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shinohai: this is os hilarious http://archive.is/lPCer #etheredumb gonna fix bitcoin again hurr
BingoBoingo: En otra preguntas: "Are we honering that stupid one year plant policy for Christmas trees?"
ben_vulpes: shinohai: 'payinghyip'
shinohai: mah ec20 tokens
asciilifeform: shinohai: newer, cheaper grade of pinoy, or wat
asciilifeform: physically painful to read.
asciilifeform: 'solve bitcoin's problem by forking it ourself' etc
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/altcoin/comments/7eveiu/bitcoin_2x_the_next_generation_of_crypto/dq7pvn2/
asciilifeform: i propose to enact this useful new word as a proper thing
asciilifeform: if an anthill could speak, it would use word 'ourself'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if an anthill could speak, it would use word 'ourself' << And the termitories use ourself too
mircea_popescu: and in other news, it was established in teh harem over dinner that human demographics should prolly work on the basis of the alcohol used to spawn them
mircea_popescu: thereby the jennifer generation mostly should be called tequilla-x
mircea_popescu: succeeding beer-x which came after gin-x and so on
asciilifeform: what was the 'jennifer generation' ?
asciilifeform: ( incidentally, mircea_popescu , possibly pertinent cultur-artifact, http://a-pesni.org/dvor/javychelrod.php )
asciilifeform: ( whole site pretty decent imho. )
phf: asciilifeform: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jennifer+aniston&t=ffab&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images i wonder if mp used that trop before, or it comes from tlp (i'm rereading tlp again)
asciilifeform: lol agricultural face
mircea_popescu: phf in my case it's genuinely because i fuck 21f cali.
mircea_popescu: but anyway,
mircea_popescu: !~google the jennifer hairdo
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: See 13 Celebrities Who Have Rocked Jennifer Aniston's Rachel ...: <http://www.instyle.com/beauty/honor-friends-reunion-13-celebrities-who-have-also-rocked-rachel-haircut>; Jennifer Aniston reveals why she hated 'The Rachel' haircut: <https://www.today.com/style/jennifer-aniston-reveals-why-she-hated-rachel-cut-t20831>; The Story Behind Jennifer Aniston's Rachel Haircut | PEOPLE.com: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol i can't read this. wtf is it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prison folklore
asciilifeform: at some point i'ma take a stab at translation.
mircea_popescu: my vocab too poor
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: pantsuited hilarity won miss world president race ourself.
BingoBoingo: With maximust termiterity!
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8193.37, vol: 7970.22464966 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8183.7, vol: 28256.73489211 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 3450.0, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8203.5, vol: 2847.63427408 | Volume-weighted last average: 8187.1153965
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 495672 | Current Difficulty: 1.364422081125E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 495935 | Next Difficulty In: 263 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 21 hours, 57 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: and in other black girls code lulz, rorc girl explains FOSS : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-QUSXpy3sk&feature=youtu.be&t=111
phf: lulzy, but she really needs to do some inhalations and exhalations, this is some speaking 101 torture going on
mircea_popescu: they're all fucking terrible. this one breathes like she's 1/3 on the way to orgasm.
mircea_popescu: buncha "speakers" that are SO FUCKING ANXIOUS you'd think they never spoke to people.
mircea_popescu: and since we're on this : i'm particularily insulted by the pretentions of ex-"journalists" owners of no more than two pairs of undewear and no two meatballs to rub together in their entrails at any given point that they're you know, postmodern women with preoccupations and opinions and options and whatnot. this shithead made in her entire 10 year long professional life a little over one bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: yet there she sits, and like her one billion utterly useless facebook tards. i've no doubt she votes, but not randomly -- she thinks she reasons! and in another decade she's gonna write a "book". and so fucking following.
mircea_popescu: in short, i've had it with the aferations of social participation coming from the facebook fake accounts up to fucking here.
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, wetware-run fake accounts are real!!!" like hell they are. the fact that zuck uses a buncha biosacks to do the job of ten lines of perl doesn't mean the biosacks aren't really shitty raspberrypis. what the fuck next, he's gonna run the shitstorm on z80s and pretend like the z80s are people because "they're louder, slower and burn more energy than proper computers" ?! THEY STILL DO THE EXACT SAME THING.
mircea_popescu: "it's open source which means you don't have to know anything, just copy some codes from the endless information highway". ioana calen xrumer.
phf: where's genghis kahn when you need him? (c)
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/F4C3M/?raw=true << fucking illustratious.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742400 << mm pretty tho☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 04:40 mircea_popescu: they're all fucking terrible. this one breathes like she's 1/3 on the way to orgasm.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i randomly clicked a link from an 2008 article by the itisa dood. i suppose he was fucking her at the time or w/e.
phf: obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ita8xHOtv1k
asciilifeform: mebbe helps that asciilifeform is sitting on a box with no sound card
mircea_popescu: but this is the fucking "career" of these schmucks. born 83, graduated "college" 2003, worked as a fashion-culture-pop-media "editor" at some obscure local paper, then became "a PR officer!!1" by now pretending to "cultural management". motherfucker. management ?!
mircea_popescu: for the same money could pretend to cultural engineering. which, obviously, they do.
phf: asciilifeform: yeah, i had the same thought until she started speaking, i mean, shit, they don't have "toastmasters" in romania? practice your talk before going in front of people
mircea_popescu: phf it's not that they don't have toastmasters in romania. it's that they don'tr have anything if you're born after 1980.
mircea_popescu: and i mean this most literally.
mircea_popescu: " At Buyerbrain, Ioana performs as a researcher and as a multidisciplinary perspective analyst, disseminating and promoting the neuroscience culture while also applying those principles to marketing and communicating the laboratory." you understand me ?!
mircea_popescu: what fucking toastmasters.
mircea_popescu: the neuroscience fucking culture so help me.
asciilifeform: neuroscience culture..?!
mircea_popescu: apparently what, on the basis of this malfunctioning spam script they also don't have basic logic in romania now ?
phf: blockchain!
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's the entomological value here : that these EXACTLY IDENTICAL fucktards haven't yet heard of THAT fashionable bullshit. so they're still working the old style nonsense. yet the underlying opcodes are very visibly exactly the same.
mircea_popescu: allows for some diffing, "what's this z69 say vs that one ?"
mircea_popescu: and i'll insist and underline that no, can not be the case these are people. if i can emulate 10k of them on a stock amd, they're not people, they're 1/10k of a stock amd.
BingoBoingo: Biodiesel has an ourself too!
mircea_popescu: the cat not worth teh skinning.
BingoBoingo: Hence the bagplan
BingoBoingo: In in other reddits https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/11/whos-doing-the-raping/
BingoBoingo: "To put specific numbers on this, the report notes that studies consistently find that more than 90% of prison rapes are inter-racial and racially motivated. Blacks are found to be some 80% of the perpetrators, and whites are the vast majority of victims. Again, this is easily accessible in a peer-reviewed report published at a mainstream outlet. (So how are desegregated prisons working out for us now, huh?)"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'd say they're working great.
mircea_popescu: contrary to pretense, under 1% of those are actual rapes, as defined by the only proper measure : "did you fight first ?"
mircea_popescu: whiteboy gets what he always wanted and was too scared to ask for.
mircea_popescu: aaand in other morning lulz, http://looksmax.net/Thread-Purplepill-what-are-legit-ways-of-making-millions-is-it-just-climbing-corporate-ladder?pid=65809&mode=linear
diana_coman: ahahaha "like mircea popescu or whatever his name is, but even with him i suspect he's not anywhere near as rich as he wants people to think he is - it doesn't add up; poorly fitted suits, average looking hotel suites/condos, spends all his time living in cheap shitholes which is precisely what white people who have money to live abroad but aren't rich do)" ; from ^^
mircea_popescu: sure
mircea_popescu: though mostly quoted for the fundamental prpblem -- these are college educated or educating esltards (maybe not ALL at MIT, but if you're on the internet.en you're either out of or currently in college) WHO DO NOT KNOW HOW TO BECOME MILLIONAIRES.
mircea_popescu: can this be underscored enough ? i doubt it.
mircea_popescu: the only fucking reason, point and selling characteristic of anglo college is "making money", and there's no quantum below 1 million dollars.
mircea_popescu: yet... they do not know how to do it. AVERAGE salaries in the collegiate fields are about 100k/year, that means a 1mn income EACH DECADE, for AVERAGE performance
mircea_popescu: and these kids dunno how to be millionaires.
mircea_popescu: wut gives ?
mircea_popescu: complete and utter failure of the "social contract", at that. it's like a sailing school that fails to produce sailors, this ourdemocracy that fails to produce millionaires.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck else was anyone even watching the vhs tapes ?!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742442 << much smaller than this, if you count what % they get to ~keep~. end up with '3rd world' figure.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 15:26 mircea_popescu: yet... they do not know how to do it. AVERAGE salaries in the collegiate fields are about 100k/year, that means a 1mn income EACH DECADE, for AVERAGE performance
asciilifeform: 'LEGIT TESTOSTERONA OF HIGH QUALITY POWEDER DOESNT LEAVE YOU NO OPTIONS' << lol!!
asciilifeform: hey BingoBoingo wtf is a 'testosterona' ? boiled goat balls, straight from 1950s quackeries ?
asciilifeform: 'just be female theory strikes again'
asciilifeform: what am i even reading, 'looksmax.net' ?!?
asciilifeform: 'You can also try to solve one of the 7 millennium math problems for 1m each.' << hey there's a neglected get-rich-and-famous scheme!
asciilifeform: 'If you want to make real money in crypto, you don't get attached to one coin and you don't hodl, you also don't put all your money in bitcoin either, instead you do coin hopping' << didjaknow!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but that's the very point!
mircea_popescu: the complaint re mp's perceived lifestyle neartly folds into the general problem : "i think mp might be a millionaire as usg defined that term for me, but it seems in a sense fake, because he doesn't display the markers usg trained me to recognize. i wonder, if usg controls my perception of my own wants in the sense of defining how their perceptible form looks, why i don't get to be a millionaire ?"
mircea_popescu: the discussion is readily mappable to its perfect equivalent which we oh so often rehash here : "i wonder what microsoft issued extension makes my operating system secure ?"
mircea_popescu: "tmsr claims to be more powerful than the us, but i have my doubts, because their software doesn't even unicode."
mircea_popescu: yes, schmucky mcschmuckersson, the REASON your software can't be powerful is EXACTLY that your software unicodes. not for the unicode itself, but for what the unicode IS.
mircea_popescu: and so on and forever until we fall over, "how could i get everything i need and it'll only ever be something i wanted ???".
mircea_popescu: hurr.
asciilifeform: moar perplexing is wtf that forum is to begin with
mircea_popescu: exactly like reddit, a website someone made in the hopes of becoming a millionaire.
mircea_popescu: on it, the future of that country gathers.
asciilifeform: 'spam like a pro in 21 days'
whaack: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741795 << I have code to take his blocks and count up all the satoshis in the outputs that have undeterminable destinations. This is not very useful without also subtracting the coins when they are spent. This requires storing the txn hash and output index while I count up the satoshis. However ben_vulpes's api does not provide the txn hash and I have no CL code (yet) to calculate it.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 21:25 asciilifeform: whaack: not difficult to add up all of the various 'softfork' liquishit tho -- it shows up as 'cannot decode' on ben_vulpes's blockviewer
whaack: Ultimately what I want to build is a tool to determine how much a miner can obtain by "defecting" from segwit from the current mempool
mircea_popescu: how the hell could it not provide the txn hash
asciilifeform: whaack: i posted an ada block eater a while back, do you have a copy ?
mircea_popescu: what, it reserializes txn ?
whaack: well the txn hash is provided as the inputs in the future blocks but each new txn in a block does not provide a copy of its hash as well afaik
mircea_popescu: hm
asciilifeform: ( mine did not process scripts and so is currently of 0 direct use for whaack's item. but it does show how to compute tx hash )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a tx does not carry own hash inside it ( how could it ), one has to compute it on the fly
whaack: I do not have a copy
asciilifeform: whaack: gimme a min
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but the hash is also the only sane index to txn
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: unless you actually go block44.txn7th, which is technically how spending goes, but anyway, i didn't expect he did that.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742457 << "I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." etc☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 15:58 mircea_popescu: the discussion is readily mappable to its perfect equivalent which we oh so often rehash here : "i wonder what microsoft issued extension makes my operating system secure ?"
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: also that ballas quote re giving up the capital.
mircea_popescu: "Of course the idea is to get rich-- which sounds like capitalism, if you're retarded, but observe the message that is being taught: that the necessary correlate to getting rich is to give all the capital to someone else. The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think women especially will heart it."
mircea_popescu: in similar news, "i don't think jakob fugger was really all that rich -- after all, he didn't even have an ipad".
phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same
phf: time "gopher is awesome, because it's so simple and pure", yeah, before you fuckers decided to show up.
mircea_popescu: and suddenly the seemingly unrelated byt alf linked, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742454☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 15:49 asciilifeform: 'If you want to make real money in crypto, you don't get attached to one coin and you don't hodl, you also don't put all your money in bitcoin either, instead you do coin hopping' << didjaknow!!
mircea_popescu: is no longer unrelated at all. IT IS JUST A RESTATEMENT OF THE SAME THING!
mircea_popescu: "in order to get rich (as usg defines that term) in crypto you gotta trade... the crypto... for the fetish of crypto!!11". see ? the lesson's well learned.
phf: the frequency at which the word "modern" is used in those conversations is making me nauseous
phf: naturally every other account is pronouns sensitive, lgbt, suicidal, "anti nazi", genderqueer, etc. thanksgiving is an opportunity to talk about how their toxic parents don't understand them, etc.
phf: i was initially pissed off, but now i'm just sad, that babbage quote is very apropos
mircea_popescu: not much there to get pissed of AT.
asciilifeform: whaack: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/horse.tar.gz
asciilifeform: whaack: unofficial demo of adatronic block eater. takes a raw binary block on commandline, parses, prints computed hashes.
asciilifeform: you will need gnat, no other dependencies.
asciilifeform: tarball is heavy on account of including a test block.
asciilifeform: ( the ada per se is 27kB )
phf: i keep expecting another trilema executing a coordinated strategy, but once you spend a few days living amongst them, you realize that there's nothing there, so yes.
whaack takes a look.
mircea_popescu: hey, many girls are seeking and have been long seeking, and never yet found anything.
asciilifeform: whaack: posted simply so that you can see how tx hashes come to exist
asciilifeform: but it is in fact a complete block-eater, with the exception that it does nothing useful with scripts.
asciilifeform: diana_coman and other ada n00bz may find the item interesting, it is a complete proggy ( in the bare bone sense )
phf: project seti directed at earth
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: "mp is possibly not a millionaire seeing how he has girls combing the streets of poor countries looking for salvageable parts in the debris, as opposed to shooting photographs with the photographer's girlfriend like TRUE millionaires do"
asciilifeform: whaack: if yer in a hurry you can skip straight to transactions.adb .
whaack: asciilifeform: okay I plan to use ironclad to do the actual hashing in the cl implementation unless there is a better recommendation
asciilifeform: whaack: if you have the time, why not write a sha256 from scratch in cl. it's a needed, unfortunately, piece. and afaik there isn't a proper one published.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719685 breadcrumbs.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 19:09 mircea_popescu: sadly the story behind that is that denni parkinson was there with HER BOYFRIEND, who's some photog there to shoot some bs about branson's hobby (some kind of new and improved surfing)
asciilifeform: phf possibly could correct me if this is not so
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm still sad about that branson photo, every time i remember it, just have to shake my head
mircea_popescu: ah but whay.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742497 << almost forgot : b66009a9afe71b4cebe1a11b565f8848f0686b9f13748e87cc42eac6d376245048454a957550f764d8da8315245a0b0aeeea079e06fa4f6666bcf89e491ea371 (sha512)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:28 asciilifeform: whaack: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/horse.tar.gz
whaack: asciilifeform: okay I will give it a shot
whaack: ty
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742487 << ahahahahahahaha☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same
asciilifeform: nothing like a flea luvvvs moar than a yet-flealess dog
mircea_popescu: this much is not actually true.
asciilifeform: i can picture how it might not be
mircea_popescu: flea-irritated skin is preferred by fleas.
asciilifeform: ( do fleas quorum-sense ? )
mircea_popescu: lice too. which is why only "Some kinds of girls" get it in school.
mircea_popescu: most parasitosis works that way, actually. there is such a thing as a rich guy's tuberculosis immunity. or, for that matter, aids.
phf: asciilifeform: "Having to unfollow folks because I'm sick of cynical passive agressive subtoots." ""It will not hurt people who use gopher the way it has been used for ~30 years. It won't break things. Those folks can ignore what we're doing. This doesn't have to be antagonistic. If you don't wanna take part, that's cool! I'm not here to force you. Keep doing what you're doing, or do what we're doing. Either is wonderful" etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik proper aids immunity is a vanishingly rare item, and poorly understood yet
asciilifeform: phf: lol tolerasts
mircea_popescu: phf the difference in tone from the exact same item pushing bitcoin forks is that the gopher forks people have no one to fear in gopher.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't mean proper immunity, i just meant...
mircea_popescu: actually, here's what i meant : vai de omu' sarac, nici boii nu-i trag, ii cade pita-n cicat si cind fute da de cui.
mircea_popescu: dja want translation ?
asciilifeform: pretty sure i get it
phf: "there's some gopher purists out there but don't pay them much heed. There's no one in charge. There's nothing keeping you from your next big idea. There's nothing to stop you from trying. And besides, most of us think it's pretty cool."
mircea_popescu: let's put in for teh logs : woe on the poor man, his oxen won't pull properly, his sandwich falls into shit and even when he fucks he runs into a rusty nail.
mircea_popescu: phf hehehe
ben_vulpes: whaack: i hastily stripped the cl i use behind mimisbrunnr for block parsing and transaction extracting into this tar for you: cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/blockparser.tgz
ben_vulpes: it is some very embarassingly java-flavored CLOS, read it with a skeptical eye
ben_vulpes: i figure you can stitch it into a fare-friendly (asdf) form, if you have trouble or its missing bits let me know, 'tis a very hasty rip job
ben_vulpes will also read asciilifeform 's ada cutter
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's pretty simple, makes use of ada's programmable stream
phf: asciilifeform: i recall their being tight hashing code, but every time i do the same thing and discover that it was sb-md5 (and there's a corresponding cmucl prior art), so no proper shasum
phf: *there
asciilifeform: phf: iirc the sha256 in 'ironclad' is simply a c wrapper around turdssl
ben_vulpes: ironclad needs a 'libressl'ing imho
phf: asciilifeform: no! you keep saying that, ironclad is 0 ffi
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: so it has a working sha2 already ?
asciilifeform: and incidentally if phf knows this, possibly he studied it and is ready to genesis his personal copy ?
phf: src/digests/sha1.lisp
phf: src/digests/sha256.lisp
phf: src/digests/sha512.lisp
asciilifeform: if 'ironclad' is a worthy thing , it oughta be genesised
asciilifeform: !~later tell whaack when testing 'horse', verify that the bin turd produced as file 'out' is identical to the input block. this means that the parser worx.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
phf: maybe, but only as "presented as found". froydnj said in a few places, that he doesn't think ironclad is there yet as far as being used for production crypto. and we had a thread (with ben_vulpes) where we discovered that sha512 (!!!) had a bug
ben_vulpes: phf: do you know anything about the 'sharplispers'?
ben_vulpes: phf: bug was also fixed at some point
phf: yeah, was fixed in master, but not in quicklisp production, my point is mostly "what other wonders are there". like you said needs libressling
asciilifeform: i gotta ask, what means 'libressling'
ben_vulpes: also ironclad rsa padding is notquiteright, trinque i believe knows a bit more
asciilifeform: iirc 'libressl' was an attempted whitewashing of openssl turd by the usual suspects.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nobody's rsa padding is worth two shits
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: did not actually work i mean.
ben_vulpes: created messages that were undecipherable iirc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes buit it ended up not being needed, the "community" "consensused" that "openssl is okay" np.
mircea_popescu: the libre bs was in case of orange revolution.
asciilifeform: backup prong aha.
ben_vulpes: i mean an ideal republican gutting.
mircea_popescu: then what's wrong with tmsrizing.
ben_vulpes: perhaps shoulda said "needs a stan/mpi style gutting"
ben_vulpes: sure, tmsrification
phf: ben_vulpes: sharplispers i believe is the #lisp crowd who maintain "abandoned" packages (mostly for the purposes of xach having somewhere to git clone things from for his quicklisp). i know xach, luis oliveira, and nikodemus siivola, the last one being a proper hacker
mircea_popescu: * Loaded log from Thu Jan 19 19:08:32 2017 << i guess once a year .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wassat
mircea_popescu: #lisp.
mircea_popescu: omfg their logs are terrible.
mircea_popescu: THREE scrollbars ? really ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can haz link ?
mircea_popescu: https://irclog.whitequark.org/lisp
whaack: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742543 << ty sir☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:45 ben_vulpes: whaack: i hastily stripped the cl i use behind mimisbrunnr for block parsing and transaction extracting into this tar for you: cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/blockparser.tgz
asciilifeform: !~seen mrottenkolber
jhvh1: asciilifeform: I have not seen mrottenkolber.
asciilifeform: !#seen mrottenkolber
a111: 2017-03-04 <mrottenkolber> I know, I know, people are not REPLs
mircea_popescu: uncharacteristically, the snr isn't even terrifying!
asciilifeform: !#s jackdaniel
a111: 27 results for "jackdaniel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=jackdaniel
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZf1DzJYO8o << so much toastmasters i'd love to hire this guy to read eulora things for me.
asciilifeform: 'DAYDREAMER activates a top-level LOVERS goal because it is not involved in a LOVERS relationship, and one or more of its need states subsumed by the relationship are unsatisfied. A new concern is created and a positive motivating emotion of interest is created and associated with the new concern. The intrinsic importance of the goal is 0.9. This becomes the magnitude of the motivating emotion, as well as the current value for the mo
asciilifeform: tivation of the concern.'
asciilifeform: ( via https://irclog.whitequark.org/lisp/2017-11-23#20617523 ) .
phf: mircea_popescu: i like that video series, it seems so innocent
mircea_popescu: it's not ?
mircea_popescu: also castlevania fucking rocks.
phf: you never know with these things, but on face value it definitely is
mircea_popescu: prince of persia for z80 basically. epic for the 80s
mircea_popescu: phf do you know this k-stz guy ?
phf: no, he's not part of the kommunity which is also probably why he doesn't suck
phf: he also speaks ada, https://pastebin.com/PdDePdag
mircea_popescu: i like the part where he explains why 2^32 scan being 1.6 seconds is not good news for scanning 2^32
mircea_popescu: "several orders of magnitude moar"
mircea_popescu: phf dja have a conduit to invite him here ? i think smg wants to hire him.
phf: no, but i'll give it a try, i think it's my turn to attempt to invite a random stranger to trilema and see him run away in horror
mircea_popescu: it's always everyone's turn!!11
mircea_popescu: phf so who's bike ?
mircea_popescu: other than some cannonical dood.
phf: i know he talks on #lisp, but i don't have anything about him, i.e. i'm pretty sure he's not doing anything visible
mircea_popescu: as per intel, cannonical, mastodon. grad student, "I subsist on hot pockets".
mircea_popescu: jesus fucking christ america sucks.
phf: heh
whaack: asciilifeform: gnat1: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-fdump-scos’ when I try gprbuild. gnat version 4.6 gcc version 4.8.4. I removed the command line option from the gpr file since it seemed to be just used for coverage tools. Then got error prefix of "Image" attribute must be a type in 3 places in blocks.adb
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so it appears that whitequark item is actually a many-channel log.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hey, how hard would it be to add a flag (=lisp) to bpaste, make it highlight and shit as per #lisp folk spec ? ("<|3b|> mircea_popescu: links to spec in particular, + interactive paren highlighting")
mircea_popescu: !!up candi_lustt
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in belaboured smiles, http://78.media.tumblr.com/e148eb5931c7c33d5c1a48c116f559cd/tumblr_nkwscth1sW1sg0ns8o1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: !W http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Wpld4/?raw=true
candi_lustt: mircea_popescu: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dLGSP/?raw=true
phf: that's actually a cute idea, have a bot do the `read' on whatever's pasted, but obviously only works here, not on #lisp (since all kinds of attack vectors)
mircea_popescu: phf im giving them time to figure out republicaqn supremacy on own power.
mircea_popescu: the obvious downside being... takes a while.
phf: by the way, their bot's code is public. i poached their highlighter for example for btcbase file rendering
mircea_popescu: i recall you saying this way back then
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742619 <<< >>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666683☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 17:55 whaack: asciilifeform: gnat1: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-fdump-scos’ when I try gprbuild. gnat version 4.6 gcc version 4.8.4. I removed the command line option from the gpr file since it seemed to be just used for coverage tools. Then got error prefix of "Image" attribute must be a type in 3 places in blocks.adb
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 20:38 asciilifeform: diana_coman: the example was written on a box with adacore's gnat; the stock gnu one is stricter, doesn't permit Foo'Image -- instead you gotta FooTypeName'Image(Foo)
asciilifeform: whaack: lemme know if this fixes.
asciilifeform: whaack: i wrote the thing back when i was mostly using adacore's gnat
mircea_popescu: and no further than ONE DAY BACK in this log which seemed very respectable snr-wise on the basis of my hsaving read today, there's a PILE of "how to lisp on windows" and "how to utf-8 unicode etc".
mircea_popescu: goes well with "we have nfi what could help us".
mircea_popescu: blerhgs.
ben_vulpes: fuckin whitequark
ben_vulpes: keeps jumpin me damn browser to the pagebottom
mircea_popescu: it's a remarkable pos.
phf: ben_vulpes: you gotta unclick "Live updates"
mircea_popescu: phf where ?
ben_vulpes unchecks
ben_vulpes: top, right of the searchbar
mircea_popescu: all i have is show join/leave, which doesn't cover nick changes
ben_vulpes: exciting
mircea_popescu: oh oh it's because i was on archived page.
whaack: asciilifeform: that fixed the problem, now hash_streams.adb:25:22: "Binary_Message_Digest" not declared in "SHA256"
phf afk
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i don't get why people who want code highlit don't open the code in a proper editor
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i don't get ~anything about how the brains of these people work, so far. asking questions didn't get me much further, moved on to proposing prototypes, which... is going nowhere.
ben_vulpes: i don't want to try reimplementing emacs shittily for the browser, server-side.
mircea_popescu: just the parens highlight thing doesn't seem that gnarly. am i naive ?
ben_vulpes: shouldn't be that bad, no. i still don't understand the why of it. after five minutes of working with lisp the parens should disappear into background bookeeping on any usable brainsubstrate
mircea_popescu: myeah.
ben_vulpes: like if you need colorized parens whatever you're working on has definitely escaped your ability to hold it in your head.
mircea_popescu: tbh an ~hour later my patience with teh #lisp is waning fast. yes it's not cohesive a la catv-org or whatever other dorkitudes we examined prior, which means there's no specific failure mode. but this doesn't mean much, it vaguely flails like an ooze and well...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742650 << whaack plz post which gnat you have, and how it was installed☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 18:37 whaack: asciilifeform: that fixed the problem, now hash_streams.adb:25:22: "Binary_Message_Digest" not declared in "SHA256"
asciilifeform: and paste also the full barf.
ben_vulpes: !#s s2n
a111: 4 results for "s2n", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=s2n
ben_vulpes: "break this one 'cs'prng and everything running on bezosnet is yours, kid!" https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/better-random-number-generation-for-openssl-libc-and-linux-mainline/
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: gotta luvv how prng now routinely 'random number generator'
whaack: asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZaFt4/?raw=true gnat 4.6 on ubuntu 14.04.5 x64 through apt-get
asciilifeform: as if the 'p' evaporates, unhappens, if not mentioned
ben_vulpes: gotta love how they staple "cryptographically secure" onto "pseudo random" so unthinking derps forget about the "pseudo" part
ben_vulpes: lol aha
asciilifeform: whaack: surreal.
asciilifeform: whaack: eventually i'm doomed to write a proper sha2 , apparently, gnat's apparently is shitgnomatic.
ben_vulpes: not even thinking, these people. stackframes fabricated whole from reference to "computationally secure", reader has room for 2 words, and so "pseudo" is never evaluated
ben_vulpes bbl
asciilifeform: ( i.e. someone saw it fit to change its semantics, between versions, as if such a change is ever anything other than wrecking )
asciilifeform: whaack: if you really want to run the example proggy, will have to get hold of 4.9 somehow
asciilifeform: ( or adacore's gnat )
whaack: alright I'll look into it more later, for my purposes I think ben_vulpes's code will be sufficient for now
asciilifeform: aite
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742659 <<< see also >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-07#1733724☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 18:46 mircea_popescu: tbh an ~hour later my patience with teh #lisp is waning fast. yes it's not cohesive a la catv-org or whatever other dorkitudes we examined prior, which means there's no specific failure mode. but this doesn't mean much, it vaguely flails like an ooze and well...
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 22:59 asciilifeform: this is the fate of all 'we don't have an ideology' derps
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: "room has no owner, therefore evidently no possible utility." and so on.
asciilifeform: to have ideology is sorta like the coherence of laser light.
asciilifeform: decohered -- aimless ooze, the peaks cancel, no movement.
mircea_popescu: in that if you don't have one, you have the wreckers'.
asciilifeform: who has none, is a plaything for the wind, the insects, the fungi.
mircea_popescu: anwyay : such is true luxury in life, to be able to disinterestedly walk into #lisp, spend an hour evaling and shrug.
mircea_popescu: marriott-luxury a very poor substituter.
asciilifeform: in other not-yet-noose, asciilifeform considered the q of : can show a lower bound for how quickly (i.e. bits leaked per bit of ciphertext sent ) any n-bit-keyed symmetriccipher leaks its key , from purely informationtheoretical grounds ? or not.
mircea_popescu: not an idle consideration
asciilifeform: imho it is an approachable thing. but i haven't yet the pill.
asciilifeform: could restate as the q of whether 'distance from ideal otp' is a quantifiable matter .
asciilifeform: and then proceed to something resembling concept of carnot efficiency, but for cipher.
mircea_popescu: this'd be lovely.
mircea_popescu: spealking of which, http://78.media.tumblr.com/f06516359073a4f18eec03d850c7e8b9/tumblr_ne5qx4NTyZ1u1p6qjo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform bbl, meat
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : one girl has been in the kitchen since daybreak (bout 8 hours ago) cooking non stop.
mircea_popescu: she's tallied up all the sugar we saved, comes to almost a quarter ton!
mircea_popescu: cranberry sauce recipe goes "mix one cup of liquid with cup and a half of sugar" and so following.
mircea_popescu: "basically i multiply the portions by 8 and divide the sugar also by 8"
mircea_popescu: 1/64th of the recommended dosage is just about enough to be exaggerate for normal human!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hey BingoBoingo wtf is a 'testosterona' ? boiled goat balls, straight from 1950s quackeries ? << direct translation of testosterone. Probably what's being marketed is a depot formulation of testosterone attached to a long chain esther
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> speaking of which : one girl has been in the kitchen since daybreak (bout 8 hours ago) cooking non stop. << How's your stuffing coming along?
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742497 <- oh, hey, thank you; ftr I took it, changed the type'Image things and then it compiled perfectly fine (with gnatmake 4.9.3, gcc 4.9.4)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:28 asciilifeform: whaack: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/horse.tar.gz
diana_coman: fwiw I remember at some point I ran into weird issues with gnat that were apparently due to mismatched gcc version
whaack: diana_conman: cool, when I get back to it I'll try switching out my gnat/gcc first
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo moar eastern style, deviled eggs, apple pie, that sorta thing. bbq lamb...
BingoBoingo: Nice
BingoBoingo: This year's bird here is a beef brisket
shinohai: I'm thinking about buying a server in the North Sea
diana_coman had this flash image of shinohai paddling in the North Sea atop a server
shinohai: nah there is this crazy family that has a micronation in the middle of the ocean.
shinohai: i just introduced them to trb
shinohai: xD
diana_coman: what is a micronation?
shinohai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand
shinohai: they have a rack of servers and i can buy one lol
diana_coman: oh, the Floating Bear sort of thing, lol; close to "atop a server"
shinohai: very much so! :D
shinohai: im going to be tmsr ambassador to sealand! xD
phf: ok, i have some idea why http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742652 because i've done it in the past. when you're debugging issues for complete newbs, you basically instinctually looking for two things, imbalanced parenthesis and misuse of intrinsics. yeah you could copy paste that stuff to your emacs buffer, but if what you're doing is essentially social service work, you get burned out on doing deep help pretty fast, hence you want to keep it in the p☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 18:40 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i don't get why people who want code highlit don't open the code in a proper editor
phf: aster
phf: i've seen properly indented code before, that never the less lost or misplaced parenthesis here or there. naggum actually had a rant somewhere how most experienced lispers actually discover nesting issues by doing reindent. but if you're a newb, you're going to lose a parent, but keep the code shape the same
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> nah there is this crazy family that has a micronation in the middle of the ocean. << That's awfully close to airstrip one
shinohai: sovereignty ftw
shinohai: i want to at least host my blog there
BingoBoingo: How much do boxes there run, and you've been blogging?
shinohai: 1000 /yr and whoreticulture of course
shinohai: i guess i could write about the #trilema-church project
phf: trilema-church i think has to be a danielpbarron project
mircea_popescu: so here's a something : on one hand i very much like https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyX33qsWIAAdMW3.jpg ; on the other hand i am kinda considering hiring a court artist for my own personal self-aggrandization.
mircea_popescu: the idiot author of the linked piece is too fucking dumb to answer emails to his god damned own contact email as provided by patreon, notwithstanding he evidently is fucking starving. ho the fuck even told these schmucks they're at liberty to you know, "make own decisions" such as not pick up phone from god ?
mircea_popescu: but anyway -- does anyone want to go through all of deviantart until they find either something like that or something that doesn't suck ? for the purpose of helping the first tmsr appointed artist get his appointment ?
mircea_popescu: (deviantart here used as metasyntactic notation for "whatever shitty forum these mortidifame gather upon")
shinohai: i can try mircea_popescu
shinohai: thats awesum
mircea_popescu: ok but intensively plox. "can try" as in you know, i checked out 1mn pix.
shinohai: oh ill bug the oc artist above intensively
mircea_popescu: lmao no no
mircea_popescu: OTHER ones is the idea.
mircea_popescu: this one... whatever, learn to answer.
shinohai: u just want to look @ similar ones?
BingoBoingo: Not picking up phone from God is disqualifying via character defect
mircea_popescu: i don't even care if they're similar per se, just as long as they're good.
mircea_popescu: and show the proper values, such as demeaning women, bare cunts, etcetera.
shinohai: in other Argentine explosions: http://archive.is/2BThJ
mircea_popescu: shinohai basically just go through all the pages of https://www.deviantart.com/cartoons/whats-hot/ i guess
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742727 << wouldn't something like "run it by candi" work as an infinitely better solution to this problem than html-css ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 21:17 phf: i've seen properly indented code before, that never the less lost or misplaced parenthesis here or there. naggum actually had a rant somewhere how most experienced lispers actually discover nesting issues by doing reindent. but if you're a newb, you're going to lose a parent, but keep the code shape the same
phf: misplaced parenthesis is tricky to debug from the error messages, in fact i usually can't. i can usually intuit that the error is probably a result of misplaced parent, but then i still have to go an track it down
phf: i mean, a _misplaced_ parenthesis will result in a valid parse, but the error is going to be something along the lines of "error while parsing arguments to special form" or "argument x is not a number" or "function call with n arguments, but wants exactly m"
shinohai: http://archive.is/FSLHx <<< lollerz
phf: hardcoregaming101 "modernized" their website, original http://hg101.kontek.net/, new http://www.hardcoregaming101.net. it took me a while to realize that "new" site is not in fact a lost domain. in the process old site is still there, but half the links are broken. welcome to "modern"!
mircea_popescu: well the old one was prolly confusing