tmsr - Log 2019-02-23

BingoBoingo: http://archive.is/Cb06Q << 12 arrests over 72 grams of drugs during an incursion by Uruguayan police into the separatist republic of Cerro

asciilifeform: oh hey wb mircea_popescu

a111: Logged on 2019-02-21 17:01 asciilifeform: loox potentially interesting tho. bvt didja try it ?

mircea_popescu has spent the past two days @world's largest hotsprings, horseback riding etc, is now looser than an amateur's synapse.

asciilifeform: sounds like a++ day off from us glued-to-terminal snoarpeoples

asciilifeform spend 2d digging in tcc and a (sad) attempt at crystallography

mircea_popescu: also guile is an unmitigated (and unmitigatable) piece of shit, if memory serves

asciilifeform: it is ! it's the turd the gimp folx replaced ye olde tinyscheme with

asciilifeform: ( tinyscheme also pretty crufty but at least ~small~ )

asciilifeform: well mine does. but i built in 2011

asciilifeform: nfi re nao

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-21#1898554 << afaik was "desired" by the pantsuit core + amateur enablers starting maybe then, but that desire only became factual with 5 branch. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-21 17:11 asciilifeform: ^ is this troo ? cuz if yes, possibly we're on the 'wrong' gnat..

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my dig confirms

asciilifeform: did not find any hard-dependency on cpp in 4.9 other than when it builds cpp standard lib

asciilifeform realizes that he never actually tried to build a gcc w/out cppism support. this really gotta be tried

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-21#1898560 << http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22suckless%22 turns out ~little and there's apparently no mention ever on trilema, yet it's firmly classified under cat-v in my head. wtf happened here, did we ever say hi or anything ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-21 17:18 bvt: i have also seen a one guy at suckless complaining about this back in the day: https://lists.suckless.org/dev/1605/28871.html

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc 'suckless' == cat-v

asciilifeform: was their proj title

asciilifeform: nope, it's the item mircea_popescu did full postmortem on, linked above

mircea_popescu: stepped in something awful's wide open jaw with both feet, all i got in return was an "oww!!!" and so on.

mircea_popescu: there's really a lengthy list of these, "o noes, someone's fundamentally not as fucked in the head as us ?! O GOD SAVE US FROM SUCH HORRORS!!!"

asciilifeform: one might naively picture heathens would jump at 'i bring martian tech and +9000 strength of will' etc. but nope. 'we built a++ straw plane, cargo when'

mircea_popescu: actually, do you recall those "business" imbeciles discussing "the superior alternative to phuctor" and "what to do in case of divorce" roth-blabla in the same breath ?

asciilifeform: most recently in july iirc

asciilifeform: 'mit phuctor'

mircea_popescu: was some other pos with some retard defending it in the usual terms of "not nice words" or some similar bs. aaanyways.

asciilifeform: aa that was in the catv dig

asciilifeform: didn't make it into the piece, but was in the chan

asciilifeform remembers this purely from head, but prolly there's a log somewhere

mircea_popescu: hmmm... i dun think so tbh, was a DIFFERENT set of these equally indistinguishable amateur shitheads.

asciilifeform: hrm. was definitely summer of '17 tho

mircea_popescu: you recall, dude had meltdown over how his brain can't function with "fuckgoats" the string being involved.

asciilifeform recalls also pete_d's attempts to sell a 'rebrand' of fuckgoats somewhere

a111: Logged on 2019-02-22 13:58 spyked: re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-18#1897845 : I obtained a ascii-text-only copy of the gutenberg.org archive and it weighs ~18GB; lzma'ed archive of the same is 4.2GB, will post a link in the following days

a111: Logged on 2019-02-22 16:32 asciilifeform: in other hilarities, usg 'humanitarian convoy' set to break through vz border some time this weekend

asciilifeform: same algo since, when, korean war, they have this 1 broken record.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: guiado 'requested aid'; maduro banned 'aid' from border; the open q is, will shoot or not

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: supposedly whole usg orchestra, inc rooftop sniper brigade, already in colombia waiting for marching order

asciilifeform: wtf even ~is~ in nicaragua other than 'don bigote, no mata el perro!'

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Artisinal gold mining is a thing in Vzla. Typical haul of an artisan gold op there is 10 grams of gold per man-month

asciilifeform: klondike, eh

BingoBoingo: I've been waiting to drop that factlet into a blog, but there it is. One man month of hard if not particularly efficient work ~500-600 a month

asciilifeform: typical ex-sovok chip recycler nets similar

asciilifeform: (without even having to sweat on equator)

asciilifeform: e.g. the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896836 thing, iirc contains no fewer than 3g ~per~ ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 23:52 asciilifeform: in ru there are some decent microscopists ( not the 1 phf went to, but apparently others. ) for instance, very recently found that К1801 ( sovok 'pdp-11' single-chip ) was ~not~ in fact a photoclone of dec's (only the early '80s demo ver was!) but , turns out, entirely indigenous orc design, with coupla x ~fewer~ transistors and yet faster max clock

asciilifeform: (this is why they're rare -- and not because asciilifeform bought'em all)

BingoBoingo: A large part of what makes Vzla relatively VERY rich is... anti-malarials are a relatively recent invention

asciilifeform: i suppose notion is, that they will soon, for chance at ticket to miami mecca

asciilifeform: and under whip of 'humanitarian experts'

asciilifeform: i have nfi what was in the vhs propaganda tapes baked for south amer orcs, i only saw the ones for sovok

asciilifeform: but evidently it worx

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yer vz chix still sitting in warsawghetto^H^H^H^H^Hvz suburb , with grandmother , or wat

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: She's still holed up with mom, the two dogs, cat, and six car garage

BingoBoingo: Meanwhile the Peruana lost interest in New York when I point out "Hace Calor" outside at 32 degrees, "Hace Frio" inside at 24 degrees, and snow doesn't become possible until the number of degrees is less than zero

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-22#1898584 << speaking of, you know TO THIS DAY they're lying to schoolchildren about lusitania content ? "we started ww1 through packing munitions in what we falsely called a civillian ship" still "unhappened" etc ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-22 16:33 asciilifeform: ( i.e. coupla-km column of trucks fulla ak & ammo )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i got 1 better, in ameri-schooling they still peddle w. r. hearst's fiction re 'the maine'

asciilifeform: ( not even to speak of kr, vietnam, etc. identical replay of algo )

asciilifeform: !#s kick the dog then shoot

BingoBoingo: Colon Powell is still a major player in that young adult novel I started in 2010 when I lacked to experience to rightly attempt such a thing

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520455 << subj ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-08-13 14:20 asciilifeform: 'kick the dog till it bites, then shoot it' is standard anglo approach, from boer war, to ww2 japan, to every poor motherfucker like the one in link

mircea_popescu: the "kicking", and increasingly more the "shooting" happening principally in the self-aimed navel-grazing devices.,

mircea_popescu: i can't recall the last time the eventual outcome had much to do with the us, tbh. i mean, syria obviously entirely unrelated to any usg claim to agency. but it's not clear their last victory did anything meaningful to iraq ; certainly never budged either korea or vietnam. the euros are exactly where they'd have been had germany won ww2. and so following.

mircea_popescu: the last conflict with clear us agency would be the redskin elimination, i guess.

BingoBoingo: I dunno that the redskins were eliminated so much as interbred with the imported german slaves to the point of disappearing

BingoBoingo: Men died honorably in combat/gutter, women left to breed with the other chattle

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz, "Guix---like other GNU/Linux distributions---is traditionally bootstrapped from a set of bootstrap binaries: Bourne shell, command-line tools provided by GNU Coreutils, Awk, Findutils, sed, and grep and Guile, GCC, Binutils, and the GNU C Library. Usually, these bootstrap binaries are "taken for granted." Taking these binaries for granted means that we consider them to be a correct and trustworthy see

mircea_popescu: d for building the complete system. Therein lies a problem: the current combined size of these bootstrap binaries is about 250MB . Auditing or even inspecting these is next to impossible. For i686-linux and x86_64-linux, GuixSD now features a "Reduced Binary Seed" bootstrap (see the wip-bootstrap branch). We would like to say: "Full Source Bootstrap" and while we are working towards that goal it would be hyperbole to use that

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a coupla of these 'going' atm

mircea_popescu: not only i will negrate anyone who in any way participates in that shameless shitsoup, starting with janneke moron, but eventually also shoot them.

asciilifeform: sorta like the various prb

mircea_popescu: yaya, "If you're into social media, you can follow me on mastodon" etcetera, of course.

mircea_popescu: in any case, the ownership of this entire thing is clearly established, and entirely nobody the fuck else outside of properly authorized republican hands may fucking touch it. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: let the morons/amateurs/menalone/etcetera crop stick to "freelancing", making websites, iphone apps and the rest of the cattle-adequate activities.

mircea_popescu: in case somehow http://trilema.com/2018/the-republic-without-mp/#selection-165.23-165.95 or "Rustics you were and rustics you stay" or etcetera didn't quite make the point plain enough.

asciilifeform: lol cock inductor

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect the tards have nfi what is or could be 'sane stack' even if it bit'em. comical to watch, rather like a nigerian forger who dun know what colour benjie is even supposed to be

BingoBoingo: Honestly, being here it took me a while to get used to that slighly different color the new benjis have that good old Jackson's don't

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc the new ones aint even magnetic anymoar

BingoBoingo suspects Paraguay calling out bad series of benjis is what got them on US shitlist this century (as opposed to other times they got on US shitlist)

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have yet to find an abitab clerk making 12,000-18,000 pesos a month that studies the details of benjis in the way they study 1000 and 2000 pesos notes to make sure they aren't secretly Argentine pesos

BingoBoingo: Studying the quadruple digit peso bills is standard procedure for any cashier when you are a new face. Studying the benjis... not so much

asciilifeform: whothefuck forges orc scrip

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Orcs? But the inspection appears to be less about forgery and more... Argentine and Uruguayo bills look alike in the high denominations

BingoBoingo: High denominations being rougly 30 and 60 USD on the Uruguay side and 15 and 30 USD on the Argentine side

asciilifeform: hanbot: got it. reminds me of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-09#1870372 , very similar . ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-09 14:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu do you know this fella ? http://dan.corlan.net 'Alexandru-Dan Corlan, MD, PhD' 'stochastic models of patient evolution and pharmacologic response' 'high performance computing and programming in R, Ada and CommonLisp'

asciilifeform will have to sleep on hanbot's q; bbl

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: loox pretty good imho

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, this shit's hysterical. dja know what the anointed moron/official gnu eromenos' response to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-21#1898532 was ? "they're impossible to grep for because you don't know how to use grep." ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-21 03:05 mircea_popescu: There were functions named g() and o() <<< bwahahaha.

asciilifeform: ( 1 nitpick -- no bolix xrays yet, only target practice ; still waitin' for crate of largeformat film to show up )

mircea_popescu: "I do not trust Grischka's technical judgement, his committment to the project (I put way more time into my fork than he's put into the official version), his leadership abilities, or his organizational skills. I spent three years of my life improving this project (not just coding but documentation and testing and design and so on), and the result was esentially discarded at the whim of somebody who DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I W

mircea_popescu: AS DOING. The fact the rest of you are now finally realizing that some of the problems I already solved years ago were, in fact, real issues, is mildly amusing to me in a morbid way. If you have competent developers on this lsit you don't NEED my patches, you can figure out how to do it from the _idea_ in a couple hours." << there, as good an epitaph FOSS could ever get.

asciilifeform: really rms's lmi wars replay

mircea_popescu: "we've managed to burn 20 years worldwime and in excess of 10k engineer man-years to reproduce an ad-hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of corporate land".

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or that time they got directx on its knees and then went ahead and gave opengl back.

mircea_popescu: and "cooperation". ALLLLLLLL trhe fucking problems of naive socialism, ALLLLL of them.

mircea_popescu: because, obviously, in moron's eyes the problem wasn't socialism to begin with. i mean, mussolini tried, just didn't do it right. then hitler didn't do it right. stalin showed him how, but sadly also didn't do it right. but it's ok, roosevelt showed them how. and mao and trotsky and eventually rms.

mircea_popescu: the problem's all these people who keep not getting it right, see. the problem with socialism is insufficient socialism!!!

asciilifeform: mega-'cooperation', these folx fight like two cannibals on lifeboat when given half a chance

asciilifeform: pretty sure the fsf folx still host the (last?) remaining cvs repos tho.

mircea_popescu: "Welcome to Savannah, the software forge for people committed to free software:", but i'm not gonna link it. because fucking misnomers.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phunphakt, in '07 asciilifeform naively tried to get a repo hosted there. was ~turned down~

asciilifeform: cuz not fsfy enuff, or sumthing.

mircea_popescu: "Latest News IP Address Changes posted by rwp, Thu 20 Dec 2018 08:53:05 PM UTC - 0 replies Mercurial hg moved to new server posted by agn, Thu 12 Jan 2017 03:07:50 PM UTC - 0 replies Bazaar bzr moved to new server posted by agn, Tue 10 Jan 2017 03:33:35 AM UTC - 0 replies"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform probably because "Savannah has high project approval requirements and thus visitors can expect freedom-related qualities from projects hosted here (such as no proprietary dependencies). Moreover, there are no advertisements, thus you do not run the risk of getting an ad for a proprietary competitor on your project page."

mircea_popescu: you see, THIS is what i'm fucking worried about, getting an add for a "proprietary competitor". cuz that's what we're fucking doing here.

mircea_popescu: what the fuck must be going in through their skulls to view "advertisement spend from proprietary competitor on my page" as anything but a) a great lul and b) hey, nice, i'll be sure to buy more dog toys for the bitches out of THEIR MONEY

asciilifeform: also gotta luvv how e.g. '3MB of autoconfolade' is somehow considered 'fleadom-related quality'

mircea_popescu: anyway, since for some inconceivable reason we're doing archeology in dung, here, the lulzy valinux-fsf moment : https://fsfe.org/news/2001/article2001-10-20-01.en.html

asciilifeform: valinux << iirc esr's warcrime

mircea_popescu: they have SUCH a fucking ridiculous, fucking obvious, structurally-stable passive-aggressive approach to things, jesus god. one can literally identify, tag and mark the invidious bernie sandals socialist by this his most peculiar approach to conflict and social hierarchy.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so they were using a logotron made by someone not in the l1, big whoop. (then you realise they apparently HAD NO IDEA this is what they're doing, or what a l1 even is -- suddenly the "big whoop" turns to "wtf is wrong with these idiots")

asciilifeform: they dun seem to have any capacity to learn from obv mistakes, either -- witness how literally same scenario replayed with linus

asciilifeform: ( the 'bitkeeper' debacle )

mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose one could use the item linked as a compare/contrast with http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-28#1440673 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-03-28 13:11 mircea_popescu: upon consideration, i see no reason to continue supporting or otherwise encourage kakobrekla's bizarre worldview. on the contrary, i view further involvement with the nonsense as considerable moral hazard, and a miserable thing to do altogether.

asciilifeform: arguably even the slow nintendoization of pc arch, squeezing out 1st 'load own bios' then 'load own kernel', is macroscale instance of same thing. rms rejected 'make own iron' in 1980s, today the chickens come home to roost, and the response of the gnutards is afaik ~100% denial games

mircea_popescu: it should be instructive exactly ~how~ ers's warcrime as you (with cause) call it made its way into rms's naive ranch of cattle purity : "SourceForge brought to Free Software a unified and standard development methodology based on modern tools. Before SourceForge, such tools (bug tracking, cvs, web, support, forums, polls, news, etc.) were available individually, but few developers used many of them together, because they had

mircea_popescu: to set up the combined facilities on their own. SourceForge made the combination conveniently available for both new and experienced developers. "

mircea_popescu: now why exactly this does NOT read "it is here because ~I FAILED~ to signal correctly and in order" is anyone's guess.

mircea_popescu: but let it be said that the ~actual~ reason all these bernie sandals tards pretend all the shit they pretend about equality and authority is precisely this fear : that the flow of events may bring them to this position where they did something wrong.

mircea_popescu: they love the whatever, "world", "cosmos", whatever it is, and dun wanna hurt it. and they figure if they don't exist, can't hurt it. and so will studiously avoid saying "~I~ forbid you from X", not because "they believe in equality" or "it's impolite" or "other's freedom" or any such bs. the driving force is simply that IF you say "i order/forbid you" then therefore you CAN end up in the situation whereby "you forbade me and

asciilifeform: 'mice-be-gone exterminator corp. brought our mouse kingdom a unified and standard cheese distribution methodology based on modern tools. before the mousetraps were installed, such tools were available individually, we had to scour the kitchen manually for crumbs of cheese, but few mice used'em, because they had to set up.... ...mice-be-gone made the combination conveniently available for both larval and experienced mice...'

asciilifeform: cuz some people apparently dumber than mouse..

mircea_popescu: WHY did not rms say "you MUST unify the toolchain" at such a time as ~before~ ers could step in to do it for his usual expectation of a coversion gain ?

asciilifeform: he attempted this -- 'hurd'. but was unable to commission a working kernel.

asciilifeform: so whole thing went as spoils of war to the next set of tards, under linus

mircea_popescu: you know, the items discussed, "efore SourceForge, such tools (bug tracking, cvs, web, support, forums, polls, news, etc.) were available individually, but few developers used many of them together"

asciilifeform: iirc at the time hosting cost actual moneys. and the gnutards were short.

mircea_popescu: get the fuck out of here. in adult world there's such a thing as "this tall to ride".

asciilifeform: i dun think rms & co were ever 'this tall'. relied just about from day 1 on 'reasonable' cooperation with enemy, to have any money at all.

asciilifeform: these particular mice i dun think ever ate one single crumb of cheese that wasn't from a mousetrap.

mircea_popescu: the choice is strictly between mp-esque http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855672 and rms-esque herp-derp-mumble-mumble. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:35 mircea_popescu: but as far as the foundation is concerned -- if all it does (ALL IT DOES!!!) is stand up to tell me "oh, we can't follow the keccak because reasons" ima put an end to it in short order.

mircea_popescu: the foregoing has the disadvantage a very good man is still smarting from it ; the latter however IS FUCKEN POISON.

mircea_popescu: so, where's all the rms "hey folks, make blogs, rms-wp is over there", is what i wish to know.

asciilifeform: what else to expect when commander is 'human mushroom'

mircea_popescu: meets future wife on bus, doesn't go over (BECAUSE HAS OPTION NOT TO, SEE ???), never meets her again.

asciilifeform brb,tea

mircea_popescu: "Because of the convenience of SourceForge, many Free Software developers have come to take this collection of features for granted, and would be reluctant to go back to the old way of doing things. Unfortunately, this means that when SourceForge itself takes a turn for the worse, it tends to pull Free Software developers down with it. "

mircea_popescu: fucking beautiful. "it turns out we weren't about anything in particular, so when convenience rears its ugly head..."

mircea_popescu: anyway, for thread completeness : "In 1993, Augustin founded VA Research (later VA Linux and Geeknet), while a Ph.D. student at Stanford. Augustin was a Stanford colleague of Jerry Yang and David Filo, the founders of Yahoo!. Filo and Yang introduced Augustin to Sequoia Capital, which provided Augustin with venture capital. In November 1999, he launched SourceForge, a collaborative development environment or "forge". On Decem

mircea_popescu: ber 9, 1999, during the dot-com bubble, VA Linux became a public company via an initial public offering and Augustin, then 38-years old, became a billionaire on paper. In August 2002, Augustin left VA Linux and from September 2002 to December 2004, he was a partner at Azure Capital Partners, where he helped lead Azure’s investments in Zend Technologies and Medsphere. In 2005, Augustin joined the board of directors of SugarC

mircea_popescu: RM and in May 2009, Augustin was appointed as the chief executive officer."

mircea_popescu: "The move to non-free software was the culmination of a series of steps designed to lock users in. There never was a way to fully extract projects from SourceForge [and I never said anything about this because I, rms, am a moron unfit to lead a L-shaped ambush, let alone an entire world], but efforts were made in this direction--then this year they were removed. At present the only things you can get are the CVS tree and trac

mircea_popescu: ker data /export/sf_tracker_export.php. Few people are aware of the later because it is undocumented. The export page explains how to use scripts that don't exist anymore; implementation of facilities to ease project extraction was stopped. The developer community is exclusively made of VA Linux employees and a few people who are asked not to disclose the current code [and I didn't declare this a strategic objective, nor fill

mircea_popescu: ed it with real people, but instead permitted a buncha weasels to run with it, not even under the supervision and signature of an established lord, because my mother dropped me repeatedly on hard floors during breastfeeding]."

mircea_popescu: and so fucking following until we fall the fuck over, how can this dork live with himself.

a111: Logged on 2019-02-23 15:18 mircea_popescu: hanbot asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iloUK/?raw=true

mircea_popescu: "Some months ago I helped to launch Savannah for the GNU project because I felt the need of a collaboratively run platform. With friends and co-developpers we are now re-writing and packaging distributed development hosting software. The idea is to be able to install and operate a SourceForge-like site within hours. Savannah will run this software at the end of this year. At first it may have less functionality than SourceFor

mircea_popescu: ge, but it has a bright future because it is rooted in a cooperative effort of people sharing Free Software. "

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in this light, the current (yes, still exists...) zombie of soresforge, where mostly hosted winblows .exe , and scriptically-infested with $trojan-of-the-day on ea. download, aint much of surprise

mircea_popescu: somehow the lesson that "anomie-freedom's worse than ANY KIND of slavery" still unlearned, 20 years later. "why did savannah fail ?" "dunno" "but you said somethings about it, dorky. where's the review of them ?" "not me!"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course. and yet IT STILL DID BETTER than fucking "savannah", the cvs pharmacy in 31401 georgia.

asciilifeform: the mice dun learn either, witness the mass-migration to shithub ( ~exactly same thing, but with moar printolade to prop it up )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-28#1890452 << oblig recent shithub lulz ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-01-28 18:01 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in copyrasty lulz: https://archive.is/wpwpo << ms-shithub posts dmca wank publicly nao ; this one's against a linuxkernelism. ( https://github.com/github/dmca << moar of these than anyone could ever stomach , some quite lulzy )

mircea_popescu: menalone, a very expensive bioengineering project aiming to emulate two ounce mice in 200lb hominid hardware.

asciilifeform: i thought 'man alone'(tm) were crackpot who hosts on hand-turned html on box in cellar, crafting perpetuum mobiles an' squaring circles

asciilifeform: redditard is imho separate species, very much hive insect, anyffin but 'alone'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the lulziest thing is how all these born-in-65-foss-blabla tards end up ALWAYS on the fucking forefront and speartip of usg.blue isms.

mircea_popescu: o, you guessed it!!! "securedrop, for to journalists wanting to wikileaks"

asciilifeform: afaik rms is best-known example of this, his www is fulla 'free palestine' etc

mircea_popescu: if the "there really wasn't anything there to begin with" was at all controversial, such banal yet obvious yet disavowed matters would sink it anyway.

mircea_popescu: "what, is it pure coincidence all inca's boydaughters run about doing inca's will ???"

asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu has this piece , where rms as lev trotsky, 'troo left believer' surrounded by the usual swarm of cynical grifters who inevitably come to put proboscis into 'troo believer' as surely as flies to shit ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i mean, understand this fucking nonsense : on the very savannah gnu org/maintenance/WhyChooseSavannah/ page they list "Gna!: http://gna.org/ - philosophically compatible with Savannah, run independently by other people; located in France" ; this is there BECAUSE his lordship loic the schmuck is doing it.

asciilifeform: lolwat, i thought were 'gnaa', i.e. 'gay nigger assoc. of amer.'

mircea_popescu: but they don't say "by his lordship's authority, gna". they say "phylosophycally!!!!" which is a keyword with these functionally iliterate morons, and it's a keyword for specifically "this is where real republic instrument would go, if it existed as it does but we heretically deny"

mircea_popescu: anyway, it's just... they EVEN HAVE THE HOLE WHERE THE GEMS WOULD GO. everything, everything, except not making it work.

mircea_popescu: what ~the fuck~ prevented them from saying "loic has the autority to make an alt-logger, fuck your mother." ?

asciilifeform: and it aint even that rms explicitly rejected fuhrerprinzip -- witness his (successful) keeping-gcc-stupid by decree

mircea_popescu: cuz obviously, they still jack off under covers. they just do it amateurish-poorly.

asciilifeform: d00d was entirely happy to exercise authority . simply not to any sane end, but as strictly reflex to butthurts, 1:1.

asciilifeform: quite 'effectual', turns out, simply not to any effect you'd want.

mircea_popescu: (linux weekly news being the qntra of 20 years ago, except much the fuck shittier, in no small part because fucking retarded editorial team)

asciilifeform: 'To that end, the compromise may actually be a good thing in the long run. Kuhn said that they have contacted the CVS maintainers and have offered to pay for development of features that would allow GPG signing of commits through CVS -- making it much more difficult for changes to be inserted unnoticed into code held in a CVS repository. He said that they have also contacted the GNU Arch maintainer about adding GPG signing. Though it

asciilifeform: may take some time to develop, the addition of GPG signing to commits would be a welcome feature.' << afaik to this very day no such thing in opensoresdom (outside of linus's releases)

mircea_popescu: "To that end, the compromise may actually be a good thing in the long run. Kuhn said that they have contacted the CVS maintainers and have offered to pay for development of features that would allow GPG signing of commits through CVS -- making it much more difficult for changes to be inserted unnoticed into code held in a CVS repository." << guess how far this made it, 15 years later.

asciilifeform: if these folx weren't broken in the head, could've had 'v' in 1995.

mircea_popescu: "He said that they have also contacted the GNU Arch maintainer about adding GPG signing. Though it may take some time to develop, the addition of GPG signing to commits would be a welcome feature. " << see, because we http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775402 over his failure to bring gribble up to spec. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-24 19:56 mircea_popescu: !!rate nanotube -1 took the blue pill at some point prior to the republic, chasing the tenure dream somewhere lost in the imperial wastes.

mircea_popescu: whereas everyone else, traditionally, will just fucking permit themselves to be dragged down to the lowest common denominator rather than behead a misbehaving old hand.

asciilifeform: ( ftr linus is pretty lulzy example of 'uses gpg' -- erry single time signed MB-weighing ball of ??? that in no conceivable way he could have read or fit in head )

asciilifeform: re : 'difficult for changes to be inserted unnoticed' -- did they ever even pin a name on the debian rng lulz ?

mircea_popescu: they are ~studiously~ and systematically disrespectful of male hierarchy and patriarchy in general, then they evne more insultingly ~pretend to not even be aware~.

asciilifeform: ( not that it would've made much diff -- e.g. drepper is certified author of no fewer than 3 open-and-shut sabotages, and still somehow 'contributing' as if nuffinhappened )

mircea_popescu: except that pretense is obviously enough a bald face lie, if they were ignorant they couldn't be this systematic.

mircea_popescu: in short, it's a bunch of stupid cunts tryna pretend like the kitchen's the world.

mircea_popescu: and i view esp the drepper thing very much in these terms, "we are dumb cunts deliberately and by design, and we will not excommunicate another dumb cunt irrespective of any considerations, because believe-women".

mircea_popescu: in any case, let the record reflect i find the pompous feminity they titlessly assume personally offensive.

asciilifeform: would be somehow less riotously stupid if equipped with tit ?

mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, there wouldn't have been ww2 us bombers under any other paradigm.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to this very day trinque-style plane runs on 100 octane cum pb. there's a filling station for these not far from where asciilifeform stands .

asciilifeform: they're carburetted, too.

mircea_popescu: it makes a fucking difference, even before we stop to consider that the native female ~also has different primitives~ one can leverage to obtain satisfactory results without going the exact same path.

asciilifeform at one pt considered to buy such machine, and did some homework re the engines, it's moar or less perma-fossilized 1940s tech. cuz, elementarily, it worx.

asciilifeform: right here, there's that airfield, and the enthusiasts (all, near as i can tell, in their 60s/70s) erry weekend dig in the engine, oil rag & all

asciilifeform: that very same

asciilifeform: ( for l0gz readers -- oblig whale, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-27#1883285 ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-27 16:53 asciilifeform: mcarthur's idea re protein shortage in occupied jp -- feed'em whale.

mircea_popescu: and the fucking :) usage, too. "> If you don't want to have CVS write access on Savannah, please stop complaining about your repository not being in sync :-)"

mircea_popescu: motherfucker, that wasn't what was being discussed, now was it. "if you don't aim to be employed by microsoft stop complaining abouyt windows crashes :)" fucktardry next, whainot.

mircea_popescu: and they never, ever, no matter the fuck what EVER engage in any meaningful exchange. two fucking ignominous tards finding pokemons in front of each other on a subway platform. that's all it is.

mircea_popescu: it's a wonder that "game" went away, it was the game of fucking life for these "free and open source" minds.

asciilifeform: which 'game'

mircea_popescu: literally their entire collected works consist of a bunch of them, face to face, tablet/smartphone clutched with white knuckles, finding pokemons.

asciilifeform: afaik didn't go away, still exists, there's a pokemonist den somewhere not far from here

mircea_popescu: whore's crack metamorphosized into pavement crack, one big government-maintained single-body whore, and the city boi... welll.

asciilifeform: ( for the innocent -- 'smart'pnoje-powered idjicy, zombie walks around in open air peering through pnoje, and hunts devils that programmatically appear in traffic, in coffin during funeral, on railroad tracks, anywhere )

mircea_popescu: the point being, dumbphone creates an imaginary overlay over reality for dumbass to interact with instead of reality.

mircea_popescu: which is, truth be told, what america was all about since day 1, over at valleyforge.

BingoBoingo: Well, social media is gamified alternate reality for social relations, phpBB gamified alt-reality overlay of discussion, list goes on

mircea_popescu: "Tinycc was once closer to offering a serious open source alternative to gcc than anything else, and it's still simpler (and smaller, and faster), but part of the definition of its development community was a willingness to deal with development tools from the days of DOS." << what was his problem specifically to this day we do not know (beyond cvs not being able to handle namechanges, much like ~every other wanna-be v until

asciilifeform: !#s watcom

asciilifeform: ^ the other attempt at 'alt gcc'

asciilifeform: was an a++ golden age dos era cpptron, ended up opensores'd , unusually, when vendor folded

asciilifeform: but afaik ~to this day~ not properly x64ated etc

mircea_popescu: most of these aren't. the discussion of massaging long long etc in the tcc for x64 included in that mailing list is most lulzy on topic.

asciilifeform: had uncommonly spiffy debugger, asciilifeform used ( even beat borland's )

mircea_popescu: anyway, equally lulzy is rob langley trying to explain to bellard and assorted nicks why and wherefore wikipedia is a bad thing.

mircea_popescu: "Most authors mean well, but most changes have problems. Often they are conceptual problems, the problem they're trying to fix is real but they take

mircea_popescu: the wrong approach. The right fix is sometimes a completely different patch, and sometimes there are several ways to do it which will work, but you have to pick _one_ way or they'll interfere with each other." and so on and so forth.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the "i handrolled my own mp-wp, by hand" lulzchronicles, 2008 edition, http://archive.is/Jt2js#selection-39.0-39.293

asciilifeform: http://archive.is/Jt2js#selection-215.0-219.29 << lulgem from same : 'Perl is back in the 2.6.28 kernel, once again due to H. Peter Anvin. Sigh.'

asciilifeform: 'The 2.6.28 merge window is open, and I'm coming up with a third perl removal patch. ' << watever happened to this ?

asciilifeform: i'ma guess it's still in.

asciilifeform: ( perlism, that is , not patch )

mircea_popescu: dood spent a lot of time disogranisedly fighting the [to him, invisibly] organised morons.

asciilifeform: 'Twitter continues to be strange. Where else can you read one line posts from famous people and realize how very little they normally have to say? Just read three consecutive posts from uberlawyer Lawrence Lessig about his air travel arrangements ("@lessig second hour delay SFO2BOS just announced"), Howard Tayler of Schlock Mercenary ("@howardtayler just finished a two-hour nap. Ahhh."), and Jeph Jacques of Questionable Content ("@je

asciilifeform: phjaques Also these new chicken mcnugget commercials are utterly revolting.") Penn Jilette also posted about taking his kids out for hamburgers and a movie. Warren Ellis posting anything, really.'

mircea_popescu: "So yesterday, I told paychex the exact amount of money that was in Impact account, and the portion of that Mark and I each earned, and that my main concern was not bouncing a check. Today, they want to deduct $253.50 more from the account than I told them was in it. Â This did not seem to raise any red flags on their end." << keks. "paychex", also still in business. also still doing the same exact thing -- meanwhile it's

asciilifeform: 'Yesterday Fade wanted to know why Reuters and the Associated Press don't let their content stay on the web long. It's because they're old newspaper service organizations that want to charge for access to their archives. Places like Yahoo news subscribe to their content, then have to take it down after a couple weeks. It's funny that most of what future generations are going to know about 1995 onwards will be from archive.org and sim

asciilifeform: ilar. If it's not electronically searchable, it won't matter... ...Project Gutenberg will scan in and OCR the public domain books, but in 100 years will anybody remember that UPI (a competitor to AP that went belly up a few years ago) even existed' << poor bugger

asciilifeform: 'My sound cancelling headphone make excellent earmuffs while walking to The Donald's ' << this has gotta be a joak ☟︎

mircea_popescu: "Busy all day. The phone just would not stop ringing. Mark called several times (some of them about Paychex), Stu called (oops, late to meet him for lunch), my sister called (wants me to buy her a house, but in a good way), I called my grandparents to thank them for the Red Lobster gift card Fade and I used for dinner, the series of phone calls from Eric was because he had to debug a problem with the gpsd test suite hanging o ☟︎

mircea_popescu: n Ubuntu 8.10, which eventually turned out to be that gcc 4.3 is miscompiling Python 2.5... Eventually my cell phone battery died from all the calls." << how about this.

asciilifeform: d00d aint from india , is he ?

asciilifeform: ( or why else 'buy house for sister so as to eat at mcd' ?! )

mircea_popescu: "So the busybox "dc" command was broken when I tried it, but Denys fixed it last night, so I can do the next perl removal patch now. (I need to get this done before the merge window closes.) Three hours later, I've learned how to implement the greatest common denominator algorithm in shell script using Eucilid's algorithm, and I'm only about halfway through. (This would be easier if I either had any idea what the kernel used

mircea_popescu: these numbers for, or if the perl generating them didn't suck quite so badly.) Tired. Bedtime. Tackle it in the morning." << 2008, this.

asciilifeform: 'So there's a small but nonzero chance that if the suit over the Linksys build system goes to trial that I would be on Cisco's defense team working against the SFLC. Maybe even testifying in court against them. Considering I still think the SFLC is in the wrong here, I'm pretty happy with this.' << whatever happened with that

asciilifeform: 'A sad day; the McDonald's double cheeseburger is no longer a dollar menu item. They now have the "McDouble" (which is the same thing but only one slice of cheese), but it's a sign that the whole thing is likely to drop off soon. Apparently, just because the economy has imploded doesn't mean we haven't still got galloping inflation.' << there's 9000 of these, i'ma leave off , so as not to ruin appetites

asciilifeform: 'November 9, 2008 And Morris got cracked. Great. Both busybox.net and uclibc.org may be compromised.'

asciilifeform: ^ gottaluvv how that's justanotherdiaryentry, and not followed by 'november 9, 2008: today i made arrangements for seppuku'

asciilifeform: dunno. i only ever heard of 2, robert elder and younger

asciilifeform: 'November 2, 2008 Cross compiling gcc's c++ support doesn't work because even though I'm saying --enable-threads=posix the various subdirectories are trying to run the compiler it built to grep out the "Thread model: " line to set the config entry target_thread_file (which gets used to set glibcxx_thread_h, which is breaking) and you CAN'T RUN IT WHEN WE'RE CROSS COMPILING YOU TWIT!'

mircea_popescu: "If I go home, I'll be endlessly pestered by cats. If I go into a room and close the door, they'll claw at it, the whole time." << dood had some srs problems. i sent much less disrespectful cat flying out window.

asciilifeform: http://archive.is/Jt2js#selection-4119.0-4126.0 << also lulzy. this is just about bottomless well of these, tho, i'ma not pollute the log .

asciilifeform: 'Biked to the chick-fil-a on ben white. In 95 degree heat.' 'The hot water started working again this afternoon. Life is good.' 'For the record, a $5 gift card at starbucks doesn't _quite_ buy a mint hot chocolate and a slice of lemon pound cake, but it comes close.' << oook asciilifeform's dosimeter is fully black

asciilifeform: i can stomach nomoar of this

asciilifeform: i can picture how someone might end up living like this. but cannot picture why he'd publicly write about it.

mircea_popescu: guy's political intuitions are remarkably weak : "All along, their big worry was the price of oil would rise to the point where alternative energy sources became _cheaper_, and people started funding research into them not out of altruistic or environmental motives but because there was money to be made in the near term. The massive price decline in oil is a mixed blessing for OPEC; it shrinks their paycheck but diverts even

mircea_popescu: more money away from the competition. (Unless Obama's smart enough to talk congress into investing in the future _before_ it becomes an imminent crisis.)"

mircea_popescu: turns out that yes, hussein bahamas was suckered into that play and crushed.

mircea_popescu: in short, obama is the ~by product~ of a bunch of retarded white boys, nothing else.

asciilifeform: noshit, per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-23#1898841 effect ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-23 17:23 asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu has this piece , where rms as lev trotsky, 'troo left believer' surrounded by the usual swarm of cynical grifters who inevitably come to put proboscis into 'troo believer' as surely as flies to shit

mircea_popescu: funny how poorly the whole charade worked out. imagine if they came to you, you know, "here guy, you're the least informed dork in all of this obscure university's legal history dept, we'll promote you as the truly white black man! then you can go down in history as the most idiotic black man the soil ever produced, while we move on to different-but-same whiteboi wanking posts".

asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu covered this , in http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-19#761495 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2014-07-19 03:17 mircea_popescu: there for all eternity, to confront generations of bright teenagers that'll take about five minutes to figure out she's a furniture, and maybe not torture her for it. maybe.

mircea_popescu: a functionally iliterate moron from illinois/kenya got to fist bump with the functionally illiterate morons polishing the white house floors. i guess that's a gain in fried chicken ?

mircea_popescu: or what was it, now whenever someone who hates black people is looking for ammo he can go "obama was ~easily~ the most inept, ridiculous, useless and failful president in history" ?

mircea_popescu: or i guess the gain is that inept bois who can't afford a cup of standardcoffee at the standardshop could pretend like they're "fixing it" for 8 years, which is to say most of their productive life ?

mircea_popescu: i dunno that it was avoidable. it's like saying "sinking submarine won by appointing X captain".

mircea_popescu: the us has been de-industrializing on the strength of the imbecility and sloth of the population for a century straight.

mircea_popescu: "Poking at making an open source version of the Cisco toolchain again, from publicly available sources. (No, Cisco isn't paying me to do this, most of those engineers are off for the holidays and not even answering their work email. I'm doing it because I'm disgusted with the FSF and would love to undermine Mepis II any way I can.)" << nuts. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: Well, one Pantsuit primary election faultline is appearing to be a "Green New Deal" that consists of eliminating fuels and nuclear power within 10 years. A proposal that makes... heating New York impossible

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, rms's bolix

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they'll prolly go for it, as the easiest thing to maintain. (in other words : heating new york is impossible as a matter of fact -- the best way to "explain" this to the affected while maintaining control is to pretend it's deliberate)

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 1 natural resource not yet exhausted in north amer, is (shit-grade) coal. lizards are fixin' for a return to 'golden age' of soot and aerially-dispersed thorium, for coupla decades nao

mircea_popescu: the united states does not have the required skilled workforce to maintain nuclear plants, let alone build them. it's a foregone conclusion.

asciilifeform: has plenty of folx with primo employment quals to be fulltime furnace stokers, tho

mircea_popescu: should be fun to go on hunting expedition among the wolves that ate boston 4th time tho.

mircea_popescu: "Somebody needs to fork gcc at the last GPLv2 release (4.2.2 I think, need to check) and maintain that, because the FSF has gone totally around the bend and the community shouldn't depend on it anymore." << check that lulz.

asciilifeform: 'last update: Aug 18, 2018' lol

asciilifeform: tho afaik d00d ate own brain long prior

lobbes: good day, #t. Quick update on what I've been doing lately: I've been on a bridge-to-cuntoo quest. Firstly, I spent the last week or so successfully getting a hand-rolled classic Gentoo installed on my lappy; complete with alf's classic crapolade masks, functioning networking, gcc-musl, ave1's gnat, and diana_coman's v setup (tested and working splendidly, I will add).

lobbes: However, I've got some detective work to do now; Last night I ran the Cuntoo script (using the same kernel used for the above functioning Gentoo, and aimed at a usb drive), however when building the kernel I saw a spew of "error: cannot read XYZ elf file" and then it drops me out of the bootstrap.sh

lobbes: Luckily, this time around I have a 40MB screenlog to parse through. Will return once I have a more substantive understanding of where exactly the failure points are when trying to build my kernel config ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i suspect the whole heathen->cuntoo environment building will require some more brush-up and tweaking. eventually we'll get it smooth but for now such attempts are indeed very useful globally, even if i imagine locally frustrating.

BingoBoingo: Breaking: Vzla's diplomatic relationship with Colombia, Embassy staff expelled