trinque: yep, thing works best if there's always a somebody on the other end, of course.
trinque: no such automatic reader of address balance is currently in the loop. process by which I confirm deposits is unspecified, varies.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 19:44 asciilifeform: for my purposes, a proper break is when i can load in arbitrary firmware in place of the vendor's.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 19:50 asciilifeform: i'ma brb, teatime
phf: the discussions after that though are all over the place, and introduce some requirements that i don't think i can arbitrate like "didn't leak the code back to google"
phf: yes, but if you are going to establish a procedure why do you need an arbitrator, or in other words, i don't see a point of separate arbitrator if the process is your own
☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: i see, i'm sorry, but i don't think i can properly be called a referee under these conditions. i can do independent testing for you though, i.e. test against current c101pa, and against one that i purchase at a time you indicate.
trinque lacks the machines and spare hands, and yes, ass located square in natoreich
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, in between the tank and the valve, fucking bullshit hecho en mexico nonsense.
mircea_popescu: wtf is this world coming to. i just vented a few m3 into the biodiversidad
mircea_popescu: "oh it dun do anything, it's just oxigen" "sure. until the day it does something, then you'll really see a show"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, fwi, "No word from oil insiders on interest in the shambling cryptographic provenance solutions still in search of a problem to solve and customers to buy it; but this has not deterred Team Cockchain ("Smokin' it!" ™®) from announcing eleventeen different projects to disrupt this massive industry from its mother's basement." makes 0 sense to me.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824464 << in perhaps better formulation, the very point of having arbiter is so as to avoid exam taking ; the whole point of having "written contract" (import here pizarro's coc, import here the "opposable instrument" thread with trinque, etc) is to permit exam taking. these are contrary design constraints.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 00:07 phf: yes, but if you are going to establish a procedure why do you need an arbitrator, or in other words, i don't see a point of separate arbitrator if the process is your own
mircea_popescu: but i'm not doing it, am i ? i dunno how i'd do it ; i'm also not against exercising the doing it muscle, but commetary is part and parcel of the exercising.
mircea_popescu: note however that practice is alligned : when you protested (essentially) that the tits thing is being exam-took, i ignored it, specifically because... it was specified!
mircea_popescu: gotta pick what you pick ; and as per the common sense notion, if your job isn't a good fit for any tool, your job's not a well defined job.
mircea_popescu: so far it's not altogether clear what specifically other dood's to do.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 00:16 asciilifeform: i'm not about to ask mircea_popescu to buy us 500 boxes prior to discovery of pill.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 23:39 asciilifeform: phf: you will test using your c101pa. and so you will need the debug snake, i will need to put the output of sysinfo , ver , brd , etc cr50 console commands into the statement.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 00:06 asciilifeform: phf: correct, full overwrite of whole 256kB fw space with arbitrary bits . repeatably.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 00:07 asciilifeform: after $time , phf goes and buys, from amazon, a c101pa , and administers the pill. if it is cured just the same as his current one, the other half of prize is to be awarded.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824502 << right. it's also not a good idea for an arbiter to sign someone else's exam, as if it's anything but. i've offered to run the proposed experiments without arbitrating, but that's not what ascii wants.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 00:30 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824464 << in perhaps better formulation, the very point of having arbiter is so as to avoid exam taking ; the whole point of having "written contract" (import here pizarro's coc, import here the "opposable instrument" thread with trinque, etc) is to permit exam taking. these are contrary design constraints.
mircea_popescu: by now they cost more in storage than they cost to acquire, even though patriotic republicans' have been eating the cost for us.
mircea_popescu: in general. but converting the general to practically actionable bits is usually the challenge.
phf: asciilifeform: i'm up for a job of contest arbiter, i don't think that what you're proposing is arbitration. i thought that you're going to give goals, and it's up to me to evaluate if the goals have been achieved. but you want me to merely verify your procedure. that's fine, but that doesn't make me an arbitrator.
mircea_popescu: i think i have one right here. from ~period. it's a workhorse, sure, and it paid for itself many times over, but...
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i bet you i could, if i wanted to. there's plenty of old crap here.
mircea_popescu: well like it or not, it's old crap. the thinkpad sitting sadly on a chair is...like 2gb ram and a fucking pentium
mircea_popescu: i think you conflate economics and coolness. for one thing, an original trinitron bought the year sony came out with them was like 5k ? or some shit like that. for the other thing, 1k from 1988 is like 10-15k today. so... i don't see the $100k price tag that'd merely cover inflation.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the same money put in bitcoin went from $2 to whatever the fuck.
mircea_popescu: kim kardashian also routinely changes hands for price of ~lawnmower ; doesn't mean she's any good. they just like having their picture taken with her.
mircea_popescu: but back to it : i see the value in taking a magic marker to the outside track of google's "drm". i do not see the value in your hairebrained scheme to make a business out of it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the value here is "lol @google", not "oh, ima sell 500 laptops for 0.01 btc profit per".
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 21:02 asciilifeform: it isn't even wholly about the machines, from asciilifeform's pov, asciilifeform would like to see the enemy bleed some, hear the laments , see the mules driven before him, etc
mircea_popescu: well, say they were 500 heh ? SINCE IT WAS YOUR NUMBER
mircea_popescu: anyway, your design is dysfunctional in that (even allowing for it modelling somewhat close to reality, which i have no faith it does) suppose today someone gives you a working pill, and june 27th google patches the hole. and the someone says "dood, i have nfi, i honestly didn't tell anyone anything".
mircea_popescu: it's perfectly possible google just fixed it on their own. and now you want phf to decide this somehow ? fucking how ?
mircea_popescu: and you imagine complicated injustice is better than just a shrug and a pat on the ass ?
mircea_popescu: yes, but the key to communication, which is what you do when you try to engage others, is that you step outside of what you have need for, and speak of something ~they~ can relate to.
mircea_popescu: you may have no need, but putative player has no way to control wtf will hapen in a month.
mircea_popescu: well, to me this seems a much larger risk than the possible insolvency of alf.
mircea_popescu: seems to me that if the one is looking to eat out of his work, he'll likely not even know you exist. because the sort of people dumb enough to depend on their daily labour for their sustenance while at the same time smart enough to reverse engineer are a very narrowly defined set. one is guaranteedly pantsuit.
mircea_popescu: whereas if he knows about you, it seems altogether unlikely he'd even consider talking to google about it, and for the same reasons.
mircea_popescu: so... i can't imagine the problem you're trying tro approach even exists, which is why i can't come up with a way to solve it.
mircea_popescu: well looky, i'm not trying to ruin your fun here, but if yo uwant me to try an follow along ima try as best i can. so far, it's not taking me far.
mircea_popescu: it's not even dumb, it's like a pcb with a large hole in the middle.
deedbot: loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: asciilifeform: my thinking is that your goals ("didn't leak to google") ought to be separate from the testing procedures ("can buy from amazon in a month"). some of your goals are potentially untestable and it's up to whoever's doing independent verification to come up with the procedure for testing, or dismiss the goal as untestable. then up to you to either find a different arbiter, or agree not to pursue one of the goals. i think that providing both
phf: goals and procedures inadvertently put the arbiter in the position of affirming that the goal has been or been not achieved but without following own procedures. in other words you want me to potentially call that the source has been leaked to google, but rely on a procedure that i can't possibly consider adequate for the verification.
phf: mircea_popescu: _procedure_ is testable, but it doesn't necessarily verify the _goal_ (following my adhoc terminology above)
phf: err asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: consider this : i set up a tent at porcfest, advertising "mp slavegirl intake". and there is sure enough a lengthy line of bikini clad beauties before it. i also put slavegirl in tent, and instruct her to reject the ugly ones. ugliness is "mechanically testably alf 3.o" defined as "lacks third tit". end of day, my slavegirl's pretty downcast.
mircea_popescu: "what the fuck is your problem ?" "i just spent all day telling teenagers they're ugly because they don't have three tits".
phf: i don't think "can still buy and diddle of amazon in a month" is adequate test for "didn't leak the patch to google". but i don't think there's a procedure to test the goal in general (see absence of evidence above). perhaps you could restate the goal, but then whatever restatement i'm not sure it will be under the control of the participant. in fact as mircea_popescu pointed out, a restatement of this particular goal simply introduces a random element
phf: outside of participants control to the game.
mircea_popescu: a review of extant literaturer shows this is the only known-to-work example of a cut to your problem.
mircea_popescu: well, scholarship only helps in the way it helps, what can i tell you.
phf: gentleman's word, if only there was a mechanism to verify a gentleman's trustworthiness
mircea_popescu: it may be the case, now and again, that your own fetishes aren't a worldwide concern.
mircea_popescu: the more i think about this, the more i want alf to be in charge of all sorts of things. imagine alf-run horsetrack.
mircea_popescu: "this opera is only good if building not flooded during a nine week interval after itwas played"
mircea_popescu: hence -- marriage. that prostitution contract whereby if the fuck doesn't take, worker's obliged to re-do.
mircea_popescu: i'd like alf state lottery. "if you win and after 10 years are poor, you win again"
mircea_popescu: i think the principal result of the discussion is, "can't have multi-pronged or articulated contests"
mircea_popescu: either can have arbitered contest, which defines a goal in human lang ; or else can have exam, which defines a final state, in machine lang.
mircea_popescu: no, the objection is to the mix. if you want to specify, then you must specify. if you're going to "incluide an element of chance", then the specification pretense is spurious.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as chainsaws sold with elements of chance.
mircea_popescu: consider : i give you pill, you sell it to google, you tell me it's my fault.
mircea_popescu: and if you want to be trusted, why aren't you trusting ?
phf: also contest starts around the time that ascii publishes articles on subj, conceivable that someone else decides to look at the cr50, white hats a vulnerability to google.
mircea_popescu: it's entirely there, that's exactly how this "foss" shit works, by sexiness.
mircea_popescu: and who thereby makes you an instrument of fucking up the market for people who genuinely put sweat in. and so on.
phf: asciilifeform: yes. a bounty is open to all comers, even the dude's brother.
phf: "wanted: johnny pistolas. $1000 dead or alive. bounty not accepted from relatives."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, notice how well arbitering works! i have no way to specify ~whether~ im actually paying a coin into this shipile or not. NOR DO I CARE. i'm just letting you arbiter.
mircea_popescu: phf, "bounty $100 paid for any information of whereabouts of dangerous criminal, except if he shoots the police and escapes"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, honestly, it was a pretty entertaining and informatrive discussion, by my lights. what mosfilm always wanted to make and never managed.
deedbot: kiboneu voiced for 30 minutes.
cnomad: is the competition you guys are referring to for popping that chip?
mircea_popescu: cnomad, might have run into some oddball bug or something, we'll see what maintainer sez.
cnomad: so, some advice, if you want -- competition format for long term research is not a great motivator, since it doesn't guarantee that someone will get paid for their time
mircea_popescu: that one -- once a day. but afaik "is registered" == "!!key outputs"
cnomad: like if 2 ppl work on the chip, someone pops it first,
cnomad: right but you see what I'm saying?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, understand the problem he describes. if arbitrarily prize is 1k, work required to pop is 1k, and 1k people participate, you are likely to pay about 0.5 per unit work.
cnomad: you need to assemble a team of people and pay them according to a statement of work.
mircea_popescu: yes you pay 1k for the pop ; but the long graph of sub-1k effort adds up to maybe even multiples of 1k.
cnomad: success isn't guaranteed but you could make a lot of headway for future research
cnomad: anyway, just food for thought
trinque: gpg: 7BD5B50222D7457B9710CF728D6436492F4A69AF: skipped: unusable public key
trinque: cnomad: why did you put an expired key into poor deedbot?
cnomad: no it expires in november
cnomad: prolly looking at a subkey
trinque: I'm looking at what ended up in deedbot's keyring when you fed it that key
cnomad: pub rsa4096/0x8D6436492F4A69AF 2015-11-14 [SC] [expires: 2018-11-10]
cnomad: 7BD5B50222D7457B9710CF728D6436492F4A69AF
cnomad: uid [ultimate] Kiboneu <*@kibon.eu>
cnomad: sub rsa4096/0x493D43E595D52480 2015-11-14 [E] [expires: 2018-11-10]
trinque: also use the paster next time
cnomad: i guess i didn't update my site
cnomad: it might be harder to assemble a team than a contest, but you'll prolly have better results
cnomad: well that's where reputation comes into play
trinque: cnomad: expect me to go looking for your key or what?
trinque: no, he has to hand it to me now in a paste
trinque: no, I'm not doing this for you again in November.
cnomad: i'll get to it when i get to it
☟︎ trinque: what's this 14 year old cunt routine now?
trinque: this isn't comcast technical support, might find me getting to it when I get to it too.
cnomad: you're the one who asked me
cnomad: anyway, good luck with your project
trinque: deedbot has to be one of the longest running and most reliable services here
trinque: I dun recall kicking, or even telling the guy to leave.
☟︎ trinque stopped what he was doing to help, guy couldn't lift a finger.
mod6 is finally caught up
mircea_popescu: in other news, this doris thing sure knows its steaks!
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 01:49 asciilifeform: revisiting upstack : i categorically refuse to pay for any cr50 related work that does not produce a working and practically applicable pill. because there is no way to ensure that 'paid to advance art' rather than 'paid 10 derps' mortgages and student loans'
mircea_popescu: though, amusingly, the costa rican standard of food service is "solo bueno", which literally means they'll waive charges for items you didn;t like.
mircea_popescu: i'm in an impossible situation, on one hand this happens to be the correct approach i'm deploying, not dumbass contests. on the other...
mircea_popescu: "oh, don't send bitcoin to noobs unprepared to appreciate what it is".
trinque: any transfers the dood got are right there, waiting for him to politely give me a nonexpiring key
mircea_popescu: but yeah, i guess it's becoming quite the antisignal huh.
lobbes: phew. I tell you, if there's one thing a dumbphone is good for it is for keeping up with mega-logs while out and about
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 00:08 asciilifeform: phf: i need an arbiter so as to give players some amt of confidence that rules will not change underneath them.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-08 13:41 asciilifeform: re upstack -- i do not currently have an 'allwinner', cannot comment re its uboot definitively.
spyked: by uboot) and a 'bl31.bin' (again, no idea why, bl31 "secure runtime" crap is part of arm bsp).
spyked: I've also found some work aimed at replacing some blobs (
https://github.com/crust-firmware/crust ), but I've currently no way of checking whether that really works (don't have an allwinner board atm), so this is where my digging stopped.
mircea_popescu: spyked, ill tell you why. cuz most "geeks" that are "interested" can't compile anything.
mircea_popescu: if you include the bins they get to play-pretend along. MOAR USERS
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 00:53 mircea_popescu: dood, danielpbarron had like a whole crate of them.
mircea_popescu: jurov, don't worry about it or anything, i mostly use it as an ideal construct to smack alf over the head with educationally.
spyked: mircea_popescu, that's what I thought too, but it's a different item. apparently a binary for separate core in allwinner SoCs,
http://linux-sunxi.org/AR100 prolly their version of fritz chip.
☟︎ spyked: (I also have no idea what "scp" would stand for in this case. fun fact: all the open sourced bits for "sunxi" SoCs are full of comments in chinese, so they could have named it 馬公雞, same thing)
mircea_popescu: intelligence and a working intellect exist online like uranium in the fucking sea. "it's definitely there!" "really ? go get some ?" "ummm...."
☟︎ deedbot: loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 12:56 spyked: mircea_popescu, that's what I thought too, but it's a different item. apparently a binary for separate core in allwinner SoCs,
http://linux-sunxi.org/AR100 prolly their version of fritz chip.
spyked: yeah. well, as to how it specifically sux, it's now in the logs. prev. discussions had me believing that it's a potential alternative to the rockchip.
deedbot: loper_os_cr50_ voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 13:07 mircea_popescu: intelligence and a working intellect exist online like uranium in the fucking sea. "it's definitely there!" "really ? go get some ?" "ummm...."
mircea_popescu: it's there, they're just all effectually crippled. like dood that has enough sense to not try going at it without fume hood who nevertheless doesn't enough sense to recognize that "you asked for it" is a very poor excuse indeed for registering an expired key.
mircea_popescu: it's the exact equivalent of "aluminum is not available in the crust [because it's chemically bound with crap so strongly we don't know how to tear it apart [until electrolysis is made possible by cheap electricity]]".
mircea_popescu: "even the greatest magician can't produce metallic aluminum from sample until he has hydro plant"
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 13:06 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, some chick named her account illuminaughty.
phf: Vexual: didn't make it all the way to catskills, Shawangunk "the gunks" Ridge
mircea_popescu: i'd rather have replacement brick than entertain this.
mircea_popescu: i find it SO fucking infuriating the all-soviet pioneer morons actually go about pretending like that idiocy is ~anything but~ the most laughable thing ever...
mircea_popescu: really, it's fucking time to express how this bs is not socially acceptable by social exclusion, ostracism and violence.
mircea_popescu: no fucking tolerance for the pantsuit jesus fucking christ wtf.
mircea_popescu: hey, i beat hippies in the 90s until my hands fell off.
mircea_popescu: somehow apparently they all went home to sulk and make tardbook accounts.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the limitation being all the fucktarded nurturing idiots in the "civilised world".
mircea_popescu: it's gonna be such an open season of old woman head on pike soon enough. "but what did i do ?!" "you were someone's mom in the 90s/00s weren;'t you ?" "yes i was!" "fuck you, bitch."
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: instead of telling daughter how she'd better take 1st place at tailhooker's coed beauty contest if she wants any supper, there she was "raising awareness" about "equality in the workplace". well now!
BingoBoingo: In other parasites: "The University of Oxford is being mocked for an email in which administrators suggested that the "highly developed social conscience" of students draws homeless people to the city of Oxford"
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 15:15 asciilifeform: meanwhile , in sad noose, cr50 apparently would be a 1st-class bitch to fully replace, it ( among errything else ) also does the power brick negotiation thing
phf: started yesterday evening, haven't finished yet. probably today or tomorrow
phf: well, if we don't, i'll see if i can get an unlock through corporate channels, and just use it as a one off machine
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-06-11 15:46 asciilifeform: one interesting observation, is that the update mechanism lets you flash in arbitrary crapola into 'rw' section ( it simply won't jump to it if it doesn't pass rsa(sha256(payload)) ) . so theoretically could put a nop sled there, ending with jump into the magic half of unlock routine. and then expose the thing to beta/gamma, and perhaps in a few months it will Do The Right Thing
phf: asciilifeform: i think you _might've_ misunderstood the thread. the point seem to have been not so much that the whole attempt is pointless, but it's the framing that was questionable. if you make a couple of snakes and send them at own expense to interested l1/l2, i don't see how it won't be worthwhile. we just don't have any idle reversers, who want to take a stab at it for the lulz, available at the moment.
☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: "Sadly, the result of loading this URL was… a _a_ GMail login prompt. So I log in with a GMail account, and get:"
phf: asciilifeform: i suspect chromeos partner console is on a need to have basis. if it's just oem partners, then i'm out of luck, but if there's some flexibility there, then yes, there are official channels
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Definitely, out of curiosity what kind of Yerba was it?
BingoBoingo: The uruguayos prefer a stronger hit, nothing but leaves and powder
BingoBoingo: But, a big difference is they don't boil the mate water with toxic plant material already inside it
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 19:04 asciilifeform: classic chifir material.
phf: even back in shalamov days they made it "со слоном"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> point was, the matte people prepare their leaves the same, compl with stems. << In argentina and (apparently) DC. Here they are like pot smokers and frown on stems.
phf: heh, the kommuniti consensus around recent intel bugs is "don't do crypto on cpu, that's what tpm is for"
☟︎ deedbot: loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824856 << to be plain, the argument is "hey, you just watched this dood produce broken reasoning in the vein of replacing 'it is my responsibility to register you rightly told me i fucked up the process, for which i am ashamed as i should be, it is after all my responsibility to have my keys' with 'you asked me to register [therefore you somehow owe me somthing, you totally weren't pointing
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 02:09 trinque: I dun recall kicking, or even telling the guy to leave.
mircea_popescu: out my factual and utterly obvious shortcoming], i'm doing you a favour, tough breaks for you that '''the server''' was out of date [which totally isn't my failure, inasmuch as it was my server, that's why i keep it around, to randomly dissociate when things happen]' without skipping a beat. it's therefore reasonable to expect similar breaks from reality to be triggered in similar circumstances. inasmuch as the setting broken
mircea_popescu: bones hospital doesn't jump on the broken bones to make the point the bones are broken, might as well abstain from pointing out to 14 yo cunts captive in 40yo reverse engineer's bodies that they're transparently and for everyone evidently 14 yo cunts."
mircea_popescu: that said : i don't specifically care either way, but now explicitly.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the "unhappenings" we've been laughing at aren't ~alien~ technology. they're how the victims of child abuse react to the world "naturally", in the sense of, having had it browbeat into them by the shameful harpies of
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824975 ; both in the family and at "school" / football practice / we.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 15:42 mircea_popescu: it's gonna be such an open season of old woman head on pike soon enough. "but what did i do ?!" "you were someone's mom in the 90s/00s weren;'t you ?" "yes i was!" "fuck you, bitch."
mod6: Hi all, Pizarro is working on some advertising materials - in particular banner ads that can be placed on blogs / sites. We'll be coming up with some sort of amount we can pay for advertisers per month to have this up on their homepages / main pages.
trinque: it's fair; I can be slightly more tolerant of noobery
mod6: I just created one, and I encourage all involved to throw their hat in the ring. Typical sizing I have found for these are: 446px x 63px
mircea_popescu: trinque, hey, i'm specifically not even asking you to. fuck them, let them learn to live in the world before asking the world to change to accomodate.
mircea_popescu: they're christians, ergo stupid, what can you do. nobody knows.
mircea_popescu: mod6, are you passively asking me something ? because if yes then yes, a) very slow and b) why so passive about it.
mod6: Not asking thing from you, no.
mod6: I want to get more advertising for Pizarro going, and I thought I would just drop this in here so other republicans are aware if they wanna help pitch in on the banner effort.
mod6: No, will take a look.
lobbes: Nifty mod6. Likewise, I'll add 'banner ad space for sale' to my radar as I continue to filter the ocean
mod6: I was thinking that if L1/L2 people around here want to emplace a banner on their blog to help drive some traffic to PizzaroISP.net and earn some btc, let us know.
☟︎ mod6: Meanwhile, yeah, we'll be looking into other sites, etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 16:56 phf: asciilifeform: i think you _might've_ misunderstood the thread. the point seem to have been not so much that the whole attempt is pointless, but it's the framing that was questionable. if you make a couple of snakes and send them at own expense to interested l1/l2, i don't see how it won't be worthwhile. we just don't have any idle reversers, who want to take a stab at it for the lulz, available at the moment.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 17:44 phf: asciilifeform: i suspect chromeos partner console is on a need to have basis. if it's just oem partners, then i'm out of luck, but if there's some flexibility there, then yes, there are official channels
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 21:04 mircea_popescu: also, i can say it is extremely unlikely your preliminary "thousands" figure is correct.
ben_vulpes: second step in clickbank signup is "who do you bank with and what's your ssn"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, the reason it's interesting is that it is the de-facto home of ~anyone left who's still doing cpa.
mircea_popescu: sorta like you trying to get into porn -- you can't complain about "having trouble with gfy.com", and so on.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 18:56 asciilifeform: and '...interprets user ids as status/control messages and does not correctly keep track of the status of multiple signatures, which allows remote attackers to spoof arbitrary email signatures via public keys containing crafted primary user ids.' etc
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 19:01 asciilifeform actually bought some matte and prepared what he thought was the traditional чифир-style tea, on coming home from BingoBoingo , was woozy for whole day
mircea_popescu: lobbes, alternatively, if you find actually interesting banner selling ppl i'll both pay you for the effort and buy their banners to help take some load off zee pizarro. you have almost enough here to start your own "digital media" agency, just need to hire some worthless ditzen now and is all set!
ben_vulpes: seems like clickbank wants to own the entire payment flow, and looks at first blush to only eat credit cards
mircea_popescu: possible. in other similar lulz, juicy ads (whom, incidentally, i remember from the days the dood starting it was a junior/nobody with a "new project!!", 15+ years ago) refuses to deal with crypto because "we are respectable company".
ben_vulpes: i'll survey the 'crypto'/cpa space and report back
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 19:54 phf: heh, the kommuniti consensus around recent intel bugs is "don't do crypto on cpu, that's what tpm is for"
ben_vulpes: > "Community: access to insights of a 1000-strong community of marketing professionals, who focus on the blockchain industry" << sheesh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it'll be ethereum. bitcoin, like trilema ~also~ something official policy is to not admit exists (aside, of course, how it's what they save in / read themselves).
ben_vulpes: 40 btc starter package! www.icobox.io also all "success stories" successes are denominated in usd
ben_vulpes: they'll make a landing page for another 4 btc
mircea_popescu: i remember one time hanbot went through "crypto credit cards"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "or apply for basic 40 btc package for free!"
ben_vulpes: and on the next page "Apply for ICO services worth 20 BTC for free."
lobbes: mircea_popescu: deal! I'll let you know if I find anyone of interest.
ben_vulpes: looks more like a "the price isn't the real price because it's too high to be the real price and here's some proofy proof" to me
ben_vulpes: i had some suspicious activity in the alley around my trash last week, where's my blockchain analysis support
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i like how they say "the new", as if it's somehow a workable substitute for "the stupid"
mircea_popescu: don't tell me the implication would be that "we've already" the old.
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record we agree -- price's way the fuck too high consider what the republic can provedly do as of yet.
mircea_popescu: ikr ?what fucking "new", the last time usg produced something new hruschev was still wearing his shoes.
mircea_popescu: does it seem to you a maybe-isp, a mmorpg, some we don't have REs and some novel length fiction warrants a 100bn valuation for the republic ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 17:18 ben_vulpes: i intend to do this for the july bills.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: made arrangements; wire's been sent already and cash is in discussion
ben_vulpes: plus BingoBoingo has done good work in lining up local exchange partners
mircea_popescu: in the sense where "o god, paid in advance, at much higher nominal rate"
a111: Logged on 2016-04-04 19:10 mircea_popescu: this plan to stockpile proper chips etc goes hand in hand with a republic-isp, incidentally, becauyse who else to own hardware
mircea_popescu: what, and turn it into a financial speculator ? usually firms go that way after making so much revenue they run out of capital goods they might buy
☟︎ ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am similarly poorly equipped to speculate/trade, but now at recent lows strikes me as a bad time to convert btc to cash (unless it goes lower, ofc)
mircea_popescu: well, consider the situation in the field. the unearned income acct hurt, in that pizarro will have to service in the future in excess of current fiat value ; the capital goods acct helped, in that the servers it owns are worth more in btc than they were when bought.
mircea_popescu: yes, if pizarro had 10 btc worth of gear end of q1, then pizarro'd have had 15+ btc worth of gear today.
mircea_popescu: it didn't, so it could be argued it "missed out" on earning 5btc for its principals. but that argument, like any other icahn-speculative truths, is weak.
mircea_popescu: still : cash position protects against fiat depreciation (which is why unearned income acct hurt, it's a negative cash acct) ; whereas tangibles position protects against fiat appreciation.
mircea_popescu: currently the financial position of pizarro is long cash / short tangibles (90/10 or something like that is the split iirc ?) meaning it will gain when fiat depreciates and lose when it appreciates.
mircea_popescu: really, there's a lot of similarity between the job of the CFO (which... i gues... is what i'm doing here ?) for a company and the job of a captain of a fore-and-aft rigged vessel.
mircea_popescu: it is indeed depressing. like traveling in the desert, come to think of it.
ben_vulpes: "you: wiggle the till. and you! get me a beer"
mircea_popescu: kinda why boat should have nude babes, distract one when this happens.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, weren't you about to move on the high seas, lefty from mullbery st. ?
mod6: thank you for being our parser, Sir.
mod6: this kvm is gonna be the death of me
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 21:14 ben_vulpes: i had some suspicious activity in the alley around my trash last week, where's my blockchain analysis support
mircea_popescu: well... maybe have them make something the same size as other items there ?
mod6: We intend to pay for the advertising, unless nosuchlabs wants to put it up for free as a friend.
mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform : the phuctor design is narrow. plenty of space to put stuff on the sides, rather than bottom, if you wantr.
mod6: asciilifeform: hm? images i created are, 446px × 63px
mod6: vert image is the reverse 63px x 446px
mod6: ok yours is 320 x 132 px
mod6: You want me to make one that size, I think I can make a special one. Lemme tinker on it here.
mod6: you dont care how long it is?
mod6: i gotta creat a new one, gimp is limited, or im a bit limited in is usage. i'll make 320 x 132 if that's suitable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, if you're going to do this, best think about it, specify the site for it.
mircea_popescu: "i dun care how tall" is a recipe for disaster down the road.
deedbot: Disavowed voiced for 30 minutes.
dw: i pointed Disavowed here, found your site via lobsters about a week ago :)
dw: we are admirers of your fine essays and eager to subscribe to your most serene republic
mod6: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu : here it is, let me know if you'd like any changes ^
mircea_popescu: if this ever takes off you can do two things : a) have a banner rotator and b) have monthly or biannual or w/e spot auctions.
mod6: the thing has a home/landing page now devoid of all statements/blog info, so this is good.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, good points
mod6: no, thank you both!
BingoBoingo: I suppose Qntra can put up a banner as well
ben_vulpes: if you would that would be great BingoBoingo
mod6: asciilifeform: nice! thanks :]
mircea_popescu: and in today's harem cocktails : in a cocktail glass (the inverted cone on a stem) put shaved ice, cover with cinzano rosso, splash of cointreau.