assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18367 @ 0.00048828 = 8.9682 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 17:20:18; mircea_popescu: they stole some foss and filed the serials off, butterfly labs style.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00049434 = 4.5974 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo hey btw, any coverage over the total deflation of the stock market ponzi ? << Coming soon
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 17:41:08; mircea_popescu: adlai let me put it this way : s.nsa (which according to some doesn't even exist) just threw away ~5 btc over a delivery bet it didn't even HAVE to make. and i forgbot all about it until pete_d said something.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 19:18:49; mircea_popescu: phf or their gfs.
pete_dushenski has to tip cap to fillie for dropping >10 lbs since heir's birth. dunno how the girl does it.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 19:26:56; thestringpuller: i won't hang out with people < 24 anymore
punkman: kakobrekla: but goat needs lots of preparation to make it good, horse not so. << you need younger goats
pete_dushenski: though chappelle's 'cambodian breast milks' is the definitive tract
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> somebody's been reading the logz. <<< yeah, someone who hasn't been reading enough grammar to know the difference between legitimate the noun and legitimize the verb.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i recall a local woman selling her milk to "body builders" and the lik
mircea_popescu: anyway. the foremost point of capital is to enact a softer training harness for kids than simple beatings.
pete_dushenski: maybe BingoBoingo can comment on how widespread this phenomenon is ?
mircea_popescu: so of fucking course any working capitalist would produce more people like he wants to see. that's what i fucking do, too.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> maybe BingoBoingo can comment on how widespread this phenomenon is ? << Never heard of it
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> i suspect black majic is at play << that or working out.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mostly walking with 9kg weight vest, yea
mircea_popescu: this entire "breastmilk" thing strikes me as a whole lot of "teenaged cunts make money by selling their panties".
phf: damn, i've been approaching this whole gains business wrong
pete_dushenski: isn't it $50 for a pair of vacuum-sealed panties these days ? (to prison inmates)
punkman: "Medolac, based in Oregon and started in 2009, sells 4-ounce pouches of sterilized donor milk to hospitals for up to $5.90 an ounce. Theirs is the only “room temperature” product currently on the market, meaning it does not need to be thawed out." << I haz business idea!!11
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6426 @ 0.00049434 = 3.1766 BTC [+]
phf: judging by commodore pet at 2:00 in the background, must be #b-a-jp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00049434 = 14.0145 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: honestly if we were to do the same math for woman's milk that we do for cow's milk, an ounce at 6 bucks is a steal.
mircea_popescu: even the best selected wocows give at the very most a liter and change, not the two buckets a day cow sprouts forth. and considering feed and shelter costs what, 10k a year or thereabouts ? you're looking at a good 30-40 bucks a liter fixed production costs. not counting the ipad you'll prolly need, and presuming you can get your milkho impregnated for free each year, somehow.
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may : the late bitbet payments should be all sent, so there is that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00049434 = 4.1525 BTC [+]
mod6: trinque: I pulled, verified and tested 'trb-mk.tar.gz' on my gentoo x86-64 machine. It built a static bitcoind for me! I fired it up, connects, pulls blocks. =]
mod6: trinque - quite nice, Sir.
mircea_popescu: from this side it seems like i broadcast to them fine but i don't see the txn on the wider network mempool ?
mircea_popescu: take for instance e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773
mircea_popescu: mmm irc stock debug.log only lists a few bytes off the beginning
mircea_popescu: there's a chain of them, you'd not see the bottom if you don't see the top.
mircea_popescu: e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that.
☟︎☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00049133 = 2.4567 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but can you confirm whether e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 IS in your memory pool and for some reason dulap/etc are not transmitting it, or whether it's not in the mempool at all ?
mircea_popescu doesn't know what to think atm, maybe it's some weirdo bug in the trb ? maybe what the shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00049169 = 5.6053 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4960 @ 0.0004913 = 2.4368 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: mod6: asciilifeform: glad it worked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00049334 = 25.4563 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: this time, the antecedent transaction is clearly in the chain
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform never you mind the complaint of 20421a3f19. the point is, e6b8aa9ded itself.
mod6: was 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 sent by trb?
mircea_popescu: so basically, my node sent to trb nodes, trb nodes have it in memory but it's not being broadcast past them.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i would say this is proof positive that they are in fact isolated on the network, somehow.
mircea_popescu: ima keep the present situation up, where they have monopoly on a juicy tx for a little longer in case anyone wants to trace the network/debug/whatever. but i can't keep it forever like this.
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 02:17:52; mircea_popescu: e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that.
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 03:08:08; mircea_popescu: so basically, my node sent to trb nodes, trb nodes have it in memory but it's not being broadcast past them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7978 @ 0.00049042 = 3.9126 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00049436 = 15.7206 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00049486 = 2.4496 BTC [+]
massiro: <mircea_popescu> said "isolated from the network".
massiro: this reminds me of sending tx with a high-S value.
massiro: latest nodes never accept high-S value transactions and never relays it.
☟︎ massiro: i'm suspecting <mircea_popescu> is using an old client and the old client makes txes with high-S values.
massiro: low-S is in the signature <R,S>
BingoBoingo: massiro: creates either s, sometimes high, others low
massiro: in the past, the-eth-scam payout with txid ebc5d768... was using high-S, and modified/accepted txid 09e82c06... was with low-S.
massiro: S should be less than 0x7FFFFFFF... to be relayed by the network now.
massiro: if S is greater, doing S' = 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFE BAAEDCE6 AF48A03B BFD25E8C D0364141 - S will fix it.
massiro: If we make high-S txes, it never be relayed/mined by latest nodes.
massiro: and somebody will modify high-S to low-S. and the wallet will be corrupted.
massiro: i cannot see the content of e6b8aa9d... but it may have a high-S value.
massiro: in fact ebc5d768... was a "high-S" tx and the-eth-scam payout used ebc5d768 as input.
massiro: low-S-modified 09e82c06 was mined, so ebc5d768 became double spending.
massiro: So the solution is to use the latest client.
ben_vulpes: solution imho is to make not mining these transactions economically suicidal
☟︎ massiro: <danielpbarron> Bitcoin Core 0.11.2 .
massiro: <danielpbarron>, i know it a little... that may create high-S.
massiro: If we don't want to use the latest client, we could do "createrawtransaction" and "signrawtransaction", check whether is has high-S or not by our eyes, and do "sendrawtransaction" to the network.
massiro: <danielpbarron>, hahaha...
danielpbarron: blissfully unware of the politics of bitcoin until it gets in the way of a payout?
☟︎ massiro: I have known the politics at some extent...
massiro: and I think I'm conservative side such as a block size.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00048828 = 3.8086 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: i am very much looking forward to experimenting with this
ben_vulpes: it's possible that lispy power-magnifying tentacles are the best way to wrap hands around big ugly workpiles like linux
gabriel_laddel: idk. sometimes I wish I'd gotten good with a slide rule instead.
gabriel_laddel: I've tried, a few times now to get a handle on linux and...
gabriel_laddel: Oh, and ben do you have any good reading material re rockets? I'm in the mood for something new.
☟︎ punkman: asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded << I only have half a clue what's going on when I look at the code, but perhaps e6b8aa9ded is not actually chained off 83e2b80e96? I can't find 20421a3f19 on any block explorer, maybe it's another transaction only existing in mp's wallet.
punkman: and good god, all this implicitness is code is enough to drive a man crazy
☟︎ punkman: where the fuck does "vin" come from for example
punkman: how does something called "prevout" refer to e6b8aa9ded and the bare GetHash() to 20421a3f19?
punkman: and if "prevout" is e6b8aa9ded why the hell does "if (!mapTransactions.count(prevout.hash))" fail??? you just received the thing
trinque: gabriel_laddel │ I've tried, a few times now to get a handle on linux and... << leave gentoo for dead; I couldn't be more pleased with OpenBSD.
punkman: /me would like a bsd machine
punkman: my tv runs on freebsd, but can't do anything there
trinque: have yet to run into any such
trinque: sure, ports is where portage gets its name after all, isn't it?
trinque: I am pleased with the fact that I ran an installer, and now I have a unix that actually does everything of which it claims to be capable.
trinque: including ZZZ, incidentally
gabriel_laddel: Has anyone played around with Zen, the CL X server, or does anyone have links to OLD X documentation / proggies that would be useful for debugging issues deep(?) in the X server / help me understand wtf the X protocol is? I googled around for X docs and found a mess.
gabriel_laddel: phf: I've browsed through it, but didn't find what I was looking for. Perhaps if I state my problem someone will know what I need. The goal is to 'fold' the whole notion of X client / server directly into CL function calls. I would like details of how *exactly* X talks to the hardware (Cee sources, yeah) and a large, obvious table as to what all the error codes / X requests are.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7629 @ 0.00048828 = 3.7251 BTC [-]
gabriel_laddel: sciencemadness.org is really cool btw, thanks for the link.
phf: gabriel_laddel: perhaps if you stated your problem! xlib is a handful of operations on top of blit, where zen emulates those same operations using opengl. exact details of x talking to hardware is completely outside of scope of xlib, since the whole point is abstract those away.
gabriel_laddel: Unfortunately I may need to poke around "under the hood". There are two showstopping bugs in CLIM that crash the connection to the X server, and it is unclear why.
gabriel_laddel: That said, I've not really poked around the call stack. Could be missing something obvious.
jurov: ;;calc 0.00021465*1.01
jurov: ;;calc 0.00021465/1.01
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9287 @ 0.00048828 = 4.5347 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: is there a way to coredump bitcoind without having to recompile with GDB symbols? I've recompiled it, but it's giving me "illegal instruction" error then closes out. No crash log.
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 05:10:42; massiro: latest nodes never accept high-S value transactions and never relays it.
thestringpuller: wait, if a high-S value transaction is written to block does that affect future tx's?
massiro: thestringpuller, once written in a block, it is valid because consensus is unchanged.
massiro: consensus is unchanged but the latest nodes never relay/mine high-S tx.
thestringpuller: i wonder if that caused the wallet issue? spend tx, confirmed under different hash, wallet is now borked?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that was kakobrekla's theory as to what the problem was previously. however currently, there's a transaction that has 100 confirms, and it's being spent, and it still doesn't get through. so no, that couldn't be it.
mircea_popescu: hey everyone : do you realise NEXT time you all "consensus" idly over some stupidity, it may mean MORE than 600 btc delayed for MORE than a week because of your agreement to "changes" ?
mircea_popescu: fucking stop and think about sometime before you agree with usg's moles about ever novel ways to fuck up the one thing that threatens their continuous existence.
massiro: "there's a transaction that has 100 confirms" << what is the txid? this? : 09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 02:17:52; mircea_popescu: e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that.
mircea_popescu: that's what we're currently trying to debug. why the e6b8 one, which spends a single input from the 83e2 one, is not making it through.
massiro: can i have e6b8? i can check whether is has high-S.
mircea_popescu: i've been broadcasting it all night to the trb nodes, you can ask any of them, they should still have it in the memory.
thestringpuller: I don't recall this being a problem till Mt.Gox and Coinkite complianed.
mircea_popescu: yeah, until karpeles lied about an imaginary cause of stealing people's bitcoin, the other dudes working on wrecking bitcoin didn't have a good excuse. hurr durr.
thestringpuller: cause if tx is malleable and txid changes, you'll see it change in real time
mircea_popescu: you're not supposed to use "txids" for anything, but whatever. as discussed yest, this goes up all the way.
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 05:46:31; ben_vulpes: solution imho is to make not mining these transactions economically suicidal
mircea_popescu: ironically, this is known of exponentials, they're "too low" in the early middle and too high in the end. but then again, it is known by people who know shit, such as how to design games that people enjoy playing, not by people who don't know jack, such as microsoft-excel based cryptographer-hermits.
massiro: mircea_popescu, sorry, i'm not familiar with trb nodes.
mircea_popescu: massiro follow the link, there's a list there selected for you.
assbot: massiro is not registered in WoT.
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 05:58:13; danielpbarron: blissfully unware of the politics of bitcoin until it gets in the way of a payout?
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 07:16:11; gabriel_laddel: Oh, and ben do you have any good reading material re rockets? I'm in the mood for something new.
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 08:32:46; punkman: and good god, all this implicitness is code is enough to drive a man crazy
mircea_popescu: "it can not be specified because we don't want to fix it because we don't want anyone to understand how it works because..."
mircea_popescu: "... then we'd be out of what we hope to be a very good job". welcome to the exact reason why we accepted "intellectual property" in the first place. and now here we sit, both with the problem unresolved and with the massive infrastructure of the not-working fix for it in place. hurr durr, i wonder what's the problem with western civilisation. it must be the womenz fucking niggaz!
punkman: mircea_popescu: i've been broadcasting it all night to the trb nodes, you can ask any of them, they should still have it in the memory. << they seem to be rejecting it, so maybe pastebin the raw transaction
mircea_popescu: mno, they accepted one and rejected the rest (which is unsurprising for trb, seeing how the rest were chained on the one)
massiro: could you issue "getrawtransaction e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773"
punkman: mircea_popescu: likely nobody has e6b8aa9ded in their mempool
mircea_popescu: punkman we know for a fact everyone in trb DOES have it in their mempool, actually.
punkman: all I saw was the tx getting rejected in debug.logz
punkman: maybe another silent netsplit?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00048534 = 12.4004 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 02:16:12; asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded
mircea_popescu: punkman mno. that is an unrelated issue of a 2nd tx. again, it's not surprising, seeing how trb handles chains.
punkman: oic, I'll stop derping then
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 02:15:51; asciilifeform: sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896
mircea_popescu: since it is questioned about the tx and sends the tx, it necessarily knows about the tx
mircea_popescu: now, there MAY be something broken in there somewhere, but i'm not tooled to chase it.
shinohai: Still having BB payour woes :/
punkman: thought those were 3 continuous lines from the logz
mircea_popescu: possibly they are, i dunno. even so, they discuss two different things.
punkman: it does seem that if e6b8aa9ded was indeed in mempool, the error wouldn't say "not found e6b8aa9ded"
gribble: Current Blocks: 392484 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 635 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 2 hours, 57 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform is dulap significantly (~100 blocks) behind the chain ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: punkman but it's not necessarily surprising seeing the orphanage burner patch.
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 09:38:41; gabriel_laddel: phf: I've browsed through it, but didn't find what I was looking for. Perhaps if I state my problem someone will know what I need. The goal is to 'fold' the whole notion of X client / server directly into CL function calls. I would like details of how *exactly* X talks to the hardware (Cee sources, yeah) and a large, obvious table as to what all the error codes / X requests are.
mircea_popescu: !rated gabriel_laddel 2 almost a year later, he got a larger chunk of exercise ball down his gullet than anyone i know of.
mircea_popescu: !rate gabriel_laddel 2 almost a year later, he got a larger chunk of exercise ball down his gullet than anyone i know of.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.gabriel_laddel.2:285099d09e499df1658b7e4e6856a2674ffc19d177d10fe58f147f4c70924f54
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for gabriel_laddel from 1 to 2 with note: almost a year later, he got a larger chunk of exercise ball down his gullet than anyone i know of.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel no, no dedicated sales people yet. why do you ask?
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel "ignition!" is a pretty choice read.
mircea_popescu: not going into the details of "if you don't know how to tie a woman, don't try and wing it for the derpy fishwrap that hired you because 'who'd ever know'. people know."
jurov: thestringpuller yes you have to recompile with -g or -ggdb. and not just bitcoin itself but all the libs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00048087 = 4.3278 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: grrrr. there should be a "debug" version of the compilation process script
jurov: yes. and remove strip from stator.sh
mircea_popescu: heh derpy okcupid. it has this tab that goes "98 visitors average per week". meanwhile they only keep track of the ~100 most recent visitors. the oldest is from 5:59 am, today. the most recent from 8:57 am, also today. so in about 3 hours i get 100, but "on average" during a week i get 98. it's been pretty much like this for at least two weeks now, give or take 5k a week average each day, which they've been reporting a
mircea_popescu: s +- 100. i think it can be safely concluded that the number they report is simply a marketing gimmick, not connected to anything.
thestringpuller: p. sure my compy is just too old to run something new that ended up in this thing
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i kno. i'm just speculating madly. i keep getting "Illegal Instruction" so it just feels weird.
mircea_popescu: that's usually a sure sign of a bit of asm being unsuported.
mircea_popescu: the codebase does include some choice asm bits if memory serves.
mircea_popescu: alternatively : have you done the noob mistake of compiling for / on one platform, and trying to run on another ?
mircea_popescu: (this extends all the way to all the libraries involved, obv.)
thestringpuller: i'm compiling on the same machine I'm running it on. did the whole stator+rotor build here
thestringpuller: so i figured it only assemble something. maybe gcc is borked?!?
mircea_popescu: normally i'd say no, but the stuff we've been seeing... dunno anymore.
thestringpuller: well before I recompile the whole damn thing, lemme see what strace brings to the surface
thestringpuller: "killed by SIGILL" which is the result from illegal instruction
shinohai: thestringpuller: what platform you compiling on?
thestringpuller: Linux machine-zero 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue May 13 16:34:35 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux
shinohai: Wonder why ppl are having debian issues lately, I must have tested this 500 times on various makes of debian
shinohai: I believe pete_dushenski 's issue was just trying to compile on a 32bit system tho, once he reimaged it worked fine.
shinohai: weird. I have never seen anything like what you report in strace.
shinohai: mebbe I can spin up a VM with that particular processor and see what it barfs out for me
mircea_popescu: sooo... acthung panzers, asciilifeform ben_vulpes mod6 : it is certain beyond any conceivable doubt the trb nodes are isolated - both the publicly advertised ones and at least one not publicly advertised, because lo! what used to be tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 has not only been successfully broadcast but it got malleated, and is now included in the chain as c29e162c79144ced3e827
mircea_popescu: 9453067e6d34137a4f4cab864dbf801b906e8f6d45f with 13 confirms.
shinohai: bcinfo shows it "Hih S rejected" blockcypher reports it as double spend attempt
mircea_popescu: that takes care of ~150 of the ~700 btc that bitbet's been delayed in paying. we will be getting through the rest during the remainder of today.
mircea_popescu: shinohai it is a double-spend. all malleated txids are.
shinohai: And so trb is at a crossroads :/
mircea_popescu: i must say this has been a very instructive experience.
shinohai: No one seems to be bitching and crying "scam" and "haxxored" on btctalk anymore so all is well.
mircea_popescu: there's a thing about centralisation in that, i suspect.
mircea_popescu: turns out centralisation helps when it's a case of "well bitbet goes to mp and mp runs a lot of other things and so... nope." people who only run one thing have it a lot worse.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13187 @ 0.00048436 = 6.3873 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel Xenorcara, the OBSD X server man pages should be a start
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 13:18:42; mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform is dulap significantly (~100 blocks) behind the chain ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> yeah, until karpeles lied about an imaginary cause of stealing people's bitcoin, the other dudes working on wrecking bitcoin didn't have a good excuse. hurr durr. << Blockstream people nao complain too, because their off chain doo dad apparently won't work if any malleability on their transactions is possibru
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the node that was talking to them was 105-112 blocks behind main chain yesterday.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo try as i might, i can't fucking recall who the fuck is "blockstream"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: wuile, luke-jr, adam back, et al.
BingoBoingo: It talks and proposes soft forks and apparently eats a bunch of USD VC money from god knows where
mircea_popescu: i get a374f57b40cdb645fd1f5eee5e304d6777a02c84d4f449cfefb1f1631c585933daf72c2aecd33383078be87a88701e2634b4542cef3d280ca32eb631432ae661 from that url.
mircea_popescu: 8911da3ce9419d3dfd7aba3b3aab42a24549e712b7b9fae90225db32d53aad88d581f9daa9b5617d1370dfe7fb83ed1e525be3c3d274cf00a86724d9b3f814e2 confirmed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently if you paste into sha512sum you get a different result than if you curl and pipe
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> It talks and proposes soft forks and apparently eats a bunch of USD VC money from god knows where << yeah. none of this counts for anything. and i have nfi why they'd get any amount of vote in any discussion re bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: you'd naively think no propagation can possibly take this long.
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mircea_popescu: Sorry! We're busy running around with our hair on fire because Imgur is over capacity!"
BingoBoingo: "Back in 2011, we tested mayonnaise as a thermal interface between the CPU and the base of the cooler. Amazingly, it worked nicely, proving to be, at least in a short term, a better thermal compound than several well-known commercial products. But, at the time, we could not determine how long it would continue to work before a degradation in performance was noted."
BingoBoingo: The answer was apparently not only does it not last, it oxidizes the interface surfaces.
punkman: but I good to know I guess? for that rare occasion when you need to macguyver a heatsink on something
BingoBoingo: Or don't really care how well it works after 3 days, but just need it to work NOW!!!
BingoBoingo: Anyone want an Illinois lottery powerball ticket for tonight's 900 million dollar drawing, for the potential collection lulz?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well the part where getting big lottery payouts from illinois would involve litigation. Even in the games where the jackpot is pooled with other states. Winning ticket would mean potential for you to sue and force state governments to sue each other.
mircea_popescu: hahahaha. wait, i get to sue to establish to whom i pay my winnings in tax ?
BingoBoingo: Nah, gotta sue to even establish the winnings are winnings.
mircea_popescu: heh. this quesiton doesn't come up to establish taxes are owed, im sure.
mircea_popescu: the wonder of socialist governments - making the cheapo ersatz something to aspire to.
mircea_popescu: i'd bet that if properly purified of colorants etc, average lab can't distinguish any sauce from wd40
mircea_popescu: and wd40 is not a great thermocouple agent, but also not as bad as air is.
BingoBoingo: Apparently chocolate is worse than not having interface material
assbot: Oregon standoff: Idaho group arrives to 'secure perimeter, prevent Waco-style situation' | OregonLive.com ... (
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mircea_popescu: anyway, check it out alfie, usg lost policing power in oregon.
BingoBoingo: Well Oregon was established as a refuge for white folk.
mircea_popescu: also, sam destefano has been dead for longer than the internet's been a thing.
mircea_popescu: "get off my lawn you damn dirty apes. i think there will be arguments for years about the wisdom of emboldening these white power, white privilege self serving outlaws or letting them disperse on their own to be picked up later for prosecution. i think the worst case scenario would be letting them off with a guarantee of no criminal charges they should face a range of charges from littering to treason."
mircea_popescu: anyone taking bets on whether "queergendered", fat, on govt dole and in ny ?
BingoBoingo: Anyone want to do a piece on the latest Oregon for qntra?
shinohai wonders if they have a GPG key by now ...
BingoBoingo: It would be nice if someone in WoT near there would go over and do a GPG keysigning party
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they, just as isis, would dismiss it as intellectual-claptrap << Could probably be sold on "keeping Obama out" angle
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> they, just as isis, would dismiss it as intellectual-claptrap <<< you don;t know what the girl says UNTIL YOU ASK HER OUT.
BingoBoingo: My present dilemma is if I recieve any plaintext from Oregon liberators over the wire, there is an extreme possibility of it actually being a Preet
mircea_popescu: so you just about ready to make warzone reporting a full time activity BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: Not yet. You know, this may be an occasion to use the Trilema job board.
mircea_popescu: which still dun exist. besides, not all jobs are entry level.
mircea_popescu: "For the Republic, Stewart Rhodes Founder and President of Oath Keepers" <<< lol check out that guy
mircea_popescu: but tbh, BingoBoingo, i'm not so sure his point is without merit.
BingoBoingo: I though it existed as a category on trilema? But no, no entry level position here.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> why not heal the representativity issue ? << needs ben_vulpes for that
mircea_popescu: nono i mean, as far as the bundys, hammonds etc are concerned
BingoBoingo: I mean need ben_vulpes as a local to heal that issue
BingoBoingo: Anyways at this point I have concerns about the Oregon liberation's ability so sustain itself in the way the Bundy ranch defense has.
mircea_popescu: well that's the difference between a revolution and an invasion.
mircea_popescu: which is why the soviets were an invasion, not a revolution.
BingoBoingo: Seriously these people need to learn to internet
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentall, 'oathkeepers' is a social club for usg soldiers << Seems to be common knowledge in the actual patriot circles
BingoBoingo: ;;google Citizens for Constitutional Freedom
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentall, 'oathkeepers' is a social club for usg soldiers << this is not unlike saying that incidentally, the guy that shot sadat was from the egyptian military.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo state this for my benefit. so how and wherefore what the guy said is stoolie gambit ?
BingoBoingo: In the linked letter to Ammon Bundy, nothing yet. Oatherkeepers SOP seems to be sound reasonable until Eric Holder drone strike panic. 1. Build trust 2. Glass Cannon panic 3. ??? 4. Profit
BingoBoingo: Other role they take is as they did in Ferguson as USG sanctioned popular antagonist. They served as foil to both police and protestors .
mircea_popescu: the problem with this theory is that it has very low predictive power.
BingoBoingo: Well, for tsmr's history more effort was directed towards understanding USG social engineering with the power rangers than the various US patriot militias.
mircea_popescu: not saying by any means that you're wrong or anything, i'm not from there.
BingoBoingo: It's also an area where USG has spent more time directing social engineering
mircea_popescu: old ex-military dudes hanging around with the beers talking about shit ?
mircea_popescu: almost as good as the 10 year reunion of athlethic highschools.
BingoBoingo: In the 1990's this was serious USG concern during first Clitler administration between Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Michigan Militia
BingoBoingo: Various Michigan Militia attracted substantial attention for existing.
BingoBoingo: Basically for USG was about as Urgent as Bitcoin is in 2019
BingoBoingo: Losing large portions of he Western states seems like it might have actually been a concern.
BingoBoingo: If USSR made it to 1997, US may have collapsed in 1994
mircea_popescu: the whole thing doesn't belong together anyway, it's like "the nation of africa" over there.
BingoBoingo: USG depserately needed 9-11 and 8 years of enthusiasm to tamp down enthusiam for militas built under CLinton
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BingoBoingo: It bought time for USG to build Oathkeepers
mircea_popescu: " If this were to happen, the state would assert itself as the principle of the contract making the people the agents."
mircea_popescu: "was the armed militia of the American colonies whose own efforts ultimately led to the establishment of the United States of America! While some say that the right to keep and bear arms is granted to Americans by the Constitution, just the opposite is true : the existence of the federal government is granted by the citizens bearing arms, under limits set forth in the constitution"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> guy can't spell ;/ << transcriptionist couldn't spell.
mircea_popescu: srsly, professional transcriptomonkey doesn't know what a principal is ?
BingoBoingo: Was delivered to United States Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism orally
BingoBoingo: Compare that to the current US "alt-right" with its "Oath Keepers", MLM-scammers like Glenn Beck, and media social engineering like Trump
mircea_popescu: apparently the guy also came up with the theory japan bombed oklahoma because the us dumped sarin in tokyo ?
mircea_popescu: and was somehow kicked out of michigan / moved to alaska ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is glenn beck still selling overpriced gold rounds to suckers ?
BingoBoingo: And Rush Limbaugh is selling Identity theft protection and Cloud backup storage
BingoBoingo: Rush Limbuagh also does a lot of Apple product placement
BingoBoingo: Serisouly though, today's alt-right and militia movement almost exclusively communicates on Facebook.
BingoBoingo: Talk about a USG social engineering victory.
mircea_popescu: "6/18/94 -- Common-law ideologue Brian Knoff is surreptitiously recorded discussing a planned marijuana-smuggling operation through Cuba that he hopes will help to fund other Patriot activists."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and lo it came to pass that one man had sons, which he met because some women he knew introduced them. and those sons presently came upon him and said father, give us warhorses so we may be warriros, for you are a warrior yourself! and the man said better go and capture horses, for i am a warrior and i will soon die, and who'll give you warhorses then ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's the dilemma, isn't it : either die of ulcer like naggum or try and supress the nausea of being still alive with these schmucks all around like graham.
BingoBoingo: Or does gentoo not have drivers for your horse
BingoBoingo: I thought you meant horse as in your motor carriage needing a fuel filter
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Or does gentoo not have drivers for your horse <<< bwahahaha epic.
mircea_popescu: you'll end up with a coveted Kakobrekla Trophy for Dry Wit at this rate.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you'll end up with a coveted Kakobrekla Trophy for Dry Wit at this rate. << Well I'm still learning this whole "living as a dry person" business
BingoBoingo: It's amazing this whole doing something about a problem instead of drinking about a problem business
BingoBoingo: Also all the money I'm saving that can be put towards expenses like HODL, thermal grease, and batteries
mircea_popescu: i thought old people stole all the batteries they used.
BingoBoingo wondering if a catalytic cap for a lead acid battery valves would have the same function on FeNi
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mircea_popescu: o hey, is William Pierce actually the model for the old dude in american history x ?
mircea_popescu: December '97 -- Nearly 100 New York City employees, including some corrections officials, are arrested for using common-law "untaxing" kits to evade taxes.
mircea_popescu: 3/17/98 -- Two former New York City police officers become the last of 14 NYPD officers to be convicted in a tax evasion scheme. The two sold tax evasion kits from Patriot groups to other officers for up to $2,000 each.
mircea_popescu: "10/13/99 -- Members of the Southern Indiana Regional Militia meet with FBI agents as part of a government effort to defuse tensions between Patriots and officialdom."
mircea_popescu: "1/1/00 -- Despite Patriot expectations that the millennial date change will bring martial law or massive social collapse, nothing of the kind occurs."
mircea_popescu: "Being a race traitor, yet still tolerated by my pale fellows, I thought it was the least I could do." << how'd he get that ? fucked a black chick ? or what's racely treasonable activity ?
BingoBoingo: He hangs out with black people from time to time
mircea_popescu: "If I might compress a quarter-million years into a paragraph: For hundreds of thousands of years mankind developed along three paths, the African, the Neanderthal and the Disnovian. 74,000 years ago the Toba Super Eruption occurred, causing a six-year nuclear winter, which wiped out all but a couple thousand lucky Africans. I don’t know anything about the Disnovians. I do know that the Neanderthals across Europe and
mircea_popescu: North Asia took the nuclear winter in stride, as they were cold-adapted. By 70,000-40,000 years ago one particular group of Africans produced some killer genius whose genes are in us all. The Neanderthals were wiped out soon thereafter at the peak of a nasty ice age that they were best suited to deal with. They were murdered."
mircea_popescu: this is rank nonsense. for one thing, the cro-magnon did it, not some obscure "african".
BingoBoingo: Can't expect retail expert to be history expert
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