mircea_popescu: spyked well, i expect the ivf of ye olde library was epsilon. as alf says, "entomologist only". because wtf do they have, a story of two scytales ? tyvm, it's obsolete.
mircea_popescu: a right medium. i mean YOURS. like, you know, trilema.
mircea_popescu: not on some "platform" that'll "turn it off" the moment you no longer serve their bosses.
douchebag: Oh no, not yet I'll throw something up the next time I find something interesting to blog about. Currently I'm using medium as a way to get better known in the community
douchebag: Actually yes it is, I've seen a number of people who reposted my medium blog on a few websites other than medium. The people who are reposting this found my blog post through medium and shared it elsewhere
douchebag: However, if I just were to have my own blog on my own website it would be a bit more difficult for people to find it until I am better known in the community
douchebag: I only use my Twitter for infosec related stuff
douchebag: I've learned a ridiculous amount about infosec and met some extremely talented people by following security researchers on twitter.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo how the hell can that thing contain NO numeric characters ?! do it properly, x - y - z - k = q. << I appologize. I got drunk last night and rushed the report in order to get my ass into an AA meeting.
BingoBoingo: I had been slacking on meeting to get more Spanish conversation in, and when the pretty girl offered me a beer in her place there was no resistance.
BingoBoingo: The only serious cost discovered so far has been to my sanity.
BingoBoingo: I woke up at 9:30 this morning in a fat chick's bed. I didn't know those existed here. Today had been a day of confusion, convalescence, and doubt.
shinohai: Fatties need love too BingoBoingo bwahahahaha
BingoBoingo: It has been a serious blow to the confidence reserve, but it has been a aid to the nofap challenge LATAM edition
mircea_popescu: dun sweat it too much bb, everyone enjoys fucking a fat girl now and again.
BingoBoingo: But I did find a local AA sponsor at the meeting tonight. In the interim my sweat hasn't smelled this bad since the first time I sobered up.
shinohai: The more you fuck, the more calories she burns, so actually you are doing her a favor.
trinque: goebbels is allowed to bang jewish chicks so long as he whistles Deutschlandlied during
jhvh1: 1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
BingoBoingo: Being in LATAM and full of gringo confidence I slacked on my recovery. Going forward the talking to pretty girls time budget is going to have to take some cuts to make more room for talking to old men about feelings.
BingoBoingo: I feel sufficiently bodily ill to have a strong awareness that if it happens again my life, in LATAM and in general will probably be short.
mircea_popescu: it's a relatively easy place to get by as an aa, they're not really heavy drinkers. just say no and that's that.
BingoBoingo: That has worked so far, until the pretty girl invited me to her place and she met my "no" with a gentle tease.
BingoBoingo: Apologies for the brainmush lemme disambiguate: That has worked so far, until the pretty girl who invited me to her place offered a beer and she met my "no" with a series of gentle teases. Since I was in her home when my dick asked "what's the worst that could happen" my brain wasn't ready to answer with "Look at all these other pretty girls"
BingoBoingo: Probably just need to get better at screening girls
BingoBoingo: Brb, making coffee and reading a book of substantial size y entonces me voy a dormir.
mircea_popescu: entonces is then as in, right then. then as in, afterwards is despues or whatever.
BingoBoingo: They use it and "Este" as verbal pauses here
BingoBoingo: The fine points of usage are harder for me to discern when 90% of the time I hear a word it is because Latinos fear not hearing their own voice.
shinohai hears a woman squealing "QUE LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNDOOOOOOOOOOOO" in the loudest voice possible.
phf: BingoBoingo> [21:10:34] gracias
phf: BingoBoingo: one day at a time
lobbes: ^^ list of known domains added
lobbes: target=blank added on external archive links (links to archive.is) as well
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 06:25 lobbes: Top three things I need to do next: 1) set up automated updating of the reporting database the thing sits on (currently 'stale' data). 2) set up lobbesbot to similarly search via IRC commands 3) Zip distribution system!
deedbot: coingecko voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: wow a republican search engine no fucking way
ben_vulpes: eyy lobbes how do i get me blog in there
lobbes: ty all. I'm happy to sap
lobbes: ben_vulpes, should be in there no?
lobbes: !Qsarchive cascadianhacker
lobbes: I think the wotpastes muddle it up a bit
lobbes: note to self: make a way to -exclude- a term from a search
ben_vulpes: oh so it only searches urls its archived that's right
lobbes: anything dropped in this chan (historical walk also done back to ~2012)
lobbes: soon it'll accept bulk requests to archive / download archived items, but for now only way is via chan (#eulora also snarfed, ftr)
mod6: ooh lemme check it out
lobbes: ben_vulpes, yeah, atm it just searches the url only
mod6: thanks for putting that together, very cool
ben_vulpes: bing's in there but noooo love for me lobbes, i see how it is :P
lobbes: hm. damn I'ma look into this one
ben_vulpes just getting back from an entire weekend spent away from term
ben_vulpes: minor nits aside it's pretty awesome lobbes
lobbes: minor nits are welcome. Helps me fine tune the ol' process. But glad folx find useful
mircea_popescu: lobbes implement a (paid) full text search, you'll be ahead of archive.is, amazon's webarchive and EVERYONE else.
☟︎ lobbes: !Qsarchive cascadianhacker.com/fuckgoats-testing
mircea_popescu: meter the resources as you do it, cpu time/disk io, whatever is your concern. then bill the person, and store the bill, so you can present it in the future ("the previous three bills average X, so you have an idea how much)
lobbes: mircea_popescu, ah good idea on the making it a paid service. mats had suggested a context search to me earlier
mircea_popescu: see how much you actually pay for tyhe resources, charge 2x that for your time, and if you end up ddosed just... buy more hardware.
lobbes: yeah, I'm thinking eventually I will need to take advantage of TBI at some point. But currently very low overhead (home laptop with ssd + cheap VPSen)
lobbes: will see how much bandwidth starts running once the zip delivery is operational
ben_vulpes: !!v 4D399AF0A1C9309A196BFE763EC70AB8DA3A0CEAB215A598219201F6C73CBC81
deedbot: ben_vulpes rated lobbes 3 << search
trinque has been going down memory lane today, re-reading trb patches and finally sticking sig on them.
trinque taps out for now. history file's coming along; I've got about 7 patches left to reread and write up.
trinque: once done I'll post to blog, and hopefully patch authors can add detail.
hanbot regards error with distant incredulity
mircea_popescu: i hope open source comes and rescues us from this shitpile.
mircea_popescu: welcome, all, to the wonderful world of computers which nobody has ever used before for any purpose whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: it's "could have had, that's just as good" all the way down!
trinque: if that doesn't work try 100000000 and so on
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 04:57 mircea_popescu dreams of a future of searchable images, because proper svgs.
hanbot: no onboard ulimit, no package found, heh.
trinque: probably she's just not root, and wasn't in path
trinque: how would it not have ulimit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform trinque you'd be surprised how many of these exist!
trinque: oh hm, it's a shell builtin even
trinque: maybe it's running duplosh
mircea_popescu: iirc it just edits something in /etc/security/limits.conf ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 23:04 douchebag: Does anyone else in this chat into web application pentesting?
trinque: though iirc Framedragger was lost into that one never to be seen again
a111: 2017-10-06 <Framedragger> yes but someone committing to the project without having the necessary time is not far away from malice, imho
mod6: <+hanbot> no onboard ulimit, no package found, heh. << it is a huge pain to get a ulimit set on these mclinux boxes. but after seriously, a bunch of trial and error, I was able to get it to work.
mod6: I don't have the incantation in front of me at the moment... but if you would like it, I can dig it up for you tomorrow.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 23:26 douchebag: Thanks man, I've been spending a lot of my time focusing on security research and helping others get involved in the InfoSec community. I have a pretty decent resume compared to most people I go to college with because I have a pretty decent amount of experience, and when it comes to InfoSec jobs experience is probably the most important factor for most employers
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> iirc it just edits something in /etc/security/limits.conf ? << off the top of my head, that's only like 50% of it. there is at least one other thing that needs to be set/configured too.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 23:56 spyked looked at the patch. admits to not being able to compile an example with gcc 4.9 nor 5; so there's probably more to it, e.g. C++ voodoo. I'm curious of asciilifeform's answer
trinque: I am not putting a negative in the history file
trinque: it's been a great exercise, since the histfile demands rationale.
trinque: beyond "well and then it worked"
a111: Logged on 2015-04-01 18:28 ascii_field: result.push_back(Pair("coinbasevalue", (int64_t)pblock->vtx[0].vout[0].nValue));
hanbot: file-max futzing as graciously put on example above resulted in zero change of error, fwiw. will check out mod6's pill when available (no rush).
mircea_popescu: for the record, that dijkstra piece on "radical" bla bla is so fucking idiotic...
mircea_popescu: "Coping with radical novelty requires an orthogonal method. One must consider one's own past, the experiences collected, and the habits formed in it as an unfortunate accident of history, and one has to approach the radical novelty with a blank mind, consciously refusing to try to link it with what is already familiar, because the familiar is hopelessly inadequate." << this never was, and absolutely never will be the case. mo
mircea_popescu: reover, the pretense to the contrary and the "blank mind" humanist wank is strictly the path to insanity.
deedbot: emmylark voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_coman: I really can't begin to understand what exactly is that; some gems in there too with organisation making silk-purse out of a sow's ear and "every participant has the option to be that player" and ...
☟︎ shinohai: "hick-ups" <<< Is this supposed to be the bumpkin version of "hiccough" ?
shinohai: I expected more from an academic.
diana_coman: to be fair it sounds like a rushed caught-in-the-hallway-had-to-say-something piece
deedbot: caaddr voiced for 30 minutes.
caaddr: hi diana_coman, shinohai
caaddr: I've been working on Chapter 1 of the ffalib guide
☟︎ caaddr: I'm trying to follow the instructions precisely, and that has included not using gcc-5.x or above. I'm just using the standard gnat-4 package in debian which is linked to the gcc-4 package, and I've noticed these are a bit out of date
caaddr: having browsed the logs of #trilema I've found that I'm not the only one who has run into issues:
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 17:55 whaack: asciilifeform: gnat1: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-fdump-scos’ when I try gprbuild. gnat version 4.6 gcc version 4.8.4. I removed the command line option from the gpr file since it seemed to be just used for coverage tools. Then got error prefix of "Image" attribute must be a type in 3 places in blocks.adb
diana_coman: aha; tbh you are best off using adacore's tools
caaddr: so I've created a vpatch for both of these issues, which makes the genesis Chapter 1 code work with gnat-4
shinohai: I believe mod6 told ne he got it running on deb, I haven't tried
diana_coman: I suppose asciilifeform will want to have a look at them perhaps ; I'm not sure though I see a point in changing ffa to fit whatever gnat4 wants though
diana_coman: upload the patches there + discussion as to why and what; link to asciilifeform's ch1 ffa and you're done
deedbot: caaddr voiced for 30 minutes.
caaddr: thanks, sorry about that
caaddr: yes, I created a vpatch. I'm happy to add my key to deedbot too
diana_coman: caaddr, register a key please so we know it's you next time
caaddr: asciilifeform: Debian 8
caaddr: I've registered my key with deedbot now
diana_coman: !!v 63112D55B65E5DEECA35DEF2255B054FAB8B3CB477A9F53743BA3D672178CC98
deedbot: diana_coman rated caaddr 1 << ffa reader
☟︎ diana_coman: caaddr, you should be able to voice yourself from now on
diana_coman: from my own experience with adacore and with gnat, I tend to agree with asciilifeform's evaluation there ^^
deedbot: caaddr voiced for 30 minutes.
caaddr: GNATMAKE 4.9.2 is the answer to the now redundant question. I'll use adacore instead. I had avoided this because it contains precompiled binaries, with no independent reproducible build certification
☟︎ diana_coman: caaddr, say here steps + failure when you tried to !!up yourself
caaddr: I said "!!up" to deedbot in pm, and it replied "You must be registered."
caaddr: I get the same output with "!!up caaddr"
caaddr: it didn't, but I thought source would be available
caaddr: oh, I remember the gnat ouroboros from the logs now
caaddr: Ken Thompson hack ahoy
caaddr: it would be nice to bootstrap an entire operating system from machine code to forth to some strange mix of forth and ada, ada, then tinyscheme, and finally a sane common lisp subset
caaddr: surely not. you just need "a steady hand and a magnetized needle" ;)
caaddr: I wonder how early in such a stack you would add the kind of compile time protections that ada guarantees. compile time protections seem to be the hardest thing to keep a programming language at "fits in head" size
caaddr: I suppose you would prefer hardware-only optimizations in any case, so ideally they would not be part of the software stack at all. compilation for performance as caching only
caaddr: compared to compilation as a *software transformation device*, which I consider a different case: that is for automating levers, not running your program off of a cliff faster than before
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 18:54 trinque: apeloyee: gpg: BAD04B14A4545828FABCE63C3DB30625393C0BB1: skipped: unusable public key << gpg has this to say about your fp
diana_coman: if it's not that the trouble here too, trinque might help
caaddr: my public key has no expiry date, "pgpdump 87E7CA4CEB024766F7FFD3733F04CDC412DFE2FF.asc | grep exp"
caaddr: so I'll hold out for trinque. thank you
caaddr: for now just remember: cdr twice, then car twice. anybody else is an impostor ;)
caaddr: so you'd need a carry flag, unlike RISC-V, at least? :)
caaddr: did SCHEME-79 have native bignum?
caaddr: I think I remember from the paper that only two of the actual pressed irons even worked. I wonder what happened to them?
caaddr: probably locked in a drawer somewhere, lest the world learn from them
caaddr: "WARNING: MAY STILL CONTAIN DANGEROUS LEVELS OF SANITY". yes, just a joke. it would be nice to handle them as an exercise in hardware archaeology
☟︎ caaddr: but AIM-559 has the details
caaddr: I enjoyed the long series of posts where a gentleman reverse engineered the 6502 die photograph, drawing the schematic from the photo
caaddr: that chip was about the same era. it's certainly doable, but a chore unless you have significant passion for the subject
caaddr: perhaps one day we'll be able to hang up a poster of the transistors that caused the FDIV bug
phf: scheme-79 is not "whole thing published", which is something that i said in the logs multiple times also. there's AI memoes of variying detali, but the actual toolset, something called daedalus, and the corresponding daedalus files that actually describe the chip, are nowhere to be found. also dies will not be particularly interesting because the whole point of daedalus was semi assisted layout
phf: there was nothing "censored", it's just what was published are abstracts. litereally just reading corresponding AIMs will show you that you can't literally rebuild the cpu from them
phf: daedalus and ns are completely unrelated pieces. NS is an older tool for laying out PALs
phf: oh sure in a sense that daedalus was part of the IP packet
caaddr: and then there was Chuck's OKAD...
phf: but note symbolics were still running a CADR internally
caaddr: didn't LMI branch off somewhat and create more innovative hardware?
phf: lmi also stayed closer to CADR for longer. at the very least later versions of S
phf: of SYSTEM has a bunch of #+lmi conditionals long after genera went closed source
caaddr: it's this that I was thinking of:
caaddr: "Unlike other Lisp Machines, the K-machine is not descended from Tom Knight's original CONS architecture; the K-machine is an original design."
caaddr: "After a period of time, when no investors were found, the material assets of Gigamos, including the K-machine board sets, specifications, schematics, and printed circuit artwork were sold for salvage to Eli Hefron and Sons in Cambridge, MA. I purchased these materials from Eli Hefron and Sons and they are currently in my possession."
caaddr: so Joe Marshall has what's left
caaddr: would like to find it, did not know about it
phf: asciilifeform: hey you mind pasting current version of vdiff?
deedbot: caaddr voiced for 30 minutes.
caaddr: thanks. hope trinque can fix that. I did try "!!up" again myself
☟︎ caaddr: fun story: I tried to use vdiff with the busybox version of awk. this did not end with smiles and sunshine and laughter
caaddr: even the power *switches*
phf: caaddr: my personal issue with resurrecting all these lisp machine architectures is that Genera really is the only interesting platform to build upon, and there's not enough source/details available ~at all~ to actually rebuild a genera system from first principles.
caaddr: the full source is available, is it not?
caaddr: I thought I torrented a full system once upon a time
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10801.73, vol: 13707.95989220 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10718.0, vol: 56369.14332746 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10828.1, vol: 4766.66950677 | Volume-weighted last average: 10740.347588
phf: all these things are reddit available "oh i saw link and played with it". try ~actually~ ~rebuilding~ a genera system from source code
caaddr: oh, that was OpenGenera too, the RISCised version
phf: shit, try cold booting a genera system, rebuilding the FEP, etc. you'll discover that those are non-trivial tasks requiring expert knowledge. that knowledge can be gained from what we have though, but it'll take you weeks or months to get there
caaddr: sure, it was millions of lines of code wasn't it?
caaddr: and who-knows-how-many lisp engineer man hours
phf: and like cmucl puts it "rebuilding cmucl is not an exact science"
caaddr: anyway, see how sad the state of affairs is? we can't even reproduce the technology of the early 1980s, whereas we ought to have had nearly three decades now of advancement in this area
caaddr: instead we have... what do we have? we have the blockchain but we're still using dns. we have common lisp but we're still using scheme, or, worse, clojure. we have ada but we're using rust. "we" being "we the people", as in the redditoid masses
caaddr: sure, but I'm just lamenting the negative differential of the progress curve. what are the big discoveries since 1990?
caaddr: luby soliton, what else?
caaddr: wasn't the treap invented in the 1980s?
caaddr: and a few other lisp-aware structures
caaddr: so you're saying it's even worse than I thought? ;)
deedbot: caaddr voiced for 30 minutes.
caaddr: thanks mod6. I'm installing Adacore now
caaddr: success building Ch1 with Adacore 2016
mod6: hanbot: here's what I have currently running on an Ubuntu 14.04 box. I believe this to be all that is required, you can change the values as required, but I think one catch that I found is that root's ulimit needed to be set just a bit higher than the non-root user.
mod6: so in that case the hard nofile limit for root gets set to 2000000, and the soft to 1500000 and hanbot's get set to 1000000 each hard/soft. And then that one line is required in common-session.
mod6: it was a royal pita to get it to work... hopefully what I've posted here will work for you, others.
mod6: !Qsarchive p.bvulpes.com
mod6: it's not in there yet, but this is so awesome.
mod6: does it snarf like once per day lobbes?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:19 asciilifeform: and also i think at this point i will declare gpl-gnat to be a work of wreckers. it has zero upsides over adacore's, and a million breakages , large and small.
ave1: nobody outside of adacore seems to work on gnat GCC, so yes single version...
mod6: asciilifeform: noted. i'll update it once i get a chance to test whatever this is ^
mod6: yeah, i know. :] just want to test it first.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:53 caaddr: thanks. hope trinque can fix that. I did try "!!up" again myself
trinque: maybe he can use his words and say what he tried
deedbot: caaddr voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: how many times have noobs said deedbot didn't work, and how many times have they been right?
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:18 deedbot: diana_coman rated caaddr 1 << ffa reader
trinque: you have not rated diana_coman !
deedbot: asciilifeform rated diana_coman 3 << industrial FG user; adatronicist; ffa reader
trinque: ftr I will never "fix that". noob either says exactly what he did and helps me reproduce it, or gets ignored. I'm not comcast customer support.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 16:04 ave1: re:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773970, it seems that gcc simply lags behind and a releases version will never be updated / fixed to newer adacore releases. AdaCore 2014 also cannot build FFA from the box
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 14:25 asciilifeform: did we ever do a 'postel's law not only considered harmful but a disaster of epic proportions, quite comparable to leaded petrol' thread ?
a111: Logged on 2016-01-11 17:02 ascii_butugychag: the few precious things that ACTUALLY WORK, consistently, every time - your cpu's adder, the bus, etc. SHIT on postel.
ave1: Yes on restrict.adc plus it's the inline pragma that did not work for earlier FFA (adacore 2014).
ave1: yes, I would not support older or gcc gnats, a user can mutilate on his own
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 16:03 mod6: does it snarf like once per day lobbes?
ave1: also, the number of changed lines between release is very large (way too large for maintenance). It probably does not get better in later releases, just different.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 01:57 mircea_popescu very much will refuse to consider random fucktards who spent 2012 going "oh, who pays for mpex seats" in the hope that "hey, i'll weasel my way back in through peripheral commentary anyway"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 01:57 mircea_popescu: it's little more than a restatement of ye olde, dearest dream of all nigger, "we'll get in later anyway:"
trinque: I am not dancing around gpg's autism
trinque: I will be willing to import a key with the same parameters, but marked as E
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 13:23 diana_coman: I really can't begin to understand what exactly is that; some gems in there too with organisation making silk-purse out of a sow's ear and "every participant has the option to be that player" and ...
BingoBoingo: And passed the 24 hour mark so at tonight's meeting I can report the last 24 went bien
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:08 caaddr: I've been working on Chapter 1 of the ffalib guide
mircea_popescu: going up to a woman and asking her if she'd like to be put in chains and whipped is going to produce significantly better results than going up to a woman and proposing you take her out for a yacht cruise.
mircea_popescu: people WANT to be asked for parts of their own fucking body cut off with a half bent spork.
mircea_popescu: the cruise... "it's nice, i guess", but it doesn't fucking hurt and the stump doesn't bleed afterwards, why even bother.
caaddr: what if there had been a multipart guide to building your own phuctor from scratch, *without* revealing the end purpose of the software until the end? would that have attracted more or less commentary?
mircea_popescu: the correlate of postmodern confusion is that i'd so much rather gouge out an eye than watch another benjamin-shithead movie.
mircea_popescu: caaddr there's this occasional scam on the internet, most recently "urbit".
BingoBoingo: <caaddr> what if there had been a multipart guide to building your own phuctor from scratch, *without* revealing the end purpose of the software until the end? would that have attracted more or less commentary? << No one wants to read more random python
mircea_popescu: i don't expect anyone gives a shiot abput the gimmick.
caaddr: what was its ultimate fate?
caaddr: can it be resurrected phoenix-like from the disk whereon it resides?
mircea_popescu: caaddr empire ~stole the box, started quest for republican isp.
caaddr: asciilifeform, remember you said something a while ago about there being a lack of basic tools for interrogating information contained within the blockchain?
caaddr: which revealed a general "caveman with microscope" level attitude towards that technology. it occurs to me that the fact nothing like phuctor existed before shows the same caveman approach to all of cryptography, not just blockchains
mircea_popescu: caaddr this is amply discussed, generally under the "not as much as a fucking working cipher omfg"
mircea_popescu: whole population of handwaving fly eyes. which is why "open sores".
mircea_popescu: one day eric raymond came to mp and said "given enough eyes, all bugs are shallow" ; mp extended him the can of beluga roe he was dipping into : "here you go, a whole <<<new software movement>>>". eric raymond never understood what just happened.
caaddr: something from the same book: gpg2 does not allow export of the two RSA primes, p and q, from a password protected key. it does not think that you *own your own primes*. the primes upon which your reputation rests
mircea_popescu: im certain that's not it. there's two causes of the by now well identified and documented pantsuit idiocy.
caaddr: as far as I can tell, you can either rewrite their shitware from scratch and surgically remove the primes yourself, or you can import it into the less damaged gpg1 to achieve much the same in a less irritating way
mircea_popescu: the OTHER however, plain idiocy as opposed to the malevolent sort, is perhaps best rendered as "missing formats".
mircea_popescu: gpg doesn't "allow" the exporting of your own damned primes because IT DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO NOTATE THEM.
mircea_popescu: this may seem weird considering we've had numbers for a long time. but i am pretty certain that's what the problem is.
mircea_popescu: they literally could not conceive HOW to give you those.
caaddr: indeed. this inversion of "fundamental principles" with "implementation details best left hidden from the 'casual' user" is all of a pattern
caaddr: primes, who could need those? what the user really needs are a hundred poorly named command line flags to manipulate a keychain state that they normally control using easily spoofed truncated fingerprints
caaddr: because that's what they saw in a LEET PGP guide that somebody wrote in 2003. it's gotta be safe, it's a guide! on the web! copy and paste, try not to think too hard about what's formatting what
mircea_popescu: which explains why gpg 1 has but gpg2 has not : by the time gpg2 came out, there was an absolute lower bound firmly in place, and well... TOO BIG. "people could never handle this!"
caaddr: it would be entertaining/devastating to survey how many users of PGP actually use the extra metadata besides the primes and exponent in the first place
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:19 asciilifeform: and also i think at this point i will declare gpl-gnat to be a work of wreckers. it has zero upsides over adacore's, and a million breakages , large and small.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but life served you lemons. you gotta make what is a very unpleasant cut as a political decision.
caaddr: I don't know if anybody is actually using PGP, now you mention it. outside of the serene republic
caaddr: I was able to migrate to Adacore 2016 okay, for what it's worth
trinque: caaddr: to date the only use I've seen is people put an expiration date on a key, then whine to me about swapping it out
caaddr: and my vpatch was trivial work, I just wanted to report it here to avoid other ffa pioneers having to duplicate trivialities
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 22:34 phf: mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me what "properly handle" is, given the many conversations on the subj. there's no reason why it couldn't if there was some direction as far as proper. i'm personally leaning towards the idea that binary blobs shouldn't be in vpatch (as per latest thread on subj), but it's a non-pragmatic take
caaddr: trinque: so the only use we have is actually a *negative* use
mircea_popescu: people put their email in there all the time ; which got zimmerman banned in my book, because i wrote to the email and he responded that he "long ago lost the key".
caaddr: expiration dates, like some antiparticle of usability
mircea_popescu: who is this guy anyway ? do we get to that part in the log ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to me either. i'm mostly putting the matter into over-enunciated discussion to get the thinkjuices flowing on the topic, as it's gonna be the main bitch for years to come.
caaddr: arbitrage, like in all decaying societies
mircea_popescu: you're sitting there and telling me you're a suit with a working comprehension of the underlying technology ? what the fuck is this, the future ?
caaddr: the hovercars will be programmed in ada
mircea_popescu: (for the noobs : arbitrage as a financial "fashionable" item, the sorta thing tom cruise might be doing to explain why he has all that money and time to pursue "slavegirls" came to light during the 70s mergers and acquisitions craze (aka, m&a), where the success/failure of an attempt to takeover induces significant yet economically meaningless price movements. the whys and wherefores of both the behaviour and its effects are
mircea_popescu: so are you basically an engineer flattering himself on the grounds of "hey, online brokerages let anyone open an account these days!" then ?
caaddr: very much like that, yes
caaddr: let's see about the value of my vpatches
BingoBoingo: Sausage? Does alf have a meat engineer friend?
caaddr: various computing sector tasks. like all modern men, I can skin a rabbit, smelt my own copper, build my own hut. computational equivalents, of course. strangely these turn out to be valuable traits, though easily gotten
mircea_popescu: why all the coyness anyway. dja ever read the anonimity discussion, as it happens ?
mircea_popescu: item's been looking for someone to pick up the "no, really mp, anonimity is actually a net positive" torch for a long time now. be my guest.
caaddr: that'll have to be pushed to the stack, time's running low for the evening
caaddr: in any case, I hope to contribute what little I can. thinking here seems to align with mine
mircea_popescu: caaddr dun worry about it, i just ask cuz im curious not cuz i'm setting up the table to eat you.
mircea_popescu was once left with fambly's 4 yo daughther while they ran around setting the table etc for later dinner, proceeded to convincingly tell the little girl the whole preparation's really to EAT HER. ran off screaming/was skittish the whole rest of the day.
mircea_popescu: i believe it is very important to inform the kids what the adults are up to, you know ?
caaddr: I'd tell somebody that too if I wanted to eat them
caaddr: false sense of security
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but ~the concept~. "none of this makes any sense but it happened to schelling point yearsd ago back when this decaying empire was slightly better so what can we do".
mircea_popescu: ~same thing as "received holy book", ie why the eastern version yielded "orthodoxy".
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:22 asciilifeform: this would seem to create the unpleasant situation of having just 1 adatron. but it is not clear to me that there ever were 2. there was only adacore and broken-adacore (aka gcc-gnat)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:23 caaddr: GNATMAKE 4.9.2 is the answer to the now redundant question. I'll use adacore instead. I had avoided this because it contains precompiled binaries, with no independent reproducible build certification
mircea_popescu: iirc it was at least on the surface the impetuus/justification for the fruitless excursion in desert that was gnu attempt.
mircea_popescu: (which -- how come nobody goes "hey, rms wasted through failing to save so and so engineer years in that whole fiasco". there's this very iritatingly wikipedian attitude of universalist nonsense, "we decided on x all avoidable sacrifice is going to be piously frauded into necessary now". and i dun like it.)
mircea_popescu: (holy shit these illiterate schmucks, so they spell it impetuous as the adjective but "impetus" as the noun. what the everloving fuck is this and where did my diaresis go!)
BingoBoingo: In other sad news, Slayer announced their farewell tour. Another metal band falls to the Raggaeton onslaught.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:26 asciilifeform: caaddr: this is why you disasm and audit the bin before deploying to the rocket
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773999 << it's not clear that this separate-and-oh-so-different-this-time attempt to implement dwim has any more merit than any of the previous ones. for as long as i can't say "paperclip, write the novel i feel inside of me", you can't say "software transformation compiler".
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:30 caaddr: compared to compilation as a *software transformation device*, which I consider a different case: that is for automating levers, not running your program off of a cliff faster than before
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:34 asciilifeform: forget carry flag, even : native bignum.
mircea_popescu: but yes, "ffa mostly exists to show you that no, you actually DO NOT have a leg there".
mircea_popescu: for the country of the lame that somehow convinced themselves "it's man's nature to hop -- if god wanted man to walk he'd have given him wings"
mircea_popescu: "then we could have cut one off at birth and walked on one leg and one wing like it were the future!"
mircea_popescu: there's one thing it can't express too well (well here means -- in such a way as to guaranteedly and inescapably inconvenience EVERYONE) and that is, a certain notion of finality.
mircea_popescu: middle management likes "byte" for the same reason it likes excel.
mircea_popescu: it's a subtle point this, i dun have useful expression yet. in time.
mircea_popescu: oh, im convinced it's a natural problem. like you know, 2yo taking a bath in the sink, holding on to your thumb with all its might.
mircea_popescu: what are you going to do, say to it "bitch, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DROWN IN THE FUCKING SINK, RELAX ALREADY1!11" ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:37 caaddr: "WARNING: MAY STILL CONTAIN DANGEROUS LEVELS OF SANITY". yes, just a joke. it would be nice to handle them as an exercise in hardware archaeology
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:40 asciilifeform: phf: you gotta put this in proper essay form sometime
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 21:30 mircea_popescu: in a sense you convict yourself to ricochet.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774395 << what i don't understand is how i can have the same conversation ~with ascii~ over and over again and still he'd be repeating the same original stuff. i don't think it's a question of my blog here, unless you're saying that me saying things in log have no merit because i don't have a blog post to back it up with. this is a novel take by the way, because log used to be canon
☝︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: caaddr: get a stable connection if you're going to hang around
trinque: phf: I dunno it's that; I could pick out plenty of examples of "trinque said!!" from the log. I think it's just a huge amount of information by now.
trinque has much to improve in teh blog category as well
phf: aight, these are fair points
phf: hmm, that's a relevant point to original "blog it!" because looking for those threads is work :> certainly more work than searching through own blog
☟︎ ben_vulpes: > required materials: two mid-2000s laptops (... Max Armor = 6 laptops)
ben_vulpes: nice thing about that email is that whoever's behind it can be expected to know what #trilema is
☟︎ jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
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trinque: got a list of those supermicros anywhere?
BingoBoingo: trinque: They sent pricing information for one machine, will forward to you after sober time
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 16:29 asciilifeform: !!rate diana_coman 3 industrial FG user; adatronicist; ffa reader
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 20:32 ben_vulpes: nice thing about that email is that whoever's behind it can be expected to know what #trilema is
deedbot: emmylark voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: 18M visits in the last 24 hours seems a bit tall
ben_vulpes: this is vastly lower dough scammatronics than cardanocoin
a111: Logged on 2018-01-18 04:36 mircea_popescu: crypto ag is zug-erstrasse, 6312 gubel, swizerland.
ben_vulpes: research-first academics behind cardano demand turkeybuxx
ben_vulpes: cardanocoin demands what, at least a half a galweegian for two quarters, with the corp markup that's a hundred k at least
ben_vulpes: yes well that latter bit is a grand self-crit
ben_vulpes: i woulda expected you to be able to sniff order-of-magnitude difference in plagiaristic works; swoopy css ain't cheap
ben_vulpes: pre-expense profits of 10MM, generously
shinohai: No wait, thats the old link hurrr