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nubbins`: there's a guy selling one of Carl Mark Force IV's business cards
nubbins`: asciilifeform +1, it's even gilded.
nubbins`: this is almost as impressive as my genesis-block copy of the times
nubbins`: hand-printed on test print paper
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nubbins`: we should try to get martin shkreli in here
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i wonder why everyone wants to spam the blockchain so badly
thestringpuller: this whole notion of 7 billion people transacting daily seems...fucktarded
BingoBoingo: Prolly Red Hat built their GCC with Intel compiler
nubbins`: you see some bizarre shit in industry
nubbins`: i worked at a company that does ~$1bn in annual revenue, all back-end is accessed via RPG IV
nubbins`: the company literally had to get a local college to offer a course in it, and they sent an employee over to teach it
nubbins`: "OPERATORS: No precedence, executed left to right, parenthesize as desired. 2+3*10 yields 50."
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> imbeciles are free to spawn altcoinz, and even to trade in their genuine coin for them, no prob. <<< kinda how socialism works.
mircea_popescu: revolutionize the things, end up trading your vaginal virginity for a pair of jeans
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> NOBODY USES INTEL'S COMPILER << mediatards, whats they know.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> the company literally had to get a local college to offer a course in it, and they sent an employee over to teach it << this is how it should work, actually. all the OTHER courses should be discontinued, pretty much.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> "OPERATORS: No precedence, executed left to right, parenthesize as desired. 2+3*10 yields 50." <<< imo this is the symptom of a badly written assembler or w/e the thing is.
mircea_popescu: except by the time you're done with paranthesizing it's no longer simple.
mircea_popescu: in fact the reason precedence even exists is because it's a schelling point for lazy.
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nolanbugg: daniel insisted i join, it has been a long time since i have used irc
BingoBoingo: The only better time to join than now is the past.
nolanbugg: yea, i take a long time to do anything but i feel like i have a feel for some of the personalities here, but i have plenty of catching up to do with the logs
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mod6: Hey, took one guy a whole day to figure out the recipes go in the mind slot :D << lol!
mod6: could have been longer even. can't remember. *blush*
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BingoBoingo: "What is PC but verbal form of gentrification?"
mod6: got a fair chunk of a script to alter the buildroot .mk files working.
mod6: hoping to test it with the required packages in a test dir on the foundation site this weekend.
mod6: looking forward to that.
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pete_dushenski: "our phone is so epic that we had to rip off a chris bangle design from 20 years ago to just to allow it to function for an entire day without recharging! electric batteries are our future! (tm) (r)"
pete_dushenski: "Saudi Arabia stood accused on Tuesday of trying to wreck the Paris climate summit in order to protect its future as one of the world’s largest oil producers." << wow. 'wreck' is so apt they had to use it twice. 1st su, 2nd us. now the only thing missing is a shiny red star in bahamas' (faux) fur hat and you'd swear you had deja vu.
pete_dushenski: "A US supreme court justice has suggested that black students may benefit from the end of affirmative action admissions policies in US universities because many are “pushed ahead too fast” and should go to “lesser schools” instead."
pete_dushenski: "The comments by Antonin Scalia came as conservatives on the court gave a sympathetic hearing to a white student who claims she was deprived of a place at the University of Texas due to her race."
pete_dushenski: "Abigail Fisher graduated two years ago from Louisiana State University instead, but the court was warned that the number of minority students on US college campuses could “plummet” if her appeal against UT is successful – something Scalia suggested could be no bad thing."
pete_dushenski: "“There are those who contend that it does not benefit African Americans to get them into the University of Texas where they do not do well, as opposed to having them go to a less-advanced school, a slower-track school, where they do well,” he said."
pete_dushenski: "“I’m just not impressed by the fact that the University of Texas may have fewer [black students if the admissions policy changes]. Maybe it ought to have fewer. And maybe, when you take more, the number of blacks, really competent blacks, admitted to lesser schools, turns out to be less,” he added. “I don’t think it stands to reason that it’s a good thing for the University of Texas to admit as many
mircea_popescu: lol, "we accuse this guy of trying to survive. HES A WRECKER!"
pete_dushenski: ^in which scalia pulls the mask off bahamas' incompetent ruse.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the saudi's have russia's backing, which is what the whole oil glut and cutting bahamas down at the knees was all about. they did their part and the russkis can't afford to sell them out. nor does anyone exist who could make a decent offer, bahamas' is dead broke and the eu is a joke.
mircea_popescu: china's going to stick with them, disinterestedly, quietly.
mircea_popescu: the current meaning of the paris accord is, "the decaying west trying to parlay its unavoidable, certain industrial demise into some sort of international subsidies for itself"
mircea_popescu: they'll get a little, but they'll get less than they would gladly take and WAY less than what they'd need to keep the charade going.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski because without saudis their whole southern flank collapses, and that's how they had a famine in leningrad last time.
mircea_popescu: that's traditionally where these grand adventures against abstractions predicated on a shortage of currency traditionally started
pete_dushenski: a millennia is too long of a historical recollection for idjits still using last century's slurs.
mircea_popescu: we wish the dukes and counts the best of luck in aleppo, and we move on to more important matters.
BingoBoingo: Now in other news... It's the right thing to refer to segregated witness as "Jim Crow" for signatures?
BingoBoingo: Or maybe more specifically "Jim Crow For Signatures On Blockchain"
BingoBoingo: Thoughts on this phrasing before it enters the media cycle?
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punkman: I don't think at this point you can ever have the "real" satoshi
punkman: maybe you can have a believable one, but it can't be proven
punkman: suppose Craig had whatever keys you want him to have. who's to say he didn't steal them sometime in the past 5 years
pete_dushenski: i was about to saw that an alien invasion was more likely than satoshi leaving his privkeys open to any sort of theft, then i remember his affinity for dsa and winbloze...
pete_dushenski: punkman: there are presumably questions that one could ask of any potential "satoshi" during an interrogation
pete_dushenski: this would at least weed out the very poor actors who hadn't spent 2-3 years memorising minutiae
BingoBoingo: This really doesn't look like the first time Hoaxtoshi has keep up a con for multiple years
punkman: pete_dushenski: sure, we can weed out the weak satoshis just by reading X lines of text they've written
punkman: I certainly can't think of any question or piece of data that'd prove the satoshi.
☟︎ punkman: can't wait for a believable satoshi though, will be fun
mircea_popescu: like the non-dumb politician, or the well read pundit, or so forth.
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pete_dushenski: see, and here i was wondering what the fuck the shitgnomes were up to now. qntra to the rescue !
BingoBoingo: Thank you pete_dushenski for editting the editor
punkman: "disposable structure known as a "witness" that does not get committed to the blockchain" << sigs still stored in blockchain last time I looked
BingoBoingo: punkman: The entire point of this derpology is making more space for transactions by kicking signatures out of blocks
punkman: what new derp? SPV/pruning/sig-check-skipping nodes exist already
BingoBoingo: punkman: New derp is 1MB blocks that hold transactions of 1.7-4 MB blocks because no signatures in block.
punkman: the worst part is that new core nodes won't be sending witness data to old nodes
pete_dushenski: "The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work by Phillip Rogaway"
pete_dushenski: the kid can seriously cite sources, i'll give him that.
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fluffypony: every time there's a new feature we just create a new separate chain
fluffypony: and then in the old chain we just store pointers to data in the new chain
fluffypony: no more hard forks ever, and you have thousands of useless zombie nodes
☟︎ BingoBoingo: That's basically what this Jim Crow thing is
pete_dushenski: "Taleb’s tantrum is reprehensible, but at the end of the day it’s his own business whether he is willing to listen to actual experts. He does more harm by setting a bad example. He’s not just refusing to engage opposing opinions himself, he’s encouraging his readers and followers to do it too"
☟︎ pete_dushenski: "This isn’t just bad manners, it’s destructive. Taleb is intentionally tearing down the kind of back-and-forth conversations that are critical to helping laypeople (like himself) form educated opinions about the safety of GMOs and other scientific subjects. And he’s doing with ugly, personal insults that demonize the other side of the debate, just because it’s fun. It’s a terrible, foolish strategy." <
pete_dushenski: < boohoo everyone should be a middle class conformist and comport themselves with only the flattest and shallowest mannerisms and phraseologies.
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pete_dushenski: "By trying to disqualify everyone who disagrees with him from civilized debate, Taleb and those who follow his tactics merely disqualify themselves." << bwahaha who's disqualified again ? oh, that's right, it's 'the people', 'us', 'we', (women), etc.
pete_dushenski: if you can't put your personal feelings to the side, you have no place in civilised discourse and debate. period.
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pete_dushenski: that btc miners would go to reddit for their latest news is pretty mindboggling
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You gotta realize P2P isn't the big miners
☟︎ pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, eth below 0.002 and dropping. i think we've got a nail-biter on our hands !
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BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's basically body acceptance for people who don't suck.
BingoBoingo: This is in contrast to: "We had one huge manlet of a kid in junior high. 14 years old probably 300+ pounds at about 5'4. We all hated the kid not just because he was fat and stunk like shit, he was a massive nerd and a complete prick. Some shitlord brought up the fact that he smells so bad because he probably can't fit in the shower, so we took a pink highlighter, not a permanent marker, and highlighted his arm to test the bathing
BingoBoingo: theory. Fucking mark was on his arm for at least two weeks."
Birdman: not sure if its because of the thread q difference now or what but the yield in my mining has been up between 5-10%, while my hit rate has gone from 70-80% to ~40%
Birdman: im sorry it wasn't meant for this channel
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mircea_popescu: sooo... here's an idea for a consumer company : dropship nuts.
mircea_popescu: have a website, with a selection of nut packages. some serving sizes of peanuts, pistachios, whatever.
mircea_popescu: then allow user to specify an image file and an address
mircea_popescu: or w/e, Dee'z Nuts. have Dee the DD blondy your mascot, you can re-use all the godaddy advertising gimmicks.
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna do it ? you need a few k sq ft of warehouse, somewhere where it's cheap (michigan ?), a coupla packaging machines, a plastic printer and a few workers, no prior skills required that's it. 50k for advertising 50k for the gear gets you wll going. buy the nuts in bulk for cents, sell the packs for dollars, you're looking at 99% margins.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's remarkable how plainly dedicated to wrecking bitcoin the usg agents are, huh.
mircea_popescu: "oh, so you exposed us ? whatever, redditards still depend on usg for their daily survival, and are dumb anyway. so we'll just carry on, but this time without shame"
mircea_popescu: mod6 perhaps an announcement that the bitcoin foundation maintains and will continue to maintain a real bitcoin client, notwithstanding continued attacks from well known usg agents on the core values of sound money ?
mircea_popescu: <punkman> the worst part is that new core nodes won't be sending witness data to old nodes <<< guess why.
mircea_popescu: they want a fork. they failed to ghet the xt fork going, they're back to pretending like they're in after spending a year pretending like reddit/xtcoin was anything but outsourced philipinos. and now the pretense is that you know, whatever, nobody knows anything of the last year, nobody learned anythning, we'll just do... this. which is that.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the truth of the matter is that the usg-dole livers don't belong in bitcoin. not in any other sense than they CAN NOT be in bitcoin. simply impossible.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: next time you feel the itch to "drive adoption", specially to poor/stupid people, think that giving a car to a guy living in a horsepulled cart doesn't help him.
mircea_popescu: and it does create a mess for the people on the highway.
mircea_popescu: "Okay. So I am Pieter Wuille. I'll be talking about segregated witness for Bitcoin. Before I can explain this, I want to give some context. We all know how bitcoin transactions work. Every bitcoin transaction gets inputs, which refer to previous outputs being spent. Every input has the txid and the signature to prove that it is allowed, plus an amount and script in every output. What this presentation will mostly be ab
mircea_popescu: out is the question of whether all of this data is equally important.
mircea_popescu: In particular, we are going to be talking about signatures. It's important to realize here that signatures are really only needed for fully-validating nodes. As a light-weight client, you are not validating signatures, even though they are part of the transactions you still have to download them. If you are using a full-node that is syncing historical data, you don't actually validate all of the signatures in there. Cu
mircea_popescu: rrently there is a mechanism in there using checkpoints, which we want to deprecate soon, but the result will still be that we're not validating all signatures from years ago in deep history."
mircea_popescu: herp. and this isn't something that should be fixed, rite.
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mircea_popescu: scammers & usg agents decide the actual wot is kinda unfriendly to their ilk, "reboot" it. because yeah, totally, that's how it works.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Christopher Allen Former CTO Certicom Co-Author TLS 1.0 ; Jon Callas Former CTO of PGP Now CTO Silent Circle ; Greg Maxwell Bitcoin Core Maintainer CTO Blockstream ; Peter Todd Bitcoin Core Contributor ; Greg Slepak OKTurtles and DNSChain ; Markus Sabadello OASIS XDI Internet Identity ; Vitalik Buterin Founder of Ethereum and Bitcoin Magazine ; F. Randall Farmer Author of "Building Web Reputation Systems" ; Pie
mircea_popescu: ter Wuille Co-founder at Blockstream Bitcoin Core Developer ; Kiara Robles Creator of blockchainMe ; Juan Benet Creator of IPFS Founder of Protocol Labs ; Alex Leverington Core Developer Ethereum ; Tyler Close Access control thinker and implementer ; Ryan Shea Co-founder Onename ; Muneeb Ali Co-founder Onename ; Drummond Reed Co-Founder & CTO Respect Network ; Matthew Schutte Co-Founder at Collaborative Advanta
mircea_popescu: ge ; Joseph Bonneau Applied Crypto Group ; Jude Nelson Syndicate Private Cloud Storage ; Michael Folkson Founder of RiskBazaar ; Noah Thorp Co-Founder Citizen Code ; Harlan T Wood Citizen Code Enlightened Structure ; Duke Dorje Citizen Code Formerly PGP ; Joel Dietz Citizen Code Founder of Swarm ; Patrick Deegan CTO of Personal BlackBox ; John Edge Cofounder & Chairman Identity2020 ; Justin Newton Netki Foun
mircea_popescu: der and CEO ; Wayne Thayer VP of Security Products at GoDaddy
shinohai: It's like whitewashing a fence!
mircea_popescu: "The reason for this name is because signatures are not part of the transaction. They don't describe what the transaction is doing." herpitty derp, fancy that!
mircea_popescu: "Wouldn't it be nice to just drop the signatures? The reason why we can't do this is because the signature is part of the transaction hash. If we would just drop the sig from the transaction, the block wouldn't validate, you wouldn't be able to prove an output spend came from that transaction, so that's not something we could do. But let's simplify the problem. What if we could redesign Bitcoin from scratch? What if yo
mircea_popescu: u're designing an altcoin, there's really no reason why you would want to do this in Bitcoin. This is actually something we did in sidechain alpha."
mircea_popescu: "You would mark the signature data as special. You are indicated by green color on this slide. Everything but the green part goes into the hash of a transaction. The signature doesn't. It's just a piece of data that's still there, but we don't consider it part of the transaction.
mircea_popescu: is there no honest man that ever worked for a university ?
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mircea_popescu: well, i guess it's time for an article, what can i say.
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 14:04:02; mircea_popescu: scammers & usg agents decide the actual wot is kinda unfriendly to their ilk, "reboot" it. because yeah, totally, that's how it works.
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 07:40:28; pete_dushenski: "Nowadays I ask computer-science faculty candidates to explain their view on the ethical responsibilities of computer scientists. Some respond like a deer in headlights, unsure what such a question could even mean." << via
http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf mircea_popescu: or perhaps he's amoral for reason of mental retardation.
mircea_popescu: i nten million bars all over the world a hundred million derps spend hours discussing what shit they'd stick to the sides of kardashian, also
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assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 13:25:53; mircea_popescu: anyway, the truth of the matter is that the usg-dole livers don't belong in bitcoin. not in any other sense than they CAN NOT be in bitcoin. simply impossible.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 perhaps an announcement that the bitcoin foundation maintains and will continue to maintain a real bitcoin client, notwithstanding continued attacks from well known usg agents on the core values of sound money ? << sounds good, will write something up by EOD.
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assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 07:06:13; punkman: I certainly can't think of any question or piece of data that'd prove the satoshi.
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mircea_popescu: things aren't what they are, they're what the packaging says they are.
mircea_popescu: and yeah re the src point : /me would enjoy a show conssiting of alf crossexamining pretenders.
mircea_popescu: it's hysterical tho, last year they were all "oh noes, moore's law, infinity resources, must make blocks infinitesize"
mircea_popescu: this year they're all "oh noes, scarce resources, must replace blockchain with a napkin"
mircea_popescu: why would you need to purge anything, i thought usgavin had consensused with a bunch of experts as to how there's plenty of room for everything.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: aww... experiencing a little bit o' ddos, somehow. back shortly.
davout: mircea_popescu: "Valid Bitcoin addresses start with a "1"" <<< since when?
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mircea_popescu: "2013 had all the signs of being a comeback year for venture capital. Booming public equities and a recovered IPO market generated record portfolio company exits and distributions from VC funds. The industry realized its highest returns since the Internet boom.
mircea_popescu: Yet 2013 annual industry performance data from Cambridge Associates shows that venture capital continues to underperform the S&P 500, NASDAQ and Russell 2000."
mircea_popescu: "But the bigger problem – and the real problem for investors – is how little of a problem this persistent underperformance is for VCs themselves. LPs have created and perpetuate an industry of such structural economic misalignment that VCs can underperform and not only survive, but thrive."
mircea_popescu: i fully expect the 2016 sv vc verbiage to be all about special pleading of the "employee contracts" sort seen this year. "we lose a lot of money but want you to somehow believe everything that exists is due us!"
mircea_popescu: VCs barely invest in their own funds. The “market standard” is for VCs to personally invest 1% of the fund size, and for investors to contribute the remaining 99%. <<
mircea_popescu: the best part is that this works out to a 50% discount for the first year. basically, they;re out there selling adjustable APR mortgages to suckers.
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assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 08:04:03; fluffypony: no more hard forks ever, and you have thousands of useless zombie nodes
mircea_popescu: just discussing his observation it never went anywhere.
ascii_field: the reason that nobody ever ~did it right~ - and not gdb, either - is the ridiculous qty of not only bandwidth, but FAST storage, required.
ascii_field: gotta record every flipped bit of register, BUT ALSO OF RAM
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 08:07:31; pete_dushenski: "Taleb’s tantrum is reprehensible, but at the end of the day it’s his own business whether he is willing to listen to actual experts. He does more harm by setting a bad example. He’s not just refusing to engage opposing opinions himself, he’s encouraging his readers and followers to do it too"
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ascii_field: and satan help you if your program actually does any i/o.
ascii_field: herr taleb, iirc, is self-funded, says whatever the fuck he pleases
mircea_popescu: "Taleb has been kicking up the dust lately on Facebook and Twitter, encouraging his readers to not even listen to people who disagree with his beliefs about GMOs." << apparently encouraging readers to not erven listen to people who know better than to buy in the "rape" narrative, or the "global warming" narrative is a-ok. the problems only start when power exists unalligned to the usg, then the means are VERY BAD!!11
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 15:17:55; mircea_popescu: why would you need to purge anything, i thought usgavin had consensused with a bunch of experts as to how there's plenty of room for everything.
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☟︎ mircea_popescu: funny tho, so their target is "bitcoin community" < 6months old ?
ascii_field sees the '7.91....' and immediately thinks 'pretty good!111' but then remember he isn't looking at 'ent'
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 08:17:07; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You gotta realize P2P isn't the big miners
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ascii_field: actually p2p is, for the most part, the botnetz
mircea_popescu: "So there are two possibilities here. One is that Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto. The other is that Wright has been conducting an elaborate, year-long con to convince the world that he is Satoshi Nakamoto." mno... timmy boy. the third which is really the only one that matters, is that
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-12-2015#1339534 ☝︎ assbot: Logged on 09-12-2015 11:13:57; mircea_popescu: anyway, so the point of the "is random derp X ?" (no) article was so that reuters could run a piece saying "Australian police raided the Sydney home and office on Wednesday of a man named by Wired magazine as the probable creator of bitcoin and holder of hundreds of millions of dollars worth of the cryptocurrency, Reuters witnesses said."
mircea_popescu: and of course, so that tim lee/vox can say "If Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, he will instantly become the most prominent person in the Bitcoin world."
mircea_popescu: im guessing if the "swj" update to bitcoin goes the same way the xt update goes, usg is going to discover that really, gavin has no objection to wearing a going to wear a satoshi costume permanently ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, we discovered the real-real-real one, it's this derp, and as vox said, this now makes him the most important rite ?"
ascii_field: was it really so impossible to find a halfway-convincing actor ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field
http://nodes.p2pool.co/ < minefast.coincadence.com 78 TH/s ; elizium.name 22 TH/s ; xt.warp2pool.eu 18 TH/s ; galactica.geekgalaxy.com 15 TH/s ; cammello.agaland.it 9 TH/s ; 108.31.56.9 6 TH/s ; p2pool.science 4 TH/s ; 75.101.102.41 2 TH/s ; p2pool.servebeer.com1 TH/s
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, do you really want Pieter Wuille's blood on your hands?
HeySteve: you've made your point but that's going too far
HeySteve: any sane person will make this judgement
mircea_popescu: then any sane person will do something else with their time, i guess.
HeySteve: this will only undermine opposition to SW
HeySteve: I might not be the best person to judge the technical issues. but to judge murder for hire? yes, why not
HeySteve: I wish you would reconsider, this is madness
mircea_popescu: tell you what : the oposition to xt was... me. that you or any other "sane persons" jumped on later on or not is relatively irrelevant. and, for that matter, the opposition to pirate was also me. and everything in between - me. meanwhile "sane persons" were busy with derping at me about how "mpoe-pr is unprofessional calling out the scam".
mircea_popescu: so... you know. this is where you learn from what works.
HeySteve: I hope you continue to oppose scammers and act for the conservation of "classic" bitcoin. but this is not the way to go about it.
HeySteve: I mean really, putting out a hit? what if some desperate or crazy person takes you up on it, are you ready for the criminal charges?
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> actually p2p is, for the most part, the botnetz << Not feasible anymore really. p2P diff is too high. Most seems to be 1-5 dedicated recent mining rigs, so home users.
BingoBoingo: Just guessing by the range of hashrates reported. Also did the p2pool thing with ATC.
mircea_popescu: guy knows the way to go about things he ain't doing, and wishes to inform the people actually doing it.
HeySteve: I know evil bullshit when I see it.
mircea_popescu: do you basically grep for strings or is there more to it than that ?
HeySteve: step 1 is not being a psychopath. try it sometime.
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : the delusional notion that their lives aren't on the line is what makes people do most of the fucktarded shit they do. it certainly is the case with the power rangers.
ascii_field: wake me up when i can buy a ticket to the impalements.
mircea_popescu: in also lulzy news, the maryland-based righteous ddosing of trilema earlier was kinda weak and ineffectual, when compared to the standard angry economics driven ddosen we've seen over the years.
mircea_popescu: i guess yet another field where the private sector has the public sector whupped.
ascii_field: HeySteve: don't let the door hit you on the arse
mircea_popescu: how exactly is the world supposed to work without "psychopaths". so asshole goes and does something outright evil, and we all what, chant to purge his "sw" out of bitcoin ? hold hands ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: was it udp barf from konsoomer modems?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i've really not spent so much time looking into it, gb-and-a-half piddle from 10s of ips.
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assbot: Logged on 23-10-2015 14:24:36; HeySteve: as for the rest, mircea_popescu, you may dismiss everything that isn't Bitcoin 0.5 as a scam but I do not take this view without evidence
assbot: 4 results for 'heysteve landlords' - #bitcoin-assets search
mircea_popescu: incidentally, why do people wish to add semantic content to bitcoin ?
☟︎ ascii_field: same reason why add a 2kg telescope to kalash ?
mircea_popescu: so no more unix philosophy, just... everything expands to read mail ?
ascii_field: thestringpuller: if you live in usa you are not far from some place where you can rent a kalash and try 'snipe' at 100 metres into a plate
ascii_field: aha. now try 500m which is what 'snipe' means in the civilized world
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 18:02:24; mircea_popescu: incidentally, why do people wish to add semantic content to bitcoin ?
ascii_field: in the specific sense of 'goldmansachsization'
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 17:57:45; HeySteve: well, I wash my hands of this place
ascii_field: moar mechanical complexity, more room (or so they hope) for mechanized fraud
mircea_popescu: except this approach handed their country to china on a silver plate.
thestringpuller: because ethereum is revolutionary and thus bitcoin needs to be moar like it
ascii_field: because - largely - cn never came in and repossessed the whores & coke
mircea_popescu: myeah. i had a mp sitting on my shoulder going "Doh" as i hit enter
mircea_popescu: shinohai in fairness, wouldn't by any stretch be the first person we/i've driven to excuse themselves.
shinohai: Life is precarious, get over it ^^
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 02:02:19; midnightmagic: dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.
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ascii_field: thestringpuller: in the same sense as i'm afraid to thermonuke davos
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> what was the name of the treason guy << midnightmagic
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> aha. now try 500m which is what 'snipe' means in the civilized world << This is job for the other (Mosin) Nagant
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mircea_popescu: "The Model is Confused and Misused. Frequently the same group that is arguing for more spending is the same one that “owns” the LTV calculation. (This is a mistake – finance should monitor LTV). As a result, it is not uncommon for one to see shortcuts taken that allow for greater freedom. As an example, marketers often divide spend by total customers to calculate SAC rather than just those customers that were
mircea_popescu: “purchased.” If you have organic customers, they shouldn’t be included in the spend calculus. They would have arrived regardless of spend. Also, many people discount “revenues” rather than marginal cash contribution. It is critical to bundle all future variable costs of supporting the customer in order to fairly estimate the future contribution. As an example of the sloppiness that exists around the formula,
mircea_popescu: consider this blog post (
http://blog.kissmetrics.com/how-to-calculate-lifetime-value/) from KISS metrics, a company whose aim is to “help you make smarter business decisions.” Not only do they include a version of the model that specifically ignores future costs, but also they recommend taking an average of three different results, two of which are clearly flawed. This voodoo-math has no place as part of a multi-mi
mircea_popescu: "ltv" being one of the lulziest snakeoil products the marketing scambunch has been pushing down the throats of public cos
ascii_field: ;;later tell mod6 trb www still shows non-v patches ?!
btcdrak: mircea_popescu: what on earth are you up to?
btcdrak: mircea_popescu: I'm trying to divine if you are just trolling or dead serious.
btcdrak: mircea_popescu: Well I'm done here. You're out of order.
btcdrak: please remove my gpg key from assbot
assbot: ascii_field is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: all these people with the higher moral ground calling peeps names and shit.
mircea_popescu: well, people gotta form their own opinions on things neh.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, the emotional angle is really hard to get past. which is why the thing's so effective in the first place.
mircea_popescu: try screaming "YOU MAKE EXCELLENT PIE" at the top of your lungs @woman, see if she takes it as a compliment.
shinohai: Well I never would have guessed two individuals would get their panties in a bunch in one day.
mircea_popescu: life is the foremost value, yo! notwithstanding that the delusion of "freedom from consequence" is the fundamental corner stone of "creativity" as understood on the internets.
ascii_field: i thought it was 'any degree of scumhood is virtuous when it's in the service of usg, lie, cheat, kill, whatever'
mircea_popescu: the usg is mere detritus resulting from malfunctioning metabolism
ascii_field: neh it's rather more like the original aids victim
ascii_field: the fella who wouldn't rest until he infected as many as he could
mircea_popescu: in me eyes tis entirely passive. does what "teh people" "need".
ascii_field always has, in back of head, suspicion that 'usg' is catastrophically misnamed, considering that the communicable disease in question goes back to at least voltaire
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'Not only are they part of the transaction, not only are they an integral part of the transaction : they are the only actually needed part. What makes a transaction a transaction is the signature, nothing else. Everything else is like marketing : contributes to costs, not to revenue.' << here i will note that, if bitcoin used rsa sigs, the tx and the signature could be literally one and the same thing
ascii_field: (with a very small amount of number-theoretical elbow grease)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: [malleability] 'This is a major problem, principally driven by the deliberately broken state of the FOSS' << btw it affects pgp (via the braindamaged pkcs1.5) to same extent
kakobrekla: ftr 'gettrust' takes second argument optionally
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assbot: Logged on 12-08-2014 02:20:21; TimSwanson: That's not how debates work
BingoBoingo: Damn, It's like people forget about Andreas whose ghost supports this thing.
BingoBoingo: "She told me that her team did a lot of collaborative work in this lab, and she didn't need someone who was going to 'eat more than their fair share of the pizza, if you know what I mean.' "
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assbot: Okay, so I think I've figured out 'Dr' Craig White's end game in pretending to be Satoshi. : Buttcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/21SJxO4 )
BingoBoingo: Are you going to ragequit the channel too?
shinohai: First time I had seen that happen, but I've only been here since June.
☟︎ shinohai: Twice in one day tho ... puritans.
shinohai: I guess this place isn't for everyone, :/
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: aka anarchotyranny / 'yi yi zhi yi'.
cazalla_: thanks, i'd log in properly but won't stay long
cazalla_: asciilifeform, any idea if zed shaw knows his stuff? working through his learn python the hard way book past month or so, recommend any books once i'm done with this one (or anyone else for that matter)
ascii_field: cazalla_: i'm entirely unfamiliar with this author
cazalla_: yeah that guy, i actually bought a hard copy of the book though, been working on in it 1-2 hours each evening, trying to make a Legend of the Red Dragon mud type game meets bitcoin
BingoBoingo: Even sticks to actual python 2 and not heretical 3
punkman: I've read a couple of his learn X books, not bad
cazalla_: punkman, i'm finding it good and i'm on pace to actually finish it, but figured seeing i know little, might be best to ask he if what im learning has any value