kakobrekla: also unrelated, ex asseteer wences is now on board of director as paypal it seems
kakobrekla: at paypal*
mircea_popescu: aww, no more xapo is going to revolutionize and things ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla oh wait, different coin-derps ? a well. there goes a good laugh.
mircea_popescu: NO PHOTON LEFT BEHIND!
mircea_popescu: "A Proposal for Correcting Social Inequities Intrinsic to the Drunkard's Walk: No Photon Left Behind"
mircea_popescu: Classical physics demands certainty. Quantum mechanics demands probability. Diversity demands one more turn of the screw - nullity. We cannot allow the impositions of society to crush the aspirations of culture. Those who are empirically materially productive steal wealth from those who pursue transient hedonistic objectively valueless personal agendas. Diversity is admission for reason of disqualification. Ill-gotten
mircea_popescu: gains from focused efforts must be confiscated by higher authority and distributed to the deserving, less user fees.
mircea_popescu: dis dude....
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo have you read uncleal btw ? you gotta read uncleal.
kakobrekla: coindesk = 'news site' , coinbase = 'exchange'
mircea_popescu: aha.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I prolly need to read moar Uncle Al, so far barely touched the stuff. Most of today's time was spent capping wires and Moar Batteries.
mircea_popescu: lol making the bombs ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, hearthily recommended, should prolly be on the "introductory reading materials" for new and aspiring qntra editors.
BingoBoingo: Nah, Just getting myself to a solid two or so hour uptime with storm season approaching.
BingoBoingo: And capping wires because why should outlets and switches to nowhere need power?
mircea_popescu: dja have one of those gasoline generators or "not-available-in-2nd-best-korea" ?
BingoBoingo: gasoline generator is a loud theftmagnet
mircea_popescu: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/photons.htm << this thing's a fucking riot. "photon of color" totally makes the whole piece.
assbot: NO PHOTON LEFT BEHIND! ... ( http://bit.ly/1OrWk0B )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you can always bury it.
BingoBoingo: Anysort of actual generation capacity is waiting for wizard tower.
mircea_popescu: (not completely, needs air, but pretty well nevertheless)
BingoBoingo: I've see buried natural gas, uncle has one.
BingoBoingo: For wizard tower looking to do PV and FeNi batteries when the time comes. Until then just doing the off the shelf UPS deal.
mircea_popescu: also works.
pete_dushenski: mod6: you around ?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369180 << heh. why the hell not, y'know ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 14:02:09; mircea_popescu: "Why Mr. Schwartz, that is brilliant! We have no staff positions open at this time, but we will certainly try your idea."
BingoBoingo also spied cheap dedi box on clearance will set up trb node on linux when datacenter gets back to me about paying them.
mircea_popescu: because of the very obvious danger this approach poses, pete_dushenski
mircea_popescu: it's the equivalent of a bug going "oh hey, there's some food here. how come ? i didn't put it there ? well... i guess i'll just have some,w hat's the worst that can happen".
mircea_popescu: if the company you manage behaves as an approximation of a cockroach, your wife needs a divorce.
pete_dushenski: *squish*
pete_dushenski: or "this tastes kinda like poi...."
mircea_popescu: and you need 100% of your production redirected away from you, through taxes, spousal support and any and all other available avenues. because omfg.
pete_dushenski: it's really only an approach for companies spending someone else's money
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369219 << i can definitely see b-a being too fast for herr t. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 16:20:20; ascii_butugychag: as, possibly, taleb, et al
mircea_popescu: "wavelength as a second parameter photons" ahahahaha omfg.
pete_dushenski: this is, recall, the guy who shows up to coffee dates sometimes ~hours~ early, just so he isn't late.
mircea_popescu: lol
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369296 <--> http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/27/she-santa-brings-toys-robo-reindeer-bring-the-pain/ ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 17:18:22; ascii_butugychag: !s roboclaus
assbot: She-santa brings the presents, robo-reindeer bring the pain. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OrX4ms )
pete_dushenski: it's the reindeer that were robo
pete_dushenski: no homo
mircea_popescu: !up guest21333
BingoBoingo: So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches?
BingoBoingo: The coolest latest stuff seems to have not sync'd
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> mod6: you around ? << yup
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13058 @ 0.00050094 = 6.5413 BTC [+]
shinohai: @ BingoBoingo I still wound up patching manually :/
BingoBoingo: I'm closer to getting it to work
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> The coolest latest stuff seems to have not sync'd << because the two latest ones haven't been read or tested by me yet.
mircea_popescu: in general people should be able to make their own decision based on keys, rather than pile up on you to review neh ?
mod6: you should be able to drop those patches into your patches directory for V, and then also put the seals in your seals dir -- once that's complete doing `./v.pl f` should show you a flow with those patches in there with 'asciilifeform' as the signatory.
mod6: after this, you should be able to press out a new trb that includes the latest patches, then build from there.
BingoBoingo: So do I need to unpack a source Bitcoin tarball anywhere special?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> in general people should be able to make their own decision based on keys, rather than pile up on you to review neh ? << i don't see a problem with doing it this way.
mod6: i can throw those in there. just a moment
shinohai: I got as far as pressing, but code doesnt change mod6 :/
mod6: were the new patches included in your 'flow' output?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00050933 = 12.2239 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: first press seems fine
BingoBoingo: Also what if you want to press 3 heads at same time?
mod6: it does a single head.
BingoBoingo: So do you press head, press other head, etc or something else
mod6: ok those two latest patches and their corresponding seals from asciilifeform are in the mirror.
mod6: you should be able to sync the whole thing now and get those ones as well.
BingoBoingo: k
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> So do you press head, press other head, etc or something else << no, you can just up through a given vpatch in the flow.
mod6: *press up
BingoBoingo: But I mean to get the next head do you just repeat pressing with a different head or???
BingoBoingo: So if there are three heads I want I'd press 3 times
mod6: just one press at a time. choose a new output dir to ensure clean press.
BingoBoingo: k
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> So if there are three heads I want I'd press 3 times << no should just be able to choose the last one in the flow output
mod6: then it should press all that come before it.
BingoBoingo: There is no single last one. There's 3 last ones.
mod6: im about to do this, just a sec.
BingoBoingo: AH, I was doing leaves, not flow
BingoBoingo: my bad
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_butugychag
BingoBoingo: Ok, I've got a everything
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369493 << turned loooong ago ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:01:18; kakobrekla: also unrelated, ex asseteer wences is now on board of director as paypal it seems
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369531 <<<<<< ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:19:11; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369219 << i can definitely see b-a being too fast for herr t.
mircea_popescu: this, unfortunately, is unfixable.
ascii_butugychag: rather http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369530 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:18:25; pete_dushenski: it's really only an approach for companies spending someone else's money
mircea_popescu: it is easy for the young to ignore the outright heroic accomplishment that it is for say 60yos to just keep track of this mess.
ascii_butugychag: brb train
mircea_popescu: but... one time you'll be 60, and you'll have the opportunity to pick up teenaged chicks off the street. and you'll try, i'm sure, and manage, i'm sure. right ?
pete_dushenski: obligatory re: wences : http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/21/wences-whacked-xapo-zapped/
assbot: Wences whacked, Xapo zapped. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RNOkvt )
mod6: BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/1MP1W10.txt & for future ref.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RNOhzT )
pete_dushenski: "Wences: Okay, I agree with that, friend ; I don’t want to offend you, so I am going to use my mom as an example." << can you spot the three tell-tale scammer hooks here ?
mod6: shinohai: see if you can get the same as me ^^ (see dpaste)
BingoBoingo: ty mod6
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369453 << lol11!! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 21:26:30; shinohai: Heh France. And he comes asking #b-a to surrender .....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0005003 = 8.5551 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> ty mod6 << np. good questions.
mircea_popescu: funny how nobody in france and generally in the "nordic model" train of euro-socialistoid train wants to remember how, by and large, french society was either supportive or indifferent of the nazis, and how "la resistance" maps almost exactly on what today would be "extreme righyt wing extremism", and how de gaulle, the exact equivalent of say arafat, got to re-write history into some delusional "all france stood behin
mircea_popescu: d us" chiefly because it served the anglo puppet masters.
mircea_popescu: "things better left unsaid", stuff like La France being a lot more a creation of militant, government-bombing activism than christianity. and so on.
mircea_popescu: heck, modern spain was built on the rape-and-pillage of more civilised, peace loving, law abiding muslims by religious zealots.
ben_vulpes: noches
BingoBoingo: !up Cristina_
ben_vulpes: > CGI:IRC << til
ben_vulpes: > vexual-on-stupid-drugs << ahahaha hey lissen LOOK HOW MUCH WORSE IT COULD BE
asciilifeform: so i didn't finish, train went in tunnel,
asciilifeform: re: surrender,
asciilifeform: what would that ~look~ like ??!
asciilifeform: is there a magic door to surrender into ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: computes on commute?
ben_vulpes: now /that/ is luxury
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha why the fuq not
asciilifeform: it's an hour+ of train
asciilifeform: don't they have gsm modems in the zimbabwe where you live ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20644 @ 0.0005036 = 10.3963 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: (in my zimbabwe we do, but tunnels have spotty reception)
ben_vulpes: i have yet to build the partial-differential-equable-actuator-standing-on-ball to haul computer along on the walk to the office
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: why does ben_vulpes even need to ~go~ to his office
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-01-2016#1369104 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 12:44:21; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368052 << plant foreman generally works...at plant
asciilifeform: buy one of those robots with camera and lcd ?
ben_vulpes: youthful architectural mistakes on one hand
asciilifeform: the kind that rolls around
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i actually enjoy my carbon units
asciilifeform: staff consists of pretty gurlz ? hm ok
ben_vulpes: you've seen the handwritings
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes makes women program ipNoje ?
asciilifeform: what cruelty..
ben_vulpes: make nothing, no more than mircea_popescu makes gurlz enslave themselves to him
asciilifeform: in other nyoooz,
asciilifeform: http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A08093&term=2015&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Votes=Y&Memo=Y&Text=Y
asciilifeform: turns out ny is the mecca of clipperchipdom,
asciilifeform: who knew.
asciilifeform: 'Relates to the manufacture and sale of smartphones on and after January 1, 2016 that are capable of being decrypted and unlocked by the manufacturer or its operating system provider.'
asciilifeform: 'Recent technological advances have the potential to greatly embolden online criminals, providing new methods for abusers to avoid detection. The United States Attorney General, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and others have severely criticized the efforts of smartphone manufacturers to keep evidence immune from lawful process. Criticism, however, is not enough. In some cases, perpetrators take advantage
asciilifeform: of encryption and anonymizing technology to conceal contraband materials and disguise their locations. Andrew Weissmann, a former FBI general counsel, has publically called the use of such encryption technology outrageous. According to his analysis, even a judge's decision that there is probable cause tosuspect a crime has been committed won't get Apple or Google to help retrieve potential evidence. In essence these companies
asciilifeform: are announcing to criminals, 'use this device.''
asciilifeform: best of all,
asciilifeform: 'Justice Department officials have said that if the new systems work as advertised, they will make it virtually impossible to solve some cases,as the companies have promised customers the equivalent of a house that can't be searched, or a car trunk that could never be opened.'
asciilifeform: 2. Establishes that any smartphone manufactured after January 1, 2016 and sold or leased in New York must be capable of being decrypted by itsmanufacturer 3. Establishes the penalty to those who knowingly sell or lease smartphones that cannot be decrypted or unlocked by the manufacturer, andprovides that sellers and lessors are prohibited from passing any portion of penalty costs on to customers.
asciilifeform: etc...
ben_vulpes: http://dogs.shithouse.tv/
assbot: dogs ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcogVP )
asciilifeform: in unrelated nyooz, i just came back from a party thrown by $firm, at a kind of cryptological theme park. and one of the riddles involved a skytale.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16946 @ 0.00050782 = 8.6055 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: (scytale ?)
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: buy one of those robots with camera and lcd ? << we have one of those in our office that rolls around and shit. it's actually not bad, although don't see why a conference call can't suffice...
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369582 << https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/610831-every-social-association-that-is-not-face-to-face-is-injurious-to ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 01:23:57; assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:19:11; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369219 << i can definitely see b-a being too fast for herr t.
assbot: Quote by Nassim Nicholas Taleb: “Every social association that is not face-to-fa...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcovjN )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wut surrender ?
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, i'm starting to be real suspicious over here about plainly observable nonliniarities in the flow of time.
mircea_popescu: for instance... did you know that ~20% of women looking to hook up are 29 ?
thestringpuller: ^- yea. i think >50% of women who hook up before that age end up "regretting it"
ben_vulpes: that cuspy "ohmigaerd the fun times are about to be oooover" age
mircea_popescu: innit.
mircea_popescu: some of them don't even look 45.
thestringpuller: it's amazing what a gym membership can do
ben_vulpes: and sleep.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369635 << wait, it's, to quote, "your profile is very interesting, not to mention your devilish good looks" ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 02:19:37; ben_vulpes: make nothing, no more than mircea_popescu makes gurlz enslave themselves to him
ben_vulpes: i have farcial hair now, total game-changer
mircea_popescu: " According to his analysis, even a judge's decision that there is probable cause tosuspect a crime has been committed won't" << oh no, what ever more fearsome thing than when the fiction begins to fray.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: what level of evilness is your facial hair? >> http://i.imgur.com/PHmF5.jpg
ben_vulpes: unkempt-i-haven't-had-time-to-sleep-much-less-shave-and-no-my-farcial-hair-doesn't-have-complete-coverage-yet-thank-you-very-much
ben_vulpes: send help i have faulty genes
mircea_popescu: you're just young!
mircea_popescu: i couldn't really grow a decent beard before my 30s.
ben_vulpes: "you're not a man until you can get a girl off just by tickling her with your whiskers"
mircea_popescu: isn't that "you're not an alley cat until..." ?
thestringpuller: i thought girls hated getting scratched by beards?
mircea_popescu: but in other news : chocolate cake being in the making, i was humbly presented with spoon of ganache to lick. (yes while sitting here, ha!). and so i did and because of my beard ... the pleasant scent still floats around my nose.
ben_vulpes: > scrofula
ben_vulpes: I R INSULT
ben_vulpes: > and only two years remain before they will be having a layoff << work for other people, get fired by other people
ben_vulpes: work for clients, get fired by clients
ben_vulpes: death comes for us all
ben_vulpes: pay for your gravestone today!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369687 << i think i only paid enough for pirannhas ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 02:47:05; ben_vulpes: pay for your gravestone today!
asciilifeform: and i bet they are already hatched, somewhere.
asciilifeform recently changed professions in a direction that probably brings them a little nearer
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369678 << pet loves scratchy ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 02:39:41; mircea_popescu: isn't that "you're not an alley cat until..." ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369573 << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 01:20:17; BingoBoingo: There is no single last one. There's 3 last ones.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369526 << there is only one Great Cockroach, and all of these folks are merely fuzz upon its antennae. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:15:32; mircea_popescu: if the company you manage behaves as an approximation of a cockroach, your wife needs a divorce.
asciilifeform: and it is an iron cockroach, and quite indifferent to poison.
asciilifeform: so it loses a sub-whisker now and again. doesn't even notice.
asciilifeform: grows ten more.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369542 << there was a v mirror ?!! wut? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:48:18; BingoBoingo: So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369522 << btw, i've actually been in this comical situation, on more than one occasion ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:14:23; assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 14:02:09; mircea_popescu: "Why Mr. Schwartz, that is brilliant! We have no staff positions open at this time, but we will certainly try your idea."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Per the latest mod6 v script, playing with all the things
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369510 << they are ubiquitous where i live. i think literally everybody, other than flat-dwellers, has one ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:09:39; mircea_popescu: dja have one of those gasoline generators or "not-available-in-2nd-best-korea" ?
asciilifeform: with possible exception of folks whose gen was stolen and haven't gotten around to buying a new one yet
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369476 << somebody with an 's' name, i think... smickles ?? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 23:45:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369354 << who was this ?
asciilifeform: ;;seen smickles
gribble: smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 31 weeks, 0 days, 22 hours, 45 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <smickles> easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs
asciilifeform: maybe not
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369394 << this is what 'will is everything' looks like - a mental asylum, half full of provocateur stooges, half - of diagnosable imbeciles ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 19:19:53; shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo #VanillaISIS goes actual ISIS: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/isis-supporter-joins-ammon-bundys-armed-occupation-as-resident-computer-expert/
asciilifeform: !s new york death ray
assbot: 12 results for 'new york death ray' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=new+york+death+ray
asciilifeform: if death ray man were not already in jail, he would find good company in oregon.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369542 << there was a v mirror ?!! wut? << the only mirror at this time is http://thebitcoin.foundation ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:48:18; BingoBoingo: So, why is the v mirror so behind on patches?
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQkfe3 )
mod6: your latest two patches & corresponding seals were added.
asciilifeform: mod6: the www ?
asciilifeform: or is there some rsync thing going
mod6: well, it's really http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/
assbot: Index of /v ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTlXJl )
asciilifeform: ah
mod6: but you don't hvae to know the subdir to make the sync work properly. you just put the root URL of the given mirror
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the malleus thing was a real win. nodez going strong.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: cool.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369573 << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ? << i think what we need is basically like an RFC of the thing to explain the overall concepts and baseline functions. this way anyone can implement their own V without having to parse mine, yours, or bens, or whomever. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 01:20:17; BingoBoingo: There is no single last one. There's 3 last ones.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> FIGHT ME IRL UNCLE AL << youi have to appreciate this is before your oregon was invented
mod6: I just need to get to it. lol. lot on my plate. if anyone would like to start work on this with direction from me that'd be fine too. just let me know.
mircea_popescu: (you may not know of all the 90s "urban revival" attempts that created such as modern portland etc, after a seattle blueprint)
mod6: so currently, the main thing im working on/looking at is a possible high/low-S vpatch
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369526 << there is only one Great Cockroach, and all of these folks are merely fuzz upon its antennae. << it's funny how much of a judeoxtian fundamentalist you are seeing how you don't even alphabet! wouldn't something equally ridiculous like indian-whatever go better with your semiotic ideas ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:15:32; mircea_popescu: if the company you manage behaves as an approximation of a cockroach, your wife needs a divorce.
asciilifeform: mod6: it could make sense as a toggle flag
asciilifeform: esp. when we finally get that mine pool
mircea_popescu: mod6 basically all it needs is a test-and-substract.
mod6: was thinking that. could just have a switch for "classic" mode where you get the 50/50 action on high/low, or only low-S.
mircea_popescu: (this can be tacked on at the end, the protocol is really that shitty)
asciilifeform: or all-highS
asciilifeform: (i still fail to grasp why we are caving to the enemy on this one)
mod6: is there a reason for only high-S ?
asciilifeform: to fill our high-S-only pool, of course!111
mod6: ok, other than that?
asciilifeform: can't think of for what else
asciilifeform: thing is, like it or not, high-S is LEGITIMATELY bitcoin
asciilifeform: just as low-S
mod6: yeup, ofc.
asciilifeform: if idiot miners arbitrarily decide not to mine tx-en that are equal to 3 congruent modulo 17, what, we also will not generate these ?
mod6: but, i'd be nice to ship a bitcoinatron that actually bitcoinates without the weird shit. i'd like Mr. P. to be able to send coins without issues.
mod6: *it'd
asciilifeform: to me this reads as an argument in favour of a high-S pool
asciilifeform: rather than adding talmudistry to trb
asciilifeform: if idiot miners disregard perfectly legit tx because it tickles gavin's sphincter,
mod6: so here's a thing -- if I make a vpatch for this, one doesn't need to build with it either. but one could, and that should resolve the issue.
asciilifeform: somebody ought to be collecting those fees!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun think you understand how this works.
mircea_popescu: blocks aren't individual items. they are chained.
asciilifeform: aha..
asciilifeform: and miner gets to select ANY valid tx-en for his block
mircea_popescu: there isn't a "you do yours and i do mine" thing here. IF we decide to mine as much as one single high s block, this INVALIDATES all further work of all noncompliant miners. forever.
mircea_popescu: For. Ever.
mircea_popescu: we currently can at any point revert to high-s, or any-s.
asciilifeform: iirc nobody patched prb so that ~block~ containing high-S is invalid
mircea_popescu: they can not.
asciilifeform: only that they are not selected for blocks
asciilifeform: or relayed
mircea_popescu: yes, they did, that's what the "soft fork" debacle was all about.
asciilifeform: i thought it was only the relay and selector
asciilifeform: (and, naturally, tx generator)
mircea_popescu: bitcoin split specificallyt because miners "voted" to approve the (non controversial, even here, see logs) patch
mircea_popescu: then failed to implement it
mircea_popescu: then mined a block with high-s and the whole shebang was forked for 36 hours
mircea_popescu: this is why we do not give a rat;s ass about "voting", fundamentally : they already had a vote that indicated ~100% miner agreement that then had 0% actual support.
asciilifeform digs for the prb src
mircea_popescu: and incidentally - if it weren't cheaper to implement than to just forget it, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DROPPED
mircea_popescu: votes or no votes.
asciilifeform: what made it cheaper ?
mircea_popescu: (non controversial, even here, see logs)
mircea_popescu: anyway, understand the strategic situation here. i can, at this and any future point, decide to revert this soft fork. they can not, they are committed to forever sticking to it.
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to lead this ace into random trick.
mircea_popescu: blockbridge!
asciilifeform: if prb considers blocks after certain height containing high-S to be invalid, in what sense was the fork soft ?
asciilifeform: i thought 'soft' forks were ones which ~only~ concerned relaying
mircea_popescu: mno. soft forks are a narrowing of the protocol.
mircea_popescu: they can be applied by convention. as the chance is still valid by everyone's rule, no changes are needed.
mircea_popescu: hard forks are a change of the protocol. as the change is NOT valid by everyone's rules, it is definitionally an alt coin.
asciilifeform: aha. so that would be if prb behaved as i believed it did, where it will still eat a block generated by 2009 rules
mircea_popescu: generally the reason power rangers keep wanting to hide the chain and the validation mechanisms is simply that
mircea_popescu: their version of bitcoin is not actually valid as per the bitcoin protocol.
mircea_popescu: barely hangs on by a mix of "grandfathering" and "don't look in this box", much like the usg that spawned them.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, building atop that shit is an excursion in insanity, which is why ONLY usg-financed "companies" do it (in the sense of pretending to do anything besides hiring more ustards and eating rubber chickens at "conferences")
ben_vulpes: i do not see the point at all in differentiating between txnen-which-are-relayed and txn-which-are-mined
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think you are conflating the DER encoding thing with the high/low-S thing
asciilifeform: they were separate items
asciilifeform: and i am looking at prb right now, it generates low-S only, and ditto for relay, but i see nothing that would force it to reject a block CONTAINING a high-S tx
asciilifeform: what am i missing
mircea_popescu: you seem to be operating on the delusional notion miners user prb ?!
mircea_popescu: !up changenie
mircea_popescu: hi there changenie
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not speaking of miners, but of your earlier statement re:, approx, 'mining a high-S-containing block is a perma-fork'
asciilifeform: trying to figure out how this is so
mircea_popescu: and you are right, BIP66 was "strict DER".
mircea_popescu: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0066.mediawiki << pretty good discussion.
assbot: bips/bip-0066.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/201qFup )
asciilifeform: i am trying to grasp what, precisely, would happen, if mircea_popescu or anybody were to build a high-S miner
mircea_popescu: for some reason the whole high/low S thing is part and parcel of this in my head.
asciilifeform: 'The requirement to have signatures that comply strictly with DER has been enforced as a relay policy by the reference client since v0.8.0, and very few transactions violating it are being added to the chain as of January 2015. ' <<< ahahaha turns out i was right, even per the horse's own mouth
asciilifeform: you ~can~ miner high-S without permafork
asciilifeform: *mine
asciilifeform: but somehow 'everybody' was persuaded not to
asciilifeform: (because ????????)
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is something we can experiment with once someone picks up the pool thing ?
asciilifeform: well certainly not with bare hands.
asciilifeform: but my earlier hypothesis was that a high (or at least nondiscriminatory)-S pool would specifically have an edge.
asciilifeform: (because 'market' for them, if you will, is under-served for no good reason)
mircea_popescu: not really. because it is trivial to malleate txn
mircea_popescu: see, miner that sees high-S tx can either reject it, or just low-S it.
asciilifeform: malleate prior to your pool seeing the original ?
asciilifeform: let'em try their luck
mircea_popescu: it's happening all the time ?
mircea_popescu: i currently send both kinds, and the mined blocks include the low-ified S all the time.
mircea_popescu: no miner rejects high S txn as such.
asciilifeform: incidentally i still don't fully grasp the point of the whole malleation thing
asciilifeform: with whom, specifically, does it screw ?
mircea_popescu: there is no fucking point. what is the point of https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/25/8b/5d/258b5d875293b906b5c97c318c92de29.jpg other than "get all these bitches lined up in thin plastic wrapped young titties so we can stroke it better" ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/201r3c8 )
mircea_popescu: that's how "states" are built, you're supposed to be aped by the awesome power of this imaginary thing that lo! it makes whole rafts of bitches to absurd shit like this
mircea_popescu: when you can't even get one to spread properly.
asciilifeform: i must be simple-minded, then
asciilifeform: because i don't see the mega-point
asciilifeform: tx malleation brings not one single hooligan a step closer to the pirannha tank.
mircea_popescu: wut ?
mircea_popescu: did i just talk through you ?
asciilifeform: possibly?
asciilifeform: how is tx malleation supposed to impress anybody with the majesty of usg ?
asciilifeform: it doesn't ~do~ anything
asciilifeform: it's got no tits.
mircea_popescu: but "everyone" does it. and you want to be just like everyone, don't you ?
mircea_popescu: tits are for older boys, like they had in pre-nazi germany.
mircea_popescu: for the raft of 3yos the us is infested with, tits yet hold a different meaning than ravishment.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i would suppose that is "child porn" by today's standards, right ? buncha fourteen year olds in clingwrap tops.
mircea_popescu: whar is teh compliance documents!11
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to fully formulate the impedance mismatch here, because on reread this isn't satisfactory. suppose you have a chain of blocks, B1...Bn. suppose you also have a chain (different concepts) of txn , T1...Tm.
mircea_popescu: all miners, whether they be S-indiscriminate or S-selective can mine T1 necessarily. the latter as is ; the former as T1 in 50% of cases and as T1' in the remainder cases, where T1' = C-T1
mircea_popescu: should T1' be mined, then T2...TN is now invalid, and will have to be resent.
asciilifeform: well yes
mircea_popescu: it's true that this costs S-indiscriminate miners the txn fees of T2-Tn, but
asciilifeform: but the S-selection does not appear to touch block-validity-tester at all!
asciilifeform: in any known client
mircea_popescu: a) the expectation is, as you've seen, that i'll get an accountant out of bed and on my own dime fix the mess power rangers made because hey, why not, it's a decentralized protocol which means some idiots break it and the world fixes it
asciilifeform: DER-encoding thing? yes.
asciilifeform: S ? no
mircea_popescu: however more importantly b) there is NO WAY for neutral-S miners to profit from T2-Tn as-is.
mircea_popescu: so yet another aspect of the well familiar by now disaster of commons
mircea_popescu: but i must an' gladly do commend your stubborn insistence because yeah in fact i was conflating two things in mah head.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11430 @ 0.00051319 = 5.8658 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: now, if subsidy was more like 25 cents than 25 BTC, we wouldn't even have this discussion.
mircea_popescu: but sadly... it's hard to make a function to describe future human behaviour.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23902 @ 0.00051548 = 12.321 BTC [+] {4}
phf: asciilifeform: cryptological theme park, is that the spy museum or this some other facility?
asciilifeform: phf: nah, a sorta restaurant/club
asciilifeform: корпоратив.
phf: huh
asciilifeform: phf: one of those places that exists for 'team building' gymnastics
phf: aah, i see
phf: because a cryptology themed restaurant, that would be something i'd want to see. nsa contractors go there for burgers, kind of ironically, but also cause it's close to "the location". spy memorabilia, but all utterly obscure for a casual observer. cute frequency analysis problems sprinkled all over
asciilifeform: they have (had? it's been a while) colourful substitution cipher rebuses in the 'starbucks' around dc area
phf: i vaguely recall that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41616 @ 0.00051619 = 21.4818 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: "old crows", used to be a thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00051584 = 11.1937 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up idkwhat2dowithmy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37909 @ 0.00051203 = 19.4105 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00050684 = 3.1171 BTC [-]
idkwhat2dowithmy: Thank you mircea, I've been reading qntra and thought I'd pop in here
mircea_popescu: cool.
BingoBoingo almost has build machine back together to resume V-enture
BingoBoingo: V-enture seems to have worked
mircea_popescu: wd!
BingoBoingo: atm rescanning an ancient wallet to see if anything is there. Hopefully datacenter gets back to me tomorrow about dedi-box, which is practice for colo-box
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26287 @ 0.00050796 = 13.3527 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13682 @ 0.00050796 = 6.9499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35150 @ 0.00050484 = 17.7451 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00049927 = 16.8753 BTC [-] {2}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.15378746 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b71
BingoBoingo: That trump bet's looking like it could make it to 100 BTC
BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000111 / 0.000111 / 0.000111 (530 shares, 0.06 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.0001184 / 0.00013 (2930 shares, 0.35 BTC)
BingoBoingo: trb behaving as expected so far, no forgetten gold in the wallet.dat yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9636 @ 0.00051059 = 4.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00051309 = 18.1121 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18936 @ 0.0005155 = 9.7615 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15617 @ 0.0005118 = 7.9928 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7621 @ 0.00050253 = 3.8298 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00050253 = 1.5578 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00050179 = 10.939 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: http://i.imgur.com/kbB3Z84.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kf4bNs )
punkman: https://www.rt.com/news/328844-indonesia-suicide-attacks-isis/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYqiNpkUoAAnxK2.jpg check out the diy grenades
assbot: Suspected ISIS attacks in Jakarta — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/231amAd )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/231amAh )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00051 = 8.976 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: punkman the whole thing of even having black people in star wars. seriously ? the retcon of all time.
mircea_popescu: "oh black people always existed, we just didn't film any back in the 60s."
fluffypony: Billy Dee Williams (who played Lando Calrissian) was in Empire Strikes Back and in Return of the Jedi
fluffypony: and he's black as night
shinohai: ;;blocks
gribble: 393287
mircea_popescu: so the retcon forks off episode V rather than episode I ? or wait... actually this franchise starts midway does it ?
mircea_popescu: i guess that's what i get for commenting on stuff i never bothered to actually see.
shinohai: I skipped the Jar-Jar awfulness. I have seen first 3 movies and the latest
mircea_popescu: mmkay so : Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope being the 1977 & first release of the thing, has no black people in it. does it ?
shinohai: I don't recall. Don't think so unless it is a background character.
fluffypony: well
mircea_popescu: "Star Wars was released theatrically in the United States on May 25, 1977. It earned $461 million in the US and $314 million overseas, totaling $775 million. It surpassed Jaws (1975) to become the highest-grossing film of all time; its gross was later surpassed by that of E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982). When adjusted for inflation as of 2013" << check it out, there was inflation since the 80s ?!
fluffypony: it kinda did
fluffypony: David Prowse was black
mircea_popescu: ah did it ? alrighty then.
fluffypony: but I doubt many people knew it
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do these people still bitch about it then ?!
fluffypony: I mean James Earl Jones, not David Prowse
shinohai: Ah!
fluffypony: and in the prequels there was Samuel L Jackson
mircea_popescu has no idea who any of these people are, googles the latter, he looks about as black as wesley snipes wtf.
shinohai: But alas, James Earl Jones was but a voice, underneath they still made vadar a wrinkly old white guy.
mircea_popescu: oh
mircea_popescu: voice actor
fluffypony: yeah, that's why I said I doubt many people knew that Darth Vader's voice was a black guy
mircea_popescu: i dun think it would have "count"-ed for the same people.
shinohai: Samuel L Jackson kills in th the new Hateful Eight movie.
fluffypony: I guess the running joke is that most of the films only had 1 (visible) black actor/actress
mircea_popescu: eh, his best work is pulp fiction.
fluffypony: but they had a bunch of aliens, so it's a dumb argument
fluffypony: "there weren't enough Gungans in the original trilogy!"
fluffypony: #GunganLivesMatter
shinohai: I liked Four Rooms, but that was only co-produced.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well moreover it's only relevant in the sense of fan service commentary. "oh, really, it just so happened all your bridge bunnies were 180 and freshly laid off the siegfried follies ? fancy that coincidence into the future!"
punkman: episode 4 had one black person, then the added a bunch more in 5 and 6
mircea_popescu: "oh, you made a movie in 2010 and there's a buncha black dudes in it ? how considerate of you, where were you in 1952!"
fluffypony: punkman: Lando Calrissian was the only memorable on-screen black character, tho
fluffypony: but in a movie where a small green hobbit-creature is a major star, I don't know if that counts
mircea_popescu: he looks spanish
fluffypony: to a South African most "African Americans" look mixed-race
shinohai: Moorish
punkman: fluffypony: much more than Samuel L. Jackson
mircea_popescu: shinohai yeah, or i guess brazillian-portuguese.
shinohai: mircea_popescu is right, he would be the perfect space Moor
mircea_popescu: fluffypony that'd be because they are lol.
fluffypony: yeah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00050045 = 14.0626 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: saw a proper black dude yest, about 6 feet fifty-eight inches, ebony-black. very pretty.
mircea_popescu tries to recall which west african country was a spanish dominion already.
punkman: Angola?
mircea_popescu: mmm
punkman: actually that's portuguese
punkman: seems the spanish didn't ever go further than the Sahara
shinohai: Casablanca and Morroco are straight - up Spanish tho
mircea_popescu: nono there was one
mircea_popescu: equatorial guinea! there.
mircea_popescu: exactly where these dudes be from.
mircea_popescu: between cameroon and gabon
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, guy complains about not getting my email, i tell him his shit's probably badly set up, he tells me my shit's prolly blacklisted, i go what the fuck. spend a time googling to see if this can be even tested, turns out it can, i end up on http://www.mail-tester.com/web-WeHDBS which says that i'm perfect except "listed in pyzor".
assbot: Spam Test Result by mail-tester.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPTkjX )
mircea_popescu: i do some digging around, it turns out that, get this : https://github.com/SpamExperts/pyzor/issues/39 they list THE FUCKING MESSAGE. so if you ever wondered why the string "123" can't be sent through email, take a motherfucking guess.
assbot: Listed on Pyzor · Issue #39 · SpamExperts/pyzor · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPTkAo )
mircea_popescu: who gave imbeciles computers! BE ASHAMED OF YOUR BAYESIAN SELF!
mircea_popescu: (hey, but 123 is a... symbol, right ? it MAKES SENSE to attach meaning to symbols, right ? buncha illiterate louts!)
mircea_popescu: and of course the "service" "has moved" to nowhere and is imported downstream without any sort of sanity checking by unwarrantedly-popular mass market services and on it fucking goes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00050007 = 11.3016 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up Atomicat
Atomicat: mircea_popescu: Hi and thanks
mircea_popescu: yw. who're you ?
Atomicat: Bitcointalk member
jurov: hahahaha
mircea_popescu: :))
Atomicat: mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=52741
assbot: View the profile of MPOE-PR ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPV0Kk )
Atomicat: Is this your profile on bitcointalk?
mircea_popescu: you're not THAT are you ?!
mircea_popescu: mno.
Atomicat: For a long time I though that's your profile.
mircea_popescu: no, that's hanbot
Atomicat: haha hanbot's idle time: 0d 6h 38m 51s
mircea_popescu: ;;seen hanbot
gribble: hanbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 17 hours, 58 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <hanbot> deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_122015.txt.asc
Atomicat: MPOE-PR Last Active: December 01, 2014, 11:41:22 PM
mircea_popescu: there is a log, it's searchable, have a ball.
Atomicat: BTW, What's your profile on bitcointalk?
mircea_popescu: i dun have one.
mircea_popescu: !s tardstalk
assbot: 105 results for 'tardstalk' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tardstalk
Atomicat: You own MPEX and don't have a profile on bitcointalk??
mircea_popescu: aha ?
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punkman: http://theweek.com/articles/598367/china-building-first-military-base-africa-america-should-nervous
assbot: China is building its first military base in Africa. America should be very nervous. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SPWmVB )
mircea_popescu: heh. usg can't afford to even consider this matter. it "never happened".
punkman: !up PeterL
PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2016#1367133 << we don't need any hash power to make TRB mining pool, miners bring the has power, we tell them what to mine ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 01:10:25; assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 00:59:53; mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all this "soft-fork" bullshit is really a good opportunity to start a #b-a mining pool.
mircea_popescu: PeterL im planning to offer a little bonus, but someone DOES have to run the actual pool.
PeterL: item for trilema jobs board?
mircea_popescu: not really. in my mind, trilema jobs board is a sort of "free for all" - items that anyone can pick up. this is only open to l2, really.
PeterL: Atomicat, I used to be active on bitcointalk, but then I found this place. Now I never go there anymore.
mircea_popescu: you don't advertise jobs requiring a clearance in the want ad section of teh newspaper either.
PeterL: good point
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26837 @ 0.00049932 = 13.4003 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: I only made an account a few days ago during the bitbet brouhaha
shinohai: Other than that every post seems to be whining about "being censored" and sych
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82550 @ 0.00049927 = 41.2147 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up Atomicat
Atomicat: PeterL: What is a TRB mining pool?
mircea_popescu: there's a PR-Bitcoin maintained by the power rangers. there's also the true bitcoin, maintained by the bitcoin foundation ( http://thebitcoin.foundation/ )
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X )
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of non-compliant or vaguely compliant mining pools out there.
mircea_popescu: the idea'd be to have an actually compliant pool, for once.
mircea_popescu: (not that pools are such a bright idea in the first place, but sadly this is a dropped ball we can't so far fix)
Atomicat: mircea_popescu: I have a good programming background and might be interested in running a pool if I can offer something other pools doesn't
mircea_popescu: !up PeterL
mircea_popescu: Atomicat the best avenue for you would be to register in the wot and spend half year or so reading hte logs to get up to speed.
PeterL: Atomicat, it would be a mining pool run using the same rule as TRB (the real bitcoin)
mircea_popescu: !up AndChat-63600
PeterL: iiuc, the current reference implementation of trb does not support pooled mining, so somebody would have to port the current trb ruleset into a mining pool program
Atomicat: mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all this "soft-fork" bullshit is really a good opportunity to start a #b-a mining pool.
Atomicat: Sorry for asking too many questions but what's a #b-a pool?
PeterL: same thing, different name
mircea_popescu: #b-a is short for #bitcoin-assets
Atomicat: ah
PeterL: #b-a is this group, which is where trb is developed
PeterL: although, somebody outside this group could pick up trb and start their own pool, so I guess it is not exactly the same thing
mircea_popescu: "the differences, while present, are not yet important"
PeterL: #b-a mining pool implies it is run by people within the #b-a WoT, trb pool implies it follows the rules set forth in trb
mircea_popescu: ha! quite.
PeterL: as far as we know, we are the only people using trb?
mircea_popescu: pretty much thinking like a scientist.
mircea_popescu: PeterL this is a public channel. for obvious security reasons trb is a superset thereof.
PeterL: <mircea_popescu> pretty much thinking like a scientist. << is there any other way to think?
Atomicat: I will look into this later today. What are the rules set forth in TRB?
mircea_popescu: Atomicat you wanna look into V and all that.
mircea_popescu: brace yourself, while derps derped on tardstalk etc, a LOT of work went on towards actual bitcoin, and so there's a lot of catch up to do.
PeterL: there is a mailing list, on the website mircea_popescu linked, and most of it is discussed in these logs
Atomicat: V? What's the difference between Bitcoin Core and TRB? Does it use the same blockchain?
thestringpuller: good morning #b-a
mircea_popescu: it does use the same blockchain.
mircea_popescu: v is a signature-based versioning system and other things.
PeterL: also read this: http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/25/an-historical-timeline-of-the-real-bitcoin-trb-development-part-i/
assbot: An historical timeline of The Real Bitcoin (TRB) development, part i. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok6H8T )
mircea_popescu: it allows you to build software on the basis of patches signed by people you specifically trust.
mircea_popescu: come to think about it... what would you say to "what is v ?" mod6 ? asciilifeform ? anyone else ?
mircea_popescu: twelve words or less.
Atomicat: How do I get a positive trust from someone on this list: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/? I would really love to !up myself. ;p
assbot: A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYer1O )
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you have contacts for the mining world? last time I checked everyone in that world was some level of scammer.
mircea_popescu: !rate Atomicat 1 New blood
assbot: Atomicat is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: Atomicat register, basically.
thestringpuller: Atomicat: start with
thestringpuller: !help
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's complicated.
thestringpuller: seems complicated in the sense the trustworthy miners don't advertise themselves but hide in the darkness.
mircea_popescu: but i'll quote this much to you : 你这么牛掰,你怎么不会汉语啊。😁哈哈哈,反正你也不懂,我觉得很有意思!祝你好运哈!
thestringpuller: and whereas still to date no mining hardware company has ever delivered equipment on time
Atomicat: mircea_popescu: I have registered with gribble.
Atomicat: Isn't that the WOT?
PeterL: <thestringpuller> mircea_popescu: do you have contacts for the mining world? last time I checked everyone in that world was some level of scammer. << people offering "mining services" might all be scammers, but there might be people mining for themselves who are not scamming
mircea_popescu: Atomicat nah, it forked a year ago over a misunderstanding.
PeterL: but I might be wrong
thestringpuller: PeterL: this people do not advertise. probably have to go to the deserts of china to find them.
mircea_popescu: china is actually not in a desert. mongolia sort-of is.
Atomicat: I following this guide: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
assbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh )
Atomicat: I think it needs to be updated.
mircea_popescu: specifically ?
Atomicat: followed*
mircea_popescu: yes but what's wrong with it
PeterL: aha, it still references gibble WoT
mircea_popescu: oh
PeterL: needs update to AssWoT
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell hey ben_vulpes you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
assbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: uh.
Atomicat: Yep, that's what I meant
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ben_vulpes hey you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
assbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ok73wh )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;msg
gribble: Error: "msg" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;list
gribble: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, AutoMode, BadWords, BitcoinData, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Debug, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, GPG, Games, Gatekeeper, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Market, Math, MessageParser, Misc, Network, OTCOrderBook, Owner, Plugin, RSS, RatingSystem, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, (1 more message)
Atomicat: Can I register with assbot using a bitcoin address?
shinohai: !s http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o )
assbot: 60 results for 'http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.bitcoin-assets.com%2Ffirst_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
PeterL: lol, poor hey getting your message
mircea_popescu: Atomicat no, you need a pgp signature.
thestringpuller: G.R.E.A.M - GPG rules everything around me.
PeterL: ;;seen dub
gribble: dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 57 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <dub> hallo
mircea_popescu: ;;later
gribble: Error: "later" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck was it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00050398 = 14.0862 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;last
gribble: [09:09:12] <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00050398 = 14.0862 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel
mircea_popescu: ;;notes
gribble: I currently have notes waiting for ben_vulpes, cazalla, crypt0queen, hey, joseph_young, kako, M-John, mike_c, nubbins`, pierre_rochard, psztorc, saifedean, TheNewDeal, therealascii, Ukto, Ukyo, whaack, and Wolf`.
mircea_popescu: there we go.
gabriel_laddel: ;; later tell adlai I was referring to the dataflow paradigm.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;notes hey
gribble: Sent 7 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes you gotta fix http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
mircea_popescu: ;;notes therealascii
gribble: Sent 2 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, and 35 minutes ago: <adlai> fix dat key thing! or is it kako's fault
PeterL: ;;seen Ukyo
gribble: Ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 40 weeks, 5 days, 13 hours, 18 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio_: ping
mircea_popescu: heh. so basically most gribble traffic is from b-a huh,
mircea_popescu: ;;notes crypt0queen
gribble: Sent 2 weeks, 4 days, 12 hours, and 34 minutes ago: <Michail1> Need ya to contact me. House fire, and the cleanup crew broke my sign. Snapped off the A. Do you have another for sale or the 'ACCEPTED' part?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell michail1 you know the later tell thing is public right ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !up xiaomorph
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00050901 = 15.2703 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up DerpUnion
DerpUnion: so whats the deal with Classic, gavin is starting to look desperate
mircea_popescu: "starting" eh.
DerpUnion: first it was 20MB, then 8MB-8GB, now its down to 2MB, that is like atleast a 10x change in his "technical position"
mircea_popescu: gavin looks more or less like http://40.media.tumblr.com/8897aa45b63e00398849f8d57ecd11f0/tumblr_mevisnYxfK1ruyqizo1_1280.jpg , which is fitting.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/231vIgK )
DerpUnion: mircea_popescu: Whats the deal with Erik Voorhees supporting larger blocks, u still in touch with him?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen evoorhees
gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 25 weeks, 5 days, 15 hours, 6 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later
mircea_popescu: not in a coupla years.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - DOW low under 16000 before April 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1225/dow-low-under-16000-before-april-2016/#b25
thestringpuller: !gettrust assbot evoorhees
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user evoorhees: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=evoorhees | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/evoorhees/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00051183 = 16.6857 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c here's a thought, in http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/ might be a good idea to hide users not seen in i dunno, a quarter ? a year ? something ? explained, and with link for "full list".
assbot: WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/231wU3S )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !seen gribble
mircea_popescu: and kakobrekla - how about assbot getting a !seen which returns "timestamp of last successful !v response" ? so as not to have to use gribble's.
mircea_popescu: cut right down on the name squatting business.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25599 @ 0.00051328 = 13.1395 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: I can't get the numbers to work to make mining profitable. I don't see how it would be possible. It's like flushing BTC down a toilet.
DerpUnion: id reckon its only possible with subsidised or free electricity
thestringpuller: that's not the problem. it's the escalating difficulty.
mircea_popescu: you recall the mpoe-pr's buffett quote ?
thestringpuller: any miner going online today will never break even at the retail price point
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: oh yea. it's zero sum. I have that saved somewhere around here.
mircea_popescu: so... yeah. it isn't nor could it be.
DerpUnion: how cld that be? if your running cost is 0 and your income non-zero, u will eventually recoup
DerpUnion: though that cld be a long eventually
mircea_popescu: link him then thestringpuller ?
thestringpuller: From the horse's mouth: http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1985.html
mircea_popescu: !rate atomicat 1 New blood
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/58dc0bb375decb96
DerpUnion: thestringpuller: think i might have read this b4, but will go thru it again, thx
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.atomicat.1:5483b037c87df6ab61aeef4e9e34a256445265b6491b4cefe4b0540842b5edbe
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for atomicat with note: New blood
mircea_popescu: " The domestic textile industry operates in a commodity business, competing in a world market in which substantial excess capacity exists." and subsq.
thestringpuller: Relevant part hanbot had posted >> "Over the years, we had the option of making large capital expenditures in the textile operation that would have allowed us to somewhat reduce variable costs. Each proposal to do so looked like an immediate winner. Measured by standard return-on- investment tests, in fact, these proposals usually promised greater economic benefits than would have resulted from comparable expenditures in our
mircea_popescu: actually check out this wonder : https://archive.is/9Ao8F#selection-37.331-37.5373
assbot: Chairman's Letter - 1985 ... ( http://bit.ly/231zarE )
thestringpuller: and then "But the promised benefits from these textile investments were illusory. Many of our competitors, both domestic and foreign, were stepping up to the same kind of expenditures and, once enough companies did so, their reduced costs became the baseline for reduced prices industrywide. Viewed individually, each company’s capital investment decision appeared cost- effective and rational; viewed collectively, the decisio
Atomicat: mircea_popescu: I really appriciate it.
mircea_popescu: cheers.
thestringpuller: DerpUnion: bitcoin mining is a black hole, as in you'll never get the BTC out you put into miners unless you can do some voodoo. Even if electricity cost was 0, you'd still have trouble paying off the miners themselves unless you have direct access to $foundry
mircea_popescu: the strange with bitcoin is that mining is ALWAYS a market in which supracapacity exists, for the odd reason that mining is a ~0 demand activity, which is altogether a concept unknown in economy so far.
mircea_popescu: what happens is that the same nominal amount will be distributed to all producers uniformly by lottery, no matter the volume of production.
mircea_popescu: that there exists no marginal demand created by production increase nor any demand destroyed by production shortages makes the situation quite peculiar.
thestringpuller: This is why you get stories of people investing in mining and holding BTC until price escalates then sell portion to get net profit. But bear market has prevented that for the past 1.5-2 years
mircea_popescu: there IS the implicit fiat short where you finance your mining with [tax deductible] fiat losses, and maintain your profits in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: which is the primary driver for the extreme run-up in hashing we've been experiencing the past coupla years.
mircea_popescu: but this behaviour is very difficult to model.
thestringpuller: aha! the plot thickens.
thestringpuller: !up DerpUnion
thestringpuller: i had a theory the "profitable" miners (ones that got in early before major difficulty increase vis-a-vis jgarzik getting first avalon miner and paying it off in 1 month), will drop the price to push other miners offline.
mircea_popescu: i don't trust jgarzik's ability to correctly account for a business venture, for one thing.
mircea_popescu: "old miners" do what you say in cases such as saudi arabia cutting prices to sink obama's hopes of reindustrializing the us, sure. but note that there's a strong "god-given" element to this : the saudis didn't BUILD those oil deposits.
mircea_popescu: in a sense they're stuck with them. much like a preppy kid that's stuck with his parents house.
mircea_popescu: the other kids in school'd BETTER think his dad's house is cool, or else he stands to lose a lot. so he has a vested interest in having the sluttier chicks in class over by his pool each weekend, that other kids in better situations don't.
thestringpuller: this is how gatsby tried to rise to power, but was struck down by "old money". it would seem miners would operate under the same mentality.
mircea_popescu: you are aware that's a book, written about "how it is to be rich" by someone who was himself poor ?
mircea_popescu: something like https://archive.org/details/memoirsoftalleyr02talliala would make a better sample of "what it's like", that dude was loaded.
assbot: Memoirs of Talleyrand : Talleyrand-Périgord, Charles Maurice de, prince de Bénévent, 1754-1838 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1mYilNs )
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370176 I suspect bitfury is a wholly-owned subsidiary of TMSC ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 15:24:47; thestringpuller: DerpUnion: bitcoin mining is a black hole, as in you'll never get the BTC out you put into miners unless you can do some voodoo. Even if electricity cost was 0, you'd still have trouble paying off the miners themselves unless you have direct access to $foundry
thestringpuller: f. scott fitzgerald really didn't get experience "the rich life", it's just interesting to me that "old miners" operate similar to "old money". i do find it intriguing the proletariat of America found that book so fascinating in declaring "the american dream" dead.
Atomicat: How can I register on MPEX and is there any profittable assets to invest in currently?
thestringpuller: Atomicat: http://mpex.co/faq.html#3
mircea_popescu: iirc mpex assets have been the only profitable sort of bitcoin assets throughout bitcoin's history.
mircea_popescu: now, just how profitable and which... that's an open question.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31128 @ 0.0005077 = 15.8037 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: but, illo tempore, http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/
assbot: The best investments in the history of Bitcoin on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/231DBmu )
mircea_popescu: as well as, for completness, http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/
assbot: The list of discontinued assets on MPEx on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/231DI1j )
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: thanks for the link. french bourgeois life during that time. my what a time.
mircea_popescu: you know who the guy was right ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7586 @ 0.00050752 = 3.85 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: I'm reading about him right now and his diplomacy in france.
thestringpuller: seems dope as hell: "His career spanned the regimes of Louis XVI, the years of the French Revolution, Napoleon, Louis XVIII, and Louis-Philippe."
mircea_popescu: right. napoleon got to be napoleon for two reasons and a spot of luck. the ancient nobility prince here named is one reason, count bernadotte, later king, is the other.
thestringpuller: Yea he was the kissinger of napoleon from what I'm reading.
thestringpuller: srsly. why go to college when you have #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: and of everyone else.
mircea_popescu: and ugly as fuck, but the hottest fuck in paris. at least if you ask the sluts.
thestringpuller: punkman: are you talking about that tawainese semiconductor company?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00050027 = 17.0592 BTC [-] {3}
Atomicat: mircea_popescu: "Make sure you include verbiage to reflect that you are aware you will be required to pay 50 BTC as fees for registering the account, and are prepared to do so. "
Atomicat: Is this still valid?
mircea_popescu: Atomicat yeah. but there are brokers, such as for instance jurov's coinbr.com that are less onerous.
thestringpuller: coinbr is a good deal. 0.019 btc a month
thestringpuller: ;;calc 50 / 0.019
gribble: 2631.57894737
thestringpuller: ^- months to pay off mpex fee at coinbr rates. << so you can't beat that
Atomicat: thestringpuller: I think mircea_popescu should lower the price bacuase the bitcoin was not this high at that time.
mircea_popescu: the price was actually lower historically.
thestringpuller: Atomicat: he value of a seat on the New York Stock Exchange has been falling after reaching a high nearly $4 million in 2005 to a value arounf $2.5 million today. << Significantly cheaper than a seat at the NYSE
Atomicat: lol yeah but MPEX is not as big as NYSE.;p
Atomicat: How many assets are listed on MPEX? Is there a list?
mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KfC2pe )
Atomicat: IMO, There isn't much listed there.
thestringpuller: I blame the VC-fueled derps. Others blame the school systems.
Atomicat: lol
thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag
mircea_popescu: eh what's the rush anyway.
mircea_popescu: as bitcoin grows there'll be more stuff to list.
ascii_butugychag: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20160114142733
assbot: OpenSSH: client bug CVE-2016-0777 ... ( http://bit.ly/231KrIz )
thestringpuller: srsly?!?
ascii_butugychag: 'The matching server code has never been shipped, but the client code was enabled by default and could be tricked by a malicious server into leaking client memory to the server, including private client user keys.
ascii_butugychag: '
mircea_popescu: SECURITY: ssh(1): The OpenSSH client code between 5.4 and 7.1
mircea_popescu: contains experimential support for resuming SSH-connections (roaming).
mircea_popescu: The matching server code has never been shipped, but the client
mircea_popescu: code was enabled by default and could be tricked by a malicious
mircea_popescu: server into leaking client memory to the server, including private
mircea_popescu: client user keys.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
ascii_butugychag: still waiting for anybody to suggest removing ALL the 'mebbe for later' crapolade
ascii_butugychag: or would that be t3rr0r1zm!1111
mircea_popescu: how would progress progress!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115816 @ 0.00049927 = 57.8235 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <fluffypony> to a South African most "African Americans" look mixed-race << What abot DOn Cheadle?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: he's the exception to the rule, you also get the occasional light-skinned Nigerian :)
mircea_popescu: apparently you can also get blue eyed black people, 1 in 5mn or somesuch
thestringpuller: I'm green eyed black person, but that doesn't count.
mircea_popescu: that's somewhat more common.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i dun have one. << I swore you had one with mebbe 5 posts or something
thestringpuller: he does
mircea_popescu: i do ?
thestringpuller: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37923
thestringpuller: unless someone squatted you
mircea_popescu: i dunno what that is.
BingoBoingo: Sounds kinda like MP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35900.msg444504#msg444504
assbot: Bounty 1 BTC for a new Friend - All my friends are ReTards ... ( http://bit.ly/1n2t75P )
BingoBoingo: Then again who can remember all they things wine talked them into
shinohai: I'm shocked not a single person has left feedback on that MP account lol
BingoBoingo: Didn't exist yet
BingoBoingo: Thermos introduced the rating system sometime in 2013
BingoBoingo: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20160114142733
assbot: OpenSSH: client bug CVE-2016-0777 and CVE-2016-0778 ... ( http://bit.ly/231KrIz )
BingoBoingo: UPDATE: Affects all OpenSSH 5.4 - 7.1: Apply the workaround and wait for an upcoming release.
BingoBoingo: http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/5.7/common/022_ssh.patch.sig
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9HPwL )
BingoBoingo: Sounds a lot like ascii_butugychag was always right "SSH roaming enables a client, in case an SSH connection breaks
BingoBoingo: unexpectedly, to resume it at a later time, provided the server also
BingoBoingo: supports it. The OpenSSH server doesn't support roaming, but the OpenSSH client
BingoBoingo: supports it (even though it's not documented) and it's enabled by
BingoBoingo: default."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8607 @ 0.00049802 = 4.2865 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/b17b3f105a3bfbf838443492b1974592/tumblr_n34z2zgTth1trf4yko1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9KvKJ )
BingoBoingo: In still other news http://qntra.net/2016/01/coindesk-acquired-by-silbert-group/#comment-39755
assbot: Coindesk Acquired By Silbert Group | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQ7a5c )
thestringpuller: so gavin conceded >> http://gavinandresen.ninja/classic-unlimited-xt-core << "In the long run I think everything will work out fine, no matter what happens with the block limit."
trinque squints at .ninja, refuses to read
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8864 @ 0.00050498 = 4.4761 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [Qntra] OpenSSH Client Bug Leaks Memory Contents - http://qntra.net/2016/01/openssh-client-bug-leaks-memory-contents/
BingoBoingo: !up idkwhat2dowithmy
idkwhat2dowithmy: BingoBoingo I've been reading your stuff on qntra
idkwhat2dowithmy: Good stuff
BingoBoingo: thank you
jurov: !up ascii_butugychag
jurov: !up AndChat|63600
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24536 @ 0.00051246 = 12.5737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14049 @ 0.00050816 = 7.1391 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: !s http://gk2.sk/lets-build-a-freedom-node/
assbot: Let's build a Freedom Node · Pavol Rusnak ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMYVFO )
assbot: 0 results for 'http://gk2.sk/lets-build-a-freedom-node/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fgk2.sk%2Flets-build-a-freedom-node%2F
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00050539 = 5.6098 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: maybe link him to the whole pogo thing ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps the biggest matzah ball hanging over the heads of all this well meaning & naive "foss" thing is the sheer disinclination of the kids to do research.
mircea_popescu: ;;google Varg Quisling Larssøn Vikernes
gribble: Varg Vikernes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varg_Vikernes>; Varg Vikernes | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers: <http://murderpedia.org/male.V/v/vikernes-varg.htm>; Some Facts about Varg Vikernes & his Case | Thulean Perspective: <http://thuleanperspective.com/2014/06/02/some-facts-about-varg-vikernes-his-case/>
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: da nordic model is not without its quislings
BingoBoingo: !up idkwhat2dowithmy Mebbe fix your connection
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 431.47, vol: 4485.50246632 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 432.05, vol: 4968.71595 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 432.01, vol: 14521.98254248 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 429.615917, vol: 31225.21250000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 433.16367, vol: 49.14092684 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 435.3657, vol: 59.86576517 | Volume-weighted last average: 430.622890863
BingoBoingo: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/14/server_retired_after_18_years_and_ten_months_beat_that_readers/
assbot: Server retired after 18 years and ten months – beat that, readers! • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ORItnW )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24751 @ 0.0005035 = 12.4621 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3599 @ 0.00050146 = 1.8048 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/037d6253192bbb88959455bc7684cccc/tumblr_mzp1mac2cP1rwmba9o1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ORJJHG )
mircea_popescu: !up stoon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9038 @ 0.00050146 = 4.5322 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.0005028 = 1.5587 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [Qntra] Water Quality Crisis In United States Lake Region - http://qntra.net/2016/01/water-quality-crisis-in-united-states-lake-region/
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: so i looked into what folks did in the dark ages prior to 'v'
ascii_butugychag: and behold,
ascii_butugychag: https://mikegerwitz.com/papers/git-horror-story
mircea_popescu: heh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33863 @ 0.00050066 = 16.9538 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_butugychag: mega-l0l, worth a read
ascii_butugychag: esp. to all the folks who want to 'automate' crypto
ascii_butugychag: i think in the time it takes to even read that page, you could write a quite respectable v-tron...
mircea_popescu: i... shot him an email.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag you have to know tho. in the time it takes most women to suck at their amorous life, they could make themselves into quite respectable slavegirls. so what of it ?
ascii_butugychag: l0l
ascii_butugychag: could they, now.
ascii_butugychag: could i become a respectable sumo wrestler in the time i take on the train, aha.
mircea_popescu: there's a major difference between disciplines of the mind, such as NOT BEING STUPID
mircea_popescu: and disciplines of the ass, such as being a sumo wrestler.
mircea_popescu: the former's all removal. much like our work on bitcoin pore.
mircea_popescu: for it's not really any sort of core. tis a pore.
ascii_butugychag: my mind is still boggling at the sheer monumental complexity of the signed-git crud
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18798 @ 0.0005028 = 9.4516 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: complexity is improvement ; war is peace.
mircea_popescu: i suspect that at the root of the complexity-seeking behaviours is the deeply internalized if very infantile fear that if others understand what you did they won't respect you for doing it. because hey, 5yo doesn't understand what parents do.
thestringpuller: the funny thing is the core devs proclaim "No need to use V or TRB method. We sign our git patches!!!!111"
mircea_popescu: herp.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: this is intensely selected for in the 'job market'
ascii_butugychag: (if your system makes sense to others, you might get sacked, etc)
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag it is, but not just. the nonsense is in fact so pervasive that when someone does something horrible ~and it matters not at all what it is ~ the first, the automatic, the one true psychological defense is... "you don't understand"
mircea_popescu: as if your don't undertstanding is an extenuating circumstance, that somehow makes anything better, like salt and blowing up the whites.
thestringpuller: pretty sure security through obfuscation has been disproven.
thestringpuller: should aim for _actual_ security not pseudo security
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: the observation was about 'job security'
thestringpuller: there was once a Ph.D ex-NASA worker employed by my buddy at McAffee back in the day. He built job security around "filtering mail". When my buddy became a manager, he asked the d00d "What do you actually do?" The guy gave this long obfuscated explanation, and my buddy said, "So we can replace you with a mail proc script?"
thestringpuller: The d00d kept trying to say how his job was meaningful and useful, etc.
thestringpuller: So one day, buddy gives this d00d a pink slip, and replaces him with a mail proc script.
ascii_butugychag: if he had to explain at all, he clearly failed to 'securitify' his job
thestringpuller: for the old management he did, but he couldn't bullshit my buddy.
BingoBoingo: !up brg444
brg444: new rules?
BingoBoingo: ?
mircea_popescu: ?
brg444: couldn't seem to manage to !up?
mircea_popescu: no changes afaik.
BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot brg444
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user brg444: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=brg444 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/brg444/
brg444: [16:45] <assbot> You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0)
brg444: ah!
thestringpuller: https://archive.is/9ZfPP << apparently the culprit (via pete_dushenski)
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.brg444.1:9851d7a0361f264dc91cb22826ff9694902bee07b46676ec73d9c945b4c5894b
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for brg444 from 1 to 1 with note: loan of voice
brg444: so mircea_popescu mike head already hanging in your living room?
brg444: if not safe to say you can now claim the body http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/business/dealbook/the-bitcoin-believer-who-gave-up.html
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Peg5s1 )
mircea_popescu: that's ok, the usg can keep it.
BingoBoingo: brg444: Ah pete gave you a egrate
BingoBoingo: negrate
BingoBoingo: brg444: I'm working on the Qntra piece on the NYTimes piece
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot brg444
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user brg444: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=brg444 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/brg444/
mircea_popescu: ah you got nulled.
brg444: I'm seeing that now :/
mircea_popescu: what exactly is the contention there ?
brg444: I've no idea
thestringpuller: pete didn't like what he said on reddit?
mircea_popescu: "Two years ago, Mr. Hearn quit a cushy programming job at Google’s Swiss headquarters" << dude gtfo, cushy gofer job.
mircea_popescu: idiots.
brg444: likely
mircea_popescu: !rate brg444 1 whatevs
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/022dafc3c5d7eabb
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.brg444.1:e5228957700a2b4a678420cfa4c0c73e7da1d5781f10ae355c84bc5871eb6b1b
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for brg444 with note: whatevs
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: where are you reading that?
mircea_popescu: " Mr. Hearn, until recently one of the most prominent leaders of the Bitcoin project, became so disillusioned that in December he sold the few hundred Bitcoins he had left and quietly took a job at a new start-up."
mircea_popescu: o REALLY.
mircea_popescu: fucking nyt ffs. no research right ?
mircea_popescu: asshat didn't "become disillusioned", and he was never a prominent "leader".
mircea_popescu: he was a prominent mole, ever since the original forkattack.
brg444: more importantly do we know if he really had bitcoins ?
thestringpuller: that picture is priceless. he could at least have a few sluts to pose with.
mircea_popescu: yeah BingoBoingo qntra gotta run a piece setting "nathaniel popper" straight.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is that asspirate anyway.
ascii_butugychag: afaik hearn was a loud, unrepentant 'garnish' from day 1 on stage ...?
BingoBoingo: Yes
mircea_popescu: yes.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thing hit my radar just after the Post industrial shithole piece.
mircea_popescu: but the fact that they can't keep their oh-so-precious "state secrets" from the republic bothers them immensely.
ascii_butugychag: l0l i'm still waiting for an ~actual~ seeeekrit
shinohai: !gettrust asciilifeform
assbot: Trust relationship from user shinohai to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 10 via 10 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=shinohai&to=asciilifeform | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/asciilifeform/
thestringpuller: "He believes that the dangers of the current impasse have not been reflected in the price of Bitcoin because the full debate has been censored in many of the online forums where Bitcoin is discussed." << When did reddit become "the forum"?
thestringpuller: oh this takes the cake >> “I want to be in a professional environment again where people are grounded in some sort of business reality.”
brg444: ^ meh. Price did react and tanked when he released the XTurd
mircea_popescu: briefly.
brg444: sure
thestringpuller: What is this nonsense? Mike Hearn gets exiled from Bitcoin and decides to keep complaining?
ascii_butugychag: he is being placed in storage
mircea_popescu: what did you expect him to do, "i am an abject failure that decided to go up against better men, who first warned me and then turned me inside out like a glove" ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag pretty much.
ascii_butugychag: on account of the faux-trb 'bitcoin classic' crapolade
ascii_butugychag: which is usg's new tack
mircea_popescu: nono, they were gonna matter!
thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i don't recall any other scammer being as vocal after they failed.
mircea_popescu: hahaha wut ?
mircea_popescu: pirate was like "o bitcoin will now fail". that garza idiot ?
mircea_popescu: how about every single idiot to date!
thestringpuller: but not _this_ vocal
brg444: thestringpuller there's not quite an attention whore like mike
mircea_popescu: in the sense that nytimes only publishes the faux accounts of SOME scammers, rather than all scammers.
thestringpuller: i guess how cops only catch some of the criminals not all of them.
mircea_popescu: yeah. "some".
ascii_butugychag: thing is, muppets are cheap
thestringpuller: i forgot. sometimes they just sprinkle crack on nigger homeowners and call it a day.
mircea_popescu: anyway, expect him to show up in system-d or whatever. "grounded in business reality"
ascii_butugychag: yesterday - hearn, tomorrow - some other
mircea_popescu: quite. they spawn like cockroaches.
thestringpuller: the pointless and the witless in full effect.
mircea_popescu: anyone remember "twobitidiot" ? no, because today it's "toomim brothers". bla bla, whatevs.
ascii_butugychag: so i'm not seeing any actual defeat here
brg444: they're already breeding the new generation "toomim"
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag you won't see any actual defeat no matter what happened.
thestringpuller: "Pointless : I guess sooner or later I'll lose, because idiocy has infinite hitpoints."
ascii_butugychag: why not ?
mircea_popescu: you'll sit there on a mass grave with a million corpses in it, and alternatively piss inside and go "no defeat here"
ascii_butugychag: l0lz
thestringpuller: while at the same time woodchipper continues to spew moar corpses into grave while idiots tell you "they know better"
mircea_popescu: anyway. i'm short a woman currently, so how about you lot get busy making some replacements.
mircea_popescu: date moar!
mircea_popescu: for there is no such thing as defeat, as alf correctly observes. but there is such thing as victory.
ascii_butugychag: sure is.
ascii_butugychag: i'd like to live to see it, even.
mircea_popescu: !up PeterL
PeterL: ty
PeterL: so I was trying out v, version 99997, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/14a90ef2-4619-4c89-b976-dede86778384/?raw=true I think something is wrong?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SQNejk )
mircea_popescu: o.O da fuck is that
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370425 << This is going in the first paragraph ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 21:54:03; mircea_popescu: pirate was like "o bitcoin will now fail". that garza idiot ?
mircea_popescu: !help
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
PeterL: I think it should have a different fingerprint for each person, but it is showing the same for everybody
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: did you somehow copy my key over every other ?
BingoBoingo did not get that problem
PeterL: no, I looked at the files, they are each different
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: can you paste the script that output that ?
PeterL: just a sec
PeterL: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/50aad8c0-d795-4237-b435-c3b4097e1ab5/?raw=true
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pejk2B )
mircea_popescu: i meant the script. v.pl
PeterL: oh, sure
trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d8baa878-8c30-47bb-ba86-f1a9d7c45877/?raw=true << I get normal output.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PejK99 )
PeterL: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/38578613-73c4-49f2-9610-0b5ce976cb00/?raw=true
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PejOG9 )
adlai wonders how serene a republic must get for the first n00b to volunteer log summary deeds... not like anybody able to pay for this would either do so or volunteer himself
mircea_popescu: why deed the logs ?
BingoBoingo: Why summarize logs?
adlai: well the logs themselves are deeded (or at least the past year(s)? didn't verify it all myself)
mircea_popescu: the latter's actuyally useful.
adlai agrees with mircea_popescu here!
mircea_popescu: PeterL the script looks ok i have nfi how it could put out the output you show.
PeterL: this is with Perl v5.18.2, on Xubuntu
PeterL: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/e0a0f007-3a1e-4ef8-aaae-fa44eed9a031/?raw=true
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PekDP4 )
PeterL: maybe? alf and mircea I copied key off net and into file, they show up fine in v list, the other two I imported into gpg key and then exported to a file
PeterL: did gpg --export mess something up?
mircea_popescu: not in this manner at any rate.
PeterL: anyway, I am off to get dinner, will check back in later sometime
adlai wonders whether qntra would be a better venue than deeds for summaries; it has the advantage of requiring review and implying approval, rather than merely inviting sha256 and best-effort backup
trinque: it's certainly more an editorial/publishing concern than mere archival
BingoBoingo: Qntra is the wrong place for log "summaries," News that happens in the logs yes. General summmaries of X period in the logs no. The complete logs are their own canon.
adlai: quidquid editore dictum est, sic fiat
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/the-amateur-whore.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5ODjY )
BingoBoingo: Is that getting wrapped into a trilema post?
mircea_popescu: nah
BingoBoingo: You say that now, but tomorrow circumstances will demand it or something.
BingoBoingo: adlai: Cliff notes are not reading shakespeare, even if the kid passes the classroom test. Even a quality summary is at best merely an aid useful for assisting a thrid or fourth rereading of the actual canon material.
mircea_popescu: in my mind at least, "summary" has merged much closer to re-threadify.
mircea_popescu: sort-of how philosophy is studied both historically and thematically. the log is historical, but there should prolly be a thematic repository
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> You say that now, but tomorrow circumstances will demand it or something. << wait, wut ?!
BingoBoingo: That's not summary, that's commentary.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: At some point you are surely going to find occasion to include that amateur whore in a Trilema. It will be the exact derp to properly explain some other derp who needs a good shiting on.
mircea_popescu: should that happen, which seems improbable, i'll just... fish another one ?
mircea_popescu: but i guess who knows teh future huh.
BingoBoingo: That's how USG works, just fishing new Hearnias everytime the dumber power rangers rig up a fresh truss to pretend the last one wasn't a problem.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i thought you meant you wanted to use it or something.
mircea_popescu: which, if that's what you meant, go ahead.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4283 @ 0.00050082 = 2.145 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Ah no. I jsut suspected you might be writing a post. Then when you said it wasn't going into a post decided to jinx it.
mircea_popescu: haven't i derped enough about okcupid on trilema ?!
BingoBoingo: You've never covered anything enough on Trilema. This is a serious optimization problem.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13209 @ 0.00049925 = 6.5946 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 V pressed out correctly this time, is building.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369798 << for starters, because Bitcoin differentiates between them, modulo s/were/are/ ; and because fixing this requires admitting that separating the merkle roots covering inputs and outputs might actually be onto something ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 03:31:31; ben_vulpes: i do not see the point at all in differentiating between txnen-which-are-relayed and txn-which-are-mined
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369694 << I hope you don't mean anything that makes it ~easier~ to use (treatises in latin are not included, but a bitch to write) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 02:55:26; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369573 << is somebody gonna write a full 'v' treatise ?
adlai: cf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1369512] ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-01-2016 00:10:03; mircea_popescu: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/photons.htm << this thing's a fucking riot. "photon of color" totally makes the whole piece.
adlai: "can read source and figure out wtf it does and why" is almost as sybil-resistent as PoW
adlai would guess that it's a little early for an RFC, but has no readily available data about the time-in-market for RFCed technology
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9402 @ 0.0005028 = 4.7273 BTC [+]
adlai still things that !s S.MPOE would be more useful in deedbot than log.b-a
adlai: assbot isn't 100% correct, but this is fixable
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00051 = 17.1615 BTC [+]
adlai: not in the "produce non-cuantic trading engine" sense, but in the "RFC if your trade didn't appear properly" sense
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00050188 = 9.8368 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00050133 = 10.0767 BTC [-]
adlai wonders whether a sign of 'Bitcoin Mecca' will be legislating that taxable income must be delivered in local fiat, without actually making non-fiat payment illegal as incentive, enticement, teasing, etc
adlai: the fiat gov signing such a law signs its own expiration warrant, but the average legislator probably isn't smart enough to be reading the logs