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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902474 << all signs point to ballas having been lost to literal drinking. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 14:32 asciilifeform: ( i dunno if al schwartz drank, but may as well )
BingoBoingo: In http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-12#1901502 The chicken video is online https://gfycat.com/understatedsameamericankestrel ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 16:36 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: eh folx are still waiting for the vid from the pentagon parking lot cams on '9/11'
BingoBoingo: https://giant.gfycat.com/UnderstatedSameAmericankestrel.webm
BingoBoingo: And in the unsafety of safe spaces https://archive.is/4hqgF
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902591 << i gotta ask, why spurious ? ro kalash fires a++ . ro made (sad, sovok, but) working autos (even with 4cycle motor, i.e. not trabant), pumped own petrol, ran yes reactors, didn't depend on foreign 'experts' and fear 'sanctions' and sit under curse of http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/#selection-23.0-31.529 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 23:20 mircea_popescu: so no "tranzitie" bullshit whatsoever : we're gonna have to cut all the spurious "industry" in name only, and cut all the fucktards who depend of it. and IT WAS DONE. and it was done as hard and fast as it ~could~ be done, witness the whole "miners invading capital" lulz during radu vasile.
mircea_popescu: what is now alro was one of the largest bauxite processing plants in europe. it cost ~over 8k ~~~1980~~~ usd to make a ton of aluminum there, and this at romania's EXTREMELY CHEAP hydro power rates.
mircea_popescu: you're thinking of the survivors. romania had ~9x more industry than you can summon to mind.
asciilifeform: in fact, genius shoemaker pissed right into the mouth of the 'comcon' sanctions, bought semiconductor fab line straight from ti
mircea_popescu: romania mined coal that was not worth transporting.
mircea_popescu: romania made train engines nobody would buy, and train cars that it could not use.
asciilifeform: i saw depot with pretty ragged looking locomotives in timis. seems like for 'trains nobody would', they still run?
asciilifeform: saw running 'dacias' too
mircea_popescu: yes, at 30mph.
mircea_popescu: this was obsolete in 1920.
asciilifeform: on one hand yes; on other, 'ford' from 2009 dun run nao ~at all, not 20 not 10.
asciilifeform: cuz , see, 'computer needs replace'
asciilifeform: (actual report from old colleague, who went through series of ameri-autos that dutifully expired just as he paid off the credit, and didn't seem to teach him any)
mircea_popescu: and the list goes on. romania made more phospo-nitrogen fertilizer than the us currently uses -- and it cost to make about twice what anyone'd pay.
mircea_popescu: and so the fuck on.
asciilifeform: cost-to-make in what ? i thought 'all time is burned time'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you want me to say ? "if atomic winter came then 1980s ro industry would be good" ? these if dun work.
asciilifeform: they didn't have to cut open that gold mountain, to make it, neh
asciilifeform: just put the whip to some bodies
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cost to make in "just sell the natgas at bekescsaba, rather than send to azomures"
asciilifeform: this is where ru nao is
asciilifeform: result is that 'foreigners came to shores, leave bastards in charge, soon yer people forgotten' etc
mircea_popescu: ie, cubic meter of raw gas worth 10, cubic meter of gas processed by azomures, worth 6.
mircea_popescu: as the workers weren't willing (nor even able) to PAY to play, their very expensive playground got cancelled.
asciilifeform: rright but 'worth' aint a scalar
mircea_popescu: yes, romanians thought "theyt're working". they were playing, 9 cases out of 10.
asciilifeform: what is worth of being able to say fuckyou to washington , zurich, berlin, put together ?
asciilifeform: that's what refining it yerself on ww2-era gear buys
mircea_popescu: apparently it's worth something for no more than ~decade.
mircea_popescu: there's a time-decay function to it.
mircea_popescu: gotta start doing ~something~ besides saying "fuckyou" to parents, is the fundamental lesson of all adolescence.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> yes, romanians thought "theyt're working". they were playing, 9 cases out of 10. << One of the bigger cleaning product consortiums recently pulled production out of Uruguay. Easier to ship packaged retail ready from Mexico than water down and bottle in the labor environment here.
asciilifeform: per logic of the 'spherical horse' market(tm)(r) mircea_popescu is 100% correct. but the 'market' aint one when there's derps printing money, it's simply a larger sovok
asciilifeform: that decided it has ~0 use for the little sovok it ate
mircea_popescu: and the low skill, low productivity, worthless workforce ain't no fucking joke, either. you can say "ceausescu made wrong call, bet on oil, prices changed, he lost". the THING however is, ceausescu made bet in 66, plans called for plants to be done by 69, they were done by 74.
mircea_popescu: can just as well say "far seeing leader sabotaged by inept idiocy of workers"
mircea_popescu: had they actually been done on fucking time, they might've paid for themselves as the plans planned.
mircea_popescu: but as it was, medgidia NEVER was profitable.
mircea_popescu: well, until sold in late 90s, anyway
asciilifeform: i dunno that, e.g., belomor canal, was also ever 'profitable'. but also suspect that it is not good metric. ( was t34 factory profitable ? what's the ev of a t34? )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the world that is is the world that is. one must close all cycles in it, one can't simply go "oh, we'll keep going the insolvent '''right way'''."
mircea_popescu: either be solvent or stfu.
asciilifeform: gaddafi was massively solvent until suddenly 'oops'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we're not discussing that. this was peacetime economy, and the ~only product of its working was more per-capita laziness.
asciilifeform: and he delivered his petro 100% ontime
mircea_popescu: ye, the ONLY measurably increasing output of running the 1980s state economy was an increase of per-capita laziness, uselessness, and personal sense of entitlement of the "worker"
asciilifeform: i suspect the bulk mass of 'worker' is similarly lazy errywhere (possibly excepting jp and other oddities)
mircea_popescu: certainly in every socialism.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the point stands -- either close your cycles or die.
mircea_popescu: in fact, ro 1980s and us 2010s are so fucking similar it blows one's mind.
asciilifeform: aint that whole point of 'autarky' 'we dun care if you won't buy this petrol, we refine it for own trabants and fuckyou with hot poker' -- to close cycle ?
asciilifeform: why does 'close cycle' have to involve j00z in zurich ?
mircea_popescu: "what is the end product of Qx ?" "well... more of the workforce came late more often, missed more days, and feels should have larger salary and less work to do"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it doesn't. but it is also very easy to measure unclosed cycles : as they leak, the black market widens.
mircea_popescu: by the time they cut the pig, official rate was <20:1, black market was >100:1
asciilifeform: i dun think there's a modernistan without massive blackmarket (i.e. comparable in mass to the 'white')
mircea_popescu: yet you can't buy the dollar for 0.00005 btc anywhere. it's the same 0.00025 everywhere.
asciilifeform: interesting, btw, detail : stalin, seems, mostly closed eyes to black market. the idjit 'let's actually practice what preach' thing began in earnest with hrusch.
mircea_popescu: i don;'t mean the black market in goods. i mean the financial black market.
asciilifeform: aa like the ru pegging lulz
asciilifeform: 'dollar is worth 16 rub' thing
mircea_popescu: this is the true measure of unclosed cycles, you understand ? if your local currency is dropping, it is always dropping under the pressure of unclosed cycles
mircea_popescu: specifically meaning, resources you misallocated into making less-useful-than-possible end products.
asciilifeform: how do i distinguish this from the pressure of a miami tho
mircea_popescu: what do you mean ?
mircea_popescu: that's precisely what it is, the measuring of the pressure of a miami nearby.
mircea_popescu: IF your autarky workls, THEREFORE there's no possibility of miami.
mircea_popescu: eg, our autarky works, nobody here sits wistfully dreaming of reading i dunno, #linux logs.
mircea_popescu: but 1980s ro autarky did not work.
asciilifeform: i distinctly recall a thread where mircea_popescu explained 'stupid wants to go and be with other stupid'. i.e. buncha derps in ro considered 'freedom' to be 'go shopping in vienna'
mircea_popescu: (and this is why closed borders is a very fucktarded policy -- you obviously WANT to let the idiots out. the only problem commies encountered was that if they opened the borders, the idiots'd have ~stayed~. which is already indicative of the breakage.)
mircea_popescu: so no, while in theory appealing, this theoretical autarky is not at all how things worked in the practice we're discussing. they had unclosed cycles galore, and there had to be a solution, AND they were in no measure to produce the solution.
mircea_popescu: regime change was dialectically inevitable.
asciilifeform: this i'll buy. as surely as the amerinds were doomed to 'buy' the beads.
mircea_popescu: one of the earliest documented cases of miami.
mircea_popescu: there's a ~reason~ miami "pressures" latin ameritards, but period "london" did not in the slightest impress 1880s chinese.
mircea_popescu: china was net silver importer by the megatonne, for this exact reason, "what fucking miami, keks"
asciilifeform: imho the interesting detail re 1989 was that ~these~ particular 'settlers' were already descended to approx the amerind stage, and sold ~entirely hollow beads.
mircea_popescu: chicks wanted jeans, what. because miner garb is SO COOL OMG.
mircea_popescu: in retrospect, they weren't even lying, you should see them, 100% in the shit.
mircea_popescu: lest their cunts fly off or who knows what's going on in the noggin.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform had entirely same 'eyes melt' experience when went to ameri-foodstore for 1st coupla times. today i spend good money at shop that loox exactly like what well-stocked one in sovok did in 1985. and not in 'dazzling variety' where cornsyrupinerrything.
asciilifeform: the beads -- were hollow.
asciilifeform: and made of grass.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/grozavia-dintre-femei-si-fete/#selection-56.0-56.1 << item.
asciilifeform: wassat?
mircea_popescu: buncha chicks in jeans, cca 2010.
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: just what granny wanted so, SO bad.
asciilifeform never had a jeans and still doesn't, possibly wrong man to comment
mircea_popescu: they weren't lying, they wanted the shit. what for, who knows, but there it is.
asciilifeform: this prolly deserves a trilema/kink-high link
asciilifeform: but i'd be lying if i said that i grasp 'kink high'
mircea_popescu: only thing i see was literally, they were afraid their cunts will fly off.
mircea_popescu: there's this "stealing nose" kiddy interaction trope from the period, adults pretending to steal kids' noses.
asciilifeform: i dun understand wai someone would spend fat bux to put on sack cloth
mircea_popescu: i guess it took ?
asciilifeform: wouldja wear sack cloth mircea_popescu ? if didn't have to for some odd costume party setup ?
mircea_popescu: well yes, if i did any shaft mining, i'd buy some pairs of jeans.
asciilifeform: shaft mining overall sure.
asciilifeform: i have one for certain works.
asciilifeform: q is re the 'feeling like a trader'(tm)(r)(ballas) simulacrum
mircea_popescu: i dunno why i'd wanna feel like a miner, tbh.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, for his part, dun want ; nor wants plastic obummer-years bmw, nor crapple
asciilifeform: i dun even know if the chix 'want to feel like miner', i suspect the higher nervous system aint even involved in the sense where they 'want' anyffin but to look-like-neighbour
mircea_popescu: i thought you had apples.
asciilifeform: a la http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-507.65-507.989
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's some kind of psychological comfort somewhere. the same kind of femherd cowsies keep pestering my slaves about how "they gotta get jeans" as pester them about "omg your purse is open"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have all sortsa thing, for use in whoring to keep lights on.
asciilifeform: not only crapples.
mircea_popescu: i literally believe they feel their cuntal purse is open or somesuch
asciilifeform: i dun display'em for public, cuz wtf, i dun post pictures of the shits i take either
asciilifeform: possib
mircea_popescu: (indistinctly, same applies to teh bois. in fact, they have it worse, lotta difficulty involved in securing a cunt you know is there but can't even see)
asciilifeform: the bois will buy even less tangible brooklyn bridges, e.g. maffs phd
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'femherd pester', iirc you had a piece where 'see, like chicken, they gotta send SYN, get ACK, coo-coo, how else to know that fox hasn't yet eaten'
mircea_popescu: but no, i dun own any jeans. actually, hit up the local specialist in gentleman items (run by this very nice old lady, whom, when she dies, that is IT for dressing in costa rica). two suits, four extra pairs of pants, four shirts, a tie, a dozen socks and a pair of pijamas. all natural fiber, look fetching on me too. took like a fucking hour, and a brick of cash, but honestly i can't think of a way i could have spent the hour
mircea_popescu: or the brick better.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they do this weird thing where they poke (literally, with finger) girl walking by me to get her attention then "omg your purse is open!!!". fucking weird as all hell.
mircea_popescu: somehow, however, this isn't "acoso callejero". dudes poking them to "hey, my dick's here", that never happens. confusion reigns.
asciilifeform: i'm not even mircea_popescu but spent moar on natural fiber i suspect than on comp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw do you flame-test 'em ?
mircea_popescu: on occasion.
asciilifeform: afaik aint no way to fool the lit match litmus.
mircea_popescu: woman's in my wot, what, she's gonna stiff me.
asciilifeform: her no, upstream yes
mircea_popescu: nah, old networks survive here. egyptian cotton still exists, peruvian cotton still exists, there's a lot going on in the real world, ie, outside us concentration camp.
asciilifeform: neato.
mircea_popescu: i have doubts it'll survive the passing of the current generation, the girlies in the shop are utterly confused at proceedings that seem only natural to her and me, but what can you do.
asciilifeform as sits here, meanwhile pet attempts to replicate ro/sovok cake with ameri-findable ingredients
asciilifeform: ^ verily it's quite like asciilifeform's 'i'ma make a bolix', in ways
mircea_popescu: i hope she gets to die with it ; honestly other than me the only other customers are pretentious middle aged women buying 20 bux worth of presents with credit cards and the occasional ranchero getting a funeral suit or w/e.
asciilifeform: apparently the miami's working
mircea_popescu: what do the idiots know.
asciilifeform: that's the thing you can't buy on 'market' -- sumthing resembling taste. ameri-food seems like a deal to folx who have nfi what even edible means
asciilifeform: 'wai spend 10 on milk when fdr-milk is 3'
asciilifeform: i watched repeatedly with dropped jaw as folx with no shortage of moola ate ameri-cheese, entirely voluntarily, and regularly
mircea_popescu: that's not even it. whole bunch of tards, "oh, this bottle of champagne is great, $5000". as a factual matter no bottle of fizzy is genuinely worth that much. not anything you'd drink, anyway. what';s worse, if i pour that and random bottom shelf stuff they couldn't tell them apart. half the time can't tell bicarb fizz apart.
asciilifeform: picture e.g. cat who prefers that dried liquishit the ameritards feed the poor animals, to tuna
asciilifeform: aint no such, right
mircea_popescu: ie, there's a whole lotta aspirational buying and scant else besides.
mircea_popescu: he dun want a bottle to enjoy with his private, personal, wholly owned whores. he want a bottle to drink by himself and feel JUST LIKE nigger in x movie.
asciilifeform: they'll pay the 5k for sticker yes. and then 50k for plastic bmw to sit in while drink.
mircea_popescu: somethinglikethat.
asciilifeform: 'feel like a trader'(tm)(r)(ballas)
mircea_popescu: so, they end up buying plastic pret a porter sacks for whatever they wanna spend, and me an' my remnant friend can discuss sartreria.
asciilifeform: aaha
asciilifeform: but where to get hat!
mircea_popescu: colombia, mine.
asciilifeform: ( y'know, ~that~ hat, the 'bolix' hat, from old mircea_popescu piece , 'last loom broke' )
mircea_popescu: anyway, all this is a great advantage to me (while the fuel lasts, i guess). i'm always the only one in the shop, everyone's always got all the time in the world, "we love to serve", the taylor doesn't even need to measure me because ~he remembers~.
mircea_popescu: because how wouldn't he even, not like he's beseiged by alternative measures.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno i wanna wear a tophat. imo i'm not quite pearshaped enough for it as of yet.
asciilifeform: lol granted
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu single-handedly feeds the tailor tho, situation moar dire than i thought
asciilifeform: i thought there were at least a coupla platoons' worth of mircea_popescus in mircea_popescustan
mircea_popescu: i never saw anyone else there, besides as i said, 40yo middle class wife buying a present or else a ranchero dood (looking just like maduro, most of the time in canadian workshirt and jeans) buying "occasion"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if they are, they're well hidden. let alone i never ran into one -- wouldn't you expect they'd proposition one of my cunts at some point ?
asciilifeform: maybe they run 'closed cycle'
mircea_popescu: i mean, not in a week, ok, not in a month, ok, YEARS ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never heard of this. if it worked, i'd run it too. what, fuck my sister ?
asciilifeform: i wouldn't propose to know. i know moar about how to refine petrol than about what mircea_popescus ecosystem like
mircea_popescu: human reproduction is precisely the ONE non closed-cycle. even "self-sufficient" rome invited the occasional sabine over for drinks
asciilifeform: lol i wasn't thinking in the 'fuck sisters' vein but 'import own chix'. ( as iirc mircea_popescu wrote about doing in ro, 'locals unfuckable' or how went the piece )
mircea_popescu: but judging from the sorry state of bars / strip clubs / nightlife in general, i do not believe so.
asciilifeform: nuts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i still said hi to evident top ticket items in the street.
asciilifeform: then i got nuffin.
asciilifeform: most of what i know re the other non-aboriginal folx in cr , comes from mircea_popescu's casino piece
mircea_popescu: i don't dispute there's the occasional tico with some dough. but i'm pretty sure they're saving it up and hitting the disneyworlkd mcdonalds.
asciilifeform: and from meeting several folx similar to the protagonists thereof
asciilifeform: miamiworld lol
asciilifeform: 1 enigma in asciilifeform's head : how the fuck does ~1~ trip to miamimecca not cure
asciilifeform: so ok, they go to lolmart. and 'dazzled by variety'. but then at some point they gotta buy the 'food' and try put in mouth
BingoBoingo: Well, how long did it take mircea_popescu to go from "Imma get citizenship here someday" to "Only coming back with spears" re: Argentina
BingoBoingo: Some places illusion well until inspected
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: he took iirc the 2 mo., as incidentally described by the 'ru argentina' d00d i linked to last mo. he wrote that ~100% of ru expats go from 'i want to be buried in recoleta' to 'burn it all' in ~2mo.
BingoBoingo: So, how is orc supposed to investigate Miama when they have at most two weeks?
asciilifeform: could try eating a bite of 'food' for instance
asciilifeform: that really imho oughta do the trick
asciilifeform: or he could try company of ameri-chix
asciilifeform: or... but why ruin appetites
mircea_popescu: (and speaking of "luxury", romania's ex-minister woman that the hubbub was about recently, "Rumanas vivían entre lujos" lived in a pretty shitty apt in rohrmoser, which is a sort of... auburndale, i guess ?
BingoBoingo: I don't think you've seen the crap Latinos eat when left to own devices
mircea_popescu: https://www.diarioextra.com/Noticia/detalle/378184/anulan-sentencia-de-exministra-rumana << incidentally, she walks.
asciilifeform: what, guinea pigs ? perfectly fine meat neh
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, the places where they have choices
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're trained from childhood to atrophy own sense.
asciilifeform: moar than the ameri-sads ?!
mircea_popescu: "believe what you hear, not what you see", right ? gotta fit in.
mircea_popescu: bout same. there's no substantial difference, catholics.
asciilifeform: mebbe centralamericas. but when in BingoBoingostan i went into a gigantic open-air http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902697 equiv. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 02:14 asciilifeform: asciilifeform had entirely same 'eyes melt' experience when went to ameri-foodstore for 1st coupla times. today i spend good money at shop that loox exactly like what well-stocked one in sovok did in 1985. and not in 'dazzling variety' where cornsyrupinerrything.
asciilifeform: 100% edible.
asciilifeform: ~those~ orcs moar like ro than like that.
asciilifeform: somehow, have working taste buds, or seem to
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Those were the better cut.
BingoBoingo: There's a worse cut here
mircea_popescu: you know, over here they stuff themselves with "chicharron".
mircea_popescu: which is almost exactly hamburger "meat"
mircea_popescu: ~fried pork rinds.
asciilifeform: ugh
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> somehow, have working taste buds, or seem to << The Peruana is much better at composing flavors into food than I am, but... her sense of smell just might be weaker than mine
asciilifeform: odd, for a chix, they're supposed to have good nose
BingoBoingo: Here it's torta frita. I'd go for some pork rinds. Like in old country
mircea_popescu: in any case, the one thing contemporary tard is trained for, is to NOT make decisions and NOT decide investments.
mircea_popescu: it's, literally, TOO MUCH WORK, to dislike miami.
mircea_popescu: recall that scammy fuckwit graham's piece about how "talking is too much trouble" ?
asciilifeform: it'd be, iguess, like to ask christian to stop believing in gate of heaven
asciilifeform: 'but then what for!!'
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-start-your-own-country-adnotated/#selection-133.0-133.510 << item
asciilifeform bbl, ffaisms then bed
mircea_popescu: auburndale << auburndale, queens, for the record.
mircea_popescu: kinda-sorta-nothingmuch.
mircea_popescu shall finally offer http://trilema.com/2011/mircea-eliade/#selection-43.0-43.498 to round off the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902603 lulz. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 23:42 mircea_popescu: ault. this is what the mass-romanian is and does, nobody is needed to "do it to him", much like nobody's needed to drag shit into lelea saveta's cunt. she does it, by herself, every time she wipes.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in today's installment of "how to fuck over internet scholars" : take the chunk popper attributes to kant ("I do not wish to hide the fact that I can only look with repugnance . . upon the puffed-up pretentiousness of all these volumes filled with wisdom, such as are fashionable nowadays. For I am fully satisfied that . . the accepted methods must endlessly increase these follies and blunders, and that even the com
mircea_popescu: plete annihilation of all these fanciful achievements could not possibly be as harmful as this fictitious science with its accursed fertility.") and have them source teh original german.
mircea_popescu: whole internet fulla references to a purely imaginary object, that ironically enough discusses... ITSELF.
mircea_popescu: then they wonder why sokal had ~0 measurable impact. duh.
mircea_popescu: was it the prolegomene ? no such wonder there. was it then the kritik, ~only book anyone can even name anyway ? mnope. WHAT COULD IT BE!!!
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902641 -> "noi ne facem ca muncim, ei se fac ca ne platesc" (we pretend we work, they pretend they pay us); so I'd say it was more the case that there were a few actually working and all the rest being clever; just like now in a different socialism. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 02:00 mircea_popescu: yes, romanians thought "theyt're working". they were playing, 9 cases out of 10.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902694 -> I always thought jeans were cowboy stuff, not miner; and at least initially part of the "waiting for the americans" i.e. a tribute to an imagined greatness; how it morphed afterwards into an uniform I have no idea. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 02:14 mircea_popescu: chicks wanted jeans, what. because miner garb is SO COOL OMG.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902744 -> I never understood why can't the new ones be *trained* ; esp since it's not like they are sososo busy that they can't use the time and learn something at work. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 02:31 mircea_popescu: i have doubts it'll survive the passing of the current generation, the girlies in the shop are utterly confused at proceedings that seem only natural to her and me, but what can you do.
diana_coman: ftr in my experience it's not only a lack of practical experience but literally, they have no real idea re what they are supposedly selling, it's all the same to them, what.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i do not believe so.
mircea_popescu: this "i could do work ~if i wanted to~" is the unconvincing bullshit spewing quite naturally out of any inept narcissist since before the invention of the word.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, re what?
diana_coman: ah, it wasn't that they could do work, no; it was that they knew they did not it
diana_coman: did not do it.
mircea_popescu: in ACTUAL FACT, romanian worker of the 80s got ~120% the value of his labour, by an over-welfarist government, wrote himself hallucinated options to consider this "insufficient" to an entirely ridiculous standard, and proceeded from there with a web of lies.
mircea_popescu: this tendency perpetuated past the shooting, and is visible in eg http://trilema.com/2010/piinea-amara-a-baietasilor-de-cartier/#selection-35.0-47.232
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, no argument there, lol.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, instead of saying "the party is ~exactly truthful~ in what we ~falsely~ call propaganda, and we are making here WAY the fuck more than we could anywhere else, and without it we'd be exactly like zaire", they came up with bs.
mircea_popescu: so no, it's not "ei se X, noi ne Y". it's very much the other way around : noi ne Z (=ne cacam pe noi), ei fac ce pot sa se prefaca ca de fapt nu.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, note that I worded it precisely in *that* order, starting with "noi ne" . I don't know what/who you are arguing there, lol.
mircea_popescu: well, not you, lol. just tryina put the implicit explicitly for the innocent reader.
mircea_popescu: the important part, to my eyes, is to underscore that the "being clever" was NOT, as the "clever" in question silently ie implicitly misrepresent, a case of "choice", ie, "seeing how little i get paid i react thusly". the "clever" in question was very much what such "clever" ever is : "seeing what a fucktard i am, this is what i could pretend is '''really''' going on to not have to confront it".
diana_coman: linking it back up, the breakup of the cosy place for the clever idler was I suspect precisely what they meant by "mean" in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902449 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 09:56 spyked: diana_coman, I suspect this was mostly a case of "revision is well-received, but don't change anything"; which is why iliescu/fsn had so much support and average derp saw the taranisti as "way too mean" (no idea precisely what "mean" means, that's what I've been told)
mircea_popescu: fuck, the exact process is visible both among a subset of trilema commenters during the romanian years and superset of other-romanian-bloggers, then as now.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman quite so, definitely.
asciilifeform: reminded me of old interesting tidbit http://trilema.com/2017/%D0%9A%D1%82%D0%BE-%D1%82%D1%8B-%D0%BF%D0%BE-%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B8/#selection-393.0-397.127
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I'm quite sure it's clearly visible in today's western socialism too.
diana_coman: not as if it's specific romanian this, sadly.
mircea_popescu: re the "cowboy stuff" : all the us "wild west" stuff is a cheap and quick daghuerotype after spanish traditions of the time. this is visible if one studies say the horse working (this is a term of art) as practiced in spanish-speaking lands comparatively to english-speaking lands. everything is visibly a model to scale, and to this day the cultural overwhelm of spanish lands in all fields related is overwhelming.
mircea_popescu: in ~this sense~ us cowboy started wearing ~a little~ denim as the west states textile industry developped. originally it was miner garb. then it was extended to make tent sheet for army. THEN it was taken by cowboy to replace the much more expensive LEATHER the spanish were wearing.
mircea_popescu: this said, the french (and somewhat italian, hence all their lolwesterns) 50s/60s "wild west" fixation did in fact produce an abstract (and not much related to any reality) euro-cowboy, sure.
asciilifeform: ddr also filmed surprisingly large pile of lulwesterns ('easterns' to aficionados)
mircea_popescu: aha. and french period mags for kids are fulla "indian-sympathy" pieces (the french had a very unique take to the gibbering nations among colonial powers, they wanted to make america a sorta africa, "continue traditions undisturbed")
mircea_popescu: who's to say it wouldn't have been better, tbh. note how the "equal to capitol" german colony they ended up ~is very much reverting~. they got the matriarchy back, they got the stupid-lazy-itsok back, hard to distinguish today's "american" from yesterday's cherokee.
mircea_popescu: one could argue all those gunslingers died in vain.
mircea_popescu: the west states << obv i mean east states, penn, ny, mass & co
mircea_popescu: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=al-khadhulu << in other keks.
asciilifeform: lol i remember that site, was popular before 'www game' state of art converged to lolcat
asciilifeform: 2000s. i had nfi still existed.
mircea_popescu: i am actually clicking through choices here lol.
asciilifeform: i'd like to request 5min of mircea_popescu wearing papal regalia . ch17 ffa , as perhaps was clear from http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902386 , has a control-transfer stack ( for loops & subroutines . ) it, like errything else, is nonheapistic, therefore has a fixed size. currently set to 256. this constant gotta be nailed down. is 256 enuff? too small? too big ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 01:51 asciilifeform: !A .5:[Foo].3:[Bar].1-",_.1-",_
asciilifeform: would like to discuss before i sign the ch
mircea_popescu: 256 bytes ?
asciilifeform: entries
asciilifeform: they hold tape positions (these are of bus width)
mircea_popescu: so basically 256 bytes / 1024 octets
asciilifeform: 256 * 64bit on this particular machine, e.g.
asciilifeform: ( on a 32bit, 256 * 32bit , etc )
asciilifeform: this means you can have e.g. 256 nested loops, 256 levels of subroutine calling subroutine, etc
mircea_popescu: right, 256 bytes aka 1024 octets on 32 bit machines and 2048 octets in 64 bit machines.
asciilifeform: ( ffa does not deal directly in octets , the smallest access to storage is in unit of bus width. hence endianism-free )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think 256 is perfectly defensible. should be obvious what knob to twiddle for less or more anyway, admitting either one's trying to make ffa fit into tiny embed or use it for who knows what unforeseen purpose on large machines.
asciilifeform: it's a knob aha.
asciilifeform: thing is, if you turn this knob, you can write a tape that's incompatible with someone who hasn't turned
asciilifeform: hence gotta standardize
asciilifeform: recursion is incidentally prohibited, so there aint much point imho in gigantic controlstack
asciilifeform: orig. i had it set to 8, but decided that's unjustifiably spartan
asciilifeform: at one time i was considering to make it adjustable on cmdline, but already have 4 params the user must give ( fz bitness, datastack height, max 'life' , and tapespace len ) and that's already much, calculating exact footprint for given invocation already requires thought
asciilifeform: ( for n00bs/readers -- ffa has fully deterministic memory footprint, by design, and 100% of what it'll use, lives on the stack, e.g. under unixlikes, setbrk() is not invoked )
asciilifeform: anyway if neither mircea_popescu nor anyone else files an objection today, it'll be 256 ( at least for the next few chapters ) .
mircea_popescu: i think it's fine as it is.
asciilifeform: aite
asciilifeform: btw , crib sheet for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902386 -- ':' puts current position on control stack; ',' pops a fz from datastack , a tape pos from controlstack, and if the fz was nonzero, control is transferred to the popped pos. ';' simply pops the next pos from controlstack. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 01:51 asciilifeform: !A .5:[Foo].3:[Bar].1-",_.1-",_
asciilifeform: ( ';' is meant to be used with subroutines (ch18) but can also be used to make 'infinite' loop, as illustrated in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902388 . 'life' being typically finite, program still halts ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-14 01:52 asciilifeform: !A :[Ho];
asciilifeform: controlstack is over- and under-flow proof , similarly to the data stack from ch4-16.
asciilifeform: this is 'forth-like' just like the rest of the mechanism.
asciilifeform: the applicable traditional mathematical model for peh is 'turing with finite tapes'(tm)
asciilifeform: to use ,/; as 'goto' is stylistically prohibited, if tape leaves control stack nonempty at the end of the life, operator gets a warning.
asciilifeform: ( moar spoilers : the other added item, other than 'registers' (discussed previously) is 'verdict'. all tapes produce a verdict, it is returned to calling process under unixlikes )
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NLLBI/?raw=true << verdicts.
asciilifeform brb,teatime
mircea_popescu: well, thgat didn't last : "A custom field was removed from your nation as it was found to be in violation of site policy: animal: "Obama"
mircea_popescu: Please familiarize yourself with the site rules on acceptable content. Restoring a mod-deleted custom field may result in your nation's deletion."
mircea_popescu: imagine these fucktards! i can't call my imaginary nation's imaginary animal the same as that other imaginary nation's equally imaginary animal!
mircea_popescu: i guess usg got copy-right or some shit ?
mircea_popescu: speakinbg of which, anyone remember the set of "anti-bitcoin" tards grouped around usg.pantsuit office over at "something awful" going about talking of "bit-coin" as fucking if that did something ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps time to start talking of copy-right and demo-cracy etc.
mircea_popescu: hu-man.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> https://www.nationstates.net/nation=al-khadhulu << in other keks. << For a lawless wasteland they aren't even all that well armed https://www.nationstates.net/nation=bingotonia
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo my interest didn't survive the hour. turns out it's yet another by-morons for-morons thingee.
BingoBoingo: It gets my attention for about half an hour every few months.
BingoBoingo: The fallout from the decisions has degraded in sensibility over time.
BingoBoingo: In the limited time I do remember it exists, I simply try to drive up crime and weapon ownership per capita
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/03/usg-burns-delayed-notice-warrants-to-place-cameras-in-massage-parlor-for-prostitution-bust/ << Qntra -- USG Burns "Delayed Notice Warrants" To Place Cameras In Massage Parlor For Prostitution Bust
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, since hydro was mentioned yest : one of the largest hydro development in europe is the "iron gates" complex, partnership between romania and serbia, taking advantage of danube.
mircea_popescu: the romanian side produces ~5.2 TWh per year. the serbian side, ~5.7 TWh.
mircea_popescu: whence the difference ? they're halves, aren't they ? here's the lulz : romania bought newer, nominally more efficient generating equipment.
mircea_popescu: it is down so much, overal productivity is nevertheless 10% lower.
mircea_popescu: hurray for progress!
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: (at the time this was completed, early 70s, it was pretty much the largest hydro plant in the world). hoover dam, for instance, had <2MW installed capacity, vs the >2MW here.
mircea_popescu: and this before we even discuss capacity factors (high drop like there necessarily has low capacity factors, low drop like here the opposite)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902841 << because their mental eh what the hell, ima write an article. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 13:20 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902744 -> I never understood why can't the new ones be *trained* ; esp since it's not like they are sososo busy that they can't use the time and learn something at work.
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/03/15/eucrypt-chapter-16-bytestream-inputoutput-keccak/ << Ossasepia -- EuCrypt Chapter 16: Bytestream Input/Output Keccak
diana_coman: phf please snarf ^
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902910 << bahahahaha. and pretty sure this is recent (relatively), usedtobe all sortsa folx had 4th, 5th, reiches, in there ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 15:28 mircea_popescu: well, thgat didn't last : "A custom field was removed from your nation as it was found to be in violation of site policy: animal: "Obama"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect that's more acceptabru.
BingoBoingo: Well someone who wants a reich is easy to put on a USG.lolcow watchlist. Someone who identifies Obama as an animal risks getting sympathy from the folks employed reading USG watchlists.
BingoBoingo: Policeman White see fellow on Nazi watchlist "I've killed those fuckers in xBawks game", Policeman Brown sees fellow on Obama is an animal watchlist "I ought to buy the man a beer and compare notes"
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nOo9j/?raw=true << moar re ch17 'verdicts', in re earlier thrd.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/so-why-cant-they-be-trained/ << Trilema -- So why can't they be trained ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ^ let me know if it satisfies.
asciilifeform could not resist to bite , http://trilema.com/2019/so-why-cant-they-be-trained/#comment-128333
mircea_popescu always answers comments (so will refrain from pointing this out on case by case basis) as well as sees new comments via feedbot rss (so there';s nothing gained by pointing one out to him)
mircea_popescu: it looks like <feedbot> http://trilema.com/2019/so-why-cant-they-be-trained/#comment-128333 << Comments for Trilema -- Comment on So why can't they be trained ? by Stanislav Datskovskiy
asciilifeform: aaa
mircea_popescu: in other obscura : meanwhile i located the clou of the issue. in april 1960, at cluj, gh gh dej stated the party recognizes the right of writers to express themselves "în limbajul epocii noastre" ("in the language of our times"). WHOLE fucking dispute is EXACTLY over whether the ro pantsuits get to the-dreamers or don't get to the-dreamers ; and protestations of unawareness and "vhs america" are suddewnly extrehehehehemely w
mircea_popescu: eak currency to rebuy this.
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking thing was whether they get to follow the other sheep down the precipice or have to sit in the rancho.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in older failed republics: https://archive.is/lRDD6
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: other 'graduates' of same derpublic : yarvin
asciilifeform: sad '90s wankers.
BingoBoingo: Sure, Sad almost 2020 wankers as well
asciilifeform: ( where yarvin ? e.g. here : https://archive.is/ouesj , https://archive.is/PDQC8 << originals wiped in '17, as if that does sumthing )
asciilifeform: 'We weren’t deliberately looking for hacking chops. It was very much about personality and writing, really.' << 'rezistenta prin cultura'(tm)(r)!
mircea_popescu: keks, empire still hard at work secreting imaginary effigies of the republic to "defeat" ?
asciilifeform: that one afaik 100% 'defeated self', ~100% of the 'graduates' turned into yarvins of 1 kind or another
mircea_popescu: there's no other kind of defeat lulz. miami etc.
asciilifeform: e.g. 'The first in San Francisco was co-hosted by CDC member Adam O’Donnell, an entrepreneur and a security engineer at Cisco Systems, and Alex Stamos, then the chief security officer at Facebook ... Chris Wysopal, a L0pht veteran who founded tech company Veracode ... Seattle fundraiser for the Senate race ... ' etc
asciilifeform: mega-revolutionaries, lol
asciilifeform: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-31#817246 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-08-31 06:24 asciilifeform: i always use the term 'calmed down' for these people. starting from having played 'half life', where there is a scene of an einsteinesque white coated figure who gets an alien 'headcrab' jump on his head. it takes roots, he struggles for a while, then 'calms down' and ambles on as zombie.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-15#1902942 -> still digesting it, thank you; I started answering here and realised it should probably better go in the comments section so it'll go there. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-15 17:47 mircea_popescu: diana_coman ^ let me know if it satisfies.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in ancient "why foss sucks" and so on, http://trilema.com/2016/why-is-that/
mircea_popescu: made slightly mroe interesting by it having been written before rather than after linus went dumb.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'm curious whether you're aware of Julian Jaynes. I'm not in a position to assign credit for who first said self-aware consciousness might not come naturally to humans, absent learning it from a parent at a critical age.
trinque: whoever said it first, the hypothesis rings true, that consciousness is an arrangement of language in the skull which is by no means human birthright.
BingoBoingo: I remember being 3 or 4 in the grocery store produce section and being struck with the awareness that my awareness is stuck in my head alone. That I couldn't bounce my awareness from head to head. There were some very Bush I era fat people and I very much wanted to will them stop eating for a few months.