BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, there was the offical rate proclaimed by Cristina, and then there was the Blue rate everyone actually traded at
BingoBoingo: Well, when Cristina got kicked out of the Pink house and into congress... Argentina started floating their currency
BingoBoingo: Return of the Blue dollar means they peg again and go back to fighting reality on this clearly lost front
BingoBoingo: And they'd be doing this with even less dollars in their hands than the last time they tried.
BingoBoingo: Well, Argentines are talking about the possibility that "Brasil quits Mercosur" instead of the far more likely "Argentina suspended from Mercosur" (Venezuela is the precedent in this case)
lobbes:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928256 << it is inconclusive if the eggogs are a result of the znc2tmsr converter, or the znc logs themselves. Now that I have your logotron pressed onto my cuntoo workstation, I aim to get some irssi #e logs and run them through diana_coman's irssi2tmsr converter, and then snarf that into your logotron to see if I also get barf.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 18:49:12 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, and more importantly ... if you have it published today to lookat it in 2029 you can ; and if not you... can not. and so on.
lobbes: well, I definitely saw some oddities in the raw logs on my end (as in, some of the problem lines had e.g. apostropies rendered as '?' when I viewed them through the 'more' command, for example)
lobbes: may be a better way to check bitrot, but I am pretty novice at this stuff
lobbes: lemme see if I can get a good example
lobbes makes note of hexdump -C
lobbes: of course, now I can't find the example haha. But okay, I'm going to go back and take another look with hexdump in-hand
lobbes: seems to be a saner method
lobbes: would be a good discovery in any case. at this point I just wanna know why/what it is specifically
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 4d 1h 3m
lobbesbot: Logged on 2015-08-26 20:04:33: <mircea_popescu> "Or in my case, re-write a cooking book. So ladies and gentlorans, I give you Foxy’s Euloran Cookbook V1.1,"
☟︎ lobbes: errr lobbesbot's readout. anyways I'll bbl as well
lobbes: asciilifeform: I mis-typed; I meant to say that *my own bot echoed* and it does not show in the log. (6 lines up from this line; from lobbesbot)
lobbes: anyways. bbl for real; sleep
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 22:50:21 asciilifeform: lobbes: it wouldn't astonish me if turns out that some particular combo of uniturds -- breaks py's uniturdism eater
a111: Logged on 2019-08-14 02:31 lobbesbot: Logged on 2015-08-26 20:04:33: <mircea_popescu> "Or in my case, re-write a cooking book. So ladies and gentlorans, I give you Foxy’s Euloran Cookbook V1.1,"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, looks like windowscode apostrophe, not unicode per se.
mp_en_viaje: this was discussed numerously, asdf has auto-magics to distinguish the various encodings.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, right, they're going to "alt-pay", which is a speshul argentina thing, and it totally isn't not-pay, it's pay. because they say, and if they say then fucking totally.
mp_en_viaje: fucktard. who THE FUCK is gonna give them rice for 20 years ? what "50% de nuestro sueldo" ? what the fuck nuestro, no hay nada que es argentino. 100% of everythng, and now.
mp_en_viaje: just fucking kill anything on the ground in argentina now and start over.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, $ echo "’"| xxd >0000000: e280 990a
mp_en_viaje: The characters 128-159 are not used in ISO 8859-1 and Unicode, the character sets of HTML. MS-Windows uses a superset of ANSI/ISO 8859-1, known to experts as "Code Page 1252 (CP1252)", a Microsoft-specific character set with additional characters in the 128-159 range (also known as the "C1" range).
mp_en_viaje: All the CP1252 characters are also available in Unicode. For example the CP1252 character 146 that you mentioned (RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK) has the Unicode number 8217, therefore you should use this number in order to conform to the HTML standard. Modern HTML browsers like Netscape 4.0 understand Unicode, and will automatically convert the Unicode character ’ back into the character 146 on MS-Windows machines, and into the appropriate ch
mp_en_viaje: The official CP1252<->Unicode conversion table is printed in the Unicode 2.0 standard for instance, and is available on <ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/pub/doc/ISO/charsets/> in the file ucs-map-cp1252. [See also the file ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDORS/MICSFT/WINDOWS/CP1252.TXT at the official Unicode site.]
mp_en_viaje: MS-Windows HTML-authoring software definitely should implement the conversion table below! Please forward this mail to the developers of your HTML authoring tool if this is currently done wrong.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 13:55:23 asciilifeform: i'm beginning to suspect that nginx, apache, etc. are intrinsically dead weight, when sat in front of a programmatic html shitter
mp_en_viaje: if you're not spitting out the filesystem, and don't need apache to run the infrastructure of whatever scripting language for you (ie, use python's native interpreter, or cl, bash w/e, rather than php) then you don't, strictly speaking, need it.
mp_en_viaje: otoh, apache is to my knowledge the only case of linux userland with useful threading implemented, debugged, and working. may be cheaper to piggyback on that subsystem than implement own threads, esp on the batshit insane anti-useful toybox that is linux.
mp_en_viaje: in general, fwis, it's ~always much better to do the "use apache for threading and fs-as-cache" model than anything else. but then again i'm not the hacker, don't let me keep you from your destiny.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, this "filter ddos" thing is pipe dream. either you got outside box to do it, or you're nto doing.
mp_en_viaje: "box is not doing, routerallah is doing", how shall i put this. there's no way to prevent a stampede as the guy being stampeded, it should be self-obvious
mp_en_viaje: nfi what you mean by "impedance mathc" either, it's an unusefully high level concept for this convo. if fs-is-my-cache and apache-workers items as they exist match your impedance, then yes it does. if they do not, then no it does not.
mp_en_viaje: but yes, this is the problem -- until and unless one ends up understanding how apache config works, one will not like it.
mp_en_viaje: (contrary to what naive nugget might be imagining, implementing threading on linux is not trivial ; and not even necessarily replicable by now.)
mp_en_viaje: in this context, a working equivalent to apache's workers.
mp_en_viaje: it's roughly your personal implementation of "getting a sepsis"
mp_en_viaje: in your case it'd be of the brain. wtf is wrong with you!
mp_en_viaje: you're approximately the equivalent of that one guy nobody heard of from the manhattan project who decided early on to re-design cars because his window crane nubbin kept falling off. "dude, they already have cars" "yes but they're not right" "we're doing something ELSE here!" "i can't get there, my car's window's nubbin keeps falling off"
mp_en_viaje: symbolics never in ~its entire life~... actually fucking strike that. all of mit cs lab, ALL OF IT, from csail onwards, never had a tenth of the fucking engineering man-hours that went into turning a patchy server into apache.
mp_en_viaje: you're proposing to re-do all that to shave a second offa some webapp you misconfigured somewhere ? gimme a break, put 1/1000000 that much time into talking to internet randos about pizarro, get 1000000x the benefits.
mp_en_viaje: we're seriously talking some heavy duty 1e12 orders of dampening magnitude here, how to take a trillion and make a tenth of a cent
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, it's right there, comparable with fucking space race and yes, pyramid.
mp_en_viaje: where the fuck is the dozen people six months original discussion anyway
mp_en_viaje spent the night up until ~now drinking with "psycho dolls", polish item, these chicks that do fireworks and stuff. girls picked them up right off street days ago.
mp_en_viaje: you have a much better chance of spending your night drinking with washington equivalent, local psycho dolls, through walking the street of wash dc randomly talking to people,
mp_en_viaje: than of producing "improved apache" through hacking on linuxbox
mp_en_viaje: and this even bearing in mind no such thing locally exists in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, ok so then, what's the problem with the obvious course : test some static html files, see if it has same problem, implement cache as discussed yest when time permits and be done with it.
mp_en_viaje: you never mentioned this ? did i miss some log parts ?
mp_en_viaje: did you actually look at some plain .html files being loaded ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 13:33:53 asciilifeform: so i still suspect it aint the pipe ( diana_coman lives at piz )
mp_en_viaje: ad, la cual cosa motiva a la competencia entre las empresas de este sector por la captación de clientela, intentando diferenciarse ofreciendo alternativas, precios o agregados." rank imbeciles are simply denoting FAST MOVING Consumer Goods.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 15:10:34 BingoBoingo: Las empresas de consumo masivo aumentan sus precios hasta 15% y el Gobierno evalúa qué hacer con "Precios Esenciales" << Headline across the river
mp_en_viaje: no fucking inkiling of an idea in their ferrous craniums that the ~moving~ is the point, nfi what overheads are, yakyakywak about "nos todos" and "social class" and whatever nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes but QoS and all that, port 80 is differently treated by routers, you're aware of this
mp_en_viaje: so do you have nginx configured as reverse proxy or why does it keep getting mentioned ?
mp_en_viaje: ill say ftr what while ~decade ago this was actually standard deployment, i've not been bothered to have it for a long time now
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you know, you can prolly get flask bind to 80 ?
mp_en_viaje: or you using multiple flasks for each of these
mp_en_viaje: fucking circus ropeshow you got going there...
mp_en_viaje: also stating ftr : if /me had designed this, it'd have been one single apache server, handling directories into which various cron-run pythons vomited whatever. not even port binding, comms through fs.
mp_en_viaje: dispose with flask dependency and all that.
mp_en_viaje: you know, apache has this built-in scripting language we won't name to run db queries.
mp_en_viaje: i like how it's "oh, mp is drunk". wth did i do!
mp_en_viaje: Flask is a lightweight WSGI web application framework. It is designed to make getting started quick and easy, with the ability to scale up to complex applications. It began as a simple wrapper around Werkzeug and Jinja and has become one of the most popular Python web application frameworks." << really makes me want to be sober, reading that thing.
mp_en_viaje: who wouldn;t want simple wrappers around werkjij and zeugya.
mp_en_viaje: or wait, i got them wrong didn't i. kunstjig and zugkammer ?
mp_en_viaje: since i exhausted him, i will now bark into the ethers (until someone wakes up), in the form of the following consumer computing likbez that we can all discuss once everyone else is sober -- im having second thoughts as to whether i ever want to be sober again.
mp_en_viaje: so, the only reason linux exists, let me restate that actually : THE ONLY FUCKING REASON LINUX EXISTS is the sheer coincidence that people got the lamp stack (read : linux, apache, mysql, php) going just in time for the september that never ended fallout.
mp_en_viaje: without this, all of linux (and all of the SMALLER foss, which piggy-backs on it, and always has, and always would have and forever would have had ; and certainly all of the even smaller and insignificant if more
organisedly-stupid GNU) would have forever stayed the exact equivalent of an obscure gentoo repackaging three kids maintain for purely self-actualisation & escapist reasons. [
http://trilema. mp_en_viaje: com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/][point in case example].
mp_en_viaje: i am aware various sysadmin-y folks flatter themselves that "something unixlike'd have existed anyway for our terminal&cmdline needs". this is utterly false, they'd have been clucking at GUI interfaces exactly like the medical profession / barristas everywhere, and been thankful when .jar finally rolled around.
mp_en_viaje: the 1990s "tech support" kiddo (perhaps best typified by
thorne, who is a faggoty "designer" ; though i'm aware everyone'd rather it be "BOFH" or whatever similar self-wank) running grep over everyone-workking-at-the-videostore's hoemdirs never had any say or pulled any weight. toxicfact or haetfact or whatever, fact stays fact.
mp_en_viaje: now then, linux ~could have~ also been the definitive video stack, giving itself a lease on life extending past ~now. but then
they fucked it all up.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-11-27 16:37:59 mircea_popescu: gnu managed to drive directx into the ground, on the strength of naive if well meaning contributors, and then managed to give the advantage back to windows, and snatch defeat from the very jaws of victory, on the strength of imbecile management.
mp_en_viaje: so, not to put too fine a point on it : i really don't give so much of a shit what peculiar buttdildos you use in your own special universe to make yourself feel "different from the rest", "poetic", "not understood" and whatever other such highschooler personal investments. the fact of the matter is, linux exists for and through and by and because apache, mysql, and the glue gluing these together : php. that's what it is, that's what it's for, th
mp_en_viaje: at's the doctrine and the standard solution and the "werkzeug"/kunstkammer of it.
mp_en_viaje: when you get a job with microsoft, you ~also~ buy the 90yo "representative" from iowa being "
senior" just as you buy the add treatment for your kids and the wood frame house in vinyl siding and "black culture" and everything else.
mp_en_viaje: i don't give a shit what you tell the orcs back home, or your crying inner 6yo at night or anything else -- buy the ticket, take the ride.
mp_en_viaje: yes, there's alternatives. of course there are. you don't have to coca cola, there's also pepsi. you like postgres more than mysql, well the fuck done, use that then. it'll be still used as an M in LAMP. because that's what the damned thing is, "flexibility" my ass.
mp_en_viaje: the fucking design of ~everything~ linux is always the same, and always this. divergence from this is neither clever nor ever functional, it'll always reduce to "i'm running LPyFFF because I don't understand why F has to come before the alt-P".
mp_en_viaje: yes, you can use "flask" instead of apache. it's shitty, they know is shitty, the reason they "dont recommend" you put it naked on #80 is precisely that they know it's shit.
mp_en_viaje: linux-server-database-scriptglue. that's what it's gonna be. call them what you will, but try and remember : buying "alternatives" doesn't make you alternative. i buy rope from the rope store and server from the apache store because i don't wanna pay 5x for shittier rope bought at the "special bdsm store". it dun do nothing for me.
mp_en_viaje: python/perl/whatever are not "better php". they might be more comfortable php, which is exactly like "i feel weird buying condoms otc, i really need a brown paper bag". fine, whatever works for you. don't tell me though stories about "the really cool store with the really better condoms". they're not better just because the clerk awkwardness-matches you and the SAME EXACT fmcg offering is proffered in an extra brown paper wrapper.
mp_en_viaje: and this nonsense then drives and is driven by the typically ustardian mode of failure, "we'll be rich by doing each other's laundry" "service economy" answer to the exact problem of argentina discussed above is then manifested in the "we'll just wrap everything in wrapping wrappy wrapers" "tech"/"innovation"/"entrepreneurial" nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: yes, guido von fucktard is going to "invent" a "
language to make programming easy for everyone", hurr. it's exactly as needed as a tin-foil-covered-kitchen-knife makes a great birthday present. yes, a bright 5yo / retarded 12yo might give you that for your birthday ; you may even briefly interact with it. it's still not a fucking thing --
mp_en_viaje: it's your knife, covered in some waste of your tin foil.
mp_en_viaje: then they're going to implement apache in php, because totally, this ~can~ be done. then they're going to have a lightweight apache to run their php and you're welcome to a) attempt to start three "servers" of this nonsense and b) wonder about the impedance mismatches.
mp_en_viaje: yet ~the thing that runs python~ is already apache. definitionally. it's a broken half-way implementation of apache, but this doesn't make it either lighter or better or faster or anything. doing half the job ain't being "agile", it's being costly in a hidden manner : someone somewhere downstream will have to implement what you left out at the proper level, and it'll be more expensive then.
mp_en_viaje: i get it, the concept grates, "but mp, i could design so much better systems" no you couldn't. the linux thing was successful ~coincidentally~. a space of possibilities was explored, and this is what STUCK. you can't design a better pile of nonsense for the exact reason you can't design a better elephant trunk : it wasn't fucking designed! it's what stuck!
mp_en_viaje: yes, i'm aware, if you made the giraffe it wouldn't have the laryngeal branch of the vagus go a mile around the heart. whopee for you, but do you know what ? galen was fucking aware this is happening in people too! it's called ~recurrent~ because it goes away and comes back, this is the case in all fucking mammals, equally "for no reason".
mp_en_viaje: it's not there because it was designed ; it's there because it was selected, which is a different thing. selection
produces things that work, definitionally, that's what it is. not well or correctly or properly but AT ALL.
mp_en_viaje: so, to conclude the whole discussion : designing-improvements-on-selected-systems might be the lulziest impedance mismatch of them all. the prime directive of the engineer is to first become aware of the selected portions of his environment, and then take care around them. yes, you can design things -- but only in well understood contexts. part of that understanding, ~central~ part of that understanding is awareness of the selected portions, what
mp_en_viaje: drove the selection, how it drove it, etcetera.
mp_en_viaje: ant to continue :
https://internet.com/ ; much like
IAC, QuinnStreet is a "S&P 600 Component", you know, with supposed revenue out of those shit "properties" and assorted other self-imagined bullshit.
believe.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 14:44 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546322 << this behavior has nothing to do with znc (unless you explicitly configured znc to recode your messages), it has to do with the fact that irc is encoding agnostic. used to be you had koi8-r only channels, or latin-1 only channels etc. now utf-8 is the "standard" but from back in those days you have a peculiar hack surviging in a lot of clients. everyone's expected to be able to read latin-1,
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 01:00:50 asciilifeform: phf's bot, incidentally,
ate. now would be a notbad time for the fella to come the hell out of his coma and say how.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 14:49 phf: but correct way of handling this in python, is to read() line by line, which returns whatever, ascii, then parse the [date] <nick> bits as ascii, then take the rest of line and try: msg.decode('utf-8') except: msg.decode('latin-1')
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:47:31 mp_en_viaje: i get it, the concept grates, "but mp, i could design so much better systems" no you couldn't. the linux thing was successful ~coincidentally~. a space of possibilities was explored, and this is what STUCK. you can't design a better pile of nonsense for the exact reason you can't design a better elephant trunk : it wasn't fucking designed! it's what stuck!
mp_en_viaje: so the idea is, somehow a better use for linux will be found ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:16:47 mp_en_viaje: the 1990s "tech support" kiddo (perhaps best typified by
thorne, who is a faggoty "designer" ; though i'm aware everyone'd rather it be "BOFH" or whatever similar self-wank) running grep over everyone-workking-at-the-videostore's hoemdirs never had any say or pulled any weight. toxicfact or haetfact or wha
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:13:51 mp_en_viaje: i am aware various sysadmin-y folks flatter themselves that "something unixlike'd have existed anyway for our terminal&cmdline needs". this is utterly false, they'd have been clucking at GUI interfaces exactly like the medical profession / barristas everywhere, and been thankful when .jar finally rolled around.
mp_en_viaje: this is also true, as a broad trend. it is unfortunate but true that the inept king prefers crossbowmen over archers, because archers take lifetime to train and dedication from puberty to craft, whereas crossbow can be operated by... outsourced labour. it takes a certain sort of short-sightedness to not notice the implicit band-of-brothers vs
your own nobles cutting down your own mercs snsabot: Logged on 2018-07-12 14:00:03 mircea_popescu: but do you recall the case of the misfortunate doria charge ?
mp_en_viaje: then again, when the king's qualified to king age 12... shortsightedness comes with the crown.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:21:21 mp_en_viaje: so, not to put too fine a point on it : i really don't give so much of a shit what peculiar buttdildos you use in your own special universe to make yourself feel "different from the rest", "poetic", "not understood" and whatever other such highschooler personal investments. the fact of the matter is, linux exists for and through and by and because apache, mysql, and the glue gluing these together : php. that's wha
mp_en_viaje: note that it does not start 1900. present and attested 1346
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, what about the hotmail purchase ?
mp_en_viaje: you should see the atrocity that is facebook, today's successor. works actually worse than hotmail of the hopeful microsoft days
mp_en_viaje: i'm hanging out with chicks yest, "oh, websites are dead" "what do you do if facebook decides one day fire refereences forbidden on its platform ?" "uhhh
mp_en_viaje: i don't even disagree with the broad model.
mp_en_viaje: but it didn't! is the important point. yes giraffe could have had trunk and elephant wings. COULD HAVE. DID NOT. major diff.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:18:36 mp_en_viaje: now then, linux ~could have~ also been the definitive video stack, giving itself a lease on life extending past ~now. but then
they fucked it all up.
mp_en_viaje: the fact that they, literally, snatched defeat from jaws of victory, makes one suspect maybe these coulds weaker than desired.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:12:26 mp_en_viaje: com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/][point in case example].
mp_en_viaje: though in fairness i should probably just fix my fucking client.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-02-18 17:29:22 asciilifeform: '... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field.'
mp_en_viaje: yeah, but probably correct approach is to have client not split such a line wrongly.
mp_en_viaje: the example doesn't, but i recall seeing some other client also take out chars yes.
mp_en_viaje: either that or he'd have gotten bored of it about the same time as he did irl, and dropped in the drawer.
mp_en_viaje: this is the problem with systems that don't scale : yes, if your airplane can't take off, not attempting to take of is "wise".
mp_en_viaje: but an item that is premised on not attempting to take off is not airplane/
mp_en_viaje: (private joke, re java license agreement, Mocky possibly appreciates)
mp_en_viaje: well, no/minimal net exposure also became very easy to achieve these days.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno about wwwtards! redditards i can see, but in the period between 93 and say digg days as the end, up to about 2010, having a website was rather a promise of sanity.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, seems like recurrent theme, tbh, not sure which piece
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:28:54 mp_en_viaje: linux-server-database-scriptglue. that's what it's gonna be. call them what you will, but try and remember : buying "alternatives" doesn't make you alternative. i buy rope from the rope store and server from the apache store because i don't wanna pay 5x for shittier rope bought at the "special bdsm store". it dun do nothing for me.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, btw, nice footer. i wonder how useful the random shooter will turn out
mp_en_viaje: billymg, i guess im stuck doing this, huh.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 03:18:36 mp_en_viaje: now then, linux ~could have~ also been the definitive video stack, giving itself a lease on life extending past ~now. but then
they fucked it all up.
billymg: mp_en_viaje: in theory we could write the tools that do what the heathen stack does, but i honestly think, given the intended purpose, it makes more sense to temporarily use them and then discard
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, nb article, i had even forgotten it!
mp_en_viaje: billymg, im actually working on a universal blog spec. it atm looks like
mp_en_viaje: ..header image, lowest layer, with title and byline superimposed, topmost layer.
mp_en_viaje: nfi if i'll manage to finish it or scrap it, but we see.
mp_en_viaje: im actually working [as per your orders] no less!
billymg: asciilifeform, mp_en_viaje: incidentally i recently stumbled upon that article myself and shared with pet -- was happy that she both understood it and enjoyed it
billymg: the delusion of infrastructure one
billymg finds himself attempting to curate items for pet to acclimate her to republic without overloading all at once
mp_en_viaje: most of my implements started life as... pet toys, at pet store. all sorta silicone beaters, ball launchers that are epic for hurt and so on
mp_en_viaje: some things, such as machined steel buttplugs, yes. some other things, holy hell no, shitty handcuffs with plastifur hotglued on sorta-kinda ?!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 12:29:47 mp_en_viaje: billymg, im actually working on a universal blog spec. it atm looks like
snsabot: Logged on 2016-06-19 23:21:04 mircea_popescu: I myself used a Hole Hawg to drill many holes through studs, which it did as a blender chops cabbage. I also used it to cut a few six-inch-diameter holes through an old lath-and-plaster ceiling. I chucked in a new hole saw, went up to the second story, reached down between the newly installed floor joists, and began to cut through the first-floor ceiling below. Where my homeowner's drill had labored and whined
mp_en_viaje: well you're supposed to put the missing lines in, neh ?
mp_en_viaje: yes, it will fuck log references, which is why you must not lose lines.
mp_en_viaje: there's no in between. logger must reflect channel. that's what it does.
mp_en_viaje: also neither here nor there. fix it, and then fix the references.
mp_en_viaje: yes, i want. it will diverge, but wtf can we do.
mp_en_viaje: ideally this is the last one of such little malfeasant bitchfailures, where logger goes on working but not right
a111: Logged on 2019-08-14 16:26 mp_en_viaje: i dunno that they're synced
a111: Logged on 2019-08-14 16:28 mp_en_viaje: more practically :
mp_en_viaje: a) put missing lines in b) bump all references accordingly.
mp_en_viaje: whoever doesn't like, can abstain from same-day referencing.
mp_en_viaje: (i suspect diff is because bv silently discards join/part spam, but indexes it)
billymg: asciilifeform: approved and replied, ty
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 12:34:04 mp_en_viaje: most of my implements started life as... pet toys, at pet store. all sorta silicone beaters, ball launchers that are epic for hurt and so on
mp_en_viaje: if i really manage to make the damn thing fit in a deck fo cards ima celebrate.
mp_en_viaje: now consider this matter from the other pov.
mp_en_viaje: this being not theoretical wank but actual lived history.
mp_en_viaje: for long time mp was always-on, ran private multiple redundant loggers, etc. then mp went traveling, explicitly.
mp_en_viaje: and in month 4 or so of this traveling, where in other words mp was relying on other people to establish for him what is log, mp threw up because could not obtain a copy he could trust to scream at mod6 on good basis rather than on weak basis.
mp_en_viaje: this is what precipitated the aug 2 darkness.
mp_en_viaje: now -- i did not do this because i was bored or lacking for activity. i did it because imo it's very constructive.
mp_en_viaje: i do not believe such a thing as ~a~ cannonical copy may exist.
mp_en_viaje: the costs to defend / benefits to attack mount exponentially, it is not a stable design.
mp_en_viaje: in my mind, the process works through -- everyone, mp included, has to make ~a judgement~, their own judgement, at any given point, re the logs.
mp_en_viaje: which is why "logging monopoly" was listed with the "sadness" in the possible outcomes list.
mp_en_viaje: if it were joyous i'd havejust done it, you know ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes, but hard to like-phf when actually communicating things, on one hand. and on the other, hopefully multiple of these.
mp_en_viaje: and not ~merely~ multiple as nude existence. nude as reflective process, people keeping track of them.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i mean deeper, like x going "hey y, why is your logger divergent from z's in k spot"
mp_en_viaje: this is kinda-sorta where my "add logger to mp-wp pages" thing goes towards. conceivably one could have a reconcillation process as part of one's blog
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, in principle, yes. historically i kept discouraging you personally from making logger because to my (admittedly -- naive) mind it was task perfectly suited to ambitious youth
mp_en_viaje: i am hoping the cp1252 bs is the last of the nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: your fleet of flasks though, that's unstable, and will likely blow up in future imo, but that's another time.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, your idea is "what happens if logger netsplit" ? could we revisit this after 2-3 actual resplits ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 11:27:26 asciilifeform: diana_coman: atm i'm somewhat curious whether the logotron is even reproducible
mp_en_viaje: but my reasoning is (and was, trhoughout), "well, let's see then"
mp_en_viaje: i expect large portions of lobbesbot actually salvageable ; spyked was making a lisp one too iirc.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 13:41:36 asciilifeform: i'd like to avoid the situation where ' asciilifeform fixed on best-effort basis, and 1 time breaks leg' and then like phf.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 13:42:26 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes, but hard to like-phf when actually communicating things, on one hand. and on the other, hopefully multiple of these.
mp_en_viaje: da fuck can we do. contrary to popular fiction, i dun have any reality-altering regalia.
mp_en_viaje: can sometimes alter minds, and more rarely the future. but the past...
mp_en_viaje: well, so far the algo is, let it die 2-3 times and we see then.
mp_en_viaje: and dun let the (understandable) anxiety of it eat your brain. we shall figure it out, on the basis of meeting it irl.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 13:45:17 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, in principle, yes. historically i kept discouraging you personally from making logger because to my (admittedly -- naive) mind it was task perfectly suited to ambitious youth
phf:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-14#1928700 << in general this hasn't happened to a111 (though i don't have full netsplit coverage, since that requires a bot per all the possible servers we are connected to), i've described the solution in logs, though i can't find it now. when a111 falls over, on reconnect it asks the znc machine to give it all the messages since the timestamp of last known message (+3 hours to
phf: accommodate drift). the messages are then merged into the log (i.e. i find the overlap of known messages, and then add the missing messages). since both znc and a111 tend to be fairly stable, the combination of the two provided adequate coverage
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 13:14:01 asciilifeform: this horror aint even rare exception, but as i understand has happened to each logger to date when 1) bot fell 2) folx continued to speak 3) bot stood up . i'd like to devise a deterministic algo for wat-do in such cases, they will repeat for so long as we inhabit fleanode
phf: just one, this provided enough redundancy, but also allowed for a trivial merge algorithm. i suspect with multiple znc you'll have to work harder to discover consensus
phf: also znc is incidental, i have a trivial flask (or maybe "bottle") server that parses znc logs and gives the result out in the log-format
phf: this is basically the same as your special endpoint for giving out the 500 log messages
phf: asciilifeform: well i gave you timeframe, it's easy for me to provide a few hints right now, significantly harder to unwrap a ball of yarn
diana_alt: hello from Vilnius, /me slowly catches up with the logs
snsabot: Logged on 2019-05-18 02:05:52 mp_en_viaje: because it takes a certain dose of insanity to think the equation you solved was the equation that was being presented. you recall that episone in married with children when christina applegate was saving cereal box K's to buy car ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 04:22:13 mp_en_viaje: ant to continue :
https://internet.com/ ; much like
IAC, QuinnStreet is a "S&P 600 Component", you know, with supposed revenue out of those shit "properties" and assorted other self-imagined bullshit.
believe.
mp_en_viaje: fancy that, could've put it right back on the street, ban anyone who ~never~ published any cunt instead.
BingoBoingo: Seriously. I suspect the fact you might have actually bought it if they solicited bids is why the details are undisclosed
BingoBoingo: Forbes is Derping English about how "Argentina won't become Venezuela" even though Argentina is entering this crisis with even less to offer than Venezuela ever had (at least after burning mineral oils for energy became a thing).
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, not to mention venezuelan chicks fuckable in the first place.
BingoBoingo: Indeed. They also speak more clearly and more kitchen competent.
mp_en_viaje: anyways... that tumblr thing... keks of all time.
mp_en_viaje: same dumb cunts, except esl rather than rsl.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 18:46:25 mp_en_viaje: and automattic paid in
kelly bundy money. hey dorks... you could've hit me up, the half bitcoin or w/e you actually got for the "
valuable online property" is not so hard to match for the actual billionaires in this world.
mp_en_viaje: nfi that i would. but potentially, as i said, to ban anyone who didn't post tits.
mp_en_viaje: eh, what's pron traffic anymore, a buck per thousand clicks ? if half those pageviews are real there you go, 200k/month or so.
mp_en_viaje: nah, different ends. these 200k are ~equivalent of rounding up 100k girlies in india / rwanda refugee camp etc.
mp_en_viaje: "any blowjob $2" "why would i want to stick my cock in this ?" "$2!!!"
mp_en_viaje: supposedly someone slipped her a mickey ~and sodomized her~ during madonna's 1991 tour.
mp_en_viaje: no, digg kept getting spun and respun, slashdot got bought by some spammer outfit that promptly went to shit.
BingoBoingo: Automattic lives because it proliferates USG DDoS hazard
mp_en_viaje: digg ~still~
pretends to relevancy, to this very day. their claim just as good at any point throughout as reddit's, actually. just... no note from hitler, meaning pravda dun ever mention digg with the pomp & implication it mentions reddit
BingoBoingo: They charge ~100 bucks a year for "use own domain with wordpress.com blog" or something like that
mp_en_viaje: reddit emptied out once they turned on their pedo constituency to gain approval from the oldcunt lobby.
mp_en_viaje: well, reddit couldn't have emptied at same time as it ~didn't exist back then. but still, they did their best and 2012ish or so i think it was ?
mp_en_viaje: this is like saying internet peaked in 1992. sure, by any other criterion than whatever they actually use.
mp_en_viaje: that;s the other thign re tumblr : it likely costs 1-2mn/month to run as it is. could prolly be ran for 1-200k, but
as you point out, not by esltards.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-06-16 11:06:11 asciilifeform: if bought from usg, yes, million
snsabot: Logged on 2017-02-18 22:54:14 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
mp_en_viaje: imagine that lulz. and they got... a lamp.