mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes fine example of how schelling points actually work, btw.
ben_vulpes: agustin: well now you'll *need* to !!up yourself
ben_vulpes: open project for #tmsr acolytes: scrape chainstate for time delta between blocks for the past few days, calculate average and first std dev.
☟︎ ben_vulpes is rewriting logger, would do it otherwise.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes your notion of making channel log one single line is hindering bashing pointlessly.
mircea_popescu: iirc those can be directly imported into statistix package of one's choice.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-18 00:02 ben_vulpes: open project for #tmsr acolytes: scrape chainstate for time delta between blocks for the past few days, calculate average and first std dev.
deedbot: Ingolfr_Arnarson voiced for 30 minutes.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: agustin againhere, messed up not remembering the gpg passphrase just created. And changed my nickname for the name I go around usually.
deedbot: 8EC5D12F9914F85DAF2304356A533C6C941BB0D9 registered as Ingolfr_Arnarson.
deedbot: You may not !!up yourself.
ben_vulpes: !!v 61A580475F8BE8AEDD7DE7295076F5BCF077307B8CEBD36432DF8B34F48A7AD7
deedbot: ben_vulpes rated Ingolfr_Arnarson 1 << new blood
deedbot: Ingolfr_Arnarson voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: Ingolfr_Arnarson: indulge me for a second, i'm going to down you and then would you up yourself?
deedbot: phf voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: mircea_popescu may not !!down phf.
ben_vulpes: Ingolfr_Arnarson: you'll hafta pm deedbot if you haven't figured that out yet
Ingolfr_Arnarson: Mircea asked me to introduce myself before, I'll type about myself a bit now and then press enter.
trinque: ben_vulpes: well he specified his own name
trinque: I could go all UX designer over here but seems the opposite of urgent.
mircea_popescu: i was thinking "hey, this is a recurring vulpes thing"
ben_vulpes: Ingolfr_Arnarson: you writing a novel?
Ingolfr_Arnarson: I am a normal guy with a normal work, who for some strange life chances ended up into libertarianism (politics until turning full ancap) and around the bitcoin community here. There is where I knew someone who let me know about Mircea's posts and about this channel. I am into coding, into maths, physics and of course crypto. And trying to organize a better society without state. I think that's all that may be relevant to say now. Any questions?
mircea_popescu: watch that the dude turns out to be perfectly sane AND from argentina, ruining my whole stereotype.
phf: Framedragger: that movie about whores is nice. it's only spoiled by an occasional "poignant" bjork style soundtrack. i couldn't figure out if it's trying to cue you when you're supposed to feel sad, or if the director just likes that kind of music..
a111: Logged on 2017-01-15 19:10 Framedragger: another film recommendation by association - documentary: "whore's glory" - by one glawogger (who died from malaria or somesuch while filming in liberia or somewheresuch), a bunch of interviews with whores in bangladesh, thailand etc
trinque: actually I'll probably go ahead and sand off that rough edge; it's confusing.
mircea_popescu: trinque there's really nothing wrong with people being able to noob-up themselves.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: asciilifeform: I do not have a www created. Just owning www.ancapia.com, trying to design the best plan to make it a guide for people into voluntaryism or to turn it into an actual virtual nation conforming instructions. If possible. If I decide it is not, then I'll drop it and dedicate onto other projects I have.
phf: "plan a: create nation state. plan b: hack on some python code"
danielpbarron: you have a blog already? then no, a second blog is not needed
Ingolfr_Arnarson: No but a lot of people have and are saying things better than I could.
trinque: Ingolfr_Arnarson: where would I find another actual virtual nation?
trinque tends to think the ancap thing is a developmental stage.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: I heard there is a republic running in here. Also bitcoin could work as one if it doesn't fail in an unexpected way.
trinque: first comes the "fuck you I won't do whatcha tell me," then later one considers that in a competitive arena, things tend to sort.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: And don't forget realizing one can try to sort out things without *having* to kill each other.
trinque: surely killing a person might be a waste, but one would have to bother to define person before using the term
trinque: if non-personhood drowns out personhood, then what?
danielpbarron: Ingolfr_Arnarson, a blog is not only for you to judge the world, but for the world to judge you
Ingolfr_Arnarson: danielpbarron: I could answer to that saying that I only need judgment from people I interact directly , BUT maybe I am wrong so I will ponder about that statement.
☟︎ phf: Когда у меня один грамм кц есть, тогда желтые штаны носить мочь. И передо мной пацак не один, а два раза должен приседать и “ку” говорить. Ясно? А если у меня два грамма кц есть, я малиновые штаны носить мочь, и меня энцилопп ночью не имеет права бить.
phf: А если я больше трех грамм кц спрятал, то передо мной и чатланин на чатланской планете должен приседать и “ку” говорить. Ясно?
jurov: what does it mean? i mean, semantically?
jurov: at least, what is кц?
mircea_popescu: plan a: create nation state. plan b: hack on some python code. plan c: kill some unloved males.
phf: movie is sort of an absurdist take on cargo cultism. in this case the quotes are instructions on social ritual on a backwards planet, that are obviously meaningless. a su viewer would see parallels to own life
phf: one man's spinal deformity is another man's dat arch
mircea_popescu: as it happens i was just watching it, talk of coincidences.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is not a deformity, that is a learned behaviour. girl is supposed to be able to take that pose or else needs to work out more.
phf: this exterminating angel looks neat, i'll put it in the backlog
mircea_popescu: it's exactly equivalent, bunch of "aliens" (spanish high society) just lose it.
mircea_popescu: and the fact that they notice they're losing it does not help them.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-18 01:57 Ingolfr_Arnarson: danielpbarron: I could answer to that saying that I only need judgment from people I interact directly , BUT maybe I am wrong so I will ponder about that statement.
mircea_popescu: it turns out on meditation that the blue-and-red usg as a matter of practical gnosis stands doubled by the subjective-objective vs need-want spurious equivalences. the charade promises "girls" that what they think is what is ; AND boys that what they want is what they need.
mircea_popescu: it's not just "feminist" that has to be either taught at moderate expense to think what is rather than expect what she thinks to be is'd at fabulous expense ; it's also "ancap" that has to be either taught to want what he needs at moderate expense rather than expect he wants will be made to be what he actually needs, at yet another fabulous expense.
mircea_popescu: in which perspective, "stop whining, you weren't raped, it's called reproduction" on one hand and "shut it, you can't have ideas, you're not a person" become quite readily equivalent mirror processes of de-subhumanization.
mircea_popescu: Ingolfr_Arnarson who the hell makes pngs out of text, srsly now. and how exactly is "anarcho capitalism" supposed to have morphed into this nonsense "i am afraid of the dentist" "nonviolence" bullshit ? violence is great for you ; arguably the best of the various available tools in nature's arsenal.
mircea_popescu: as presented this is just a tedious rehash of us-style evanghelism, itself a tedious rehash of catolicism, itself a tedious rehash of orthodox xtianity. there's ~0 need of re-re-re-re-doing a stupid idea, seriously now.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, imagine if these pansy-ass "ancaps" end up in power, and fail to hang ~everyone who was ever involved with a us political party in any capacity because "oh that'd be violent". holy shit you don't like reading history do you.
mircea_popescu: machinegun the fucking tsar, yo. that's ~the only thing the russkis did right.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's pretty much why i said "imagine" rather than suppose.
phf: building a virtual nation and ~starting~ with question of physical violence seems odd
a111: Logged on 2017-01-18 02:00 Ingolfr_Arnarson: !!down Ingolfr_Arnarson
Ingolfr_Arnarson: trinque, got it, actually I know I was just playing with the feature as when *muting* in a conference :P
Ingolfr_Arnarson: mircea_popescu, Is violence is so good, may I ask how much violence do you need on yourself in your life?
mircea_popescu: the problem with your question is that it presumes an equality that's not there. i beat my slaves whenever they need it, though.
mircea_popescu: phf i imagine it's descriptive, the end goal is supposed to be some sort of world where nobody can possibly get one upside the head no matter what.
mircea_popescu: seems a worthy continuation of the insanity that got the us in its present pickle in the first place. first, no child left behind, then, no to bullying, finally, "no violence". if a little bit of shit in the soup made it bad, and a little more made it worse, surely the solution is pure turd potage.
mircea_popescu: Ingolfr_Arnarson if you don't like the usg messing with you, the solution is emplaced m-2 machine guns and zirconium-based armor-piercing/incendiary rounds. not silly pngs.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: But did you ask your slaves how much violence from you they need in their lives? There is no problem in the question, because it is a question that can be asked to someone who can actually have a choice. The slaves don't, even if they'd rather have zero violence in their lives, you do have a choice, hence I can ask you the question.
mircea_popescu: well these slaves are slaves by choice. but in general, the concept of choice is groundless in this discussion. what basis would they choose on ? they know what they want and can't know what they need.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: Your 2 machine guns are part of your legitimate defense. You can use violence, all you want. But if you want to conform a community that works as one, then you need to agree that among yourselves you won't be nasty.
mircea_popescu: tmsr worked fine with no prior agreement. you have an exceptional standard of evidence before you to support that thesis.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: if they choose to be slaves, and know being slaves, then it's not violence exactly. Violence is when you didn't want to get beaten.
mircea_popescu: looky : violence IS something in itself. there's no such license available, "it's not violence because of tulpas, qualias and other mentalisms". either the vase is glass, or the vase is not glass.
mircea_popescu: what anyone involved or not involved feels or thinks on the topic must not get mixed into it. that's what "is" means.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: I am afraid without the limits of qualias then everything is violence and if everything is violence then it is useless to even use a word for it.
mircea_popescu: and as a metholodogical principle : when you discover that your notion is baseless, the correct response is not to try and prop it up. the correct response is to get rid of it.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: I apologize for using the word violence, because I know it is already being used in many ways that can be used to distort a specific meaning put on a so much touched symbol. Maybe I should use another word without participation in the already established language games.
mircea_popescu: are you familiar with how the whole wot thing works, in practice, from the logs ?
mircea_popescu: can't hurt. in any case, you don't need any prior agreement. there already exists, and in practice works, a self-righting mechanism for the same purpose.
mircea_popescu: we've been testing it extensively, over years, it's mostly a solved problem.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: Of course I don't think that the 'ancap agreement' makes people fulfill it automatically by just saying they will, and there is an additional actual effective system needed to 'enforce' the agreement in a concrete way.
mircea_popescu: which actual effective system also makes the "ancap agreement" spurious, as it happens.
mircea_popescu: how come you understand how broken nonsense is when it's close to home yet somehow memory hole that understanding when discussing more distant matter ?
mircea_popescu: you know socialists of the "idealist" type have this in common, that they expect classes of solutions to "be right" in general but not in their own practice ?
mircea_popescu: people don't tend to look too highly on this style, also known as "not eating own dogfood".
Ingolfr_Arnarson: but i didn't say i wouldn't take a contract, it means you have just touched a sensitive point in my life due to the complexity of actors involved with different interests (she, me, her family) that we need to provide of part in the contract because of trying to live in peaceful terms with them after it and still get with our own plans.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why you imagine the perisexual arrangements of a coupla people are notably important. seems to me to be by far the least important and least complex item there is.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: It's useless to try to establish a contract to solve an issue is way less irrelevant that the way you make sure people can trust each other to give what was promised.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: Well, it depends, when your gf is from a conservative half hindu half muslim family you have to deal with complexity around the perisexual arrangements.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the trade in women was the first, historically, and throughout history in aggregate remains the most notable trade arrangement. it is neither exceptional not an improper subject of the discussion. exactly in the same way you settle all trade, you settle your nuptials ; and vice-versa.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: It's useless to try to make a contract to solve an issue because the contract is way less relevant than the way you maximize the probabilities of getting what you want (i.e. buying from a scammer vs someone who was doing well for long -can still turn into a scammer anytime but less chances).
mircea_popescu: so do what every sane male ever did : proscribe the parents, dekulakize them of the daughter, problem solved.
mircea_popescu: how much does half muslim - half hindu girl cost these days ?
Ingolfr_Arnarson: I am still trying to figure out the price, I'll let you know when the deal is settled.
mircea_popescu: fwiw i wouldn't even consider the deal. pay, really ? heh.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: You have to pay something, even if it is participating in a ridiculous hinduist ritual, and other things, so they are satisfied and leave you alone.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell Ingolfr_Arnarson Who is your daddy and what does he do?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Good morning to you davout, our favorite resident of the Dark Island.
davout: currently appearing right next to each other on lefigaro.fr
davout: "Son humour est absurde et souvent à base de fluides corporels."
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: le figaro, translating from ustardian newspapers two months later. they still get them by boat in the provinces or what ?
mircea_popescu: the whole pepe fake news thing didn't go anywhere pre-elections and lost ~all relevancy nov 8th
davout: fun times to be living in when fishwraps report about internet memes
mircea_popescu: dat sad fucking day when the top result for francois perrier in both text and images comes from fucking trilema.
mircea_popescu: davout tell the idiots over at le figaro it's game over. seriously now.
trinque: he's getting connection timeouts so far trying to reconnect
trinque: ah must be freenode sandstorm day again
jhvh1: stormy with a chance of packeting
mircea_popescu: iirc the galileo system was never seriously intended to have reliable satellites. the plan was lots of them
mircea_popescu: in other nutty, apparently there's a rather active tlp subreddit. in case anyone's unclear as to how "foss" works : they'll soon enough come up with a tlp 2.0 and then discontinue the original website.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-17 16:06 mircea_popescu: suppose you met an ant one day, and this and told you in morse code its whole genome.
mircea_popescu: apparently author experienced complete loss of interest in grammar also.
mircea_popescu: but he's 23 and for MANY YEARS was extremely pro-startup. which illuminates why start-up had to lose the dash.
mircea_popescu: originally my "trei ani de experienta" (three years' experience) was a stab at the deeply illiterate, cargo-cultish third world shithole that was romania.
mircea_popescu: possibly just more successful at repressing the mass of idiots.
mircea_popescu: "I convinced my self for so long that whatever I was doing was going to be great and help lots of people, but it didn't."
mircea_popescu: myeah. almost made me want to leave a comment. but, not gonna bother.
mircea_popescu: the cries of help from the abjectly humble may be heeded ; but hn has too much accumulated sin on its back.
mircea_popescu: anyway. these "engineers" making their own bed... seriously now ? MEN WITH JOBS! JERRY! AND SECRETATIES!
mircea_popescu: who the fuck makes his own bed ; and why the fuck do they think they have anything to say that may interest anyone.
mircea_popescu: i suppose if i gave half a shit about "online" and "the web" and whatnot in 2000s i might have read it too. as it happens, i didn't.
mircea_popescu: so i guess i miss out on most of the... what is it, "this used to be not bad" roots of the nonsense, much like my girls that started watching mtv in 2005 rather than the 90s.
mircea_popescu: but yes, mtv was kinda... not bad, in 1995. not like it was great or anything, but by the time it "yo mtv raps" and so on it was clearly off the rails.
mircea_popescu: exactly how this works. the "had to have been there" sort of joke, not really funny in any sense.
mircea_popescu: yeah, where do lisp people hang out these days, outside of #chainstate ?
mircea_popescu: "as of december 2016 mtyv no longer plays music videos" ahahahaha
shinohai: This is what you get for digging graves for cats at midnite asciilifeform ..... I think Samuel Clemens warned about things like this happening.
shinohai: "Why, you take your cat and go and get in the graveyard 'long about midnight when somebody that was wicked has been buried; and when it's midnight a devil will come, or maybe two or three"
BingoBoingo: Anyways the lesson of yesterday's log is that asciilifeform needs a warm wet cotton rag to help the next kitten.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It lick the butthole without your tongue so kitty can poop
BingoBoingo: at some point cat grows to lick own butthole, but this is thing cat learns
shinohai: I mean, we *all* have to learn how to lick buttholes.
trinque: when I had two kittens around, I just folded the things in half until they got the message
trinque: messy buttholes are forbidden
mats: 'accidentally' bombed a refugee camp like usg accidentally bombed a chinese embassy
ben_vulpes: i'm sure the nukes are in fine condition.
ben_vulpes: such a simple machine, detonator and compressive charge, how could anyone ever fuck that up.
mircea_popescu: "we fucked up rhodesia and now the remnant doesn't think so much of us, oh noes"
pete_dushenski: sorta how this works. nth generation libtard prof in kent thinks himself superior to injens, which is ironically just like granpappy
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: you'll be pleased to hear that i resurrected cycling season today. +2C and studded winter tires were a combo i couldn't pass up. route that takes 25min in the summer took 35 through the snow and slush. will be trying for once a week going forward, weather permitting.
mircea_popescu: so i just ran a count and among the ~4k or so different names, there's a <Nick_Szabo> !
a111: Logged on 2013-12-23 15:39 Nick_Szabo: money laundering is a human right!
pete_dushenski: "Hi, Would you be interested in Email List of Toxicology Industry Professionals?" << that's a new spam angle.
ben_vulpes: ("i know what this entirely figured-out industrial process needs -- more steps and parts!")
pete_dushenski: just swapped out tires on my normal road/crossover bike. 35mm is pretty narrow. didn't have the stomach for wider rims to accomodate wider tires. anyways, the studs are put to use.
pete_dushenski: to use a mod6ism, it's slick as a minnow's dick out there.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: on the chains thread, perhaps worth pointing out that this area doesn't salt the roads.
ben_vulpes: most people get around in covered wagons anyways, so it's not that big of a deal.
pete_dushenski: at least this is my impression from reading ch. been a few years since i was in portland
ben_vulpes: what tax, pdx issues bonds and goes into debt just like the big boys
pete_dushenski: i have nfi. assumed you (or landlord) paid prop tax, gas tax, parking ticket tax, whatever else
ben_vulpes: well yes ofc, but the point is that there's no hard coupling between revenues and expenses when the government can simply borrow more.
pete_dushenski: anyways, seems the height of incompetency not to do ~something~ when it snows. shovel, scrape, salt, sand. you've got the four s's right there. pick one.
ben_vulpes: dunno how you got to "portland does nothing" from "no salt or sand". there are plows, they were out.
ben_vulpes: moreover i live in clackamas county, where civilized men load the children and whiskey into the trucks and go plow each others streets for fun.
ben_vulpes: dependence on the state is cancer of the soul.
pete_dushenski: don't need to tell me, i cashed their paycheques for years.
pete_dushenski: reading journal entries from those years definitely sounds like i can soulcancer.
pete_dushenski: more lulzy spam today, "This is the only available means of communication to me, so I crave your indulgence to kindly read my email and I'll start by introducing my self, my name is Aisha Gaddafi the daughter of Muammar Gaddafi, the deposed and deceased former president of Libya. I am currently residing in Muscat the capital of Oman under political asylum along with my remaining three kids. Copy this
pete_dushenski: does nigerian prince have own entry ? "look, i'm real! my wiki says so!"
trinque: "I reject the continual erasure of sex workers from our feminisms" << lel
ben_vulpes: trinque: fwiw, if a girl doesn't at least allow for other women to engage in sex work she can't be called a feminist
trinque: sry my brain stopped processing at "our feminisms"
ben_vulpes: gotta wail together or it doesn't work i guess
pete_dushenski: i read it as "no one asked the untermensch what they think, but isn't it funny to get a glimpse inside of what they think they think" (part cccxiv)
trinque: there's this prevalent american myth of the impotent nerd, probably generated by insecure TV/"film" writers in the latter 20th century
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: that's like asking "which clump of mud in the mudpit"
pete_dushenski: trinque: and yet that impotent nerd character is 'supermanised' into bill gates, swordfish hackers, and snowden in the same breath. not that i have a model for this duality.
ben_vulpes: wasn't the swordfish hacker played up down and sideways?
trinque: pete_dushenski: I dunno that gates was ever cool, just in "the media" lots.
trinque: guy always seemed like a bed wetter
trinque: 60s is too early for this thing
trinque: you've gotta watch 80s trash like Revenge of the Nerds for the genesis
trinque: current generation uses ^ as an excuse for their bottomless laziness
trinque: anything but that she isn't fucking you because, you know, you didn't go over there and fuck
pete_dushenski: hey, mom could've give dude a lift, cut him some slack that his dick's dry as the sahara.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, there's this whole "engineers are beta" thing.
mircea_popescu: but basically is merging with an older "niggers are sex fiends" theme of racist thought. so by now it's "good white guys with small dicks being accountants" vs "evil niggers with clubdicks" sorta nonsense
mircea_popescu: no, no, the pointy hair boss isn't in this strip. it's more in the line of "good white boy goes on deployment, meanwhile his derpopotamus falls in the lures of black pimp/drug dealer, lives like her black sistas"
mircea_popescu: which doublessly IS a vein, but which really has naught to do with either power or thought.
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's actually the demographic underlying the conceptual oddity, "red pill" subculture is mostly low wage rural whites, who work for a highway diner, go in afghanistan, etc.
mircea_popescu: it's becoming quite evidently a poor-white-vs-poor-black dynamic, now that i think of it. "engineer" is there in the sense "ceo" is there in soap operas as the symbolic job of the husband. not like he ever does any ceo-ish things.
mircea_popescu: apparently "the red pill" is the knownothing society of 2000s.
mircea_popescu: in which perspective, "evolutionary biology & game theory" woo is the eugenics of 2000s.
mircea_popescu: (how the fuck anyone even marginally conversant in the respective topics manages to wade through the bullshit is anyone's guess. but somehow a concept for group role in evolutionary biology became a brand of identity in "evolutionary biology", and we're all speaking of "alphas" and "betas" as if these are a thing, a brunette, a beta. i guess in a very postmodern cartoonish sense they are. aanyway.)
ben_vulpes: that feel when your html renders just fine in lynx but chrome makes an unspeakable nightmare of it
mircea_popescu: well, a whore is the sexually active girl who won't fuck you ; and the alpha is the dude she'll fuck in preference. i'm pretty sure that's the extent of the common ground, ie, the "community" definition.
shinohai: Lol Roger Ver got suspended from reddit
mircea_popescu: don't tell me he had a dispute over who's paying for the two slices of pizza with some other captain of industry and ended up going into the blockchain.info admin interface all over again