tmsr - Log 2018-06-10

asciilifeform: aa BingoBoingo put it in heathenpit. ty BingoBoingo .

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-09#1821861 << d00d managed to pick a box even moar boobytrapped than cbook ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-06-09 23:11 BingoBoingo: Torvalds would love to have an ARM laptop for development and use, but doesn't know if the new Snapdragon machines can disable Secure Boot, either." followed immediately by alf's Odinturd in their punchbowl

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-09#1821790 << where is this used ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-06-09 22:05 loper_os_cr50: Currently reverse engineering the Holtek E-Link ICP

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-09#1821794 << i briefly dug for detail, found nuffin... what is it ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-06-09 22:08 loper_os_cr50: I should probably make a blog, maybe I’ll do that. The point of it is to bypass their pay per chip scam and release it eventually

mircea_popescu: hopefully the dood stays true to his word, comes back in normal clothes.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-09#1821831 << i gotta wonder, when meeting people in meatspace, does he also make up gensym names each time he shakes a hand.. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-06-09 22:26 loper_os_cr50: Mircea_popescu: I establish identity temporarily and then move on. But I don’t see how anonymity necessitates solitude

mircea_popescu: i expect. it'd be just like bond, right ? haime bond ?

mircea_popescu: anyway. the reason this rather than some random other idiocy is the centerpiece inca relies on to survive is not coincidental. deeply seated fantasy of the narcissist mind.

asciilifeform: just picture what 'normal on the net' folx would look like if they did same in meatland

asciilifeform: i can picture how habitual swimming in reddit sewage might encourage the disease in susceptible but healthy folx tho

asciilifeform: after soaking in reddit, feel like pulling own skin off

asciilifeform: so they don't let it touch skin.

asciilifeform: veeery little on the current-day net is worth coming back to, cultivating a relation with, etc

asciilifeform: how is random double-e d00d to know, that he's found 'shangri-la'.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, dunno if you care, but your blog signs as "http://119.3.12.182/wordpress/?p=101990" which ain't proper.

asciilifeform: signs ?

asciilifeform: interesting, i'ma have to pop the hood and see why

asciilifeform: ( did this ever even work at all..? )

asciilifeform: noape

asciilifeform: nfs co since '07

asciilifeform: will have to look, currently i have only faint idea how the backlink thing even worx

asciilifeform: oh diff ip erry coupla wks, i think

asciilifeform: ( whole scheme of nfs co's antiddos cluster thing )

mircea_popescu: ah ok, may be it. though, different A blocks ?!

asciilifeform: iirc they own several swaths of ipv4ola

asciilifeform: !!up loper_os_cr50_

asciilifeform: loper_os_cr50_: hello?

asciilifeform: who might you be?

asciilifeform: loper_os_cr50_: more specifically? are you working with the iron from cr50 article?

loper_os_cr50_: Not working yet that would be pretentious. Sick of dirty chip and code. Search for pure trust and control over the machine. Have yet to learn a lot before starting to work. For now I read.

asciilifeform: loper_os_cr50_: ok, enjoy

loper_os_cr50_: Lots of things that I got trouble to get ;) Reverse engineering skills there

mircea_popescu: lol. mkay, it goes back many years and there's a lot of material. generally it's recommended noobs spend 6 months reading through it.

asciilifeform: loper_os_cr50_: what's your native lang?

loper_os_cr50_: What do you guys think about the librem effort?

asciilifeform: crock of shit,

asciilifeform: !#s librem

asciilifeform: see also

asciilifeform: !#s purism

asciilifeform: intel. with blobs, and hefth dose of delusionism.

asciilifeform: *hefty

asciilifeform: not even known what all of 'it' ~is~?

asciilifeform: think.

loper_os_cr50_: Just trying to picture for now, do not even try to think yet

asciilifeform: loper_os_cr50_: why would you want to buy expensive, power-wasting , hot-running chip from the foremost nsa bug factory, if you don't have to ?

asciilifeform: riscv is a turd

asciilifeform: !#s riscv

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739631 << mandatory thread ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 17:34 asciilifeform: btw http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739595 is entirely correct, and quite surreal

mircea_popescu: well i suspect it's rather the case he'd like to buy ~something~.

asciilifeform: well i went and 'hey let's try arm64...'

asciilifeform: and nao reporting on the experiments

asciilifeform: there unfortunately is not much to choose from

asciilifeform: esp if you want a laptop

asciilifeform: !!up loper_os_cr50

loper_os_cr50_: I'll continue my journey, I may come up with something useful one day

loper_os_cr50_: Enjoy guys, see you in 6 months after the reading

asciilifeform: loper_os_cr50_: i recommend to register with deedbot nao

asciilifeform: then we will have some notion of which you, you were, when you come back..

asciilifeform: when you make a key and register with deedbot, you become a person, until then just a spirit

asciilifeform: you're the, what, 5th, 6th? loper_os_cr50 to log in today..

asciilifeform: !!up loper_os_cr50_

loper_os_cr50_: You might receive more visit, Google now reference your last post on cr50 that's what made me arrive at first on your page. Then I spent the rest of the evening reading.

asciilifeform: loper_os_cr50_: you were searching via google for cr50 ?

loper_os_cr50_: No I wasn't even searching. Just grab that android stuff and it suggested that strange card about the fritz chip.

asciilifeform: aa lol

loper_os_cr50_: Was cooking all the link sending me back to the logs.

asciilifeform: i expect google will censor the thing from their own index first thing on monday opening hour

asciilifeform: !!up loper_os_cr50__

asciilifeform will bbl.

mircea_popescu: https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/04/29/yet-another-gtk-update/ for the entomologist ; one luzy moment in the endless stream of idiocy that is 3rd millenium foss. ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: (gtk, for the disinterested, is "let's migrate the browser model to the desktop".)

amstan: tought i should join this to see if you guys have any discoveries ☟︎

mircea_popescu: you mean specifically on sending alphabet packing out of computing ? or more generally ?

amstan: i mean i doubt it, but to be fair i don't know much about how it works, just how it's connected to the system

asciilifeform: oh hey it's the good sir 'nobody has the cr50 key'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, dude's some inconsequential politruk, see https://archive.is/MrjAB https://archive.is/AFjoC etc lulz. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: if he hadn't heard of the third reich instrument of surrender he'd be going around his village singing "tomorrow belongs to me". as it is, he derps on the periphery of google. if he realised tmsr owns the world he'd be "community organizing" for you. and so on. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: yeah, i wasn't about to take you for one of the fet sluts. what brings you here ?

|\n: i've seen your name on some resources i read from time to time because pals discuss it as well

|\n: in particular, i've decided to visit this channel because of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433

mircea_popescu: you mean like that one time we took over a bunch of electricity generators for lulz ? or what secrets.

mircea_popescu: not the time chicks kept coming in to show us their tits, that's no secret, is that ?

mircea_popescu: did you want to share anything with the group, ivan ?

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821714 << will do, i've had all the parts shipped at this point, but i won't be back until monday.. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-06-08 17:30 asciilifeform: phf: if you are able to build the usb snake -- lemme know which cr50 turd ver is in your box

mircea_popescu: lol phf you should start a hiking club with mocky >D

Mocky: I'll be hiking in northern virginia in two weeks, not sure how close to the swamp...

Mocky: !Q later tell lobbes I just got back from uwharrie national forest, ~50km east of Charlotte. ftr, 'deep river' is misnomer, more like 'shallow creek'

mircea_popescu: Mocky, would it be a good time to try out your foxybot nao ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822011 << he's the hint-dropping d00d from #rockchip ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 15:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, dude's some inconsequential politruk, see https://archive.is/MrjAB https://archive.is/AFjoC etc lulz.

asciilifeform: and apparently also this

asciilifeform: https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-07#22286942;

asciilifeform: and the 'trust yer hardware that you have' fella

asciilifeform: and the 'we'll post some schems real soon nao, just wait' fella, etc

asciilifeform: i had nfi that he was from ro, this is extra lulzy somehow

asciilifeform: ( they have a googlarium in ro?! )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1821998 << observe that, in asciilifeform's 2015--present gentoo recipe, gtk3+ is banned ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 05:00 mircea_popescu: https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/04/29/yet-another-gtk-update/ for the entomologist ; one luzy moment in the endless stream of idiocy that is 3rd millenium foss.

asciilifeform: ( it pulls in dbus )

Mocky: mircea_popescu, i've found an issue with stacking so suggest to wait until next version. today or tomorrow.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, alphabet essentially survives, in the perceptible rather than the byzantine imaginarium sense, out of their orclands outposts. exactly as described in http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-121.0-121.824

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, re gtk+ 3, observe that the dumbass orcs in the comment section are all about "i don't see why you wouldn't '''upgrade''' your desktop to browserhood"

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822006 << amstan you can post those asus schems any time you feel like being useful; i will publish them. if you want to do it anon, pgp mircea_popescu or asciilifeform ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 06:28 amstan: tought i should join this to see if you guys have any discoveries

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did see a microshit cubefarm in bucharest. so this makes sense.

asciilifeform: even in usa hq, they make use of ample coolie labour

mircea_popescu: are you kidding me, intel has a tiny thing here even.

asciilifeform: in bananistan?!

mircea_popescu: i thought i linked some "genius orc" kids at some point.

asciilifeform: oh hm

mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy because over here it's so low budget, you can directly see the underwiring.

mircea_popescu: well, you. the locals are too kind and simple for any sight. ☟︎

asciilifeform: re gtkism -- asciilifeform can'twait to see how the derps react to the revelation that asciilifeform's gentoos hardban gtk3/dbus/pulseaudio/whole shebang

asciilifeform: ( naturally including the one for c101pa box )

asciilifeform: in other lulles, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17274771 << 'flagged'

asciilifeform: elsewhere in heathendom, https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8pyaec/the_google_h1_fritz_chip/ << usg brigade out in force, 'this is just a tpm, cannot reflash fw' etc 'say it 3 times, it'll be true'isms

asciilifeform: the hilarious bit is that the published src has 100% of the lulz out in plain daylight. incl, e.g., the bootrom-writeprotect override function in cr50, the magic pubkeys, the bit that turns wireless on during idle, etc

asciilifeform: the 'of course you can't have SEKOORITY without goldenkeys!', 'prove! nsa involved!', etc derps, all awoken from under their rocks, working.

asciilifeform: i suspect that the whole incident will be unhappened soon enuff, added to same googleban db as trilema , phuctor, etc

asciilifeform: ( their phuctor filter is esp lulzy, gives not null but specifically ancient stale pages, boeck's 'rebuttal', reddit. etc )

asciilifeform: lovingly hand-crafted. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, none of the fucktards can, or ever have, or have any intention of reading source.

Mocky: it's eye opening for me to see how it looks from this side where asciilifeform exposes obvious stench which is met with chorus of 'nah, it smells good'. apparently 'till now I've been the local, ala: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822065 ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 16:51 mircea_popescu: well, you. the locals are too kind and simple for any sight.

mircea_popescu: Mocky, regular occurence on this side of the zone.

mircea_popescu: but, amusingly enough, the conversation with the chick who thought herself a domme controls here! imagine that, you know, sex determining matters scientific, how unfair and improper and in breach of implicit promises made by the "civilisation" of tedious old women.

mircea_popescu: yet http://trilema.com/2018/when-cherri-met-rae-rae-also-met-cherri/ vs http://trilema.com/2018/an-examination-of-conflict/ strictly and exactly describes the problem. the captive aren't captive because they were captured, they're captive because that's what they fucking are.

mircea_popescu: and as far as most mouthbreathers are concerned, the world is too much and the little glass bead of "nigger explains what '''events mean to me'''" archsufficient. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: apt-get: lurking for the Fritzchip or the training camp?

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, imagine the ambiguity we dwell in! it's not even fucking clear.

apt-get: fritz, although I'm not really much of an expert when it comes to hardware stuff in any way

mircea_popescu: apt-get, so why would you care, if i may ask ?

apt-get: stumbled upon the loper blog by luck and I found it to be a cool project

mircea_popescu: so is it rather a political investment, something in the vein of http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ , "i wish to touch the bars of my cage with mine own hands" ?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822076 << no, you know, it's an algorithm :D protects the worshipful from toxicfacts and things, making google very fucking useful for no purpose whatsoever in the process. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 17:55 asciilifeform: lovingly hand-crafted.

apt-get: Well, I don't know if my political leanings would necessarily imply going to such lengths as described in that manifesto, but I am indeed supportive of any attempt to free computing from the proprietary and government boulders placing themselves between the user and the product.

mircea_popescu: the practical problem, though, is that depending of how generous you are with the notion of user, a world without such an interface may not even be possible. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: if the priors are anything like a) "anyone should have access to computers" and b) "to use as they see fit", you'll be back to some kind of nsa fritz chip in very short order, especially if you're committed to equalitarian socialism (or, "democracy", to use the in-universe names)

apt-get: I suppose such conditions could be theoretically enforced in a democratic system... but it would imply making the general populace to both be aware and feel threatened by these issues, which isn't going to happen anytime soon, practically speaking.

mircea_popescu: seems perfectly aware and very very fucking threatened to me, lol.

mircea_popescu: can't apply livresque standards of awareness to the herd, they're not human in that sense. you believe cattle is aware of electified fence, even if no cow ever sat down with you and stated as much over beers and buffalo wings.

mircea_popescu: same thing here, by purely behavioural standards they're as aware as could be.

mircea_popescu: otherwise they wouldn't go about pretending like they believe google is in any way different from groupon, a purely imaginary, 100% paper construction.

apt-get: convenience of usability will always trump freedom when it comes to these things, which is why you don't see minifree or purism making bank on their libre hardware.

mircea_popescu: except the part where the convenience of doing stupid thing is just as inconvenient as anything.

asciilifeform: ... or maybe because it's shit

mircea_popescu: there's just about 0 convenience delivered by the tools of "convenience" and "usability".

asciilifeform: 'purism', 'minifree', organs of the beast.

apt-get: convenience isn't limited to the device itself, it also encompasses a large ecosystem of both social and technical incentives to enter a firm's walled garden.

apt-get: and I don't believe it's possible to fight multi-billion entities when it comes to this.

mircea_popescu: from experience, the only incentive is purelty internal : slave belongs inside, goes inside.

mircea_popescu: so yes, it is not possible to fight tmsr when it comes to this. all shall crumble before it. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: techcrunch.com/2017/08/11/the-minifree-libreboot-t400-is-free-as-in-freedom/ << lol the ersatzen.

mircea_popescu: am i supposed to not notice the overpowering flavour of mendacity, "hey, we already did what phuctor does!!!!" story all over again ?

mircea_popescu: techcrunch.com/2016/12/08/the-libreboot-c201-from-minifree-is-really-really-really-ridiculously-open-source/ :D

mircea_popescu: i dunno why anyone looks to hollywood for fiction production. the usg directorate of propaganda manages some pretty hysterical comedies.

asciilifeform: i can already picture, 'why complain, cr50 100% opensores!'

mircea_popescu: Се́веро-Кавка́зский край really really really ridiculously well supplied with all kind and manner of foodstuffs!

esthlos: ^^ I'm curious what folx think of the above. Reading through the logs, FFA, etc., I've realized how little I know. So I'm thinking that I'll have to devote the majority of my effort to learning the ropes wrt computing before I can pull my weight in here. Does this make sense?

mircea_popescu: esthlos, actually, do you want comments there ? or here ?

esthlos: looks like nuking the auto-paragraph feature for posts also nuked it for comments

mircea_popescu: well if you'd find it in your heart ot fix it i'd be grateful.

mircea_popescu: slut looking over my shoulder was all like "oooo, shiny! i want one like that!"

esthlos: thanks, geometry of color is verrry interresting (shitpedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_space)

asciilifeform: !!up loper_os_cr50

asciilifeform lols over the various crapola mail, 'purism!', 'cured intel really!', etc

asciilifeform: and if i had a bitcent for every 'use this lappy we carved from old refrigerator panels and raspberry pi..' etc

mircea_popescu: the amusing part is just how repetitive it all is lol.

asciilifeform: homo redditicus is lethally boring, yes.

asciilifeform: esthlos: i recommend fewer pediwikia links. ( granted i suffered from same habit in early loper-os articles. but cured nao. )

asciilifeform: esthlos: if you must -- link to archived copies, which at least won't change from under you.

asciilifeform: esthlos: in re the b00kz -- i have okasaki, and must note, he is a mathematically interesting read, but 100% useless in actual practice, unless you use 'lazy-evaluated' prog langs

esthlos: i haven't opened that one yet, good to know. have you ever checked out john alan's book? It's kinda a denser sicp, and predates it

mircea_popescu: all these items from back when people read books.

asciilifeform: esthlos: i have. it is for dedicated aficionados strictly ( uses deeply archaic notation, and generally concerned with deeply 'pre-modern' lisps )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for archaeologists strictly.

mircea_popescu: brains have sensibly flattened since hte golden age of the hardbound

esthlos: are there good books on the matter which *aren't* archaeological?

asciilifeform: esthlos: there ain't, and likely won't be

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822031 << phf keep in mind that the resistors gotta be, iirc, accurate within 5%. hence why i used trimpots. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 16:05 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821714 << will do, i've had all the parts shipped at this point, but i won't be back until monday..

asciilifeform: ( until i got'em trimmed in, 'suzy' worked 'every other time' )

asciilifeform: while we're on the subj, i find it interesting how both google and intel ( and by extension, all new mb makers ) finessed the problem of 'terrorists will epoxy usb ports closed' -- nao usg can get 'airport quickie' root through a hole that you cannot cement, because the box charges ~only~ from it

asciilifeform: ( this is the case in, e.g., all new crapple boxen )

asciilifeform: esthlos: theoretically, under microscope

asciilifeform: you can't cut ~all~ of them, however, the 'negotiation' (CC1/CC2) pins are used by the mains bricks

asciilifeform: 'smart' power bricks, see.

asciilifeform: the 'go and cut pins' thing will ~work for certain purposes, but in the very near term it will become entirely unproductive -- they are moving the whole orchestra into single chip. ( e.g. crapple is ~already there. )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1822099 << not sure i grasp this. even wintel merrily sold un-fritzed boxen for many years, until 2nd bush-II term or so. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 18:26 mircea_popescu: the practical problem, though, is that depending of how generous you are with the notion of user, a world without such an interface may not even be possible.