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pete_dushenski: this being the dominion of people for whom grunts and shouts pass for 'communication'
pete_dushenski: not polyglots who read chaucer in bed
asciilifeform: nothing to do with it:
asciilifeform: where the gurlz are sufficiently corralled, goats end up the default fuck.
pete_dushenski: lol i guess that's another angle eh
pete_dushenski: man will fuck what man can fuck
pete_dushenski: which i guess is just 'if you can, you must' re-stated
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pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 263.23, Best ask: 263.48, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 263.48, 24 hour volume: 21906.13567276, 24 hour low: 254.91, 24 hour high: 267.83, 24 hour vwap: None
pete_dushenski: !up starsoccer
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300326 << cost is high, yes. plus, giftwrapping makes people suspicious, like 'is this too good to be true?' ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 09:05:26; BingoBoingo: So far October has been an frustratingly boring part of Bitcoin. I am worried though that Qntra is crossing into its second year and people don't want a giftwrapped chance to write a first story. Is qntra insufficiently established or does this seem too much of a trap. I the cost of fucking up in #b-a seeming too high? I am confused.
pete_dushenski: same problem as bitcoin evangelising
pete_dushenski: the problem the preacher has is that he never knows who he's going to convery
pete_dushenski: convert*
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300362 << taking a break clears the mind. not totally surprising that cazalla feels this way given the hints he's been broadcasting re: moar disintrest in qntra. understandable and looking forward to seeing him back again when he's ready :) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 09:48:04; cazalla: punkman, been a daily thing for almost 3 years for me, just grown tired of it and the conversations about it past few months, i'm not saying "bitcoin is dead" just that i'm tired of talking/reading about it after this long, feel like going to do something else for 6-12 months and looking at it then after a break
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have nfi where you expect "foss" code without shitgnome signatures to come from. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: red hat ?
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> whereas an fathering hero is me ! << this too shall pass.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : historical version is historical version, whadda ya want from me. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu so will all my days, doesn't mean i'm not going to milk each and every one of them
mircea_popescu: hehe
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell heysteve re: real estate, you ever read http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/13/tips-and-tricks-for-being-a-successful-small-time-landlord/ ? ☟︎
assbot: Tips and tricks for being a successful (small time) landlord. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GarvQ1 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you rend out iirc ?
mircea_popescu: ah yea, managed some small office building thing, i recall.
pete_dushenski: indeed.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` iirc is a full fledged rentier, lives off of it ☟︎
pete_dushenski: maybe it's a canadian thing ?
mircea_popescu: i on the other hand have held under lease tens of millions worth (dubviously, which is why i lease in the first place) of real estate the world over during the past decade or so...
pete_dushenski: my residential property brings in ~$6-7k/yr
mircea_popescu: i guess b-a is a very good venue to discuss the matter.
pete_dushenski: ie. not enough to live off
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu fwiw you're new keyboard seems markedly worse than you old one in terms of accuracy, at least on irc if not trilema. many a spurious \\\ etc
mircea_popescu: the problem is that im using three now
mircea_popescu: and they're not exactly the same one
pete_dushenski: why three ?
mircea_popescu: well one's here, the one's playing eulora
pete_dushenski: i'm only counting two there
mircea_popescu: close enough.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-10-2015#1298016 << update: adam_obrien and i played golf this afternoon and chatted about pgp key-signing. in his excitement at discovering the command line tools, he tried out everything he could find (he's an enthusiastic kid!) and yes, signed my key. he was quite surprised to learn that this changed the key block on the sks etc servers.. fwiw ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2015 18:24:46; mircea_popescu: anyway, pete_dushenski : someone (o'brien) signed your key and uploaded it to one of the servers. the result is a different pubkey there.
mircea_popescu: it's no big deal really.
pete_dushenski: more curiousity, yes
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell hdbuck i think you 'withdraw your objection', rather than 'rest your case'. http://qntra.net/2015/10/uber-provides-alibi-for-armed-robbery/#comment-67516
assbot: Uber Provides Alibi for Armed Robbery | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1GasnEj )
mircea_popescu: o wait, 260ish now ? tsk tsk.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu tsk tsk ?? lol like someone's been bad ?
mircea_popescu: i tyhought bitcoin was supposed to be dead etc.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300579 << is it ? canada does it too, but 'commonwealth'. how about you, cazalla ? marks or grades ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 14:45:54; thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if your mark is bad << what a british way to say "grade"
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pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300614 << hey nice ! i was looking at this one a few months back as a potential victim for my rom-eng secret sauce machine. i think i might just take this translation as a more than adequate starting point, clean it up, and post it :) ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 16:17:02; gabrielradio: without further ado - http://pastebin.com/qGE3C9R0
pete_dushenski: off to dinner, cheers !
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cazalla: pete_dushenski, ya know, i can't honestly remember what they're called down under (thanks for other comments too)
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300865 << interestingly, they are ~not~ in the mpi seen in gpg 1.4.10... hence the 'where??' ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2015 00:16:36; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : historical version is historical version, whadda ya want from me.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300862 << one sees disproportionate output from drepper, esr, etc., folks who spent the past 20+ yrs walking around in search of things to infect ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2015 00:15:17; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have nfi where you expect "foss" code without shitgnome signatures to come from.
asciilifeform: (normally not even for any consciously organized purpose, but out of pure narcissism and perhaps cv padding)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300874 << iirc he expelled his boarder ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2015 00:19:54; mircea_popescu: nubbins` iirc is a full fledged rentier, lives off of it
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funkenstein_: funk_add_privkey_wallet_tools.vpatch <-- experimental patch sent to btc-dev mailing list
ben_vulpes: nowai
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: didja sign it correctly? not seeing anything
funkenstein_: i thought so but hey, you know how that goes..
ben_vulpes: armored and clearsigned body + patch + patch.sig, right?
funkenstein_: yup
funkenstein_: outgoing email source http://dpaste.com/184SVMG
assbot: dpaste: 184SVMG ... ( http://bit.ly/1jJrZSo )
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: 0.6 didn't have importprivkey...
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, well then somebody's messing with me
asciilifeform: who?
asciilifeform: i thought you wrote it ?
asciilifeform: or hm, nm
asciilifeform: 0.6.3.
funkenstein_: i grabbed some source labeled 0.6.0 which had importprivkey
ben_vulpes: ye olde question of provenance
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: and how did you test ?
funkenstein_: i input a few keys.. they went into the keystore, nothing odd happened
funkenstein_: they later appeared on dumpprivkeys
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: didja send a tx ?
funkenstein_: not yet, just about to
funkenstein_: well, not synced
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mircea_popescu: !up maximian
asciilifeform on first reading, thinks that the draft patch breaks key generation
asciilifeform will look again when more awake.
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gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300433 << mircea_popescu comparing the two is pretty instructive for me, i think i got a better idea now ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 12:46:05; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabrielradio http://trilema.com/2015/the-christian-europe-and-other-aberrant-notions/
mircea_popescu: wim
mircea_popescu: win*
gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300635 << thinking about it, it should have been obvious from the article ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 18:23:53; mircea_popescu: gabrielradio it's "guide for half the oral sex". see, because two sexes ?
mircea_popescu: lotta gotchas like that.
mircea_popescu: but i guess the old adage stands, that there's no better way to understand a text than to try and translate it\
mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/fbfba8eb7cdef00530de28c8ac512902/tumblr_nqs6ozbRVs1tlluajo1_400.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XailHg )
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asciilifeform: ^ now that's an interesting bit of stage magic. i suspect that the two instruments (strappado and spanish horse) cancel out
mircea_popescu: if you measure correctly you can get her to where she's not totally murdering herself on that thing. not trivial.
phf: sort of the whole point
mircea_popescu: as opposed to the whore point.
asciilifeform: bucky fuller called this 'tensegrity'
mircea_popescu: aha. it's particularly difficult in humans, because as ben_vulpes observes, flesh.
mircea_popescu: also that's probably the worst presentation for it, seeing how the shoulder articulation actually unhinges.
asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20120811013032/http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2007-September/000871.html << valuables like this, one is lucky to unearth, while 10,000,001 copies of pediwikia litter the net... ☟︎
assbot: bytecode interpreters for tiny computers ... ( http://bit.ly/1XajRJo )
ben_vulpes: no closed form solution for the three body solution eh?
ben_vulpes: three body problem*
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i see nobody orbiting...
ben_vulpes: orbital subset is just a subset of the general stability problems
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it ain't a '3body' unless you have 3 bodies free in motion
ben_vulpes: all bodies are in motion in some reference frame
ben_vulpes: fine it's not a three body problem its a stretchypainavoidantthing/gravity/pointything problem
asciilifeform: any other fundamental boojum, go and abuse, but this one - i felt on own skin.
ben_vulpes: what, the spanish horse?
asciilifeform: mno
asciilifeform: the 3-body problem.
ben_vulpes: :P
ben_vulpes: what do you mean 'felt on own skin'?
asciilifeform: it's in the logz.
ben_vulpes: !s three body problem
assbot: 5 results for 'three body problem' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=three+body+problem
mircea_popescu: ;;google "moving bodies in own gravitational field" visegrad
gribble: Mass, Momentum and Energy of Gravitational Field: <http://serg.fedosin.ru/masen.htm>; Gravitational field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_field>; GRAVITATIONAL FIELDS - Catedu: <http://catedu.es/cnice/fisica/english/2bach/campo_gravitatorio/ecampo_gravitatorio.pdf>
mircea_popescu: heh. lost to history.
mircea_popescu: ;;google first step to nobel prize in physics visegrad
gribble: FIRST STEP TO NOBEL PRIZE IN PHYSICS: <http://www.ifpan.edu.pl/firststep/>; First Step to Nobel Prize in Physics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Step_to_Nobel_Prize_in_Physics>; First Step to Nobel Prize in Physics - Foton: <http://www.foton.if.uj.edu.pl/documents/12579485/496b69d7-c808-40d4-970a-dc88980786cc>
mircea_popescu: oh ok, that is recorded.
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ben_vulpes: in other news, bloom county's back
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
ben_vulpes: us satire comic spanning the eighties
mircea_popescu: a
ben_vulpes: http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/bananaad.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XakJh2 )
ben_vulpes: ahaha the banana
mircea_popescu: Second, one might ask why this is happening to boys more than girls. It's obvious to anyone who has ever seen a boy that they appear, as compared to a similarly aged girl, completely retarded. So it makes sense that affluent parents-- any parents-- who have the option, will redshirt their five year old boy and hope he gets another year of maturity under his belt so that-- and this is my point-- he can keep up with th
mircea_popescu: e girls. So the problem isn't simply that boys mature slower than girls, it is that they are required to perform the same exact skills at the same exact time. Any surprise boys hate school more, "ADHD" is more prevalent, etc? And there is more anxiety and thus pressure about the potential ineptitude of sons than daughters.
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/10/the_graying_of_kindergarten_th.html
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Graying Of Kindergarten: The Goal Is To Keep Them In Puberty, Part 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1XakP8p )
mircea_popescu: the result of making education "more inclusive" ? society gets tuned out by the most important half of itself.
mircea_popescu: way to go.
mircea_popescu: somehow the obvious "if you've not managed to sell school to boys you failed" is not getting across. "girls will stick with it because that's what girls ARE" is not even possible to contemplate.
mircea_popescu: then people wanna know "what went wrong"
ben_vulpes: http://i58.tinypic.com/w7j0j7.jpg << still relevant
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XakQJu )
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people are willing to earnestly contemplate the sad truth that you HAVE TO tell small boys that they're better than small girls, and you HAVE TO construct everything to make them actually believe it. nobody wants to do this, everyone has to do this, because the alternative is, plainly speaking, death.
asciilifeform: which death
mircea_popescu: the death where everyone runs around like a headless chicken while the economy disappears "all by itself" and every war is lost (and scarcely even worth the name)
mircea_popescu: the death where mp is NOT EVEN IMPRESSED. and he's from fucking romanistan!
asciilifeform: .. but why is it necessary to 'tell them they're better'
asciilifeform: if this is a self-evident thing
mircea_popescu: to quote, for truth :
mircea_popescu: " It's obvious to anyone who has ever seen a boy that they appear, as compared to a similarly aged girl, completely retarded."
mircea_popescu: the problem is that boys are retarded while girls are useless.
mircea_popescu: retarded, that you can fix.
asciilifeform: to industry, quite the opposite of useless. biorobot. assemble ipnohe, all day, every day.
mircea_popescu: not for all of them, but you don't need to, and it doesn't work reliably either, but you don't need it to, either.
asciilifeform: precisely the kind of creature called for.
mircea_popescu: mno.
asciilifeform: see many boiz in cn factory floor ?
mircea_popescu: how many boyz in the successful satellite launch ?
mircea_popescu: who designed their winning rockets, and more importantly, who decided to even go that way ?
ben_vulpes: http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com/Bloom%20County.gif << lmk when the nyooz goes out haxxed, then perhaps there is enough windows
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xalgjj )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one korolev designs, 10,001 biorobots - assemble.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes pretty good.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is the meaning of useless.
asciilifeform: school is not for producing korolev (even if anyone knew how...) it produces biorobots.
mircea_popescu: not so.
mircea_popescu: school is for providing the background where korolev grows up. both he and the background are unaware of what they're doing there.
mircea_popescu: but that's what the WHOLE THING is for.
mircea_popescu: that one guy. the rest you can pour gasoline on.
asciilifeform: what's he to do alone?
asciilifeform: write into desk drawer?
mircea_popescu: we just said he's not alone.
asciilifeform: ah background.
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: anyway, yes, in practice, this. but to the extent anyone designed the whole shebang, it was for biorobots.
phf: sort of like ender's game model, other boys are also there for him to sharpen his faculties
asciilifeform: (bismarckian public 'education', that is)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform NO IT WASNT
mircea_popescu: that's the damned beauty of it.
ben_vulpes: http://www.rocketryforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=86955&d=1339727948 << one for stan
mircea_popescu: to the extent it EVER worked, it was specifically designed koan-style by koan-aware people for that one guy.
mircea_popescu: in both western and eastern tradition, at that!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: l0lz
ben_vulpes: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f1/d7/64/f1d7640bec3aa3bbded2d46ac991457e.jpg << and one for mp
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XalvL5 )
mircea_popescu: yes murican "educational experts" never got wtf the thing is for or about. because whatever, paint copysts.
mircea_popescu: mens ranch lol
mircea_popescu: why not "dude ranch"\
ben_vulpes: mens "kouch"!
mircea_popescu: oh oh
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mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the point : unless you actually spend the inordinate amount of effort and make-believe into getting boys appear (to themselves, and to others) actually worth the effort, they won't be. and from there on the whole shebang unravels.
mircea_popescu: it's rather instructive to compare the "what they were telling 5yo boys" sides of historical conflicts, with the "who won", check out that r!
mircea_popescu: and no, bismarckian public education is the original PRODUCTIVE scam. that's why the system even survived through centuries (and really, the same shit held up classical antiquity, just, different name)
mircea_popescu: "lie to little boys about their value, which is absent ; lie to little girls about their inferiority, which is nonsense. come out ahead of "saner" people."
mircea_popescu: nutty, but the fit flavour of nut.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on a not-unrelated note, i learned that a few floors down from my office there is a ~pediatric shrink~. prolly prescribes dope, even.
asciilifeform: didja know there was such a thing.
mircea_popescu: in the states ? myeah.
asciilifeform: where else!
mircea_popescu: who did you think was prescribing all the ritalin, obgyns ?
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: for some reason i imagined that it were done by field medics in schools or the like.
mircea_popescu: yet another reason i don't feel inclined to procreate : i don't actually know of a group for whose sake i'd be willing to lie to eventual daughters.
asciilifeform: see april (c3!) thread, incidentally.
ben_vulpes: that's the sweetest thing i've ever seen from you, mircea_popescu
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mircea_popescu: ha.
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gabrielradio: mircea_popescu, i find your stance on procreating intriguing. i'm curious, would you be inclined to say have biological kids, but not raise them yourself?
mircea_popescu: notrly
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't raise them myself anyway, what do they have mothers for ?
gabrielradio: exactly my thoughts
gabrielradio: so i for one don't find that many drawbacks to parenthood
gabrielradio: probably because i am not one yet, who knows
mircea_popescu: how about "i don't feel like wasting any of the women i can stand enough to fuck on this fool's errand" ?
gabrielradio: any? not even one, for the sake of it?
mircea_popescu: the sake of what ?
gabrielradio: spreading the genes
gabrielradio: just curious. i'm on the other end of the spectrum, i would like to have as many kids as possible, and ideally be involved as little as possible, maybe in their education or such
mircea_popescu: what am i, like harlan ellison's noob that fell off the turnip truck ? so excited to be published i forget to pick up the check ?
mircea_popescu: so move to the bronx.
gabrielradio: lol
mircea_popescu: what ?
gabrielradio: i do see your point, yea
mircea_popescu: dawg, that's where they play that game. you wanna play that game, gotta go where they play it.
gabrielradio: i like to think i can mold the chicks into being cool with that wherever
mircea_popescu: how old are you ?
gabrielradio: 25
mircea_popescu: mkay.
gabrielradio: i guess i'll translate http://trilema.com/2009/insarcinati-va/ next, maybe i'll get some insight i missed
assbot: Insarcinati-va! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lfq1Tb )
mircea_popescu: trilema.com/in-sprijinul-eugeniei also lulzy.
gabrielradio: on the list it goes
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punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300961 << I like that mr kragen's blogs were mailing lists ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2015 03:50:12; asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20120811013032/http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2007-September/000871.html << valuables like this, one is lucky to unearth, while 10,000,001 copies of pediwikia litter the net...
gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300901 << pete_dushenski go right ahead. next on the list are /2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ , /2009/insarcinati-va/ and /2009/ce-ma-intereseaza-pe-mine-intr-un-proiect/ . if you have any one in particular you were looking at, shoot! ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2015 00:48:53; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300614 << hey nice ! i was looking at this one a few months back as a potential victim for my rom-eng secret sauce machine. i think i might just take this translation as a more than adequate starting point, clean it up, and post it :)
gabrielradio: !rate pete_dushenski 2 nails stuff on contravex.com
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funkenstein_: <gabrielradio> i would like to have as many kids as possible, and ideally be involved as little as possible <-- perhaps you'd also like to have girlfriends, but never see or fuck them
HeySteve: so he wants to be a sperm donor
HeySteve: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1756750/
assbot: Starbuck (2011) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1VXKpev )
funkenstein_: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.99, Best ask: 272.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 272.5, 24 hour volume: 36482.69093011, 24 hour low: 258.32, 24 hour high: 272.75, 24 hour vwap: None
funkenstein_: i'd like to have a thousand bitcoins, but somebody else to hold and spend them for me
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_> <-- perhaps you'd also like to have girlfriends, but never see or fuck them << you don't understand what the internets is for, or what the mobile revolution all about.
mircea_popescu: go back to florida, gramps.
shinohai: ;;later tell funkenstein Yo fam, if you need holding and spending assistants when you hit 1000 BTC I'm your guy.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP
assbot: dpaste: 1VQ7GGP ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV4dQl )
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV4e6U )
mircea_popescu: cazalla give a sig ^
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo <mircea_popescu> deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV4e6U )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: trinque hey, is there a url to download deedbot's db, i forget ?
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV4e6U )
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mircea_popescu: " you can support associative array lookups, appending to unbounded-size arrays, and the like, as fundamental machine operations."
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: check out the anti-c machine ☟︎
pete_dushenski: holy lolz that's a first, i just had an entire half-hour convo between myself and assbot
pete_dushenski: copy paste time eh
pete_dushenski: and coffee !
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1301102 << cheers gabe ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2015 09:35:16; gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300901 << pete_dushenski go right ahead. next on the list are /2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ , /2009/insarcinati-va/ and /2009/ce-ma-intereseaza-pe-mine-intr-un-proiect/ . if you have any one in particular you were looking at, shoot!
pete_dushenski: http://qz.com/271411/to-keep-customers-coming-back-chinese-restaurants-are-lacing-noodles-with-opiates/
assbot: To keep customers coming back, some Chinese restaurants are lacing noodles with opiates - Quartz ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kg6NZV )
pete_dushenski: "Forget Colorado, stoners. The real frontier of narcotic edibles is in Shaanxi province, China. A restaurant owner there just confessed to police that to keep customers coming back, he had infused his noodles with 2 kilograms (4.4 pounds) of pulverized poppy buds—which can contain narcotics like morphine and codeine—that he bought in August for 600 yuan ($98)"
pete_dushenski: ;;calc 98/70.4
gribble: 1.39204545455
pete_dushenski: so it's $1.39/oz, or about $0.05/g, for opium in mainland china in case anyone was wondering how badly their silk road dealer was ripping them off.
pete_dushenski: in other news, hyatt hotels, following the leads of marriott and hilton, no longer off in-room cable porn.
pete_dushenski: this might seem like a loss for the lonely business traveler, but until hyatt offers 'safe' internet with the 5 'safest' websites and those alone, i wouldn't worry about it too much
pete_dushenski: obligatory : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208
assbot: Loper OS » “The Internet of the Future” ... ( http://bit.ly/1fKTNnm )
pete_dushenski: http://econjwatch.org/articles/two-ideological-ships-passing-in-the-night << for those interested in mainstream fiat economics, such as it is, this isn't a bad look at pro-marketists vs. pro-statists vis-a-vis their preference for and beliefs in models
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kga6jH )
pete_dushenski: though hopefully a dose or two of quaaludes are thrown in to spice it up a bit 'wolf of wall street' style
pete_dushenski: re ^ http://variety.com/2015/film/news/leonardo-dicaprio-volkswagen-scandal-movie-1201615946/ << that was fast. one can only imagine that it'll paint vw as the cold, calculating devil, and regulators as innocent if bumbling fools
assbot: Leonardo DiCaprio Volkswagen Scandal Movie: Producing for Paramount | Variety ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kgaoaj )
pete_dushenski: http://www.meltingasphalt.com/music-in-human-evolution/ << #4 and #6 are reasonably interesting evolutionary explanations for the rhythm of human song and our practice of burying our dead.
assbot: Music in Human Evolution | Melting Asphalt ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kgd2wD )
pete_dushenski: re : song : "My suggestion is that our ancestors turned loud singing into a central element of their defence system against predators. They started using loud, rhythmic singing and shouting accompanied by vigorous, threatening body movements and object throwing to defend themselves from predators."
pete_dushenski: eg. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-12-2014#939361 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2014 04:56:39; assbot: All Blacks vs France mean haka 2011 World cup winners - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FH7KJh )
pete_dushenski: re : burial : "When a human dies naturally, make sure the corpse is properly disposed of. The corpse is a liability because a predator will associate even a scavenged meal (of human meat) with 'profitability'."
asciilifeform: https://www.tindie.com/products/ubldit/truerngpro << why did this fella insist on putting a voltage boost converter right on the pcb!?! 100-200kHz harmonics... and he soldered down the shields, go and see what is under...
assbot: TrueRNGpro from ubldit on Tindie ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kgfqn2 )
asciilifeform: if anyone knows of where (if anywhere) the ubld.it fella put his schematics and firmware, let me know.
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/10/greys_anatomy_kill_me_now.html << in which we find ballas is not only amusingly sophomoric when it comes to finance&investment, but also animated by a rather hick sexual philosophy. down to the very typical "i'm not a raceyst but dem niggars!" formulation, even.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: This Week On Grey's Anatomy The Preposterous Happens ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdoMer )
mircea_popescu: one day im going to understand how stupidity in very smart people works. ☟︎
asciilifeform: https://github.com/ubldit << apparently not here.
assbot: ubldit (Ubld Electronics) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdoRia )
pete_dushenski: obligatory : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-10-2015#1299094 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 23:45:19; mircea_popescu: tis a problem.
pete_dushenski: also : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299092 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 23:45:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299071 << more like smart people do stupid shit all the time and often enough it happens that you're impressed with something someone does only to discover they "did it" by pure coincidence later on.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1301140 << kogge had an entire encyclopaedic work on the subject, with dozens of examples from 1980s-90s >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-03-2015#1063060 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2015 16:00:29; mircea_popescu: check out the anti-c machine
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 23:05:08; assbot: The Architecture of Symbolic Computers - Peter M. Kogge - Google Boeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1HiVST5 )
asciilifeform: all of them - actual, physical machines, which were produced
mircea_popescu: pretty impressive.
asciilifeform: but of course 'golden toilet' as none would run msdos, be produced with the latest however-nanometre mosfets, etc, etc.
mircea_popescu: vaguely related : http://fashion-incubator.com/so-i-bought-a-sewing-factory/
assbot: So I bought a sewing factory | Fashion-Incubator ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kghg7F )
mircea_popescu: "So I bought a sewing factory makes a good title but the truther is that I bought a near perfectly sized industrial building and remodeled it to become a sewing factory."
mircea_popescu: vaguely interesting altogetgher, that blog.
trinque: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV4e6U )
trinque: wtf?
asciilifeform: and it lost cloak ?
pete_dushenski: "3. On October 16th, 2014 cazalla notified the board of his intention to take a vacation. " << it's 2015
asciilifeform: eagle eye.
pete_dushenski: "Given today, October 17th, in the capital city of our beloved Republic." << why no year ?
trinque: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV4e6U )
trinque: it's hanging somewhere.
mircea_popescu: cuz i've not yet come up with a year scheme
asciilifeform: but you did! trompi !
trinque: I'll fiddle with this in private a bit and let ya know when it goes through.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: sure you have, it's right there in the contract: 2014 is the only year that ever was.
mircea_popescu: cool trinque. also, the backup ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, well...
trinque: mircea_popescu: sure; easy cron job. I'll provide a URL for that
mircea_popescu: here's what i was thinking trinque : how much complexity would it add if the download was of the format
mircea_popescu: deedbot.com/backup/KEYFINGERPRINT
trinque: very little
mircea_popescu: and it delivered a blob consisting of all matter signed by that fingerprint, encrypted to that fingerprint
trinque: ah cool. yeah that can be done
mircea_popescu: seems to me the way to go.
trinque: sqlite backs it all, just queries and loops and a call out to gpg
mircea_popescu: nice design then.
punkman: yeah but you'd want that in whole bundle parts, so you can verify it
mircea_popescu: yes, you would.
mircea_popescu: no cutting anything
mircea_popescu: (this is turning more and more into the only legitimately useful implementation of "blockchyain technology" known to date)
trinque: punkman: how do you mean? bundles are currently multiple fingerprints
trinque: so if I then pulled by fingerprint and dumped them out, would not have anything a spend referred to
trinque: potentially it would but not as a rule
mircea_popescu: trinque pull out the whole bundle with a fingerprint in it, not just the deed
asciilifeform: 'Cybersecurity con artists are as bad by deluding their visitors and customers about how to protect themselves with encryption, Tor, anonymization, OTR, secret chats, deep web, blah, blah. All these con artists gin their own logs of trusting-users data, then either hand it over to authorities, sell it covertly, share with cohorts and standards orgs, write papers and give speeches soliciting customers, testify in Congress and c
asciilifeform: ourts, inform grand juries, cut plea bargains, brag about resisting NSLs, set up warrant canaries, share tips with donors and investors, yadda, yadda, do donate generously, but best, generate taxable income,tax write-offs, never-ending war, paranoia and FUD.' << from the obvious. lulzy.
trinque: mircea_popescu: that means your backup gets the other guy's stuff too, right?
asciilifeform: (guess the author)
mircea_popescu: trinque well, yes, some. if you shared a bundle.
trinque: "if I was a part of this bundle, my backup has the whole bundle" ?
trinque: cool, just clarifying it
mircea_popescu: see, it creates a procedural layer of memory
mircea_popescu: dja understand how this models out or should i go into it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unobvious. who ?
trinque: I understand why the unit to work with here is the verifiable one. is there something more to it?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: john young (cryptome)
trinque: you would lose the time aspect without the whole bundles
asciilifeform: turns out, he ~is~ capable of making sense. on occasion.
mircea_popescu: trinque yes. imagine there's a millenium worth of deedbot, in the library of republixandria ; and imagine this is burned. now, we aim to reconstruct it.
mircea_popescu: some people who wrote deeds are dead. some are not. some LINES of deed writing exist ; some are dead.
mircea_popescu: what shall be remembered of the thousand year archive is exactly what should be remembered : that which touched something that still interests.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aka mark'n'sweep gc
trinque: !b 4 ✂︎
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2T07FMX.txt )
trinque: makes perfect sense
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one potential difficulty is that we have not yet invented death. (or rather, analogue death does not perfectly correspond to the necessary notion of electrical death - a man can die and his keys end up in the hands of just about any kind of idiot, after this he must be 'killed' again, manually, by some process not yet defined)
deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] links 2015-10-16 Fri - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/17_links-2015-10-16-fri.html
asciilifeform: also imho there ought to be some provision made for archaeology. defined, for this purpose, as the study of items from which no continuous-unbroken line of interested individuals exists.
pete_dushenski: meatspace will executor can 'revoke key' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
mircea_popescu: imo undefined death is the correct situation.
mircea_popescu: what do you know of death anyway ?
mircea_popescu: as to archeology : find a source. that is the only way archeology works. you must find someone who remembers the history.
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mircea_popescu: so i spent four dollars for eight ounces of jasmin green tea.
mircea_popescu: it turns out to be not only the best green tea i ever had, but so fucking great i'm actually drinking some.
mircea_popescu: ALUMINUM DOESN'T CHIP << yes it does ben_vulpes ; poorly formulated aluminium's major problem is chipping. that's why it wasn't used in airframe fabrication from the get-go.
ben_vulpes: dude from the pressure of my /wrist/?
pete_dushenski off for a walk avec stroller. bbl.
punkman: mircea_popescu: great flavour for home-made pastries too
ben_vulpes: yes, crack propagation under vibratory load is a thing, but shouldn't this shit be deforming instead of chipping?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ah, not defending it for a second.
mircea_popescu: well depends what you alloy it with and how well you do that.
mircea_popescu: punkman gonna have to try that
ben_vulpes: if your al is chipping under hand load i'm not really willing to accept that it's aluminum
ben_vulpes: "look at our super cheap new steel!"
mircea_popescu: trivially tested, got an ohmeter ?
ben_vulpes: "but i can see the coke bits floating in it. and it shatters when i hit it with a hammer."
mircea_popescu: lol
ben_vulpes: "in aggregate though, the chemistry's totally right!"
mircea_popescu: sounds about right
mircea_popescu: the only thing is that "aluminum" is not like steel, it's like iron. ie, an element.
ben_vulpes: is the ceramic-puffed "gold" in the "watch" gold?
mircea_popescu: duralumin, which is its first serious application, and what those large cow milk receptacles were made out of, in the 1920s pictures of farmers throwing milk away
mircea_popescu: is really al-cu
ben_vulpes: short walk? or did the walk end in a shart?
mircea_popescu: "age hardening" is the magic property
mircea_popescu: "all of their tools live in the Web, that bloated, miserable heap of accidentally co-executing text-as-sort-of-program."
mircea_popescu: ha!
mircea_popescu: "The Monte-Carlo approach to engineering, if you will, but with humans doing a really bad job of playing RNG." << how mp's view of VC world sounds, without any of the bile.
ben_vulpes: the "web tekmologys" assemblage is approaching the complexity of protein engineering, and the only thing that can be done is shake your problem space really hard until usable building blocks fall out.
ben_vulpes: rinse, repeat.
mircea_popescu: alternatively it can also be ignored altogether.
ben_vulpes: sure, just like the railways could.
mircea_popescu: there is a very fundamental difference between constructed complexity ("web technology", astrology, political science etc) and actual complexity (protein folding, moving bodies in grav fields, etc)
mircea_popescu: the difference is that if you ignore the former you get paid, and if you ignore the latter you get hit in the head.
mircea_popescu: "TYRANNY IS A PREREQUISITE FOR QUALITY, APPLE RETCONNERS." << holy shit this may even actually be defensible.
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mircea_popescu: But more importantly, forensic brain scans represent the worst kind of classism. They say, essentially, that because your brain looks very similar to other brains, then you belong in that class; and you take on their other qualities. They may be appropriate for scientific investigations-- as early clues directing further research, "hey, this is interesting, let's look over here from now on"-- but they have no place i
mircea_popescu: n the justice system. I'd argue any association studies have no place in court, especially when they are read backwards ("because he has this, he is this.")
mircea_popescu: quite exactly. it's not okay to say "this man is black, therefore he's guilty, because that's the nature of people that are black"
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the argument is almost always presented as "the glucose consumption picture in this guy's brain looks like THESE splotches of blue/yellow/whatever, therefore he's so-and-so like these other guys whose pictures look similar".
mircea_popescu: stupidity, not racism, is the problem of america.
mircea_popescu: trying to package and sell stupidity as racism is mostly a symptom of that same problem.
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/11/do_we_want_neuroimaging_in_cou.html for ref
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Do We Want Neuroimaging In Court? ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgHjiZ )
mircea_popescu: "Do you want to live in a world where the criminality of an act-- the culpability of a person-- is based essentially on the moral ADHD of a bunch of doctors with third hand understanding of MRI results? Strike that-- on a very select bunch of doctors who purport to speak for these other doctors, who claim to have the greatest grasp of the science, and who claim in complete and absolute seriousness to have the best un
mircea_popescu: derstanding of the ethical progressivism of society-- better than lawyers or engineers or teachers or priests or anyone else-- ethics which they admit are constantly evolving-- but have thankfully, magically, and conveniently reached their culmination with today. The end of history. 4000 years of ethics, useless; they got it all right with a grant from the NIH and a subscription to The New Yorker."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296401 << see also. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 20:06:41; asciilifeform: folks familiar with usg 'scientocracy' will laugh, but the fact is, the mind-reading box does not necessarily have to... work. to be put in use.
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: also, my nirvana inducing anal pole doesn't have to work
mircea_popescu: to be put into use.
asciilifeform: the point i was trying to make then, as now, is that mri - like fingerprints - is a confession-inducer and evidence-planter apparatus, let's say 'guiltwashing', rather than necessarily a fact-finder. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: just like my anal nirvana pole.
asciilifeform: before fingerprints, it was 'trial by ordeal'
asciilifeform: same idea.
mircea_popescu: dude, before everything it was "mom leaves, and kiddie follows".
mircea_popescu: behaviour manifest in herbivores ffs.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#883658 << and. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 18:31:23; asciilifeform: chetty: the whole purpose of 'biometric' crap is to administratively fix the designated chump as the permanently-designated chump.
asciilifeform: how do the herbivores play into it ?
mircea_popescu: ansd you know, the universal supreme goat council (USG) had a secret conspiracy to import wolves into the forest, to keep the baby goat herding behaviour going\
mircea_popescu: i read it on goat-and-me.com
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: does the jump make sense or should i drop some pontoons ?
asciilifeform: it does.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's usual (and factual) inversion of the ru orthodox dictum 'the salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the selfsame drowning'
mircea_popescu: or something
asciilifeform: becomes 'the perdition of the drowning is work of the hands of the selfsame drowning'
asciilifeform: or the like.
mircea_popescu: tbh i think the inverse is a stronger statement.
mircea_popescu: which is rare for negatives.
mircea_popescu: (the reason is that mine's really the affirmative - the dictum masquerades a negative as a pop-positive, is all)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: even greats had to write horoscopes to justify telescopes
mircea_popescu: did not.
mircea_popescu: who's your idea, copernicus ?
mircea_popescu: "even lord tolstoy had to write shakespeare teardowns to justify the great russian novel!"
ben_vulpes: copernicus, yes.
mircea_popescu: what's the horoscope ?
trinque: damn \r\n to hell
ben_vulpes: but i am an orc, ignorant history and might be picking the wrong feller.
trinque: deedbot- fixed
trinque: I have put that doc back through.
asciilifeform: re: neuroimaging machines in court: their introduction will follow (is following...) the same 'frog-boiling' algo as that of 'dna evidence' - initially it is 'you wouldn't deny this innocent man his exoneration!1111' followed by 'must find the real killer' followed by 'sir you are under arrest, kindly put your thumb here and here and then lie down in this machine for your routine brainprint'
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu will not hesitate to remind the victim that it is his own fault for not having been born in afghan and fucked sufficiently many goats to innoculate him against herbivoricity
ben_vulpes: galileo perhaps?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but if ignorant why pick at all. do you also run in the dark ?
ben_vulpes: *misremembering*
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you are not promised at birth a "good" life.
asciilifeform: or even honourable death, aha.
mircea_popescu: you are promised at birth a life on your own terms, or to the breaking of your bones, whichever comes first.
mircea_popescu: this is a fair situation.
ben_vulpes: the higher level point is that normal schmucks like me must suck cock.
ben_vulpes: to even eat.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not even. implicit in this hypothesis is some kind of bargain - that there will be eating.
mircea_popescu: there's no promise of food.
asciilifeform: naturally not.
mod6: wtf? sorry about this line: log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299790 I must have accidentially pasted it. :/
ben_vulpes: necessary, but not sufficient.
asciilifeform: there is only the cage, and the cock.
ben_vulpes: mod6: i thought it was a sneaky release
ben_vulpes: "look guise, mine's using libressl"
mod6: haha. just checked the log and was like "what in the heck?!"
asciilifeform: mod6: i assumed it was a stray paste, aha
mod6: "when did i say /that/?!"
mircea_popescu: i assumed same.
mod6: thanks guise :]
mod6: oh yeah, i see now, those three things are in a line of my ls output in one of my term windows.
mod6: this weekend was going to take a long road trip.... my buddy pussed out in Des Moines so we stopped at a hole in the wall stripclub then proceeded to drive directly back.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you were probably thinking of kepler
mircea_popescu: pics on yoru blog ?
asciilifeform: (re: horoscopes)
mircea_popescu: kepler ?!
mod6: long drive. girls were pretty hot tho.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. had a day job.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, http://33.media.tumblr.com/46c8b6337ac501643319497e37497871/tumblr_nkcmlqypgA1tmnngto1_400.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdGcaN )
asciilifeform: http://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/09/science/400-year-old-horoscope-shows-kepler-s-sideline.html
assbot: 400-Year-Old Horoscope Shows Kepler's Sideline - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdGdeW )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy was tycho brache's cock puppet, what.
mircea_popescu: that ?
mircea_popescu: oh dude... am i going to hear cca 2500 that i had a sideline in "poetry writing" ?
asciilifeform: prolly.
mod6: there was a tall blond with a nice rack-of-lamb that was just for you Mr. P. You would have liked her I think. :]
mircea_popescu: haha
mircea_popescu: didja tell her that ?
mod6: naw. didn't say much to her. just let her dance on me.
mod6: she was about.. 6'2", 6'3", maybe taller in 5 inch heels.
mod6: nice rack, nice proportions.
mod6: lol, I had to look up at her.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'This working stiff is required to use all sorts of radioactive waste in the pursuit of his daily work. HTML, CSS, JS…functional programming languages that incomprehensibly compile from one AST to another in a vain attempt to keep my mind safe from the radiation of the underlying…' << could be worse. you could do all of this and also be poor.
mircea_popescu: pretty impressive.
mod6: This other girl with the hula-hoops had me mezmorized. :D
mod6: Shorter brunette girl. Yow!
mircea_popescu: for hall in the wall this sounds actually far above buenos aires' best and brightest.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to find a strip joint that's not really a kindergarten of the retarded.
mod6: The reviews on google for this place was HORRIBLE, but we were like "fuck it".
mod6: And for a hole-in-the-wall, it actually had 4 pretty hot strippers.
asciilifeform: mod6: phun phakt: google has reviews for, e.g.: nsa campus. federal prisons. 'a+++, would rot again!' etc.
mod6: So yeah, the reviews were pretty much bullshit -- at least for that night.
mircea_popescu: so it was more like a hole in the mall ?
mod6: Ahah. You know.. it was funny how this place was zoned... there was a Library with a childrens place across the street. few other bars. Post office.
mircea_popescu: maybe the managers were like "hey, b-a luminary and trb maintainer mod seeks is coming over, EVERYONE ON ATTENTION!!1. Joe, call your wife, I know we said we'd never put her on but man... THIS IS TMSR!"
mod6: In minneapolis they'd have never let them put that in the same neighborhood. So Iowa is a bit cooler? Still shocked by this.
mod6: mp: lol
mircea_popescu: maybe the kid place has a pole ?
mod6: lol, we didn't see one, just a lot of books that probably never get read.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i certainly am not rich yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just because he's richer than you doesn't automatically make him not poor you know :D
asciilifeform: l0l mircea_popescu is expert on everything in creation, even gradations of shitpoverty ?!
mircea_popescu: im just arguing for the sake of argument!
mircea_popescu: i wonder how come they make sake argument and not say wine argument, or rum argument.
mircea_popescu: i'd try some rum argument.
asciilifeform: goes great with tobacco 'parliament'
mircea_popescu: aha
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'Moreover, have you watched their software and hardware quality degrade phenomenally over the past decade? I certainly have. All of the old laptops, selections from the eMac and iMac line are total design and fabrication winners—solid and reliable. My ENTIRELY RECENT "Macbook Pro" is rotting as I watch...' << eh, it was not 'solid until jobs died.' but rather reached a short-lived peak in 2010 or so. have you alr
asciilifeform: eady forgotten the abominable g4 tin cans!?
asciilifeform: http://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Apple-PowerBook-G4-12-inch_2.jpg << them.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdHToA )
asciilifeform: three hour or so disassembly
asciilifeform: and it will never look virginal.
asciilifeform: and did it rot!
asciilifeform: mine had nasty splinters in the plastic rim, right where the right hand wrist went.
asciilifeform: betcha these were carefully stress-tested to splinter.
mircea_popescu: you people and your laptops.
mircea_popescu: just... why!
asciilifeform: (how else to keep schmucks buying!)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because the mines of moria.
mircea_popescu: i own like 3 of the things, i used them for maybe five hours total the past year.
asciilifeform: easy, if all you use it for is to key in launch codes!
mircea_popescu: hey, mines of moria you said ?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: the halls of dwarven toil.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: useful for hauling around the office, showing stuff in meetings etc.
asciilifeform: that uranium won't mine itself, no.
PeterL: I still use my 2007 MacBook as my only puter
ben_vulpes: someday i'll offload all this onto staff.
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me i have in this selfsame year never showed anyone anything.
mod6: ben_vulpes: yeah, i couldn't imagine trying to do the same with a tablet or something. but i like the desktops that I have at home for stuff too.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: there was that eulora demo for which you had a whole computer set up.
asciilifeform: aha^
mod6: i just need to get a fantastic display array like asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: i'm playing it. but it's a desktop
asciilifeform: i recall, mircea_popescu's 'laptop', a skeleton with a handle!
mircea_popescu: i'm playing it as we speak, making congressional pulp.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no srsly, it's a box right here.
asciilifeform: mod6: these days i scarcely get to sit in front of it for 2-3 hrs /wk
mod6: i just pulled down the new version of eulora btw. about to try to build it... ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, i recall the box.
mircea_popescu: o yeah mod6 more miners are sorely needed!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, you have any mollusc stashed away ?
mod6: i gotta learn how to use Foxy's bot!
mod6: i like manual mining though... in a way, it's just some time for me to do some clicking and thinking about other things.
mircea_popescu: it's ten minutes to set up and ten minutes of use to make itself indispensable. the chick can code, i don't remember a tool becoming THIS FUCKING NEEDED in recent times.
mircea_popescu: mod6 chetty stick mining is still mostly manual.
mircea_popescu: i did a bunch myself, like 100 or so sticks.
mod6: wow yeah, think i read that. lol, I've used 2 of 'em.
mircea_popescu: we've come a long way, a lot richer now.
mod6: it's how I found a whole 'nother patch of Elusive Snails.
mircea_popescu: o did you see the maps btw ?
mod6: I saw there is some structures in the pictures, gotta check that out.
mod6: I saw a mining map that seemed to be autogenerated by the bot?! Looked fantastic.
mod6: If that's what you mean, yeah.
mircea_popescu: yup. exactly that.
mircea_popescu: you don't even have to boither with anything, keeps its own logs, they get awked and gnuplot.
mod6: that is really sweet.
mod6: Sure beats what I was doing.
mod6: lol
mircea_popescu: certainly it is going the right direction.
trinque: mircea_popescu: http://deedbot.org/bundle-379334.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdJ6wd )
mircea_popescu: actual community maintained game client ius such a fucking all-obliterating win...
mircea_popescu: the only example i can think of would be "consumer designed laptop". you go in the shop with the definition files and they fedex you the item later that week
mircea_popescu: and "i want one like joe has" is a perfectly valid definition file.
asciilifeform: 'use desktops' is the ultimate 'let them eat cake'.
asciilifeform: [insert 'living is not for the poor! be thankful king leopold has not yet cut off your hands!' thread here]
mod6: pre-september desktops for the win
mircea_popescu: kgk
mircea_popescu: it is ?!
asciilifeform: yes, it is. the example i am sitting on right now weights perhaps half a tonne, occupies most of a small room...
asciilifeform: (if you add up all of the necessary bits)
asciilifeform: it is also made largely of what may as well be unobtainium
mircea_popescu: yes well, the eulora box is maybe 30lbs, and it's made of common materials.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck did you get a laptop that supplants a half ton desktop ?
asciilifeform: nono
asciilifeform: desktop.
asciilifeform: and the laptop does not supplant it, no.
asciilifeform: functions largely as a remote terminal for it.
ben_vulpes: that's really what I want.
ben_vulpes: damn latency, though.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc mac no longer even ships with x11 !
ben_vulpes raises an eyebrow
asciilifeform: but it never really worked correctly there to begin with
ben_vulpes: i wonder what i'm using in that case
ben_vulpes: sez 'X11' on the 'tin'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it can still be installed aftermarket
trinque wonders aloud what a half-ton desktop looks like
trinque: must be counting the desk and room!
ben_vulpes: a yeah well apple machines don't really come with anything
asciilifeform: trinque: most of the mass is the lead-acids
asciilifeform: no, not counting desk.
ben_vulpes: not even a package manager.
trinque: batteries?
asciilifeform: aha
trinque: cool
asciilifeform: what's the problem, we count those when weighing a laptop
trinque: fair point.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: any suggestions on time series plotting from cl?
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pipe to gnuplot ?
asciilifeform: or need something fancier
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: cl-graphviz also works
asciilifeform: (and cl-dot)
ben_vulpes: any point to using a cl wrapper/bridge to gnuplot or just pipe out?
asciilifeform: the wrapper is what you'd end up writing anyway
asciilifeform: if you feel like doing it as an exercise, do it. if not, use one of the published items. (unlike what is customary in the barbarian world, cl libraries generally... work)
ben_vulpes: ty!
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deedbot-: [Trilema] Narcissistic Personality Inventory - http://trilema.com/2015/narcissistic-personality-inventory/
cazalla: mircea_popescu, can you revise a copy of the contract with correct date in historical recitals (2015, not 2014)
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: oh damn.
mircea_popescu: yeah. listen, just sign the correct version.
cazalla: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2DH3BVM.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbCa0Y )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
asciilifeform: 'In the late 1970s we found that on a reasonably sunny day a batch of "windowed" EPROMs exposed to sunlight for a day on a sunny windowsill through glass with the EPROM horizontal would invariably erase reliably. We probably had some idea of how little time it took but it was no so long ago that such fine detail escapes me. Note that the erasing was with light passing through standard window glass (a reasonable UV filter), and
asciilifeform: the EPROMs were placed flat, so were being irradiated at an angle to the optimum angle. However, this was in New Zealand which has a higher UV level than most other countries. [If you expose unprotected skin to say 2 to 4 hours full sun here in midsummer you can expect extremely severe and painful burns with the possible need for medical treatmemnt.] One hour will often leave you sore and sorry the next day.'
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phf: ben_vulpes: for something like gnuplot i've discovered that learning all kinds of fancy ways you can output a string with #'format is a lot more useful skill then learning a specific library. short of writing an equivalent of gnuplot command ast you're going to run into impedence mismatch one way or another
ben_vulpes: thanks phf
ben_vulpes: i'm dinking around with clnuplot as we speak, already seeing the end of its utility for me.
phf: i think canonical example of solving that sort of problems (i.e. generating command language from a higher level lisp solution) comes from cltl2 section on trig functions for complex values, where guy steele for whatever reason decided to include pretty graphs of function behaviors. he also included the program that he used to generate the graphs, by producing .ps from lisp
phf: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node129.html
assbot: 12.5.3. Branch Cuts, Principal Values, and Boundary Conditions in the Complex Plane ... ( http://bit.ly/1RODX8Z )
phf: (the program is at the end and worth the study to grok the meaning of the word "hack" before perl corrupted it)
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell funkenstein_ submission came through this time
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that finding is not surprising is it ?
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/11/the_cia_has_the_same_problem_m.html << if anyone was curious as to HOW blunders to the scale of "hussein has wmds" a decade ago or "assad used wmds" last year happen, and to the whys and wherefore bacalaureat-level educated folk such as obama, rice etc come up with ridiculous nonsense like "putin doesn't understand" or "nobody could have predicted", here is why.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The CIA Has The Same Problem Medicine Does ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZMsTPa )
mircea_popescu: yes the result is directly equivalent with "enemies control the decision process at all points and at all levels". but the cause is much more pedestrian : the innate MISTAKEN belief that "anyone can make a summary".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at reality ranch, training a sex fied takes me six weeks, training a perfect soldier takes six months, and training a PASSIBLE intel summarizer takes six years.
mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/16a00e455a901b84d37d76a6943715fc/tumblr_mkvmr00CjZ1s4dm6ao1_r1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbScI2 )
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1301438 << i need someone with low building rank to use my small mushroom claims; good opportunity for n00bs to get some free experience ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2015 18:16:21; mod6: i just pulled down the new version of eulora btw. about to try to build it...
mod6: i'm workin on it here. i forget my build rank... 70 somethin i think.
mircea_popescu: you fell way behind yo.
mod6: oh im sure.
mircea_popescu: o btw jurov how's the shaped slag coming ?
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mircea_popescu: "She can't understand why the ideal isn't the same as the average. So she wants to create reasons why the average is the ideal. " <<< Elizabeth Cashdan, woman in science.
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/12/is_an_hourglass_figure_the_ide.html
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Is An Hourglass Figure The Ideal? Only If You're Weak And Stupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1RORe1x )
mircea_popescu: who the fuck permits these imbeciles to pretend like they're faculty i have no idea.
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