mircea_popescu: if you find something of interest feel free to genesis or w/e.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-28 20:35 diana_coman: why exactly interesting?
mircea_popescu: a most infuriating implementation of broken-by-design, ironically exactly the thing foss was supposed to prevent.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-28 20:43 asciilifeform: those come with the opensores gnat tho ( i was never able to get it to run, seems to only work on winblowz and shituntu )
mircea_popescu: why'd i have them do anything ? africa's fulla africans who don't go around pompously pretending they're white people.
mircea_popescu: also "what would you have moron do ???" "well, i didn't say he HAS to be wykeham professor of logic / chicago professor of constitutional law / whatever".
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 00:18 asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
mircea_popescu: there's really no rule there must be crap "made available" to "the public". a) there's no such thing as "the public" and b) srsly now. do it right or go the fuck home, tell wifey your troubles.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point you pursue would be A LOT more defensible among the honorable poor, people who say "we did this much and intend to do this much more when we can".
mircea_popescu: witness the reaction to the discussion of tcc very different to the reaction to this discussion of zcx.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no intention to comment on the "pro" whatever it is. the "authors" not in wot, item dun exist, wut do i care.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-28 20:47 asciilifeform: bvt: i started with the supposition that it was built for irons where there is no time slicer , but currently nfi whether this is so, or whether was simply a kludge for no particular reason
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-28#1899802 << this ties directly into above. it's not a problem of "these engineers did not do enough". it's not an engineering problem at all. it's 100% political, "these sorry schmucks passed themselves off for an authority they could never possibly be". this'll never wash, and in particular indigence is the worst possible plea they could bring. if they ALSO are poor then THEREFORE even LESS q
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-02-28 20:47 diana_coman: bvt, my understanding is that zcx said "this case is too complicated to even try to handle and why do you need it anyway, terrorist!"
mircea_popescu: "how dare you even call your aborted glob of misdesign SOMETHING AT ALL!" is the question. kids don't go around giving names to their lego constructions and then hacking everyone's gps to point to imaginary "City Of Wonderful Wonderments" 2x3 foot square.
mircea_popescu: argentines do this, and ima fucking napalm that shithole for it. because it just can't fucking be done, what "zcx" ? the name they were looking for is "snot".
a111: Logged on 2019-02-28 20:49 bvt: also, at least for vxworks, adacore for certified profiles supports only sjlj, while using zcx for non-certified use-cases
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 16:07 mircea_popescu: c. ada-?-musl-static is the standard, either zcx or sjlj is acceptable (mostly based on what threading philosophy one embraces), with an obvious preference for zcx if one doesn't thread.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:50 mircea_popescu: some time to look at things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked trinque
a111: Logged on 2019-02-28 20:59 bvt: i can try killing that code to see what happens -- i don't even understand why zcx won't just work, and there is no information on this problem in the whole internet
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 01:58 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-28#1899802 << this ties directly into above. it's not a problem of "these engineers did not do enough". it's not an engineering problem at all. it's 100% political, "these sorry schmucks passed themselves off for an authority they could never possibly be". this'll never wash, and in particular indigence is the worst possible plea they could bring. if they ALSO are poor then THEREFORE even LESS q
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, certain streaking (like say 4230 1324 or 4554 1606) seems incompatible with actual circuit layout
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 02:10 mircea_popescu: and speaking of that old discussion : let's remind the folk on
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897638 that there's relatively little point in being part of the lordship if one can't be arsed to at least say they don't wish to comment on some serious problem we run into.
trinque: probably there ought to be some euloran folks weighing in, maybe shinohai or someone tells us whether it can be built atop musl
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you believe you've lived to be doing the xraying to the bolix ?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:50 mircea_popescu: some time to look at things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked trinque
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 1 day, 8 hours, and 12 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i hate to become 'thread necromancer', but would really like a resolution of
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 & the related quandaries some time before i die of old age. plox to comment.
phf: asciilifeform: give me until end of march to resolve it one way or another, feel free to neg rate me then
☟︎ phf: this really has been a low priority item until i moved to russia, but now i'm stuck in secular hell, so this whole subject elicits only anger and i'd rather something good actually came out of it.
☟︎ bvt:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897636 << as long as i need userspace C code to run, I'll be happy to use musl. it's not bugs-free, but its bugs have very different nature than glibc's. i see no reason for keeping glibc on non-toiletboxes.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it already worx , afaik, on musl, ave1's gnat shits out strictly musl-static linkage.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 16:07 mircea_popescu: c. ada-?-musl-static is the standard, either zcx or sjlj is acceptable (mostly based on what threading philosophy one embraces), with an obvious preference for zcx if one doesn't thread.
bvt: i do not expect to see a lot of exceptions from sjlj
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 01:26 mircea_popescu: bvt certainly
bvt: mircea_popescu: i guess the message did not parse correctly. i'm not proposing c the programming language; i meant something similar to "option c" from the list of possibilities you outlined in thread
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897638 ☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:50 mircea_popescu: some time to look at things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked trinque
a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 16:19 diana_coman: to my mind option b has the benefit that it concentrates the effort in the right direction at least
spyked: re
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897638 , specifically glibc is gonna go from my machines once I encuntooate them. it's not yet clear to me how this will impact e.g. apache, which calls dlopen for its loadable modules thing. google didn't turn out anything on the subj either.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-02-17 15:50 mircea_popescu: some time to look at things and consider matters will be needed ; but i specifically want to hear something from asciilifeform ave1 bvt diana_coman phf spyked trinque
spyked: update re
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-26#1899440 : it's almost done, I'll document it and post the new archive sometime next week. long story short: the headers/footers are non-standard, so it's taken me a while to find the proper grep recipes.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-02-26 23:21 asciilifeform: !Q later tell spyked that gutenberg tarball -- didja get a chance to auto-kill all of the header liquishit ? i'd prefer to mirror a flensed copy, the 50kB of 'this text copyright wikitards(tm)(r)' is eyesore
spyked: but after about three semi-automated passes through the texts, I'm fairly confident I got most of the crap out
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 05:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you believe you've lived to be doing the xraying to the bolix ?
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 09:03 phf: this really has been a low priority item until i moved to russia, but now i'm stuck in secular hell, so this whole subject elicits only anger and i'd rather something good actually came out of it.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 15:09 spyked: re
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-17#1897638 , specifically glibc is gonna go from my machines once I encuntooate them. it's not yet clear to me how this will impact e.g. apache, which calls dlopen for its loadable modules thing. google didn't turn out anything on the subj either.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 15:18 spyked: but after about three semi-automated passes through the texts, I'm fairly confident I got most of the crap out
diana_coman: in good news, it seems that the static-only ave1-gnat builds itself fine (with the tarballs ofc so ultimately still relying on the corpse but at least that's frozen and the whole thing is NOT relying anymore on a deployed adacore)
diana_coman: re sjlj and zcx and apache - the current RK use would be the only iffy current situation re banning zcx
diana_coman: quite a bunch of issues on the arm it seems, yes
diana_coman: it cites the title + a few words from the page linked
a111: Logged on 2015-07-05 15:04 asciilifeform: 'Topic for #musl is:
http://www.musl-libc.org | Ask questions; treat others with respect; stop off-topic discussions for musl questions; do not publish logs; no sexism, homophobia, or other forms of asshattery.'
a111: Logged on 2019-03-01 17:09 asciilifeform: as i understand various folx use gnarly custom apache ( iirc mircea_popescu definitely ) and so it'll have to be massaged also
mircea_popescu: not that i don't admire efforts of people trying to make better web proxies ; but i think those efforts are slightly misdirected and grossly premature.
mircea_popescu: tcp, prospect of "wtf, mysql, postgres", prospect of wtf we do with xml, prospect of cl-php-replacement, prospects galore.
mircea_popescu: ftr, cuz this is interesting from a cultural history perspective : the "web", as an item in the socio-conceptual space, died ~with assange~, and not with wikipedia.
mircea_popescu: at its origin, it was envisaged as this cvasi-magical "perfect systematic solution to a large set of previously ununderstood problems". part and parcel of this, the (in retrospect) ridiculous blather of the wikitard as to the "human knowledge" and other
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850928 slash huxleyan nonsense, "transhumanism" blablabla.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: obviously wikipedia did not live up to any of those promises. but then again, the airplane, or the radio also did not live up to the hallucinant "promises" as perceived by early "idea men" "working" on the topics.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, airplane, or radio, unlike "the web" or "the ipod" or "the smartphone" have definite utility.
mircea_popescu: the whole wikileaks debacle demonstrated however not just that the web is not a thing, but rather that the libertard concept of "civil society" is actually ~a myth~ rather than an object
mircea_popescu: much like the much earlier version libertard's notion of "god" or the classical libertard's notion of "freedom"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was, from a technologically perspective, about on par with the canvas-wing biplane.
mircea_popescu: ie, yes stillborn from birth, from an engineering pov. but these can and actually are fixed, if there's ideological substance.
mircea_popescu: speaking of a minor point above : mp tried to find slut an ipod, so she can listen to music while woprking out. mp discovered ~ipod item no longer exists~, not at used electronic shops, NOT AT POND SHOPS.
mircea_popescu: mp was very confused. then mp was de-confused, by seller in stall in mall : here, this tiny little thing, it's an mp3 player.
mircea_popescu: "o holy shit, THIS is why ipod no longer exists -- it never fucking did."
mircea_popescu: because it never fucking did. it was temporarily "a thing", in the sense of, hyped up ~name~ for a category, about as inconsequential as whatever other name.
mircea_popescu: "Tucker mentioned possible Oscar nomination for the script, more than $200M at the box office and revolutionizing Hollywood." sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: ipod was a thing like ipad was a thing, or like groupon was a thing : no sort of thing
mircea_popescu: which is my point here : ipod is not a thing to be, much like "american cuisine" is not a thing to be.
mircea_popescu: and yes, back when mp was 12, that thing was the coolest of pubescent sex paraphenalia. YOU COULD OFFER A GIRL THE OTHER EARBUD!!11
mircea_popescu: notice if you would the very star wars - esque look of the imagological artefact associated.
mircea_popescu: the cable of that earbud doing that rounded corners thing ? totally.
mircea_popescu: only way to get ac in body armor is to go full hydraulic walking suit.
mircea_popescu: i actually expect this will be a thing, did you see the very good walking robots they have now ?
a111: Logged on 2015-03-26 20:43 asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
BingoBoingo: The police here are so much more pleasant than back home. Even in small town USA(TM)(R) new recruit cops would stop me during late night/early morning walks to ask what I was doing. Here if the police even care to address me, nothing more needs to be said than the traditional exchange of "todo bien? todo bien."
BingoBoingo: Or if I am feeling fancy "todo bien, gracias"
mircea_popescu: the deeply "big zone bipedals ain't more human than any other cattle" feel of the pice is indicative. not of "police brutality", tho.
BingoBoingo: Everyone in the US I've met that worked a "public contact/customer service" position has the same epiphany. None of them think humanity is bad or democracy unworkable, they fatlogic that everyone else is exactly as same age/gender/human as they are.
mircea_popescu: "Durkan proposed the incentive program last month, saying Seattle needs to jump into the nationwide competition for experienced police officers. Her plan came at a time when historically low unemployment and retirements of baby boomer officers, combined with high housing costs and a negative image of policing nationwide, are said to be driving competition for recruits regionally and nationally."
mircea_popescu: potheads "policing" potheads shall be a comedy goldmine of lulz and tears in the not so distant future.
BingoBoingo: Well they do ask more of of some demographics compared to others in the name of equalitit
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not enough age out cannon fodder left. They are filling up the USG tech jobs with their clearances.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-13 01:27 asciilifeform: it's funny , when asciilifeform went to 'museum of communism' in timis, pawed through buncha ancient lulzlit there, and photo'd 'a la minox' to read through laters and chew on the 'limba de lemn'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no such thing left. i know it's difficult to conceptualize, but it's nevertheless true. there is no such thing as an us army.
mircea_popescu: if korea decided to invade, and somehow managed to land, korea would just jail the president & congress and that's all.
mircea_popescu: back in vietnam, they had a fucking DRAFT (and still lost)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: PnoHes killed the farm boys
mircea_popescu: die nothing. they'll sit in ac containers and "train" or w/e blather.
mircea_popescu: their real value hasn't come up yet! they can't fucking die!
mircea_popescu: if you're willing to feed and clothe and billet them to play video games all day and totally not take their smartphone to red zone, they'll do it. you can call them astronauts or soldiers or whatever you want (as long as it's not stupid fucking cunts or anything like that).
mircea_popescu: the moron that "accidentally got shot" during the bitcoin-somethingawful "debates" of yore was playing eve up to the very moment of taking one up the ass.
a111: Logged on 2014-07-27 21:29 asciilifeform: if i recall, last words were 'enemy is at the gates. they've opened fire, oh shi....'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i ~suspect~ without having done the math that the doped nature of the si crystal makes the picture too noisy to be usable.
mircea_popescu: but afaik this hasn't been seriously tried since diana_coman did it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you don't get to distinguish ~one from another~.
mircea_popescu: crystallography generally works poorly on microfractured crystals, which is what this'd be.
mircea_popescu: but again, i've not sat down with maths for this, just first pass "you got any suspicions ?" thing.
mircea_popescu: no, i'm saying, this is the problem. if you don't have sufficient crystalline surface to provide separation, you end up with the microequivalent of a disco ball.
mircea_popescu: but it's the web, you know, instant access to all human knowledge.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-05 08:22 mircea_popescu: heh check it out, mark karpeles idling in #musl.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-25 17:05 mircea_popescu: in any case, in 2011, as in 2001, as in 2021 i can say "academia romana keks" or
http://trilema.com/2011/stimata-academie/ whatever ; but they can't say "trilema.com", because holy shit.
a111: Logged on 2014-12-08 05:33 mircea_popescu: "Sunt fondatorul uneia din cele mai mari retele de bloguri de nisa din Romania (Stepout Media), cu siteuri precum: www.construimimperii.ro," i am the founder of one of the biggest niche networks in romania, with sites such as webuildempires
mircea_popescu: romanian bloggers, i swear. showing up years late to a party they can't even describe.
mircea_popescu: there's this iconic moment at the peak of "caritas" (cluj-based MMM pyramid) where an old man in traditional peasant garb asked me on a bridge "if i know where's this place where they give money for free".
mircea_popescu: i retorted to him that if by this age he hasn't yet figured out such a place doesn't exist, there's no helping him.
mircea_popescu: and yet, i keep encountering this apparently archetipical romanian -- coming up late to a party he can't even describe.