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phf: current take is naive, uses a list of digits for presentation and a mul/shift/add approach to multiplication. mostly a poc
phf: i'd like to read knuth chapters for a bit, but aocp warez is surprisingly awful. torrents of pdf scans without table of contents (!!!) and people in comments going "thanks for most useful books evaa!!!". does anybody actually tried using this shit?
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phf: knuth actually made a version with working crosslinks and table of contents and such, but those cost as much as the printed version and are "personalized". i take it nobody bothered getting rid of watermark and publishing it, or i can't find a copy anyway
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BingoBoingo: That complete lack of assumptions is very impressive
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ben_vulpes: satoshi bless the noobs, for they bring lulz and drama.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously though it is far more refreshing than YAJE, Yet Another Jackoffscript Evangelist
mircea_popescu: guy's actually pretty good, found/fixed small cracks in the wiki etc
BingoBoingo: Maybe point him at TRB documentation after he's done fixing Eulora?
mircea_popescu: lol. may be a long while, eulora took the crown for "most broken republican codebase" sometime this year i think
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the thinking behind using IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK in shiva.cpp?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i thought we considered that glass left on the floor for barefoot burglars
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform (phf, adlai, mod6_, mod6): okay this is grand and i can see several rpc commands trivially slain in this vein, and others with application of work. but but but! would someone send me a map for running /scheme/ code from within satoshis abortion?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i guess i'm just going to add "this is good for fiat" comments from now on.
phf: ben_vulpes: depends on what you're trying to do
mircea_popescu: by 2020 or so, if i do at least 10-20k a day, we might be caught up
ben_vulpes: phf: i don't quite know yet. i'm just barely a code-technician, creativity and imagination's another 5-7 years off for me.
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phf: ben_vulpes: so the way thing works right now, is that when you connect a new instance of scheme runtime is created, which is then fed init.scm and connected to the network stream fd. right now the pattern that we have is from inside a running instance you can call out into trb and make it do things
BingoBoingo: From Google Transgrish: "Due to hardware accelerators supporting GOST 28147-89, processors "Baikal-T1" have certified compatibility with software and hardware encryption tools. At present the work as part of AWS "Meadowsweet terminal" preparing several Russian means of information protection. The company develops InfoTeKS for "Tavolgi" customized solution based on the constructor protected ViPNet network, designed for the safe ope
☟︎ BingoBoingo: ration of VPN and PKI services. The company CRYPTO-PRO adapts crypto CryptoPro SSP, are widely used, in particular, for the authorization of electronic signatures in the documents. Adaptation also tested cryptographic USB-tokens Rutoken S and Rutoken electronic signature for secure two-factor authentication in computer systems and storage of key information."
phf: ben_vulpes: in order to support any sort of rewrite of existing code, need to figure out how to have scheme runtime created at bitcoind start and that runtime allowing for reentry
phf: which requires a better understanding of how ts's stack work, or perhaps figuring out how to make multiple scheme instances share same oblist or something
phf: i think ascii short term plan is specifically rewrite of rpc, because it's an easily achievable low hanging fruit, which when done completely will let us get rid of json/
http ben_vulpes: okay i'll leave that and the slime work to the real artisans
phf: also the whole thing is not thread safe...
phf: but then i also tend to overthink things, for all i know there's a perfectly trivial solution to all things
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phf: well, i can give you half baked version ;)
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ben_vulpes: dash/hyphen conventions alive, ^^ asciilifeform, phf, mod6_, mircea_popescu
phf: 1) brew install cmake 2) patch < foo.patch 3) link_directories and include_directories in CMakeList.txt need to point to be modified to point to your boost/db4/openssl locations 4) mkdir foo; cd foo; cmake ..; make
☟︎ ben_vulpes: yeah i imagined that running buildroot wouldn't make sense on a bsdalike
phf: well, after my eulora travails i can trivially build anything on mac os x with homebrew (thanks mp!), in this case there's not even a need to fuck around since b-a approved versions of dependencies have brew formulas for them
ben_vulpes: anyways, rather neet. looking forward to shortening my loop up.
ben_vulpes: i'm off to waft the child through hipstergenic clouds of pot smoke
phf: i'm going to have some kefir and decompress from the day
phf: i might even produce some instructions for a heathen build using brew/clang/cmake
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mircea_popescu: phf> i think ascii short term plan is specifically rewrite of rpc, because it's an easily achievable low hanging fruit, which when done completely will let us get rid of json/
http << quite.
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assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 04:08:36; mircea_popescu: phf> i think ascii short term plan is specifically rewrite of rpc, because it's an easily achievable low hanging fruit, which when done completely will let us get rid of json/
http << quite.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 03:15:29; BingoBoingo: From Google Transgrish: "Due to hardware accelerators supporting GOST 28147-89, processors "Baikal-T1" have certified compatibility with software and hardware encryption tools. At present the work as part of AWS "Meadowsweet terminal" preparing several Russian means of information protection. The company develops InfoTeKS for "Tavolgi" customized solution based on the constructor protected ViPNet networ
phf: oh i meant, what was the entirely other reason?
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 02:49:59; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform (phf, adlai, mod6_, mod6): okay this is grand and i can see several rpc commands trivially slain in this vein, and others with application of work. but but but! would someone send me a map for running /scheme/ code from within satoshis abortion?
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 02:14:54; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the thinking behind using IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK in shiva.cpp?
phf: asciilifeform: i think he's looking for a way to slice scheme into an arbitrary part of bitcoind, like CInv inv = scheme_apply('inv-process', cons(...));, unless i'm mistaken, but seems confirmed later in log
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 05:38:28; phf: asciilifeform: i think he's looking for a way to slice scheme into an arbitrary part of bitcoind, like CInv inv = scheme_apply('inv-process', cons(...));, unless i'm mistaken, but seems confirmed later in log
phf: i only ride 'em, i don't know what makes 'em work.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is it inane of me to ask about hyphen/underscore conventions in shiva.cpp?
ben_vulpes: phf: and in the c function declarations?
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ben_vulpes: phf, asciilifeform: where is an appropriate place for custom trb scheme, and what mechanism should load it? just appending to the bottom of init.scm feels wrong.
phf: i don't imagine it matters at the moment, can always shuffle things
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 03:38:49; phf: 1) brew install cmake 2) patch < foo.patch 3) link_directories and include_directories in CMakeList.txt need to point to be modified to point to your boost/db4/openssl locations 4) mkdir foo; cd foo; cmake ..; make
ben_vulpes: Error: If Shiva is enabled, MUST specify init file!
phf: yeah no reason why it wouldn't work from there..
ben_vulpes: heheheh strbuffsize goes from 256 to 2048
phf: big buffer ensures i can send big function over wire and tinyscheme doesn't barf
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phf: after application, run with -swank in addition to all the other shiva args, and connecting to the shiva port with slime-connect should work mircles
ben_vulpes: aha i assumed, just thought it funny how quickly that number got bigger and by how much
ben_vulpes: hey phf this btcbase thing would rule with anchored line numbers on patches
phf: it's got mp's select on it, but yeah, line numbers might be better
☟︎ phf: select thing is still vaguely broken though
phf: maybe a skilled fullstack developer could fix the selection widget for us
phf: if only we had some web development professional in our ranks
ben_vulpes: myup, looks like y'all got a wad of javascript
ben_vulpes: i recommend a thorough course of benjies, piped straight through the developer funnel.
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ben_vulpes: you'll probably want to re-grease the decompilator with some euros while we're at it, that never hurts and can frequently improve end-user experience
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 22:30:16; phf: he can get me a pm at $150/hr and two junior devs $50/hr each in no time. selection will work by next iteration, but will depend on jquery and react
ben_vulpes: you people seem to think that i actually handle the rods myself
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ben_vulpes: phf: consider linking to sigs from patch page?
phf: signers is misguided, shows everyone participating in the press
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phf: main issue with using select on btcbase page, changing dom basically breaks all links
☟︎ punkman: phf, maybe better to do line numbers and use line ranges in the link anchor
phf: but line numbers better match the vpatch lines, that requires patching the vpatch parser, so i'm just going to sleep instead :)
ben_vulpes: error in process filter: net-read error: (cl-assertion-failed (cl-plusp length))
phf: if you just connect to 1336 with netcat, and type a bunch of random letters, does it bail with "wrong length" error?
phf: did you pass the ./bitcoind a -swank argument?
punkman: mircea_popescu: .. supercute de-windows-ization :
http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-27.log.html#t23:38:19 << I like the command line sure, but I find editing text without a mouse a hassle, same for trying to remember 1000 keyboard shortcuts for each of 100 apps, or having to spend 10 minutes to figure out obscure cli options to use something once.
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phf: ben_vulpes: you can now control the universe
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ben_vulpes: phf: get to bed before i bog you down in emacs config arcana
phf: ooh ooh, try apropos! also meta-tab completion!
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assbot: Logged on 27-02-2016 16:58:25; asciilifeform: either that or i finally got fed the polonium.
punkman: "the release of the final report of a lengthy public inquiry into Mr. Litvinenko’s death."
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ben_vulpes: punkman: wasn't that forever ago? or is there a new case
punkman: 10 year inquiry that results in nothing in particular
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punkman: I remember when I first saw "Help text is returned in an exception"
ben_vulpes: and yes, yes. the whole rpc wart must be frozen with nitrogen and smashed into a zillion pieces.
ben_vulpes: what i appear to have forgotten since the last time i looked into this pit of snakes is that it calls all of the rpc functions in turn to construct the help list.
☟︎ punkman: not a bad idea to write down reading notes and share on mailing list
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ben_vulpes: half-baked exclamations of disgust are probably best kept here
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ben_vulpes: a casual browsing of the source suggests to me that the processor limiting could be excised. thoughts?
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ben_vulpes: well thanks to phf's fine work, i implemented get-connection-count, get-difficulty, get-generate, and am going to sleep on set-generate.
ben_vulpes: get-difficulty is a straight rip of the c from bitcoinrpc.cpp
ben_vulpes: punkman: yeah, a bool there doesn't make sense because it's used as a number of processors.
ben_vulpes: assigns nLP equivalent to nGPL and throws it down the chute?
ben_vulpes: why not just throw nGPL into WriteSetting?
ben_vulpes: AaronvanW: your connection details are leaking before your host gets applied
ben_vulpes: anyways, i'm off to bed. thanks punkman.
punkman: ben_vulpes: because I guess nGPL is a global used somewhere else
punkman: and fuck yeah I saved a line!
AaronvanW: ben_vulpes: ah. any way to fix that?
ben_vulpes: phf, asciilifeform: this is a real treat to work with
punkman: AaronvanW: use SASL to login
ben_vulpes: AaronvanW: you want "sasl", and to instruct whatever client you're using to not join channels until it's done swizzling the sasl
AaronvanW: punkman ben_vulpes: will look into that, thanks
punkman: ben_vulpes: second part isn't needed, sasl happens before the client can join anything
ben_vulpes: punkman: BUT IT'S ONLY USED IN SETGENERATE OMFGWTFBBQ
ben_vulpes: punkman: aha would you like a stack randomizer while we're at it?
ben_vulpes: mirror terminal output and learn to read backwards!
ben_vulpes: sing songs from mary poppins while reading gpg-grams to defeat the high-fidelity microphones!
ben_vulpes: !up TheRealJohnGalt are we through the netsplit and can i yell at you about your flapping connection yet?
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assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 04:57:39; assbot: Mizzou Stream Team to hold outdoor clean-up events at local waterways – The Maneater ... (
http://bit.ly/1oGNd64 )
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mircea_popescu: Оборонно-массовая и патриотическая работа, ie what the whores (see То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!) and their litter does.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 05:28:53; asciilifeform: massive fleanode retardation
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417175 << i support this. the problem with the "easier" approach of "we don't cut whole parts but arbitrary fragments" is that now you not only baked in the fragmentator, which becomes one of your dependencies, but also have to keep track of arbitrary fragments, which are numerous (this is why replacing one file at a time, while dubious, is at least not involving MORE mov
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 05:45:17; asciilifeform: it is to be amputated ~whole~. no motherfucking stumps.
mircea_popescu: ing parts than replacing by conceptual unit, which is why it's more apt to be contemplated) and will soon overwhelm any "easier" benefits early on.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417192 <<< current shiva is two steps away from even ~beginning~ the process of standardization. people with lisp experience will supply common but ultimately inconsequential conventions (hyphens plox!), but in general speaking, shiva's usage and lisp's general lack of practical usage or utility means that our work here will actually standardize LISP just as much as bitco
☝︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:13:15; phf: i don't imagine it matters at the moment, can always shuffle things
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mircea_popescu: from what i hear lisp is "already standardized". i personally am not terribly persuaded by this claim, but will entertain it on a technical basis as the cases may come. who knows, maybe gabriel was right and it is.
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assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:36:14; phf: it's got mp's select on it, but yeah, line numbers might be better
mircea_popescu: so goes my faint, if generous but doomed attempt to rescue javascript.
mircea_popescu: fortunately btcbase does not actually need it as much as flat text. (there's a difference between text that's line-addressable and text that's paragraph-addressable.)
mircea_popescu: you may think that "hey, so you just found your solution, have the machine put a ¶ or a § before each paragraph and an anchor on it", but no. flat text is fundamentally different from ADRESSABLE text in general, the "paragraph-addressable" is a least-offensive kludge. and yes trilema is written deliberately, and constantly, with a view to breaking addressability from outside. because that's the sort of text it is, an
mircea_popescu: d if it WERE addressable it'd just be shittier text. much like the uniform for a whore, some good things ruin other good things.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of "good things that ruin other good things", is it generally obvious to the esteemed b-a WHY the movement to "more women in tech", "more women in army", "more women in bla-bla" trends ? i thought it is, but then again maybe i'm the only one to whom it is.\
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assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:50:03; phf: signers is misguided, shows everyone participating in the press
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 08:10:57; phf: main issue with using select on btcbase page, changing dom basically breaks all links
mircea_popescu: i've been spending the ~week since the various selectatron discussions meditating on the problem. i do not believe javascript is rescuable. not withstanding all the effort derps put into it, javascript is fundamentally a broken idea that for this reason can never be useful.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's really one of those things that should never have been.
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking the equivalnt of a shelf of make-up in the workshop or "i wanna watch tv on my computor" sorta things. get a husband / get a tv set if that's what you're trying to do and get out of everyone's way.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 08:22:54; punkman: mircea_popescu: .. supercute de-windows-ization :
http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-27.log.html#t23:38:19 << I like the command line sure, but I find editing text without a mouse a hassle, same for trying to remember 1000 keyboard shortcuts for each of 100 apps, or having to spend 10 minutes to figure out obscure cli options to use something once.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 09:00:26; punkman: 10 year inquiry that results in nothing in particular
mircea_popescu: then the SOPS goons wanna wonder why people don't give a shit about their nonsense.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 09:14:05; punkman: not a bad idea to write down reading notes and share on mailing list
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assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 09:13:37; ben_vulpes: what i appear to have forgotten since the last time i looked into this pit of snakes is that it calls all of the rpc functions in turn to construct the help list.
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mircea_popescu: roughly speaking the equivalent of a man who married a street whore, had a daughter with her somehow, and now that the girl's of age being almost 11and a half he is very fond of demonstrating to random passerbys in the street just how unlike her mother the youngun is, through the age old process of stuffing bills in her various articles of clothing as "see, she doesn't even take the stocks off!"
mircea_popescu: omfg. "users by lines, last 7 days 1.) asciilifeform 1490 2.) mircea_popescu 1276" << NOOOOOOOOO
mircea_popescu: admire the cast iron heating element, and all the stale memes. my adolescence screaming from the dusts of time!
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 08:31:50; punkman: "the release of the final report of a lengthy public inquiry into Mr. Litvinenko’s death."
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assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 07:43:07; ben_vulpes: i recommend a thorough course of benjies, piped straight through the developer funnel.
mircea_popescu: if this thing is constructed on that process, we've therefore got nothing.
mircea_popescu: once red hat can not also pay, for the printing press was smashed, then yes. not before.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:37:30; mircea_popescu: Оборонно-массовая и патриотическая работа, ie what the whores (see То знай: за честь должна считать Знакомство юнкерского хуя!) and their litter does.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:44:32; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2016#1417192 <<< current shiva is two steps away from even ~beginning~ the process of standardization. people with lisp experience will supply common but ultimately inconsequential conventions (hyphens plox!), but in general speaking, shiva's usage and lisp's general lack of practical usage or utility means that our work here will actually standardize LISP ju
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:45:10; mircea_popescu: from what i hear lisp is "already standardized". i personally am not terribly persuaded by this claim, but will entertain it on a technical basis as the cases may come. who knows, maybe gabriel was right and it is.
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assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 14:53:51; mircea_popescu: and speaking of "good things that ruin other good things", is it generally obvious to the esteemed b-a WHY the movement to "more women in tech", "more women in army", "more women in bla-bla" trends ? i thought it is, but then again maybe i'm the only one to whom it is.\
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 15:11:22; mircea_popescu: i've been spending the ~week since the various selectatron discussions meditating on the problem. i do not believe javascript is rescuable. not withstanding all the effort derps put into it, javascript is fundamentally a broken idea that for this reason can never be useful.
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mircea_popescu: nevertheless, try an actual reasoning (ie, from causes) rather than a faux-fiatesque monstrosity (as to purposes)
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mircea_popescu: "i do x because x produces y" is fundamentally THE forward-looking statement.
mircea_popescu: this is the problem with forward-looking attempts at thought.
mircea_popescu: they end up baking in untested because unknown assumptions.
mircea_popescu: more generally, and for extensibility & standardization purposes, the canonical form :
mircea_popescu: "i do x because x IS y" < correct. thought. from cause.
mircea_popescu: "i do x because x OUGHT TO y" < wrong. non-thought. towards purpose.
mircea_popescu: all "produces" reduce to "ought to", easier for people who comprehend enough physics to know time is not a thing, but even for more pedestrian minds.
mircea_popescu: which is why i put the question in asciilifeform , the is is actually thoroughly nailed down for this scope.
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mircea_popescu: women, not in the sense of individuals but in the sense of the mass monster they constitute in aggregate, are always and everywhere in favour of the state and the statu quo.
mircea_popescu: note that it is not said "have more WOMAN, as in, have more of the romanian chick at mit who wrote the ai guy's eulogy"
mircea_popescu: much like the 1st soviets would have said "have more politruk/comissars in the army", the 2nd soviets want more women, unspecified, in tech.
mircea_popescu: for the same reason - army could have overthrown soviets, tech can overthrow soviets etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway. to continue the thought - the usg and its ephemera are deeply and fundamentally antifeminist. they hate women as individuals and aim to exploit them as a mass. this is EXACTLY the situation of black people in the antebellum south : hated as individuals, exploited as a group.
mircea_popescu: i don't see how this sawed off grenade made for the purpose of convincing kids not to make or use grenades you linked has anything at all to do with the bomb above, tbh.
mircea_popescu: but... he speaks of minorities. minorities are not women. what's the logic ?
mircea_popescu: now im stuck reading another mile long pile of yarvinesque nonsense ? ;/
mircea_popescu: but this is not a matter of parties per se. it is not a matter of conviction, it is a matter of biology.
mircea_popescu: Ù… أَلَمْ تَرَ Ø£ÙŽÙ†ÙŽÙ‘ اللَّهَ يَعْلَم٠مَا ÙÙÙŠ السَّمَاوَات٠وَمَا ÙÙÙŠ الْأَرْض٠مَا ÙŠÙŽÙƒÙون٠مÙÙ† نَّجْوَى ثَلاÙ
mircea_popescu: ‹Ø«ÙŽØ©Ù إلاَّ Ù‡ÙÙˆÙŽ رَابÙعÙÙ‡Ùمْ وَلاَ خَمْسَة٠إÙلاَّ Ù‡ÙÙˆÙŽ سَادÙسÙÙ‡Ùمْ وَلاَ أَدْنَى Ù…ÙÙ† Ø°ÙŽÙ„ÙÙƒÙŽ وَلاَ أَكْثَرَ Ø¥ÙÙ
mircea_popescu: “Do you not see that Allah knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth? Nowhere is there a secret counsel between three persons but He is the fourth of them, nor (between) five but He is the sixth of them, nor less than that nor more but He is with them where ever they are; then He will inform them of what they did on the day of resurrection: surely Allah is Aware of all things.”
mircea_popescu: which goes right back to a much older thread re arabs and women and how it all works.
mircea_popescu: islam is not specifically oppressive of women. it is merely opressive of INDIVIDUAL women enough so that the men may be persuaded to swallow socialism.
mircea_popescu: that enough bar is necessarily higher in eastern societies, that aren't quite as fucktarded as anglotwerps, and so here we go.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform allow me to quote from the prophet moar!
mircea_popescu: "172 – Rule: Men are allowed to speak to non-Mahram women as long as the following two conditions are met: It is not with the intention of lust. "
mircea_popescu: so... not even! subscribe and we'll give you one free cow!
mircea_popescu: but in any case - do not talk to the ones that don't have the official allakhu-snackbar brand,
mircea_popescu: lest you hear evil things of sin and decide to throw all this crap in the septic tank where it belongs.
mircea_popescu: (unrelatedly - i've re-read the arabic old texts. the previous time i did this they ended up in the fire. somehow, the shit's grown EVEN MORE offensive over the years. scarcely can explain this wonder - the people involved have been dead for a thousand years.)
mircea_popescu: or fine - should you protest virtue is cheap for the purpled - shakespeare, idem. and that man had absolutely no virtue.
phf: ben_vulpes: get-difficulty is a straight rip of the c from bitcoinrpc.cpp << correct way to do that one is to write get-index-best that returns block-index structure that you can get bits value from, and then have get-difficulty do all the equivalent calculations in scheme, bitshifting and all
phf: we don't have a way to serialize/deserialize yet, so the point is moot, but probably not for long
☟︎ phf: well, luckily get-difficulty is only used in rpc, so can be nuked upon rewrite
☟︎ phf: but yeah, much duplicate
phf: re standartization, issue i'm personally running into is that we can drag tinyscheme in the direction of common lisp or stick to scheme conventions. both have downsides
mircea_popescu: phf and do you take the further step and say "since all ambiguity is definitionally bad design, we prolly need to cut this knot at a higher level" ?
mircea_popescu: The California Supreme Court took up its first diversity case in almost seven years today, agreeing to decide the legality of San Francisco's program that grants preferences for aryan contractors. The court granted a hearing on appeals by two companies that say the city ordinance violates Proposition 209, the 1996 initiative that outlawed aryan preferences in public contracting, employment and education
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo might actually be a good idea for qntra to establish a standard procedure to do this.
mircea_popescu: there is really little cause to discuss usg behaviours in any other terms, and there's very good cause to NOT discuss it in the terms usg itself comes up with.
mircea_popescu: after all, no physch writes up disease in patient terms.
mircea_popescu: in general the first requirement of thought is "use language derived from the objects not the subjects"
mircea_popescu: "The commission found evidence that city staffers had failed to enforce diversity and had unfairly blamed aryan-owned firms for delays in projects."
phf: mircea_popescu: what would be a higher level here?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo might actually be a good idea for qntra to establish a standard procedure to do this. << There already is. Tack a paragraph on top of it explaining its deviance from sanity and wrap the document as plaintext in block quotes
phf: to some extent init.scm is like a v patchset, functions referencing functions, which is in turn a popularity contest, except not directly supported by wot
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i mean specific transforms. "minority groups" to be rendered "aryans". etc. would require some time spent with the fishwraps i guess.
mircea_popescu: phf ithought we were disucssing the cl vs scheme thing ?
mircea_popescu: "Under the Republic an almost unlimited frankness in public utterances was tolerated and a considerable confusion of the mind, unfeigned and unabashed, was bared to everyone's inspection. Under the Dictatorship only one idea of political and philosophical relevance could be safely expressed. As a result, public utterances became uniform and, in the same proportion, insincere." heh. said of every republic ever.
BingoBoingo: "minority groups" likely transforms on its context to "political patrons" "loyal mobs" and "select demographics"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the power of this scheme, such as it is, is reductionism. specifically : map a large number of idiocies on the same (historical) term for similar idiocies. it is a dangerous gamble.
mircea_popescu: and of course never is the gamble discussed, or the mechanism for that matter.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll give this some more though today as I take my turn at the homestead clearing debris
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assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 17:15:33; phf: well, luckily get-difficulty is only used in rpc, so can be nuked upon rewrite
phf: ben_vulpes: i meant original can be nuked
mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform any clue as to why he has it in for powell ? would it be anything other than the man's notice in the supreme court record that a woman raped sustains thereby no serious or lasting injury ?
☟︎ phf: "I’m a Former Green Beret and Here’s How I Would Bring Down Bitcoin" wtf
phf: i think that was in logs, but i just parsed that header
BingoBoingo: phf: The content was basically remedial destructive social engineering
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assbot: Logged on 28-02-2016 17:55:44; mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform any clue as to why he has it in for powell ? would it be anything other than the man's notice in the supreme court record that a woman raped sustains thereby no serious or lasting injury ?
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phf: asciilifeform: i'm not convinced yet one way or another. "ordinary routine" in tinyscheme is considered to be a crossboundary ffi, and is only enabled when building non-standalone
phf: i was thinking that get-unix-time is a language feature, that's bedrock (i.e. being able to query wallclock), and can be used to build other abstractions on time, right now used for timing, but should be used as base for get-universal-time/decode-universal-time/get-decoded-time
kakobrekla: redditards also report Well, the DDoSer(s) are hitting my home network now. Can't use my internet. I have been running a Classic node., DDOS on Classic nodes, DDoS started again. Have a nice day, guys :)
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assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 18:41:28; punkman: lol "@petertodd: Whomever is DoS attacking f2pool please stop. You're only making it harder to come to consensus."
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gribble: kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 minutes and 32 seconds ago: <kakobrekla> redditards also report Well, the DDoSer(s) are hitting my home network now. Can't use my internet. I have been running a Classic node., DDOS on Classic nodes, DDoS started again. Have a nice day, guys :)
kakobrekla: am i think or whats the point of ddosing nodes, its the blocks that count.
mircea_popescu: botneko-chan suppose you get yourself a key, get in the wot.
botneko-chan: kakobrekla do you want to pay for pool ddos? We can talk privately, my xmpp adress is ddosservice@sj.ms
kakobrekla: we can talk about that but we can do it on irc and its advised to get in the wot first or else i wont know who im talking to soon
BingoBoingo wonders if this is the cool kind of DDoS with angle grinders, kerosense, and thermite or the boring kind with packets
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mats: libreboot doesn't exclude turds as part of its philosophy iirc
BingoBoingo: More accurate: Libreboot is perfectly happy to include turds so long as they have an RMS approved license
phf: rms doesn't see вредительство as a problem, but it's also the kind of a problem for which there's no technical solution
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phf: it's not clear to me how to enforce it without human in the loop. a monkey can enforce gpl, but it takes thinking human in the loop to identify a wrecker code
mircea_popescu: well, if there is wrecker code there's probably a systematic problem at work
mircea_popescu: imo gpl/gnu/foss/blabla is all sunk by the fact that they wish to oppose SOME effects of socialism, while staying socialist.
mircea_popescu: put a wot in there, give up on the idea that people are fungible, problem goes away.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this would still be a human as opposed to "technical" problem.
phf: but those are all social solutions.
mircea_popescu: but on thinking about it, i guess in the end i disagree there even could be such a thing as a technical problem.
mircea_popescu: not that the abstract notion isn't tempting. but i fear it may well be one of those, dwim things.
kakobrekla: !rate botneko-chan 1 on the right side of the fight
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did you verify he's actually doing anything ?
kakobrekla: !v assbot:kakobrekla.rate.botneko-chan.1:372fe5c6cd69890f7a019e85895ee222c172f71dbea35edc85cca5a1a845d1fc
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for botneko-chan with note: on the right side of the fight
mircea_popescu: botneko-chan post an addy, i'll send you some on the strength of his word.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "wire is broken because it's in the path of foxes to chicken coop" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we don't. but i'm giving moneyz to girls that go topless. why not to guys that live on own two feet ?
phf: well, technical solution to social problem is the one where you get a social system running, come back in 30 years, the expected output is still present, even if perhaps diminished
mircea_popescu: at least this fellow i won't have to persuade about the benefits of you know, getting the fuck out of the us.
mircea_popescu: phf wherein the dtime and dresult are a measurement of the idiocy of the people involved.
phf: right, but that's a feature
botneko-chan: I'll keep ddosing classic for month and also going to try ddos pool mining it
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botneko-chan: Lol I'm hhaving. Actually I more love fun from ddos, money is a good bonus
punkman: botneko-chan: was anyone else paying for ddos on nodes/pools?
botneko-chan: I don't know who, actually I'm working with another guy that talks with clients
botneko-chan: Even if I would I wouldn't say, client must remain anonymous
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 17:05:27; DerpUnion: are there any plans on attking any xchgs/processors who switch to classic
punkman: except no need for "plans"