy work for their aspirations.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, odds are very much no women cooking in his life. it is universally my experience esl girls do not even conceptuialize such a miracle as "make your own food" is possible.
mircea_popescu: i mean, that nut with the "mac on cheese on pizza awesum!" is actually adventurous and far sighted with reference to her peer group. sad as that may sound.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sure, dood is like sixty five tho.
mircea_popescu: not that slow either. the mentally livelier ones REALLY get motivated by the "make something with own hands" cheap and early successes.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, for the record, if your place needs evacuation every time girl fries something you might consider a) getting better oil and b) not smoking the shit out of it.
mircea_popescu: i must say im really impressed with phuctor 3.0 webatron. sensibly more responsive than prev.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nono, i exaggerate, grossly. that said, i haven't figured out how to bake a chicken without a cloud of chicken-scent emerging and permeating the domus on every basting.
mircea_popescu: well... the way they do it here is that you take it out to the "rancho" (basically, concrete poles with a roof) and charcoal it there.
ben_vulpes has been drawing up plans for a permanent gas/charcoal combo griller
mircea_popescu: the very relaxed attitude to fire among these people is a joy to behold. a) anyone can start a lawn fire at any time they feel like, and there's daily sirens from firetrucks rushing to reign in the more successful attempts.
mircea_popescu: b) go to the beach, want to start a fire ? by all means. wanna make a fire in your yard ? yes please. is there a fire going ? cool!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: place gets enough rain that the whole thing is unlikely to go up at once right?
ben_vulpes: wildfires at all? suffers from the northwestern us problem of excess tinder buildup at all?
mircea_popescu: however a) they build out of steel beams and brick and b) they're built out of solid "don't give a fuck". so...
trinque had a nice outing with the girl once, drove 4runner out onto the beach, fucked the night away, cooked breakfast in a fire-pit we made
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, suffers from it moderately. there's occasional wildfire, but nothing like california.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sounds like they let it burn off, which'd keep it moderate. the problem usgderps suffer from is *not* letting it burn.
mircea_popescu: charcoal sack is now a mandatory car trunk item. at the rate i'm going i might actually next buy a truck.
ben_vulpes pictures mircea_popescu and crew in a unimog
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, also not the same flora here. the wood is about half-value if i had to guess, caloric-wise.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: don't get high sided my man
mircea_popescu: (the bottle of venezuelan rum, btw, has been a standard mandatory for the car for a year now)
mircea_popescu: "do you drink and drive ?" "yes. i drink -- she drives."
ben_vulpes: poor asciilifeform, one begins to understand his resentment of the "bars with acres of parking"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ahahaha, is that a locomotive temple to my penis ?
mircea_popescu: "it will ruin your shit. literally, by which i mean anally."
mircea_popescu: "you know how after you're constipated for like the rest of the day ? shit has been ruined!"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, anyway, yeah, the "wood"... i mean they have all these overgrown grasses which to ~them~ appear woody, but taking an axe to a palm is not so unlike taking down a movie set in anger.
mircea_popescu: you can hold without effort humongous looking clubs, too, it's practically speaking made of packing peanuts.
mircea_popescu: also very large cacti count as "wooden" in this sense. but i mean gimme a break, yes wood is supposed to float, but not in acetone ffs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, wait, so they claim they PURGED the debian keys ? in 2015 ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 17:05 asciilifeform: kamaz. ( to be fair, they make a buncha different ones )
ben_vulpes: heh heh heh nothing like seeing five tons on 1.25 wheels
ben_vulpes: take me out to the deeesert/romp around on the flaaaats/burning oil and lighting off guns/fuck all the liberals i'm gonna have fun/cause it's root root root for the germans/if the diesels get neutered it's a shaaaaaame/cause it's one! two! three! strikes you're out in the us! penitentiary! game!
phf: ben_vulpes: i'd say 1/3 of image search results is with that thing airborne
ben_vulpes: comic juxtaposition of large mass bouncing gaily around at speed
phf: yeah, dakar rally for trucks is a european take on monster truck rally thing, not as larger than life over the top, but taps the same kind of feelings
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, and this is different from the bitcoin dot com scheme how ?
☟︎ deedbot: phatcat voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: What is Africa but a European playground where the toys took over the playing?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 19:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, and this is different from the bitcoin dot com scheme how ?
hanbot: hey danielpbarron (or any other mp-wp users with 'classic' theme goin'), assuming you're using mp's antispam, wouldja mind pasting your themes/classic/comments.php for me so i can see how you're handling the $suffix? differs from the 'default' i'm using, but i'd like to include a fix for it in a comments patch.
mircea_popescu: ie, "all these naked chicks can't even figure out where the praying beads are"
hanbot:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812288 << yeah, YOU can. way before pretty much anyone else, and certainly way the fuck before the masses can a) be told that yes, in fact, the act of purchasing something involves them paying! b) thereby realize they will have to retrieve monies c) emit a mournful moo d) reach into bottomless purse/euromanpurse/dip hoof into each of eleventeen pockets e) find a button! f) remember that bunion/ill aunt/weather s
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 16:25 mircea_popescu: in strict, physical terms. i can peel a coupla bills off the roll way before anyone can a) take the card b) orient it to machine slit ; c) slide it through ; d) wait for data to run back and forth to visa servers (include here the pro-rated delay of "servers down" shenanigans) ; e) get me to "sign" like 1100 period barbarians the f) slip of paper it printed and spit out etc.
hanbot: ystem they were going to tell the cashier about....
mircea_popescu: let them be nude and happy outdoors, chained to the respective chainposts.
lobbes: Few weeks ago I was trying to buy a power supply cable and didn't want to wait for lulazon to ship. Tried half-dozen local shops, both "big box retailers" and "mom n pop computer stores"; -none- had any in stock >>
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812272 ☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 16:16 asciilifeform: physical shops selling nonperishables , are visibly dying off, nuked by lulazon
trinque: no microcenter or fry's in lobbestan?
lobbes: Looks like there's a fry's in Raleigh, roughly three hours from me o.0
lobbes: "Charlotte's got a lot" my foot
mircea_popescu: heh. it occurs to me i've not lived in a city smaller than 1mn in YEARS
mircea_popescu: civilisation just isn't what it used to be, 1mn lazy asses don't sum >0.
lobbes: I will say, I've lived in New England, Ohio, and now here. And, believe it or not, imo the people of Ohio trump the usefulness of people here by a large margin
lobbes: But teh weather here is so much better, so I can't complain too much I guess
lobbes: Hey, at least there is that!
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't come out of plastic and it doesn't go on pizza, it's not interesting.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, incidentally, i've noticed the people's subjective reported dissatisfaction is one of the best proxies for local suckitude. ~100% of romanians agreed that romania sucks, 1988, and as a result romania went from ~gabon to ~austria in 30 years. meanwhile columbia people agreed with themselves "they love their country", and columbia went from columbia to columbia in the interval. nicaragua idem.
mircea_popescu: and argentina, or the us, full to the brim of imbeciles thinking "the whole world is in awe of our example", went from top 5 to worst decile in the same interval.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall EVER hearing "carolina is the suck" in local drawl ; but people from ohio will literally ask you "what, and you came here ?!" as if they can't conceive anyone who isn't born there being found there even momentarily.
☟︎ lobbesbot: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
lobbes: This was precisely my experience. I remember thinking how *refreshing* it was to come out of the heart of pantsuitlandia (taxachusetts) where everyone was up their own ass in "we are so progressive and enlightened.", to ohio where everyone was "yeah... we pretty much suck. Sorry you have to be here" >>
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812483 ☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 20:33 mircea_popescu: i dun recall EVER hearing "carolina is the suck" in local drawl ; but people from ohio will literally ask you "what, and you came here ?!" as if they can't conceive anyone who isn't born there being found there even momentarily.
lobbes: There's something to this "locals blinded by pretense fall into uselessness" heuristic, I think
ben_vulpes: us, apparently, is many different countries smooshed into one.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i somehow get 'em to leave the register and check inventory manually
ben_vulpes: be damned if i'm going to drive around all day on the offchance they have a thing
ben_vulpes: sure; i recently got 2 pair of tall jackstands, delivered to house, for ~.6 the cost of item at store which was even shorter
lobbes: It took some explaining to Best Buy lady on the phone that I a) was not looking for laptop power cord and b) I didn't need the whole power supply, just the cord
ben_vulpes: last time i could be assured of walking out the door and getting a tool (not part!) that i needed was in nyc
lobbes: To finally get answer: "we dun sell just cords"
ben_vulpes: lobbes: especially the bigbox(tm) stores, they don't sell anything nonstandard.
ben_vulpes: "who would ever buy one of those without the power supply for the snowflake laptop?"
ben_vulpes: it's an industrial item, not consumer.
ben_vulpes: and unless you're an industrial large enough to warrant snapon deliveries weekly, you better be stocked preemptively.
ben_vulpes: no money in selling parts/strange to the herd.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 20:54 ben_vulpes: us, apparently, is many different countries smooshed into one.
ben_vulpes: they get completely mass produced healthcare/parts/food/'mobile experiences' and fuck'em.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 21:01 ben_vulpes: they get completely mass produced healthcare/parts/food/'mobile experiences' and fuck'em.
mircea_popescu: "engineered the total immersive soviet citizen experience"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, next this happens, invite them here lol.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: different mechanism: here everyone "making apps", slicing open appendices are ~exactly the same in the head, so everything they produce converges to ~the same thing
ben_vulpes: grand network of corporations and wall street will ensure that americans are "stepped down gently" a la the photosynthesis process, with maximum $anything extracted over the long term
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hard to tell, never got to experience su glory days
mircea_popescu: they seem indistinguishable to me, "marxism-leninism" or "awareness, eco-friendliness, blabla" serving as a specific sort of distance-only schelling points -- ie they only work at a distance.
mircea_popescu: $agent could answer yes/no whether $measure is leninist or bourgeois, appropriate or racisthateful, but only for the least interesting classes of $measures.
mircea_popescu: and couldn't read, count, etc. just, the mass of them wasn't anywhere any precious sankt petersburg windowsill flowers ever met.
ben_vulpes: perhaps i misconcieve of the industrial processes, and could benefit from experience, but i labor under the apprehension that there was "teh one su car, designed by su factory" whereas american product is "ten stanford cucks who think the exact same way writing the exact same banking app that chase will release as a feature in two years, written by their peers who took salaries instead of grahams
mircea_popescu: the soviets of russia, much like the soviets of america, very insistently alfabetized the herd ; but lacked the electronic means to plug them in, all they had was electric. and as a result, "people's radio theatre"
ben_vulpes: designed by su department of designing The Right Car, i mean
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, not really ; in the early gosplan days they even had competition, as alf aptly pointed out during some previous discussion.
mircea_popescu: the most visible standardization (the hruscheba) is actually also the most defensible behaviour in economic terms (and not so different from us response to same problem). prefab was the way post ww2.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, people read in united soviets also, you should see the trainfulls of people with crappy pulp in hand.
ben_vulpes: kindle fulla fifty shades of the same smut
mircea_popescu: i don't think there was ever a system "dedicated to man" that managed to get man to think, though. man will not think, would rather take rape than math questions.
mircea_popescu: and what was the whole "worker class" and aparatchick class but illiterates strutting ?
mircea_popescu: the fundamental pretense of the ~soviet~, in the original sense of the term, is that a group of imbeciles can nevertheless make decisions on the basis of their misapprehension of the environment.
mircea_popescu: so the soldier's soviet will decide which way to charge this evening.
mircea_popescu: this is entirely not different from both "i know obscenity when i see it" and "hi i named rajshit from injun and can moderate your tube sir!"
mircea_popescu: they'd have stuck to it if it even vaguely promised to not entirely kill them. because, substantially, that's what the socialism was always about -- the pretense that the whore decides when and how the soldier fucks her.
mircea_popescu: i guess. though i suspect it's a sad life to play the transvestite as only avenue to getting laid.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 16:11 asciilifeform: kurchatov, supposedly, sat and thought, and few minutes later answered, 'perhaps from philosophical pov this'd be consistent. but then we will have to forget about obtaining the bomb.'
mircea_popescu: this no-left-in-socialism point is particularly visible if you look at the case of the republica "socialista" romania. from the 60s onwards it was run VERY MUCH on capitalist basis, accumulating wealth, if undistributed, and ekeing itself a tiny colonial empire in the arab lands etc.
mircea_popescu: the signs are everywhere, you go to colombia, look through the paperwork of the embassy, it strikes. it's quite universal.
mircea_popescu: but this is a little like saying "kid pretending to be holding breath is lying". duh. how the fuck is socialism, or however you call the attempt to embody idiocy, supposed to survive in the strictly non-socialist reality ?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I do remember that glorious rooftop surgery. With birds that could be heard by not seen
BingoBoingo: This hanno guy: "this guy has made similar claims in the past and they were always wrong. if you want my advice: don't trust this unless someone has independently checked it."
a111: Logged on 2018-05-11 21:31 mircea_popescu: but this is a little like saying "kid pretending to be holding breath is lying". duh. how the fuck is socialism, or however you call the attempt to embody idiocy, supposed to survive in the strictly non-socialist reality ?
mircea_popescu: sure, but one would propose howsoever flavoured cyanide is nevertheless cyanide, and similarily penicillin, and etcetera. scarcely can see the point of even discussing the flavouring.
mircea_popescu: whether cyanide-however flavoured or penicillin-however flavoured or etcetera.
mircea_popescu: hey, my recipe for apricot jam has half a dozen cracked seeds in there per jar.
mircea_popescu: the rubble is on the wrong side for the implicit direction of the blast by what's left standing.
trinque: sure, biggest one ever built, right?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, if it were that close the concrete wouldn't be standing at all, though.
mircea_popescu: for the pattern there seen to exist, based on the tech of the time, it must be windblown, naught else.
mircea_popescu: sure. but, were it that close, it would not have kept its fucking roof.