zineKing: mircea_popescu: so, real talk, do you actually believe bitcoin specifically will be the number one choice of cryptocurrency worldwide? this recent spike in price saw smaller payments made virtually impossible due to high fees
zineKing: which crypto do you think will be the defacto, go-to coin for world wide affairs?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is inescapably and permanently the definitive word on linguistic order, which includes all monetary considerations as a minor point.
zineKing: I am assuming, correctly or not, that at least one crypto will take the place as a world currency sooner or later, wrong or not
zineKing: okay, let me rephrase my question
zineKing: so, real talk, do you actually believe xbt specifically will be the number one choice of cryptocurrency worldwide? this recent spike in price saw smaller payments made virtually impossible due to high fees
mircea_popescu: if you keep reading you will discover trilema is principally a repository of answers to questions the random idiots of "mainstream" pretend to have discovered years later and "resolve" in their usual manner.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 16:48 mircea_popescu: well, reading through what ? #trilema is the forum of the most serene republic, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the dissolution of all fiat sovereigns and the permanent barring of such nonsense in the future.
zineKing: I bought in at 2011, I still see xbt specifically as a currenct that is just not feasible to be rolled out globally, due to the excruciatingly slow speed and the high fees.
mircea_popescu: well what you see things as is entirely your priviledge no ?
mircea_popescu: you can see microscope as hammer, as long as you own it.
mircea_popescu: there's that guy that saw ipad as cutting board, his fucking ipad, can do as he please.
zineKing: don't get me wrong, I'm totally onboard with the plan. But in order for a crypto to be accepted by the masses it has to be a better alternative, more efficient, than what people currently use. to me, the closest thing right now is probably ETH
mircea_popescu: in order for a round earth spinning around the sun to be "accepted by the masses" exactly nothing has to happen.
zineKing: Except it does, because you're talking about markets -- social constructs, made by humans
mircea_popescu: the point is bitcoin permits me to rape eth, and turn mit into a sort of ransom faucet. this doesn't go away by speaking.
mod6: anyone ever see that movie 'pi' ?
deedbot: zineKing voiced for 30 minutes.
hanbot: mod6 that was my favorite film when i was 16 or so. i tried to watch it again recently with mixed results. still love the soundtrack though.
mod6: i haven't seen it in ages. i feel like i should watch it again.
zineKing: mircea_popescu: you've intrigued me, I'll stick around for sure
mircea_popescu: soo apparently trilema includes review of requiem for a dfream, the wrestler and black swan, but NOT pi
mircea_popescu: it's the d aronofsky item from 1998 we're talking about yes ?
zineKing: deedbot> You are now voiced in #trilema
mircea_popescu: pretty much the same exact film, so much so i always suspected pi is a remake. hero is struggling with memory rather than insanity but otherwisw ~same sexuality, ~same magical jew, same quest for the ultimate meaning and so following.
mod6: ah, ok. thanks, will watch.
mod6: i just watched the 'pi' trailor. it indeed has been a while haha. ive got pi in the queue. might re-watch tonight yet.
mod6: alright, yeah, definiately different than i remembered it. i had completely blocked out or forgotten the jewish numerology part.
mod6: i still liked it tho. music was pretty good, brings me back. hehe
mod6: the dude's rig was very ~'11 bitcoin miner
mircea_popescu: "whereupon, with the pain that I can only compare to that of a forcibly extracted illusion, I discovered that the bearded essayist had done just what schoolchildren do the world over, namely, repeated Hegel's argument paraphrastically, just as if it had been the proof of a Euclidean theorem or the tale of a big bad wolf called Sein."
mircea_popescu: this fucktard has actually no idea what proof actually is.
mircea_popescu: "and while I considered myself no more competent to discuss Hegel's logic than Leibniz's mathematics, I failed to see why discussion of a subject like slavery by the former should be closed to literary intrusion when, in the case of the latter, such an intrusion had produced Candide." and there's the moneyshot.
mircea_popescu: from a link of yours to the urbit guy, quoting some w/e the fuck other dork like him.
BingoBoingo: ISP monthly statement will be published tomorrow following yet another rereading of the accounting standards, the lack of Qntra at the close of the year is a great disappointment.
BingoBoingo: In other news: breaking up is easy in a place where all the pretty girls smile at you.
BingoBoingo: Also the hostel staff have taken to recommending me as a tour guide/travel buddy to single brasileras traveling alone
BingoBoingo: And as the year closes out the problem of the chinches de cama appears to have been remedied through my secret campaign of chemical warfare
BingoBoingo: (Turns out ivermectin is not a guarenteed kill, but it usually paralyses them before they make it back to a hiding spot for easy disposal of the pests)
BingoBoingo: And on that note, I have a group to escort to the feria.
BingoBoingo: Oh, one last item of importance. After 3 weeks of eating real food, the smell of my farts started to change.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in imperial narratives, "Parker Lewis Retweeted Vitalik Buterin This about sums it up, @brian_armstrong retweeting @vitalikbuterin about how creating sound money (not controlled by government) is not a meaningful achievement for society, the first thing that finally caused me to tweet"
mircea_popescu: the "society" as a usg captive item, that thing ? the ghetto jewry of 2017, about to make pretty ash piles by 2040 ?
mircea_popescu: ircnet.org first page has nfi it should put server and port somewhere ;/
mircea_popescu: ii2.org is dead... hub.irc.at doesn't answer, vienna.irc.at actually drops connections "unauthorized"...
mircea_popescu: so far they end up with a "holy shit brains are broken"
mircea_popescu: this is what i introduce as "the mmorpg fallacy" to the slavegirls. it's true that in mmorpgs some obscure vilage in the fucking mountains has the BEST fucking weapons + plasma armor and whatnot while the imperial capital somehow makes do with cotton rags and sharpened sticks to kill the rats.
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER, this has no bearing on how things work irl. irl, bigger minefield, dumber villagers.
mircea_popescu: holy shit irc.belwue.de also drops conns as "unauthorized"
mircea_popescu: did anyone mention german folk are fucked in the head for reason of being born there yet ?
mircea_popescu: because srsly, it's better being born a nigger in alabama than being born a krautz in germany.
mircea_popescu: check it fucking out, irc.cs.hut.fi also drops conns. i'm starting to suspect this is the kiwi client rather than the servers. lessee here
mircea_popescu: (Closing Link: [unknown@b.clients.kiwiirc.com] (K-lined: BSP - Enable identd for access)) << now look into what that is lmao.
mircea_popescu: the guy you linked lives on an irc network that does the EXACT equivalent of "we dug up this OBSCURE, DECADES OLD "you must run this software to play WoW" sorta nonsense.
mircea_popescu: no, see, that was the original theory. but now the "mines" are specifically targetted to thinking people.
mircea_popescu: so it's not a minefield, it's a "must be this short to ride" thing
mircea_popescu: mno, it's not the equivalent of "to enter this door, you must solve this puzzle". it's the equivalent of "to enter this door, you must suck this cock". so it allows strictly the indiancandies
mircea_popescu: (who will just shuffle through "apps" on their "phone" until one "works")
mircea_popescu: right, because a guy who wrote something interesting in 2014 (free and unpaid for google's ezine he abandoned a year later) is spreading pearls of wisdom about there.
mircea_popescu: gimme a fucking break, freenode is >100k cucks logged in any one day and there's still 0 content anywhere.
mircea_popescu: well, im not going to read the rest of this, he can go fuck himself.
mircea_popescu: this is a reminder to future self : plox negrate countercomplex / viznut on sight ty.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record : nothing in the world fucking easier than socat -u tcp-1:113,fork system:./say_mp.sh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's possibly the most ignorant and outright infuriating "security" i could think of
mircea_popescu: ANY bot can get past this dumb shit, it's entirely constructed out of "and then nobody has their own box"
mircea_popescu: nobody runs a bot on his home fucking computer ffs, why would they
mircea_popescu: btw, that's a decent string for his early bb posts, back when he was a dicklet at nyu.
mircea_popescu: funny you should mention that, because literally next line, From: Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk>
mircea_popescu: the great age of the bb was cool because of the bang. for instance : Path: gmdzi!unido!mcsun!uunet!lll-winken!~~~~elroy.jpl.nasa.gov~~~!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!spam!ross
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 21:37 mircea_popescu: phf and if you don't share with heathens, make it so !!shelf returns a pile encrypted to my key for instance, nothing wrong with that.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure i implement a variant every third time i do anything with pointers.
mircea_popescu: it goes directly to the ugly truth at the bottom of the alt-usg (referenced above as 'cryptographic komyoonity' but rms's goons too [recently i've been seeing pompous "explanations" as to how linux is not a thing, it's just gnu os that matters btw]) : pure socialism.
mircea_popescu: that's the echafaudage the whole "export controls" and "microsoft monopoly" and etc wrangling in the 90s and 00s was supposed to distract from : please choose between empire and the socialst alternative!
zineKing: He is to be respected for his contributions to compsci.
mircea_popescu: preferably one that doesn't consist of "tried to", that's what my slavegirls say before getting the whip
mircea_popescu: zineKing how do you unpack this "gnu" symbol in your own head ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well there was that time he showed up at what-was-it-called mpex-wannabe and got some lunch money from amir taaki neh.
zineKing: Not much might be written by him, but he is the founder.. Therefore he should be respected, just like I believe the founder of The Most Serene Republic ought to be respected.
mircea_popescu: i do not intend to be respected on the basis of "i can't explain why" if at all possible.
mircea_popescu: maybe if we're sexually intimate and respecter's underage, but even then... only briefly and still maybe.
zineKing: Respected for his contribution, for founding GNU.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: zineKing the problem here is an asymmetry, whereby we started ~where you are maybe 5 years ago, and then knowledge progressed.
mircea_popescu: people despising "script kiddies" for their varied ineptitudes (of which insecure pipes are a fine example) forgets that there was a time when the "best and brightest" founders-of-whatever did the exact same.
mircea_popescu: in which vein : people despising "inept schoolchildren" who scribble their names on trees/wet cement/whatever forget (by which euphemism we render "never had any fucking idea") who actually started that trend.
mircea_popescu: shit's fucking epic, an all-in-one manual on how to not design crypto, how to not communicate your design, how to not think and so on.
mircea_popescu: but what it's truly interesting for, is just how disingenuous bernstein's "destruction" is. instead of a curt, and correct, "go study OTP and when you understand that, move up to lubby", he picks the wrong end of the mechanism to improperly reduce to a strawman. this is the risk of arguing with idiots -- if you're a normal person your social adjustment circuitry might entice you to make idiotic arguments in response and then
mircea_popescu: (as it happens here -- the year being 1991 lubby was still a decade away, and fountain codes poorly understood, so a honest mind might very well have ended up predating lubby through the exercise of trying to make a decent answer for this particular idiot. which process is exactly why "universities" exist in the first place, and teaching all-but-inescapable for researchers : it turns out that answering the malformed questions
☟︎ mircea_popescu: of [preselected] idiots is a major, if not the principal source of discovery ; something i know from personal experience for my own needs, if the theory weren't enough.)
mircea_popescu: it's what i'd call "a telegraphist's intuition". there are these things that are particularily irksome/obvious to technical men (ie, not very intelligent) and small children.
mircea_popescu: anyone at "inventions bureau" can confirm -- there's a profile of technical employee matching type of commonly-seen "invention"
mircea_popescu: so i just went "wtf, there's no mention of this site in the logs" and it turns out that... yes there is, you gave it to me last year. lol.
mircea_popescu: anyway, dood has a humongo collection of random wank/antiques, should prolly be mirrored.
mircea_popescu: "what do small children and technical men have in common ?" "they're not scholars" "oh."
a111: Logged on 2016-02-10 14:21 mircea_popescu: 1998-11-23 Stefan Axelsson: "What is needed, is some other, resilient, long lasting, redundant third party storage of references, such as a library is for printed material today."
mircea_popescu: the important point here is that there can be NO retrospective read of the history of ideas in any actual discipline that is both a) longer than epsilon and b) fails to discover the PRINCIPAL bar to discovery is personal dishonesty.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and i mean it quite specifically as strong as "if djb weren't a spook, and honest enough a man to look at the problem correctly, he would probably have had lubby before lubby did. certainky he was smart enough."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there exists nothing but the person, in front of the mystery.
mircea_popescu: there is no group there (or in general, but in general easier to fake it)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, i still don't know why you call blinders "blinkers"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 16:18 mircea_popescu: (as it happens here -- the year being 1991 lubby was still a decade away, and fountain codes poorly understood, so a honest mind might very well have ended up predating lubby through the exercise of trying to make a decent answer for this particular idiot. which process is exactly why "universities" exist in the first place, and teaching all-but-inescapable for researchers : it turns out that answering the malformed questions
mircea_popescu: sure. if scholarly, he could have ended up trapped in a contrived reference to reed-solomon.
mircea_popescu: still, the "might very well" is extremely hard to do away with.
mircea_popescu: one might consider the relationship proposed spurious, on that basis. that one is invited to free up a few weeks of his time and retrospect any field of his choice, see what he finds.
mircea_popescu: it's mindboggling, to me, you know ? EVERY fucking parent since the dawn of time told his kids "don't lie" with all sorts of dumb, dysfunctional ratonalles "you'll go to jail" "i'll beat you up" whatever the fuck.
mircea_popescu: to my knowledge ~nobody, including the "professional" cuckeducators/retards they have in the anglo "humanist" tradition turned up the correct version :
mircea_popescu: don't lie, because if you do you form a sort of mental habit that will prevent you from ever inventing anything.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: i don't think i ever met a kid that didn't intrinsically respect invention.
mircea_popescu: i guess. tall order tho, even icecubes wear their pants a novel way
mircea_popescu: for somebody this rich i suppose i spent an inordinate amount of time in busses.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wanna call 512-892-0494 see if mr ritter wants to audit fg ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ahaha did we do dood's "poetry" ie, as he himself confesses, "i was bored and horny in the army -- so here, cummings sheets" ?
mircea_popescu: "This, my mixture of love and hate, is the reason why I hesitate . . . Yes, it is easily done, buy a room for two: Instant me and mine -- then you."
mircea_popescu: or, if you prefer, "Another time mated, thirst again sated, body passing hated, to books I turn, eager to learn, before it's again fated."
mircea_popescu: generally you can recognize the undeclared cuck by that sure sign that disavows control of own sexuality. what the everloving fuck is "fated" about fucking ? maybe ~for her~.
mircea_popescu: if i were a hooker working from delrey, i'd print these and give them out to the sexagenarians.
mircea_popescu: ok, i take it back, he's not even terrible. here : "I saw her again and she saw me. It seemed that us at last was we. We'd break up, then remember, then one day we forgot to come back together. So she left, then I did, and I never saw her again."
mircea_popescu: well obviously, it's ignorantly-generalized otp, which is why i said, "start with otp"
mircea_popescu: they are, IN EXACT ORDER, "1. nyah nyah my key was longer than i said it was"
mircea_popescu: then "2. nyah nyah exhaustion turnoff superpower" and then "3. magical key fountain"
mircea_popescu: hey, a boy is born with a boy brain, it works the same way for all of them.
mircea_popescu: i never was, because i had met a collection of cvasi pms as a younger boy than that'd have come.
mircea_popescu: the "this item worked for 50 years, but STILL isn't pm" along with the famous "droppled of pitch" made some useful points for my head.
mircea_popescu: did they have the "this dropplet of pitch has been working its clockwork towards dropping for x decades" item in yoru space ?
mircea_popescu: i suspect a major "favourable factor" in the supposedly genetics-only "regression to mean" is poorly varied environment for the kids. ie, all sorts of important phenomena ("arbitrarily slow motion" say) not directly perceived.
mircea_popescu: and the problem with heuristics is -- they self-reinforce. BOTH if broken or if sound. proper knowledge only self-reinforces if sound, but heuristic approaches don't know their own dick from a hole in the ground.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform local natl history museum had an ancient such item ; along with a yellow diamond and what all else. stored in these immense, pre 1900 wooden behemoths, at that.
mircea_popescu: it works a lot better as "substitute palace of graybeard santas" if you're say 5.
mircea_popescu: i was talking to someone and they were all indignant over " a set of international prizes in Life Sciences, Fundamental Physics and Mathematics, was founded by Sergey Brin and Anne Wojcicki, Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan, and Yuri Milner and Julia Milner." because who the fuck is zuckerberg.
mircea_popescu: (sadoveanu, despicable regime-alligned novelist and consequently bigwig had 3 daughters)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform does your dictionary provide a guess for kokofifi's "sugushesc" ?
mircea_popescu: "b) the key it does allow you to extract won't be used right away, but at an undetermined time in the futur, depending on the available store of key material, and on the volume of traffic," is actually included verbatim in DEFENSE of the utility of the scheme
mircea_popescu: d. f. boyd has a moment of illumination (yes, you've guessed it, i reed these mostly to see what THE EXPERTS say) : "what happens if i send a block of nulls ? what happens if i set a block of 1s ? what can i do with these two ?"
mircea_popescu: also, nutmeg apparently heard of xor, but "is no good -- can't send key!"
mircea_popescu: w ? was making comments re emacs on vaxen from suny binghamton, then... zip
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 16:43 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wanna call 512-892-0494 see if mr ritter wants to audit fg ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 16:46 asciilifeform: y'know , i can no longer see any diff b/w ANY and all symmetriccipherists, and the linked d00d
mircea_popescu: "One aspect I have been studying, which nobody raised, is that we could find ourselves with a dynamic system, as the key that is generated will be used to program the key generator. This could be a builtin limit to my approach. I still have to think about it. On the other hand, if I could tune it for chaos..."
mircea_popescu: this is it, there is no more needed. what i wish to know of all future cryptosystems is simply "ok mr x, you have here a cryptosystem, but answer me this : IS IT TUNED FOR CHAOS ?"
mircea_popescu: and then a coupla days later : "Objective: Design a method which would allow for the availability of an infinite length random key (automated one-time pad generation), from a finite store of random material."
mircea_popescu: fellow earlier assured us he "is familiar" with "the problems" and other symbols mentioned (knuth, shannon, whatever) so i believe him :D
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, just called and left a message. if he's interested he should have enough info to join this channel
danielpbarron: yeah i spelled out #trilema and freenode and also explained that you can google for a webchat url
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: woops, it also gives the same output if i do ./install.sh /dev/sda
trinque: you didn't tell it what device to install to.
danielpbarron: ya ya i just did that one for the wotpaste but it's the same output
trinque: gotta actually read the script, see what command it was running.
trinque: lol, one sec, lemme see what's happening in that part
danielpbarron: just making sure /dev/sda is what you call a mount point
danielpbarron: i also tried pre-formatting it and specifying /dev/sda1
danielpbarron: and also tried pre-mounting and specifying /mnt/gentoo
trinque: hold on, what are you booting from?
trinque: paste the actual output with sda; I suspect it's different.
trinque: the line in question is the one creating a new partition table with parted
trinque: look at the command it's creating and see if your parted supports it or not
danielpbarron: i did try manually typing that parted line and it returned fine (i think)
danielpbarron: well that's not entirely true, what is that final $ thing in the parted line
trinque: ah shit, my instructions are wrong.
trinque: I added a param for the kernel config to use, see top
danielpbarron: top of what, i refreshed the blog post and i don't see a difference
trinque: top of the script you're reading!
trinque: hold your horses; I'm saying if you look at the top of the script you have, you can see that there are two parameters.
danielpbarron: aw shit, i have to provide my own kernel config :<
trinque: danielpbarron: post updated
danielpbarron: ok this time it still says "build is not a mountpoint" but it seems to be doing something so far
trinque: yep, it checks to see if build is already mounted, unmounts if so.
trinque: makes the dev loop on the thing easier, edit script, rebuild.
danielpbarron: aaaaand my sketchy chinese usb drive crashed the laptop when i unplugged ffffff
trinque: hey your testing is greatly appreciated.
danielpbarron: for the lol record, i got this usb drive many years ago from the roger verified memorydealers site for what is now probably thousands of USD worth of bitcoin
trinque: good deal. too bad I'm out of nog or I'd join in.
trinque: if you want to poke around in the build after it's done (or breaks), it'll still be mounted for you to chroot in.
danielpbarron: so i wanna put eulora on this thing when it finishes. i'm curious does it already have asciilifeform's crapolade mask file or is that the kind of thing i have to put in manually?
trinque: see the masks and removed useflags in the build script
trinque: has not specifically asciilifeform's list, though I'm pretty sure mine encompasses it. if it lacks something, point it out and it'll get added.
danielpbarron: mostly asked because someone will probably wonder the same and now they have something to read in the log. i'll give it a look when it finishes
deedbot: RemoteFox voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: premysl voiced for 30 minutes.
premysl: I'm a passer-by, pondering what's going on over here.
mod6: all the gentoos i've got are amd64 and default .config
mod6: im fairly sure .. anyway
mircea_popescu: in other news, new year's the best time to drive around here.
mircea_popescu: police car parked in between the lanes, "hey, is that da polis ?" "shit, it is" "well... they're not chasing." "in truth i was only doing 100, the limit's 80. just 20 over... that's kinda stickler fare..." "you were also doing 130 earlier, in the 60 limit zone" "shit, i was ?"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 19:55 danielpbarron: started again and script is still chugging along nicely
trinque: takes on the scale of hours to build first; after first build you have binary packages of what you built, can complete in minutes
mircea_popescu: in other holy shit : apparently omaha, nebraska cancelled ny fireworks because it snowed and the soviets "dun want anyone to get frostbite"
mircea_popescu: to quote the local oracle, "america's best days lie ahead"