⏐︎ 10350
shinohai: ty trinque will test asap
asciilifeform: 'Paul Graham is one of those plutocrats whose thirst to be recognized as a thoughtleader among his peers is obvious. For Paul Graham, Silicon Valley Ideology is the ideology America should run on, and ergo, being a puppet of Silicon Valley Ideology, Paul Graham thinks himself a political genius.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18367 @ 0.00048828 = 8.9682 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363242 << had a very pleasant lunch with oleg back in the day. shame to see him waste his time so. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 17:09:56; linton_s_dawson: oleganza discusses a way to attack non-upgrading nodes: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zu8bh/til_in_2016_you_cannot_prevent_soft_forks_in/cyqhbc8
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: lulzy, and predictable
asciilifeform: 'What actually happens is wealthy people like Paul Graham fund startups because they think these things are valuable. Through venture funding, rich people legitimate startups. Thus, they confer value upon the startup. They then use their ridiculous money and connections to “advise” and “mentor” those they deemed worthy of capital so that they can use this capital to build a future people like Paul Graham expect to see.
asciilifeform: ' << merit-washing
asciilifeform: somebody's been reading the logz.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363294 << next was foss ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 17:20:18; mircea_popescu: they stole some foss and filed the serials off, butterfly labs style.
asciilifeform: bsd was.
pete_dushenski: ah that. yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00049434 = 4.5974 BTC [+]
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zu8bh/til_in_2016_you_cannot_prevent_soft_forks_in/cyqn13n <<< "I haven't yet heard one person against SegWit, no matter their stance on raising the block size cap." LOLOLOL
assbot: nanoakron comments on TIL in 2016: You cannot prevent soft forks in Bitcoin! ... ( http://bit.ly/1POsWnO )
asciilifeform: ( https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/paul-graham-is-still-asking-to-be-eaten-5f021c0c0650#.s0vnaxy5c << source of earlier l0ltr0n)
assbot: Paul Graham is Still Asking to be Eaten — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1POsWUU )
pete_dushenski: shinohai: "he's a pinball wizard!"
shinohai: kek
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo hey btw, any coverage over the total deflation of the stock market ponzi ? << Coming soon
pete_dushenski: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/steven-cohen-accepts-two-sec-192920744.html
assbot: Billionaire Cohen settles with SEC, could soon manage outside money - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1POtcDj )
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363348 << /me appreciated the phree diaper money. (yes, /me thinks in such terms de temps en temps, for "grounding") ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 17:41:08; mircea_popescu: adlai let me put it this way : s.nsa (which according to some doesn't even exist) just threw away ~5 btc over a delivery bet it didn't even HAVE to make. and i forgbot all about it until pete_d said something.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363401 << titty milk is sweetest milk. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 19:18:49; mircea_popescu: phf or their gfs.
pete_dushenski: at least on all-carb-diet
pete_dushenski has to tip cap to fillie for dropping >10 lbs since heir's birth. dunno how the girl does it.
pete_dushenski: i suspect black majic is at play
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363418 << 23-24 isn't so bad. hopeful, energetic, know who to come to for answers. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 19:26:56; thestringpuller: i won't hang out with people < 24 anymore
punkman: kakobrekla: but goat needs lots of preparation to make it good, horse not so. << you need younger goats
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: did we ever do a human milk thread ?
asciilifeform: !s milk market
assbot: 2 results for 'milk market' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=milk+market
asciilifeform: hm
pete_dushenski: looks like not
pete_dushenski: though chappelle's 'cambodian breast milks' is the definitive tract
pete_dushenski: imo
asciilifeform: http://www.newsweek.com/booming-market-breast-milk-335151
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFmYXs )
asciilifeform: or http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/07/women-are-selling-their-breast-milk-for-incredible-sums-of-money
assbot: Women Are Selling Their Breast Milk for Incredible Sums of Money | Video | TheBlaze.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFn8hA )
asciilifeform: etc
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> somebody's been reading the logz. <<< yeah, someone who hasn't been reading enough grammar to know the difference between legitimate the noun and legitimize the verb.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i recall a local woman selling her milk to "body builders" and the lik
pete_dushenski: like
mircea_popescu: anyway. the foremost point of capital is to enact a softer training harness for kids than simple beatings.
pete_dushenski: maybe BingoBoingo can comment on how widespread this phenomenon is ?
mircea_popescu: so of fucking course any working capitalist would produce more people like he wants to see. that's what i fucking do, too.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> maybe BingoBoingo can comment on how widespread this phenomenon is ? << Never heard of it
asciilifeform: and old scumbag pg also, but he wants to produce a... different kind of people.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski : www.menshealth.com/fitness/human-breast-milk-and-bodybuilding ?
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> i suspect black majic is at play << that or working out.
pete_dushenski: http://www.menshealth.com/fitness/human-breast-milk-and-bodybuilding http://www.theprovince.com/Young+mothers+make+money+selling+their+breast+milk+bodybuilders+Craigslist/10834072/story.html
assbot: Does Human Breast Milk Help Build Muscle? ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3Q0up )
assbot: Young mothers make money by selling their breast milk to bodybuilders on Craigslist ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3Q0KP )
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: wins
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mostly walking with 9kg weight vest, yea
mircea_popescu: this entire "breastmilk" thing strikes me as a whole lot of "teenaged cunts make money by selling their panties".
phf: damn, i've been approaching this whole gains business wrong
mircea_popescu: yeah. right.
pete_dushenski: isn't it $50 for a pair of vacuum-sealed panties these days ? (to prison inmates)
deedbot-: [Qntra] US Stocks End Record Losing Week - http://qntra.net/2016/01/us-stocks-end-record-losing-week/
pete_dushenski: worn for a day, that is
punkman: "Medolac, based in Oregon and started in 2009, sells 4-ounce pouches of sterilized donor milk to hospitals for up to $5.90 an ounce. Theirs is the only “room temperature” product currently on the market, meaning it does not need to be thawed out." << I haz business idea!!11
punkman: powdered breast milk.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell whaack win http://qntra.net/2016/01/deputy-arrested-for-dropbox-child-porn/#comment-37570
assbot: Deputy Arrested For Dropbox Child Porn | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFnzIE )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2016/01/us-stocks-end-record-losing-week/#comment-37610
assbot: US Stocks End Record Losing Week | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFnF35 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6426 @ 0.00049434 = 3.1766 BTC [+]
phf: <pete_dushenski> isn't it $50 for a pair of vacuum-sealed panties these days ? << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY0omvbDEY4
assbot: smells like japanese panties ;) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFnGnr )
pete_dushenski: phf: bahaha
pete_dushenski: well gang, ima retire for the eve. a la prochaine
phf: judging by commodore pet at 2:00 in the background, must be #b-a-jp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00049434 = 14.0145 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: honestly if we were to do the same math for woman's milk that we do for cow's milk, an ounce at 6 bucks is a steal.
mircea_popescu: even the best selected wocows give at the very most a liter and change, not the two buckets a day cow sprouts forth. and considering feed and shelter costs what, 10k a year or thereabouts ? you're looking at a good 30-40 bucks a liter fixed production costs. not counting the ipad you'll prolly need, and presuming you can get your milkho impregnated for free each year, somehow.
mircea_popescu: and in related news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/f1bd3771463e19e582e5432ab78a9b21/tumblr_nql78bxrIc1tezjkso1_500.gif ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFp5KM )
shinohai: ^ a kitty titty massage :D
mircea_popescu: i think it knows!
mircea_popescu: https://mikandi.com/blog/news/mikandi-news/fetlife-meatlist/ check it out, by now i could spend ~the entire day reading about myself.
assbot: The FetLife Meatlist: How A Social Network Failed Its Users ... ( http://bit.ly/1VRM8DF )
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may : the late bitbet payments should be all sent, so there is that.
mod6: nice
shinohai: My BTC Phoundation troll of the day: https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/685628331446956032
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00049434 = 4.1525 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363776 << mega-felid ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 01:14:09; mircea_popescu: and in related news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/f1bd3771463e19e582e5432ab78a9b21/tumblr_nql78bxrIc1tezjkso1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: here's a dulap for asciilifeform too : http://45.media.tumblr.com/c52368caad131df408f02dd051955a7a/tumblr_nwkayuimwU1uqlzh6o1_1280.gif ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JA9ewL )
asciilifeform: l0l!!
asciilifeform: where's this from
mircea_popescu: the internets!
mod6: trinque: I pulled, verified and tested 'trb-mk.tar.gz' on my gentoo x86-64 machine. It built a static bitcoind for me! I fired it up, connects, pulls blocks. =]
asciilifeform: mod6, trinque: mighty spiffy
mod6: trinque - quite nice, Sir.
mircea_popescu: hmmm this is suspicious
mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform are the trb nodes isolated atm ?!
asciilifeform: isolated??
mircea_popescu: from this side it seems like i broadcast to them fine but i don't see the txn on the wider network mempool ?
asciilifeform: i got a pile of connections on each
asciilifeform: chugging mightily
mircea_popescu: take for instance e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773
mircea_popescu: you gettx'd it multiple times, and it was sent, but ?
asciilifeform: try now
asciilifeform tail -f ~bitcoin/.bitcoin/debug.log | grep e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773
mircea_popescu: will retry presently.
mircea_popescu: mmm irc stock debug.log only lists a few bytes off the beginning
asciilifeform watches the displays
mircea_popescu: not the whole sha
asciilifeform: hm
mircea_popescu: try cat ~bitcoin/.bitcoin/debug.log | grep e6b8aa9de
asciilifeform: done
mircea_popescu: and it's empty ?
asciilifeform: still pumping
mircea_popescu: a ok
asciilifeform: askfor tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 0
asciilifeform: sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 ☟︎
asciilifeform: ^ dulap
mircea_popescu: sooooo
mircea_popescu: why the fuck don't i see it networkwide
asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaaaaand
asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded ☟︎
mircea_popescu: well yes...
asciilifeform: is this the 'low-S' crapolade, still ?!
mircea_popescu: there's a chain of them, you'd not see the bottom if you don't see the top.
mircea_popescu: it shouldn't be.
asciilifeform: turned up same 3 lines on bucephalus
asciilifeform: nothing on zoolag.
asciilifeform leaves the 'tails' going
mircea_popescu: e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: this is making just about 0 sense.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00049133 = 2.4567 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but can you confirm whether e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 IS in your memory pool and for some reason dulap/etc are not transmitting it, or whether it's not in the mempool at all ?
mircea_popescu: does the log show any "received getdata" for it ?
mircea_popescu doesn't know what to think atm, maybe it's some weirdo bug in the trb ? maybe what the shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00049169 = 5.6053 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: bb payouts?
mircea_popescu: obviously ;/
kakobrekla: same thing happened as before?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4960 @ 0.0004913 = 2.4368 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: mod6: asciilifeform: glad it worked
asciilifeform: askfor tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 1452300229000000
asciilifeform: sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896
asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded
asciilifeform: ^ just now
asciilifeform: (or rather, some time between when i got up to eat and now)
asciilifeform: i suspect that kakobrekla is right
asciilifeform: and that it is the low-S fucktardation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00049334 = 25.4563 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no.
mircea_popescu: this time, the antecedent transaction is clearly in the chain
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform never you mind the complaint of 20421a3f19. the point is, e6b8aa9ded itself.
mod6: was 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 sent by trb?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: so basically, my node sent to trb nodes, trb nodes have it in memory but it's not being broadcast past them. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i would say this is proof positive that they are in fact isolated on the network, somehow.
mircea_popescu: ima keep the present situation up, where they have monopoly on a juicy tx for a little longer in case anyone wants to trace the network/debug/whatever. but i can't keep it forever like this.
asciilifeform: something is ~very~ wrong re: freenode
asciilifeform: it would seem that most of the relays are dead (or Great Firewalled off between where i stand and there)
kakobrekla: something is wrong with everything.
asciilifeform: and before this, i threw possibly a dozen lines in
asciilifeform: and they went nowhere
asciilifeform: with no server spew
asciilifeform: silent netsplit
kakobrekla: rethrow them.
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> incidentally, it is quite likely, even for all 3 of my boxes, that mircea_popescu's node was able to connect to ask for the tx but not to send it.
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> because there are dozens of leechers on each box, and the pile of shit has no notion of prioritization
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> askfor tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 1452300218000000
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> ^ bucephalus
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: do you know for a fact (e.g., wireshark) that you are transmitting the tx ?
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> and likewise, that it does not rely on a preceding tx that is not in a block ?
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> because - remember! - if it relies on a tx that is NOT IN A BLOCK, that tx MUST be in my mempool
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> or your tx gets thrown on the floor.
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> then again, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363830 , hm ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 02:17:52; mircea_popescu: e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that.
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> holy fuck, i'm netsplit silently ????
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> seeing mircea_popescu's replies in the logz, but NOTHING here
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363856 << just mine? or others also ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 03:08:08; mircea_popescu: so basically, my node sent to trb nodes, trb nodes have it in memory but it's not being broadcast past them.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu understand that, for while there are only a few trb nodes, and everyone knows where they are, it is entirely conceivable for traffic to be diddled in arbitrary ways in real time
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: this could even mean that they would remain 'on the network' (pulling blocks on time, which all 3 presently are) but lose whatever mempool gibblets.
asciilifeform bbl
mircea_popescu: tis weird tho.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> something is wrong with everything. <<
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, i know i'm transmitting.
mircea_popescu: and yes likewise, i gave the specifics above.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7978 @ 0.00049042 = 3.9126 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00049436 = 15.7206 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00049486 = 2.4496 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up massiro
massiro: thank you.
massiro: <mircea_popescu> said "isolated from the network".
massiro: this reminds me of sending tx with a high-S value.
massiro: latest nodes never accept high-S value transactions and never relays it. ☟︎
massiro: i'm suspecting <mircea_popescu> is using an old client and the old client makes txes with high-S values.
danielpbarron: !s low-s
assbot: 15 results for 'low-s' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=low-s
massiro: low-S is in the signature <R,S>
BingoBoingo: massiro: creates either s, sometimes high, others low
massiro: in the past, the-eth-scam payout with txid ebc5d768... was using high-S, and modified/accepted txid 09e82c06... was with low-S.
massiro: <BingoBoingo> yes.
massiro: S should be less than 0x7FFFFFFF... to be relayed by the network now.
massiro: if S is greater, doing S' = 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFE BAAEDCE6 AF48A03B BFD25E8C D0364141 - S will fix it.
massiro: source: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0062.mediawiki#low-s-values-in-signatures
assbot: bips/bip-0062.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UE4Q0h )
massiro: If we make high-S txes, it never be relayed/mined by latest nodes.
danielpbarron: !s Wuille
assbot: 25 results for 'Wuille' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Wuille
massiro: and somebody will modify high-S to low-S. and the wallet will be corrupted.
massiro: i cannot see the content of e6b8aa9d... but it may have a high-S value.
massiro: in fact ebc5d768... was a "high-S" tx and the-eth-scam payout used ebc5d768 as input.
massiro: low-S-modified 09e82c06 was mined, so ebc5d768 became double spending.
BingoBoingo: !up massiro ty
massiro: So the solution is to use the latest client.
danielpbarron: what is the latest client?
ben_vulpes: solution imho is to make not mining these transactions economically suicidal ☟︎
massiro: <danielpbarron> Bitcoin Core 0.11.2 .
danielpbarron: massiro, are you not familiar with http://thebitcoin.foundation/ ?
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X )
massiro: <danielpbarron>, i know it a little... that may create high-S.
massiro: If we don't want to use the latest client, we could do "createrawtransaction" and "signrawtransaction", check whether is has high-S or not by our eyes, and do "sendrawtransaction" to the network.
danielpbarron: heh, we don't.
massiro: <danielpbarron>, hahaha...
danielpbarron: so do you bet on bitbet?
massiro: yes.
massiro: sometimes.
danielpbarron: blissfully unware of the politics of bitcoin until it gets in the way of a payout? ☟︎
massiro: I have known the politics at some extent...
massiro: and I think I'm conservative side such as a block size.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00048828 = 3.8086 BTC [-] {2}
gabriel_laddel: !up tripleslash
ben_vulpes: good evening gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/x80Y1RD ☟︎
assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWFxSG )
gabriel_laddel: !up BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: ty
ben_vulpes: > nope.js
ben_vulpes: oh ho ho
ben_vulpes: i am very much looking forward to experimenting with this
ben_vulpes: it's possible that lispy power-magnifying tentacles are the best way to wrap hands around big ugly workpiles like linux
gabriel_laddel: idk. sometimes I wish I'd gotten good with a slide rule instead.
gabriel_laddel: I've tried, a few times now to get a handle on linux and...
gabriel_laddel: well, I end up working on other stuff.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: do you have dedicated sales people at SJ?
gabriel_laddel: !up samO__
gabriel_laddel: !up diana_coman
gabriel_laddel: Oh, and ben do you have any good reading material re rockets? I'm in the mood for something new. ☟︎
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 3.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b20
punkman: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X.Org-Domain-Woes ☟︎
assbot: X.Org Might Lose Its Domain Name - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSrRO8 )
punkman: asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded << I only have half a clue what's going on when I look at the code, but perhaps e6b8aa9ded is not actually chained off 83e2b80e96? I can't find 20421a3f19 on any block explorer, maybe it's another transaction only existing in mp's wallet.
punkman: code ref: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#805
assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1mKg0Gh )
phf: gabriel_laddel: rockets <<http://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/ignition.pdf
punkman: and good god, all this implicitness is code is enough to drive a man crazy ☟︎
punkman: *in code
punkman: where the fuck does "vin" come from for example
punkman: how does something called "prevout" refer to e6b8aa9ded and the bare GetHash() to 20421a3f19?
punkman: and if "prevout" is e6b8aa9ded why the hell does "if (!mapTransactions.count(prevout.hash))" fail??? you just received the thing
trinque: gabriel_laddel │ I've tried, a few times now to get a handle on linux and... << leave gentoo for dead; I couldn't be more pleased with OpenBSD.
punkman: /me would like a bsd machine
punkman: my tv runs on freebsd, but can't do anything there
gabriel_laddel: trinque: and the downsides are..?
gabriel_laddel: drivers, iirc
trinque: have yet to run into any such
gabriel_laddel: so what exactly is it that you're pleased with?
gabriel_laddel: is the notion of dependency graph useful on *BSD
trinque: sure, ports is where portage gets its name after all, isn't it?
trinque: I am pleased with the fact that I ran an installer, and now I have a unix that actually does everything of which it claims to be capable.
trinque: including ZZZ, incidentally
trinque runs
punkman: http://i.imgur.com/4Bhz1FS.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSFY67 )
gabriel_laddel: Has anyone played around with Zen, the CL X server, or does anyone have links to OLD X documentation / proggies that would be useful for debugging issues deep(?) in the X server / help me understand wtf the X protocol is? I googled around for X docs and found a mess.
punkman: ^ http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--iqNlzm34--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/195d26utm7m2rjpg.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSHlSh )
phf: gabriel_laddel: anything that https://common-lisp.net/project/cmucl/doc/clx/ doesn't answer?
assbot: CLX Manual ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSHW6x )
punkman: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35259429
assbot: US Hellfire missile wrongly shipped to Cuba - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1SFsICg )
gabriel_laddel: phf: I've browsed through it, but didn't find what I was looking for. Perhaps if I state my problem someone will know what I need. The goal is to 'fold' the whole notion of X client / server directly into CL function calls. I would like details of how *exactly* X talks to the hardware (Cee sources, yeah) and a large, obvious table as to what all the error codes / X requests are. ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7629 @ 0.00048828 = 3.7251 BTC [-]
gabriel_laddel: sciencemadness.org is really cool btw, thanks for the link.
phf: gabriel_laddel: perhaps if you stated your problem! xlib is a handful of operations on top of blit, where zen emulates those same operations using opengl. exact details of x talking to hardware is completely outside of scope of xlib, since the whole point is abstract those away.
gabriel_laddel: Unfortunately I may need to poke around "under the hood". There are two showstopping bugs in CLIM that crash the connection to the X server, and it is unclear why.
gabriel_laddel: That said, I've not really poked around the call stack. Could be missing something obvious.
jurov: ;;calc 0.00021465*1.01
gribble: 0.0002167965
jurov: ;;calc 0.00021465/1.01
gribble: 0.000212524752475
phf: "in other news" http://tissuemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/TISSUE_Angga-Pratama_AP004-e1394983080154.jpg ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OX5Qbl )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9287 @ 0.00048828 = 4.5347 BTC [-]
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbNgv0RCF0g
assbot: The Comet Is Coming - SLAMMIN - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OX89LG )
mircea_popescu: !up massiro
thestringpuller: is there a way to coredump bitcoind without having to recompile with GDB symbols? I've recompiled it, but it's giving me "illegal instruction" error then closes out. No crash log.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363898 << yeah, and this'd be a problem, apparently. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 05:10:42; massiro: latest nodes never accept high-S value transactions and never relays it.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller bt is your friend
thestringpuller: wait, if a high-S value transaction is written to block does that affect future tx's?
massiro: thestringpuller, once written in a block, it is valid because consensus is unchanged.
massiro: consensus is unchanged but the latest nodes never relay/mine high-S tx.
thestringpuller: okay now I see. yea anything after this was pulled https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6769 there is a low-s threshold
thestringpuller: i wonder if that caused the wallet issue? spend tx, confirmed under different hash, wallet is now borked?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i still need to run gdb to run bt no?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that was kakobrekla's theory as to what the problem was previously. however currently, there's a transaction that has 100 confirms, and it's being spent, and it still doesn't get through. so no, that couldn't be it.
thestringpuller: the power rangers seem to break more stuff than they fix
mircea_popescu: consensus!!111
mircea_popescu: hey everyone : do you realise NEXT time you all "consensus" idly over some stupidity, it may mean MORE than 600 btc delayed for MORE than a week because of your agreement to "changes" ?
mircea_popescu: fucking stop and think about sometime before you agree with usg's moles about ever novel ways to fuck up the one thing that threatens their continuous existence.
massiro: "there's a transaction that has 100 confirms" << what is the txid? this? : 09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363830 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 02:17:52; mircea_popescu: e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that.
mircea_popescu: that's what we're currently trying to debug. why the e6b8 one, which spends a single input from the 83e2 one, is not making it through.
massiro: can i have e6b8? i can check whether is has high-S.
mircea_popescu: i've been broadcasting it all night to the trb nodes, you can ask any of them, they should still have it in the memory.
thestringpuller: I don't recall this being a problem till Mt.Gox and Coinkite complianed.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2015-statement/#selection-477.52-477.96
assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkeLEh )
mircea_popescu: yeah, until karpeles lied about an imaginary cause of stealing people's bitcoin, the other dudes working on wrecking bitcoin didn't have a good excuse. hurr durr.
thestringpuller: cause if tx is malleable and txid changes, you'll see it change in real time
thestringpuller: but addresses will still get their money
thestringpuller: ugh. i can't even.
mircea_popescu: you're not supposed to use "txids" for anything, but whatever. as discussed yest, this goes up all the way.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363920 << sadly this system is like a tango of six things together, and one of them got way ahead of the others. especially of the block subsidy, which is still way WAY WAY too high. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 05:46:31; ben_vulpes: solution imho is to make not mining these transactions economically suicidal
mircea_popescu: ironically, this is known of exponentials, they're "too low" in the early middle and too high in the end. but then again, it is known by people who know shit, such as how to design games that people enjoy playing, not by people who don't know jack, such as microsoft-excel based cryptographer-hermits.
massiro: mircea_popescu, sorry, i'm not familiar with trb nodes.
mircea_popescu: massiro follow the link, there's a list there selected for you.
mircea_popescu: !rated massiro
assbot: massiro is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: and maybe even get in the wot.
mircea_popescu: !up massiro
mircea_popescu: so i don't have to keep doing this.
massiro: which link? http://bitcoin-assets.com/?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pkf7eh )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2015-statement/#selection-477.52-477.96
assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PkeLEh )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363931 <<< hey, recall the last fork power rangers did ? the fucking miners are blessfully ignorant of bitcoin politics, what do you want from a random guy. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 05:58:13; danielpbarron: blissfully unware of the politics of bitcoin until it gets in the way of a payout?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363937 << o wow, gabriel_laddel is actually making progress towards his ideal ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 06:50:33; gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/x80Y1RD
mircea_popescu: femlisp lessonmap fuck now i wanna see this thing.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363951 << oh no you don't. fuck you, keep working on THAT thing wtf. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 07:16:11; gabriel_laddel: Oh, and ben do you have any good reading material re rockets? I'm in the mood for something new.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363953 << lol what the fuck are they going to do, "solution". is it really so hard to say "they fucked up, it's unfixable", must everything be packaged in this "hopefully the us army takes tikrit with two tootphicks and an empty tube of minty flavoured toothpaste" ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 07:36:52; punkman: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X.Org-Domain-Woes
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363959 << heh. cheers. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 08:32:46; punkman: and good god, all this implicitness is code is enough to drive a man crazy
mircea_popescu: "it can not be specified because we don't want to fix it because we don't want anyone to understand how it works because..."
mircea_popescu: "... then we'd be out of what we hope to be a very good job". welcome to the exact reason why we accepted "intellectual property" in the first place. and now here we sit, both with the problem unresolved and with the massive infrastructure of the not-working fix for it in place. hurr durr, i wonder what's the problem with western civilisation. it must be the womenz fucking niggaz!
punkman: mircea_popescu: i've been broadcasting it all night to the trb nodes, you can ask any of them, they should still have it in the memory. << they seem to be rejecting it, so maybe pastebin the raw transaction
mircea_popescu: mno, they accepted one and rejected the rest (which is unsurprising for trb, seeing how the rest were chained on the one)
massiro: could you issue "getrawtransaction e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773"
mircea_popescu: not trivially.
punkman: mircea_popescu: likely nobody has e6b8aa9ded in their mempool
mircea_popescu: punkman we know for a fact everyone in trb DOES have it in their mempool, actually.
mircea_popescu: this was established last night.
punkman: all I saw was the tx getting rejected in debug.logz
mircea_popescu: you prolly should re-read the discussion.
punkman: maybe another silent netsplit?
mircea_popescu: alf was quoting his node receiving getdatas for it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00048534 = 12.4004 BTC [-] {5}
punkman: yes but burned as orphan http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363822 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 02:16:12; asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded
mircea_popescu: punkman mno. that is an unrelated issue of a 2nd tx. again, it's not surprising, seeing how trb handles chains.
mircea_popescu: (which was, if you recall, deliberate)
punkman: oic, I'll stop derping then
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363817 << this is the relevant part. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 02:15:51; asciilifeform: sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896
mircea_popescu: since it is questioned about the tx and sends the tx, it necessarily knows about the tx
mircea_popescu: now, there MAY be something broken in there somewhere, but i'm not tooled to chase it.
shinohai: Still having BB payour woes :/
punkman: thought those were 3 continuous lines from the logz
shinohai: *payout
mircea_popescu: possibly they are, i dunno. even so, they discuss two different things.
punkman: it does seem that if e6b8aa9ded was indeed in mempool, the error wouldn't say "not found e6b8aa9ded"
mircea_popescu: it does.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 392484 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 635 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 2 hours, 57 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform is dulap significantly (~100 blocks) behind the chain ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: punkman but it's not necessarily surprising seeing the orphanage burner patch.
mircea_popescu: or at least that's what i think.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363985 << that is actually a fucking great idea. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 09:38:41; gabriel_laddel: phf: I've browsed through it, but didn't find what I was looking for. Perhaps if I state my problem someone will know what I need. The goal is to 'fold' the whole notion of X client / server directly into CL function calls. I would like details of how *exactly* X talks to the hardware (Cee sources, yeah) and a large, obvious table as to what all the error codes / X requests are.
mircea_popescu: !rated gabriel_laddel
assbot: You rated user gabriel_laddel on 11-Apr-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html so basically this asshole once decided he'll eat an exercise ball..
mircea_popescu: !rated gabriel_laddel 2 almost a year later, he got a larger chunk of exercise ball down his gullet than anyone i know of.
assbot: You rated user gabriel_laddel on 11-Apr-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html so basically this asshole once decided he'll eat an exercise ball..
mircea_popescu: !rate gabriel_laddel 2 almost a year later, he got a larger chunk of exercise ball down his gullet than anyone i know of.
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mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.gabriel_laddel.2:285099d09e499df1658b7e4e6856a2674ffc19d177d10fe58f147f4c70924f54
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for gabriel_laddel from 1 to 2 with note: almost a year later, he got a larger chunk of exercise ball down his gullet than anyone i know of.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel no, no dedicated sales people yet. why do you ask?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel "ignition!" is a pretty choice read.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363995 << that's the sort of poky hipbone i dun like! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 11:04:41; phf: "in other news" http://tissuemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/TISSUE_Angga-Pratama_AP004-e1394983080154.jpg
mircea_popescu: not going into the details of "if you don't know how to tie a woman, don't try and wing it for the derpy fishwrap that hired you because 'who'd ever know'. people know."
jurov: thestringpuller yes you have to recompile with -g or -ggdb. and not just bitcoin itself but all the libs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00048087 = 4.3278 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: jurov: do I change this in the make file?
thestringpuller: grrrr. there should be a "debug" version of the compilation process script
jurov: yes. and remove strip from stator.sh
mircea_popescu: heh derpy okcupid. it has this tab that goes "98 visitors average per week". meanwhile they only keep track of the ~100 most recent visitors. the oldest is from 5:59 am, today. the most recent from 8:57 am, also today. so in about 3 hours i get 100, but "on average" during a week i get 98. it's been pretty much like this for at least two weeks now, give or take 5k a week average each day, which they've been reporting a
mircea_popescu: s +- 100. i think it can be safely concluded that the number they report is simply a marketing gimmick, not connected to anything.
thestringpuller: so in make file I ad -g?
thestringpuller: add*
jurov: yes, to CFLAGS
thestringpuller: cool.
thestringpuller: p. sure my compy is just too old to run something new that ended up in this thing
mircea_popescu: that';s not really how it goes thestringpuller
jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/makefile.unix#0074 thestringpuller looks like it's already there, so just remove strip from stator.sh
assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAEhKb )
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i kno. i'm just speculating madly. i keep getting "Illegal Instruction" so it just feels weird.
mircea_popescu: that's usually a sure sign of a bit of asm being unsuported.
mircea_popescu: the codebase does include some choice asm bits if memory serves.
mircea_popescu: alternatively : have you done the noob mistake of compiling for / on one platform, and trying to run on another ?
mircea_popescu: (this extends all the way to all the libraries involved, obv.)
thestringpuller: i'm compiling on the same machine I'm running it on. did the whole stator+rotor build here
thestringpuller: so i figured it only assemble something. maybe gcc is borked?!?
thestringpuller: (the one i'm using)
mircea_popescu: normally i'd say no, but the stuff we've been seeing... dunno anymore.
thestringpuller: how far does the rabbit hole go?
mircea_popescu: my money is still on "surprise crossplatform".
thestringpuller: well before I recompile the whole damn thing, lemme see what strace brings to the surface
thestringpuller: http://dpaste.com/1KFEQ7B.txt << strace results leading up to the crash
thestringpuller: "killed by SIGILL" which is the result from illegal instruction
shinohai: thestringpuller: what platform you compiling on?
thestringpuller: Linux machine-zero 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue May 13 16:34:35 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux
thestringpuller: Debian
shinohai: heh.
shinohai: Wonder why ppl are having debian issues lately, I must have tested this 500 times on various makes of debian
mircea_popescu: tis weird.
shinohai: I believe pete_dushenski 's issue was just trying to compile on a 32bit system tho, once he reimaged it worked fine.
thestringpuller: this is amd 3400+
mircea_popescu: shinohai yeah.
thestringpuller: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103023 << thst guy
shinohai: weird. I have never seen anything like what you report in strace.
shinohai: mebbe I can spin up a VM with that particular processor and see what it barfs out for me
thestringpuller: worth a try
mircea_popescu: sooo... acthung panzers, asciilifeform ben_vulpes mod6 : it is certain beyond any conceivable doubt the trb nodes are isolated - both the publicly advertised ones and at least one not publicly advertised, because lo! what used to be tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 has not only been successfully broadcast but it got malleated, and is now included in the chain as c29e162c79144ced3e827
mircea_popescu: 9453067e6d34137a4f4cab864dbf801b906e8f6d45f with 13 confirms.
shinohai: I saw that earlier, was researching https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/c29e162c79144ced3e8279453067e6d34137a4f4cab864dbf801b906e8f6d45f/
assbot: BTC Transaction c29e162c79144ced3e8279453067e6d34137a4f4cab864dbf801b906e8f6d45f | BlockCypher ... ( http://bit.ly/1IVWOPY )
shinohai: bcinfo shows it "Hih S rejected" blockcypher reports it as double spend attempt
mircea_popescu: that takes care of ~150 of the ~700 btc that bitbet's been delayed in paying. we will be getting through the rest during the remainder of today.
mircea_popescu: shinohai it is a double-spend. all malleated txids are.
shinohai: And so trb is at a crossroads :/
mircea_popescu: i must say this has been a very instructive experience.
shinohai: No one seems to be bitching and crying "scam" and "haxxored" on btctalk anymore so all is well.
mircea_popescu: there's a thing about centralisation in that, i suspect.
mircea_popescu: turns out centralisation helps when it's a case of "well bitbet goes to mp and mp runs a lot of other things and so... nope." people who only run one thing have it a lot worse.
shinohai: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317139.msg13496128#msg13496128 <<< nevermind he said he hadn't gotten paid but I assured him rest of payments are coming later today.
assbot: BITBET.US - Delay in JAN 2016 payments ... ( http://bit.ly/1mN6HF6 )
mircea_popescu: ironically, it was broadcast from slovenia :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13187 @ 0.00048436 = 6.3873 BTC [+]
asciilifeform wakes up with first full night of sleep in 2wks
asciilifeform: axe-time, sword-time?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1Y9D568
assbot: dpaste: 1Y9D568 ... ( http://bit.ly/1mN9cqN )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel Xenorcara, the OBSD X server man pages should be a start
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1364086 << no. presently a dozen or so behind ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 13:18:42; mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform is dulap significantly (~100 blocks) behind the chain ?
asciilifeform: the others - less.
asciilifeform: actually strike that
asciilifeform: ~zoolag~ is a dozen behind
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guess who can't encrypt to you ;/
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> yeah, until karpeles lied about an imaginary cause of stealing people's bitcoin, the other dudes working on wrecking bitcoin didn't have a good excuse. hurr durr. << Blockstream people nao complain too, because their off chain doo dad apparently won't work if any malleability on their transactions is possibru
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: make sure you have new pubkey plox
asciilifeform: (new in the selfsigs sense ONLY!!)
asciilifeform: get from assbot ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the node that was talking to them was 105-112 blocks behind main chain yesterday.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo try as i might, i can't fucking recall who the fuck is "blockstream"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: wuile, luke-jr, adam back, et al.
BingoBoingo: Lightning network
mircea_popescu: no, i mean in terms of doing things.
mircea_popescu: like, for instance : bitbet pays 100s of bitcoins
asciilifeform: sha512 == 8911da3ce9419d3dfd7aba3b3aab42a24549e712b7b9fae90225db32d53aad88d581f9daa9b5617d1370dfe7fb83ed1e525be3c3d274cf00a86724d9b3f814e2
BingoBoingo: Oh, their the new power rangers
mircea_popescu: what does "blockstream" do ?
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pgp.asc
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mwR9Wt )
BingoBoingo: It talks and proposes soft forks and apparently eats a bunch of USD VC money from god knows where
mircea_popescu: i get a374f57b40cdb645fd1f5eee5e304d6777a02c84d4f449cfefb1f1631c585933daf72c2aecd33383078be87a88701e2634b4542cef3d280ca32eb631432ae661 from that url.
asciilifeform: wtf
asciilifeform: post it plox!!
asciilifeform: the thing that you get !
mircea_popescu: o nm, my bad.
mircea_popescu: 8911da3ce9419d3dfd7aba3b3aab42a24549e712b7b9fae90225db32d53aad88d581f9daa9b5617d1370dfe7fb83ed1e525be3c3d274cf00a86724d9b3f814e2 confirmed
asciilifeform pictures nsa goon sitting in a submarine on ocean bottom typing on two terminals very very quickly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/35A2REQ
assbot: dpaste: 35A2REQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBsWs7 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently if you paste into sha512sum you get a different result than if you curl and pipe
mircea_popescu: prolly control chars.
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> It talks and proposes soft forks and apparently eats a bunch of USD VC money from god knows where << yeah. none of this counts for anything. and i have nfi why they'd get any amount of vote in any discussion re bitcoin.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: done.
mircea_popescu: aite, it's in a term so i'll say.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3Z6EYN3
assbot: dpaste: 3Z6EYN3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBtpul )
mircea_popescu: you'd naively think no propagation can possibly take this long.
mircea_popescu: and you;'d be wrong, bitcoin oft does.
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/406s4f/github_request_to_revert_the_removal_of << meanwhile, in the muppet circus
assbot: GitHub request to REVERT the removal of CoinBase.com is met with overwhelming support (95%) and yet completely IGNORED. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBv7vM )
mircea_popescu: oh you don't understand how voting works.
punkman: http://bitcoinist.net/cryptsy-has-moved-out-of-their-building-unannounced-nowhere-to-be-found/
assbot: Cryptsy Has Moved Out of Their Building Unannounced, Nowhere to be Found - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBwDy2 )
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYORf2eWQAEUxly.png:large
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBwJWn )
thestringpuller: ;;google muppet circus
gribble: Circus - Muppet Wiki - Wikia: <http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Circus>; Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus - Muppet Wiki - Wikia: <http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Ringling_Bros._and_Barnum_%26_Bailey_Circus>; Kermit the Frog on "Electric Circus" - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VD-3kn7z44>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18339 @ 0.00048112 = 8.8233 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, http://imgur.com/a/bgiM0
assbot: jp - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1OaT63E )
mircea_popescu: "Imgur is over capacity!
mircea_popescu: Sorry! We're busy running around with our hair on fire because Imgur is over capacity!"
asciilifeform: dafuq
asciilifeform: the upload failed a couplea times too
asciilifeform: so possible
asciilifeform: link seems to load now
punkman: what's that asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/does-mayonnaise-last-as-a-thermal-compound/
assbot: Does Mayonnaise Last as a Thermal Compound? - Hardware Secrets ... ( http://bit.ly/1SaqoDS )
BingoBoingo: "Back in 2011, we tested mayonnaise as a thermal interface between the CPU and the base of the cooler. Amazingly, it worked nicely, proving to be, at least in a short term, a better thermal compound than several well-known commercial products. But, at the time, we could not determine how long it would continue to work before a degradation in performance was noted."
BingoBoingo: The answer was apparently not only does it not last, it oxidizes the interface surfaces.
punkman: "surprising"
punkman: but I good to know I guess? for that rare occasion when you need to macguyver a heatsink on something
BingoBoingo: Or don't really care how well it works after 3 days, but just need it to work NOW!!!
BingoBoingo: Anyone want an Illinois lottery powerball ticket for tonight's 900 million dollar drawing, for the potential collection lulz? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i was gonna say "oxidizing"
mircea_popescu: and wjhat's the collection lulz ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well the part where getting big lottery payouts from illinois would involve litigation. Even in the games where the jackpot is pooled with other states. Winning ticket would mean potential for you to sue and force state governments to sue each other.
mircea_popescu: hahahaha. wait, i get to sue to establish to whom i pay my winnings in tax ?
mircea_popescu: fuck that.
BingoBoingo: Nah, gotta sue to even establish the winnings are winnings.
mircea_popescu: heh. this quesiton doesn't come up to establish taxes are owed, im sure.
asciilifeform: usa, land of 'win a car - declare bankruptcy'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: vegetable matter as lubrication (much less thermal, wtf, l0l) is atrociously braindamaged
BingoBoingo: Werkz until doesn't
asciilifeform: leaving the heatsink off also works until doesn't
mircea_popescu: i doubt there's anything vegetal in us mayo.
mircea_popescu: the wonder of socialist governments - making the cheapo ersatz something to aspire to.
asciilifeform: aha, land of petro-margarine
asciilifeform: landlord at my last office liked to leave 'christmas package' in every mailbox. it had 'food': items like 'cheese' that was good INDEFINITELY at room temperature, 'meat' where ditto, etc
mircea_popescu: i'd bet that if properly purified of colorants etc, average lab can't distinguish any sauce from wd40
mircea_popescu: and wd40 is not a great thermocouple agent, but also not as bad as air is.
mircea_popescu: nothing is as bad as air, not really.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: toothpaste would work just as well as anything
asciilifeform: all you want is to 1) fill gaps 2) be reasonably inert
mircea_popescu: toothpaste dries.
BingoBoingo: Apparently chocolate is worse than not having interface material
asciilifeform: well yes, was speaking of 'anythings' that tards might use
asciilifeform: and the inevitable question, 'who gave these people a cpu?'
mircea_popescu: obama.
mircea_popescu: well, bush really, but anyway. same diff.
asciilifeform: fdr.
BingoBoingo: Clitler
shinohai: http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/oregon_standoff_idaho_militia.html <<< the plot thickens!
assbot: Oregon standoff: Idaho group arrives to 'secure perimeter, prevent Waco-style situation' | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1SGct7O )
mircea_popescu: ha-ha!
asciilifeform looks at photos, does not find armour or artillery
mircea_popescu: 1798 comments << gotta love that comment count
mircea_popescu: 1802 by now
BingoBoingo: In other news more hamplanets turning on Beetus Christ https://archive.is/DOpqe
assbot: The WORST body positive role model ever. | Bigbuttbbw considers ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFhGeG )
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/dWm7G << check out a page that never completes loading.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFhQ5H )
mircea_popescu: idiots.
mircea_popescu: tyme to nullroute "livefyre.com"
asciilifeform: 'Crazy like a fox. They are Gubment spooks or assets. Most are collecting military disability and ole Mammon has got a nice half million dollar loan from the SBA. Nobody is dumb enough to challenge Mad Dog Sam. Use your brains for once! Dictatorship is here, with this nice little false flag rebellion to usher it in.'
asciilifeform: (from those 1802 commentz)
mircea_popescu: anyway, check it out alfie, usg lost policing power in oregon.
BingoBoingo: Well Oregon was established as a refuge for white folk.
mircea_popescu: also, sam destefano has been dead for longer than the internet's been a thing.
mircea_popescu: "get off my lawn you damn dirty apes. i think there will be arguments for years about the wisdom of emboldening these white power, white privilege self serving outlaws or letting them disperse on their own to be picked up later for prosecution. i think the worst case scenario would be letting them off with a guarantee of no criminal charges they should face a range of charges from littering to treason."
mircea_popescu: anyone taking bets on whether "queergendered", fat, on govt dole and in ny ?
BingoBoingo: Anyone want to do a piece on the latest Oregon for qntra?
BingoBoingo: Seems to merit "diverse" perspectives
mircea_popescu: would be great if someone who lived there.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i take it they ain't answering emails ?
BingoBoingo: Not yet
BingoBoingo: And if they were I'd still be suspicous
shinohai wonders if they have a GPG key by now ...
mircea_popescu: heh. seems improbable.
BingoBoingo: It would be nice if someone in WoT near there would go over and do a GPG keysigning party
asciilifeform: they, just as isis, would dismiss it as intellectual-claptrap
asciilifeform: would say, real strength is in blood, sweat, guts !
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they, just as isis, would dismiss it as intellectual-claptrap << Could probably be sold on "keeping Obama out" angle
asciilifeform: mno.
asciilifeform: to the spartan, thinking is verboten
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> they, just as isis, would dismiss it as intellectual-claptrap <<< you don;t know what the girl says UNTIL YOU ASK HER OUT.
asciilifeform: let's ben_vulpes go ask.
mircea_popescu: iirc i asked and he didn't wanna.
asciilifeform: oblig >> http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto
assbot: The danger of homebrew crypto on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SGeJfA )
asciilifeform: 'the unfounded belief that whitey couldn't possibly have figured out your genius, Allah-inspired "idea". The ungrounded belief that all those other kids that stayed in school rather than quit at age 8 learned nothing at all for their trouble. The firm conviction that you can hide behind your finger.'
BingoBoingo: My present dilemma is if I recieve any plaintext from Oregon liberators over the wire, there is an extreme possibility of it actually being a Preet
mircea_popescu: can still print with that caution.
BingoBoingo: USG agents on Oregon https://archive.is/LZWt1
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFkicw )
mircea_popescu: so you just about ready to make warzone reporting a full time activity BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: Not yet. You know, this may be an occasion to use the Trilema job board.
mircea_popescu: which still dun exist. besides, not all jobs are entry level.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud BLM
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BLM | Bureau of Land Management ( people with short pants ). Yogi Bearr & Bo-bo's ranger watch ! BLM close public lands so Mr. ranger can keep city people from ...
shinohai: Hey boo boo!
mircea_popescu: "For the Republic, Stewart Rhodes Founder and President of Oath Keepers" <<< lol check out that guy
mircea_popescu: but tbh, BingoBoingo, i'm not so sure his point is without merit.
mircea_popescu: why not heal the representativity issue ?
BingoBoingo: I though it existed as a category on trilema? But no, no entry level position here.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> why not heal the representativity issue ? << needs ben_vulpes for that
mircea_popescu: nono i mean, as far as the bundys, hammonds etc are concerned
mircea_popescu: reading the piece you linked.
BingoBoingo: I mean need ben_vulpes as a local to heal that issue
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes can be local representative
mircea_popescu: eh you can't conscript people.
BingoBoingo: Anyways at this point I have concerns about the Oregon liberation's ability so sustain itself in the way the Bundy ranch defense has.
mircea_popescu: well that's the difference between a revolution and an invasion.
mircea_popescu: the invasion needs a baggage train.
asciilifeform: the 'revolution', when it takes over a solitary foodless shithole, also needs baggage train.
mircea_popescu: not so.
mircea_popescu: which is why the soviets were an invasion, not a revolution.
BingoBoingo: ;;google Oregon Bearded Bastards
gribble: Partners - Pacific Patriots Network: <http://www.pacificpatriotsnetwork.com/partners.php>; You Have To See Ammon Bundy's Ridiculous Press Conference In ...: <http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/01/04/you-have-to-see-ammon-bundys-ridiculous-press-conference-in-oregon-video/>; Stockists - The Bearded Bastard: <http://thebeardedbastard.com/apps/store-locator/>
asciilifeform: incidentall, 'oathkeepers' is a social club for usg soldiers
asciilifeform: if that weren't clear
BingoBoingo: Seriously these people need to learn to internet
asciilifeform: (this is not a secret)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentall, 'oathkeepers' is a social club for usg soldiers << Seems to be common knowledge in the actual patriot circles
asciilifeform: no, this is explicitly printed on the box
asciilifeform: it's supposed to be an org for usg soldiers who swear not to fire on the crowd
asciilifeform: often accused of being a stoolie gambit for gestapo, yes
BingoBoingo: Of course, but they got along with other groups until http://qntra.net/2016/01/militia-liberates-oregon-land-from-federal-occupation/#fn2-4801
assbot: Militia Liberates Oregon Land From Federal Occupation | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFlYTw )
BingoBoingo: Which confirmed stoolie gambit
BingoBoingo: Also their agitation in Ferguson, etc
BingoBoingo: ;;google Citizens for Constitutional Freedom
gribble: Citizens for Constitutional Freedom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_for_Constitutional_Freedom>; Oregon siege: What the armed group wants and why - CNN.com: <http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/04/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-what-bundy-wants/>; Arrest the so-called 'Citizens for Constitutional Freedom' - Chicago ...: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: think for a minute, about the wisdom of a pre-existing public list of commanders who 'promise not to fire on the crowd'
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentall, 'oathkeepers' is a social club for usg soldiers << this is not unlike saying that incidentally, the guy that shot sadat was from the egyptian military.
mircea_popescu: you don't say...
asciilifeform: aha, printed right on the box
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo state this for my benefit. so how and wherefore what the guy said is stoolie gambit ?
BingoBoingo: In the linked letter to Ammon Bundy, nothing yet. Oatherkeepers SOP seems to be sound reasonable until Eric Holder drone strike panic. 1. Build trust 2. Glass Cannon panic 3. ??? 4. Profit
mircea_popescu: i'm not really up to date.
BingoBoingo: Other role they take is as they did in Ferguson as USG sanctioned popular antagonist. They served as foil to both police and protestors .
mircea_popescu: the problem with this theory is that it has very low predictive power.
BingoBoingo: Well, for tsmr's history more effort was directed towards understanding USG social engineering with the power rangers than the various US patriot militias.
mircea_popescu: not saying by any means that you're wrong or anything, i'm not from there.
BingoBoingo: It's also an area where USG has spent more time directing social engineering
mircea_popescu: old ex-military dudes hanging around with the beers talking about shit ?
mircea_popescu: almost as good as the 10 year reunion of athlethic highschools.
BingoBoingo: In the 1990's this was serious USG concern during first Clitler administration between Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Michigan Militia
BingoBoingo: Various Michigan Militia attracted substantial attention for existing.
mircea_popescu: aha
BingoBoingo: Basically for USG was about as Urgent as Bitcoin is in 2019
BingoBoingo: Losing large portions of he Western states seems like it might have actually been a concern.
BingoBoingo: If USSR made it to 1997, US may have collapsed in 1994
mircea_popescu: for srs.
mircea_popescu: the whole thing doesn't belong together anyway, it's like "the nation of africa" over there.
mircea_popescu: let congo and ghana go their separate ways already.
BingoBoingo: USG depserately needed 9-11 and 8 years of enthusiasm to tamp down enthusiam for militas built under CLinton
mircea_popescu: i doubt it did much.
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BingoBoingo: It bought time for USG to build Oathkeepers
BingoBoingo: So this is the Idaho group that is doing the perimeter thing http://www.iiipercentidaho.org/
assbot: 3% of Idaho - When Tyranny Becomes Law, Rebellion Becomes Duty! ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFoIAc )
BingoBoingo: Some history http://www.potowmack.org/emerappb.html
assbot: United States v. Timothy Emerson, Potowmack Institute, amicus curiae, Appendix B ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFoWr6 )
mircea_popescu: " If this were to happen, the state would assert itself as the principle of the contract making the people the agents."
mircea_popescu: guy can't spell ;/
mircea_popescu: "was the armed militia of the American colonies whose own efforts ultimately led to the establishment of the United States of America! While some say that the right to keep and bear arms is granted to Americans by the Constitution, just the opposite is true : the existence of the federal government is granted by the citizens bearing arms, under limits set forth in the constitution"
mircea_popescu: there we go.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> guy can't spell ;/ << transcriptionist couldn't spell.
mircea_popescu: srsly, professional transcriptomonkey doesn't know what a principal is ?
mircea_popescu: need less affirmative action in washington already.
BingoBoingo: sysly
BingoBoingo: Was delivered to United States Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism orally
BingoBoingo: Because 1995
mircea_popescu: anyway, not bad.
BingoBoingo: Compare that to the current US "alt-right" with its "Oath Keepers", MLM-scammers like Glenn Beck, and media social engineering like Trump
mircea_popescu: apparently the guy also came up with the theory japan bombed oklahoma because the us dumped sarin in tokyo ?
mircea_popescu: and was somehow kicked out of michigan / moved to alaska ?
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BingoBoingo: Details
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is glenn beck still selling overpriced gold rounds to suckers ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: And Rush Limbaugh is selling Identity theft protection and Cloud backup storage
BingoBoingo: Rush Limbuagh also does a lot of Apple product placement
BingoBoingo: How the American left frames the history of anti-hippies which actually stretches back to the late 60's https://archive.is/sKIoB
assbot: A 'Patriot' Timeline | Southern Poverty Law Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1UFs1XW )
BingoBoingo: Serisouly though, today's alt-right and militia movement almost exclusively communicates on Facebook.
BingoBoingo: Talk about a USG social engineering victory.
mircea_popescu: aha. derps.
BingoBoingo: Fucking BEst Korea!!!!1111!! Over here.
mircea_popescu: "6/18/94 -- Common-law ideologue Brian Knoff is surreptitiously recorded discussing a planned marijuana-smuggling operation through Cuba that he hopes will help to fund other Patriot activists."
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/30AC9GQ
assbot: dpaste: 30AC9GQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1PW9VSy )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: you know im righthere
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu !
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and lo it came to pass that one man had sons, which he met because some women he knew introduced them. and those sons presently came upon him and said father, give us warhorses so we may be warriros, for you are a warrior yourself! and the man said better go and capture horses, for i am a warrior and i will soon die, and who'll give you warhorses then ?
asciilifeform: well then mircea_popescu can wait potentially indefinite time until we make a horse out of toothpicks.
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's the dilemma, isn't it : either die of ulcer like naggum or try and supress the nausea of being still alive with these schmucks all around like graham.
asciilifeform: i'm a good way towards the naggum already.
mircea_popescu: i meant for me!
mircea_popescu: i thought we were talking about me!
asciilifeform: more than one fella can ulcer yaknow
asciilifeform: and i think my horse needs a new fuel filter
asciilifeform: or sumthing.
BingoBoingo: Can't you plug it into the computer?
BingoBoingo: Or does gentoo not have drivers for your horse
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sadly this thread is a continuation of a pgpgram...
BingoBoingo: I thought you meant horse as in your motor carriage needing a fuel filter
asciilifeform: nah
asciilifeform: another horse.
BingoBoingo: Ah
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Or does gentoo not have drivers for your horse <<< bwahahaha epic.
mircea_popescu: you'll end up with a coveted Kakobrekla Trophy for Dry Wit at this rate.
asciilifeform expects to write own driver for horse.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you'll end up with a coveted Kakobrekla Trophy for Dry Wit at this rate. << Well I'm still learning this whole "living as a dry person" business
BingoBoingo: It's amazing this whole doing something about a problem instead of drinking about a problem business
BingoBoingo: !up Cristina
mircea_popescu: word.
BingoBoingo: Also all the money I'm saving that can be put towards expenses like HODL, thermal grease, and batteries
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: i thought old people stole all the batteries they used.
asciilifeform: nah they make'em by sticking forks into young people
asciilifeform: (as in potato battery)
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo wondering if a catalytic cap for a lead acid battery valves would have the same function on FeNi
BingoBoingo: !up Cristina
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 451.34, vol: 4458.66893435 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 446.094, vol: 5088.17235 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 451.32, vol: 8935.65639376 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 466.5, vol: 2.34695756 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 451.714185, vol: 48676.73960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 455.0, vol: 86.21654233 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 457.371479989, vol: 19.63880077 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 451.218283222
asciilifeform discovered the other day that $rupturefarm has a very spiffy library. quite comparable to his own, at least on scientific subjects
asciilifeform: unrelated, except to an ancient thread: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/RS22406.pdf >>><<< http://dpaste.com/290B077
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RsyI2h )
assbot: dpaste: 290B077: National Security Letters in Foreign Intelligence Investigations: A Glimpse at the Legal Background ... ( http://bit.ly/1RsyIiD )
asciilifeform: mats ^ other usa jurist types
asciilifeform: !up Cristina
asciilifeform: Cristina: please fix your connection
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3597
assbot: JL: Jockstrap, Seer of the Palefaces ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rszaxk )
Cristina: gi
Cristina: !balance
Cristina: que tal todo por a qui ??
Cristina: hola
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Cristina: sigo a qui
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asciilifeform: Cristina: arregla su conexion por favor
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mircea_popescu: o hey, is William Pierce actually the model for the old dude in american history x ?
BingoBoingo: I'd have to look into that
mircea_popescu: December '97 -- Nearly 100 New York City employees, including some corrections officials, are arrested for using common-law "untaxing" kits to evade taxes.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wut
asciilifeform: sold right next to the common-medicine magical cure-all kit
mircea_popescu: 3/17/98 -- Two former New York City police officers become the last of 14 NYPD officers to be convicted in a tax evasion scheme. The two sold tax evasion kits from Patriot groups to other officers for up to $2,000 each.
mircea_popescu: dawg...
asciilifeform: and the common-mathematics O(N) factorizer kit
mircea_popescu: "10/13/99 -- Members of the Southern Indiana Regional Militia meet with FBI agents as part of a government effort to defuse tensions between Patriots and officialdom."
mircea_popescu: "1/1/00 -- Despite Patriot expectations that the millennial date change will bring martial law or massive social collapse, nothing of the kind occurs."
mircea_popescu: it is pretty millenaristic innit.
mircea_popescu: "Being a race traitor, yet still tolerated by my pale fellows, I thought it was the least I could do." << how'd he get that ? fucked a black chick ? or what's racely treasonable activity ?
BingoBoingo: He hangs out with black people from time to time
mircea_popescu: "If I might compress a quarter-million years into a paragraph: For hundreds of thousands of years mankind developed along three paths, the African, the Neanderthal and the Disnovian. 74,000 years ago the Toba Super Eruption occurred, causing a six-year nuclear winter, which wiped out all but a couple thousand lucky Africans. I don’t know anything about the Disnovians. I do know that the Neanderthals across Europe and
mircea_popescu: North Asia took the nuclear winter in stride, as they were cold-adapted. By 70,000-40,000 years ago one particular group of Africans produced some killer genius whose genes are in us all. The Neanderthals were wiped out soon thereafter at the peak of a nasty ice age that they were best suited to deal with. They were murdered."
mircea_popescu: this is rank nonsense. for one thing, the cro-magnon did it, not some obscure "african".
BingoBoingo: Can't expect retail expert to be history expert
BingoBoingo: Enablers https://archive.is/VXyv3
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