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mircea_popescu: meanwhile in ancient "why foss sucks" and so on, http://trilema.com/2016/why-is-that/
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between selecting for intelligent users and selecting for inept hoop jumping acrobatic users -- and "foss" managed to implement the 2nd kind while loudly making postureclaims as to everything under the sun.
mircea_popescu: https://www.cyberculture.ro/blog/wp-content/uploads/ric3-schema-tehnica.jpg << 1980s warsaw-pact style foss!
mircea_popescu: a most infuriating implementation of broken-by-design, ironically exactly the thing foss was supposed to prevent.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the lulziest thing is how all these born-in-65-foss-blabla tards end up ALWAYS on the fucking forefront and speartip of usg.blue isms.
mircea_popescu: AS DOING. The fact the rest of you are now finally realizing that some of the problems I already solved years ago were, in fact, real issues, is mildly amusing to me in a morbid way. If you have competent developers on this lsit you don't NEED my patches, you can figure out how to do it from the _idea_ in a couple hours." << there, as good an epitaph FOSS could ever get.
mircea_popescu: "curio cabinet" approx. but kunst is art, reminded me of teh whole thing, because guess what ? we all grew up with this idea foss/gcc/glibc/whatever "magic inside!!!"
mircea_popescu: what the fuck happened to all the foss pretense!
mircea_popescu: anyone with even cursory qualifications in software project management could have pointed out they have 0 chances of managing the switch before their chosen platform dies (they took 12+ years to fuck up the original codebase, glacial foss devcycles as only gnu can exemplify).
asciilifeform: meanwhile, for pro entomologists only, https://archive.is/UFTWQ ( e.g. 'Some like SNS Server have no reported breaches over almost 30 years. Companies wouldn’t buy them. FOSS folks don’t build them. To this day and uniquely to this sub-field, most folks well-known in security act like none of that work ever happened, ignore those methods that got results, and slowly reinvent them or knockoffs of them with less results. Their kern
mircea_popescu: in the end, "foss" is not any more coherent, or intellectually respectable, than christianity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform supposedly big deal in this "foss" thing i never heard about. i dunno.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 18:26 mircea_popescu: Mocky it's not much, superficially, but it has a lot of downstream. because this is the ~fundamental~ rot of "foss" : that impotent dweebs latch on to it not because of the lofty theoretical goals, but strictly because of the very direct if unspoken power equation, "if i be friends with these guys then girls will be forced ot insert my penis in their vagina by themselves".
Mocky: I've never had an any involvement with foss project, haven't seen this dynamic. but I don't doubt it. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828318 ☝︎
asciilifeform: but in 'foss' , pretty much never
asciilifeform: 'foss' 'development' follows the pattern illustrated in the old jp game 'katamari damacy' , where ball rolls around and picks up rusty nails, rubbish, people, dogs, trees, candy bars, etc
mircea_popescu: Mocky it's not much, superficially, but it has a lot of downstream. because this is the ~fundamental~ rot of "foss" : that impotent dweebs latch on to it not because of the lofty theoretical goals, but strictly because of the very direct if unspoken power equation, "if i be friends with these guys then girls will be forced ot insert my penis in their vagina by themselves".
a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 05:00 mircea_popescu: https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/04/29/yet-another-gtk-update/ for the entomologist ; one luzy moment in the endless stream of idiocy that is 3rd millenium foss.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825015 << what "software development" even is for. this great foss movement that gave us so many wonderful things, such as a firm guarantee to the usg that there's AT LEAST a little idiocy in everyone's computer no matter what. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it's entirely there, that's exactly how this "foss" shit works, by sexiness.
mircea_popescu: in any case it's very much "this is what foss is", a token and an icon.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 05:00 mircea_popescu: https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/04/29/yet-another-gtk-update/ for the entomologist ; one luzy moment in the endless stream of idiocy that is 3rd millenium foss.
mircea_popescu: https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/04/29/yet-another-gtk-update/ for the entomologist ; one luzy moment in the endless stream of idiocy that is 3rd millenium foss.
a111: Logged on 2015-05-01 17:16 mircea_popescu: the path from the current FOSS, roughly approximating a spunk-crusted sock floating in a pringles can half full with week old urine
mircea_popescu: phf, there's been this ancient grudge between "mysql people" and "php people" in the following sense : in the 90s, the "foss community" consisted of a sad indeology-lite republic that still had enough people to get shit done. they needed an egine for their "revolution" which was to be centered around "the web", a shoddy, ill conceived can of mostly "make it easy for people to participate AND IT WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD [of pe
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, it's true that the whole alt-pantsuit "foss" movement failed to design (or to deliver, or to mean anything, or etcetera, sursure), but nevertheless the ashes they left behind are amenable to retrospective redesign.
mircea_popescu: "Virtue signaling persists only because too few of us are willing to speak out against it. The good news is that I've noticed an increasing amount of opposition to political correctness culture in the FOSS world. We're fighting back, and we're winning, albeit slowly."
mircea_popescu: and in other black girls code lulz, rorc girl explains FOSS : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-QUSXpy3sk&feature=youtu.be&t=111
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740599 << this'd be 99% of the windows-space "software development", starting with bill gates' original "work". as you say above, "foss'd have been hard pressed to be worse than alternative" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i am entirely unsurprised. the "scale bitcoin" shitheads + the "exciting blockchain technologee" shitheads + the "we are marketing" dogeheads are pretty much === the cancer that has eaten foss.
shinohai: ( It's foss, so don't shoot me )
mircea_popescu: yeah germany dropped foss these years.
mircea_popescu: basicallyt the great success of the FOSS was that corporations used them to spearhead cost reductions. no longer is there any need to, for instance, offer any support. they're open source! except not.
mircea_popescu: in other nutty, apparently there's a rather active tlp subreddit. in case anyone's unclear as to how "foss" works : they'll soon enough come up with a tlp 2.0 and then discontinue the original website.
mircea_popescu: talk sensibly trinque ; gnuzip is made by foss, it has had millions of eyes on it. all bugs are shallow!
mircea_popescu: the quality of code is uneven in the usual foss sense ; its main virtue is that being old, it is mostly not new.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger most of the usg corps steal foss and posture as a business strategy.
mircea_popescu: afaik this is entirely unwalked ground, for all the foss bs about million eyes.
mircea_popescu: what fucking foss. there is no foss. microsoft is the natural structure of ustards and everyone taking after them ; which is to see in a hurry to see results and in no particular mood to examine the quality thereof.
mircea_popescu: this is a fucking issue ffs. if the world worked like FOSS ~pretends it worked~ then we'd have LIKE HALF A DOZEN ssh protocol definitions ; which'd still interoperate ; and from hundreds to just one implementations of each of those. by distinct people in distinct teams.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you gotta learn to judiciously allocate your time ; Framedragger the problem isn't so much locking up the box - it's that the box will fuck up, this being "foss" bullshit, and then the owner will be like "i dun wanna pay for a box i can't use, notwithstanding this is what i claimed i want".
mircea_popescu: i dunno how would anyone ever argue in favour of the foss delusion. the data's pretty clear.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes unsurprisingly. pretty much all of extant "foss" is cat-v.org redone.
mircea_popescu: esp as this is >1 year old by now. foss right, many eyes ?
mircea_popescu: yest log is a grim testament of just how little faith republic has in gnupg, and for that matter gnu/foss generally.
mircea_popescu: also, i had never read that dabblers and blowhards essay before, but good god is graham unfucking bearable AND ALSO remarkably undistinguishable from every other foss idiot, from o reilly to who have you, if distilled like that.
mircea_popescu: he has the strong excuse no bitcoin was there. but the main problem of bitcoin as "foss" is precisely this - that various idiots think they may change things.
mircea_popescu: it's true foss died ; for which reason it carries little water here. but the frustration is a) the inability of foss to maintain strong immutability in front of organised crime, be it usg or otherwise ; b) the part where it can't actually move is valid, but not exactly for the reason he describes.
mircea_popescu: yeah, it was part of a discussion of rms/foss/etc ineptitude.
mircea_popescu: you recall ? was some foss "expert" blog article, in which he detailed some bugfixing he did, except it was of the nature of "i removed undigested corn kernel from shit on wall - all better now"
mircea_popescu: points a through i === foss.
mircea_popescu: check it out, we managed to replicate in vitro ALL OF FOSS
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in any case, while the value of "bright young fellow wants to learn boyer-moore through checking out phf's code" is there ; i'm not about to push you to publish phuctor code for some vague fetishist love of foss. which i don't have.
mircea_popescu: personally i'm much more invested in beheading the schmuck over the "web 2.0" bullshit than whatever foss drama.
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3723097783 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Sandip Bhattacharya <sandipb@gmail.com>; Sandip Bhattacharya <sandipb@sandipb.net>; Sandip Bhattacharya <sandipb@member.fsf.org>; Sandip Bhattacharya <sandipb@foss-community.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/246A2BA712F793A9ACF5B9170FD8C31F59A4F7E3DFE0C961D6D6A75419995E78
mircea_popescu: derp-ass FOSS certainly didn't work for anybody.
mircea_popescu: imo gpl/gnu/foss/blabla is all sunk by the fact that they wish to oppose SOME effects of socialism, while staying socialist.
mircea_popescu: he is correct in that foss is mostly a problem unto itself, making the previous situation worse rather than better.
maqp: phf: Well, when you look at history of TLS, you'll notice that modes of operation are not obvious. My approach for TFC is first of it's kind (at least in FOSS world). My approach on a-b is to see whether CIA-triad is fulfilled. If my peer can be tricked into sending messages to infiltrator / network attack that changes a single public key etc. all security is lost
assbot: SourceForge and Slashdot Have Been Sold | FOSS Force ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfGoVO )
mircea_popescu: but anyway, what can you do. foss.
ascii_butugychag: gotta love this homogeneous mass of 'foss', that 'came from nowhere', written by 'no one'
mircea_popescu: perhaps the biggest matzah ball hanging over the heads of all this well meaning & naive "foss" thing is the sheer disinclination of the kids to do research.
ascii_butugychag: (psychopathology of foss, etc)
mircea_popescu: so everything starts as gpl, welcomes any sucker foss head to contribute, then "progresses" to a mit license and hey, maybe apple wants to buy it!
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 03:54:29; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366025 << y'know, reimplementing portage in cl (or whatever, fuck, in fortran if you want) instead of python doesn't magically unbreak the foss ecosystem
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366025 << y'know, reimplementing portage in cl (or whatever, fuck, in fortran if you want) instead of python doesn't magically unbreak the foss ecosystem ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 17:20:18; mircea_popescu: they stole some foss and filed the serials off, butterfly labs style.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363294 << next was foss ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: they stole some foss and filed the serials off, butterfly labs style.
assbot: Getting LibreOffice to Do the Write Thing | FOSS Force ... ( http://bit.ly/1IFaWN9 )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wonder if this has anything to do with the ongoing systemd-ization of foss.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that style of presumption is 150% of what's wrong with foss.
mircea_popescu: but this notwithstanding, you don't need any sort of conspiracy to explain linux drift, or foss decay.
mircea_popescu: if FOSS had a hand in it, i'd buy 10k cpus every time i wanted to make a working station.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: [malleability] 'This is a major problem, principally driven by the deliberately broken state of the FOSS' << btw it affects pgp (via the braindamaged pkcs1.5) to same extent
mircea_popescu: you're guaranteed to discover unsavory contents in all foss matter, exactly like asciilifeform found in gpg.
mircea_popescu: or is it an utter and impredictable mess in the manner of everything else foss ?
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2015 00:15:17; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have nfi where you expect "foss" code without shitgnome signatures to come from.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have nfi where you expect "foss" code without shitgnome signatures to come from.
mircea_popescu: if foss, then overflow. definitely.
mircea_popescu: this fucking offensive FOSS/original_wiki brand of "simple clear concise" idiocy is driving me up the wall, today, as the movement's dead just like it was back when the movement was nascent.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2015#1280228 << bane of foss. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: yeah, you're missing the something where gimp is pretty much the only foss success in the actual marketplace.
mircea_popescu: this is ultimately why foss failed. yes, it did (sort of, but originally much better than currently) allow the U seating part.
mircea_popescu: god help foss srsly.
mircea_popescu: honestly this entire bs caught me unaware in spite of yeah shoulda known better. somehow assumed wtf, it's foss, will be ok.
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah. more important for a powerful foss than gcc.
mircea_popescu: the fsf, and the "foss" concoction, are going to be gone before the usg.
mircea_popescu: sitting on thumbs and stroking cocks over "FOSS!111" has resulted in pretty much unusable software.
mircea_popescu: <mats> how is it possible this has escaped audit all this time << welcome to the wunderbar world of FOSS, aka a chunk of raw meat in the sun, festering with a million grub eyes
decimation: mircea_popescu: " foss is fundamentally immune to this bs" < not clear. however I suspect usg would not want to try to stick someone posting foss - because the courts would likely find that this kind of regulation would contradict the first amendment
mircea_popescu: decimation foss is fundamentally immune to this bs, and who uses ms hypervisor
mircea_popescu: there are other people matching exactly hpa's profile (high value foss target) with keys apparently added in the same manner. not too many.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody asks intel. the idea was, if FOSS actually can deliver on the promises it makes, then it takes over at that juncture.
mircea_popescu: the itanic thing was perhaps the breaking point for FOSS, in retrospect.
mircea_popescu: you mean to tell me if we intend to use any FOSS thing the way that'll happen is if we write it first ?
mircea_popescu: the path from the current FOSS, roughly approximating a spunk-crusted sock floating in a pringles can half full with week old urine
mircea_popescu: foss, the wonderful world of 90%
mircea_popescu: works about as well as fucking foss.