trinque: going over it again, it appears to reduce to gossiping vpatches and seals of a format which can reference vpatch hashes.
trinque: this handily solves the "I linked this motherfucking item in this state" not "well y'know, it used to be over here ..."
mircea_popescu: no, evidently it works fine in gossipd
mircea_popescu: the wonderment is how much of the crap to preserve on the way there and in which order
mircea_popescu: in other lulz,
mircea_popescu: "I am Mr. John Forbes Kerry, United States Secretary of State by profession. This is to inform you officially that after our investigations with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and other Security Agencies in the Country for the year ended 2015, we discovered that you have not receive your fund."
mircea_popescu: ( Subject: U.S Department of State 2201 C Street NW Washington, DC 20520. Contact phone number (+709 701-4615) )
asciilifeform: mother africa cries!11111111
mircea_popescu: for a moment there i thought kerry was diagnosed with cancer and is leaving his diamonds to orphans or somesuch
trinque: pete_dushenski: http://deedbot.org/help.html << updated
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-latest-lolz-from-the-department-of-state/ << Trilema - The latest lolz from the Department of State
mircea_popescu: and in other highschool, http://67.media.tumblr.com/70eae367a99ceeb30555b43e865a227f/tumblr_n6e73uWk1q1r6lsuho1_400.gif
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551840 << here's a thought - mircea_popescu , didja ever consider having the game come on ~bootable dvd~ ?! 1980s this-floppy-is-game-and-its-os style.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 18:26 mircea_popescu: if anyone is inclined to maintain forks of any linux distro (much in the manner of trb - to clean, not to "support"/utf/systemd/etc) we can prolly work something out.
asciilifeform: you could use trb-rotor almost as-is, if you went to this.
asciilifeform: game in kernel!
shinohai: That's an interesting though .....
shinohai: *thought
asciilifeform: 'control vertical and horizontal' (tm)(r)
adlai: (s) pls
asciilifeform: also does the thing really ~need~ gnu, or would mesa on a fast cpu suffice
asciilifeform: (does mircea_popescu's circa-'04 gpu actually beat mesa-on-intel7 , say?)
asciilifeform: *need gpu
asciilifeform: gpu.
adlai: Real Software Needs FPGA(tm)(S)(r)
asciilifeform: adlai: sober yet?
adlai: lol fuckno
adlai: i wake up dronk!
asciilifeform: ffs adlai
adlai has tasks to accomplish, pls to not disturb -- https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/
adlai: or should i -- save the page again {KLIK} -- http://archive.is/wnKMH
adlai: ... that's a long-to-archive /stream!
asciilifeform: wallowing with the eagles, i see
adlai: the eagles saved sam and frodo (in that order -- who even even gave a shit about the ringbearer?)
adlai really owes some meatwot guy the spamatron, could use an excuse to build it
adlai: (ftr - guy paid me to write it, i didn't, sent back coin, he sent back 1/3 coin for the "research" i did thus far, and wants it completed someday)
asciilifeform: adlai: fyi kanzure is in my meat l1. he self-confessedly serves evil.
adlai knows that he works for 'ledger x'
adlai: s/ks/ked/
adlai should maybe write regexbot before spamatron! definitely a lower branch.
asciilifeform: i have nfi re the other whizzards.
adlai: well, the bsmprimeprimeprimeprimeprime guy has been publishing reasonably intelligent material for a while
adlai: he's trying to fix the latency issue. i'm not sure it can be fixed, but he's trying.
asciilifeform: sooo why ain't he here.
asciilifeform: if 'intelligent'
adlai: because i'm a better troll than publicistL
adlai: s/L/L/
adlai: s/L/?/ did i just prove my point
asciilifeform: *meat l2
adlai: aha!
adlai: there's a worldova difference between L1 and L2
adlai: for this reason, btw, i'm quite pissed that ben_vulpes deeds his shit at deedbot's L1
asciilifeform: i tend to count from 0 in my head,
asciilifeform: always.
adlai: i meat, wtf. has ben_vulpes even met, ie, ... pete_dushenski ?
asciilifeform: afaik nobody here has, yet
asciilifeform: other than himself
adlai: well i like his blog, it's spiffy!
asciilifeform: also ~what~ latency issue
asciilifeform: .
asciilifeform: ?
adlai suddenly corrects himself -- pete_dushenski was not part of the highlight. whether he was a member of the can-encrypt set, is a matter too deep to reversee in /me's current state
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.
asciilifeform: aaaah which yes ?
mircea_popescu: as well as making a text-only client to obviate the obnoxious gfx thing
mircea_popescu: but ... takes time
mircea_popescu: "bootable dvd"
adlai: well... i'm not certain that bsmblahblah can produce an algorithm which will be softforked by existing btcminers, and never revoked (ie, miners fired) by existing holders; but he's trying to give a more-quantifiable "confirmation" value
adlai: currently, the confirmation value has a resolution of ~minuties
adlai: minutes
asciilifeform: adlai: waiwat
adlai: hours, if you care about a binary value
adlai doesn't sell coin irl for less
asciilifeform: none of this makes sense, adlai
trinque: he's fucking drunk and rambling.
asciilifeform: conf is denominated in blocks
asciilifeform: neh?
adlai: correct.
asciilifeform: so what minutes adlai ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: text client a la '80s mud ?
mircea_popescu: just about
asciilifeform: that would rock.
mircea_popescu: adlai i think you deeply misunderstand deedbot.
mircea_popescu: why am i reading this shit anyway. /me skips it.
adlai: AIUI (and that's capitalized for a reason -- he may disagree with me, as might any other educated reader of his papers and drafts) , there could be a system wherein clients publish blocks at some frequency, wherein some of the blocks are not valid "bitcoin-according-to-satoshi" blocks, but you still get a sense of how likely is the apparance of the next "bitcoin-as-in-satoshi" block
asciilifeform: WHY
adlai: ask him!
asciilifeform: should this be a thing
asciilifeform: HE isn't here
adlai: /pm bsm117532 or whatever his nick is today :(
adlai is quite pissed that the man/child actually changed nicks to "prove a point"
asciilifeform: so i ask adlai . who saw it fit to convey this nonsense to us here
adlai: do i need to pretend to go to sleep again?
asciilifeform: pray tell adlai , why should this be a thing to consider
adlai: do i need to pretend to go to sleep again?
asciilifeform: nono, i'd like to know
asciilifeform: adlai: you could answer 'entomological', but i read the link, and it would seem like you see something in there as a worthwhile idea. and i would like to know what..
adlai: because http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552277 -- and incidentally, i'm curious as fuck what exactly the WoT relationship between asciilifeform and kanzure is, since it sounds like maybe you know (irl!) somebody who knows him, or somesuch☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 01:54 adlai really owes some meatwot guy the spamatron, could use an excuse to build it
asciilifeform: adlai: correct
adlai: what is correct? too many antecedents
asciilifeform: adlai: i went to uni with a meat friend of his.
adlai: define 'friend'
adlai: has 'friend'
adlai: has 'friend' signed his pgp fingerprint? the full shit, not the eight ascii chars
trinque finds this whole thing deeply irritating
mircea_popescu: yeah. adlai go to bed.
adlai: better yet, the entire key
adlai sighs
asciilifeform: adlai: i have nfi why you might care, but the fella vanished long ago. and was never enwotted.
adlai: which fella?
asciilifeform: dude who introduced me to kanzure originally.
adlai: so you met kanzure irl?
adlai has seen him on youtube, this is roughly the same?
adlai: meeting some shmuck irl means ~nothing
asciilifeform: nope. and wouldn't care to.
adlai: ok, so he's not in your "L2", he's in your "L-finite"
adlai: as opposed to L-planet
asciilifeform: i did say 'meat'.
adlai: so what?
adlai: you live in mordor, bro!
adlai: hitler is in your L-meat
asciilifeform: probably
adlai bbl, writing spamatron
asciilifeform: !!rated kanzure
deedbot: asciilifeform rated kanzure -1 at 2014/06/21 22:40:29 << minor-league quisling; inquire within
asciilifeform: ^ re subj.
mircea_popescu: !!rated kanzure
deedbot: mircea_popescu has not rated kanzure.
asciilifeform: kid was cursed, at very young age, with being 'esr rich'
asciilifeform: now the dough is running short
asciilifeform: so off he went, in search of cock to suck
asciilifeform: and found usg's welcoming zipper open
mircea_popescu: name's vaguely familiar
asciilifeform: he is omnipresent in the circle adlai linked to
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Akanzure
asciilifeform: he is currently employed, or last i knew, providing 'mathematical' flavouring to 'power rangers' of various stripes.
adlai: sorry for reappearing so soon after "bbl", but - what does 'esr rich' mean? i struggled not-too-longago with a friend telling me "oh yes, that's shit that 'people with money' have in their house" (over random crap my idiot dad had), so... pray, what is "esr rich"?
asciilifeform: #!s esr
mircea_popescu: the reference is to eric raymond
adlai: "struggled" = wanted to yell at him, "you idiot, what do you mean by that, i'm just as poor as you" - but realizing that i'm less poor than him, but... still poor.
adlai: yeah i know who esr is
adlai: what is 'esr rich', though?
adlai has won no startup lottery
asciilifeform: #!s surprised by wealth
asciilifeform: grr
asciilifeform: !#s surprised by wealth
a111: 9 results for "surprised by wealth", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=surprised%20by%20wealth
adlai decides to ignore kanzure thread, keep musing on spamatron
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/asscience/#selection-193.73-197.16 << esr rich.
adlai: arguably - spamatron is the most important "bitcoin 2.0" app
asciilifeform: adlai: do not envy lottery winners. car wreck victims have better, as a rule, outcomes.
adlai: dude i've lived^H^H^Hread the trilema article on suacide
asciilifeform: still living it, it looks to me
adlai: and that's not a fucking typo, in case you don't know the joke -- "how did arafat die? suacide"
asciilifeform: get rid of the bottle, adlai .
adlai: b-b-but i just opened the second!
asciilifeform: eh.
mircea_popescu: if you ever wondered what uppity tortilla'd have been like if born intelligent.
mircea_popescu: but in the end, it all comes down to arguably the most important etc.
adlai corks it, for now at least, and goes back to musing on spamatron
adlai: fwiw - and bottle is still corked! - mircea's link doesn't cover folks who can live off of fiat wot, however short a time that lasts... ie, /me mostly lives off charity from $whatever-wot, but doesn't have to sell his btc. does this make him evil?
adlai: this situation is remarkably identical to that of gabri^Idamnit
trinque: put another cork in whichever hole is leaking your internal monologue
adlai wonders why the _v_ in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html when invoking v.pl
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551914 << Prodrug, requires metabolism to be activated. Much more gentle phamakinetic curve this way, low abuse potential.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 19:18 mircea_popescu: we are discussing very unlikely situations here. back when i was a kid, codeine as a phosophorous salt was the child cough remedy ; i took plenty ; so did other kids. did ~nothing.
adlai: deedbot: http://dpaste.com/2EX9RJF.txt
adlai: !!deed http://dpaste.com/2EX9RJF.txt
deedbot: accepted: 1
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1552110 << VASCAR 2.0!!!!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 22:39 asciilifeform: if you appear on camera b too soon after appearing in camera a, you get ticket.
mod6: adlai: what was your question?
adlai: mod6: the shit fails, i'm trying to figure out why, but meanwhile, it's deeded - whatever that's worth
mod6: what seems to be the problem?
adlai: Expected: 9c1e59cf1a30c33950cf5d6ffc202437bff08724cba0d4c07ed7390a6fa17bb5451a96ec2bde1b87b2b137bb0c908c32d985deea918d7b28767ed5db489de649
adlai: Actual: eed44c23a600b00eb70f3c7998d579c86bb62eb4018cd95934cdf56fdde70dc3500053e7816768605dcb5e3063505d0dbea6e4a604b02014eed210a112a38001
adlai: Pressed file hash did not match expected!
pete_dushenski: !!reputation
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/p5bvs/?raw=true
mod6: adlai: can you run `./v.pl f` and wotpaste it?
adlai: http://dpaste.com/1R0SW2N.txt
pete_dushenski: cool beans. http://bots.contravex.com updated, trinque.
trinque: sweet.
mod6: im not sure what you've got going on there adlai, but you're missing a bunch of vpatches
adlai doesn't particularly see how this informs mod6 of ~anything
adlai: which?
adlai: and, uh, let's get better error msgs, so i don't waste your time, next time
adlai used wget + emacs macro to get vpatches
adlai: maybe emacs is to blame, wouldn't be the first time
mod6: http://dpaste.com/2X6CFM6.txt
mod6: here's the list, that corresponds to the trb-howto.html corresponds to: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/patches/
mod6: bah, sorry for the redundancy.
adlai sighs -- again!
adlai: this is like the fi'th time tonite
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552304 << holy cramoly confoozed much ? deedbot is trinque's not ben_vulpes' and anyone in deedbot's l2 can !!deed (even though that pdf i tried to deed in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547765 never fertilised the egg).☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 02:02 adlai suddenly corrects himself -- pete_dushenski was not part of the highlight. whether he was a member of the can-encrypt set, is a matter too deep to reversee in /me's current state
a111: Logged on 2016-09-23 18:37 pete_dushenski: !!deed http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Bitfinex-Preview-BFX-conversion-pitch-b64.pdf.asc
trinque: ?
adlai: pete_dushenski: say what you're trying to say in plain simple language, not chomsky-implicationshish-whateverthefuck
adlai: romanian is probably good enough, even though /me don't speak it yet
trinque: oh man this guy with the jokes
adlai: it's not a joke
adlai: "joke", to me at least, implies significant setup, exposition, etc
adlai: this would be at most, a driveby
adlai: probably a pritty shitty one
trinque still wondering when the acid superintelligence will kick in for adlai
adlai: never?
adlai dunno what kind of "acid" your "friends" sell you
adlai: but all i learned from mine was -- baby, gotta b kind
adlai sure hopes dear reader understands wtf he's on about. if not -- goodnight
trinque: this thing where you pick a tangent and start jawing at length, goto start
trinque: dunno what you expect to come of it
pete_dushenski: trinque: i wanted to deed a pdf of bitfinex being derpy, so i base64'd it, signed it, and tried to deed it bu it didn't bundle
pete_dushenski: but*
trinque: mod6 has done larger turds than that; should've worked
pete_dushenski: in other holy cramolies i've never seen more than ~30 connections to laocoon but he's been maintaining 66-67 all day. werd.
pete_dushenski: trinque: ya, i recall mod6 going through the whole offline build deeding. took ages but it worked.
pete_dushenski: nfi why not the bitfinex lulz. mebbe deedbot decided it was neither funny enough nor important enough
pete_dushenski: on either account i'm not entirely sure i have any quarrels
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-432758.txt
trinque: I'll look into it tomorrow in either case.
trinque: all the others farted right on time.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552401 << speaking of ancient history (for those log readers unfamiliar) >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.0☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 02:23 mircea_popescu: if you ever wondered what uppity tortilla'd have been like if born intelligent.
pete_dushenski: trinque: cheers
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/d2mmu << for tortilla posterity
pete_dushenski: !#s golden toilet
a111: 94 results for "golden toilet", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=golden%20toilet
pete_dushenski: https://www.guggenheim.org/exhibition/maurizio-cattelan-america << for asciilifeform (and interestingly immune to archive.org and archive.is)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: was in log
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-16#1542873 <<☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-16 16:45 asciilifeform: 'The long-planned participatory (shall we say) sculpture by the Italian artist Maurizio Cattelan — a fully functional, solid 18-karat-gold copy of a Kohler toilet, an over-the-top apotheosis of wealth — was installed in the humble restroom on the fifth-floor ramp of the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum late last week and will be open for business to anyone with the urge on Friday...'
adlai: "For ???America??? Cattelan replaced the toilet in this restroom with a fully functional replica" ... functional? no side effects?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552469 << gotta wonder , where is he now.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 04:20 pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/d2mmu << for tortilla posterity
pete_dushenski: a damn. you're eminently deserving of your elefant gravatar, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski doesn't know the 'elephant' ?
pete_dushenski: adlai: primary side effect is richard serra wincing in paint at the shot across his 'participatory art' bow.
asciilifeform: from '5th element'
pete_dushenski: in pain*
adlai: why, i think he'd rather take it as a compliment
pete_dushenski: or raw steel i suppose. just not paint
adlai: you're using his usable doodad
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha
adlai starts reading http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552477, soon despairs, skims rest☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 04:24 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552469 << gotta wonder , where is he now.
BingoBoingo: !~step1
jhvh1: 1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
BingoBoingo: !~step2
jhvh1: 2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
adlai: !~step3
jhvh1: 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
adlai: !~step4
jhvh1: 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
adlai: !~step5
jhvh1: 5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
adlai: !~step6
jhvh1: 6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
adlai: !~step7
jhvh1: 7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
adlai: do i need to keep spamming this useless shit?
BingoBoingo: Well, are you still going to spill bottle everywhere?
adlai: '''define''' spill
trinque: !!down adlai
trinque: enough fucking meta-conversation loop.
adlai: asciilifeform: this is what happened to him: "The board of directors of Silvervault O?? has decided to close the operations. We expect the closure to be on effect June 2016, until which you may pick-up or sell your silver. Fixings will only be conducted on Thursdays. Thank you for the 5 years together, and sorry for the market turning against us!"
trinque: you hit it, and more signal comes out
trinque goes to bed
pete_dushenski idem.
adlai: (./bjam toolset=gcc link=static -sNO_BZIP2=1 -sNO_ZLIB=1 -sNO_COMPRESSION=1 || true) # FIX THIS ABOMINATION!!!
adlai: also, i had to install 'cpio' on this box, whatever that is
trinque: you fix that.
adlai: no u!
adlai thought trinque went to be
trinque: christ, man.
adlai: 200~http://www.bricktestament.com/the_teachings_of_jesus/on_peace/lk12_49b.html
adlai blinks at that weirdly smooth numba
trinque: ftr I put that comment there. used to be that rotor lacked a -e and so would pass over the boost failing targets silently. while we don't use them, the `|| true` certainly has to go
trinque: the task there is disabling all unused boost targets.
mod6: adlai: did you get all of the vpatches then?
adlai: mod6: yes, it's still building atm
adlai: and by 'building' i mean gcc.compile.c++ing
mod6: after a closer look on my side, you got that specific error because you were missing: 'bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.vpatch'
mod6: sounds like it's resolved now.
adlai: well, the missing patch is resolved; but the missing cpio - is a bug.
adlai: wtf, i know of no cl lib that takes this long to build. even with sbcl. wtf.
adlai: /usr/bin/ranlib ../../libcrypto.a || echo Never mind. << these people
adlai encounters another bug, adds `G++ = cxx` to fix, wonders how deep the shithole rabbits
adlai: oh here we go! net.cpp:35:1: error: reference to ???array??? is ambiguous
adlai: no hat
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552459 << i don't have statistical statistics on normal connection count but it ~doubled today as well. sustainedly, as well.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 04:10 pete_dushenski: in other holy cramolies i've never seen more than ~30 connections to laocoon but he's been maintaining 66-67 all day. werd.
ben_vulpes: over seventy all day so i win or something
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552504 << no you don't, and stop.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 04:31 adlai: do i need to keep spamming this useless shit?
adlai: but i still can't build the silly offline trb doodad!
adlai is stuck on the same error, trying to massage it with cppisms but... yuck
ben_vulpes: what kind of system are you using?
adlai: Linux adlai-t400 4.7.2-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Aug 20 23:02:56 CEST 2016 x86_64 GNU/Linux
adlai: t400 is the hardware. lenovo
adlai: GOD FUCKING DAMNIT https://github.com/FairCoinTeam/fair-coin/issues/14 DOESN'T ACTUALLY EXPLAIN HOW THE DUDE FIXED IT SHIT
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552529 << if i have a foggy notion of what you're undertaking you're probably compiling a linux kernel and a mountain of other things as well☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 04:58 adlai: wtf, i know of no cl lib that takes this long to build. even with sbcl. wtf.
adlai: dude i'm http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html - ing
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/FairCoinTeam/fair-coin/commit/761475dbe4c5cb8dcc2a99ee4f67271c4cb5c357
ben_vulpes: yeah so there's a linux to compile as well
ben_vulpes waves hands furiously
ben_vulpes: or so they tell me
adlai: if this fixes it...
adlai will then specify in his resume that he only worked with CLR, not CPP proper
ben_vulpes: so what does replbot do
adlai: wonders which cock mystery L1-only deeds suck
ben_vulpes: really? that's what dragged you out of your hole?
adlai: no, i tried building the shit and it failed. but you asked a silly question, so i gave a silly answer
jurov: ben_vulpes: totally swell, just...is machine-readable output planned?
jurov: if it's in lisp, just dump the sexpr, don't even bother with backwards compat
jurov: adlai: it builds boost. which is worse compiletimewise than kernel :)
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1t1A
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: https://twitter.com/CryptoHolmes/status/783113736831770624 <<< noshit.jpg
mircea_popescu: and in other "better industrial machineries and processes", http://66.media.tumblr.com/eebe12d3bf4392541e286d6260e3c5d9/tumblr_nia5igC37I1trwqu4o1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform am i getting a thing from you then ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: later today, yes
mircea_popescu: kewl.
asciilifeform also preparing massive pile of research for blogification
mircea_popescu: muy bien!
asciilifeform slams head on desk, got 'private!11111' leaks via plaintext shitmail
asciilifeform: wai, wai, people gotta be savages.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: explain this to the agent in question.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, i wonder if anyone appreciates just how much their social skills, and generally speaking mental kernel improved as a result of interaction with #trilema.
mircea_popescu: and i don't just mean the regulars. whole departments of teh usgistan got more education at work than in "college".
asciilifeform: they typically go to the uni i went to, mircea_popescu . and know what they study? 'journalism'.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: but still - they pay 50k or w/e ; which is significantly more than we charge.
asciilifeform: it was 'undocumented' but everybody knew where the leprosorium was.
mircea_popescu: much like in the other us.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also consider that if you don't keep a shitmail ; this becomes not possible.
mircea_popescu: let them wotpaste in plaintext, why not.
asciilifeform: and on dirigible there are no roof leaks also.
asciilifeform: nor drain backs up.
mircea_popescu: it seriously is not that impossibru, "if you would like to contact me, here's my pubkey, here's the wotpaste link, here's the irc channel. here are instructions how to do all this, step by step, for windows, even with "youtube tutorials".
asciilifeform: my www had 'contact' link, it goes to empty page, gotta fix it to go phuctor-style
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: the quarter or w/e i spent over the past month shows clearly that this CAN be done, even by the bottom of the barrel from that third world scammer forum known as tardstalk.
mircea_popescu: if a marginally literate 17yo barefoot son of a farmer from goatfuckistan can manage to get kleopatra running on the 486 at the "luxor centre for businessmen" and then manage to register his key with deedbot over dial-up, so can the peonry.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552416 << i have nfi how you imagine this works, but it doesn't work this way.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 03:56 adlai: mod6: the shit fails, i'm trying to figure out why, but meanwhile, it's deeded - whatever that's worth
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552431 <<< srsly?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 04:00 adlai used wget + emacs macro to get vpatches
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552453 << for the record, "get a probe and do something useful with yourself" was not an invitation to enter the high phase of your bipolar. it was an invitation to get the actual probe, spend six weeks or whatever your skull actually needs learning how to use it, and then next year or w/e start shitting out useful things such as a pill for ddr or a pill for usb or a pill for nvidia or so fo☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 04:08 adlai sure hopes dear reader understands wtf he's on about. if not -- goodnight
mircea_popescu: llowing. but in any case - until and unless, you're still the shitstain you always were, shut the fuck up foremost, and stop thinking anyone gives two shits for your whole 150lb sack of flesh or whatever it is.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: and know what they study? << i thought it was "Communications" now or whatever the fuck US girls (who think they are princess) go into to get into a marketing department
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: cia foreign service recruits (or at least once did) from uni of md 'journalism' sub-dept.
thestringpuller: and despite how sexist it sounds, nearly every female of this type i've worked with is better suited to spitting out babies than actually bringing value to a corporation
asciilifeform: dunno why.
asciilifeform: and yes
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and the dude, believe or not, went through bootcamp, drove a tank, you'd think he'd have learned something.
asciilifeform: i suppose with enough dope anybody can unlearn anything..?
thestringpuller: it's a fucking epidemic d00d. Perhaps it was Disney or maybe the dad's who decided it was a good idea to give their daughter any and all things, including that 80k BMW for graduating college with a degree (in communications).
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu may enjoy reprogramming women before entering his harem, but I ain't trynna get into management.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: these mostly go to 'private', vs state, schools, but i did meet some.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform army doesn't actually need people to work.
asciilifeform: how's that work, the tank drives itself ?
asciilifeform: or idea is that lazy man ~will~ perform under the whip, or what.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller there's a lot of worthless paper money floating around, "investing it" in "the future" is not even much of a leap. way the fuck better than the local idiots, who run around "investing" their worthless paper money in "real estate" and keep telling themselves that a thirld world square foot with 0 amenties could nevertheless sell for 200 dollars. ie, 10x the heart of san francisco.
mircea_popescu: then they go around and manufacture spoons that are a millimeter wider than standard jars. because soberania and industria argentina and head so far up the ass you can't even tell they have heads in the first place.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's not so much "driving" involved. just follow.
asciilifeform: yes, and i thought mircea_popescu's observation was precisely 'dude can't follow'
asciilifeform: y'know, the thing army teaches folks to do.
asciilifeform: to shuddup, and follow the next tracked coffin, to wherever.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i'm highly convinced corporate america is set up so women get knocked up. for realz, I think you get 6 months paid leave to spawn an offspring as a women here (at my salt mine at least), which hey, fine. So all and all it's just a device to get men wives.
thestringpuller: Or at least that's how it's been playing out given the fact 50% of all women there are pregnant at any given time.
mircea_popescu: white bitches won't spawn ; what's people to do.
mircea_popescu: they'll even let them do it with black dudes and rappers, still dun do much.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he can't follow reliably ; otherwise most all he does is follow.
mircea_popescu: you know, exactly like broken computer. if it doesn't compute altogether it's a brick not a computer. if it computes all the time and you can never trust the ouput, then it's a broken computer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in other news i registered #loper-os and #asciilifeform defensively ; whenever you feel like building them up say and i'll pass them along.
mircea_popescu: and i recall saying this before, but anyway - every lord should seriously consider registering a channel for himself. the way this is going is towards such a federation anyway.
mircea_popescu: and in other fucking nonsense, freenode has decided to redirect ALL inbound links to its most recent web page, to advertise to the world privateinternetaccess.com, ie the nsa front ; and their derpitude in support of "resurrecting tor". this of course includes all old manual pages and everything else.
asciilifeform: danke mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: i only had trilema-asciilifeform previously.
mircea_popescu: fucking shameless imbeciles.
mircea_popescu: !!rate christel -10 usg tool
deedbot: christel is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly.
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/domain/privateinternetaccess.com/ << if anyone is interested in building a list of known usg pinoy reddit accounts.
mircea_popescu: including, obviously, rickard falkvinge & his merry gang of sellouts.
shinohai adds theymos to the list
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/10/ethereum-come-at-me-bro-patch-attacked-as-invitation-is-taken/ << Qntra - Ethereum "Come At Me Bro" Patch Attacked As Invitation Is Taken
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the source on "andrew lee" being the ceo of privateinternetaccess.com is... an ancient ars technica article... about... oh you've guessed it; mtgox. http://archive.is/5OSIG
mircea_popescu: aquihire, the favourite nsa mechanism for implanting its shitheads in corps.
mircea_popescu: win-win, it both creates the impression that "200 mn, you could be next!" for the herd of mouthbreathers shelling out 50 bux to see pg eat rubber chicken and stale macaroni out of a plastic plate ; and delivers "under the radar" implants.
mircea_popescu: (and yes the name is very likely a fake, or w/e, a "literary pseudonym". because historical andrew daulton lee, and aren't we fucking clever over at md journo school.)
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/eiEBR#selection-1041.0-1047.1 for the vague lulz potential.
asciilifeform: 'One of PIA’s biggest selling points (like other VPN providers) is that it does not log anything, and thus has little data to actually hand over to law enforcement.' << lel
asciilifeform: Believe Moar Promises
mircea_popescu: right ? much like "bitbet.us doesn't log anything" which then seamlessly turns into "of course it does" the moment i pull the chain.
asciilifeform: the greatest american who ever lived, p. t. barnum, is not forgotten in his motherland. his work lives.
mircea_popescu: i don't have a middle finger long enough for these fuckers.
mircea_popescu: anyway, since you seem to care, notice how it's perfectly fine for privateinternetaccess.com to fill EVERY AVAILABLE REDDIT every time they pen some new piece of braindamage ? it's not clear they average less than 6 per, and notice how the votes go ?
mircea_popescu: that's reddit for you. agency washing for the ruminant masses.
asciilifeform: sorta what it's for, neh
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: lulzy as fuck ; both vorhees and casares were there with me when i told them i'm taking mtgox down. in spite of everything teh usg could come up with, i took it down. yet they STILL believe the entity to suck the dick of is the usg.
mircea_popescu: braindamage on this level is why america needs to be made great again in the first place.
asciilifeform: mtgox, evidently, was not a sufficient stalingrad.
mircea_popescu: depends for whom. for idiots there's no sufficient stalingrad. kinda the definition.
asciilifeform: nah, a stalingrad, definitionally, suffices for the folks on the bus.
asciilifeform: to know which way the elevator is going.
mircea_popescu: what can i tell ye. maybe.
asciilifeform: 'The theory is that while a court can compel someone to not speak (a gag order), it cannot compel someone to lie.' << orly.
mircea_popescu: perhaps the entomo-lulziest bit in the historical pile, of course, being https://archive.is/bhnUj (2012-03 vs http://trilema.com/2011/fetele-bitcoin-ului-episodul-i/ 2011-09).
mircea_popescu: thing started life as a "copy trilema six months later" affair.
mircea_popescu: gah wrong link where is it
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/fetele-bitcoin-ului-episodul-iii << correct item
PeterL: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6evj2/?raw=true << lamport.py , a python port of asciilifeform's lamport-parachute scripts
asciilifeform: PeterL: neato
PeterL: uses the same formatting for files, so you should be able to e.g. generate key with one and use it on the other
mircea_popescu: even better.
asciilifeform: (in actual practice, i would probably use sha512 or keccak; sha256 was for pedagogic example only)
PeterL: aha. Changing hash algo in this is not as easy as in your thing, because I built it in
asciilifeform: notice, with my original, you can substitute in your favourite hasher without changing the code.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: PeterL: what is the logic in ' if hexmessage[-1] == 'L': ' ?
PeterL: there is probably a better way to convert into hex, but I was getting hex with an L at the end of the string, because python
mircea_popescu: ehehe
PeterL: I am also not convinced my way is the best way of getting a binary string for the encoding
PeterL: seemed kinda kludgy
PeterL: off to a meeting, bbl
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://www.larrycollinsfineart.com/arsenault/John%20Arsenault%20-Patriotic%20Overload,%202001%20c-print.jpg (notice the toes.)
trinque: so this is what happens when you invert the dakka
mircea_popescu: kakka ?
trinque: cukka, lol
mircea_popescu: lol
phf: PeterL: '%x' % num
jurov: or import binhex (it's in python std lib)
jurov: PeterL has strings, not integers anyway
jurov: er.. sorry, it's binascii.hexlify()
phf: jurov: hexmessage = hex(int(binmessage, 2))[2:]
mircea_popescu: ^
jurov: nevermind, seems i misread the code
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
asciilifeform: trinque, shinohai , mircea_popescu , et al ^
asciilifeform: 'AMD’s PSP is based around a single 32-bit ARM Cortex-A5, with its own isolated ROM and SRAM but has access to system memory and resources. It contains logic to deal with the x86 POST process but also features a cryptographic co-processor.' << they stuffed, finally, their 'fritz chip', into the g-series.
asciilifeform: https://github.com/coreboot/blobs/tree/master/southbridge/amd/kern/PSP << lulzy, on subj.
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: the payloads aren't, interestingly, encrypted
asciilifeform: only signed
mircea_popescu: gonna extract some ?
asciilifeform: no need to extract, it is right there !
mircea_popescu: ah, but to trust this ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is what gets rolled into coreboot
asciilifeform: so these are what run on the apu2.
asciilifeform: i'd like to get their pubkey into phuctor, but it is in some peculiar format. (if somebody can discern a modulus in there, please write in.)
mircea_popescu: "Features and fixes: 1. ENH466357: Reduce PSP/SMN clock back to 300 MHz as a temporarily workaround for eCZ B10/A10 fused parts." eh, what am i looking at here ?
asciilifeform: amd's shitball, as-released
asciilifeform: it gets rolled into coreboot, or post-2013 chip doesn't release from reset on warmup.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/biNPy << related lulz.
asciilifeform: 'PSP: The Cortex A8 running trustzone firmware, implemented from family 15h model 60h (Carrizo) and family 16h model 30h (Mullins) and up. It is running Trustonic TEE OS licensed by AMD. PSP Boot ROM runs *before* x86 core. Then non-bootrom PSP parts are stored (zlib-compressed) in the main flash. Bypass mechanism available via strap pin, but dummy and AMD signed bypass binaries needs to be always run. It is expected that newer CPUs
asciilifeform: will offload part of AGESA to the PSP, making memory init even part of the PSP :(' -- https://www.coreboot.org/Binary_situation .
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: trustonic lmao
asciilifeform: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/hardware/samsung_slsi/exynos5/+/master/libkeymaster/tlcTeeKeymaster_if.c#831 << possibly the key format.
asciilifeform: (unless they made an entirely other one for x86)
mircea_popescu: worth checking
asciilifeform: ok am i dreaming, or did i just read...
asciilifeform: ' |--key metadata--|--public modulus--|--public exponent--|--private exponent--|'
mircea_popescu: lol ?
mircea_popescu: no there it is, line 839
shinohai: O.o
mircea_popescu: how is rsa supposed to work with different exponents ?
asciilifeform: realize, if we know the private exponent, we can demolish the N.
asciilifeform: in a few seconds.
asciilifeform: but i cannot presently believe that the 'd' (private exponent) is actually in there.
mircea_popescu: the privexp doesn't seem to be used/referenced in that code snippet though.
asciilifeform: nobody is that stupid.
mircea_popescu: tee-get-pubkey just loads a mod and exp like in sanity.
asciilifeform: it is the key format that interested me.
mircea_popescu: i somehow can;t believe they just gave away the key.
mircea_popescu: esp as this is >1 year old by now. foss right, many eyes ?
BingoBoingo: Why wouldn't they give it away? Sony did.
mircea_popescu: heh
ben_vulpes: jurov: thanks, that'd be one of those 'glaring oversights'
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/k081w/?raw=true http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wv3x3/?raw=true << have we heroes ??
BingoBoingo: Anyways this seems to be the way the Republic's eye works. Jools are hiding in plain sight unseen. Republican eye turn upon them for unrelated bsns. Jools get got.
mircea_popescu: nothing got here as of yet. but sure.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1552224 << thought about it, now understand☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 23:46 mircea_popescu: think about it.
shinohai: !!up GiveMe5
deedbot: GiveMe5 voiced for 30 minutes.
GiveMe5: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/gcygb/?raw=true
shinohai: GiveMe5: do this !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/gcygb/?raw=true
GiveMe5: !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/gcygb/?raw=true
deedbot: B661FC04321E3F47F254A0FBA40B09860B4CC476 registered as GiveMe5.
GiveMe5: finish
GiveMe5: now?
asciilifeform: default "3rdparty/blobs/southbridge/amd/avalon/PSP/AmdPubKey.bin" if CPU_AMD_PI_00730F01
asciilifeform: default "3rdparty/blobs/southbridge/amd/kern/PSP/AmdPubKeyCZ.bin" if CPU_AMD_PI_00660F01
asciilifeform: ^ from coreboot src.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is it just me or is it a strange thing that the pubkey is in there at all.
asciilifeform: i would think it would be in mask rom.
asciilifeform: (what prevents the substitution of another pubkey ?)
mircea_popescu: so would i. but hey, we're not hardware developers.
mircea_popescu: maybe the privkey is in mask rom ?
asciilifeform: that would be hilarious
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you.
asciilifeform: !!up kmalkki
deedbot: kmalkki voiced for 30 minutes.
kmalkki: hi
asciilifeform: hi Kyösti
kmalkki: so.. a package should arrive in your inbox anytime soon
asciilifeform: kmalkki: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552690 << here's what you missed re thread.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kmalkki is an experimenter with sage/amd g-series/etc.
PeterL: !!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/536oi/?raw=true
deedbot: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: kmalkki consider registering your rsa key with deedbot.
trinque: I get such great stuff for free running deedbot.
mircea_popescu: whatcha get ?
trinque: just now a python lamport-achute
trinque: other times, vintage gpg, complete deps for trb, all sorts of things
asciilifeform: kmalkki: i received your find, it is very spiffy.
kmalkki: I chose the smallest raw binary, SmartUpdater to experiment with
PeterL: the question I have, is lamport-achute any easier for people to understand if written in python than in bash?
kmalkki: readelf and objdump now understand and disassemble it nicely
asciilifeform: kmalkki: ida happily eats the update payload.
asciilifeform: kmalkki: the stellaris arm also had jtag pins, handily brought out to pcb, as seen here, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/sage/test_points.jpg , i plugged it into a busblaster and eventually stepped through the execution from reset to where it checked the serial.
asciilifeform: kmalkki: now more interestingly, hdt is simply a protocol on top of jtag, imho the main scientific interest in the smartprobe fw would be to extract the protocol.
asciilifeform: so that folks do not need to rely on the extinct smartprobe and can make own debugger (the pinout is public)
mircea_popescu: trinque a yeah. hehe.
kmalkki: do you have access to AMD BKDG documents?
asciilifeform: kmalkki: but the other prong of this is your apparent discovery that new g-series boards disable hdt somehow
asciilifeform: kmalkki: i do not and will not sign any nda.
asciilifeform: if you would like to post them publicly, send them pgp-encrypted to any of the folks here.
kmalkki: I just found the HDT debug support in the NDAd BKDG
kmalkki: it has been removed from the public BKDG
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1t65
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: kmalkki: i know that it is in the private one, yes.
asciilifeform: (or rather, that it was not in any of the public datashits.)
asciilifeform: but no, i don't have access to any amd members-only whatevers.
asciilifeform: and never did.
asciilifeform: kmalkki: do you perchance know the format of the amd public keys seen here : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552732 ( from coreboot dist )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 16:25 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/k081w/?raw=true http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wv3x3/?raw=true << have we heroes ??
asciilifeform: !!up kmalkki
deedbot: kmalkki voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: ty shinohai
kmalkki: I believe I know the key format, 1 min
adlai orders probe & lurks until he has something more useful to contribute than yesterday's babble
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/10/after-recent-leak-north-sea-lubricated-to-spec-per-bps-assessment/ << Qntra - After Recent Leak North Sea Lubricated To Spec Per BP's Assessment
asciilifeform: https://github.com/coreboot/coreboot/blob/master/util/amdfwtool/amdfwtool.c << this appears to show where it ends up sitting down in the coreboot flash image, but not the format.
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: lubricate the sea, lower transportation costs, save the environment!
asciilifeform: the sea, lol, but apparently it is possible to 'lubricate' tapwater, reduces vorticing and friction loss. discovered in '70s in su, iirc, never used for anything.
asciilifeform: you add short polymer chains, they 'drag', so to speak, the water.
mircea_popescu: finally a use for all that plastic sludge in the pacific.
mircea_popescu: YOU CAN ADD IT T O TAP WATER
mircea_popescu: "we found this abundant shit we dunno what to do with." "add it to tap water."
kmalkki: there is SHA-256 hash of AmdPubKey.bin stored in PSP BootROM
asciilifeform: kmalkki: so all we need is a collision to break the thing ?
asciilifeform: of one single sha2 ?
mircea_popescu: that's not terribly expensive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can be pretty expensive if there is any structure checking
mircea_popescu: well it's a pubkey.
asciilifeform: (i.e. if the collision needs to be a turd in a similar format)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pubkey-with-header, presumably, so i'd like to know 1) where is the modulus 2) is there checksum etc.
mircea_popescu: why ? you don't care what you iterate over ; whatever format it may be you iterate that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: narrows the space, yes.
mircea_popescu: tru.
asciilifeform: ergo - more expensive.
asciilifeform: kmalkki: if it is an rsa key, i would like to get it into phuctor.
asciilifeform: kmalkki: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com .
kmalkki: 0x38 4 bytes exponent size
kmalkki: 0x3c 4 bytes modulus size
asciilifeform: 0x01...0x03 seems to be a constant, 1. but what's 0x04..0x38.. ?
kmalkki: 0x40 N bytes public exponent (N = 0x100 for RSA-2048)
kmalkki: 0x140 N bytes modulus
kmalkki: 0x04 .. 0x38 sort of GUIDs, unique identifiers for chain-of-trust
asciilifeform: interesting
asciilifeform: any idea whether the latter are derived from the modulus ?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: did you ever post your converter-to-rfc4880 script ?
asciilifeform: !!up kmalkki
deedbot: kmalkki voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 607.0, vol: 3286.01228327 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 607.502, vol: 3372.35673 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 611.3, vol: 5470.86711697 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 610.322347, vol: 176768.49800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 611.337, vol: 387.8041609 | Volume-weighted last average: 610.244758437
asciilifeform: kmalkki: something is strange. the format appears to be little-endian, but if we look at some of the pubkeys in http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/k081w/?raw=true , they would appear to be EVEN
asciilifeform: e.g., 'avalon' PspSecureDebug.Key , ends in 0e a8 92 70 .
asciilifeform: do you know what an even rsa modulus implies ?
kmalkki: that is different sized file, different format
asciilifeform: lolk
asciilifeform: do you happen to know the format ?
kmalkki: same as before, but from 0x240 starts signature with RSA-SSA-SIGN with AMD's private key
asciilifeform: ah thx
kmalkki: the idea behind all this, is OEM can send their public key to AMD to be signed
kmalkki: and then OEM can sign their firmware without bothering AMD for every build
asciilifeform: any idea how amd revokes ?
kmalkki: they don't if there is only single SHA-256 fused in PSP bootrom for their public key?
asciilifeform: that would appear to be so
asciilifeform: though it raises the question of why they would not simply share their master key with the OEMs then
asciilifeform: if it reduces to the same thing, given lack of revocation mechanism
asciilifeform: perhaps it was simply to trace leaks.
kmalkki: I guess you have heard how AMD SMU keys leaked out for previous gen?
asciilifeform: kmalkki: https://events.ccc.de/congress/2014/Fahrplan/system/attachments/2503/original/ccc-final.pdf << these ?
kmalkki: yep
asciilifeform: it was interesting, but does not help with the crippled psp.
asciilifeform: (smu is a southbridge animal)
asciilifeform: iirc cpu will run with a nulled smu rom.
asciilifeform: !!up kmalkki
deedbot: kmalkki voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: kmalkki: how did you determine the fact about the sha256 at boot ?
kmalkki: documentation only
asciilifeform: ... consider sharing ?
mircea_popescu: kmalkki> 0x40 N bytes public exponent (N = 0x100 for RSA-2048) << o seriously, e is 256 bits long ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i just verified, indeed, they left a 2048-bit long chunk of bits for the 65537 to live in !
asciilifeform: in all of the keys.
mircea_popescu: nuts.
kmalkki: 256 bytes or 2048 bits
mircea_popescu: o right, because it's rsa 2048, so e should be 2048 bits. makes sense >.<
asciilifeform: hey, futureproof!11111
mircea_popescu: right.
kmalkki: note that RtmPubSigned.key[0x14..0x23] == AmdPubKey.bin[0x04..0x13]
asciilifeform: i did notice.
asciilifeform: they are constant for each blobset.
asciilifeform: !!up kmalkki
deedbot: kmalkki voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: cosmic ray protection ?
mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated nonlulz, "Todos los derechos individuales reconocidos y consagrados por la Constitución Nacional están sujetos a las limitaciones o modificaciones que los derechos de la sociedad imponen, es decir, a un poder de reglamentación con fines de conveniencia social y seguridad común, como que el bienestar y prosperidad general es precisamente uno de los primordiales objetivos de todo estatuto constituciona
mircea_popescu: l, y particularmente del nuestro, según reza con toda claridad su propio preámbulo."
mircea_popescu: what is a socialist state ? why, any state that purports to hold individual rights hostage to imaginary "rights of society".
asciilifeform: ok, so,
asciilifeform: blob = open(sys.argv[1], 'rb').read()
asciilifeform: (exp_size, mod_size) = struct.unpack_from("<II", blob, 0x38)
asciilifeform: exp_size /= 8
asciilifeform: mod_size /= 8
asciilifeform: exp = blob[0x40 : 0x40 + exp_size]
asciilifeform: mod = blob[0x40 + exp_size : 0x40 + exp_size + mod_size]
asciilifeform: in python, gives (little-endian) extracts of exp and mod.
asciilifeform: kmalkki: this would suggest that the modulus is stored big-endian ?!
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-432852.txt
asciilifeform: otherwise, in the case of the 1st one seen here, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wv3x3/?raw=true , it would be even?!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552874 << evidently not, they are not functions of the exponent or modulus (they stay constant across variations in both of the latter)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 18:44 mircea_popescu: cosmic ray protection ?
mircea_popescu: hm.
kmalkki: where exactly do you see the even number
mircea_popescu: kmalkki he means, if it's read as little-endian, it ends with a 0 bit
asciilifeform: cc df 66 cf littleendianized
asciilifeform: 0xcc == 0b11001100 .
asciilifeform: observe that the exponents are 01 00 01 00 00 .......
asciilifeform: i.e. little-endian.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform then again the next one... 5c 7f 11 22
mircea_popescu: both 22 and 5c are even
asciilifeform: nono
asciilifeform: that next one has a selfsig
asciilifeform: as kmalkki pointed out earlier.
mircea_popescu: ah right you are it does
mircea_popescu: nm
asciilifeform: the master key, interestingly, has no self-sig.
asciilifeform: nor any checksums, it would appear.
kmalkki: but bootrom supposedly contains SHA-256 hash of master key
asciilifeform: and - unless i am hallucinating - has an even N
asciilifeform: kmalkki: this would not be a surprising way to do it - sha is easy to hardwareize, rsa - not so easy
asciilifeform: but i bet that it'd happily eat a collided turd
asciilifeform: though if it really has an even N...
mircea_popescu: there doesn't seem to be much restriction of form whatsoever ; not even of size, re that collided turd.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: did sha256 have an extension attack or am i confusing it
mircea_popescu: iirc it's like md5 based on merkle construction yes ?
asciilifeform: yes, but does not help in this case
asciilifeform: thing hashes a fixed-length turd, it would seem.
asciilifeform: (and if it did not, i still don't see how glomming bits onto the payload would change the outcome of the verification)
asciilifeform: kmalkki: do you know whether anyone has read out the mask rom ?
asciilifeform: where the actual verification routine lives
kmalkki: not that I know of
kmalkki: whether it is mask rom or fused hash at production is also unknown
mircea_popescu: time to bust out ye olde microscope huh. you got a chip alf ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plenty, but no electron microscope.
asciilifeform: nor dirigible.
mircea_popescu: eh, hitachi s5000s start at what, 70k ?
mircea_popescu: anyway /me had the idea you got one in your garage, nfi why exactly.
asciilifeform: i am not a wealthy man, mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: incidentally, the moduli in the self-signed blobs end in : d6 e1 1c ec ; 46 0a d0 9a ; be fe 39 b6 ; 2c c3 f2 a2 ; 46 0a d0 9a ; 13 7d e7 c3 .
asciilifeform: yes, the parsed-out mods.
asciilifeform: they parse.
asciilifeform: does anyone see where this is goign
asciilifeform: *going
asciilifeform: !!up kmalkki
deedbot: kmalkki voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes claps and bounces in his seat
mircea_popescu: kmalkki seriously, register your key so you don't keep being silenced.
asciilifeform: all but the last is littleendian-even.
asciilifeform: kmalkki: also interestingly, the turdlets are supposedly arm-compatible, and - to naked eye, seeing strings - plainly unciphered, but they do not appear to disassemble cleanly as either big- or little-endian arm.
mircea_popescu: trustlets! not turdlets! lmao!
asciilifeform: (conceivably the cheapest way to read out the boot rom would be to get arbitrary code execution in the stock turdlet)
kmalkki: maybe I got this all wrong, but could [0x140] contain the LSB of the entire modulus
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: that would make sense
kmalkki: docs have no mention of endianness
asciilifeform: no but if it follows same pattern as the exponent
asciilifeform: ok these then all become sane-looking rsa moduli.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al ^ .
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: phuctor hopper takes republican e,N,comment format for rsa yes ?
asciilifeform: only via Framedragger's script
asciilifeform: which i can't seem to find a copy of
mircea_popescu: o.O
asciilifeform: (phuctor is very deeply baked around rfc4880 and expects all db entries to parse by it, and changing this would be a titanic labour)
mircea_popescu: i dun thnk he ever actually published it
mircea_popescu: there is of course jurov's http://explo.yt/post/2016/05/20/Parsing-OpenSSH-RSA-keys-in-Python
asciilifeform: well, i pinged him earlier (seems like we lost ;;later tell ...) so perhaps he will show up soon.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell asciilifeform we din' lose nuttin
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: oh huh, possibly jurov's thing will work
asciilifeform: and neato.
mircea_popescu: afaik Framedragger didn't do so much to it as to justify repub ; he just used jurov's thing. mebbe i'm wrong, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: was teh impression i got.
asciilifeform: anyway about to try jurov's.
kmalkki: gotta go. ping me in #coreboot if there's more guestions
asciilifeform: thank you for your finds, kmalkki . please come back, and make pgp key
asciilifeform: earlier he sent me complete symbol tables for the sage rom.
mircea_popescu: nice.
asciilifeform: ( if only i had these last year ... )
mircea_popescu: isn't that always the thing.
shinohai: In "Nobody is shocked" news http://archive.is/Qrd3P
mircea_popescu: eh, iirc it's divulged on trilema they've been stealing email contents and selling to spammers for half a decade or more by now.
asciilifeform: in other hilarities, i pick up the phone, and it is yet moar unsolicited work offers from usg.
mircea_popescu: well, they got microscope!
asciilifeform: these tend to come in when we have threads like earlier.
asciilifeform: rectothermoscope.
mircea_popescu: also.
asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaaaaaaand
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/yg2lx/?raw=true
asciilifeform: about to fire.
shinohai: http://archive.is/A66la <<< factom files with the SEC lmao
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is it ? link to phuctor page ?
asciilifeform: not yet
mircea_popescu: !#s factom
a111: 27 results for "factom", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=factom
mircea_popescu: ah ok
asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaand...
asciilifeform prepares to push button
shinohai knocks on wood
asciilifeform: all 8 in.
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/65CDDFD7368DB845E77C15274579027F05E3FF12F4273AFCF81873267B864BF6
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F4218D1713FB7595679FC67AD0327BF8106A3539D3687EDA61A5539431FA40A6
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/CA0F256060E65209AF070BAC893E42B63AAE0531BFE6354679C90C6C899B05B7
mircea_popescu: o look, even download button! nice.
asciilifeform: argh
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA0F256060E65209AF070BAC893E42B63AAE0531BFE6354679C90C6C899B05B7
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2A93A674E15C46814E2B5733308B772236EA323812156DB021CF803EEF67ABB4
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EDE99D8DFEDB1287EC9D90C4AB099EB4AB6DEA4E5409F623B9022B10383105EA
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F495A2C23B5647BBE02F3AD8A548519A7AF35F7D1E0655F80104F98D2EE10379
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AAA78361D40D0BD078B32D0D7E291073983C4B75EFB01A11DB42613A9FDCA701
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/38D8C16274C2705BBD0788E6F32200E8F7723E0A4B1F2531DDA046EECDA90FA8
asciilifeform: make all of'em.
asciilifeform: and to think, none of this was even on my original plate for today.
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: kudos to jurov for the generator.
asciilifeform: (modified version thereof pasted earlier.)
asciilifeform: nooow somebody gotta do the intel turds.
asciilifeform: and whatever other interesting fritz keys.
asciilifeform: ( does nvidia sign ? )
mircea_popescu: i think they do yea
asciilifeform: last i checked, they did not
asciilifeform: but that was in '12.
BingoBoingo: http://answers.angieslist.com/Landscaping-What-neighbors-drives-crazy-q31359.aspx << Unfiltered 'Muricana
BingoBoingo: "Recent refugee move-ins in our neighborhood are hacking up the beautiful trees in their yards with machetes. Sometimes it's just removing lower branches (although pine trees have been denuded up as much as 12 feet or more), but other times all branches are hacked off, leaving a 10-15-foot stub. Why can't they at least use hand saws? I feel so bad for the trees, and our neighborhood is starting to look like a disaster area. Why can't peo
BingoBoingo: ple who move into another culture look around and see the culture of the neighborhood? I asked one of them why, and they said that it's so they can get more sun to the ground so they can "farm" -- I understand this in the back yards, but why in the front? None of them are planting anything there! : (" << quite the gem
mircea_popescu: ahaha
mircea_popescu: i take it someone hasn't found out wife + both daughters are pregnant just yet.
asciilifeform: !!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/a4dq0/?raw=true
asciilifeform: ...
deedbot: accepted: 1
asciilifeform: aah.
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna get me an amazon gift cert for like a hundred ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course he has no idea about the daughters
shinohai: mircea_popescu: I can get you one by gyft ... only way I haz to get Amazon
mircea_popescu: i dunno what that means. what does it mean ?
shinohai: https://www.gyft.com/buy-gift-cards/
shinohai: but they take Bitcoin anyways so you don't need me unless it isn't available there
mircea_popescu: you ever used this thing before ?
mircea_popescu has once tried to pay via one of these scam aha, there it is, "create an account".
shinohai: Lots of times
mircea_popescu: i'm not using this shit.
mircea_popescu tried once to pay using one of these scam things, they put up the bill, received the bitcoin, then refused to actually pay the bill unless i "identify".
mircea_popescu: hurr durr.
shinohai: sfyl lol
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, they end up keeping like 20 bux or w/e it was.
shinohai is amazed at # of scammers that will put forth effort for $20 ... then of course I started Eulora
mircea_popescu: this pretended to be a payment processor, i dun recall which lessee here
BingoBoingo: ButtPay
BingoBoingo: Or CornButt
ben_vulpes: https://assets.toggl.com/images/toggl-how-to-save-the-princess-in-8-programming-languages.jpg
mircea_popescu: nah, it was one of the mainstream-ish processors.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i dun recall which one it i was and dun really have the patience to dig all the way. one of, admitting they're any different.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated lulz, https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rmumk/coincracks_first_deal_buy_thousands_of_twitter/
ben_vulpes: pretty incredible actually
ben_vulpes: buying followers for people is entertaining.
mircea_popescu: The CoinCrack team is made up of entrepreneurs, designers, developers, bloggers and social media gurus.
mircea_popescu: and in other very, very sads : On Intel based chipsets (since Intel 5 Series) the following binary components persist: Panic level: 9000+ Management Engine firmware: The management engine is a separate CPU that does various management tasks and needs its own firmware. This firmware exists in a 1.5MB and a 5MB version, where the latter provides the "Intel AMT" functions (ie. remote access, "anti-theft", ...). Probably signed w
mircea_popescu: ith an Intel key. It's unlikely that this is ever replaced by something open source. Firmware that runs on an ARC core inside the chipset. It runs entirely out-of-band with the main CPU. It has DMA access to the entire system memory and can access the networking adapters in a way transparent to the OS (separate MAC and IP)."
mircea_popescu: from https://www.coreboot.org/Binary_situation
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyoen going to the coreboot conference in berlin ?
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-432886.txt