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asciilifeform smoke-tested just nao; runs...
asciilifeform: clock, interestingly, set.
asciilifeform wonders where dks gets the oddball bios batteries the ancient crapples took
phf: neat, did you get crapple way ahead, or had it from before?
asciilifeform: phf: came as complete kit
asciilifeform: for 4k orcbux it'd better, lol
asciilifeform: ( iirc the crapple box per se is worth about a hundy on junkmarkets )
phf: ah, huh, he's an experienced showman, could've probably sold as a board, without anything else and still fetched the same price
asciilifeform: interestingly nobody but asciilifeform bid
asciilifeform: possibly i'm the last archaeologist who didn't have 1 yet, lol
phf: or it was always the same 5 people bidding
asciilifeform: already missed 1 last yr for, iirc, 3k, didn't want to wait until it's 5,6,9000 (or entirely extinct)
asciilifeform: phf: damned if i know. in as far as i can tell, the entire 'user komyoonity' consists of asciilifeform , phf, and a dozen http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693150 's ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 03:38 asciilifeform: https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals << in other lulz. ☟︎
phf: asciilifeform, that's entirely my impression. the xl that i bought went at asking price, because ^ wasn't bidding, the rest of them were bought by the same guy, and he was bidding against a handful of desperados. i suspect that the whole thing was a fluke, or rather the Rembrandt market was a combination of luck and skill on the part of dks
trinque: wahahah "completed: made some icons"
asciilifeform: i suspect it's moar like the high prices of illicit cell pnoje in jail. i.e. not high because megatonnes of money circulating, but because supply so thin.
asciilifeform: iirc in early 2000s, 'american express' unplugged its bolix cluster ( handled fraud detection thingie ) , and surplussed coupla hundred machines. wonder where they went.
asciilifeform: couldn't have all gone to the au recyclers, i dun think.
asciilifeform: for comparison, http://www.lispmachine.net/symbolics.txt is identical to the document i got from dks in '07. quotes 3.2k for the exact box i uncrated today.
phf: i bought a barely used eizo cg243w from a russian guy. it was one of his last possessions (no work and didn't want to become a "corporate whore"), and he talked about how quality of everything went down and keeps going down and that you really only can trust 2009 hardware at the latest. i wonder if there are more people like that hoarding their prized bolix, but without yet hitting the necessity to sell one.
asciilifeform: phf: i got 1 of those here, lol
asciilifeform: a+++ panel
asciilifeform: phf: quite possibly, hoarders
asciilifeform: also so happens also that the most recent piece of iron in the torture room , excluding FG, is from '09. ( the opterons in the box i'm sitting on nao. )
asciilifeform: well, also excluding ssd
asciilifeform possibly has laboratory instrument from later date, but can't immediately think which specifically
phf: well, he's not wrong
asciilifeform: imho moar or less exactly right.
asciilifeform: trinque: 'lisp engineer' (picture) is simply the most publicly-egregious example i know of . prolly there are others, similar, but with fewer lolcatpics
asciilifeform: at one time i actually went through his entire www, thinking to find even 1 shot of PAL/GAL with the sticker off, to identify the part. found 0.
phf: i think he took a bunch of macro photos of random parts, and wrote a zmachine version 0 emulators, which in itself can be noted, if the rest of it wasn't so obnoxious
asciilifeform: he wrote something ?! i had nfi
asciilifeform: he reminds me of that kanzure d00d, who 'look, i spent $2mil on microscope parts' 'so what didja micrograph?' '...'
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's purchase of 3620 back in the day may've been a dead end, but at least only wasted a handful of posts on subj.
asciilifeform: ( and also didn't pompously 'lisp engineer' title blog... )
mircea_popescu: some dead ends take walking to eliminate.
asciilifeform: sure do.
mircea_popescu: qatar eminent example, nothing one ~said~ could've done it.
phf: asciilifeform, https://github.com/LispEngineer/genera-src/tree/master/gczm and https://github.com/LispEngineer/genera-patches
phf: (there are some other hacks in genera-src, but i don't want to investigate at the moment)
asciilifeform: phf: the 2nd link contains dks patches
asciilifeform: the 1st, lol, port of 'zork' to bolix...
asciilifeform: iguess that's sumthing.
asciilifeform: ( at the very least, is moar than i've written for it )
phf: asciilifeform, yeah i just included the patches in case there's something interesting there (i don't know what the overlap of patchsets is between machines)
asciilifeform: funny how this thing boots faster than 'modern' microshits.
asciilifeform: ( 3620 was approx on part with winblowz for boot time )
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in heathen lulz, "Unity Web Player games are no longer playable on Chrome, Firefox, or Edge browsers."
mircea_popescu: what the fuck are they thinking, keks.
asciilifeform: wassat?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "unity" was a wanna-be proprietary alt-flash.
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Technologies << vaguely interesting to the entomologist, i guess. 100% vaporware, shit never worked nor was it ever useful. yet for reasons unclear it received the microsoft treatment, where usg.ibm started throwing money at it for no reason, rather than the http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/ usual pump-and-dump scam treatment.
mircea_popescu: ~why~ exactly the robohitler chose to act as if this piece of shit is "the future" for a decade starting cca 2010 is the faint interesting bit in here.
mircea_popescu: and before "conspiracy theory", as in "they have a mailing list, http://qntra.net/2015/11/disgraced-gavin-of-global-warming-government-scaling-debate-moves-on-to-alt-kook/ style, talked it over there in secret and consensused to pick this" : the idiots s.mg forked legacy eulora codebase from also famously "decided to switch to unity".
mircea_popescu: anyone with even cursory qualifications in software project management could have pointed out they have 0 chances of managing the switch before their chosen platform dies (they took 12+ years to fuck up the original codebase, glacial foss devcycles as only gnu can exemplify).
mircea_popescu: so, dorks with no connections and no resources somehow nevertheless managed to schelling on this. why the fuck ? what ? cuz it's got a cube-like "icon" and 2010 was all about cube-like icons, gotta kubinetes on unity ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: apparently yes had connections?
asciilifeform: or how else.
asciilifeform: or do they literally draw'em from hat.
mircea_popescu: hm ?
asciilifeform: in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881049 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 04:24 mircea_popescu: so, dorks with no connections and no resources somehow nevertheless managed to schelling on this. why the fuck ? what ? cuz it's got a cube-like "icon" and 2010 was all about cube-like icons, gotta kubinetes on unity ?
asciilifeform: evidently they're cousins of somebody or else. or else why picked by hitler.
mircea_popescu: the idiots s.mg forked legacy eulora codebase from << this is a group of random morons, hardly together enough to find which side of the wall it's raining on.
asciilifeform: a aaa
asciilifeform: i misread , thought was re 'unity'
mircea_popescu: no what i'm saying is : poor & stupid kids in peripheral village somehow picked same bit of entirely indistinct and utterly useless&dysfunctional flotsam as ibm.
asciilifeform: btw 'unity' seems to be pestilentially common on the various 3dvisor boxen
mircea_popescu: if this is the result of some kind of signalling, i'd like to know what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the question might be a little like "why are they all in flip flops, terrible design, utterly inconvenient, how the fuck is every dumbass on fetlife amange to pick em". ie, "pick nothing, it's what they had at the store. ALL they had at the store."
asciilifeform: 'crossplatform lib'isms that even half-work (e.g. 'qt') end up wildly popular, on acct of how much sweat they save if condition 'must run on microshit AND crapple' is a given for $product
mircea_popescu: yes, but qt is very fucking different from this unity thing.
asciilifeform: they dun need to not suck to be taken up, only to suck less than the 'native' variant, which is surprisingly easy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems similar enuff in concept
mircea_popescu: not at all. qt a) actually works and b) isn't going anywhere.
mircea_popescu: unity is three dorks and a shoe string. not working, never will work, won't be here in another few years.
asciilifeform: didnt nokia buy it? so ~could~ vanish
asciilifeform: qt that is
mircea_popescu: eh, qt will outlive nokia. like those old hydro plants in europe, went through 20+ "owners" that went bankrupt.
asciilifeform: entirely possible
mircea_popescu: which is my point here. you're comparing a hydro plant built on rhine cca 1880 with a franchised "fries on pizza!" extruded plastic truck
mircea_popescu: that hydro plant is NEVER going anywhere. if there's 5000 people left total, it'll still run.
asciilifeform wrote a fairly substantial ( tho unpublished and long ago retired ) proggy with qt, rewritten from wx; but never so much as touched 'unity'
mircea_popescu: my point exactly.
mircea_popescu: (let's take a moment for a libration in thanking the gods satoshi didn't fucking writer bitcoin in unity)
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: one bullet we dodged.
asciilifeform: recall 'freenet' btw ?
asciilifeform: notbad algo, but released in... java
asciilifeform: so stillborn.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: but all this said, i see the "multiplatform" angle.
mircea_popescu: qt is "not graphics friendly" so to speak.
asciilifeform: qt ( of last i saw it ) had a thin shim for opengl but iirc hat was all the '3dism' offered therein
asciilifeform: it's mostly used for ordinary boring guism, rather than game
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt to tie this into prev thread -- seems as if the bolix 3d engine, 1 of the 1st to be sold as such, still exists as commercial product, owned by some jp firm. naturally cppized and renamed. ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: !#s mirai
a111: 1 result for "mirai", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mirai
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: possibly misspelled..
asciilifeform: grr perhaps phf will recall when wakes up.
asciilifeform: http://www.izware.com/mirai/ << subj.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bTqWsVqyzE << the most well-known item produced with subj, afaik ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that looks 2001-terrible ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "Bulletin Board As you may have discovered, our bulletin board has recently been overrun by garbage posts, contributing in part to the crash of the Mirai forum. "
mircea_popescu: " As a result, we have decided to turn off the bulletin board while we search for a better product (hopefully one that will allow us to migrate our previous content). Just to let everyone know, we have been working quite busily over the past couple months, and will make announcements of any new product availability as soon as it/they become(s) available! "
mircea_popescu: epic.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881098 << mid-'80s item ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 05:30 mircea_popescu: that looks 2001-terrible
asciilifeform: ( baked on 36xx-series bolixen, will add, where 4m was serious mem.. )
amberglint: Hello everyone
lobbesbot: amberglint: Sent 2 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, and 7 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> your last line ties into the real estate thread. Easier to buy things than make things or have them made
amberglint: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881090 << not cppized, ported to Allegro Common Lisp actually ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 04:44 asciilifeform: ( phunphakt to tie this into prev thread -- seems as if the bolix 3d engine, 1 of the 1st to be sold as such, still exists as commercial product, owned by some jp firm. naturally cppized and renamed. )
amberglint: I have a copy if you are interested in it ☟︎
amberglint: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881097 << the most-well known item is the Lord of the Rings movie ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 04:59 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bTqWsVqyzE << the most well-known item produced with subj, afaik
amberglint: Gollum was modeled and animated in Mirai ☟︎
amberglint: the product was renamed twice, first to N-World, then to Mirai
amberglint: N-World was relatively popular among 90s game developers, used in the development of Super Mario 64 and Final Fantasy VII which are probably the most popular console games of their time
amberglint: it's still mentioned on Allegro CL's site: https://franz.com/success/customer_apps/animation_graphics/nichimen.lhtml
mircea_popescu: cool.
BingoBoingo: The afterlife is a helluva thing
BingoBoingo: a vecwes
BingoBoingo: a veces
asciilifeform: !Q later tell amberglint http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881109 << if you found the src, might be interesting , otherwise not imho esp. useful ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 10:22 amberglint: I have a copy if you are interested in it
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881112 << interesting, and esp. from the pov where the bolixiana hoarders quite resemble him... ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 10:23 amberglint: Gollum was modeled and animated in Mirai
asciilifeform: '...my precious!'(tm)(r)
phf: also https://franz.com/success/customer_apps/animation_graphics/izware.lhtml
feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2842 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 14A: Barretts Modular Reduction. (Part 1 of 2)
asciilifeform bbl,meat
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/post-malone/ << Trilema -- Post Malone
mircea_popescu: !Q later tell juliankunkel would you kindly spare us the join/part spamming ? can read the weblogs just fine, no need to be connected with nothing to say.
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and more generally, if it's a "oh, #trilema is item #608 on my list of 1850 vaguely maybe interesting items i found on the internet, among which i read to pass the time waiting for the bus or w/e" sorta affair forget about it altogether, there's 0 interest in supporting that kinda imbecility/pluralism/skepticism. ☟︎
diana_coman: I suppose log etiquette is not obvious
mircea_popescu: i doubt the problem's etiquette. seems to me much deeper issue than that, civillian pantsuit expects anything can be taken in "at his own rate" because his personal golden veal promised him there will never be such a thing as the calling in this world.
mircea_popescu: "nothing can ever be truly interesting" or w/e formulation.
diana_coman: hm, I don't yet see it that way but it'll become clear one way or another quite quickly
mircea_popescu defers, i see it from afar.
mircea_popescu: apparently it's called the golden calf, in english. pity, seems a wasted opportunity.
diana_coman: ah, I was scratching head re golden veal, lol; that'd be the steak basically
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/16/a-week-in-tmsr-3-9-december-2018/ << Ossasepia -- A Week in TMSR: 3-9 December 2018
mircea_popescu: http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/16/a-week-in-tmsr-3-9-december-2018/#selection-211.1-211.257 << maybe a bit of an overstatement. eg, turning off the checks will improve it still.
diana_coman: right, no ways to improve the algorithms rather
mircea_popescu: http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/16/a-week-in-tmsr-3-9-december-2018/#selection-263.110-263.118 << salve is the other one, from salus ("health", really though more like "indemnity"). cons rom reg phyrrh ~salutem~.
mircea_popescu: there's two basic salutations, anthropo-objectively speaking : "i'm with you" and "may you be ok".
diana_coman: ftr the whole thing took a bit less than 3 hours including some re-reading of stuff just-because
diana_coman: this is not to say that any week would take the same, as I don't expect it would
mircea_popescu: imo it's pretty good!
mircea_popescu: and nicole is not in the slightest jealous at all.
diana_coman: I thought she was anyway moving on to doing the ocr thing?
diana_coman: anyway, this is mainly because of this repeated "oh, this was around for ages; uhm, no, actually since ~2 months ago"
diana_coman: ah, ah, re time; well, it's the 3 hours after ..how many years
mircea_popescu: :p
mircea_popescu: "five dollars -- knob ; five grand -- the time it took to learn which"
mircea_popescu: but yes, pretty good both as to time taken and as to content produced!
diana_coman: the knob+time is always and forever as it was
diana_coman: and thank you for all the feedback!
diana_coman: corrections added with links in a comment too
mircea_popescu: "The article is short, its embedded references are a den of rabbit holes. " << this last one has, (i counted), 22 links. half of which (exactly) are linked to-reference inside, and most of the reference indices are three digits. one's 4 digits (2781!). the average is 427 (exactly!) and considering that thing counts objects...
mircea_popescu: i'd say my articles are getting better, or rather that it seems to me there was a quality jump sometime this year. but this is to me, from outside i suspect the complexity just exploded (again).
diana_coman hasn't yet read the Post Malone thing
diana_coman: but re articles on trilema in general I'd say that they certainly build a LOT on pre-existing stuff so yes, on one hand better and on the other hand more complex
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the db issue, because yes i've been mulling it though, it is ~probably~ an unresolvable conundrum. things like trilema laughing at http://trilema.com/2014/mircea-popescu-is-an-asshole/ slash 2014 douchebags entirely depend on its underlying database (and its usage thereof) being very well flattened into vanishing nothingness. meanwhile items like the search discussed last time, support for transactions (which
mircea_popescu: a blog doesn't fucking need! at all!) and so on all come at a cost. which cost you strictly and unmitigatably can not afford in web-facing production environments, period and full stop. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ie, we're straight back to a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877543 : when it comes to flight, the strategy must include separating the egg laying part out of the airplane. whereas when it comes to fit-in-head or what have you, elegance, self-containedness, the egg laying part must be included in the airplane. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:21 mircea_popescu: "the notion that airplanes could reproduce through laying eggs is merely a naive extension, in the vein of 'object A has properties a and b ; object B shares property a and therefore it is reasonable ~~~on a first approximation~~~ to expect it exhibit proerty b'. nevertheless, artifacts differ from nature in that one fundamental aspect, that they're inefficient, and therefore to achieve same ends end up heavy, and in the case
mircea_popescu: these are contrary, and the contrast is unresolvable, either you go for tall girls or you go for light girls. there's no tall light girls.