BingoBoingo: mod6: If you can give me guidance on what directories you want, that will be helpful. Even downloading straight from the local switch, the whole blockchain is going to take time, and space.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: why wouldja want the raid card but not the whole box ? << Perhaps a bit premature to ask for this. Let's see if BB can get the back up completed, then will decide on whether to sell the box or have it shipped back whole, or parts.
mod6: BingoBoingo: The directories are listed in my pgp msg.
mod6: asciilifeform: fair enough. we'll see, one step at a time.
mod6: asciilifeform: werd.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: His is not of you're preferred type of box
mod6: re: lawsuit, i've been following along here since the onset of this. I get the overall sense that not much may come of it, and similar to what MP was saying, would have been helpful to have some attourney long ago, as opposed to now. Especially regarding the fact that we've been getting screwed for years. A judgement might only consist of some repayment for recent month.
mod6: However, I'm not closing the door on the whole thing. We'll have to evaluate our liabilities to our customers, cash on hand, who would be owed what, etc.
mod6: It may not be a bad idea to look into. I just, for what its worth, have my doubts that much comes of it.
BingoBoingo: On some level once the auditions to see if any lawyers are hungrier than present counsel are concluded, if a suit isn't feasible counsel may be necessary to cleanly send the contract to /dev/null should latecho get combative
BingoBoingo: Even though the contract nearly made it to term, it's still a liability attached to my name personally.
mod6: Well, so the way I see it: On the off chance that we'd win some sort of judgement, even if the courts are expedient, and I doubt that they are; We should continue on our current path. Pay what ever we need to pay back to customers out of what we have on-hand, make shipments, what have you. Then if there is cash left over, make a decision at that time.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've still not had time to contemplate anywhere that might be better in the near to mid term.
mod6: asciilifeform: that's decent news. but still, we should proceed with our customers needs first. then, possibly, see what we can do for Pizarro.
BingoBoingo: Now, one thing we do need is some sort of ftp server we can use to get shared hosting customers GPG'd tarballs with their files and databases
BingoBoingo: I imagine RockChip customers as well may need some files
BingoBoingo: On the plus side we do have everyone's ssh pubkeys so we don't have to put up for all comers even though GPG'd
mod6: asciilifeform: Well, that ~might~ be true. We ought to proceed though with careful steps to ensure we don't overlook something; we need to ensure that everyone is settled correctly, accurately. Having some oversight from mircea_popescu on this will be good.
mod6: for sure, glad he's been able to give his guidence.
mod6: i'd say that's the correct approach.
mod6: the latter half of that previous line didn't quite parse for me. care to expand on that a bit?
mod6: ah, gotcha. but 3 people, or 3 boxen?
mod6: yeah, seems like we're on the same page.
mod6: was just looking for trinque's last transmission. seems like it was the 4th.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 20:22:43 asciilifeform: asciilifeform, otoh, did the equiv of when folx w/ no medical education attempt a tracheotomy on choking patient. cuz nobody else was about to.
ossabot: trinque last seen in #trilema on
2019-10-03 22:53:34: sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile; that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment
mod6: asciilifeform: will do. i think when '1,2,3' (above) are done, we can re-visit and see what makes sense.
mod6: and, yah, maybe we ought to send him an email?
mod6: He asked us to leave him dead, so I've been respecting that. Until like 3 minutes ago. I just tried to poke him re: trinque.
mod6: If/when I get a chance to discuss tbf with him, I'll see what he has to say. But my guess is he'd probably just like us to replace him as needed.
mod6: We'll really need to discuss the whole thing at length too. It's not yet fully determined what'll happen to tbf. But mircea_popescu has thrown out a few ideas. I doubt I'll be involved in whatever comes next for it though.
mod6: Well, correct, I've stated that I think I've done the duty as spelled out in the Charter. It's well impressed on me that tbf needs new direction and new blood.
mod6: I would like to see trb carry-on indeed. Now, perhaps, more than ever, is needed as a check against wild shitcoiners out there.
mod6: BingoBoingo: cheers!
mod6: But alas, The Foundation has some greater goals than simply trb itself. TRB can be one facet of this, but new blood will need to take the ship in a direction of outreach.
mod6: I agree, there should be a new one drawn up for whomever should take the helm.
mod6: For me, I won't have a fief to preside over, but maybe I'll still submit trb related work.
mod6: I have a whole list of things I wanna do; actually. Like, finally spend the time I need on all things FFA.
mod6: There is a lot of work re: trb that does need to be done too. Another thing that was nagging at me... if we're to have a "university", we also need materials. And technical materials can be 'trb' coad itself; however, it might be cool to have an annotated source.
mod6: Maybe even in book form some day.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:45:48 asciilifeform: lobbes: speaking strictly for self -- 'quick' jobs are quick because they (incl. 'fit problem in head' phase) can be fit into a single slot in b/w salt mine idjicies. whereas things large enuff as not fit, much moar friction. (erry time must load it in... again, again, ... )
mod6: Not committed or married to the idea, but I've been trying to think about what I might want to spend my time on.
mod6: Yeah, for TRB/TRBi to improve, or take form, one needs to fully comprehend what it is we have, this thing called 'bitcoin'.
mod6: Materials for study are necessary, and the logs yield quite a tale, but something consolidated would help.
mod6: I would agree with you on that. In this chamber, I do find quite a depth of knowledge. It is, however, spread across a handful of people.
mod6: Right, it's a old question, and a good one.
mod6: Lot's of questions need to be asked such as this, and their answers, ugly or not, need to be found.
mod6: lol, werd. it's all important, indeed.
mod6: Heck, write 'em down and post 'em for future review.
mod6: yeah, it's a shitshow
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: if you start to study ffa, dun hesitate to ask asciilifeform to help as you go in. << will do!
mod6: Yeah, she's pretty deep into the chapters iirc.
mod6: Also, told bv to tap trinque on the shoulder.
mod6: And mentioned that if he wants to, he can stop by for a nomination to the co-chair.
mod6: THE SPICE MUST FLOW
mod6: I'm totally in the middle of Dune.
mod6: Was previously actually looking for a Kynes quote...
mod6: "'To the working planetologist, his most important tool is human beings,' his father said. 'You must cultivate ecological literacy among the people.'"
mod6: This I've sort-of applied to the sense that for actual humans, which we can sift-the-sand for, tbf/tmsr can cultivate bitcoin literacy.
mod6: Both are important, ofc.
lobbes:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1942833 << btw, I've snagged another leased server from some singapore heathen hoster. Once they provision the thing and give login info then auctionbot will live again. However, if it is desperately needed in the meantime I can slap it up on the usg hoster as a stop-gap measure
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 00:05:43 asciilifeform: i suppose oughta proper auction.
mod6: Alright folks, I gotta get some meat going here. But I'll be checking back if you need me. Otherwise, will be back around tomorrow.
lobbes: enjoy the meats fellas
lobbes: asciilifeform: main reason for not wanting to host it on usg box is mainly because logger is also running on there and a) don't want too many eggs in one basket and b) don't want too many things interfacing with same postgres database (since actionbot is on top of logbot which also logs every line, and I dunno if this will slow things down or what. I like the idea of segregating them in this sense)
lobbes: And the rest of my boxen are VPSen, which just suck in general for most things
lobbes:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1942856 << in my case, I *think* I have all the backups I need. I had the presence of mind to run my backup script of auctionbot data and blog dump when I logged in for final time. There is always a chance I forgot something or dump is corrupt, etc. Will find out in the coming days once heathen replacement comes online
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 00:14:42 BingoBoingo: I imagine RockChip customers as well may need some files
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 22:19:09 mod6: Also, told bv to tap trinque on the shoulder.
trinque: if indeed we're scuttling piz, BingoBoingo may have the hardware I sent on bv's run as a gift.
trinque: it can be sold, scrapped, w/e makes sense.
trinque: I'd like a final backup of my uy1 web dir, blog and w/e else is in there.
trinque: I can arrange to have an sftp destination for the contents.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 14:34:28 BingoBoingo: Trinque's
recent post had me reevaluating the dietary situation and adjusting. I'd been taking it for granted Milk is rich in Vitamin D, etc only to discover... The locals throw some folic acid in flour y Ya! After making some dietary adjustments the last few weeks of winter were less "blah" burdened than te preceeding.
trinque: brb, moving my bouncer to another box.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 05:53:12 mp_en_viaje: 2. do you want another employee ? he's hardworking and learns fast if not particularly well versed right now ; some kind of apprenticeship is probably on the table.
BingoBoingo: Rest of the usb-ttyls out along with misc adapters
trinque: hey BingoBoingo, how are you holding up?
BingoBoingo: trinque: Not as bad as Sunday. It's a different stress, but its been a fairly productive stress.
trinque: I've been part of plenty of failed business ventures, know the burn.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 00:14:17 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: before piz lost shirt twice. so far most of what learned is 'electrified fence around zone, hurts' )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will do the lookup. That information's going to be in what survives of the ancient GPGmessNotes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will do that lookup however, later
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He's been billed straight colo. His FUCKGOATS
trinque: I wouldn't mind having the fg when it can be arranged, actually.
trinque: the rest isn't worth the cost of shipping out
trinque: drives kind of suspect after any deployment, etc
trinque: can, or trashed. I don't tend to put sensitive items on webservers.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He's got two crematory type disks and to spinning rusts along with a spare spinning rust
trinque: blog tarball can be had? eta?
BingoBoingo: trinque: working on a place to put tarballs. If you have a place you want me to sftp it, I can GPGgram my ssh pubkey
trinque: how much space do you need for the whole drop?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This little machine will take time to produce the tarballs.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Not including the databases, it was around 35 GB iirc. Will go down with tar.gz, but uncertain how much
BingoBoingo to take a short walk with the back unloaded before turning in.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Thought popped in on getting the handcart in and out without asking for the special cart door priviledge, but will have to wait for daylight.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: asciilifeform Well there's the FG inside whatever boxes have them
mod6: BingoBoingo: Got your message, thanks for your work. Yeah, go get some rest, I'll msg ya again tomorrow. Cheers!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One last thing. We had a neighbor installed later than us. That rack is now all air dams without boxes.
trinque: feel free to dump the whole uy1 wad there, and I can get folks ssh access to their stuff.
trinque: make sure to encrypt to their key and sign with yours, of course
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 22:13:30 asciilifeform: mod6: incidentally imho diana_coman 1) understands it about as well as asciilifeform 2) is a+++ pedagogue .
diana_coman: ftr I consider FFA mandatory for #o & rather entry level at that but so far people still need to excavate selves to get to that entry level even.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:58:34 mod6: There is a lot of work re: trb that does need to be done too. Another thing that was nagging at me... if we're to have a "university", we also need materials. And technical materials can be 'trb' coad itself; however, it might be cool to have an annotated source.
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942134 << thinking of this, on one hand i dislike the informalism. it's not "mp will accept these back", s.nsa is an actual person, exactly as much as you are, and doesn;t suddenly dissolve just because you don't particularly like the way things played out. the whole story of "oh, do X or you'll die" was, throughout, backed by exactly this backstop. this is the piper, this is how you
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 00:53:16 asciilifeform: snsa bought its share of piz for FG crate + 2 boxen ( the very smg boxen in fact ) , perhaps mp will accept these back .
mp_en_viaje: it's not "s.nsa is a thing for as long as i can carry on doing what i fucking feel like i doing, but should that become untenable it can just dissipate into thin air".
mp_en_viaje: and in general, this purely latino whore style of "i don't mind what they call it for as long as i can keep doing exactly the fuck it was i was gonna do anyway" dun werk.
mp_en_viaje: it did not work for the original latino whores ; it did not work for dpb, "oh, ima call myself a republican but really, what i'm interested in is remarkably stupid sterlie shit". not worked for phf idem exactly, and will not work fucking generally.
mp_en_viaje: so the discussion will absolutely be carried in terms of "is this generating value for nsa shareholders", not "will mp be persuaded".
mp_en_viaje: what value does it generate ? is it a good deal for nsa, to trade half a bitcoin for a coupla used dc machines, even leaving aside how these eminently constitute what asciilifeform knows to be called "surplus", through the process he oft described in logs of buying stuff for pennies ?
mp_en_viaje: more importantly, what the fuck, we paid DC prices to rent machines so that pizarro could have a book, now we also buy them back so pizarro doesn't have a downside ? what the fuck is this, training for failure ?
mp_en_viaje: this is why renting costs more than ownership, precisely and specifically this : that the owner's stuck with the risks of owning.
mp_en_viaje: i'm not against nsa paying fair market value for the things, if you want them ; but fair MARKET value, not alf-value where he insanely calls things maxint and worthless according to the elucubrative needs of his deranged mental processes, which somehow manage to produce
http://archive.is/qLu5P time and time and time again (and even notices this), but
no substantial change.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 12:04:34 mp_en_viaje: you said "my place is ordained here" i asked who ordained. you said "priests". this begs the question, why are you here ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 16:36:01 diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, maybe s.nsa could sell hardware including rk plants? for me asciilifeform-seal is worth something really.
mp_en_viaje would also pay something for spinoza-polished lenses ; but because i'm perverse not because they're worth it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 16:44:01 diana_coman: I got to the point where I'm firing them emails ~ can I order that or the other *without* your "account" that I utterly don't need; and similar.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: actually I woke up to a bunch of emails saying "you do need an account BUT no need to fill in any info really, just email plz"
mp_en_viaje: just that, no more, merely repeated over and over AND OVER again. who knows, maybe if you ask the same dumb question enough times the answer changes/
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, maybe the right move here is to construct a little counter, you know ? "i'd like to use your services, this is what you have to do".
diana_coman: for extra lulz had some swiss guys too: I asked them 4 questions even numbered; they took 1 day to come back with a reply that sort-of and without referencing, covered maybe 2; I replied and pointed out that an aswer that doesn't answer makes for funny reading so will they answer questions 1 and 4 now? they came back answering only 1.
mp_en_viaje: nobody could accuse him of not handling that inbox.
diana_coman: you mean like "data centres wanting to actually do business, here's what you need to do" ?
mp_en_viaje: "you have to register your gpg key, and issue me invoices thus and following". make it short clear and complete, and that's that.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:23:40 diana_coman: I suppose I'm so outside of their corporation worksheet that they just blink for 4 minutes and reset to next point on the checklist
mp_en_viaje: get one of those machines-gangsaying-machines thing going, what can possibly be hurt.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 16:47:50 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i currently do not know why mp
fatwa'd ro, but must assume it was not because flag is wrong three colours
mp_en_viaje: which worked ok for them, historically : they started the game ~same century as germany, and have bucharest to show for it.
mp_en_viaje: (this is a literalism : it is likely caesar's original target, to "plunder something and get out of debt" was dacia not gaul ; but dacia too strong for him at the time)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:11:48 lobbes:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942586 << I anticipated this response, but not sure how you figure utterly insane. I'm not asciilifeform nor diana_coman for e.g.; I'm still pretty "green" at programming and need to research each design phase and thoroughly test my implementations as I go to make sure it is correct. Oftentimes discover "shit, I fucked up, need to redo this part". I.e. learning as I go
mp_en_viaje: "sure, most people specializing in serving breakfast for a fee can produce omlets in about ten minutes. but they start with a ready kitchen, which already contains eg eggs"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:14:15 diana_coman: but no, they called 3 dudes to talk to me and still can't get over this outlandish idea that I do.not.want.to.make.account.with.them
mp_en_viaje: it's not even untenable to pay a little extra for it, i guess.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:23:34 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently they don't want wheels scuffing up the floors of the lobby, hence have to use service entrance
mp_en_viaje: these people have no floorwashing crew where they live ?
mp_en_viaje: considering they're all fucking glorified floor washers...
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:26:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like 9000x greater concern for their (indeed mirror-smooth, i nearly slipped on it) marble floor , than for working dc!!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:27:16 asciilifeform: in piz tower pushed what looked like button in the lift, it fell N stories down, and hole -- razor-sharp
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:31:57 lobbes: asciilifeform: I dunno, you got that logotron out at breakneck speedz ( I know you recycled phuctor's www chunks, but still )
mp_en_viaje: and the whole delco assemblage for it seems to be a single internally represented bit. whether he feels like he can do it / it could be done / should be done / the priests approve, nfi.
diana_coman: I suppose next time I'm in Bucharest, if I *really* have nothing to do, I'll go and visit data centre, make them call one another until the room is full and keep them going blink-blink
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, all im saying is, have a ready sheet somewhere.
diana_coman: yes, I need to write it down ready for paste, indeed.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, or alternatively, could just go to vienna instead, have cup of coffee
diana_coman: austrians know how to make proper hot chocolate!
mp_en_viaje: anyway, not like i forbade ro dc. i merely observed that very likely not worth anyone's time, an observation anyone's welcome to dispute, why not
diana_coman: so far they failed spectacularly in my books, what can I say; malaysians might do better.
mp_en_viaje: for instance, on basis of pizarro experience, mp currently thinks latam is a joke technologically, similarly.
mp_en_viaje: can't source parts, can't wash floors, what is it for, "gimme" ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:32:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol naturally, can't have broken lamps!111 or smudged floor! who needs a working cable!1111
ossabot: Logged on 2016-05-04 10:59:33 mircea_popescu: how did that george costanza quote go, "but mr tuttle, consider i'm in the smaller office!"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:34:46 asciilifeform: they were thought to be untrainable. but turned out that erry cat had a performance that he's willingly do. was matter of finding.
mp_en_viaje: training is making the kitty do what she doesn't do, not what she was waiting to do all along.
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942736 << it's approx what i do. though still interrupted, which is the principal function of the harem in fact. but i'll point out that it is fallacy of naive linear extension to imagine "3, 4, 10, 100 days" works quite like that. yes uninterrupted slots are good, but not experimentaly useful past a few hours. yes the knowledge, certified by experience, that "can get back to this wh
mp_en_viaje: enever" is even more useful. but uninterruptedness per se breeds insanity.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:52:09 asciilifeform: picture, to be able to actually think about something uninterrupted for 3, 4, 10, 100 days!!
mp_en_viaje: in fact, i currently suspect the principal avenue through which the marginally retarded / autistic "engineer" bois of contemporaneity are built is through parents ineptly failing to recognize these children's preference for non-interrupting as a disease symptom, and catering to it.
mp_en_viaje: rather than "it's something in the water" etc. the wankasteries are built by overgrown bois who were permitted to live as uninterruptedly as they pleased, age 4.5 to 7ish.
mp_en_viaje: then of course the fantasy becomes unsustainable once school starts, so they acquire as a bonus on the side all the desocialization brought by being morosely aloof and ineptly derpy
instead of vital. and from there on... you got pretty much the whole enchilada, aged 10 or so the boi's already useless, THROUGH TRAINING. and will likely stay useless his whole lfie.
mp_en_viaje: in other news, spessart in the fulda gap is beautiful in the autumn.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 18:32:02 asciilifeform: 'lately spring broke, from cold, / like from prison, once more, / by mistake once i let out a word: / 'friend, leave a little to smoke!' / silence -- was all i heard, as he never returned from the war.'
mp_en_viaje: the true disadvantage of old age is that the spring outside's never the spring you befriended, and knew.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 20:06:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho.
mp_en_viaje: could be a good idea for isps of the future to keep ~weight~ accouintancy as well. you never know.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 20:33:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also you'll want to at least attempt to get that security deposit back.
mp_en_viaje: this makes one feel great when "it works", but experimentally it almost never does anything -- hurts their feelings if they were going to pay anyway, and otherwise god himself can't squeeze blood out of stone.
mp_en_viaje: but, the feelings of idiots should be hurt as a matter of course.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 20:37:02 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is
owed and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.
mp_en_viaje: nothing wrong with talking to a local legal guy, see what he says in any case.
mp_en_viaje: no point in trying to optimize early / hammer down details before that though.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:03:37 asciilifeform: mod6: yer unlikely to get ~anyffin for it if sold in orcistan.
mp_en_viaje: and the premium was something insane like 150-200% half the time. not to mentio nthe conditions mindblowing -- three week delays "perfectly acceptable, no refunds need be offered" on items promised for overnight delivery etc.
mp_en_viaje: i can't conceive why the fuck you'd not get 50% over list value merely for the thing being in uy already.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:05:48 asciilifeform: btw if anyone doesn't want his box, i'll buy it (undisked naturally) for cost of postage.
mp_en_viaje: list the shit up for sale on their ebay clone and see wtf.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:06:52 asciilifeform: orc market aint payin' squat for boxes, i suspect.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:08:07 asciilifeform: mod6: orc attourneys i suspect dun charge megabux. but imho worth to find what'd cost. perhaps even 1 would work on contingency, and then only costs to feed BingoBoingo .
mp_en_viaje: i seem to recall this other attorney that didn't charge megabux (in fact, like a hundy or so per month) that i've surprise-discovered in your wake and on which you've been owin me for like a year now. i'm starting to think it'll get discharged "for cost of postage" also, just as soon as i'm ready ?
mp_en_viaje: just how, HOW the fuck does the noggin work on your shoulders, dude ? you think paying a coupla grand a month for dc pipe is maxint while you think dc hardware you carried through customs at great expense and is locally irreplaceable has no resale value, you think lawyers will be cheap while you don't pay lawyers that were cheap, you think lawyers could help you but lawyers with proven track record of helping you ~screamingly~ misma
mp_en_viaje: it's not JUST that you fucked up your most recent venture by brushing hair while the barn burned.
mp_en_viaje: its that every single fucking item in your life is this exercise in imaginary minimaxing, the burning sulphur and frogs rain outside is "not too bad" but the vcr clock not being set is "intolerable and requires your immediate attention" and so in this vein until the three legged half-sphere cows come home.
mp_en_viaje: every time im talking to you about anything touching business it's like talking to a literary character.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:10:14 BingoBoingo: On some level once the auditions to see if any lawyers are hungrier than present counsel are concluded, if a suit isn't feasible counsel may be necessary to cleanly send the contract to /dev/null should latecho get combative
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:11:45 asciilifeform: mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract.
mp_en_viaje: be that as it may : one particularly inept internet provider in costa rica (whom i suspect by now is just a local-dressup verizon or coxco or somesuch rural midwestern bs) failed to deliver to spec ; were warned to either immediately remedy or else (which they ignored) ; were ordered to close the contract (which they claimed they did) ; sent a further bill, which was returned with lolz (they responded by pointing out that contract c
mp_en_viaje: an't be cancelled). were sent to /dev/null henceforth.
mp_en_viaje: i still have somewhere in the basement all of their gear, which i have no intention of returning ; for their side they sent however many REALLY IMPORTANT notices, then started sms-ing the phone about imaginary "court cases" and then started offering "settlements". and then nfi, i hadn't followed, the humor value ran thin.
mp_en_viaje: the moral being that contrary to what the pantsuit dweebery dept may be trying (and occasionally succeeding) in imprinting upon midwestern helicopter moms, the recourse of 3 ring binder corp putting forth claims upon its failure to service contracts is exactly nil.
mp_en_viaje: but in any case i'd say it's immoral to give the latechco idiots more money ; and stupid to burn good money chasing out imaginary obligations according to idiots.
mp_en_viaje: and, ethically speaking, if this means you hafta leave uruguay, leave fucking uruguay, because ~IT IS BROKEN~.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:17:35 asciilifeform: mod6: currently i'm thinking, we do not need 'liquidator' a la bbet. we, ourselves, can properly play the orchestra as the ship goes down.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:18:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd rather not put those on a heathen hoster, but let's ask the affected folx 1st.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:22:28 asciilifeform: we are to set a proper standard, imho, for seppuku.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:25:23 asciilifeform: dc was bought out (presumably 'to make netflix cache' tho i dun specifically know its fate) and all subscribers hung to dry.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 13:54:38 mp_en_viaje: the end result of "null-routed ip space for half a day whenever someone decides to spend 10 bux on '''ddos'''" is reproducible via 50 dubaloos/month in hand of any rando nobody/
scammer off sitepoint forums ; no need to buy whole c blocks if they just null-route by the c-block like inconceivab
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:47:31 asciilifeform: incidentally i dun agree w/ mp's verdict that tbf is somehow broken (aside from 1 of the 2 chairs having gone awol.) charter reads, clearly, 'This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference implementation.' this was carried out .
mp_en_viaje: but no, it's not actually in breach of its charter. it's just fucking dead inthe water, what.
mp_en_viaje: what maintain, nobody even fucking heard of it. it's not like rando walks in here to sell me his dc / sister and when i ask "you know what all of this is" he goes "well, i know about tbf..."
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:48:21 asciilifeform: there is nuffin in the charter regarding e.g. carrying out propaganda, or even the building of noades. (tho both imho are Right Thing)
mp_en_viaje: you know what stanford's charter is ? here : "First, the Nature, Object, and Purposes of the Institution Hereby Founded, to Be: Its nature, that of a university with such seminaries of learning as shall make it of the highest grade, including mechanical institutes, museums, galleries of art, laboratories, and conservatories, together with all things necessary for the study of agriculture in all its branches, and for mechanical train
mp_en_viaje: ing, and the studies and exercises directed to the cultivation and enlargement of the mind: Its object, to qualify its students for personal success, and direct usefulness in life; And its purposes, to promote the public welfare by exercising an influence in behalf of humanity and civilization, teaching the blessings of liberty regulated by law, and inculcating love and reverence for the great principles of government as derived fro
mp_en_viaje: m the inalienable rights of man to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
mp_en_viaje: according to this charter, Fayetteville State University just as "fulfills".
mp_en_viaje: heck, even pizarro delivers uruguay dc services to its customers even today.
mp_en_viaje: (btw : Fayetteville State University is 2/3 female, and worst crime rate in the state. because that's what happens when you mix inclusivity with female-friendliness, you build a rape shack.)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:49:15 asciilifeform: mod6: why not want to be involved ?
mp_en_viaje: this aren't fucking onorifics, i dunno how to put it in some form comprehensible to the morgraine fans. these are opportunities to do work. "doing something" is not doing work.
mp_en_viaje: if the thing dun work -- you've not been working, there's no subjective-standard basis for arguing this, "oh look how much i sweated" or anything like that. shit gotta work for activity to be called work.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:51:32 asciilifeform: nao asciilifeform is no one in tbf. but will be sad if it comes to be the case that there is no tbf to fund emplacements of noades, curation of the ref. trb (incl. mod6's very fine build system) .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 19:15:27 asciilifeform: will put in l0gz, ftr : the only nodes that gave >100 blox of the 46115 :
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:47:31 asciilifeform: incidentally i dun agree w/ mp's verdict that tbf is somehow broken (aside from 1 of the 2 chairs having gone awol.) charter reads, clearly, 'This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference implementation.' this was carried out .
mp_en_viaje: "oh, it'll be sad to not have a thing we don't have, to do things it didn't do anyway that i just argued i tshouldn't have been doing in any case".
mp_en_viaje: yes, it'd have been perfectly fine to say, YEAR+ AGO WHEN THIS CAME UP, "well mp, maybe we don't do other things, but we have a donations program that's growing an average 0.2% per month, predicated on building trb nodes, which we do built, at the rate of ~one per quarter".
mp_en_viaje: this -- was not said, then. don't fucking cpome to me with your insulting infantile narrative bullshit today, as if i've fucking forgotten,.
mp_en_viaje: they sat on ass and sucked each other dicks about how important they are for bitcoin "Because mp says so" while bitcoin went exactly by them, like all other
plowing flies. but like EXACTLY.
mp_en_viaje: this ground was covered already, and in the exact terminology, of "your whole relevancy to this space is my say so, you've built nothing out of it, and if tomorrow i do not say you do not fucking exist, idiots".
mp_en_viaje: attempts to re-approach this without addressing the central fucking problem will result in what pantsuitism always results in -- ima fucking cut the involved heads and move on.
mp_en_viaje: no outreach = no foundation. forget about it.
mp_en_viaje: no outreach = no business. forget about it.
mp_en_viaje: no foundation, no business, there may be a MINOR place for castrated bois on the farm, but it's in the barn not in the house.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:52:11 asciilifeform: imho these are the fundamentals, without which all other adventures pertaining to trb (e.g. propaganda) are meaningless.
mp_en_viaje: everything you do, each day, is meaningless and stays meaningless. you even understand this yourself, in [][a different compartment] of the stupid head.
mp_en_viaje: meh, i'd have linked the "oh, nobody reads these" plaintive from before, including with the very nice article if yielded on diana_coman 's site, but of coruse one too old the other not routable, what can i do.
mp_en_viaje: the shit you do isn't ~the basis~ for outreach. outreach is the basis for the shit you do, which is why and wherefore you've been productive since the republic and depressed prior.
mp_en_viaje: stop confusing cause and effect, stop looking up the wrong name server roots, stop minimaxing randomly about, it's the stuff of insanity.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:53:52 mod6: I would like to see trb carry-on indeed. Now, perhaps, more than ever, is needed as a check against wild shitcoiners out there.
mp_en_viaje: sure, anytime someone;s ready to do some useful shit there's a shitton of useful shit that's needed.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile the MOMENT something buds, it's not even actually waited until it buds, just as soon as it's NAMED -- whopeee, everyone's happily checked out again, flipped off the switch, their work here's done, let the name and inertia carry on through the ages.
mp_en_viaje: erryone got some figurines to paint in the den.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:58:34 mod6: There is a lot of work re: trb that does need to be done too. Another thing that was nagging at me... if we're to have a "university", we also need materials. And technical materials can be 'trb' coad itself; however, it might be cool to have an annotated source.
mp_en_viaje: if the church not ever built, they can nicely decorate your underbed o w/e, it's been done before.
mp_en_viaje: go, why not, retrace old ground, maybe you could start work on re-writing a lisp interpreter also. or who knows. something impractical in any case.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 22:04:05 mod6: lol, werd. it's all important, indeed.
mp_en_viaje: it works just the fuck fine, and i wouldn't have a buncha morons that can't get a biplane off the ground touch it in any case.
mp_en_viaje: first, make some real world shit work. then, MAYBE. though, honestly, i'd much rather have bitcoin work done by other people, while you spend the rest of your lives seling aluminum siding door to door and eating a machine sandwich each other day.
mp_en_viaje: "oh hurr durr, everything we touch turns to shit, let's fix bitcoin herp"
mp_en_viaje: it's not "i can't do my job, therefore i have more important things to do". there's no fucking refuge available in hallucinaria, "more important" things you self-declare yourself apt for.
mp_en_viaje: you'te not fucking apt for anything, if yo ucan't run a foundation, something any middle aged sad female abandoned by her offspring manages just fine, if you can't manage a cozy isp with a bunchload of friendl contracts, it's not because "you're dragons called to plough",
mp_en_viaje: it's because you're a bunch of mangy old asses that are NEVER going to be asked to fly or spit fire.
mp_en_viaje: check it out, the pompous donothings, here we sit like it's 2011 still and herpy derp's good enough, say two hail marys and al will work out.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 22:19:47 mod6: And mentioned that if he wants to, he can stop by for a nomination to the co-chair.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 22:29:55 asciilifeform: but imho if actually maintaining the proggy dun come 1st, then what may end with is item resembling the pseudofoundation, which has lengthy tentacles but 0 grasp of the orig. item (not even enuff grasp to do seriously complex evil, for the most part.)
mp_en_viaje: wouldn't survive all of ten minutes in your golum hands, of course, to everyone;s great sadness. but while it stands it won't permit the idiocy.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 23:20:36 trinque: if indeed we're scuttling piz, BingoBoingo may have the hardware I sent on bv's run as a gift.
mp_en_viaje: good skill/personality fit to the demands, well paid in demand job, you could prolly excel at it.
mp_en_viaje: if i had to guess, my guess as to your best course atm would be to try and find an on-site dc tech job somewhere. pretty much no matter where, just as long as it's genuine work rather than makework wank.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 00:46:55 asciilifeform: all dc in immediate 50km around asciilifeform , appear to have gone 'usg-only'.
mp_en_viaje: but yes, obviously w'ere losing a window. having to start from scratch years later means we're starting in a more hostile enviroment, of course the internet is closing up etc.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 10:23:54 mp_en_viaje: "sure, most people specializing in serving breakfast for a fee can produce omlets in about ten minutes. but they start with a ready kitchen, which already contains eg eggs"
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 09:33:28 mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942134 << thinking of this, on one hand i dislike the informalism. it's not "mp will accept these back", s.nsa is an actual person, exactly as much as you are, and doesn;t suddenly dissolve just because you don't particularly like the way things played out. the whole story of "oh, do X or you'll die" was, throughout, backed by exactly this backstop. this is the pip
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 00:53:16 asciilifeform: snsa bought its share of piz for FG crate + 2 boxen ( the very smg boxen in fact ) , perhaps mp will accept these back .
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 09:40:42 mp_en_viaje: what value does it generate ? is it a good deal for nsa, to trade half a bitcoin for a coupla used dc machines, even leaving aside how these eminently constitute what asciilifeform knows to be called "surplus", through the process he oft described in logs of buying stuff for pennies ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 09:50:44 mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942651 << this is a thing we considered before even. the fundamental problem with it is that it's phd-assemblyline essentially, the work is worth 10 bux an hour but can only be done by like... one guy in the werld. i think it rather a pitfall.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 16:36:01 diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, maybe s.nsa could sell hardware including rk plants? for me asciilifeform-seal is worth something really.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 16:47:50 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i currently do not know why mp
fatwa'd ro, but must assume it was not because flag is wrong three colours
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:26:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like 9000x greater concern for their (indeed mirror-smooth, i nearly slipped on it) marble floor , than for working dc!!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:27:16 asciilifeform: in piz tower pushed what looked like button in the lift, it fell N stories down, and hole -- razor-sharp
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 10:35:25 mp_en_viaje: for instance, on basis of pizarro experience, mp currently thinks latam is a joke technologically, similarly.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 10:45:07 mp_en_viaje: rather than "it's something in the water" etc. the wankasteries are built by overgrown bois who were permitted to live as uninterruptedly as they pleased, age 4.5 to 7ish.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:02:43 mp_en_viaje: the true disadvantage of old age is that the spring outside's never the spring you befriended, and knew.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 20:06:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 20:37:02 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is
owed and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:08:07 asciilifeform: mod6: orc attourneys i suspect dun charge megabux. but imho worth to find what'd cost. perhaps even 1 would work on contingency, and then only costs to feed BingoBoingo .
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:24:19 mp_en_viaje: just how, HOW the fuck does the noggin work on your shoulders, dude ? you think paying a coupla grand a month for dc pipe is maxint while you think dc hardware you carried through customs at great expense and is locally irreplaceable has no resale value, you think lawyers will be cheap while you don't pay lawyers that were cheap, you think lawyers could help you but lawyers with proven track record of helping you
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:22:37 mp_en_viaje: i seem to recall this other attorney that didn't charge megabux (in fact, like a hundy or so per month) that i've surprise-discovered in your wake and on which you've been owin me for like a year now. i'm starting to think it'll get discharged "for cost of postage" also, just as soon as i'm ready ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:11:45 asciilifeform: mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:38:14 mp_en_viaje: and, ethically speaking, if this means you hafta leave uruguay, leave fucking uruguay, because ~IT IS BROKEN~.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:18:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd rather not put those on a heathen hoster, but let's ask the affected folx 1st.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 12:09:35 mp_en_viaje: attempts to re-approach this without addressing the central fucking problem will result in what pantsuitism always results in -- ima fucking cut the involved heads and move on.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 12:25:43 mp_en_viaje: go, why not, retrace old ground, maybe you could start work on re-writing a lisp interpreter also. or who knows. something impractical in any case.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 12:28:29 mp_en_viaje: first, make some real world shit work. then, MAYBE. though, honestly, i'd much rather have bitcoin work done by other people, while you spend the rest of your lives seling aluminum siding door to door and eating a machine sandwich each other day.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 12:33:12 mp_en_viaje: check it out, the pompous donothings, here we sit like it's 2011 still and herpy derp's good enough, say two hail marys and al will work out.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 00:46:55 asciilifeform: all dc in immediate 50km around asciilifeform , appear to have gone 'usg-only'.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's not an auction thing. It's a classified ad thing. If we want to do both we'll probably have to auctionbot with a floor, then give them some time on OrcadoLibre, then when patience or reason runs out second auction on auctionbot is what I'm thinking.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 08:38:54 mp_en_viaje: and, ethically speaking, if this means you hafta leave uruguay, leave fucking uruguay, because ~IT IS BROKEN~.
BingoBoingo: But, the day to get out of Uruguay is not today, or tomorrow, or this week.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 09:44:43 mp_en_viaje: if i had to guess, my guess as to your best course atm would be to try and find an on-site dc tech job somewhere. pretty much no matter where, just as long as it's genuine work rather than makework wank.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Picking a coordinate on a timeline spec'd with "as soon as" seems like a rush if the circumstances aren't forcing it.
BingoBoingo: The last thing I want to do is pick a spot on the globe and go there with even less of idea of "Wat do" than was present when I picked Uruguay.
BingoBoingo: But his description of the childhood, it seemed to hit the mark.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 2 years ago I was in the zone. Now I am out of the zone in an area populated by one kind of tard.
BingoBoingo: MP's informative tour writeups suggest all the world is mostly populated by tards of some sort.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If everyone clusters in the same hole, however nice, there will still be colorrevolution tards. Them's the brakes.
BingoBoingo: And speaking with other small business folks on the Monday lawyer/networking walk suggests Uruguay may see a cascaded of non-farm business failures in near future. This may or may not be an interesting watch.
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, i don't need it, nor want it, nor does it help anything.
mp_en_viaje: what i need, and want, and would help plenty, would be more competent people who can AND DO solve the relevant problems.
mp_en_viaje: such that for instance, when i say "well, convert your namecheap membership into an irc bot, and open it to the republic then", people don't go "omfg mp, what unthinkable thing, let me spend now 6 years '''meditating''' in my wankastery".
mp_en_viaje: but you deliver it in a fortnight and then i can hang everyone who doesn't similarly, for being a wayward dick-in-hands.
mp_en_viaje: and presto, solution to pantsuit websitization and accountization in hand.
mp_en_viaje: well for one BingoBoingo selflessly saved everyone from having to confront the "wtf are you doing" thing for a year or two.
mp_en_viaje: but yes, the whole fucking concept's that perhaps pooling salvation might work.
mp_en_viaje: why does it always have to be someone else ?
mp_en_viaje: don't tell me "priests", please, for love of my sides.
mp_en_viaje: and i fixed some ru verse. this is like complaining about chocolate.
mp_en_viaje: but im just saying, gotta stretch the mind, can't always to the same shape
mp_en_viaje: just the beatign by iself ain't gonna do much.
diana_coman: younghands.club is back online at its new IP 185.163.47.240 restored from existing backups, apparently without data-loss.
diana_coman: fwiw the bitch was making sure I have latest mpwp; because shit, hanbot's site is down, billymg's site is down and yes, I had backups of the db and www but not of all software too, sigh.
mp_en_viaje: i guess we're gonna have to get a "all v-trees everywhere" program going systematically
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: myeah, I had the ref code page on ossasepia.com ; ofc; of fucking course.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 10:55:34 asciilifeform: eats log, w/ high-quality mp flames etc, may take while
mp_en_viaje: in fact, have been using him like this for years ; and amusingly last night fell on passage, "Thence I after dinner to the Duke of York's playhouse, and there saw "Sir Martin Mar-all;" which I have seen so often, and yet am mightily pleased with it, and think it mighty witty, and the fullest of proper matter for mirth that ever was writ; and I do clearly see that they do improve in their acting of it. "
mp_en_viaje: which is funny, because story in a story, look that what he says of his life's my life's usage of his.
diana_coman: anyway, for now I think it won't hurt to put up a page with vpatches on younghands.club too
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 09:50:44 mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942651 << this is a thing we considered before even. the fundamental problem with it is that it's phd-assemblyline essentially, the work is worth 10 bux an hour but can only be done by like... one guy in the werld. i think it rather a pitfall.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 16:36:01 diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, maybe s.nsa could sell hardware including rk plants? for me asciilifeform-seal is worth something really.
mp_en_viaje: however, sex tapes are worth minwage, and only because that's what minwage means (in socialism), the arbitrary value of hour of sweat
mp_en_viaje: (its value, incidentally, is positive also because of the market effect -- if retard was there doing that therefore was
not somewhere else doing something else, and the value of the spurious man not hindering the actual humans is positive always.
mp_en_viaje: in this sense, minimum wage is a substitute for the capital cost of having the moron shot.
mp_en_viaje: now, to continue the analogy -- certain people prefer certain people's sex tapes, very drastically, in that will buy no others.
mp_en_viaje: but the market still is what the market is -- unless you can convince ~a whole group~ to apply the above algo, you've got nothing. hence the importance of outreach.
mp_en_viaje: which sums up to, there are TWO key ingredients in getting paid. work that not many can do ~and that many want~.
mp_en_viaje: work that not many can do that not many want is exactly the
stupid girl trap. alf's highly dramatized whinings about tin soldiers aside, i'd very much like to protect my household, however construed, from such wasteful fate.
mp_en_viaje: which is both why a) my girls, while required to perfrom ~just as well as whores~ nevertheless aren't on sale with the other whores and b) i don't see the wisdom in trained-monkey-alf-business.
mp_en_viaje: consider also that, as far as anyone knew, working pizarro was ~only avenue of resolving the "by large group" issue. yes, if pizarro became 2020s digitalocean, then surely the demand on alf-sealed hw would have become such that alf... what ?
mp_en_viaje: if then million people want your hand-made linzer torte / apfelstrudel / whatever, what do you do ?
mp_en_viaje: all the strudel in austria and bavaria was SHAITE incomprehensible. it was called that, it came from there, it was not worth the eating.
mp_en_viaje: because obviously, how the fuck are they gonna mass-market the definitive lordly product, strudel existed back in the day when the consumers were few, not many.
mp_en_viaje: takes a lot of actual work to make properly, who's gonna do it
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 16:47:50 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i currently do not know why mp
fatwa'd ro, but must assume it was not because flag is wrong three colours
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 15:43:27 mp_en_viaje: consider also that, as far as anyone knew, working pizarro was ~only avenue of resolving the "by large group" issue. yes, if pizarro became 2020s digitalocean, then surely the demand on alf-sealed hw would have become such that alf... what ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 19:37:44 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd happily sell. but who to buy...
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943301 << you know who did a lot of thinking ? Karl Philipp, Fürst zu Schwarzenberg. alledgedly, at least to hear the austrians, this dood did a whole lotta thinking. so much and so hard he thought, he even had a special thinkery where he hand-picked other thinkers to supplement the thinkers the kaisrin provided out of her own tinkerbands.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:08:57 asciilifeform:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943147 << mp achieves what aristotel could not : overpowering fundamental contempt for not only physical labour, but intellectual ( of anyone other than mp's , naturally. newton -- autistic fucktard!1 thinking -- aint thinking, but 'autistic spin' unless done by mp over weapons-grade coffee in vienna on table made of three gurlz , etc )
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 10:45:07 mp_en_viaje: rather than "it's something in the water" etc. the wankasteries are built by overgrown bois who were permitted to live as uninterruptedly as they pleased, age 4.5 to 7ish.
mp_en_viaje: so much fucking thinking these people did, the whole empire ended as a going concern, and germany was made arounf austria.
mp_en_viaje: now fucking spare me with "intellectual work" of the ilk and on the level of "noli turbare circulos meos!!1"
mp_en_viaje: and, consider even : he spoke LATIN! wasn't even his native lang, he had the wherewithal to address the roman in his own tongue
mp_en_viaje: there's nothign "to say" in general and from outside like you propose.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 20:55:50 asciilifeform: many of'em had a distintly
la delle flavour. but for archaeologist not entirely uninteresting .
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, there was no ideological difference at work there. the schroedinger case is irrelevant (and, rather, herr s should have been hanged not when went to hitler, but when failed to say "yes i live with two women, so should you, shut it"
mp_en_viaje: by comparison to that poltroonism, errything else peanuts.
mp_en_viaje: i don't expect he was fucking anyone really. but, hey, diff it makes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 20:06:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, we're here living under impression hitler was all that much of man ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 20:37:02 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is
owed and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943317 << looky, among other things that dood did, was invent a whole new category of greencard for chet when i needed it. it involved suing the ro govt successfully, undder my management yes but he did the courtroom litigation and managed all the prepwork for it himself ; the end product was an item NOBODY ELSE, in the whole world ever had, a unique artefact of a permanent, court-or
mp_en_viaje: dered green card (all others have expiration date).
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:22:37 mp_en_viaje: i seem to recall this other attorney that didn't charge megabux (in fact, like a hundy or so per month) that i've surprise-discovered in your wake and on which you've been owin me for like a year now. i'm starting to think it'll get discharged "for cost of postage" also, just as soon as i'm ready ?
mp_en_viaje: and, for that matter, to this very day i hold ro id issues by ~the county~ of timis ; all others, in all history, issued by ~a city~.
mp_en_viaje: if you lease champion stallion and fail to make it across the river on its back, it is not going to retrospectively anull the animals' achievements.
mp_en_viaje: i described the adventures of some girl who had no idea about public nudity last week, i think.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, was a .4 from prior to the .5 indeed ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Will have to dig deeper. I plan to to the full notes and accounting autopsy this weekend. ATM preparing the shared customer backups for uploading to deedbot.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, aite. no real ememrgency with the paperwork, ended up being discussed because alf being ridiculous, don't take his squirmings in all directions as some kind of "omg, now mp desperately needs accounts".
mp_en_viaje: i don't fucking need your latest accounts to hit his head against the rock, so put them out when they come.
mp_en_viaje: otherwise, if you two(/three, whatevs) decide you absolutely not want to sell boxes locally (preferably after having considered the matter, rather than some inept guesswork in the blind), sna can take gear in lieu of cash, but not at arbitrary rates of nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: the only reason i'd prefer not to is that it'll then go on the nsa books ; and the reason i don't really want to do THAT is not that it costs me anything to keep copy/pasting a line over the however many reports ;
mp_en_viaje: but the full expectation that it'll just sit there as an elevator button for alf to cut his arm into later, where he won't have them or who the fuck knows what happens.
mp_en_viaje: but that protective conservatism is ~all my concern in the matter.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well here discussed were pizarro owned items.
mp_en_viaje: you're not held to do marketing for other people's colocated gear, returning that's a-ok.
mp_en_viaje: actally, i had a crate of something or the other at some point, heh. or multiple.
mp_en_viaje: pretty sure i currently have over 10sqft of storage taken up by assorted nsa/etc detritus in cr as it stands, maybe a buncha pogos ?
mp_en_viaje: i dun feel like looking through inv bills rightnao.
mp_en_viaje: well, the problem is, if you ever want to get it back out, you'd better knwo where the fuck to get it back out of. so, yes.
mp_en_viaje: i don't invoive myself for my own basement just yet
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i recall at some point you were gonna make and publish an inventory of your kunstkammer
mp_en_viaje: back when sterile discussion that came to nothing re adding a hardware trade shop to pizarro was going, maybe early 2018
mp_en_viaje: how did that die, anyway ? might've paid enough to permit bb to stay, if ever actually started as opposed to talked about
mp_en_viaje: but people in uy who buy things, have to buy from someone who did ^
mp_en_viaje: you werent going to sell to ~you~, so lay off a second.
mp_en_viaje: pedro pococitos of cerito has to buy from someone who brought shit to cerito, he dun go t oberlin.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:11:45 asciilifeform: mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Contract only runs to feb 1st
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes dude, all life's possible for they who know how to live. a life of eating bugs is possible for frog, a life of eating shoots is possible to the deer, at the end of the day you're to come with some kind of life you can live or else join the foliage.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And yet I don't want to end up in deeper black hole for prematurely landing at some other spot on globe.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:02:39 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, they will be gassed with anyway, ima just have to have someone else remake 'em.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Where to next if anywhere is background question versus the immediate concern of cleaning up the Pizarro remains.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 16:15:10 mp_en_viaje: pretty sure i currently have over 10sqft of storage taken up by assorted nsa/etc detritus in cr as it stands, maybe a buncha pogos ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 13:24:39 asciilifeform: at this pt the retardation of uruguay seems to be a bottomless blackn hole. if we couldn't fill it then, why to think that can fill it nao ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:38:21 asciilifeform: diana_coman: know that not in erry box can one even put FG, even if orc willing to open it -- needs a pad of space. asciilifeform deliberately chose such boxes as had this space.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 23:21:49 asciilifeform: diana_coman:
here is how FGs went in machine, if this helps. if that space aint there (and in most boxes, in asciilifeform's experience, it aint) then can only put'em by e.g. forgoing raid card and using that space. or in 5in. disk slot (which most also lack.)
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i suspect you're missing the finer point here.
mp_en_viaje: yes, angela mcspeshulface's sex tape can only be made by angela mcspeshulface.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, people who are into her face can only be satisfied by her
mp_en_viaje: but because they who are so requiring ARE FEW, the aggregating effects of mass market STILL apply.
BingoBoingo gets that a point that seems to be datacenter tech'ing is the one of the few things for which Republic needs meat soldier
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, wasn't what i was saying here.
mp_en_viaje: i think ~for you, personally~, such as you are and irrespective of outside considerations, dc tech may be the best career path.
BingoBoingo: If you go into detail I will appreciate and read.
mp_en_viaje: the difference between dc tech and barrista is that dc tech MUST show up EVERY TIME. can't hit the snooze. is rather like surgeon in this respect. this -- you do.
mp_en_viaje: the difference between dc tech and oncologist is that what dc tech must know is 1/100 the volume. very similar sort of inexpressible minutia, but not requires 15+ years of direct practice. bright student can catch up in 6 to 9 mo
mp_en_viaje: the difference between dc tech and platoonleader is that dc tech need not situational awareness, possibly your weakest spot. has a boss, who tells him exactly what to do EACH time all the time no exceptions forever.
mp_en_viaje: these for the positive. for the negative, you managed to live in dc without hamhandling any cables / runing things with hooves / etc.
mp_en_viaje: this is pretty much the whole bar. i can think of no other professional line where this particular mix of dedication, greenishness and blindsidedness is equally adequate. and certainly of no better paying one.
mp_en_viaje: the only other similar thing is trucking, but imo that's poison for you, because too many people do it so it's been well colonized by specific preditors that are effectual enough.
mp_en_viaje: because he'll make some idiot friends and start doing stupid shit instead.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Motorcycles are a dying niche on the high end. Low end is all products of india.
mp_en_viaje: the ONE important thing is to latch on a dc that's run by a guy, quite like that mivo dude, and not by a retarded ugiistanism, "corporation"
mp_en_viaje: makes little diff, just the personality signature's right. like that douchebag dood or w/e, if trinque ran a dc i'd pack you tonight.
mp_en_viaje: well, if they did was his job to find on your/my dime prior, in any case.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By all appearances Latecho can't pay Uruguayos, and I did make their surviving sales and telecom managers pale this week. Guy seems to have gone oldgendered coverting Latecho to low investment netflix box pension
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje has sold me that datacenter tech is probably best career for me as I am today. Next obstacle is does any datacenter have the brains to take mp_en_viaje's recommendation with the necessary gravity.
mp_en_viaje: in any case, i can appreciate your wanting to stay, but it is possible uruguay not very good spot for you. could alternatively build that list of ixp's, start emailing cvs to all of them asking for employment. if get one, just tell the girl to come, odds are she will.
mp_en_viaje: vancouver is cold, but the pay's also better than whatever uruguay has to offer. rents&cost of living also higher, but odds are she doesn't comprehend that.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Right. asciilifeform: The place to be emailing ISPs would be Uruguay or WTF? Imma pack twice?
mp_en_viaje: you can mail from your current chair, what's the impediment
mp_en_viaje: can also be frank with them, "look, i came to uy to get isp going, worked ok for 3 years, dc died from under us, i got a girl and must relocate asap"
mp_en_viaje: you'll get a lowball offer which you take and then pivot later.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> you can mail from your current chair, what's the impediment << Just trying to squash the earlier "evac nao" hysterics
mp_en_viaje: "fuck you guise, i;m otta here" is for the sort of mobster-looking dude with a 10k usd brick in a steel clip in his pocket and iron packing escort grinning from over his shoulders.
mp_en_viaje: unless your style is "go to that store, bring me one of everything", "get in the car, we're going" isn't the way to go.
mp_en_viaje: let's call it simplistic and leave it at that.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 15:17:51 mp_en_viaje: i guess we're gonna have to get a "all v-trees everywhere" program going systematically
mp_en_viaje: (to clarify : build ipx list, because it lists live active dc/isp operatoons. you're not likely to get to work for the ixp directly as these are usually ~foundations, nonprofits)
BingoBoingo: Working parachutist generally doesn't jump without some sorta plan.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Right, gotta map the space and then fire the marketing payload.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 14:33:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect that you'll listen, but imho you oughta pick a coordinate from mp's globe and take that evacuation, as soon as the reactor's properly quenched.
mp_en_viaje: amusingly, a very remedial sort of exercise anyway.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, prolly will have to be an extension of logger bots, where they also act as vpatch registrers
mp_en_viaje: but you know, first, gotta see lobbes mp-wp combo, THEN
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 12:09:35 mp_en_viaje: attempts to re-approach this without addressing the central fucking problem will result in what pantsuitism always results in -- ima fucking cut the involved heads and move on.
mp_en_viaje: all things that do this will eventually be garbage collected, because wtf, we'll just drown in figurines otherwise.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 17:18:23 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, prolly will have to be an extension of logger bots, where they also act as vpatch registrers
mp_en_viaje: it'll get done, just, you know, in 2026 by currnet schendulling
mp_en_viaje: people, generally, ineptly failing to make ~good~ websites back in 2001 meant, necessarily, that the space'll eventually be taken up by "platforms". foss retards failing to make useful software back in 2006 meant, necessarily, that the space'll eventually be taken up by ubuntus. similarly with dcs, the "vibrant market" for many independent people's boxes is being eaten by netflix in the wake of googleamazon ops, and has been.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 12:25:43 mp_en_viaje: go, why not, retrace old ground, maybe you could start work on re-writing a lisp interpreter also. or who knows. something impractical in any case.
mp_en_viaje: wait for long enough, there will not be any fucking place to isp at, either.
mp_en_viaje: because this is what the socialist golum does : at first it is taken aback by new open field, "who knows, this could be ANYTHING". but then it starts weighing, and soon enough discovers a 1-2% cut of the field which "satisfies" 80% or so of the usage
mp_en_viaje: and when that happens, the field's fucked. permanently.
mp_en_viaje: entrenching resistence to this only works if yo uwork it -- there's eg excellent cheese available today (but only in yurp -- and trump banned, also, as part and parcel of PRACTICAL governance, because the wal doesn't matter but the fact ustards have ~noyhing to offer in counterparty for the fine euro cheese DOES matter)
mp_en_viaje: there exist good cheeses now because (mostly french) many anon farmers produced the structure to protect them.
mp_en_viaje: this wasn't A LOT of work, nor that hard to do. but it HAD TO BE DONE.
mp_en_viaje: there's not going to be eg computing, because "intelligent" bois of 0 value aren't any match for 1970s french farmers.
mp_en_viaje: i'm not making this shit up because i hate you. it's pre-made, and waiting.
mp_en_viaje: so no, i couldn't give less of a shit as things stand right now if ffa is "properly completed" or not ; nor if "more material" is made available as unqualified scribbles on trb code.
mp_en_viaje: what i give a shit about is the things i keep yelling about.
mp_en_viaje: again -- not because i hate you, but because things are what they are.
mp_en_viaje: correct summary was, "alf thought he came up with solution that avoids work ; mp pointed out to not do that ; alf tried to avoid work while doing thing closer to actual solution, and succeeded -- at avoiding work"
mp_en_viaje: no amount of "we finely carved this clump of gpg wood" will substitute for a single grain of "we did the outreach".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 14:28:55 mp_en_viaje: because this is what the socialist golum does : at first it is taken aback by new open field, "who knows, this could be ANYTHING". but then it starts weighing, and soon enough discovers a 1-2% cut of the field which "satisfies" 80% or so of the usage
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, well, because they did. socialist reinterpretation of capitalism is still socialist.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, sure, but atm we have plenty of springs.
mp_en_viaje: the not fine part is -- asciilifeform idiot, instead of loading sprins on truck, let truck leave empty, spent time digging more ore.
mp_en_viaje: i get it, you enjoy that part. nevertheless, you can't cook me a 2nd breakfast instead of serving me the first because you enjoy cooking more than serving.
BingoBoingo has shared server backups loading up to trinquebox. About to prepare for hardware recovery mission.
mp_en_viaje: isn't it fun, actually doing something rather than sitting twiddling thumbs worrying...
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: It's a stress, but as I'm sure I mentioned before... a productive stress. Beats the hell out of persistent stagnant dread-stress.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In a world where no one is shooting at Google, this may just as well be a more desperate situation than June '41 with respect to shaping the future.
BingoBoingo: The Chinese hadn't even gone through their backyard furnace experiment yet
BingoBoingo: Today, Germany sits driving Europe despite 1939-1945 playing out as they did.
BingoBoingo: Today for two years having passed since the 2017 state of necessity was declared... mp_en_viaje's evalution that for the time passing, the future of the internet seems darker... I can't dispute it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The thing is... The old one is being consumed.
mp_en_viaje: just as soon as we get enough aluminum siding salesmen together to actually make something of it.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile i have the serious problem that my girls, who didn't feel "the need" to produce any articles for week upon week UPON WEEK of pizarro working fine, now have major backlogs that can't get published
mp_en_viaje: considering the beatings it took, them as apparently everyone else, human retardation is fucking insuperable, to start doing this at all, i can't imagine anything more fucking annoying.
mp_en_viaje: either way whichever direction i turn, nothing but smooth wall of self-supporting "humans are imbeciles, born imbeciles, will stay imbeciles, fuck you mp". what should i do, ~temporary~ arrangement ? so the imbecile within can be "oh, so much trouble to keep moving this, let's not write" ?
mp_en_viaje: or what the fuck exactly. god damn it i'm sick of the permanent precise well-oiled functioning of the idiocy machine.
mp_en_viaje: or what, "hey, instead of sucking my toes & finding whores / palaces to hang out with, i'll pay for hotel rooms so you can sit and nerd out, find new hosts, install mp-wps, all that" ?
mp_en_viaje: or maybe, "you know what, write offline, just don't publish".
mp_en_viaje: so many excellent solutions delivering in the end nothing but an entrenchment of some kind of the exact thing i was trying to stamp out in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: and i had you & all also quit with the fucking queues. because they're stupid.
mp_en_viaje: is there some way the orig pizarro shared blog box can be mirrored ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Every shared hosting customer's home directory and databases are being uploaded to trinque's deedbot box now as gpg encrypted tarballs.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, im thinking of just getting a machine
mp_en_viaje: yeah, and ima ask people to ad-hoc isp for me now. god damned it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje Aite. I've not yet shredded the pre-GPG'd backups anticipating the possibility of such an ask.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, ty, hold on to them a little bit.
mp_en_viaje: if anyone turns up a host they wanna try, getting this up for me together with a promise to cleanly move it if/when you move gets me to pay for your first 3 mo service.
mp_en_viaje: ideally the next few days, also, dun want this in 2020.
mp_en_viaje: yeah well. hence the earlier talk of darkening.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, what sort of weight are we talking here ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I will weight the hole orchestra, but one of the supermicroservers came in at just under 15kg on the scale.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, nono i mean re the shared server
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: all tarballed up just under 14 GB, before tarballing ~35-ish
mp_en_viaje: aite, wouldja mind as part of pizarro continuancy plan getting a shared server ~anywhere online, and bringing the piz shared back online ?
mp_en_viaje: it really doesn't matter so much where as it matters getting this back online already, it's just too crippling every which way
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Aite, with all this stuff offline I've been feeling like an amputee too.
mp_en_viaje: all that orc's refusal to humanity does is put a human atop him in a saddle is all.
mp_en_viaje: i imagine plenty of horses were in fact produced through the process of 6yo boy "you have to brush teeth, go to school, practice curves" "hell no i won't go"
BingoBoingo would much prefer not to be in this species of saddle again
mp_en_viaje: a boy that's no good might as well be made a horse.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I do not want to end up in the saddle of another ad-hoc'd together Pizarro indefinitely dependent on a single orc or golem being ridden until they exhaust.
BingoBoingo: Except still more distributed and MARKETED\
mp_en_viaje: there;s a reason horses are saddled not stitched to rider's groin
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> there;s a reason horses are saddled not stitched to rider's groin << This is rather what Pizarro felt like. I have no intention of getting sewn to a working beast of burden again. I can try riding, but I'd rather not get SEWN because "you're already on the ground and we all got bored/spawned/bumbled etc."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: MARKETED because otherwise no matter how clean and sanitary, without marketing its jsut us derping in a small clean room about how clean it is while AmaGoogFlix eats all!
BingoBoingo: If all we are is clean we're just compulsively grooming in a population sink experiment
diana_coman: fwiw I don't mind it if anyone actually wants to ride maxim but note that their "uptake" of anything proved indeed 1mm deep; just yest I had to ask *again* for the same thing I had previously asked
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, you got anyone shortlisted you wanna try ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: so far sadly none that I want to try at all; and yes, I've been looking & talking to idiots precisely because I *need my blog* back online already
diana_coman: I've recovered and parked younghands still in Chisinau because I can't keep those guys in #o doing nothing, it's worse enough as it is
diana_coman: but I won't put my blog there too, just no.
BingoBoingo headed out the door finally with the wheels after very IRC/Log heavy start to the day
diana_coman: the dc around here are just about as idiotic as last time I looked, at least via email; ie the only dim possibility might be if I get to visit at some point and somehow find some human in there but I'm not giving it many chances and so I can't spend current limited time on this.
mp_en_viaje: yeah, that's the last thing we need, have a proper outage next time.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-08-19 16:36:37 asciilifeform: oook here's an experiment : asciilifeform set up a mirror of the logotron on a cheap heathen host. ( one of the most rubbish hosters known, lulazon's . hence cannot in fact stand up copy of bot there, fleanode bans conns from it unless sslized. but the db is current. )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:44:44 BingoBoingo: MP's informative tour writeups suggest all the world is mostly populated by tards of some sort.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, tomorrow if nothing yields by then, yes.
mp_en_viaje: (in the sense can get job, not in the sense not need money)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:49:43 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, i don't need it, nor want it, nor does it help anything.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 10:23:54 mp_en_viaje: "sure, most people specializing in serving breakfast for a fee can produce omlets in about ten minutes. but they start with a ready kitchen, which already contains eg eggs"
mp_en_viaje: obv if i wanted to pay less i'd have made the award less. i don't, not because "it's what it's worth" (which very eminently isn't, true market value of the item's prolly in the $70-$150 range, depending where you buy it) but because tryina prime the pump, so people can go "hey, we made something out of crumpled wad!", why not.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 12:08:15 diana_coman: younghands.club is back online at its new IP 185.163.47.240 restored from existing backups, apparently without data-loss.
mp_en_viaje: only 20k words today in 800 lines, what, a novel/day
BingoBoingo back with the 4 1 servers. Oscar ended up walking me out and asking if I'd checked that the IPs were opened back up again some time today.... to the powered down diskless rack. No notice had been provided that the IPs were restored. Told him I'd return and check from the one of the microservers. Will try to do so when I return to fill bags again.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, honestly this sounds like a pretty decent deal.
mp_en_viaje: ration selves is the ~only other commercial version you'll find besides "oh ddos" latech style
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The news seems pretty broke already.
mp_en_viaje: get a coupla c blocks to start with, distinct, and "raid" them.
diana_coman: fwiw I just made my stock email telling them what I want and now sending it around with way less filtering (because there isn't much to filter); I expect there'll be some emails waiting for me tomorrow but dunno if anything positive.
mp_en_viaje: yes but to get whole cabinet. only full us ?
mp_en_viaje: it seems to be the case saving 20 bucks a day is not worth the "own rack" outlay
mp_en_viaje: besides, if this works out it finally gives you htat holy grail, of unassailable excuse to stay put
mp_en_viaje: well, if they go south you drive over get boxes back. what of it
mp_en_viaje: you have option of either paying 3 bux day for sharing into someone else's rack, while someone stands over and films you ; or else pay 20 bux per day to own rack, which is 24u, ie 12times the size, and lock it as your own.
mp_en_viaje: so i'd rather pay 20 than 3 for 8x the space and the ownership, what's difficult to digest ?
mp_en_viaje: would you pay 50/mo to rent shelf in someone's bathroom or 400/month to rent studio apt ?
mp_en_viaje: so ima send you one of nsa's coin, you trade it for whatever 8k it's worth, and not pauper no more.
mp_en_viaje: get 24 u and a up to gb for 5k/mo, put allthe iron you have in there and there you go.
mp_en_viaje: well looky, your conference call, inasmuch as it was predicated on "talk to dc about my soda & 2 large popcorn budget" was a waste of your time.
mp_en_viaje: 750/mo for rack + 5k for gbps pro rated is very reasonable an offer, i'd take it.
mp_en_viaje: if you can't take it why even bother calling, what did you expect they'd say, "19.95" ?
mp_en_viaje: oh, so if it was your private one box thing then why in here lol
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the way I see it is that one wants 1 rack just like one wants own bathroom; ie not to share.
mp_en_viaje: you have this very self-defeating way of being "conservative"
mp_en_viaje has no problem putting the above on nsa's monthly report ; and if indeed all the noises you make about having iron (that you "can't inventory" until "you dispose of the garbage, cuz totally, that's how inventories are made, can't enumerate the jewels for lack of having expelled the piocket lint),
mp_en_viaje: this'd be a perfect opportunity to put all that to work, also.
mp_en_viaje: but i can't ever decide with you if miles gloriosus, talks of gf as "pets", plural, because why not, boihood chorus, or genuine misrepresented fellow, has all sorta things doesnt know how to put to work.
mp_en_viaje: and so what is the problem in getting it ?
mp_en_viaje: dude, i already said, wtf. <mp_en_viaje> get 24 u and a up to gb for 5k/mo, put allthe iron you have in there and there you go.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 20:14:01 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun know how to turn btc into us-cc.
mp_en_viaje: look, paying 5k for gbps is not substantial. much like paying 1mn for 300 working mercedeses not substantial.
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, can you help this fellow out of paper bag ?
mp_en_viaje: or whoever lives thereabouts and not yet beheaded ? afaik lobbes last head left attached.
mp_en_viaje: and make a fucking inventory already, "alf's list of the most-likelky-to-be-worth-racking 24 u items currently in his warehouse"
mp_en_viaje: actually make it ~36 or so u long, so there's some choice.
mp_en_viaje: so you don't actually have electronics besides vintage/garbage about ?
mp_en_viaje: yes, honestly, i had formed the impression that after years of perusing the penny-to-dollar electronic surplus stores you amassed a large collection of perfectly serviceable parts, that could in a pinch produce a cabinets worth of servers. i did.
mp_en_viaje: and that this pile, inter alia, is why you're stil lthe fuck there in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: so you're more of an electrician than a computer scientist, the bulk of your garbage trove is in fact unrelated to computing as such
mp_en_viaje: you have textile looms and period exhaust pipes from the carbureted days of yore.
mp_en_viaje: an earlier inventory could've saved me the internal misrepresentation.
mp_en_viaje: aite, so if you're not in the business of being in business, you're not, what can i tell you.
mp_en_viaje: this'd have been excellent op to recapitalize.
mp_en_viaje: i thought you jsut bought shit because it was cheap / you liked it, in lieu of saving or w/e. nfi what the fuck you're doing, i confess the more i talk to you, the less i understand.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the proposition of buing new, off eggazon w/e, to fill a rack significantly less appealing.
mp_en_viaje: i suspect the problem is your constant confusion between "could" and "did"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you just said you never bought AT ALL.
mp_en_viaje: i also thought you pulled those from warehouse, myself.
mp_en_viaje: so let me get this straight. you do not in fact own 100k worth of rackable motherboards + cpu assemblages ; but you do all the while own ~20k worth of legacy symbolics hardware.
mp_en_viaje: so let me get this straight. you do not in fact own 100k worth of rackable motherboards + cpu assemblages ; but you do all the while own ~20k worth of legacy symbolics hardware.
mp_en_viaje: i thought you had multiple chips + boards + other junk related.
mp_en_viaje: do you or do you not currently posses and are the owner of a number of cpus made by defunct symbolics co ; a number of pcbs made by defunct symbolics co ; a number of other just as useless paraphenalia made by just as defunct same co
mp_en_viaje: and the market value of this handful of cpus + working mchine comes to ?
mp_en_viaje: yes, yes. but the dollar value of said arguably useless or not useless pile of old junk you can't currently use would be...
mp_en_viaje: nevermind that. if you put it on amazon today you'd BIY for...
mp_en_viaje: multiple symbolics cpus, i thought those went for 2-3k ea.
mp_en_viaje: whole bolix, i thought that's more like 7k+ these days.
mp_en_viaje: whatevers. my question will stand as "so you do not in fact own 100k worth of rackable severs, but you do own 20k worth of unrackable memorabilia, which you inexplicably misvalue at 5k for some reason that's obviously this conversation and the outcomes yu want to see from it".
mp_en_viaje: whatever. all this begs the question "how the fuck did you get your inventory manager to approve this insanity of outlay". with the self-obvious answer that "i am said manager myself, and i am known for my managerial acumen"
mp_en_viaje: anwyays. people judge likeliness by some sort of grille. mine comes pre-populated with sanity promoting assumptions that are build through interacting with business not with collectors. consequently, all sort of conclusions can be derived that evidently do not bear out in practice.
mp_en_viaje: but no small part of why i thought you had so and so is because you have others thus and following. i expect the man with 100k worth of car to have 1k worth of gas, i expect the man with egitheen slavegirls to have 20+ rooms, that sorta thing
mp_en_viaje: i dunno, 20 bucks of gas and an outstanding speeding fine.
mp_en_viaje: 100k of gear in your life-dedication field is very far from loaded.
mp_en_viaje: i'd also expect 30yo boat-lifer to own ~100k worth of boat. and 30yo golf pro to own ~100k worth of golf gear.
mp_en_viaje: and 30yo concert musician to own, if not necessarily 100k worth of violin, then definitely 100k worth of violin if HE PLAYS THE VIOLIN, and twice so if he has a collection of antique panflutes.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i believe. now you believe me when i say your household is grossly mismanaged.
mp_en_viaje: capital is to be deployed certain ways, not fucking randomly, neh ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, it is not interesting to me because well...
mp_en_viaje: i am interested in something like that next to someone who makes sense, though.
diana_coman: in unexpected idiotic failures, monovm's automated system replies to my email to inform me that they won't look at it because I'm not registered with them.
BingoBoingo:
http://archive.is/3nQJt << Argentina is fatwah'd and even more isolated than Uruguay from an internet perspective, but here's what they offer for 2U 10mbps burstable symmetric (LACNIC so IP address poor). If Gbps can reasonable be had in Baltimore...
diana_coman: asciilifeform: as I was saying, now I don't bother to filter them anymore; they will filter themselves, as above.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: fwiw I even emailed some brazilians, will see if/what they reply.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right. It's just if you set the bar low... You get Argentines outbidding themselves to be lowest
diana_coman: asciilifeform: better email them too or something, there are so many, it's not like I can cover all anyway
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It may be worth working with lobbes/trinque to see if a BTC/Dubloo circuit in the zone can be established. The one thing the US has is cables everywhere. Argentina hangs off of the "Tannat" cable still further from Fortaleza than Uruguay
BingoBoingo: Well, how much does a dulap spec machine run for on the market atm, and are there any indications as to how deep the market is. You did say earlier that they are getting rarer
diana_coman: asciilifeform: atm I don't think it matters where if they do as told and come register and invoice with deedbot etc.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Maxihost was pretty retarded with their formalism last time I searched in depth. Maybe someone else in Brasil is more responsive?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: you know, there were at least *some* in the whole list saying kvm; and I'm pretty sure I don't have a full list anyway.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I *am* asking them precisely that and nothing less.
diana_coman: if it's not that, I can go anywhere for same thing,not worth all the time.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 18:23:58 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: do you find it entirely unacceptable to use someone like the moldavian d00d , if someone volunteers to 'cutout' (i.e. pay him and pasture him, on command) ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 15:46:17 diana_coman: fwiw I don't mind it if anyone actually wants to ride maxim but note that their "uptake" of anything proved indeed 1mm deep; just yest I had to ask *again* for the same thing I had previously asked
diana_coman: they are quick and they will do as told just as long as it doesn't take it out of the pen, that's about it.
diana_coman: no worries, I'm not exactly fresh myself either
diana_coman: asciilifeform: go ahead and ride it, really; do it well and it's worth it, what.
BingoBoingo: Well, you can't expect real time answers with IRC. See what the other folks in the zone say when they wake up as far as BTC conversion.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or lobbes since lobbes does seem to be documenting his housecleaning efforts well.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: converting btc is anyway useful, I'd say; dc or no dc, I really don't see why *not* do it.
bvt: asciilifeform: you can get 2u for yourself - you'd still run logger somewhere, no?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At some point the queasyness has to be balanced against the opportunity to gain some leverage.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: my the lack of recourse against latecho is dwarfed by latecho and "dedicado"'s lack of recourse against centurylink.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It doesn't. But we are going through a forced diversification movement anyways.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This is admirable, but even with them rating the ports as "burtable"... I suspect mp's inclination to get a full Gb pipe up front is how to keep the same sort of network farting from trashing the operation.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell trinque Backups have finished uploading to the deedbot server.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Anyways from an architecture point of view one big weakness of LACNIC countries (and Asia it seems as well) is IP poverty. For all the disadvantages of North America, it has IP space to spare.
BingoBoingo brb, supply run to keep the biologics going
diana_coman: ftr, if no human can be found, I'll lease a server in turkey and be done with it.
diana_coman: done for today, will see what emails await me tomorrow.
lobbes back from mines; resumes eating log
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 18:10:16 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje said 'no pasaran'
mp_en_viaje: i can't imagine you need my approval or for that matter oppinion for getting yourself a box. go, get, what.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 18:11:10 BingoBoingo: Well, you can't expect real time answers with IRC. See what the other folks in the zone say when they wake up as far as BTC conversion.
mp_en_viaje: s nothing to fucking consider, man. if i have to buy the hardware, proximity to you is an anti-issue, you can't do x, can't do y, you're anti-useful.
mp_en_viaje: if i have to buy the hardware i'll simply lease whatever random dorks have ready and be done with it.
mp_en_viaje: what exactly did you imagine you'd be bringing to the table, anyway ? some manner to make any possible deal as complicatedly untenable as it could conceivably get ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 18:33:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at any rate quote is valid for 2wks, if mp_en_viaje parachutes in 'someone who aint a tard' asciilifeform will get cage etc. when given marching order.
lobbes:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943810 << I think I get this now, and it fits with the theme of today's logs of the republic *taking ownership of a space* before the orcs do their thing. In this instance, it is the blogification of irc, and if it takes until 2020 than we've already lost the plot of the job in the first place
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 19:13:37 mp_en_viaje: obv if i wanted to pay less i'd have made the award less. i don't, not because "it's what it's worth" (which very eminently isn't, true market value of the item's prolly in the $70-$150 range, depending where you buy it) but because tryina prime the pump, so people can go "hey, we made something out of crumpled wad!", why not.
lobbes: So I agree now that 2020 delivery is, in fact, utterly insane. Fire has been lit under arse; I will kick this into higher gear
mp_en_viaje: well it'll be key infrastructure in any case, if it eventually permits irc-isation of "login" web idiocy.
lobbes: interesting, so like, instead of posting via a web login, just submit a post via bot?
mp_en_viaje: no, instead of interfacing with whatever idiotic pantsuit outfit via their website, you just do it through their bot they don't even have enough sense to have written themselves.
lobbes: aha, I see. Has applications way beyond blogging alone
mp_en_viaje: nothing keeps you from having a simple !f nc f <25 bot for public usage except for your not having thought about it and me talking in a vacuum on trilema and in general. but the
"system" was long ago raped wide open, all it needs is proper interfacing
ossabot: Logged on 2018-03-07 19:20:48 mircea_popescu: sooo... big deal, 1 sent girl to buy a bagful of phone numbers. they cost, no joke, $2.5 here. EXCEPT, of course, they want your "cedula", you know, "por activacion".
mp_en_viaje: which obviously will happen when i breadcrumb, 5+years after, whatever. what can i do.
mp_en_viaje: but ultimately, the bot's supposed to count for a small to medium sized corp all by itself, do the job of 500 or so of the useless fuckheads calling themselves "employees" in pantsuitistan
mp_en_viaje: think about it, if clucker can "make website account", why exactly can't lobbesbot ? outside of "because lobbes hasn't written that part yet"
lobbes: this makes a lot of sense
mp_en_viaje: all the needful things that were supposed to have well been done by hand by now so we know how to code them by the sort of self-sufficient cocksuckers who won't do things for love or money still need to be done, and then once done automated, and so following.
mp_en_viaje: sure, at the rate we're so far going we'll have nothing never, but i'm not married to the crew, i'm married to performance.
lobbes: well, then I need to make sure I'm on the performance end of the stick
BingoBoingo returned from overdue grocery run. Peaked at headlines and feels incredibly handicapped with current Turkey/US/NATO/Trump lolz happening and Qntra dark. Going to the basement to check pipe. Sky and forecast are hinting rain so any extraction further extraction tonight is going to be limited to rails and cables/whatever fits under raincover
BingoBoingo: Peeked, though headlines seem to be peaking. Trump ordered US to stop human shielding Kurds, informing minimum of personel in doing so before announcement. Now Turkey is doing their long desired Syria ops freely.
BingoBoingo: Predictably the usual congress critters are calling for Turkey's NATO expulsion despite NATO fiatpapers not having any provisions for expulsion
mp_en_viaje: lol, if they expel turkey they disintegrate, it can just about counter them alone.
mp_en_viaje: turkey evidently doesn't want to outright quit but wouldn't mind being expelled, then it can pretty much sell europe to the russians like a common whore, by the night or by the hour, by the hole or by the pair.
BingoBoingo: Right. I wouldn't be surprised if Turkey/Russia end up sharing Europe.
mp_en_viaje: should be lulzy to see the anglo-franco-italian lulzchorus once that happens, as they couldn't possibly.
BingoBoingo: But rearm who? The German folk from your description seem to require some rapid hardening.
BingoBoingo: !q asciilifeform Were you going to pick up an "anyserver" to get the blogs back online or should I do it when I get back from basement mission?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Muscovite/Ottman Europe may or may not be the anti-Mandarin language retardation counter the world needs.
mp_en_viaje: apparently this only works half the time, didn't see it before.
BingoBoingo: Back massaged, brb from the rack when I get there if IPs were indeed released
mp_en_viaje: lol, as common of paupers, to mislay their absent wealth by the crateful.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 20:21:21 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the only rackable i have in stock here is the rktron.
mp_en_viaje: s'okay, i take the main thrust of the thing.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 23:00:49 lobbes: So I agree now that 2020 delivery is, in fact, utterly insane. Fire has been lit under arse; I will kick this into higher gear
mp_en_viaje: it's mostly needlework, like the old 1990s computing olympiad problems, "do all these many things".
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well no, phuctor-likes are claw work, very different thing.
mp_en_viaje: and finally, billy's thing is more scrape work, also different.
mp_en_viaje: there's different kinds, not all programming's needlework.