mircea_popescu: douchebag got a blog or anything ?
douchebag: Yeah, I sent it to you previous
mircea_popescu: spyked well, i expect the ivf of ye olde library was epsilon. as alf says, "entomologist only". because wtf do they have, a story of two scytales ? tyvm, it's obsolete.
mircea_popescu: douchebag link ?
douchebag: https://medium.com/@0xHyde
mircea_popescu: a right medium. i mean YOURS. like, you know, trilema.
mircea_popescu: not on some "platform" that'll "turn it off" the moment you no longer serve their bosses.
douchebag: Oh no, not yet I'll throw something up the next time I find something interesting to blog about. Currently I'm using medium as a way to get better known in the community
mircea_popescu: is it working ?
douchebag: Actually yes it is, I've seen a number of people who reposted my medium blog on a few websites other than medium. The people who are reposting this found my blog post through medium and shared it elsewhere
mircea_popescu: cool then.
douchebag: However, if I just were to have my own blog on my own website it would be a bit more difficult for people to find it until I am better known in the community
mircea_popescu: i can see the logic.
mircea_popescu: got twitter and whatnot too ?
douchebag: yes
douchebag: I only use my Twitter for infosec related stuff
douchebag: I've learned a ridiculous amount about infosec and met some extremely talented people by following security researchers on twitter.
mircea_popescu: good for you
douchebag: I think the next thing I'm going to blog about is this: http://kb.pulsesecure.net/articles/Pulse_Security_Advisories/SA43018/?q=RDP&l=en_US&fs=RelatedArticle
shinohai: http://archive.is/s0ZIM "We apologize for this breach and will do all in our power to ensure that it never happens again." #sfyl
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo how the hell can that thing contain NO numeric characters ?! do it properly, x - y - z - k = q. << I appologize. I got drunk last night and rushed the report in order to get my ass into an AA meeting.
BingoBoingo: I had been slacking on meeting to get more Spanish conversation in, and when the pretty girl offered me a beer in her place there was no resistance.
BingoBoingo: The only serious cost discovered so far has been to my sanity.
mircea_popescu: heh
BingoBoingo: I woke up at 9:30 this morning in a fat chick's bed. I didn't know those existed here. Today had been a day of confusion, convalescence, and doubt.
mircea_popescu: hey, what dun kill ye makes ye fatter...
shinohai: Fatties need love too BingoBoingo bwahahahaha
trinque: !#s from:BingoBoingo fat
a111: 167 results for "from:BingoBoingo fat", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3ABingoBoingo%20fat
trinque chortles mightily
mircea_popescu: got his comeuppance did he
BingoBoingo: It has been a serious blow to the confidence reserve, but it has been a aid to the nofap challenge LATAM edition
mircea_popescu: dun sweat it too much bb, everyone enjoys fucking a fat girl now and again.
BingoBoingo: But I did find a local AA sponsor at the meeting tonight. In the interim my sweat hasn't smelled this bad since the first time I sobered up.
shinohai: The more you fuck, the more calories she burns, so actually you are doing her a favor.
trinque: goebbels is allowed to bang jewish chicks so long as he whistles Deutschlandlied during
mircea_popescu: wait, you actually got drunk ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yes
BingoBoingo: Hence injury to the sanity
mircea_popescu: tsk.
shinohai: !~step1
jhvh1: 1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
shinohai: It's still there for you BB
BingoBoingo: Being in LATAM and full of gringo confidence I slacked on my recovery. Going forward the talking to pretty girls time budget is going to have to take some cuts to make more room for talking to old men about feelings.
mircea_popescu: heh
BingoBoingo: I feel sufficiently bodily ill to have a strong awareness that if it happens again my life, in LATAM and in general will probably be short.
mircea_popescu: it's a relatively easy place to get by as an aa, they're not really heavy drinkers. just say no and that's that.
BingoBoingo: That has worked so far, until the pretty girl invited me to her place and she met my "no" with a gentle tease.
mircea_popescu: you can still go lol, just you know... coffee.
BingoBoingo: Apologies for the brainmush lemme disambiguate: That has worked so far, until the pretty girl who invited me to her place offered a beer and she met my "no" with a series of gentle teases. Since I was in her home when my dick asked "what's the worst that could happen" my brain wasn't ready to answer with "Look at all these other pretty girls"
BingoBoingo: Probably just need to get better at screening girls
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in thje park, http://78.media.tumblr.com/0088fa380b23340775125404c1ae5a2b/tumblr_oe3yz2YBze1trzasto1_1280.png
BingoBoingo: Brb, making coffee and reading a book of substantial size y entonces me voy a dormir.
mircea_popescu: entonces is then as in, right then. then as in, afterwards is despues or whatever.
BingoBoingo: gracias
BingoBoingo: They use it and "Este" as verbal pauses here
BingoBoingo: The fine points of usage are harder for me to discern when 90% of the time I hear a word it is because Latinos fear not hearing their own voice.
hanbot: ahaha that's dead-on
shinohai hears a woman squealing "QUE LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNDOOOOOOOOOOOO" in the loudest voice possible.
phf: BingoBoingo> [21:10:34] gracias
phf: err
phf: BingoBoingo: one day at a time
lobbes: !Qsarchive
lobbesbot: lobbes: (sarchive <text>) -- Search TMSR archives for 'text'; Click here for a list of known domains: http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view_domains.php
lobbes: ^^ list of known domains added
lobbes: target=blank added on external archive links (links to archive.is) as well
lobbes: Now, finally, ready to begin baking item #3 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768934☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 06:25 lobbes: Top three things I need to do next: 1) set up automated updating of the reporting database the thing sits on (currently 'stale' data). 2) set up lobbesbot to similarly search via IRC commands 3) Zip distribution system!
shinohai: neato lobbes !
lobbes: ty shinohai
mircea_popescu: !!up coingecko
deedbot: coingecko voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: whoa lobbes that's pretty fab.
mircea_popescu: !Qsarchive pantsuit
lobbesbot: 23 results for "pantsuit", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=pantsuit&sortby=
mircea_popescu: this is fucking rad.
mircea_popescu: !Qsarchive cunt
lobbesbot: 31 results for "cunt", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=cunt&sortby=
lobbes: :D
mircea_popescu slowclaps.
ben_vulpes: wow a republican search engine no fucking way
ben_vulpes: !Qsarchive fuckgoats
lobbesbot: 17 results for "fuckgoats", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=fuckgoats&sortby=
mircea_popescu: does this guy rock or what!
trinque: wd lobbes!
ben_vulpes: eyy lobbes how do i get me blog in there
mircea_popescu: aaand in other http://trilema.com/2016/i-dont-think-you-understand-how-credit-cards-work/ , http://78.media.tumblr.com/3ab87e3147d951bba3bf88b5d0e6cac2/tumblr_npr8ursIac1romx5eo2_400.gif
lobbes: ty all. I'm happy to sap
lobbes: ben_vulpes, should be in there no?
mircea_popescu: it just follows chan neh ?
lobbes: !Qsarchive cascadianhacker
lobbesbot: 1323 results for "cascadianhacker", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=cascadianhacker&sortby=
mircea_popescu: !Qsarchive cascadian
lobbesbot: 1323 results for "cascadian", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=cascadian&sortby=
lobbes: I think the wotpastes muddle it up a bit
ben_vulpes: !Qsarchive FUCKGOATS
lobbesbot: 17 results for "FUCKGOATS", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=FUCKGOATS&sortby=
lobbes: note to self: make a way to -exclude- a term from a search
ben_vulpes: oh so it only searches urls its archived that's right
lobbes: that is correct
ben_vulpes: super nifty
lobbes: anything dropped in this chan (historical walk also done back to ~2012)
lobbes: soon it'll accept bulk requests to archive / download archived items, but for now only way is via chan (#eulora also snarfed, ftr)
mircea_popescu: im not even sure that's a good idea.
mircea_popescu: if not worth reading then... not worth reading.
lobbes: I can see that logic
mod6: ooh lemme check it out
mod6: !Qsarchive trb
lobbesbot: 85 results for "trb", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=trb&sortby=
ben_vulpes: lobbes: naively i'd expect http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=fuckgoats&sortby= to have a link to my fuckgoats testing post
ben_vulpes: because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-21#1727515☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-21 23:27 deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/fuckgoats-testing << CH - FUCKGOATS testing
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i think it checks title not full page text
mod6: lobbes: nice work!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it's in the title!
lobbes: ty mod6
mircea_popescu: !#s "cascadianh"
a111: 1803 results for "\"cascadianh\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22cascadianh%22
lobbes: ben_vulpes, yeah, atm it just searches the url only
mod6: thanks for putting that together, very cool
mod6: & useful
mircea_popescu: http://cascadianhacker.com/fuckgoats-testing << indeed
ben_vulpes: bing's in there but noooo love for me lobbes, i see how it is :P
mircea_popescu: lel
lobbes: hm. damn I'ma look into this one
ben_vulpes just getting back from an entire weekend spent away from term
ben_vulpes: minor nits aside it's pretty awesome lobbes
ben_vulpes: one day at a time, BingoBoingo
lobbes: minor nits are welcome. Helps me fine tune the ol' process. But glad folx find useful
mircea_popescu: lobbes implement a (paid) full text search, you'll be ahead of archive.is, amazon's webarchive and EVERYONE else.
lobbes: !Qsarchive cascadianhacker.com/fuckgoats-testing
lobbesbot: 3 results for "cascadianhacker.com/fuckgoats-testing", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=cascadianhacker.com/fuckgoats-testing&sortby=
lobbes: ^ fixed
mircea_popescu: meter the resources as you do it, cpu time/disk io, whatever is your concern. then bill the person, and store the bill, so you can present it in the future ("the previous three bills average X, so you have an idea how much)
lobbes: mircea_popescu, ah good idea on the making it a paid service. mats had suggested a context search to me earlier
lobbes: *content search
mircea_popescu: see how much you actually pay for tyhe resources, charge 2x that for your time, and if you end up ddosed just... buy more hardware.
mircea_popescu: path to happy riches.
mircea_popescu dreams of a future of searchable images, because proper svgs.
lobbes: yeah, I'm thinking eventually I will need to take advantage of TBI at some point. But currently very low overhead (home laptop with ssd + cheap VPSen)
lobbes: will see how much bandwidth starts running once the zip delivery is operational
mircea_popescu: cool
ben_vulpes: !!rate lobbes 3 search
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ELfSt/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: !!v 4D399AF0A1C9309A196BFE763EC70AB8DA3A0CEAB215A598219201F6C73CBC81
deedbot: ben_vulpes rated lobbes 3 << search
lobbes: ty Herr Vulpes
mircea_popescu: trinque adding thetarpit.org to teh rssing ?
trinque: I can sure
mircea_popescu: coo
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/064-interests.html << The Tar Pit - Things that interest me; things that don't interest me
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/065-eu-at-the-end.html << The Tar Pit - The European Union at the end: a chronicle
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/066-samurai-jack.html << The Tar Pit - Samurai Jack
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/067-brazil.html << The Tar Pit - Brazil
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/068-the-story-of-the-citadel.html << The Tar Pit - The story of the citadel on the hill, by a thicket
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/069-on-intellectual-ownership.html << The Tar Pit - On intellectual ownership
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/06a-ffa-ch4-puzzle.html << The Tar Pit - A solution to the largest-of-seven FFACalc puzzle
trinque: burp
trinque has been going down memory lane today, re-reading trb patches and finally sticking sig on them.
trinque taps out for now. history file's coming along; I've got about 7 patches left to reread and write up.
trinque: once done I'll post to blog, and hopefully patch authors can add detail.
hanbot: fun with vdiff & svgs: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/23nK0/?raw=true
hanbot regards error with distant incredulity
mod6: huh
mircea_popescu: oh good grief
asciilifeform: Too many open files << gold medal eggog
asciilifeform has yet to achieve this marvel
mircea_popescu: i hope open source comes and rescues us from this shitpile.
mircea_popescu: o... wait...
mircea_popescu: welcome, all, to the wonderful world of computers which nobody has ever used before for any purpose whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: it's "could have had, that's just as good" all the way down!
asciilifeform: hanbot: ulimit -n 99999999
trinque: if that doesn't work try 100000000 and so on
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22bdb%22+%22locks%22
asciilifeform: how'd this situation come about, even
asciilifeform: i can see how with , e.g., phuctor key export. but wordpress ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773825 << i gotta bite this bait -- how does mircea_popescu picture this item ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 04:57 mircea_popescu dreams of a future of searchable images, because proper svgs.
mircea_popescu: "all images with a curve like THIS"
asciilifeform: aa
hanbot: no onboard ulimit, no package found, heh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: np-complete
mircea_popescu: pffff!
asciilifeform: hanbot: take the ubuntu, and walk it behind the shed, and shoot it
asciilifeform: it's worthless, it only wastes time
asciilifeform: alternatively, cat 99999999 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max
asciilifeform: err,
trinque: probably she's just not root, and wasn't in path
asciilifeform: alternatively, echo "99999999" > /proc/sys/fs/file-max
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform try prlimit ?
trinque: how would it not have ulimit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform trinque you'd be surprised how many of these exist!
asciilifeform: trinque: ubuntu, this wonderful thing, is missing ~all utils of any use
asciilifeform: iirc even sha512sum
trinque: oh hm, it's a shell builtin even
trinque: maybe it's running duplosh
mircea_popescu: iirc it just edits something in /etc/security/limits.conf ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773642 << i gotta reveal the terrible troof here : nobody's here into soap bubble penetration testing either... nor tissue paper, nor plastic bags.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 23:04 douchebag: Does anyone else in this chat into web application pentesting?
trinque: pentesting women otoh
trinque: though iirc Framedragger was lost into that one never to be seen again
asciilifeform: iirc he came up for air but only brief gurgle came out of him
asciilifeform: then swallowed by the current.
asciilifeform: !#seen Framedragger
a111: 2017-10-06 <Framedragger> yes but someone committing to the project without having the necessary time is not far away from malice, imho
mircea_popescu: moar like clubtesting, but anyway
mod6: <+hanbot> no onboard ulimit, no package found, heh. << it is a huge pain to get a ulimit set on these mclinux boxes. but after seriously, a bunch of trial and error, I was able to get it to work.
mod6: I don't have the incantation in front of me at the moment... but if you would like it, I can dig it up for you tomorrow.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773676 << lol, experiencepointsism☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 23:26 douchebag: Thanks man, I've been spending a lot of my time focusing on security research and helping others get involved in the InfoSec community. I have a pretty decent resume compared to most people I go to college with because I have a pretty decent amount of experience, and when it comes to InfoSec jobs experience is probably the most important factor for most employers
asciilifeform: any way i read that sentence, it makes for dark thoughts
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> iirc it just edits something in /etc/security/limits.conf ? << off the top of my head, that's only like 50% of it. there is at least one other thing that needs to be set/configured too.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773685 << if this is about the 'integer retardation' issue, the 1 thing it quite definitively had 0 to do with , is gcc5 : which did not exist in the era of 0.5.3 , nor did it exist in my stator or rotor setups☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 23:56 spyked looked at the patch. admits to not being able to compile an example with gcc 4.9 nor 5; so there's probably more to it, e.g. C++ voodoo. I'm curious of asciilifeform's answer
trinque: I am not putting a negative in the history file
asciilifeform: but aside from that , i do not know the seekrit of why it was an issue
trinque will continue to dig
trinque: it's been a great exercise, since the histfile demands rationale.
trinque: beyond "well and then it worked"
asciilifeform: pretty sure it was the end of a lengthy thread
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-02#1083376 << illustration of building without said fix☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-04-02 01:00 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000080.html
asciilifeform: or hm, nm, wrong thread,
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-01#1082420☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-04-01 18:28 ascii_field: result.push_back(Pair("coinbasevalue", (int64_t)pblock->vtx[0].vout[0].nValue));
asciilifeform: aaaha that's it
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in candlelit dinners, http://78.media.tumblr.com/683576cef5916a6bb35ba3b3f64921e2/tumblr_nww1w8NATM1uo6u6mo1_1280.jpg
hanbot: file-max futzing as graciously put on example above resulted in zero change of error, fwiw. will check out mod6's pill when available (no rush).
mircea_popescu: for the record, that dijkstra piece on "radical" bla bla is so fucking idiotic...
mircea_popescu: "Coping with radical novelty requires an orthogonal method. One must consider one's own past, the experiences collected, and the habits formed in it as an unfortunate accident of history, and one has to approach the radical novelty with a blank mind, consciously refusing to try to link it with what is already familiar, because the familiar is hopelessly inadequate." << this never was, and absolutely never will be the case. mo
mircea_popescu: reover, the pretense to the contrary and the "blank mind" humanist wank is strictly the path to insanity.
shinohai: !!up emmylark
deedbot: emmylark voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: Greetings emmylark
diana_coman: wtf Taleb's"foreword to the book by Saifedean Ammous" on medium.com apparently: https://medium.com/@nntaleb/bitcoin-1537e616a074#---0-337
shinohai: Owned by the crowd?
diana_coman: I really can't begin to understand what exactly is that; some gems in there too with organisation making silk-purse out of a sow's ear and "every participant has the option to be that player" and ...
diana_coman: maybe it makes more sense to someone else
shinohai: "hick-ups" <<< Is this supposed to be the bumpkin version of "hiccough" ?
shinohai: I expected more from an academic.
diana_coman: to be fair it sounds like a rushed caught-in-the-hallway-had-to-say-something piece
diana_coman: !!up caaddr
deedbot: caaddr voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_coman: hello caaddr
shinohai: Greeting caaddr
caaddr: hi diana_coman, shinohai
caaddr: I've been working on Chapter 1 of the ffalib guide
diana_coman: what's the problem/question caaddr ?
caaddr: I'm trying to follow the instructions precisely, and that has included not using gcc-5.x or above. I'm just using the standard gnat-4 package in debian which is linked to the gcc-4 package, and I've noticed these are a bit out of date
caaddr: having browsed the logs of #trilema I've found that I'm not the only one who has run into issues:
caaddr: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742619☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 17:55 whaack: asciilifeform: gnat1: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-fdump-scos’ when I try gprbuild. gnat version 4.6 gcc version 4.8.4. I removed the command line option from the gpr file since it seemed to be just used for coverage tools. Then got error prefix of "Image" attribute must be a type in 3 places in blocks.adb
caaddr: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745440☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 02:16 mod6: asciilifeform: my gprbuild threw some errors like "invalid restriction identifier "No_Implicit_Protected_Object_Allocations"" : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JKdvZ/?raw=true
diana_coman: aha; tbh you are best off using adacore's tools
caaddr: so I've created a vpatch for both of these issues, which makes the genesis Chapter 1 code work with gnat-4
shinohai: I believe mod6 told ne he got it running on deb, I haven't tried
diana_coman: cool
diana_coman: wait, you created a vpatch for ..ffa?
diana_coman: I suppose asciilifeform will want to have a look at them perhaps ; I'm not sure though I see a point in changing ffa to fit whatever gnat4 wants though
diana_coman: anyways caaddr do you have a blog?
diana_coman: upload the patches there + discussion as to why and what; link to asciilifeform's ch1 ffa and you're done
diana_coman: !!up caaddr
deedbot: caaddr voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_coman: !!key caaddr
deedbot: Not registered.
caaddr: thanks, sorry about that
caaddr: yes, I created a vpatch. I'm happy to add my key to deedbot too
diana_coman: caaddr, register a key please so we know it's you next time
caaddr: certainly
asciilifeform: caaddr: what os are you using ?
caaddr: asciilifeform: Debian 8
caaddr: I've registered my key with deedbot now
diana_coman: !!key caaddr
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/87E7CA4CEB024766F7FFD3733F04CDC412DFE2FF.asc
diana_coman: !!rate caaddr 1 ffa reader
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eGnIZ/?raw=true
diana_coman: !!v 63112D55B65E5DEECA35DEF2255B054FAB8B3CB477A9F53743BA3D672178CC98
deedbot: diana_coman rated caaddr 1 << ffa reader
diana_coman: caaddr, you should be able to voice yourself from now on
diana_coman: !!down caaddr
asciilifeform: caaddr: and what ~exact~ ver of gnat ?
asciilifeform: ( there is no such thing as 'gnat-4' )
asciilifeform: and also i think at this point i will declare gpl-gnat to be a work of wreckers. it has zero upsides over adacore's, and a million breakages , large and small.
asciilifeform: it exists strictly so that people cannot easily build just about any nontrivial ada proggy.
asciilifeform: if anyone has a counter-argument, now is the time. otherwise ch9 will contain a 'don't use gcc-gnat' preface.
diana_coman: from my own experience with adacore and with gnat, I tend to agree with asciilifeform's evaluation there ^^
diana_coman: !!up caaddr
deedbot: caaddr voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: this would seem to create the unpleasant situation of having just 1 adatron. but it is not clear to me that there ever were 2. there was only adacore and broken-adacore (aka gcc-gnat)
caaddr: GNATMAKE 4.9.2 is the answer to the now redundant question. I'll use adacore instead. I had avoided this because it contains precompiled binaries, with no independent reproducible build certification
diana_coman: caaddr, say here steps + failure when you tried to !!up yourself
caaddr: I said "!!up" to deedbot in pm, and it replied "You must be registered."
asciilifeform: caaddr: and gcc-ada had reproducible build ?! where?
caaddr: I get the same output with "!!up caaddr"
caaddr: it didn't, but I thought source would be available
asciilifeform: ALL gnats require an existing gnat binary in order to build.
asciilifeform: caaddr: adacore's src is also posted
caaddr: oh, I remember the gnat ouroboros from the logs now
asciilifeform: ( it won't build without an existing working copy of their gnat, exactly like the gcc fork's )
caaddr: Ken Thompson hack ahoy
asciilifeform: caaddr: this is why you disasm and audit the bin before deploying to the rocket
caaddr: it would be nice to bootstrap an entire operating system from machine code to forth to some strange mix of forth and ada, ada, then tinyscheme, and finally a sane common lisp subset
asciilifeform: in adaland this is standard.
asciilifeform: caaddr: this is much harder than it appears
caaddr: surely not. you just need "a steady hand and a magnetized needle" ;)
asciilifeform: if you want to actually do it, rather than simply pretend, that is
asciilifeform: problem is that you always end up with something resembling gcc
asciilifeform: i.e. massive turd , sufficiently complex as to be as opaque as any binturd
caaddr: I wonder how early in such a stack you would add the kind of compile time protections that ada guarantees. compile time protections seem to be the hardest thing to keep a programming language at "fits in head" size
caaddr: I suppose you would prefer hardware-only optimizations in any case, so ideally they would not be part of the software stack at all. compilation for performance as caching only
asciilifeform: correct.
caaddr: compared to compilation as a *software transformation device*, which I consider a different case: that is for automating levers, not running your program off of a cliff faster than before
diana_coman: caaddr, previous similar problem with key+deedbot was due to expired key as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721390☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 18:54 trinque: apeloyee: gpg: BAD04B14A4545828FABCE63C3DB30625393C0BB1: skipped: unusable public key << gpg has this to say about your fp
diana_coman: if it's not that the trouble here too, trinque might help
caaddr: my public key has no expiry date, "pgpdump 87E7CA4CEB024766F7FFD3733F04CDC412DFE2FF.asc | grep exp"
caaddr: so I'll hold out for trinque. thank you
caaddr: for now just remember: cdr twice, then car twice. anybody else is an impostor ;)
asciilifeform: caaddr: re earlier, i'll say this : if a sane os and sane compiler cannot be ~small~ on a given iron, the iron design is ipso facto defective.
caaddr: so you'd need a carry flag, unlike RISC-V, at least? :)
asciilifeform: forget carry flag, even : native bignum.
caaddr: did SCHEME-79 have native bignum?
asciilifeform: ffa should not even be necessary, on sane iron
asciilifeform: scheme79 was a prototype, did not even have an alu!
caaddr: oh...
caaddr: I think I remember from the paper that only two of the actual pressed irons even worked. I wonder what happened to them?
caaddr: probably locked in a drawer somewhere, lest the world learn from them
asciilifeform: prolly hanging on some senile bureucrat's wall
caaddr: :)
asciilifeform: i dunno why you would need the dies, to learn from
asciilifeform: whole thing iirc was published.
caaddr: "WARNING: MAY STILL CONTAIN DANGEROUS LEVELS OF SANITY". yes, just a joke. it would be nice to handle them as an exercise in hardware archaeology
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773848 << i've shared a version of vdiff in logs that fixed that issue, because the issue is of course there. i believe the comment was "not oneliner!!1"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 05:26 hanbot: fun with vdiff & svgs: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/23nK0/?raw=true
asciilifeform: learning anything from dies is veeery expensive, see the microscopy thread.
caaddr: but AIM-559 has the details
caaddr: I enjoyed the long series of posts where a gentleman reverse engineered the 6502 die photograph, drawing the schematic from the photo
caaddr: that chip was about the same era. it's certainly doable, but a chore unless you have significant passion for the subject
asciilifeform: caaddr: that was the latest, afaik, fully reversed from die ( publicly, that is ) ic
asciilifeform: and we're talking vintage of 1973 or so
caaddr: perhaps one day we'll be able to hang up a poster of the transistors that caused the FDIV bug
phf: scheme-79 is not "whole thing published", which is something that i said in the logs multiple times also. there's AI memoes of variying detali, but the actual toolset, something called daedalus, and the corresponding daedalus files that actually describe the chip, are nowhere to be found. also dies will not be particularly interesting because the whole point of daedalus was semi assisted layout
asciilifeform: phf: you gotta put this in proper essay form sometime
asciilifeform: i.e. what exactly was censored from it
asciilifeform: aah
phf: there was nothing "censored", it's just what was published are abstracts. litereally just reading corresponding AIMs will show you that you can't literally rebuild the cpu from them
asciilifeform: i suspect that daedalus became ns .
phf: daedalus and ns are completely unrelated pieces. NS is an older tool for laying out PALs
asciilifeform: nope, the bolix ns
asciilifeform: what i meant is, betcha the daedalus tool ended up mit'd and 'licensed' out for money etc . and ended up going down with the bolix ship.
phf: oh sure in a sense that daedalus was part of the IP packet
asciilifeform: there's a reason why no sane ic layout, photoprocessing, etc tools exist today, and whole stack is a TB+ of winblowz liquishit for which foundries get charged $mils
asciilifeform: and that reason is mit. and mallery.
caaddr: and then there was Chuck's OKAD...
phf: but note symbolics were still running a CADR internally
asciilifeform: caaddr: afaik not fully published ( in the can build fab immediately sense ) either
caaddr: didn't LMI branch off somewhat and create more innovative hardware?
asciilifeform: phf: aha
asciilifeform: caaddr: afaik lmi never actually fabbed a chip at all
asciilifeform: caaddr: they shipped massive box of discretes .
caaddr: discretes? amusing
asciilifeform: well they sold cadr clone
phf: lmi also stayed closer to CADR for longer. at the very least later versions of S
phf: of SYSTEM has a bunch of #+lmi conditionals long after genera went closed source
caaddr: it's this that I was thinking of:
caaddr: http://fare.tunes.org/tmp/emergent/kmachine.htm
asciilifeform: lmi iirc never was able to build even one unit of their non-cadr machine
caaddr: "Unlike other Lisp Machines, the K-machine is not descended from Tom Knight's original CONS architecture; the K-machine is an original design."
caaddr: "After a period of time, when no investors were found, the material assets of Gigamos, including the K-machine board sets, specifications, schematics, and printed circuit artwork were sold for salvage to Eli Hefron and Sons in Cambridge, MA. I purchased these materials from Eli Hefron and Sons and they are currently in my possession."
caaddr: so Joe Marshall has what's left
asciilifeform: caaddr: some yrs ago, i convinced marshall to publish all he had
asciilifeform: it should still be floating around somewhere, coupla GB
asciilifeform: it does not add up to a working machine.
caaddr: would like to find it, did not know about it
asciilifeform: caaddr: if it's gone from the net, i'll stand up a mirror ( as soon as i have where to; currently between isps )
caaddr: thanks!
phf: asciilifeform: hey you mind pasting current version of vdiff?
caaddr: I just found https://sites.google.com/site/evalapply/
asciilifeform: the problem with attempting to resurrect 1980s 'big iron' designs, however, is the unavailability of various formerly common ( and quite painful to emulate items ), e.g.,
asciilifeform: !#s weitek
a111: 4 results for "weitek", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=weitek
caaddr: presumably it hasn't changed from this, phf? http://deedbot.org/deed-372115-1.txt
phf: ty
asciilifeform: comfirmed , mine is same , phf
asciilifeform: *confirmed
asciilifeform: !!up caaddr
deedbot: caaddr voiced for 30 minutes.
caaddr: thanks. hope trinque can fix that. I did try "!!up" again myself
caaddr: fun story: I tried to use vdiff with the busybox version of awk. this did not end with smiles and sunshine and laughter
asciilifeform: typical unixism
asciilifeform: the only actual standard in whole fucking machine is the mains cord.
asciilifeform: erything else thinks it has the right to do whatever .
caaddr: even the power *switches*
asciilifeform: aha.
phf: caaddr: my personal issue with resurrecting all these lisp machine architectures is that Genera really is the only interesting platform to build upon, and there's not enough source/details available ~at all~ to actually rebuild a genera system from first principles.
caaddr: the full source is available, is it not?
asciilifeform: nope
phf: no.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
caaddr: I thought I torrented a full system once upon a time
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10801.73, vol: 13707.95989220 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10718.0, vol: 56369.14332746 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10828.1, vol: 4766.66950677 | Volume-weighted last average: 10740.347588
asciilifeform: caaddr: torrent was an install disk. with partial source.
phf: all these things are reddit available "oh i saw link and played with it". try ~actually~ ~rebuilding~ a genera system from source code
caaddr: oh, that was OpenGenera too, the RISCised version
asciilifeform: caaddr: it was ordinary genera, but came with a dec alpha emulator for the machine
phf: shit, try cold booting a genera system, rebuilding the FEP, etc. you'll discover that those are non-trivial tasks requiring expert knowledge. that knowledge can be gained from what we have though, but it'll take you weeks or months to get there
caaddr: sure, it was millions of lines of code wasn't it?
asciilifeform: worse is that we have nfi what the actual work of the fep ( other than in very approximate terms ) was
caaddr: and who-knows-how-many lisp engineer man hours
phf: and like cmucl puts it "rebuilding cmucl is not an exact science"
caaddr: anyway, see how sad the state of affairs is? we can't even reproduce the technology of the early 1980s, whereas we ought to have had nearly three decades now of advancement in this area
asciilifeform: the bolix arch itself, was never publicly documented. even something like the instruction set, is not fully known publicly
asciilifeform: or what existed on the bus, and where, also unknown
caaddr: instead we have... what do we have? we have the blockchain but we're still using dns. we have common lisp but we're still using scheme, or, worse, clojure. we have ada but we're using rust. "we" being "we the people", as in the redditoid masses
asciilifeform: hey and 'we have plumbing' but 'we' still shit between two bricks on the ground. in rural redit^H^H^Hindia that is
asciilifeform: i dun give much of a fuck what 'reddit we' do or do not.
caaddr: sure, but I'm just lamenting the negative differential of the progress curve. what are the big discoveries since 1990?
caaddr: luby soliton, what else?
caaddr: blockchain, naturally
phf: bolockchain
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: there's been no significant discoveries, in 80s or 90s.
asciilifeform: ( transistor massage is not 'discovery' )
caaddr: wasn't the treap invented in the 1980s?
caaddr: and a few other lisp-aware structures
asciilifeform: massage.
caaddr: so you're saying it's even worse than I thought? ;)
asciilifeform: likely.
asciilifeform: the microcomputer was a massive step back, not merely technically ( that'd be fixable ) but sociopolitically.
asciilifeform: !!up caaddr
deedbot: caaddr voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: it led to microshit, konsoomerization, 'eternal september', all of these 'joys' that we still live in.
asciilifeform bbl
mod6: <+caaddr> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745440 << fwiw, in the end the version that worked for me, requiring no changes to alf's code was Adacore 2016.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 02:16 mod6: asciilifeform: my gprbuild threw some errors like "invalid restriction identifier "No_Implicit_Protected_Object_Allocations"" : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JKdvZ/?raw=true
caaddr: thanks mod6. I'm installing Adacore now
mod6: yup, np
deedbot: << BARKS IN THE WIND - vdiff fixes
phf: oh huh
phf: ^ hanbot
caaddr: success building Ch1 with Adacore 2016
mod6: hanbot: here's what I have currently running on an Ubuntu 14.04 box. I believe this to be all that is required, you can change the values as required, but I think one catch that I found is that root's ulimit needed to be set just a bit higher than the non-root user.
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/O7tGi/?raw=true
mod6: so in that case the hard nofile limit for root gets set to 2000000, and the soft to 1500000 and hanbot's get set to 1000000 each hard/soft. And then that one line is required in common-session.
mod6: it was a royal pita to get it to work... hopefully what I've posted here will work for you, others.
mod6: !Qsarchive p.bvulpes.com
lobbesbot: 653 results for "p.bvulpes.com", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=p.bvulpes.com&sortby=
mod6: it's not in there yet, but this is so awesome.
mod6: does it snarf like once per day lobbes?
ave1: re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773970, it seems that gcc simply lags behind and a releases version will never be updated / fixed to newer adacore releases. AdaCore 2014 also cannot build FFA from the box☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:19 asciilifeform: and also i think at this point i will declare gpl-gnat to be a work of wreckers. it has zero upsides over adacore's, and a million breakages , large and small.
ave1: nobody outside of adacore seems to work on gnat GCC, so yes single version...
asciilifeform: ave1: it still is quite unclear to me, why 'gcc-gnat' exists.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774125 << phf neato. mod6 : prolly this oughta go instead of the old one, in trb www.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 15:23 deedbot: << BARKS IN THE WIND - vdiff fixes
mod6: asciilifeform: noted. i'll update it once i get a chance to test whatever this is ^
asciilifeform: mod6: it's the pill for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773848 .☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 05:26 hanbot: fun with vdiff & svgs: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/23nK0/?raw=true
mod6: yeah, i know. :] just want to test it first.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774075 << fix what☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:53 caaddr: thanks. hope trinque can fix that. I did try "!!up" again myself
asciilifeform: trinque: any idea why caaddr wasn't able to !!up himself, despite having been rated ?
trinque: maybe he can use his words and say what he tried
asciilifeform: !!up caaddr
deedbot: caaddr voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: hey caaddr !
trinque: how many times have noobs said deedbot didn't work, and how many times have they been right?
asciilifeform: there doesn't appear to be anything peculiar about his key.
asciilifeform: ( no expir date, or the like )
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/cZFhM/?raw=true << pgpdump -i , ftr
asciilifeform: !!gettrust caaddr
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
asciilifeform: waiwat
asciilifeform: how does this square with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773965☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:18 deedbot: diana_coman rated caaddr 1 << ffa reader
trinque: dude.
asciilifeform: what am i missing, trinque ?
asciilifeform: !!reputation caaddr
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iIiu2/?raw=true
asciilifeform: oh hm
trinque: you have not rated diana_coman !
asciilifeform: !!rate diana_coman 3 industrial FG user; adatronicist; ffa reader
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/c4XZ4/?raw=true
asciilifeform: !!v A75C544B3C282C8AD6CAFED86640A890C3CABE73B94773FC518F0B39F589FA47
deedbot: asciilifeform rated diana_coman 3 << industrial FG user; adatronicist; ffa reader
asciilifeform: trinque: loox like that was it, lol.
asciilifeform: ( still doesn't explain why he couldn't voice. but possibly his own mistake, somewhere.. )
trinque: ftr I will never "fix that". noob either says exactly what he did and helps me reproduce it, or gets ignored. I'm not comcast customer support.
asciilifeform: fair'nuff
asciilifeform doesn't 'fix that's either
asciilifeform: !~later tell ave1 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774137 << re the 2014 : any particular reason aside from the contents of restrict.adc and the gpr's flags ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 16:04 ave1: re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773970, it seems that gcc simply lags behind and a releases version will never be updated / fixed to newer adacore releases. AdaCore 2014 also cannot build FFA from the box
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: gnat has a deliberately brittle behaviour re the restriction pragmas -- if you use one it doesn't know about, it barfs. ( and i'm not even convinced that this is wrong. half of the appeal of ada is that it takes 'postel's law', rips off its head, and fucks the stump )
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482737 << see also )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 14:25 asciilifeform: did we ever do a 'postel's law not only considered harmful but a disaster of epic proportions, quite comparable to leaded petrol' thread ?
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-11#1366621 << in particular. and elsewhere. )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-01-11 17:02 ascii_butugychag: the few precious things that ACTUALLY WORK, consistently, every time - your cpu's adder, the bus, etc. SHIT on postel.
ave1: Yes on restrict.adc plus it's the inline pragma that did not work for earlier FFA (adacore 2014).
asciilifeform: makes sense.
asciilifeform: and yes i'ma keep having'em, and no i'm not ever going to sign and distribute a mutilated and restriction-weakened version just for old gnats.
asciilifeform: ( for ~newer~ gnats, MAYBE, if somebody ever comes up with any reason to )
ave1: yes, I would not support older or gcc gnats, a user can mutilate on his own
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774136 << Different pieces of proccess run at different intervals (longest interval being 1 hour). I'd estimate an average of ~2 hours for link to appear in searchable db after dropping in chan.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 16:03 mod6: does it snarf like once per day lobbes?
ave1: also, the number of changed lines between release is very large (way too large for maintenance). It probably does not get better in later releases, just different.
asciilifeform: ave1: this in re gnat ?
ave1: adacore gnat yes
asciilifeform: ave1: we're doomed to eventually fork it and tune out the heathens forever.
asciilifeform: prolly right after ffa series is done.
asciilifeform: the trb treatment.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773921 << the entire taleb & friends circle, reminds me inescapably of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772872 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772873 .☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 13:19 diana_coman: wtf Taleb's"foreword to the book by Saifedean Ammous" on medium.com apparently: https://medium.com/@nntaleb/bitcoin-1537e616a074#---0-337
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 01:57 mircea_popescu very much will refuse to consider random fucktards who spent 2012 going "oh, who pays for mpex seats" in the hope that "hey, i'll weasel my way back in through peripheral commentary anyway"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 01:57 mircea_popescu: it's little more than a restatement of ye olde, dearest dream of all nigger, "we'll get in later anyway:"
trinque: caaddr: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t3aUb/?raw=true << deedbot was only given a signing key, it appears, not an encrypting key.
trinque: so, fix that
asciilifeform: omfg
asciilifeform: it's a fucking rsa modulus
trinque: I am not dancing around gpg's autism
asciilifeform: but yes gpg is retarded and no there isn't an easy workaround afaik other than to feed it what it wants
asciilifeform: right
trinque: I will be willing to import a key with the same parameters, but marked as E
asciilifeform: d00d prolly went to bed
trinque: nbd, pm me caaddr
BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/S28aJ/?raw=true
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773923 << well, i suspect they're countrymen. weren't they both from lebanon or somesuch ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 13:23 diana_coman: I really can't begin to understand what exactly is that; some gems in there too with organisation making silk-purse out of a sow's ear and "every participant has the option to be that player" and ...
mircea_popescu waves at BingoBoingo
caaddr: thanks trinque
trinque: yw
BingoBoingo waves at mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: Meet for contract signing in ~80 minutes
BingoBoingo: And passed the 24 hour mark so at tonight's meeting I can report the last 24 went bien
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773933 << you know alf, it occurs to me ffa actually attracted a lot more intelligent commentary than phuctor's results. fucking_unexpected.gif.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:08 caaddr: I've been working on Chapter 1 of the ffalib guide
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yea, i have nfi why
mircea_popescu: i have a theory, and it goes like this :
asciilifeform: possibly because did not trigger the boeck immune cells
asciilifeform: ( too hermetic )
mircea_popescu: going up to a woman and asking her if she'd like to be put in chains and whipped is going to produce significantly better results than going up to a woman and proposing you take her out for a yacht cruise.
mircea_popescu: people WANT to be asked for parts of their own fucking body cut off with a half bent spork.
mircea_popescu: in fact, people want nothing more.
asciilifeform: how did herr schicklegruber put it, 'england gave the english comfort and safety, and they barfed; i asked germany to give me blood, tears, death, and it gave gladly' or how it went
mircea_popescu: the cruise... "it's nice, i guess", but it doesn't fucking hurt and the stump doesn't bleed afterwards, why even bother.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly so.
caaddr: what if there had been a multipart guide to building your own phuctor from scratch, *without* revealing the end purpose of the software until the end? would that have attracted more or less commentary?
mircea_popescu: the correlate of postmodern confusion is that i'd so much rather gouge out an eye than watch another benjamin-shithead movie.
asciilifeform: speaking of which, asciilifeform just uncrated a 'omnibook 800' , prolly the spiffiest dos portable ever made
mircea_popescu: caaddr there's this occasional scam on the internet, most recently "urbit".
BingoBoingo: <caaddr> what if there had been a multipart guide to building your own phuctor from scratch, *without* revealing the end purpose of the software until the end? would that have attracted more or less commentary? << No one wants to read more random python
mircea_popescu: i don't expect anyone gives a shiot abput the gimmick.
asciilifeform: ( the only lappy that had an ACTUAL MOUSE inside it. pops out, no shit, from the side )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dun do so much good without the iron
caaddr: I didn't know there was any python involved in phuctor. I see that http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/#comment-114249 mentions migration from python to GMP
asciilifeform: caaddr: the www front end was in python
mircea_popescu: caaddr iirc the webserver was pythonm
mircea_popescu: ie the bridge from math to peoples.
caaddr: what was its ultimate fate?
asciilifeform: caaddr: the number-crunching part was separate program, in c
caaddr: can it be resurrected phoenix-like from the disk whereon it resides?
mircea_popescu: caaddr empire ~stole the box, started quest for republican isp.
asciilifeform: caaddr: it's on a 1u machine on my desk, as we speak. which in turn is waiting for a host berth.
mircea_popescu: !!key caaddr
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/87E7CA4CEB024766F7FFD3733F04CDC412DFE2FF.asc
asciilifeform: caaddr: phuctor actually suffered from 'chronic case' of empire-steals-box
caaddr: asciilifeform, remember you said something a while ago about there being a lack of basic tools for interrogating information contained within the blockchain?
asciilifeform: caaddr: this remains true
asciilifeform: afaik.
mircea_popescu: no there isn't, ben_vulpes fixed it!
asciilifeform: closest thing is ben_vulpes's item
caaddr: which revealed a general "caveman with microscope" level attitude towards that technology. it occurs to me that the fact nothing like phuctor existed before shows the same caveman approach to all of cryptography, not just blockchains
mircea_popescu: caaddr this is amply discussed, generally under the "not as much as a fucking working cipher omfg"
mircea_popescu: whole population of handwaving fly eyes. which is why "open sores".
mircea_popescu: one day eric raymond came to mp and said "given enough eyes, all bugs are shallow" ; mp extended him the can of beluga roe he was dipping into : "here you go, a whole <<<new software movement>>>". eric raymond never understood what just happened.
caaddr: something from the same book: gpg2 does not allow export of the two RSA primes, p and q, from a password protected key. it does not think that you *own your own primes*. the primes upon which your reputation rests
mircea_popescu: im certain that's not it. there's two causes of the by now well identified and documented pantsuit idiocy.
caaddr: as far as I can tell, you can either rewrite their shitware from scratch and surgically remove the primes yourself, or you can import it into the less damaged gpg1 to achieve much the same in a less irritating way
mircea_popescu: one is, of course, the attempted building of a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719979☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 02:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1719939 << pretty much 100% of present day "us tech" "industree" etc is built on bait and switch.
mircea_popescu: the OTHER however, plain idiocy as opposed to the malevolent sort, is perhaps best rendered as "missing formats".
mircea_popescu: gpg doesn't "allow" the exporting of your own damned primes because IT DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO NOTATE THEM.
mircea_popescu: this may seem weird considering we've had numbers for a long time. but i am pretty certain that's what the problem is.
mircea_popescu: they literally could not conceive HOW to give you those.
caaddr: indeed. this inversion of "fundamental principles" with "implementation details best left hidden from the 'casual' user" is all of a pattern
caaddr: primes, who could need those? what the user really needs are a hundred poorly named command line flags to manipulate a keychain state that they normally control using easily spoofed truncated fingerprints
caaddr: because that's what they saw in a LEET PGP guide that somebody wrote in 2003. it's gotta be safe, it's a guide! on the web! copy and paste, try not to think too hard about what's formatting what
mircea_popescu: which explains why gpg 1 has but gpg2 has not : by the time gpg2 came out, there was an absolute lower bound firmly in place, and well... TOO BIG. "people could never handle this!"
caaddr: it would be entertaining/devastating to survey how many users of PGP actually use the extra metadata besides the primes and exponent in the first place
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773970 << so you will ~actually~ not build on his patch, forcing him to maintain an alt tree if at all ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:19 asciilifeform: and also i think at this point i will declare gpl-gnat to be a work of wreckers. it has zero upsides over adacore's, and a million breakages , large and small.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i question the wisdom of keeping the gcc-ada bullshit on life support.
mircea_popescu: caaddr what's your idea of use here ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but life served you lemons. you gotta make what is a very unpleasant cut as a political decision.
caaddr: I don't know if anybody is actually using PGP, now you mention it. outside of the serene republic
asciilifeform: i will NOT be lowest-common-denominator-ing between all of the various gnu liquishit and the one actually-working gnat.
asciilifeform: nor maintaining million crippled forklets.
caaddr: I was able to migrate to Adacore 2016 okay, for what it's worth
trinque: caaddr: to date the only use I've seen is people put an expiration date on a key, then whine to me about swapping it out
caaddr: and my vpatch was trivial work, I just wanted to report it here to avoid other ffa pioneers having to duplicate trivialities
asciilifeform: there will be a tmsr gnat; and will be based on a cleaned-up adacore gnat.
mircea_popescu: do you build ON his thing, and then run into http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773628 ? or do you NOT build on his thing, cutting out a younfg and promising fellow into another polarbeard ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 22:34 phf: mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me what "properly handle" is, given the many conversations on the subj. there's no reason why it couldn't if there was some direction as far as proper. i'm personally leaning towards the idea that binary blobs shouldn't be in vpatch (as per latest thread on subj), but it's a non-pragmatic take
mircea_popescu: it's a bitch.
caaddr: trinque: so the only use we have is actually a *negative* use
mircea_popescu: people put their email in there all the time ; which got zimmerman banned in my book, because i wrote to the email and he responded that he "long ago lost the key".
mircea_popescu: which... hurr.
caaddr: expiration dates, like some antiparticle of usability
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't clear to me how i can 'build on his thing' without losing important functionality.
mircea_popescu: who is this guy anyway ? do we get to that part in the log ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: loox like he appeared today, introduced as ffa reader.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to me either. i'm mostly putting the matter into over-enunciated discussion to get the thinkjuices flowing on the topic, as it's gonna be the main bitch for years to come.
asciilifeform: right.
mircea_popescu: caaddr what do you do for a living ?
caaddr: arbitrage, like in all decaying societies
mircea_popescu: you're sitting there and telling me you're a suit with a working comprehension of the underlying technology ? what the fuck is this, the future ?
caaddr: the hovercars will be programmed in ada
mircea_popescu: arbitrage, what ? m&a ?
mircea_popescu: (for the noobs : arbitrage as a financial "fashionable" item, the sorta thing tom cruise might be doing to explain why he has all that money and time to pursue "slavegirls" came to light during the 70s mergers and acquisitions craze (aka, m&a), where the success/failure of an attempt to takeover induces significant yet economically meaningless price movements. the whys and wherefores of both the behaviour and its effects are
mircea_popescu: also lulzy, but a topic for another time.)
caaddr: no m&a, nothing deep
mircea_popescu: so are you basically an engineer flattering himself on the grounds of "hey, online brokerages let anyone open an account these days!" then ?
caaddr: very much like that, yes
mircea_popescu: ic.
caaddr: let's see about the value of my vpatches
mircea_popescu: engineer of doing what ?
BingoBoingo: Sausage? Does alf have a meat engineer friend?
caaddr: various computing sector tasks. like all modern men, I can skin a rabbit, smelt my own copper, build my own hut. computational equivalents, of course. strangely these turn out to be valuable traits, though easily gotten
mircea_popescu: why all the coyness anyway. dja ever read the anonimity discussion, as it happens ?
caaddr: no? pointer?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/
mircea_popescu: item's been looking for someone to pick up the "no, really mp, anonimity is actually a net positive" torch for a long time now. be my guest.
caaddr: that'll have to be pushed to the stack, time's running low for the evening
mircea_popescu: there's no rush.
caaddr: in any case, I hope to contribute what little I can. thinking here seems to align with mine
asciilifeform: ftr potentially interesting, to n00bz, ffa thread, in http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2018-1-22#289427 today.
mircea_popescu: o hey! castles cacthin' steam are they ? win.
asciilifeform: mod6's castle had good steam for ~year nao
mircea_popescu: yee. pioneer mod6
mircea_popescu: caaddr dun worry about it, i just ask cuz im curious not cuz i'm setting up the table to eat you.
mircea_popescu was once left with fambly's 4 yo daughther while they ran around setting the table etc for later dinner, proceeded to convincingly tell the little girl the whole preparation's really to EAT HER. ran off screaming/was skittish the whole rest of the day.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: i believe it is very important to inform the kids what the adults are up to, you know ?
asciilifeform: aaha!
asciilifeform: lol tor
mircea_popescu: it's a security thing.
asciilifeform: lollerity
mircea_popescu: dja know what "received english" is, alf ?
caaddr: I'd tell somebody that too if I wanted to eat them
asciilifeform: bbc?
caaddr: false sense of security
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but ~the concept~. "none of this makes any sense but it happened to schelling point yearsd ago back when this decaying empire was slightly better so what can we do".
mircea_popescu: ~same thing as "received holy book", ie why the eastern version yielded "orthodoxy".
asciilifeform: right. aka 'standard'
mircea_popescu: "de facto standard".
asciilifeform: this ties in interestingly with the #mod6 thread also
asciilifeform: ( concerned a particularly insidious bit of schoolbook braindamage , re how bits in registers are drawn on paper )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773976 << it's not automatically clear this situation is unpleasant.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:22 asciilifeform: this would seem to create the unpleasant situation of having just 1 adatron. but it is not clear to me that there ever were 2. there was only adacore and broken-adacore (aka gcc-gnat)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773977 << this incidentally is a very cogent objection.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:23 caaddr: GNATMAKE 4.9.2 is the answer to the now redundant question. I'll use adacore instead. I had avoided this because it contains precompiled binaries, with no independent reproducible build certification
mircea_popescu: iirc it was at least on the surface the impetuus/justification for the fruitless excursion in desert that was gnu attempt.
mircea_popescu: (which -- how come nobody goes "hey, rms wasted through failing to save so and so engineer years in that whole fiasco". there's this very iritatingly wikipedian attitude of universalist nonsense, "we decided on x all avoidable sacrifice is going to be piously frauded into necessary now". and i dun like it.)
mircea_popescu: (holy shit these illiterate schmucks, so they spell it impetuous as the adjective but "impetus" as the noun. what the everloving fuck is this and where did my diaresis go!)
BingoBoingo: In other sad news, Slayer announced their farewell tour. Another metal band falls to the Raggaeton onslaught.
mircea_popescu: weren't them doods old ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773988 << aaaaahahaha, yeah, i totally wanna see this for a gnat.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:26 asciilifeform: caaddr: this is why you disasm and audit the bin before deploying to the rocket
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for whole gnat, is prolly an unliftable load, at least until it is sawed into small pieces and rewritten in whatever we end up with as 'machine scheme' . i was speaking of individual built bin, e.g. an ffatron.
asciilifeform: something reasonably lightweight ( 100kB say )
mircea_popescu: a yes. if well curated that's doable.
mircea_popescu: but the "required to compile binturd"...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed old.
asciilifeform: it is -- if you were to subtract the rtl ( see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1743984 misery ) doable even now.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.
asciilifeform: ( again in re individual built item, e.g. ffa, rather than whole gnat )
mircea_popescu: myeah
asciilifeform: this has been the historic only pill for 'i dun trust the compiler' . audit the bin.
asciilifeform: each. one.
asciilifeform: ( traditionally compiler was distrusted not even because thompson, but because buggy. )
asciilifeform: if compiler bug costs exploded rocket and 100 megabux -- people do in fact begin to think about audits.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773999 << it's not clear that this separate-and-oh-so-different-this-time attempt to implement dwim has any more merit than any of the previous ones. for as long as i can't say "paperclip, write the novel i feel inside of me", you can't say "software transformation compiler".☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:30 caaddr: compared to compilation as a *software transformation device*, which I consider a different case: that is for automating levers, not running your program off of a cliff faster than before
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774008 << this goes right into stream processor as opposed to cpu and all that.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:34 asciilifeform: forget carry flag, even : native bignum.
asciilifeform: aaha.
mircea_popescu: but yes, "ffa mostly exists to show you that no, you actually DO NOT have a leg there".
mircea_popescu: for the country of the lame that somehow convinced themselves "it's man's nature to hop -- if god wanted man to walk he'd have given him wings"
mircea_popescu: "then we could have cut one off at birth and walked on one leg and one wing like it were the future!"
asciilifeform: dataflow fabric can express e.g. carry-save-adders as well as anything else.
asciilifeform: no particular reason to hardwarize them explicitly.
mircea_popescu: there's one thing it can't express too well (well here means -- in such a way as to guaranteedly and inescapably inconvenience EVERYONE) and that is, a certain notion of finality.
asciilifeform: the lack of an fpga where i could go straight to demonstrating this experimentally, is a pretty substantial headache for asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: middle management likes "byte" for the same reason it likes excel.
asciilifeform: finality is just a cell with no outflow, lol
asciilifeform: ( or connected to printer... )
mircea_popescu: it's a subtle point this, i dun have useful expression yet. in time.
asciilifeform: no i think i grasp.
mircea_popescu: im sure you do.
mircea_popescu: still not very well expressed.
asciilifeform: and i'm convinced that it's a pseudoproblem. but we'll come back to this when mircea_popescu makes a compact statement of it.
mircea_popescu: oh, im convinced it's a natural problem. like you know, 2yo taking a bath in the sink, holding on to your thumb with all its might.
asciilifeform: in that sense , yea
mircea_popescu: what are you going to do, say to it "bitch, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DROWN IN THE FUCKING SINK, RELAX ALREADY1!11" ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774019 << this leaves one wondering ; hey caaddr how long did you actually spend reading the logs ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:37 caaddr: "WARNING: MAY STILL CONTAIN DANGEROUS LEVELS OF SANITY". yes, just a joke. it would be nice to handle them as an exercise in hardware archaeology
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774030 << he has a point you know ; there's A LOT of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760917 because significant impedance mismatch between phf state and phf blog.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:40 asciilifeform: phf: you gotta put this in proper essay form sometime
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 21:30 mircea_popescu: in a sense you convict yourself to ricochet.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the sluts beckon ; i shall bbl!
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774395 << what i don't understand is how i can have the same conversation ~with ascii~ over and over again and still he'd be repeating the same original stuff. i don't think it's a question of my blog here, unless you're saying that me saying things in log have no merit because i don't have a blog post to back it up with. this is a novel take by the way, because log used to be canon☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 18:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774030 << he has a point you know ; there's A LOT of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760917 because significant impedance mismatch between phf state and phf blog.
asciilifeform: phf: on one hand, asciilifeform oughta take better notes. on other , phf really oughta have blog!11
ben_vulpes: caaddr: get a stable connection if you're going to hang around
asciilifeform: and it isn't as if 'log not canonical', but moar of limitations of meat memory.
trinque: phf: I dunno it's that; I could pick out plenty of examples of "trinque said!!" from the log. I think it's just a huge amount of information by now.
ben_vulpes: (is this even possibru with tor?)
asciilifeform: phf: consider the practical diff b/w ffa-in-log-cum-pastes and the current series.
trinque has much to improve in teh blog category as well
phf: aight, these are fair points
asciilifeform: and incidentally, imho the correct response to asciilifeform (or whoever else) being amnesiac and ignoring old point in log, is to... link to it
asciilifeform: this helps the threads actually carry through time
asciilifeform: ( and lets'em actually move forward, instead of '1 forward, 2 back' dance of heathendom )
phf: hmm, that's a relevant point to original "blog it!" because looking for those threads is work :> certainly more work than searching through own blog
asciilifeform: but yes phf in fact described , in considerable detail, how scheme79/83 authors strategically omitted the vlsi synthesis tool from their pubs
asciilifeform: and yes.
asciilifeform: in other oddities from asciilifeform's wwwtron referlog : http://armoredcoin.org << anybody here wants to confess to authorship of this ? it claims interop with trb , compliance with asciilifeform's '7laws' , etc
asciilifeform: http://armoredco.in links also to various mircea_popescu items, e.g. the airgap article
ben_vulpes: > required materials: two mid-2000s laptops (... Max Armor = 6 laptops)
ben_vulpes: copyright 2014-2018
trinque: lol electrum wtf
ben_vulpes: nice thing about that email is that whoever's behind it can be expected to know what #trilema is
BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu Contracts signed. GPGgram has itemized numbers http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZAvXe/?raw=true Still waiting on them to clarify which SWIFT code to use because apparently EVERY bank branch here has their own.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
trinque: congrats BingoBoingo
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10490.98, vol: 14921.64041404 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10452.99927161, vol: 57437.16739068 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10475.4, vol: 4609.59790967 | Volume-weighted last average: 10461.7040527
BingoBoingo: trinque: yw
trinque: got a list of those supermicros anywhere?
BingoBoingo: trinque: They sent pricing information for one machine, will forward to you after sober time
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/18/datacenter-costs/#comment-114568 << The contracted numbers for the curious
BingoBoingo: brb, sobertime
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774215 <- they probably are, yes; still an ugly sight if not worse☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 17:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773923 << well, i suspect they're countrymen. weren't they both from lebanon or somesuch ?
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774169 <- cheers!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 16:29 asciilifeform: !!rate diana_coman 3 industrial FG user; adatronicist; ffa reader
asciilifeform: for some reason asciilifeform was quite convinced that he had already rated diana_coman
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774420 << as i see it, it's an attempt to 'cardanocoin', i.e. quietly barnacle on tmsr☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 20:32 ben_vulpes: nice thing about that email is that whoever's behind it can be expected to know what #trilema is
asciilifeform: the author's failure to show up , is proof of it
asciilifeform: !!up emmylark
deedbot: emmylark voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: emmylark: who might you be ?
mod6: not today 'eh
asciilifeform: in other lulz, the whois contact in 'armoredcoin' , seachoice@gmail.com , shows up in massive buncha spam domain regs
asciilifeform: and also in https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=751245 random classified junk ad
asciilifeform: and in e.g. gameofcoins.info
asciilifeform: and supposedly ( now expired ) qntra.info
asciilifeform: ... and deedbot.com
asciilifeform: and various other spamolade ( depending on who you ask... various expireds also, e.g. as shown in https://archive.is/WuXSq )
asciilifeform: !~google "seachoice@gmail.com"
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Seachoice @ gmail.com : Shannon Morrisey, United States: <https://domainbigdata.com/gmail.com/mj/fJbR9CShO6LwjGplwSQadw>; SeaChoice - FIS - Suppliers - Company Details: <http://www.fis.com/fis/companies/details.asp%3Fl%3De%26company_id%3D160670>; Seachoice 15' Wht Nylon Dock Line - Free Shipping On Orders Over ...: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: 23621 Walters Ct / 92677 Laguna Niguel, California / 13104218889 , supposedly.
asciilifeform: anybody wanna give it a call.
asciilifeform: also operates thelogdailyreport.com , which is a... linkfarm made out of #trilema log
ben_vulpes: 18M visits in the last 24 hours seems a bit tall
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: betcha it also operates the various cardanocoins, mpexinfos, bitbetwhateverthefucks
ben_vulpes: this is vastly lower dough scammatronics than cardanocoin
asciilifeform: perhaps even the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772260 one.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-18 04:36 mircea_popescu: crypto ag is zug-erstrasse, 6312 gubel, swizerland.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i fail to see the substantial difference
asciilifeform: both cost ~0 to make
ben_vulpes: research-first academics behind cardano demand turkeybuxx
ben_vulpes: this spamola, yes, ~0
asciilifeform: and this other thing also offers 'buy ads here!'
asciilifeform: not to mention attempts to create spurious picture of association with tmsr
ben_vulpes: cardanocoin demands what, at least a half a galweegian for two quarters, with the corp markup that's a hundred k at least
ben_vulpes: yes well that latter bit is a grand self-crit
asciilifeform: at any rate what diff does it make how many zeros in front of sc4mz0r's asking prices
asciilifeform: work of fiction in both cases costs ~0 to produce
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/input-output-hk/cardano-sl/ cost *something* to produce
asciilifeform: depending on what it was plagiarized from...
asciilifeform: ( by same argument, the 'armoredcoin' youtube clip, also cost.. )
ben_vulpes: i woulda expected you to be able to sniff order-of-magnitude difference in plagiaristic works; swoopy css ain't cheap
ben_vulpes: http://www.industryweek.com/labor-employment-policy/german-union-steps-fight-modern-28-hour-workweek << "gimme moar!"
shinohai: http://archive.is/fVvBX <<< Guess I'm gonna have to patent VC spray for Conbase, they are making so much money.
ben_vulpes: pre-expense profits of 10MM, generously
ben_vulpes: silly-con valley darling
mircea_popescu: hey shinohai where was the official kleopatra sauce ?
shinohai: Here: https://www.kde.org/applications/utilities/kleopatra/development
mircea_popescu: ty kindly.
mircea_popescu: shinohai a no i mean for windoze
shinohai: Ah, it's https://www.gpg4win.org/download.html ( Dunno why it's called this now)
shinohai: No wait, thats the old link hurrr