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ben_vulpes: "can we killer app it"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes fine example of how schelling points actually work, btw.
ben_vulpes: omfg top notch
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aye
ben_vulpes: i see it
ben_vulpes: agustin: well now you'll *need* to !!up yourself
ben_vulpes: open project for #tmsr acolytes: scrape chainstate for time delta between blocks for the past few days, calculate average and first std dev. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate
ben_vulpes is rewriting logger, would do it otherwise.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes your notion of making channel log one single line is hindering bashing pointlessly.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: pardon?
mircea_popescu: curl http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-17 | sed "s/span>/\n/g" | grep "m, " | awk -F ", " '{print $3$4}' | sed 's/m/*60+/ ; s%s</%%' << model for above task :D
ben_vulpes: oh oh
mircea_popescu: iirc those can be directly imported into statistix package of one's choice.
mircea_popescu: if anyone needs a refresher on that tony hain politruk, https://archive.is/CIFhA
mircea_popescu: 16 years ago, this "python 3" thingee.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-18#1604597 << http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/blocks.txt ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-18 00:02 ben_vulpes: open project for #tmsr acolytes: scrape chainstate for time delta between blocks for the past few days, calculate average and first std dev.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ^^
mircea_popescu: !!up Ingolfr_Arnarson
deedbot: Ingolfr_Arnarson voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: curl http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/blocks.txt | sed "s/span>/\n/g" | grep "m, " | awk -F ", " '{print $3$4}' | sed 's/m/*60+/ ; s%s%%' | bc << that has pretty much everything that's needed. fiddle the awk to make an acumulator then print a 2nd colum,n with the sdev etc.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: agustin againhere, messed up not remembering the gpg passphrase just created. And changed my nickname for the name I go around usually.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/069DP/?raw=true
deedbot: 8EC5D12F9914F85DAF2304356A533C6C941BB0D9 registered as Ingolfr_Arnarson.
ben_vulpes: lolk
mircea_popescu: prolly better to import it in r anyway
mircea_popescu: (aka gnu s)
Ingolfr_Arnarson: !!up Ingolfr_Arnarson
deedbot: You may not !!up yourself.
ben_vulpes: !!rate Ingolfr_Arnarson 1 new blood
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/046K6/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: !!v 61A580475F8BE8AEDD7DE7295076F5BCF077307B8CEBD36432DF8B34F48A7AD7
deedbot: ben_vulpes rated Ingolfr_Arnarson 1 << new blood
ben_vulpes: Ingolfr_Arnarson: try again
Ingolfr_Arnarson: !!up Ingolfr_Arnarson
deedbot: Ingolfr_Arnarson voiced for 30 minutes.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: good.
ben_vulpes: well that's an interesting result
ben_vulpes: trinque: ^^ "for 30 minutes"?
ben_vulpes: Ingolfr_Arnarson: indulge me for a second, i'm going to down you and then would you up yourself?
ben_vulpes: !!down Ingolfr_Arnarson
phf: hehe
phf: !!up phf
deedbot: phf voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: now we wait
mircea_popescu: !!down phf
deedbot: mircea_popescu may not !!down phf.
ben_vulpes: heh
mircea_popescu: i doubt it'll devoice you
ben_vulpes: Ingolfr_Arnarson: you'll hafta pm deedbot if you haven't figured that out yet
ben_vulpes: heyo
Ingolfr_Arnarson: It working as expected now?
ben_vulpes: appears to be, yes.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: Good. Thanks.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: Mircea asked me to introduce myself before, I'll type about myself a bit now and then press enter.
mircea_popescu: works.
trinque: ben_vulpes: well he specified his own name
ben_vulpes: trinque: i see
trinque: I could go all UX designer over here but seems the opposite of urgent.
ben_vulpes: nono i understand how it works now
ben_vulpes: like i did two months before
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: i was thinking "hey, this is a recurring vulpes thing"
ben_vulpes: Ingolfr_Arnarson: you writing a novel?
Ingolfr_Arnarson: I am a normal guy with a normal work, who for some strange life chances ended up into libertarianism (politics until turning full ancap) and around the bitcoin community here. There is where I knew someone who let me know about Mircea's posts and about this channel. I am into coding, into maths, physics and of course crypto. And trying to organize a better society without state. I think that's all that may be relevant to say now. Any questions?
mircea_popescu: well nothing there's very specific, but sure.
mircea_popescu: and in other BingoBoingo -approved news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/259b05a299d6bcce4e9a028a28245499/tumblr_ny1vacj8qo1r3z5lio1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: Ingolfr_Arnarson: do you have a www ?
Ingolfr_Arnarson: (hold on, phone)
Ingolfr_Arnarson: !!down Ingolfr_Arnarson
mircea_popescu: watch that the dude turns out to be perfectly sane AND from argentina, ruining my whole stereotype.
phf: Framedragger: that movie about whores is nice. it's only spoiled by an occasional "poignant" bjork style soundtrack. i couldn't figure out if it's trying to cue you when you're supposed to feel sad, or if the director just likes that kind of music..
mircea_popescu: which one is this ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-15#1603330 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-15 19:10 Framedragger: another film recommendation by association - documentary: "whore's glory" - by one glawogger (who died from malaria or somesuch while filming in liberia or somewheresuch), a bunch of interviews with whores in bangladesh, thailand etc
trinque: actually I'll probably go ahead and sand off that rough edge; it's confusing.
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: trinque there's really nothing wrong with people being able to noob-up themselves.
danielpbarron: he should have typed just !!up
danielpbarron: !!up
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/5ywX0/?raw=true
Ingolfr_Arnarson: asciilifeform: I do not have a www created. Just owning www.ancapia.com, trying to design the best plan to make it a guide for people into voluntaryism or to turn it into an actual virtual nation conforming instructions. If possible. If I decide it is not, then I'll drop it and dedicate onto other projects I have.
danielpbarron: should put a blog there
phf: "plan a: create nation state. plan b: hack on some python code"
Ingolfr_Arnarson: But... is another blog needed?
danielpbarron: you have a blog already? then no, a second blog is not needed
Ingolfr_Arnarson: No but a lot of people have and are saying things better than I could.
trinque: Ingolfr_Arnarson: where would I find another actual virtual nation?
trinque tends to think the ancap thing is a developmental stage.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: I heard there is a republic running in here. Also bitcoin could work as one if it doesn't fail in an unexpected way.
trinque: first comes the "fuck you I won't do whatcha tell me," then later one considers that in a competitive arena, things tend to sort.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: And don't forget realizing one can try to sort out things without *having* to kill each other.
trinque: surely killing a person might be a waste, but one would have to bother to define person before using the term
trinque: if non-personhood drowns out personhood, then what?
Ingolfr_Arnarson: I have a definition under the ancap 'contract'
danielpbarron: Ingolfr_Arnarson, a blog is not only for you to judge the world, but for the world to judge you
Ingolfr_Arnarson: danielpbarron: I could answer to that saying that I only need judgment from people I interact directly , BUT maybe I am wrong so I will ponder about that statement. ☟︎
Ingolfr_Arnarson: trinque: If you replace "Ancap" by "Person" in this, it is how I define it. https://s27.postimg.org/7xfkjiokj/Ancap_Agreement.png
Ingolfr_Arnarson: (back on the phone, sorry, brb, if i do bb)
Ingolfr_Arnarson: !!down Ingolfr_Arnarson ☟︎
phf: Когда у меня один грамм кц есть, тогда желтые штаны носить мочь. И передо мной пацак не один, а два раза должен приседать и “ку” говорить. Ясно? А если у меня два грамма кц есть, я малиновые штаны носить мочь, и меня энцилопп ночью не имеет права бить.
phf: А если я больше трех грамм кц спрятал, то передо мной и чатланин на чатланской планете должен приседать и “ку” говорить. Ясно?
asciilifeform: ^^
asciilifeform: + 'Плюк - чатланская планета, поэтому мы, пацаки, должны цаки носить.'
jurov: what does it mean? i mean, semantically?
jurov: at least, what is кц?
asciilifeform: jurov: very difficult to explain. cult film, from 1980s. кц was currency used by oddball aliens on their planet. turned out to ~= ordinary matches from earth.
mircea_popescu: plan a: create nation state. plan b: hack on some python code. plan c: kill some unloved males.
phf: movie is sort of an absurdist take on cargo cultism. in this case the quotes are instructions on social ritual on a backwards planet, that are obviously meaningless. a su viewer would see parallels to own life
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in windows today, http://68.media.tumblr.com/cc69438ca3932aac88c8957acb739475/tumblr_nl2p8hPYsJ1r3z5lio1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: wtf spinal deformity is that.
mircea_popescu: phf you seen the exterminating angel ?
phf: one man's spinal deformity is another man's dat arch
mircea_popescu: as it happens i was just watching it, talk of coincidences.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is not a deformity, that is a learned behaviour. girl is supposed to be able to take that pose or else needs to work out more.
mircea_popescu: !#s lordosis behaviour
a111: 3 results for "lordosis behaviour", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=lordosis%20behaviour
phf: ^ https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5009/5356114623_e92056be77_b.jpg
mircea_popescu: heh
phf: this exterminating angel looks neat, i'll put it in the backlog
mircea_popescu: it's exactly equivalent, bunch of "aliens" (spanish high society) just lose it.
mircea_popescu: and the fact that they notice they're losing it does not help them.
mircea_popescu: and to continue the spinal behaviours, http://68.media.tumblr.com/fa2db66dbcece92a4dbda217bff08faa/tumblr_nl26wm4Dby1r3z5lio1_1280.jpg
shinohai: Road Rash
phf: huh apparently obama administration shut down yucca mountain repository project back in 2011, http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/05/10/10greenwire-gao-death-of-yucca-mountain-caused-by-politica-36298.html?pagewanted=all
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-18#1604688 << the problem is that what you want and what you need don't readily map. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-18 01:57 Ingolfr_Arnarson: danielpbarron: I could answer to that saying that I only need judgment from people I interact directly , BUT maybe I am wrong so I will ponder about that statement.
mircea_popescu: it turns out on meditation that the blue-and-red usg as a matter of practical gnosis stands doubled by the subjective-objective vs need-want spurious equivalences. the charade promises "girls" that what they think is what is ; AND boys that what they want is what they need.
mircea_popescu: it's not just "feminist" that has to be either taught at moderate expense to think what is rather than expect what she thinks to be is'd at fabulous expense ; it's also "ancap" that has to be either taught to want what he needs at moderate expense rather than expect he wants will be made to be what he actually needs, at yet another fabulous expense.
mircea_popescu: in which perspective, "stop whining, you weren't raped, it's called reproduction" on one hand and "shut it, you can't have ideas, you're not a person" become quite readily equivalent mirror processes of de-subhumanization.
mircea_popescu: Ingolfr_Arnarson who the hell makes pngs out of text, srsly now. and how exactly is "anarcho capitalism" supposed to have morphed into this nonsense "i am afraid of the dentist" "nonviolence" bullshit ? violence is great for you ; arguably the best of the various available tools in nature's arsenal.
mircea_popescu: as presented this is just a tedious rehash of us-style evanghelism, itself a tedious rehash of catolicism, itself a tedious rehash of orthodox xtianity. there's ~0 need of re-re-re-re-doing a stupid idea, seriously now.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, imagine if these pansy-ass "ancaps" end up in power, and fail to hang ~everyone who was ever involved with a us political party in any capacity because "oh that'd be violent". holy shit you don't like reading history do you.
asciilifeform: imagine if mircea_popescu's potted datura stramonia bush ended up in power.
mircea_popescu: machinegun the fucking tsar, yo. that's ~the only thing the russkis did right.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's pretty much why i said "imagine" rather than suppose.
phf: building a virtual nation and ~starting~ with question of physical violence seems odd
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-18#1604691 << this isn't necessary; you don't have to devoice when not present. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-18 02:00 Ingolfr_Arnarson: !!down Ingolfr_Arnarson
Ingolfr_Arnarson: trinque, got it, actually I know I was just playing with the feature as when *muting* in a conference :P
Ingolfr_Arnarson: mircea_popescu, Is violence is so good, may I ask how much violence do you need on yourself in your life?
Ingolfr_Arnarson: If*
mircea_popescu: the problem with your question is that it presumes an equality that's not there. i beat my slaves whenever they need it, though.
mircea_popescu: phf i imagine it's descriptive, the end goal is supposed to be some sort of world where nobody can possibly get one upside the head no matter what.
mircea_popescu: seems a worthy continuation of the insanity that got the us in its present pickle in the first place. first, no child left behind, then, no to bullying, finally, "no violence". if a little bit of shit in the soup made it bad, and a little more made it worse, surely the solution is pure turd potage.
mircea_popescu: Ingolfr_Arnarson if you don't like the usg messing with you, the solution is emplaced m-2 machine guns and zirconium-based armor-piercing/incendiary rounds. not silly pngs.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: But did you ask your slaves how much violence from you they need in their lives? There is no problem in the question, because it is a question that can be asked to someone who can actually have a choice. The slaves don't, even if they'd rather have zero violence in their lives, you do have a choice, hence I can ask you the question.
mircea_popescu: well these slaves are slaves by choice. but in general, the concept of choice is groundless in this discussion. what basis would they choose on ? they know what they want and can't know what they need.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: Your 2 machine guns are part of your legitimate defense. You can use violence, all you want. But if you want to conform a community that works as one, then you need to agree that among yourselves you won't be nasty.
mircea_popescu: and why do you need to agree ?
mircea_popescu: tmsr worked fine with no prior agreement. you have an exceptional standard of evidence before you to support that thesis.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: if they choose to be slaves, and know being slaves, then it's not violence exactly. Violence is when you didn't want to get beaten.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: looky : violence IS something in itself. there's no such license available, "it's not violence because of tulpas, qualias and other mentalisms". either the vase is glass, or the vase is not glass.
mircea_popescu: what anyone involved or not involved feels or thinks on the topic must not get mixed into it. that's what "is" means.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: I am afraid without the limits of qualias then everything is violence and if everything is violence then it is useless to even use a word for it.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly the point here.
mircea_popescu: and as a metholodogical principle : when you discover that your notion is baseless, the correct response is not to try and prop it up. the correct response is to get rid of it.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: I apologize for using the word violence, because I know it is already being used in many ways that can be used to distort a specific meaning put on a so much touched symbol. Maybe I should use another word without participation in the already established language games.
mircea_popescu: are you familiar with how the whole wot thing works, in practice, from the logs ?
Ingolfr_Arnarson: a bit.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: should re read
mircea_popescu: can't hurt. in any case, you don't need any prior agreement. there already exists, and in practice works, a self-righting mechanism for the same purpose.
mircea_popescu: we've been testing it extensively, over years, it's mostly a solved problem.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: Of course I don't think that the 'ancap agreement' makes people fulfill it automatically by just saying they will, and there is an additional actual effective system needed to 'enforce' the agreement in a concrete way.
mircea_popescu: which actual effective system also makes the "ancap agreement" spurious, as it happens.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: and i agree wot is the best way.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: Yeah. But it makes it happen. :)
mircea_popescu: are you married ?
Ingolfr_Arnarson: Not yet.
mircea_popescu: do you have the agreement ready for that ?
Ingolfr_Arnarson: *sigh*
mircea_popescu: hmmmm ?
Ingolfr_Arnarson: what would be such agreement?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, a png i expect. same as here, neh ?
mircea_popescu: how come you understand how broken nonsense is when it's close to home yet somehow memory hole that understanding when discussing more distant matter ?
Ingolfr_Arnarson: some contracts negotiations are harder than others :P
mircea_popescu: oh i see
mircea_popescu: you know socialists of the "idealist" type have this in common, that they expect classes of solutions to "be right" in general but not in their own practice ?
mircea_popescu: people don't tend to look too highly on this style, also known as "not eating own dogfood".
Ingolfr_Arnarson: but i didn't say i wouldn't take a contract, it means you have just touched a sensitive point in my life due to the complexity of actors involved with different interests (she, me, her family) that we need to provide of part in the contract because of trying to live in peaceful terms with them after it and still get with our own plans.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: But I get your point.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why you imagine the perisexual arrangements of a coupla people are notably important. seems to me to be by far the least important and least complex item there is.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: It's useless to try to establish a contract to solve an issue is way less irrelevant that the way you make sure people can trust each other to give what was promised.
mircea_popescu: that didn't parse.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: Well, it depends, when your gf is from a conservative half hindu half muslim family you have to deal with complexity around the perisexual arrangements.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: Sorry, true, that didn't parse.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the trade in women was the first, historically, and throughout history in aggregate remains the most notable trade arrangement. it is neither exceptional not an improper subject of the discussion. exactly in the same way you settle all trade, you settle your nuptials ; and vice-versa.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: It's useless to try to make a contract to solve an issue because the contract is way less relevant than the way you maximize the probabilities of getting what you want (i.e. buying from a scammer vs someone who was doing well for long -can still turn into a scammer anytime but less chances).
mircea_popescu: so do what every sane male ever did : proscribe the parents, dekulakize them of the daughter, problem solved.
mircea_popescu: may take some violence (tm) which is entirely fine.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: that's why you pay them.
mircea_popescu: how much does half muslim - half hindu girl cost these days ?
Ingolfr_Arnarson: I am still trying to figure out the price, I'll let you know when the deal is settled.
mircea_popescu: fwiw i wouldn't even consider the deal. pay, really ? heh.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: You have to pay something, even if it is participating in a ridiculous hinduist ritual, and other things, so they are satisfied and leave you alone.
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: i will know.
Ingolfr_Arnarson: k, i'm gone, until next time. :)
BingoBoingo: !~later tell Ingolfr_Arnarson Who is your daddy and what does he do?
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
davout: ohai, guten morgen
BingoBoingo: Good morning to you davout, our favorite resident of the Dark Island.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/hussein-bahamas-commutes-sentence-of-chelsea-nee-bradley-manning/ << Qntra - Hussein Bahamas Commutes Sentence Of Chelsea (nee. Bradley) Manning
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/police-clear-weapons-caches-in-dc-parks-ahead-of-trump-inauguration/ << Qntra - Police Clear Weapons Caches In DC Parks Ahead Of Trump Inauguration
davout: currently appearing right next to each other on lefigaro.fr
davout: http://www.lefigaro.fr/secteur/high-tech/2017/01/18/32001-20170118ARTFIG00014-pepe-l-histoire-d-une-grenouille-devenue-la-mascotte-de-l-extreme-droite-sur-internet.php
davout: http://www.lefigaro.fr/elections/presidentielles/primaires-gauche/2017/01/17/35005-20170117ARTFIG00277-manuel-valls-gilfe-lors-d-un-deplacement-en-bretagne.php
davout: "Son humour est absurde et souvent à base de fluides corporels."
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HnqF9/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: le figaro, translating from ustardian newspapers two months later. they still get them by boat in the provinces or what ?
mircea_popescu: the whole pepe fake news thing didn't go anywhere pre-elections and lost ~all relevancy nov 8th
davout: fun times to be living in when fishwraps report about internet memes
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0CD9A20A2B24AC1479376D379E7FE5BC721141416BFE0C5DFD3A2DA7E8163123 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1635...7089 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (alpha.ammann-alz.ch. DE NW)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0CD9A20A2B24AC1479376D379E7FE5BC721141416BFE0C5DFD3A2DA7E8163123 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1481...7729 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (alpha.ammann-alz.ch. DE NW)
mircea_popescu: dat sad fucking day when the top result for francois perrier in both text and images comes from fucking trilema.
mircea_popescu: davout tell the idiots over at le figaro it's game over. seriously now.
trinque: wat
trinque: he's getting connection timeouts so far trying to reconnect
mircea_popescu: who ?
trinque: herr deedbot
trinque: ah must be freenode sandstorm day again
shinohai: !~weather
jhvh1: stormy with a chance of packeting
trinque: lol
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/late-to-the-party-as-usual/ << Trilema - Late to the party. As usual.
asciilifeform: woah that's the dourest looking mircea_popescu face thus far
mircea_popescu: i was reading some stupid shit online.
mircea_popescu: (the pic is actually from luxor, 2003)
asciilifeform: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38664225 << in other noose. Use Moar Leadfree Solder!!
asciilifeform: 'Across the 18 satellites now in orbit, nine clocks have stopped operating. Three are traditional rubidium devices; six are the more precise hydrogen maser instruments that were designed to give Galileo superior performance to the American GPS network.'
mircea_popescu: iirc the galileo system was never seriously intended to have reliable satellites. the plan was lots of them
mircea_popescu: in other nutty, apparently there's a rather active tlp subreddit. in case anyone's unclear as to how "foss" works : they'll soon enough come up with a tlp 2.0 and then discontinue the original website.
asciilifeform: in a continuation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-17#1604239 >> https://archive.is/AQPoU ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-17 16:06 mircea_popescu: suppose you met an ant one day, and this and told you in morse code its whole genome.
mircea_popescu: apparently author experienced complete loss of interest in grammar also.
asciilifeform: most likely never was literate.
asciilifeform: (it is rare among young folx in monkeystan, nao.)
mircea_popescu: but he's 23 and for MANY YEARS was extremely pro-startup. which illuminates why start-up had to lose the dash.
asciilifeform: pretty sure it was pg who cut out its dash.
asciilifeform: (why, i do not know, ask him not me)
mircea_popescu: originally my "trei ani de experienta" (three years' experience) was a stab at the deeply illiterate, cargo-cultish third world shithole that was romania.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the us has closed the gap.
asciilifeform: dunno if there ever ~was~ a gap.
mircea_popescu: possibly just more successful at repressing the mass of idiots.
mircea_popescu: "I convinced my self for so long that whatever I was doing was going to be great and help lots of people, but it didn't."
mircea_popescu: myeah. almost made me want to leave a comment. but, not gonna bother.
mircea_popescu: the cries of help from the abjectly humble may be heeded ; but hn has too much accumulated sin on its back.
mircea_popescu: anyway. these "engineers" making their own bed... seriously now ? MEN WITH JOBS! JERRY! AND SECRETATIES!
mircea_popescu: who the fuck makes his own bed ; and why the fuck do they think they have anything to say that may interest anyone.
asciilifeform: at one point (mid-2000s) i quasi-regularly read hn. it always had a background hum of wagner/cyanide, but carefully filtered, the way slaughterhouse keeps the squeals isolated to one end of the conveyor, so as not to frighten the incoming pigs.
mircea_popescu: i suppose if i gave half a shit about "online" and "the web" and whatnot in 2000s i might have read it too. as it happens, i didn't.
asciilifeform: i didn't either. just bored.
mircea_popescu: so i guess i miss out on most of the... what is it, "this used to be not bad" roots of the nonsense, much like my girls that started watching mtv in 2005 rather than the 90s.
mircea_popescu: but yes, mtv was kinda... not bad, in 1995. not like it was great or anything, but by the time it "yo mtv raps" and so on it was clearly off the rails.
asciilifeform: fwiw i never saw it and don't have a feeling of having missed anything.
mircea_popescu: exactly how this works. the "had to have been there" sort of joke, not really funny in any sense.
asciilifeform: i read reddit/hn, & co., for a short while because it had a subculture of commonlisp folx. then stayed tuned for no good reason for a spell, from inertia.
mircea_popescu: yeah, where do lisp people hang out these days, outside of #chainstate ?
asciilifeform: in phf's/ben_vulpes's/trinque's chairs...
mircea_popescu: "as of december 2016 mtyv no longer plays music videos" ahahahaha
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/ether-camp-breaks-out-in-cheating-accusations-after-huffing-orgy/ << Qntra - Ether.camp Breaks Out In Cheating Accusations After Huffing Orgy
mircea_popescu: ahh that slow motion trainwreck is such comedy gold.
asciilifeform had a dream last night, that he was tending a threadbare patch of ground in afghan. and another dream that he visited mircea_popescu's house, and it turned out to be a massive derelict freighter, tastefully rockefellerized on the inside.
mircea_popescu: nice!
shinohai: This is what you get for digging graves for cats at midnite asciilifeform ..... I think Samuel Clemens warned about things like this happening.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i thought it was edgar poe who warned.
shinohai: "Why, you take your cat and go and get in the graveyard 'long about midnight when somebody that was wicked has been buried; and when it's midnight a devil will come, or maybe two or three"
BingoBoingo: Anyways the lesson of yesterday's log is that asciilifeform needs a warm wet cotton rag to help the next kitten.
asciilifeform: what does that do
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It lick the butthole without your tongue so kitty can poop
asciilifeform: what sort of defective species is this.
BingoBoingo: cat
BingoBoingo: at some point cat grows to lick own butthole, but this is thing cat learns
shinohai: I mean, we *all* have to learn how to lick buttholes.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0351549381C86B392E49437BC88CD95A42B4EBAD4B4F89E2DFF9851812D286AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1662...6497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (apipo.net. JP)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0351549381C86B392E49437BC88CD95A42B4EBAD4B4F89E2DFF9851812D286AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1713...2037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (apipo.net. JP)
trinque: when I had two kittens around, I just folded the things in half until they got the message
trinque: messy buttholes are forbidden
mats: mm, butts
asciilifeform: http://www.defensenews.com/articles/engine-drops-out-of-b-52-during-training-at-minot-air-force-base << somehow missed this gem.
asciilifeform: 'The Boeing-manufactured bomber has been flying since 1952 and is expected to remain operating until around 2040, depending on when it is fully replaced by the Northrop Grumman’s B-21. ' << b21 is the bomberized chumpatronic equiv. of the mega-imaginary f35. ~21 bil. usd already contracted, in 2015! for delivery in.. 2040.
mats: in moar 'accidents', http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AF_NIGERIA_BOMBING_ERROR
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wtf
asciilifeform: cost predicted to be ~500 mil. each, iirc.
mircea_popescu: how does an engine fall out
mats: 'accidentally' bombed a refugee camp like usg accidentally bombed a chinese embassy
mircea_popescu: hey, they learned it at harvoxford
asciilifeform: mats: that thing dun load
asciilifeform: redirects to some 'select your state for latest news' nonsense
asciilifeform: iirc (anyone has source?) 1 in 7 b52 built to date, burned down in ~training accidents~
ben_vulpes: i'm sure the nukes are in fine condition.
ben_vulpes: very convinced.
ben_vulpes: such a simple machine, detonator and compressive charge, how could anyone ever fuck that up.
pete_dushenski: in other flying elephants, https://theconversation.com/why-zimbabwes-use-of-elephants-to-pay-off-old-debt-to-china-is-problematic-70873
mircea_popescu: "we fucked up rhodesia and now the remnant doesn't think so much of us, oh noes"
pete_dushenski: sorta how this works. nth generation libtard prof in kent thinks himself superior to injens, which is ironically just like granpappy
pete_dushenski: that white priviledge is a stubborn stain
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: you'll be pleased to hear that i resurrected cycling season today. +2C and studded winter tires were a combo i couldn't pass up. route that takes 25min in the summer took 35 through the snow and slush. will be trying for once a week going forward, weather permitting.
mircea_popescu: so i just ran a count and among the ~4k or so different names, there's a <Nick_Szabo> !
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-23#430050 << but then, it was scam ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2013-12-23 15:39 Nick_Szabo: money laundering is a human right!
pete_dushenski: "Hi, Would you be interested in Email List of Toxicology Industry Professionals?" << that's a new spam angle.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: studded bike tires?
pete_dushenski: oh yes, german ones.
ben_vulpes: seems unnecessary
ben_vulpes: fatties aren't adequate?
ben_vulpes: ("i know what this entirely figured-out industrial process needs -- more steps and parts!")
pete_dushenski: just swapped out tires on my normal road/crossover bike. 35mm is pretty narrow. didn't have the stomach for wider rims to accomodate wider tires. anyways, the studs are put to use.
pete_dushenski: to use a mod6ism, it's slick as a minnow's dick out there.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: on the chains thread, perhaps worth pointing out that this area doesn't salt the roads.
pete_dushenski: o! no gravel either ?
ben_vulpes: nah
ben_vulpes: most people get around in covered wagons anyways, so it's not that big of a deal.
pete_dushenski: $tax all spent on homeless anyways
pete_dushenski: at least this is my impression from reading ch. been a few years since i was in portland
ben_vulpes: what tax, pdx issues bonds and goes into debt just like the big boys
pete_dushenski: i have nfi. assumed you (or landlord) paid prop tax, gas tax, parking ticket tax, whatever else
ben_vulpes: well yes ofc, but the point is that there's no hard coupling between revenues and expenses when the government can simply borrow more.
pete_dushenski: s/$tax/$gov
pete_dushenski: anyways, seems the height of incompetency not to do ~something~ when it snows. shovel, scrape, salt, sand. you've got the four s's right there. pick one.
ben_vulpes: dunno how you got to "portland does nothing" from "no salt or sand". there are plows, they were out.
pete_dushenski: aha
ben_vulpes: moreover i live in clackamas county, where civilized men load the children and whiskey into the trucks and go plow each others streets for fun.
pete_dushenski: that's like, off the grid, man.
ben_vulpes: dependence on the state is cancer of the soul.
pete_dushenski: don't need to tell me, i cashed their paycheques for years.
pete_dushenski: reading journal entries from those years definitely sounds like i can soulcancer.
ben_vulpes: salted roads another subtler check
pete_dushenski: more lulzy spam today, "This is the only available means of communication to me, so I crave your indulgence to kindly read my email and I'll start by introducing my self, my name is Aisha Gaddafi the daughter of Muammar Gaddafi, the deposed and deceased former president of Libya. I am currently residing in Muscat the capital of Oman under political asylum along with my remaining three kids. Copy this
pete_dushenski: wikipedia link and open in a new browser if you care to know more about me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayesha_Gaddafi "
pete_dushenski: does nigerian prince have own entry ? "look, i'm real! my wiki says so!"
ben_vulpes: womens march continues to deliver top lols: http://janetmock.tumblr.com/post/156017232338/womens-march-sex-worker-inclusion
trinque: "I reject the continual erasure of sex workers from our feminisms" << lel
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-scum-and-its-hopes-dreams-and-aspirations-and-their-effects/ << Trilema - The scum ; and its hopes, dreams and aspirations ; and their effects
ben_vulpes: trinque: fwiw, if a girl doesn't at least allow for other women to engage in sex work she can't be called a feminist
trinque: sry my brain stopped processing at "our feminisms"
ben_vulpes: gotta wail together or it doesn't work i guess
mircea_popescu: the "sex work" thing is pretty lulzy.
asciilifeform confesses that this is one of the few trilema pieces that he found utterly opaque
asciilifeform: possibly because i find the underlying wank that provoked it, quite mysterious
pete_dushenski: i read it as "no one asked the untermensch what they think, but isn't it funny to get a glimpse inside of what they think they think" (part cccxiv)
trinque: there's this prevalent american myth of the impotent nerd, probably generated by insecure TV/"film" writers in the latter 20th century
asciilifeform: yes but which untermenschen, and what is it that they think.
asciilifeform: trinque: impotent/defeated/despairing folx certainly exist
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: that's like asking "which clump of mud in the mudpit"
pete_dushenski: which is the pecunia non olet bit
pete_dushenski: trinque: and yet that impotent nerd character is 'supermanised' into bill gates, swordfish hackers, and snowden in the same breath. not that i have a model for this duality.
asciilifeform: 'supermanised into snowden' ?!!!
ben_vulpes: wasn't the swordfish hacker played up down and sideways?
pete_dushenski: snowden has own official agitprop movie! citizenfour!
trinque: pete_dushenski: I dunno that gates was ever cool, just in "the media" lots.
trinque: guy always seemed like a bed wetter
pete_dushenski: lol well put
asciilifeform: is there a supermanised agitprop movie of martin and mitchell ?
asciilifeform: y'know, the ~original~ snowdens
pete_dushenski: i don't know ?
trinque: 60s is too early for this thing
trinque: you've gotta watch 80s trash like Revenge of the Nerds for the genesis
trinque: current generation uses ^ as an excuse for their bottomless laziness
trinque: anything but that she isn't fucking you because, you know, you didn't go over there and fuck
pete_dushenski: hey, mom could've give dude a lift, cut him some slack that his dick's dry as the sahara.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, there's this whole "engineers are beta" thing.
mircea_popescu: which is incomprehensible on the face.
asciilifeform: re m & m, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/lulz/m_and_m.png ( from http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/nsa/75791A.pdf ) >> apparently they considered taking out contract on m & m, but decided not to
mircea_popescu: but basically is merging with an older "niggers are sex fiends" theme of racist thought. so by now it's "good white guys with small dicks being accountants" vs "evil niggers with clubdicks" sorta nonsense
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the 'engineers' thing is from the 'dilbertian iconography' where there is class warfare between precisely two types of being, the 'dour engineer' and 'pointy haired boss'
mircea_popescu: no, no, the pointy hair boss isn't in this strip. it's more in the line of "good white boy goes on deployment, meanwhile his derpopotamus falls in the lures of black pimp/drug dealer, lives like her black sistas"
mircea_popescu: which doublessly IS a vein, but which really has naught to do with either power or thought.
asciilifeform: i thought when 'good boy went on deployment,' it is 'rear rat' who fucks his wife
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's actually the demographic underlying the conceptual oddity, "red pill" subculture is mostly low wage rural whites, who work for a highway diner, go in afghanistan, etc.
asciilifeform: or is this yet different movie.
mircea_popescu: it's becoming quite evidently a poor-white-vs-poor-black dynamic, now that i think of it. "engineer" is there in the sense "ceo" is there in soap operas as the symbolic job of the husband. not like he ever does any ceo-ish things.
mircea_popescu: apparently "the red pill" is the knownothing society of 2000s.
mircea_popescu: in which perspective, "evolutionary biology & game theory" woo is the eugenics of 2000s.
mircea_popescu: (how the fuck anyone even marginally conversant in the respective topics manages to wade through the bullshit is anyone's guess. but somehow a concept for group role in evolutionary biology became a brand of identity in "evolutionary biology", and we're all speaking of "alphas" and "betas" as if these are a thing, a brunette, a beta. i guess in a very postmodern cartoonish sense they are. aanyway.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was actually the part i found to be the puzzler -- who exactly are these.
asciilifeform: there does not seem to be a consistent definition in use.
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, https://triton.quarkslab.com/documentation/doxygen/py_ast_page.html << possibly spiffy, i have not tried
asciilifeform: https://triton.quarkslab.com/documentation/doxygen/solver_interface_page.html << sexpr version
asciilifeform: in other noose, first freight train from china arrives in london, http://tass.ru/ekonomika/3950122 .
ben_vulpes: that feel when your html renders just fine in lynx but chrome makes an unspeakable nightmare of it
asciilifeform: and in yet-other noose, last d00d who walked the moon, reported dead.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which these ?
asciilifeform: 'alphas' etc.
mircea_popescu: well, a whore is the sexually active girl who won't fuck you ; and the alpha is the dude she'll fuck in preference. i'm pretty sure that's the extent of the common ground, ie, the "community" definition.
asciilifeform: 'whore' must mean 'won't fuck you' on some other planet..?
mircea_popescu: well this is altogether another planet.
shinohai: Lol Roger Ver got suspended from reddit
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/user/memorydealers
mircea_popescu: for censorsheep ?
BingoBoingo: Prolly for brigading
shinohai: Doxxing
shinohai: gah doble `x`
mircea_popescu: don't tell me he had a dispute over who's paying for the two slices of pizza with some other captain of industry and ended up going into the blockchain.info admin interface all over again