tmsr - Log 2017-12-23

deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1.asc

mircea_popescu: so you can sign with it but not decrypt ?! ☟︎

joecool: correct, for whatever reason this smartcard would not allow me to import my other subkeys ☟︎

joecool: so i have two encryption subkeys on my uid

mircea_popescu: i c. will want to hear what trinque says on this.

joecool: in gribble's case i have the choice between eauth/everify (requires that I decrypt) and auth/verify (requires signing)

mircea_popescu: aha

shinohai: Ah ty mircea_popescu ... slowly making these linguistical connections.

mircea_popescu: :p

shinohai: It warms my heart then to know you are who you are, and likely are shocking their puritan sensibilities.

shinohai: iffn they had any xD

mircea_popescu: whose ?

shinohai: "some antecessor was a priest"

shinohai: !!up douchebag__

deedbot: douchebag__ voiced for 30 minutes.

douchebag__: h

mircea_popescu: eh, i'm sure he'll be fine. eastern church a lot less hysterical, and besides, what's the big deal ? female slavery was the tradition anyway.

mircea_popescu: as per thomas, i'll repent later when it costs me nothing anyway.

BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 13750.0, vol: 57572.58293619 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 12950.0, vol: 178993.591425 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 13810.8, vol: 11013.9840011 | Volume-weighted last average: 13174.326958

BingoBoingo: the thrashing

shinohai: aha it always seemed to me the Eastern tradition had a more acute grasp of the human condition.

mircea_popescu: in other news, woody allen is like the WORST diletante moviemaker ever.

mircea_popescu: who the fuck thought this schmuck may be permitted to waste the celluloid ?

BingoBoingo: Pedophiles thought?

mircea_popescu: what, cuz he fucked that ugly azn kid his dumb wife imported for the purpose ?

mircea_popescu: pedophilia should not imply bad taste.

BingoBoingo: Not him, his funders.

mircea_popescu: i thought the state of new york/federal budget were mostly funding his flailing.

mircea_popescu: oh.

BingoBoingo: Well yeah, funding him makes them respectable

mircea_popescu: i see.

BingoBoingo: Hay Clintons en Nuevo York!

shinohai: What happened to indiancandy, in here offering nigger language lessons.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-167.163-167.231 basically.

trinque: !!up joecool

deedbot: joecool voiced for 30 minutes.

joecool: Hey, I’ll be back in a little bit but you probably saw the log

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757276 << kinda iffy on how to handle this. if I understand, you've got one subkey with you; the default deedbot's gpg wants to use is not with you. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 00:02 joecool: correct, for whatever reason this smartcard would not allow me to import my other subkeys

trinque: in the past I have only ever made *any* changes to the deedbot keychain if the person can prove control of both keys, old and new. ☟︎

trinque: my preference is to not end up with some sort of complex "policy" around how deedbot should interact with gpg. ☟︎

shinohai: Is lamport parachute accepted method to you trinque ?

shinohai: ( otherwise shinohai does not know for what purpose this exercise was done! ) ☟︎

trinque: !!up BigTexasBingo

deedbot: BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.

BigTexasBingo: In other updates. Chica not requesting an assistance related to the bag snatching, but wants to cook dinner. Uruguay, fuck yeah! ☟︎

trinque: shinohai: whatever ends up being ok, the ok list needs to get defined and permanently bound.

shinohai: true

trinque: I've helped people work around the gpg idiocy in the past (expiration dates) because.. gpg idiocy.

BigTexasBingo: It also matters what key signed the parachute

shinohai: no need for bickering VIII: The Kochaclypse

shinohai: *bickening

trinque: just pointing out that I might be corrupting the youfs by not taking a firmer line on "put a sane single key into deedbot and always have it, or proceed by the *only* mechanism to change key, or die" ☟︎☟︎

trinque: it's a rot that flows from relying on gpg, and I've thus far considered that tightening around asciilifeform's P is the appropriate time for it. ☟︎

BigTexasBingo: From gpg from gribble auth, from a whole lot of accumulated trash ☟︎

BigTexasBingo: Brb, done hacer pupu

trinque: anyhow, there's no signing auth mechanism, and I don't want to feature creep the thing. I will however change a key for anybody that demonstrates control of both.

shinohai: feature creep kill gribble so yeah

trinque: the relationship to the wallet is also important to consider. wallet and deedbot do not share state, beyond deedbot initially communicating a (key, nick) pair to wallet. at that time, of course, the wallet is empty.

trinque: "update" is always way more dangerous than "insert" eh?

shinohai: to me beauty of your lispbot framework, its easier to keep things contained. i admit has been a bit daunting so far attempting to port all this crap from python.

shinohai: ihavenoideawhatimdoing.exe

shinohai: http://archive.is/36sPq << Shall we send conbase http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ ?

asciilifeform: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757328 , today's ffa-series item will appear tomorrow, apparently was too big a bite for asciilifeform's mere 1wk ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 02:21 trinque: it's a rot that flows from relying on gpg, and I've thus far considered that tightening around asciilifeform's P is the appropriate time for it.

asciilifeform: ( it will be obvious to the reader, why. but i'll keep it a fun surprise )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757327 << the important bit ( and iirc i emphasized this in the lamport piece ) is to agree IN ADVANCE ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 02:20 trinque: just pointing out that I might be corrupting the youfs by not taking a firmer line on "put a sane single key into deedbot and always have it, or proceed by the *only* mechanism to change key, or die"

asciilifeform: otherwise you will have no end of folx begging for 'just one' exception , and in the end devolve to socially-engineerable usgism

trinque: indeed.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757275 << iirc gpg actually defaults to generating 2 moduli, sign-only an' decrypt-only ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 00:01 mircea_popescu: so you can sign with it but not decrypt ?!

asciilifeform: which is monstrously retarded, but koch did not ask me, lol

trinque: asciilifeform: you didn't do anything other than remove the gcc-5.x step in my recipe, and worked?

trinque: I just ran over here, build craps out of gcc-4 with "cannot create executables" ☟︎

asciilifeform: trinque: i must note, my gentoo is ordinary, rather than musltronic

asciilifeform: ( recipe closer to danielpbarron's )

asciilifeform: i have not yet attempted a musltronic one.

trinque: ah, k

trinque: does appear that when using the gentoo musltronic patches, the step from 6 -> 5 -> 4 gcc is necessary. ☟︎☟︎

trinque: maybe what ends up happening is that I produce a "stage 3" that's already had this nonsense done to it, though obviously there's value in preserving the lineage (in form of a build script) from gentoo to cuntoo.

trinque: well. that keybinding is clearly too close to another.

trinque: anyhow weevlos, and all you miserable, worthless 4chan fucks. the fact of the matter is there's less than one part per million worthwhile human being on this wretched planet, and while I spent my evening drinking pinot noir and chatting with a worthwhile lass that bought me Feynman's Lectures on Physics for xmas, you spent it pulling your dick on social media. when the world turns over, you will have much ☟︎

trinque: more to answer for than the people of walmart

trinque: fuck you, die, and goodnight.

mircea_popescu: !!up neur0

deedbot: neur0 voiced for 30 minutes.

mircea_popescu: here's a thing for the mechanical engineers in da hous, ben_vulpes asciilifeform and who ye might be : given two driving pegs A, B, how do you turn a spoke C such that it realises the DIFFERENTIAL A-B ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: !!up blazeme8

deedbot: blazeme8 voiced for 30 minutes.

blazeme8: Morning

mircea_popescu: how goes.

blazeme8: Pretty good. On vacation.

blazeme8: hbu

mircea_popescu: pretty great myself!

blazeme8: is deedbot custom or something open source?

blazeme8: or both ^_^

mircea_popescu: custom.

shinohai: Feliz Sabado mircea_popescu

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757314 << the principal fucking problem with the rank nonsense we're using is that idiocy of "subkey". consider mine : if you encrypt to 2FB7B452 which ~is~ my key, gpg will nevertheless encrypt to 16B8E32E. because gpg will use the master as sign-only and create a "decryption" key "automatically". ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 01:55 trinque: in the past I have only ever made *any* changes to the deedbot keychain if the person can prove control of both keys, old and new.

mircea_popescu: then to add insult to injury "picks the right one" also "automatically" at "any time"

mircea_popescu: so in practical nonsense as grandfathered in, we posited already an equivalency so that if 1. something signed by 2FB7B452 and 2. somethinf decrypted by 16B8E32E then therefore 1 = 2 in terms of cryptoproof strength.\

mircea_popescu: gracias shinohai

mircea_popescu: so in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757315 which is on the face very sane, we are in fact in the situation of an undesirably very complex policy already. yet another examplke of what tmsr-rsa is intended to fix. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 01:56 trinque: my preference is to not end up with some sort of complex "policy" around how deedbot should interact with gpg.

mircea_popescu: (if memory serves the original split, design choice made late 1990s, was due to either suspicion or reality that either sign or decrypt possibly leaked bits ; the idea of separate keys is not even bad, necessarily, but this does NOT say anything positive about a clunky, ad hoc, untransparent and machine-automagical key hierarchy system. so basically, people probably will have at least two keys in tmsr-rsa, except they won't b ☟︎

mircea_popescu: e clumped together into the monster we have now.)

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757317 << amusingly that was never discussed in practical terms. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 02:10 shinohai: ( otherwise shinohai does not know for what purpose this exercise was done! )

shinohai: I suppose it wasn't discussed, but I did rather enjoy the learning part of it.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757320 << hey, i played with what must've been 38G! boobies last night, and the girl carrying them in the world was all shy and had never seen herself liek, prancing naked around the house. fuck yea latin america, pais de los tetonas lecheras! ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 02:16 BigTexasBingo: In other updates. Chica not requesting an assistance related to the bag snatching, but wants to cook dinner. Uruguay, fuck yeah!

mircea_popescu: !!up blazeme8

deedbot: blazeme8 voiced for 30 minutes.

blazeme8: ty... i thought i'd be able to do that myself through the bot...?

mircea_popescu: !!key blazeme8

deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/BA31C56ADA954AE6294B18E80E852B739BB7C3F0.asc

mircea_popescu: blazeme8 http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756668 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 06:54 mircea_popescu: Techman say /query deedbot to open a pm session ; say !!up in there to it ; then return !!v the string.

blazeme8: when I PM the bot !!up, it says:

blazeme8: 11:01:59 AM <deedbot> You may not $up yourself.

mircea_popescu: this poor guy is going to now be highlighted every time noob asks lol.

mircea_popescu: blazeme8 ah, no ratings. aite, lessee... what do you do, other than "downtime rocks" ?

mircea_popescu: !!rate blazeme8 1 noob

deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5yFwg/?raw=true

blazeme8: nothing that I want to share here :P

mircea_popescu: that may be, but ~nobody will think very much of you without an actual identity.

blazeme8: man is born without an identity, how can one progress?

mircea_popescu: no man is born without identity. if that man is woman she gets tits eventually ; if that man is not woman at very least has parents, some kind of history...

mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as nude birth nor there yet was in the history of the world. everyone's born with some shit between his eyes.

blazeme8: well, i'm not interested in linking a 'real' identity. perhaps this is a waste of time.

mircea_popescu: indeed ; nobody here is interested in your tulpas.

mircea_popescu: then again, in due time you'll disover the ~other~ thing was a waste of time, odds are.

mircea_popescu: the pompous idiocy of the zek, i swear.

mircea_popescu: "oh, my real identity hasn't even started yet!111"

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757327 << this is a solid concern also. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757329 << nah, gribble auth was mostly fixed last split ; then gribble was going to be upgraded and never actually was. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 02:22 BigTexasBingo: From gpg from gribble auth, from a whole lot of accumulated trash

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757338 << you know you're supposed to plan these for yourself so you yourself can then execute them! if you can't do it for yourself, what hope has any peon working under your management ? eh ? ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 03:53 asciilifeform: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757328 , today's ffa-series item will appear tomorrow, apparently was too big a bite for asciilifeform's mere 1wk

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757354 << this is so. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 09:27 trinque: does appear that when using the gentoo musltronic patches, the step from 6 -> 5 -> 4 gcc is necessary.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757357 << this is an iffy point m'lord. i have a slavegirl that washes the floors ; the floors is where the cockroaches go. should she be punished ? ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 09:34 trinque: anyhow weevlos, and all you miserable, worthless 4chan fucks. the fact of the matter is there's less than one part per million worthwhile human being on this wretched planet, and while I spent my evening drinking pinot noir and chatting with a worthwhile lass that bought me Feynman's Lectures on Physics for xmas, you spent it pulling your dick on social media. when the world turns over, you will have much

shinohai: Did anyone here ever read the Bitcoin wallet plugin for gribble? I don't think it was updated (or in actual use anywhere!) but I think I remember axing it from jhvh1 because you could query any users balance with it.

mircea_popescu: iirc it was "experimental"

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757362 << spur gear differential. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 15:44 mircea_popescu: here's a thing for the mechanical engineers in da hous, ben_vulpes asciilifeform and who ye might be : given two driving pegs A, B, how do you turn a spoke C such that it realises the DIFFERENTIAL A-B ?

mircea_popescu: iirc that averages. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( actually several ways to do it, because in actual life you seldom want tight 2way coupling of output to input shaft )

mircea_popescu: there may be several ways, but differential won't do it.

mircea_popescu: (this incidentally is fascinating to the historian of computing because obviously analogic computers work on crankboxes)

asciilifeform: iirc the artillery people did it with worm gear differential

mircea_popescu: !#s antikythera

a111: 3 results for "antikythera", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=antikythera

asciilifeform: ^ planetary

mircea_popescu: ha!

asciilifeform inherited pile of b00kz re clockwork

asciilifeform: it was the kompyooting of its time. except : actually worked...

shinohai: Bet those are interesting read, asciilifeform .... any digitized?

mircea_popescu: clocks worked imperfectly even then.

asciilifeform: shinohai: prolly, somewhere

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: physically, known-imperfectly tho. rather than 'js soup'-imperfectly.

mircea_popescu: sure, i guess.

asciilifeform: there's a quite substantial difference

shinohai: Thermal expansion being major factor in inaccuracy of mechanical things

asciilifeform: b/w object that is imperfect because of limitations of the materials, and one that is broken because of limitations of the designer, who was dropped as a child

shinohai: (pendlums too)

mircea_popescu: there's plenty. dilation, unhomogenity of material, necessarily imprecise workmanship, errors compound

asciilifeform: dunforget fatigue.

mircea_popescu: there can not exist such a thing as a perfectly homogenuous bar of steel for the exact reason there can not exist a perfectly detailed etch on its surface.

shinohai suddenly wonders if pete_dushenski has ever seen those steam-powered clocks that are in Canada .... ☟︎

mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone know the ancient watt meter ? two pendulums with coiled wire.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757381 << decrypt timing-oracle elementarily leaks bits. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 15:56 mircea_popescu: (if memory serves the original split, design choice made late 1990s, was due to either suspicion or reality that either sign or decrypt possibly leaked bits ; the idea of separate keys is not even bad, necessarily, but this does NOT say anything positive about a clunky, ad hoc, untransparent and machine-automagical key hierarchy system. so basically, people probably will have at least two keys in tmsr-rsa, except they won't b

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but they didn't know this then.

mircea_popescu: !#s Pendelzähler

a111: 0 results for "Pendelzähler", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Pendelz%C3%A4hler

asciilifeform: eh it was obvious to anyone who ever heard his cpu bzz on nearby radio

mircea_popescu: ha!

asciilifeform: ( for n00bz : rsasign and rsadecrypt are the same operation, mathematically)

shinohai: http://archive.is/Rtx2b <<< Treazon!

asciilifeform: and yes it means that every time you publish a sig, you also thereby supply a 'decryption' for some random string of soup

asciilifeform: shinohai: '... and plot!' (tm)(r)

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757425 << on meditation i will have to withdraw this objection. even if he didn't say what i wanted him to, solution is still correct (because there's no difference between "average stepped up 2x" and "difference" if you make sure the gears always run opposite) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 16:27 mircea_popescu: iirc that averages.

asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu wants a very specific function, he gotta say algebraically which. and the pile of gears will get gnarlier, quite quickly ...

mircea_popescu: yeh. fair enuff.\

shinohai: "Alteryx , a marketing analytics firm, left an unsecured database online that publicly exposed sensitive information for about 123 million U.S. households. "

asciilifeform: !#s kurta

a111: 1 result for "kurta", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kurta

mircea_popescu: ye olde sunfunction clocks, rite ? some of the best piles of fine gnarl the world has ever seen

shinohai: 1/2 the US!

mircea_popescu: shinohai actually the us only has 90mn or so households iirc.

mircea_popescu: singlets aren't a household in statistical parlance.

asciilifeform: i betcha mircea_popescu would enjoy taking apart a 'kurta'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only if not expected to put back again :D

shinohai: ah true

shinohai: Naturally, this unsecured db was found on an Amazon server

asciilifeform does not own a 'kurta', they are at this point museum-level rarity

mircea_popescu: "Livermore said it would be “totally irresponsible” for the Ukrainians to allow Yezhov to participate in an official delegation if they had suspicions he might be a spy." << dude get the fuck out, total fucktarded imbecile.

mircea_popescu: people let spies act unhindered ALL THE TIME. for the perfectly fine obvious reason.

mircea_popescu: jesus shit the cardboard experts tardworld keeps "producing" in name only.

asciilifeform: besides everyboddyknows yezhov was shot in '39

shinohai: lol

mircea_popescu: "a retired Canadian ambassador and onetime director-general of security and intelligence for Canada’s Foreign Ministry"f

mircea_popescu: fucking canada. pretending to be a country, unqualified on the force of its inhabitants to be a deserted island.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757415 << problem is that i'ma peon meself, in the saeculum, and all plans presume avgcase peonage load per time unit ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 16:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757338 << you know you're supposed to plan these for yourself so you yourself can then execute them! if you can't do it for yourself, what hope has any peon working under your management ? eh ?

mircea_popescu: oh is that what it is ? usure you didn't overstake for the sake of imagined outcomes ?

BingoBoingo: <blazeme8> well, i'm not interested in linking a 'real' identity. perhaps this is a waste of time. << The time one could take their time on this matter was 2013

danielpbarron: !!balance

mircea_popescu: trinque so are you ~9 blocks behind atm ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what outcomes lol

deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/E8j9s/?raw=true

asciilifeform: and speaking of hasty and untested , asciilifeform has a 'aggressive sync mode' trb patch, which will need a proper differential test

asciilifeform: anybody got 2 trb-capable boxen, on separate ip but equal in bw ? can be in heathendom isp or wherever.

shinohai unfortunately only has single trb-capable box.

asciilifeform: shinohai: i have moar boxes than could ever use, but few , sadly, pipes

mircea_popescu: needs isp!

asciilifeform: noshit.jpg

mircea_popescu: anyway, speaking of not-as-dumb-as-average jews, hermann fambly, owners of radio works in berlin, sold 1935 and split. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: https://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_hersteller_detail.cfm?company_id=18

asciilifeform: sharp.

danielpbarron: !~later tell trinque my 1.5 deposit from the other day finally confirmed, i hope that still gets to my balance ☟︎

jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.

danielpbarron: apparently 0.001 is too low a fee now

mircea_popescu: nuts heh

danielpbarron: also my balance is confusing, is it possible for people to pay me secretly? it was higher than i expected (assuming the 1.5 is still pending)

shinohai: This tx, sent from my trb node to bitpay, 0.00103098 BTC fee: bf5b74049c4b06ea3669b53595bc2c838025ad8b3adb8377212acd8fbeb72deb

shinohai: took ~4 days

BingoBoingo: In other news, the caterpillar store in Montevideo Shopping emphatically does NOT sell earthmoving equipment ☟︎

danielpbarron: i think it was people frantic to send their stuff around over the b-crash coinbase party

mircea_popescu: possibru

BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15320.17, vol: 28995.46007089 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14800.0, vol: 79241.93770727 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15322.2, vol: 4792.30685388 | Volume-weighted last average: 14955.5795546

shinohai: It was pretty rare event for me, nearly every tx I have ever sent has got in next block.

BingoBoingo: A couple times migrating machines, I've forgot to implement sane fee and had to tack on a heft fee for a transaction involving the change to get shit moving

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or could send doublespend, that always seems to get the original moving!1!!

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aha

asciilifeform: ( i still have nfi why this worx, but it never fails...)

BingoBoingo: But last time such happened there was at least one miner looking a couple transactions ahead for fees

asciilifeform: send the 2nd, naturally, to self

shinohai: I always figured double-spend worked because miners chose to include tx w/ higher fee.

asciilifeform: shinohai: oddly enuff, dun seem to be it

asciilifeform: but it's been a while since asciilifeform experimented with subj.

BingoBoingo: brb, shit to do before Montevideo shuts down for Navidad

shinohai: Happy Festivus to all my fellow heathens

asciilifeform: i'ma stfu and let the folx who actually tx every day, comment

asciilifeform: ( mircea_popescu ^ ? )

mircea_popescu: eh, network's unreliable in pretty much all the ways.

mircea_popescu: also mostly works.

asciilifeform: yea but, like-this unreliable, or like-that unreliable ?

shinohai: Broken clock is reliable twice a day.

mircea_popescu: more like this than like that, unreliably.

mircea_popescu: in other "furious activity as cover for impotence", the string "&nslookup djY7ekWd&'\\\"`0&nslookup djY7ekWd&`'" is going to do something! maybe as a referrer ? maybe if you stuff it into a comment ? IT IS A MAGICALLY POWERFUL STRING!

mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with people.

asciilifeform: shinohai: if you can read the hands, can say, clock aint wholly broken... antikytheria clock wrong all day.

shinohai: antikytherium

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: betcha it's an opensesame to some ciscotron or similar garbage

mircea_popescu: possible.

asciilifeform: typically is what referheader crapolade is.

mircea_popescu: kinda why i even bothered putting it in the log / why i look for weird in the mega webfilter that is trilema. you never know when a magical packet pops up, they're like tachyons these things.

shinohai: btw, from logs the other day, was wondering if asciilifeform could link to examples of this: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=wyse

asciilifeform: someone, somewhere -- eats.

shinohai: sorry http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754246 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 15:47 asciilifeform: 'wyse' made a series of gui-terminals , but with sata disk , fanless , based on very similar mobo to 'pcengines'

asciilifeform: shinohai: as it happens i just uncrated one today

shinohai: Cool

asciilifeform: fiddybux buys you a fanless 1.5Ghz x 4core, 4GB mem, GB nic, sata, in book-size plastic fanless chassis, dc brick

shinohai: sauce?

asciilifeform: these are sold by scrap dealers

asciilifeform: shinohai: look on, e.g., ebay

asciilifeform: amd g-series, btw

asciilifeform: the good one.

shinohai: say like https://www.amazon.com/2QZ2985-Wyse-Z90D7-Client-G/dp/B00C2AT020 ?

asciilifeform: ( needless to say , they are sold diskless )

asciilifeform: shinohai: aha, that series

shinohai: Windows Embedded Standard 7 lel

asciilifeform: ( even when sold for entire hundy, still 4x the bang for the buck of pcengines. )

asciilifeform: shinohai: reflash, naturally

shinohai: even without disk, can boot from ram, no?

asciilifeform: i'ma report when mine is put into service.

mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2kLX3/?raw=true << complete list of the nonsense, if anyone cares ; all from 185.100.222.123 (who did burn ~30GB worth of bw overnight to poke at trilema for reasons.)

asciilifeform: shinohai: trb needs a disk

mircea_popescu: ${10000059+10000047} of particular amusement.

asciilifeform: shinohai: but yes, you want coreboot in'ere

asciilifeform: !~google select pg_sleep(6);

jhvh1: asciilifeform: SQL Injection Wiki | PostgreSQL SQL Injection Cheat Sheet: <http://www.sqlinjectionwiki.com/Categories/4/postgresql-sql-injection-cheat-sheet/>; SQL Injection Cheat Sheet | Netsparker: <https://www.netsparker.com/blog/web-security/sql-injection-cheat-sheet/>; PostgreSQL Sleep Function pg_sleep – Postgres Delay Execution ...: (1 more message)

shinohai ducks at the brick asciilifeform will likely throw when he admits to using knoppix .....

asciilifeform: !~google IlRXqXAa'));select pg_sleep(6); --

jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitcoinocracy — IlRXqXAa ')); select pg_sleep ( 6); --: <https://vote.bitcoin.com/arguments/ilrxqxaa-select-pg_sleep-6>; SQL Injection Wiki | PostgreSQL SQL Injection Cheat Sheet: <http://www.sqlinjectionwiki.com/Categories/4/postgresql-sql-injection-cheat-sheet/>; Postgres SQL Injection Cheat Sheet | pentestmonkey: (1 more message)

asciilifeform: lol!,

mircea_popescu: heh

asciilifeform: shinohai: i thought knoppix evaporated in... 2007?.

mircea_popescu: he bottled some lol

mircea_popescu: https://vote.bitcoin.com/arguments/ilrxqxaa-select-pg_sleep-6 << this shit is actually fucking epic

mircea_popescu: pity there's no qntra to qntra it on.

shinohai: http://www.knoppix.org/ <<< still maintained

mircea_popescu: because this is ~exactly what scam foundation voting was always all about.

asciilifeform: it's what all seekritballot voting was always about.

asciilifeform: with or without mechanicals.

shinohai: !~calc 100 * 10^-8 * 1024

jhvh1: shinohai: 100 * 10^-8 * 1024 = 0.001024

mircea_popescu: in other arcana referring trilema, http://scotus.blogspot.com/

mircea_popescu: dead for 12+ years by this point so i have nfi.

mircea_popescu: back when the ipod nano was hot.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, and when chinese mp3trons did better job, with 0 proprietary crapware needed to mount, and for 1/5th the price..

mircea_popescu: aww

mircea_popescu: are you unpatriotic or something ?

asciilifeform: apparently

mircea_popescu: THE BOUNDLESS HUMAN INGENUITY EXISTING!

asciilifeform: disingenuouity

asciilifeform: phunphakt: to this very day, crappleware won't -- as result of deliberate design -- emulate a disk

asciilifeform: or disgorge, via any means short of full bore crack, anything previously written therein , as a file ☟︎

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "No. 04-0631 Wagnon v. Prarie Band Potawatomi Nation. This case concerns a tribe of native Americans in Kansas who have a casino on their reservation. If I understand the facts correctly, there is one road that goes to the casino, and one gas station (the "Nation Station") on that road. As you might guess the gas station primarily sells gas to casino goers. The tribe imposes a tax on the gas that pays for the r

mircea_popescu: oad. Well Kansas decided it was going to impose its own tax on fuel distributors, that they were free to pass on to their customers. The tribe argues that the tax should not apply to it because federal indian law preempts state law and because it impinges on the tribe's sovereign immunity. My from the gut prediction is that the Court will REVERSE, just because native Americans really have bad luck at the Court. They have some

mircea_popescu: decisions that say great things for them, but unfortunately courts mostly find ways around actually upholding those great things." <<->> http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#selection-195.1-197.53

asciilifeform: aaaaha.

mircea_popescu: also, NOT A SINGLE LINK from a 12 yo blog still resolves.

asciilifeform: surprised?

mircea_popescu: not to scotusblog.com, not to "akamai" bla bla CDN, not to fuckiung anything.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform displeased.

shinohai: In dairy news: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/dairy1.gif

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757501 << of course. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 16:56 danielpbarron: !~later tell trinque my 1.5 deposit from the other day finally confirmed, i hope that still gets to my balance

trinque: just has to confirm, or I'm fronting money.

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757419 << remains to be seen if they're idle for lack of leadership or lack of spine. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 16:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757357 << this is an iffy point m'lord. i have a slavegirl that washes the floors ; the floors is where the cockroaches go. should she be punished ?

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757489 << looks like 2 atm. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 16:50 mircea_popescu: trinque so are you ~9 blocks behind atm ?

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757508 << less than a month in, and already thoughts of terraforming ! ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 16:59 BingoBoingo: In other news, the caterpillar store in Montevideo Shopping emphatically does NOT sell earthmoving equipment

phf: from the same tex publication: knuth "The index to Digital Typography lists eleven pages where the importance of stability is stressed, and I urge all maintainers of TEX and to read them again every few years." elsewhere "TEX users have long relied on the device independent file format (DVI) to preview their documents while editing. However, innovation has been scarce in this area, and users have to rely on years-old, or even decades-old software, faci

phf: ng increasing compatibil- ity issues with modern systems. In this paper, we describe ModernDvi, a new DVI viewer Windows Store application, offering high quality and fast ren- dering, wait-free, outperforming existing solutions in these areas." ☟︎

phf: "First, all exist- ing viewers are now considered legacy software: they have been designed for decades-old operating systems and do not meet modern requirements regarding soft- ware, hardware, interface, and usability in general."

phf: etc. etc. etc. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: aaand in other "pravda always makes better read years later", http://edition.cnn.com/US/9705/18/clinton.aids.pm/index.html

mircea_popescu: the part where neither the "main banner" nor "clinton" illustration exist anymore is subsidiarily such delicious linkrot satire...

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757613 << the 2nd item is not also knuth is it ?! ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 18:44 phf: etc. etc. etc.

phf: no, yeah, that wasn't clear

BingoBoingo: trinque: Fleeting thoughts. But no, was walking the mall in search of un libro para aprender Ingles and saw the Caterpillar store selling... outdoors sort of sporty stuff for las mueres

BingoBoingo: Over La Navidad, will be online infrequently, but reading logs religiously. After la Navidad will continue pushing business formation and intensify the cultural and language immersion experience

BingoBoingo: And in other joyous sights of the season, saw my first child beggar today pestering me for "un moneda", the fellow in the orange vest whose job I've not figured out yet had a roaring laugh as "No entiendo." "No se, que es un moneda" and then I walked off.

BingoBoingo: Being a non-Brasilero extranero in Uruguay is very close to having superpowers

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well, the sort of tankette las mujeres they have in latinolands... it's understandable.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: break a clydesdale's whippletree, they will... ☟︎

BingoBoingo: Anyways it's not like mircea_popescu level mystical domination superpowers, but it's a profoundly different experience from being a local in the US

BingoBoingo: No estas muchas gordas aqui, unas pocas pero no much.

BingoBoingo: *mucha

mircea_popescu: estas is 1st person

BingoBoingo: Ah, dammit

mircea_popescu: no estan muy gordas - they aren't very fat. no estas muchas gordas = you dear reader aren't many fat women.

BingoBoingo: AH, if only costa rica had datacenters I could ignore at least two verb tenses

mircea_popescu: lol

BingoBoingo: And if anyone wants accomodations in Uruguay that aren't a hostel, la ciudad vieja is full of ancient $45 a night places with rather grand architecture.

BingoBoingo has not slept in any

BingoBoingo: But figured asciilifeform and pet may fear the delousing when they drop boxes

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757625 << lol i'ma guess mircea_popescu ended up in pediwik swamp when looked for gears... ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 19:34 mircea_popescu: break a clydesdale's whippletree, they will...

mircea_popescu: what, i can't know what a clydesdale is on my own ?

mircea_popescu: i actually OWNED one at some point!

asciilifeform: but didja have a whippletree for'em

mircea_popescu: standard item in carriages neh ?

asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu in a tachanka

mircea_popescu: even included in ro trad artesanal models

asciilifeform: nifty.

mircea_popescu: one of the many items of not-really-interest one picks up in trad ro village packaging with anthropology.

asciilifeform: phf: got sores for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757611 horror ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 18:43 phf: ng increasing compatibil- ity issues with modern systems. In this paper, we describe ModernDvi, a new DVI viewer Windows Store application, offering high quality and fast ren- dering, wait-free, outperforming existing solutions in these areas."

asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque where didja get the log-timestamps in your trb ? ( which patch pressed to ? )

jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.

trinque: asciilifeform: svlogd is providing them

asciilifeform: trinque: how's that work with the default log mechanism ?

trinque: got the flag to log to stdout set

BingoBoingo: brb

asciilifeform: aaaa

trinque bbl

phf: asciilifeform: there's no repo, but i tracked down source if you're curious. https://sourceforge.net/projects/moderndvi/files/ 40mb .NET project

asciilifeform: eww

asciilifeform: !!up BigTexasBingo

deedbot: BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.

BigTexasBingo: Watching my first car accident aftermath

BigTexasBingo: Two cars clipped each other in front of the hostel and the girl driver swerved post collision into power pole

BigTexasBingo: Both drivers ambulatory

BigTexasBingo: Older male drove some compact jap thong minimal damage

BigTexasBingo: Girlie driver has/had chicom hatchback at least radiator compromised

BigTexasBingo: Hostel staff delivered girl a cup of water

BigTexasBingo: Both parties appear to be chatting in a civil manner porque Montevideo es muy tranqui ☟︎

asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000281.html ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ^^ mod6, ben_vulpes , trinque , mircea_popescu , et al ^^ ☟︎

asciilifeform: and yes typo, FIRST not 'fist'

asciilifeform: btw kudos to jurov , his http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/post/btc-dev widget worked on first trigger pull !!

asciilifeform: ( iirc this was my 1st time using it )

asciilifeform: analysis so far : ^^item^^ results , at last , in situation where any 2 trb nodes, and 1 is 'ahead' of the other, the 'trailing' node is guaranteed to be fed.

asciilifeform: *where any 2 trb nodes connect, and...

asciilifeform: theoretically (!) this should make 'wires' (see last feb. log) actually work-as-intended. ( asciilifeform not yet tried. )

asciilifeform: this is testable empirically; like-so: any N trb nodes built with 'aggression' patch above, and linked via 'wires', should never fall out of height-sync with one another by more than a coupla blox. at any point.

asciilifeform: whoever has the resources to test this : plox to write in.

asciilifeform: fwiw 'aggression' is live on (still syncing...) zoolag, as of today.

asciilifeform: ( funnily enough it is now virtually impossible to connect to, on account of actually getting fed a block ~every time it touches anybody ... )

asciilifeform: it did take a while to reach this state, given as 'wires' are no longer in use. had to actually connect to a working and nonblackholed trb.

asciilifeform: hence the observation in the readme.txt.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757667 << well what were they to do, engage in wager of combat ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 20:34 BigTexasBingo: Both parties appear to be chatting in a civil manner porque Montevideo es muy tranqui

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757669 << the mempool insanity is really a close order approximation of ddos in the first place. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 20:43 asciilifeform: ^^ mod6, ben_vulpes , trinque , mircea_popescu , et al ^^

asciilifeform: aaha!

mircea_popescu: correct design would have prioritized block delivery over txn delivery, at the delivery point

mircea_popescu: but...

mircea_popescu: "i can not send this node any txn for as long as it still asks me for blocks"

asciilifeform: more exactly, for so long as it is verifying a block, it is dead-in-the-water

asciilifeform: and in order for this not to be the case, you need a sane db

asciilifeform: ( that , e.g., barrierizes reads correctly, rather than blocking completely )

mircea_popescu: myeah

mircea_popescu: ironically bdb would have worked for this if correctly implemented.

mircea_popescu: but the problem with windows-moder-computerpropellerhead is that he expects items to work correcty in whichever braindamaged manner he expects to use them

mircea_popescu: very much a case of "driver learned to drive on automatic, thinks gearbox fails to work correctly"

asciilifeform: well, when verification took 3s instead of 3min, problem was not visible to the idjit's naked eye

mircea_popescu: the naked eye being not a conceptual eye.

asciilifeform: was 'too cheap to meter' (tm)(r)

mircea_popescu needs frequent breaks for watching naked girlie put away the veuve cliquots and whatnots.

asciilifeform: ftr 'aggression' is apparently paying off, 200blox caughtup in <1hr, which previously took 4-5hrs (in the 400k's, to be specific)

mircea_popescu: for as long as you have other trbs up to speed to support you. but still, useful mod.

asciilifeform: so far seems to be.

mircea_popescu again sees trinque ~9 blocks behind

trinque: mircea_popescu: lookin on the website? if so that's a timestamp indicating when the page itself was last regenerated.

trinque: asciilifeform: sounds like a neato patch

trinque: at any rate I do look to be consistently at least a couple blocks behind. gonna now go back to default maxver and let it run.