asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect that it won't 'kill credibility' , it is impossible to kill what's been dead since orig sokal (at the very least!) -- but still lulzy
asciilifeform: these folx live in hermetically sealed parallel universe, that i suspect can only be pierced with bullet and oven
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That thought influenced the title word choice. Can't kill a corpse, but you can still hit it for damage.
asciilifeform: i recently got hold of local uni's 'student newspaper', it apparently consists ~100% by weight nao of 'police report : someone wrote 'nigger' on a whiteboard' .
asciilifeform: 'hate crime investigation'
asciilifeform: week, after week, for sumthing like 3yrs nao
BingoBoingo: My alma maters got that shit going on too
mircea_popescu: the whole thing is basically social payments extension. there's a lot of idle schmuycks who expect to get government freebies under the title of "doing" this crap.
asciilifeform: and they're gettin'
mircea_popescu: point of fact remains -- most zeks not useful in any sense. all zeks would still like to eat. this is the conduit through which they get their foodstamps.
asciilifeform: phood, communal flats ( they can't build'em fast enuff.. ), 'degrees', jerbs, et
asciilifeform: c
trinque: isn't as though they get real food out of it either, just velveeta and fungal breadlike. what's to care about?
mircea_popescu: so the notion that somehow it could be undone by meaning... item exists economically. all the women "liberated" from depending on a male are still just as dependent. much like all the slaves "liberated" from slave owner are just as much slaves.
mircea_popescu: state steps in and surogates.
mircea_popescu: what they "say"... well they ain't sayin' anything. in the great depression lotta folk "listened" in church because only way they'd get the bowl of soup.
mircea_popescu: same exact thing here -- great depression, church, bowl of soup.
mircea_popescu: the notion that the 1920s produced a whole lotta churchgoers is exactly of the same cloth as the notion that the 2000s produced a whole lotta academics, "discourse", "awareness" and what have you.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not as much getting as they used to get. Today the SIU department of Philosophy has 7 faculty members. Since I was there were five promotions to emeritus (some rather young) and at least three other departures. In the intervening decade they have ONE new face on their faculty web page.
mircea_popescu: well of course, this is the problem with government-"solved" problems : the solving produces the problem, and the only available response is to dilute the "solution". homeopathy for the masses!
BingoBoingo: 14 down to 7 in a decade
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is entirely consistent with my observed picture ( the same lost souls auto-enter 'grad school' because otherwise... 'starbucks' + loans called in )
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile a couple journals, a couple "centers of study", and a book series has been reduced to... a book series
mircea_popescu: exactly how the other socialism played out -- by the time 1980 rolled around, there were so many "responsibles" to the worker, there was barely enough bread to go around.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: waiwat?! they actually closed shop ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup. i would expect 2/3 to 4/5ths of all females in the age range to "more education" / "back to school" because very much http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-111.0-111.31 and literally nobody can be arsed to even asked them to suck cock. forget paying for it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes ; the whole "field" has been taking water for decade+.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're at the 'only can be sold for meat' level, i suspect
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i meant, as result of $noose
mircea_popescu: nah. as a result of, no moneys.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They closed shops plural. Apparently the repurposed residential buildings are there, but locked without grad students funded to guard the door.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i found out recently that uni lib's budget is nao something like 70-80% for 'electronic subscriptions'. meanwhile, 3 of 8 floors emptied of boox, and carrying on
asciilifeform: ( no prizes for guessing , subscriptions to what. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a piece re termites.
mod6: ok back
BingoBoingo: Mind that as recently as 2010 one of the centers there had just been inaugurated and the older one was opening satellite facilities at Chinese universities
asciilifeform: incidentally, the 'transgender transracial studies' etc people are the easy marks for laughter, but i see ~0 diff b/w them and what's been coming out of the 'sciences' rags for past 20y
asciilifeform: i.e. unreplicable crapola where one'd have to catch the authors and connect'em to 220v to get the orig data, supposing it existed
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in related lulz, https://image.ibb.co/j6U4UK/feminism.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because the "science" just as much on the dole, and consequently the main reason the "grievances field" (i kinda like the term tbh) even exists.
ben_vulpes tearing personal and foundation iron out of hometown dc, bbl
asciilifeform: i aint particularly surprised, really, errything reversemidas touches turns to shit, not merely some
mircea_popescu: the logic is sound, if you think it through : "we fat sexually worthless females, in a word we the mamies, have the following grievance : back when the clever boys discovered new lands and made train engines, you priviledged them for this reason. now -- they do not. why can't we also have the payola they get ?" "uhm..." "and if you don't like this simple formulation, we can add 10mn words of rephrasings ?" "fuck"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform because the "science" just as much on the dole, and consequently the main reason the "grievances field" (i kinda like the term tbh) even exists. << I didn't realise until today that I am one of the leading indepenent scholars in greviances studies
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but of course. and ( at least at my local shithole ) that forest fire has only just begun -- the 'sciences' still get sumthing like 20x moar payola than the mamies
asciilifeform: and this is eternal 'grievance'
asciilifeform: and i expect will be fixed.
mircea_popescu: as long as "engineering" and computer pseudoscience and tesla and deeply dysfunctional entirely-not-a-chance-in-hell-of-ever-working-why-don't-you-talk-of-hp-anymore "electric" cars get money... on what grounds can you deny it to irigaray and her brood ?
asciilifeform: esp since the 'mamies' are 'red-blooded amurrricans' and the 'sciences' people, largely yellow devils
mircea_popescu: yes ?
mircea_popescu: you see ? it is actually very sensible, in the "common sense" sense of sensibility.
asciilifeform: but of course
mircea_popescu: ask one of the fucktards this, sometime. "hey, mp's bmw has 270 hp under the hood. what's your tesla got ?"
mircea_popescu: because the "oh, we don't DO hp anymore" is definitely coming out.
mircea_popescu: let's take the 2012 tesla s lulz : 581 kW theoretical powerplant ; 100 kWh theoretical battery pack. it's like a bmw with a two ounce tank!!!
mircea_popescu: can go for all of ten minutes.
mircea_popescu: and yet tesla got to pretend it's worth 300 a share ; and 2bn a year spending money out of the "shareholder"'s piggy. where's the mamie with 2bn to spend, i wish to see this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc tesla sux not because lacks 300hp ( iirc they had one with massive motor ) but because costs like 15 of mp's bmw
asciilifeform: and lives for 2y
mircea_popescu: that is precisely what i mean.
mod6: !!withdraw 0.81037277 168AkkaciPGrFFzfSENXAD921mi8W3S3Xv
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GMuFC/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/news-headlines << check it out, nasdaq has a whole "menu" of optiopns, except no fucking way to establish market capitalization ; the only page that'd maybe do it, the (legally mandated, btw) anuyal report, http://www.companyspotlight.com/partner?cp_code=NAS1&ticker=TSLA ... times out.
mircea_popescu: noooo-ooobody knows what this latest groupon burned.
mircea_popescu: in the end, maddoff fucking won.
mircea_popescu: just the insane way that all is organized, 100% DESIGNED to turn the eye towards the scam and away from the actuarial backing. where the fruck is the fucking list of how much stock they sold ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, no, mp, nevermind that, would you like any of these 5 instantaneous made up quote streams ?!?!" "no." "how about the randomized news feed" "fuck off".
mod6: !!v FC3B78FA3E9809F8BD83DED36509209F34CE63EB2ECA1D7BC99A5B810024CD11
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/55JDF/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: "there's a whole list of what people said about the thing you're wanting to see ?" jesus.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; terminal (which hasn't been "updated" to "newest in ux and gui" crap, thankfully) lets us know they have 170,593,000 shares outstanding, not counting warrants and options.
mircea_popescu: the 2bn they burned in 2017 comes out of a ~51bn piggy.
mircea_popescu: now show me the "hypatia" with 50bn endowment.
mod6: !!sent-invoices
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZlrwV/?raw=true
mod6: !!ledger
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BFBf8/?raw=true
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'hypatias' deal in turkeybux ( or , whatever the little termites, 'students', eat in place of turkey ), so perhaps not comparable with the imagibux traded on laughsdaq
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/#selection-81.0-97.26 still stands undisturbed, meanwhile.
asciilifeform does not know the conversion ratio, if it even makes sense to ask for one, how do ya convert metres to litres...
mircea_popescu: well... the laughsdaq endowment still got the chinese to ship some man-sized li batteries over to frisco, yes ?
mircea_popescu: so i'm saying... it's not 0, whatever the actual ratio. and if i concede a 0.1, you're still not gonna produce the 5bn hypatia.
asciilifeform: they're man-sized, but made of lappy cells
mircea_popescu: well of course.
asciilifeform: costs'em ~epsilon
asciilifeform: ( gotta dump those recycled crapples ~somewhere~...)
mircea_popescu: costs whom ? the little yellow men? of course. but the lolzdaq tards still paying for it.
asciilifeform: aa them -- yes
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, the useless castrated boys get 50bn, and the useless fat girls get 50mn. this is the current disparity, if i had to guess.
asciilifeform: but afaik they aint denominated in same unit ?
asciilifeform: how much of the 50b is 'spendable' really
asciilifeform brb,meat
mircea_popescu: who even knows.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-04#1857945 << https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/stock-report 170,593,000 so they say☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-04 00:29 mircea_popescu: https://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/news-headlines << check it out, nasdaq has a whole "menu" of optiopns, except no fucking way to establish market capitalization ; the only page that'd maybe do it, the (legally mandated, btw) anuyal report, http://www.companyspotlight.com/partner?cp_code=NAS1&ticker=TSLA ... times out.
mircea_popescu: a there it is.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the webstyle just infuriates the shit out of me.
mircea_popescu: in random eggogs : the default theme for mp-wp (w/e it is bimbo.club got), the bottom link for comments rss links to http://bimbo.club/?feed=comments-rss2 which is broken ; http://bimbo.club/?feed=comments-rss is the correct endpoint.
mircea_popescu: or no, sorry ... it's just broken. the http://bimbo.club/?feed=comments-rss puts out valiud rss, but it seems it's the article feed.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857870 << sure thing, i'll draft a coupla itams, expect 'em tomorrow.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 23:51 mircea_popescu: hanbot lend the fellows a hand ?
mod6: tyvm hanbot!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we got anything for the s.nsa report ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz ~nobody caresd about, apparently kevin spacey got de-kulakized also ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, one of two to go down for fucking boys
BingoBoingo: Other one was the Asia chick who started it
mircea_popescu: heh
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857792 -> looks good!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 23:26 mircea_popescu: diana_coman asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/#comment-126812
ben_vulpes: mod6: iron safely stowed
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-04#1857985 << financials -- none; conveyor -- tmsr.udp ; ffa to resume once i wrap up keccakizing☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-04 04:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we got anything for the s.nsa report ?
asciilifeform bbl,meat
mod6: ben_vulpes: ack
ave1: diana_coman, I've been running your tester with large package sizes and so far zero errors (everything even stays in order so far).
diana_coman: ave1, good to know, thanks! and yes, it seems that there are few errors under those conditions really: over 1 full week I got less than 0.2% lost
diana_coman: I'm going through the data right now, I plan to publish it + write-up by tomorrow
ave1: cool! as for reference to ethernet packages etc I've found this doument useful: https://www.microchip.com/wwwAppNotes/AppNotes.aspx?appnote=en533903 (see link to the pdf).
mod6: trilema down?
mod6: maybe just me
mod6: ok, nevermind. works!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i figure the rams or what were don't need to be included ; what'd the switch end up costing, you ever figured it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857659 ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 16:28 asciilifeform adds ' asciilifeform-recipe switch ' to next cargo manifest
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: or is it just software ?
asciilifeform: software, but iron will be 100 orcbux per.
mircea_popescu: used or new ?
asciilifeform: new
asciilifeform: it's ye olde octeon.
mircea_popescu: and is the one you ship actually used or new ?
asciilifeform: will be new, they're still in print.
asciilifeform: ( will have to replace internal ssd, that'll be another 25 . )
mircea_popescu: so like (100+25)*1.2 ? or were we doing 10% ?
asciilifeform: so 125 net for new iron.
asciilifeform: i'ma leave the margin to mircea_popescu .
mircea_popescu: yeah but we were using a "standard" figure. what's pizarro charge, i don't recall ? was it 10% ?
asciilifeform: mod6 plox to clarify when you wake up
mod6: Hi, I think we do 20% usually.
mod6: I don't have my notes in front of me though.
mod6: ben_vulpes: ?
mod6: https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-one-tiny-chinese-chip-was-used-to-infiltrate-apple-amazon-us-contractors-report/
mircea_popescu: heh.
mod6: "We chipped some folks"
asciilifeform: mod6: already submitted as qntra lulzcandidate. but whole story lulzy, the chinese folx built a vlsi-bugged filter cap and slipped it into ~errything some time around '14
mod6: Yeah, was some years back it seems.
mircea_popescu: inb4 pantsuit dept of blue farts starts "chinese spies in democratic party" fbi investigation
asciilifeform: somebody oughta have told'em that they oughta bug a ~diode~ instead ; it is not difficult to detect a capacitor that semiconducts inside somewhere ( it'll rectify rf ) .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform someone prolly has.
asciilifeform: i suspect the cap was the 'easy' bug. y'know how when educated folx bug people, they give'em 2-3 'easies', a 'medium' to make the diggers feel 'accomplished' when the find, and the 'actual' bug somewhere entirely else.
mircea_popescu: quite.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if the fishwraps are to be believed, they sat this one down on the BMC bus. so really extra spice on top of the usual bmc lulz.
asciilifeform: ( inject known bitstring into smbus, and e.g. write to arbitrary ram, etc )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, gave a look at eulora log recently ?
mircea_popescu: looks ~exactly like gossipd would.
asciilifeform: nope, but, will nao..
asciilifeform: ugh thing still fulla spamola
mircea_popescu: mno.
mircea_popescu: legitimate comments!
asciilifeform: plox to link ?
mircea_popescu: "but mp, i know who you or mocky are, i don't know these random names!" "so ?" "so the random names are spam" "congratulations of having a wot. now try without."
mircea_popescu: ie, ~exactly what gossipd'd look like.
asciilifeform: aa in the sense of 'what sw rf spectrum loox like without a tuner' lolyes
mircea_popescu: kinda what we're building.
asciilifeform: kinda, but entirely without wot all you'd get is cipherolade
mircea_popescu: no. entirely without rsa all you get is cipherloade. with rsa but with ~not great wot~, what you get is on display currently in eulora log.
asciilifeform: btw, the spam folx finally did their homework, loox like, and copied the algo that was used to murder usenet,
asciilifeform: !#s hipcrime
a111: 4 results for "hipcrime", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hipcrime
asciilifeform: ( the thing where random snippets of actual posts somewhere , rather than pure shannonized )
mircea_popescu: thereby the personal incentive3 to great wot ("but mp... why should i work my ass off and stay up nights to get good ratings from good people?!?!?!") is precisely so as to turn #eulora into #trilema.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ayup.
asciilifeform: funnily also, there's still 0 spam in #asciilifeform , i think they took snapshot of whom-to-spam 1ce and never refreshed
mircea_popescu: imo huge opportunity here for deedbot to swoop in and take over irc, with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850988☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 19:24 mircea_popescu: trinque is this something you'd be interested in doing ? expand deedbot thusly, maybe charge chans a fee ?
mircea_popescu: aaand considering it's been coupla weeks, trinque care to put an eta on it ?
asciilifeform: nao if only somebody other than us still used irc...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform supposedly big deal in this "foss" thing i never heard about. i dunno.
asciilifeform: ( where was that mircea_popescu piece, where mircea_popescu looked for signs of life )
mircea_popescu: jesus the online searchers are utter shit.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-other-dead-things/
mircea_popescu: fuck you, shitsearch webside, INDEX TRILEMA.
asciilifeform: oh hey that was it.
mircea_popescu: there's much less of interest on the whole fucking internet than there, it's the bigger half of the web, none of this shit where i search for dead or freenode and that's not on the results.
mircea_popescu: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Atrilema.com+dead+things&t=ffsb&ia=web << look at this stupid shit.
asciilifeform: the lolcatnet and the thinkingpeoplenet, living in same fabric, is a historic accident, rather like sov communal flats where physics prof lived with a furnace stoker . it's to be corrected.
mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect ~actual~ search doesn't even happen anymore. because heck, page indexing is fucking hard, and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856427☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 14:49 asciilifeform: recall the thread where mircea_popescu observed 'y'know those 'hard' murder cases, where detective sits an' thinks, well guess what , in new york they no longer do that, either obvious suspect or they shelve it nao'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: observe that i was able to index 9.3 mil pgp comment strings somehao, on 1 iron, and with <1s lookup
asciilifeform: indexing ain't actually so hard, but it dun scale to 1e12 nonpaying lolcats
mircea_popescu: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Atrilema.com+%22and+in+other+dead+things%22&t=ffsb&ia=web << check out this lulz.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but that's fixedform, not freeform natlang
asciilifeform: semi-free
asciilifeform: (substring matching with 0 operators)
mircea_popescu: the problem with "web searching" always was this confounding, "there's no definition of page"
mircea_popescu: eg, if everyone was on mp-wp, degree of magnitude cheaper search
asciilifeform: the moar fundamental problem is that 99.999....+% of the material is sewage
mircea_popescu: (which yes is contemplated here -- have republican blog search engine, dedicated.)
asciilifeform: and yes if errybody agreed on a sane canonical text format, and actually exported that, search becomes ~trivial
mircea_popescu: ikr.
asciilifeform: the pre-timberniers-tardation 'let's build a web' folx, understood this
mircea_popescu: "but people want to be free!!!" "no fucktard, gas wants to be free. people want to make sense."
mircea_popescu: "how come i don't, then !?" "three guesses."
mircea_popescu: nobody ever fucking thinks about this, all the "oh, authoritarian irrespirable atmosphere at home!!!" complains never go along the lines of "but daddy, i want to be free, stuff omlet in my ear and piss out the nose!" "what are you, some kind of moron ?!" ; instead they always go along the lines of "but daddy, you're not making any fucking sense!" "shut up!"
mircea_popescu: then they come with the "solution" to the not-making-sense problem by implementing "freedom", and sure enough there's idiots down the line wanting to stuff omlet in ear and piss out nose and be "transnourishal".
mircea_popescu: freedom was never the fucking problem.
asciilifeform: fleadom.
asciilifeform: 'hey kiddo, how come you dun wanna set yer small intestines free ?! they want to explore world too! in their fly form'
mircea_popescu: even before the obvious "my slaves have 0 problem with no freedom, but just try and not make sense", nobody fucking ever had a problem with freedom ~as such~, because it's not fucking possible. because http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-05#1188784☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-07-05 22:31 mircea_popescu: if that 1% doesn't feel the state like a glove, the state's gone. kinda like my ancient "the state may exist inasmuch as and for as long as i can't tell it's there."
mircea_popescu: (the "ancient" referenced there being http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/#selection-155.0-155.557 ftr)
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy how june 2014 gets to count as ancient in my head some point on or about july 2015. year-and-a-month!
mircea_popescu: (in fairness, pretty sure it's also stated in romanian, which is what that "ancient" really denotes, but anyways.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, did i ever ask you what's "loper" supposed to denote ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a critter in an old b00k : http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-03#601590☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-04-03 13:30 asciilifeform: truffles: it was a minor subplot. they find these critters on jupiter, living in the gas, and decide to study them. by building a machine which transforms people into them, so they can see what their life is like. and then, for years, no one returns to be converted back. eventually one fellow comes back. and tells how much more fun it is than being human. end result: mankind vanishes, converted to lopers.
mircea_popescu: haha. nice.
asciilifeform: clifford simak's 'city' .
mircea_popescu: i can't remember wtf "truffles" was.
mircea_popescu: is this early nubbins ?
asciilifeform: some dark ages d00d
asciilifeform: dun think he was nubbins, but who the fuq knows
asciilifeform: !!reputation truffles
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wBzEy/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-03#601545 << o.O☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-04-03 13:23 chetty: well perhaps none of us will live long enough to see the next centralization
asciilifeform: !#born truffles
a111: 2013-02-05 <truffles> why would illumi's be interested in bitcoin though
a111: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-02-05#-138059
asciilifeform: !#seen truffles
a111: 2014-09-10 <truffles> it bugs me when i dont resolve things..
asciilifeform: short life.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-03#601577☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-04-03 13:28 mircea_popescu: the point was never to agree. the point was to disagree well.
mircea_popescu: what a day that was, april 3rd 2014.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-03#601593☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-04-03 13:30 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/8af209a669c2530419926ed6f84527a6/tumblr_mk7vm9TzcU1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: oh hey, finally a heathnlink that doesn't die in ~months
mircea_popescu: kinda why i even used tumblr. afaik the most stable of the heathentrons.
asciilifeform: well, stable until whatever's left of 'yahoo' finally gives up ghost
asciilifeform: ( one of those surprisingly long-lived chumpatrons )
mircea_popescu: im sure it'll be "bought" because "valuable assets" etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, naked pics outliving in the public sphere the woman pictured seems morally dubious, exactly in the vein of old margo channing acting a "25 yo, age's unimportant -- [AS LONG AS SHES TWENTYSOMETHING!!!]".
asciilifeform: bought already iirc a coupla times. eventually will go to same glue factory as 'livejournal' etc
mircea_popescu: let the new hussies redo the old forms in their own flesh.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/#comment-126814 << my puzzlement is in re the item where you're still using keccak as a crc
mircea_popescu: in random lulz, https://www.glamour.com/story/men-metoo-survey-glamour-gq
asciilifeform: or did the spec miss mentioning that it's keccak(userkey + serversecret) -> 32bits id
mircea_popescu: (more of the same old "omfg nobody gives a shit about our inconsequential nappy headed ho club ?!?!?!?!")
mircea_popescu: no cause to mention it, seeing how it's not in the protocol, it's server side
asciilifeform: ( and it it's a mere 32bit, still seems possible for enemy to create collisions but registering 1e12 accounts and waiting for the desired 32bit id )
asciilifeform: *by registering
mircea_popescu: client only ever repeats ids the server produces, see. server says "here's the tree of nodes" and client may ask "what is X node"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cool, i get 1e12 accounts! what's a collision do iyo ?
asciilifeform: i don't specifically know, will depend on how it's used in the box neh
asciilifeform: if answer is 'nuffin', would like to grasp why
mircea_popescu: idea is that if collision happens ~in same client~, then can have some unexpected behaviour.
asciilifeform: imho 32b is rather short for anyffing that you want to be unique, even without enemies
asciilifeform: (even for addr space of pc, observe)
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-september-2018-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), September 2018 Statement
asciilifeform: oh hey
mircea_popescu: how thge hell is a client gonna hold 1bn items ?
asciilifeform: 4B lol
asciilifeform: but dunno. if dun need to , then prolly suffices.
asciilifeform: recall birthday theorem, tho, you'll get ~certain collisions at <1% of this iirc
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the storage's limited at iirc 200 items per category, and you can carry a further 90 or so, and well... so there's gonna be 100mn bits of flotsam out in the world ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think so.
asciilifeform doesn't know the game board well enuff to comment meaningfully at this level, so will leave it at this
mircea_popescu: understand, i can readily make it 256 bytes, why not, i hold the hand that holds the pen.
mircea_popescu: but for every byte i add, ALL packets henceforth carry it.
asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: afaik using keccak for the 32 doesn't actually win anyffing over crc32 tho
BingoBoingo: I return from a local IT business networking event. Admission and pizza were free. Everyone else was either a full stack developer who does Machine learning and e-commerce, or independent consultant of unclear purpose
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's simply not specified what the id is.
asciilifeform: 5.2 seems to specify as a keccak output ?
mircea_popescu: a damn.
mircea_popescu: i was thinking of the other one. the file thing. brb fixing. thanks for insisting.
asciilifeform: np
asciilifeform did sit down and 'im'a actually read this thing! nao!'
mircea_popescu: fixed.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i can't remember wtf "truffles" was. << I think you figured it as girlgendered at some point
mircea_popescu: somehow entirely blanked.
mircea_popescu: thinking about the whole it seems http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-04#1857921 is the perfectly sufficient response to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-04#1857986 crapolade : as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-02#1857409 well points out, ALL the whole "lgbt rights" "women's rights" "civil rights" etc crapolade ever was -- A FASHION. it never had more substance than this, girls-deciding-what-hats-to-wear. there's nothing substantial☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-04 00:14 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in related lulz, https://image.ibb.co/j6U4UK/feminism.jpg
a111: Logged on 2018-10-04 05:01 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz ~nobody caresd about, apparently kevin spacey got de-kulakized also ?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-02 18:37 BingoBoingo: Meanwhile from other mines: "I’m active in supporting LGBT causes. My boyfriend recently said that “this whole LGBT thing has gone way too far” and that he’s no longer sure what to think about same-sex marriage, even though he had thought he supported it. Worse, he said that maybe the original civil rights movement went too far, and perhaps businesses should be allowed to racially discriminate if they want to. In fairnes
mircea_popescu: to engage in any of it, at all -- you wouldn't discourse with the girls over the relative merits of pompadours or bangs, notwithstanding the lesser value items in the sack may very well want you to.
mircea_popescu: and, as it happens to all fashions, this one meanwhile became unfashionable.
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-04#1858140 >> for context, 16bit ids in eulora today☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-04 16:33 asciilifeform: imho 32b is rather short for anyffing that you want to be unique, even without enemies
asciilifeform: Mocky: heh. sorta why i was orig reluctant to dig in & comment, i simply dun know enuff about the game mechanics
mircea_popescu: there's nothing less socially acceptable than last season's fashions. hence, the ~only comment on girl-interest crap, from votes to #metoo, would be http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/la-femme-ridicule.jpg
mircea_popescu: ie, "i'm guessing you're still doing that, on the farm ?"
mircea_popescu: and of course any pretense that "but mp, we here at conde nast ARE DOING SCIENCE" straight to http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
deedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/10/04/results-of-testing-udp-take-1/ << Ossasepia - Results of Testing UDP - Take 1
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/china-leveraged-supply-chain-to-own-adversary-computers/ << Qntra - China Leveraged Supply Chain To Own Adversary Computers
asciilifeform: diana_coman: neato
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=40 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/30/2018
diana_coman: asciilifeform, cheers!
BingoBoingo: Re: earlier fashion thread. Turns out farm country is rejecting the ole trend as well http://archive.is/RYM2v >> "are you OK with your psychology "teachers" getting "teaching" materials from this website? Because I'M NOT. My kid will NOT sit thru this [...] itspronouncedmetrosexual.com "
BingoBoingo: ;tl didn't click: Picture of a "Genderbread Man" graphic
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lolwat
BingoBoingo: lolwat indeed
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in trb observatory... http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/trb/10_4_ProcessBlock.txt
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : noad is up to date )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox at your earliest convenience to pgp to asciilifeform your notes re how pizarro exit router was configged... asciilifeform is baking a pilot replacement for subj
asciilifeform: ( and, naturally, it gotta absolutely work 100% before there can be talk of plugging it in.. )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will do
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty
hanbot: here's a question for the forum at large as i'm thinking about the missives on my plate for today: if tbf outreach is a goal, and talking to people a primary avenue of same, given the rocky road to voice in #t these days, should the foundation host its own castle-channel?
mircea_popescu: why ?
hanbot: well, say some journos or whoever want to chat. does talking to the foundation necessitate jumping through the #t voice model hoops?
mircea_popescu: these have the ability to irc that heretofore was magically undiagnosed ?
mircea_popescu: let's not worry about "what if the barn animal starts talking", in the design of the cattle prods.
mircea_popescu: they are what they are, and that is very much not people.
hanbot: ...but if they're very much not people in the sense of it not being worth to craft the item sensibly to minimally accommodate their particular idiocies, why contact them at all, again?
mircea_popescu: the design of the cow holding pen is built around bovine physiology and psychology, not human aesthetic values. because it's made to hold cows.
mircea_popescu: hanbot because the situation in the republic currently includes semi-domestic animals running all over the place, and in the process threatening the china.
mircea_popescu: i would like the semi-domestic animals domesticated properly, and the china safeguarded. consequently republic gotta make the step up from mongol horde into settled civilisation.
mircea_popescu: this'll not only make for much happier cows, but it'll also permit the purchase of some fine china.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/h9Vk6/?raw=true Let me know what more I can/should do
hanbot: mircea_popescu alright then, hoops it is
mircea_popescu: not at all!
mircea_popescu: i don't expect the cows to sit on couches as a resul;t of this.
mircea_popescu: give them emal and phones and telepheric or w./e the fuck they use.
mircea_popescu: cow holding pen has cow-facing plating on the inside. yes ? you ever seen one ?
mircea_popescu: it doesn't look like your house. it looks like a cow's house.
hanbot: ahaha, okay. i haven't seen the inside of a cow holding pen, no, fancy that.
mircea_popescu: it's built exclusively out of building blocks familiar to the cow and recognizable by it.
BingoBoingo: Well, that and walls to keep it from threatening the china
hanbot: anyway i suppose i oughta use your bimbo's contact info then, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: but not zek-walls, ie, colored cardboard. cow-walls.
hanbot: can be a sorta moiety-lite
mircea_popescu: hanbot if the republic requires...
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, black girl uninspiredly picked the nick "sashalotus".
mircea_popescu: ain't even fat.
mircea_popescu: hanbot in any case, teh days of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-21#571597 are long behind. there's no need to further the pretense that pantsuit jewry enjoys personhood. it eminently does not.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-03-21 13:05 ReutersEmily: Oh so glad you are here mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: !#born SudsyForce
a111: 2013-03-01 <SudsyForce> http://i.imgur.com/81Jun1Q.jpg
a111: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-03-01#-103923
mircea_popescu: da fuck was this then
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: got it. sadly i'ma have to rtfm, i am not deep expert in subj
mircea_popescu: phf http://btcbase.org/log/2013-03-01#-103915 << listen, how could this page possibly be 65.5k lines long ?!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2013-03-01 22:30 SudsyForce: Two slave brothers, one black, one an albino, discover a treasure map which is taken from them by their foreman. They take it back but are pursued by the foreman. Originally, the foreman seeks the aid of two bounty hunters who pursue the protagonists throughout the film. At the end, both the foreman and the bounty hunters catch up with the two escaped slaves, and the foreman has a change of heart, helping to kill the bounty hunters.
mircea_popescu: there's something amiss here neh ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's got negative indices, too
asciilifeform: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2013-03-01#-41827☝︎
a111: Logged on 2013-03-01 05:35 KRS1: yeah..wasnt always like that
mircea_popescu: i just... i don;'t recall days that huge, ever.
asciilifeform: or hrm possibly ~those~ aint a bug
asciilifeform: they happen when pre-dragon iirc
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i was looking for is our discussion of the old republic wrecking that was the "fugitive slaves act". you got link ?
asciilifeform: hmmm
asciilifeform: may have been in a trilema
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2018/why-african-americans-can-never-excel-at-anything-relative-to-the-white-majority-they-cant-be-the-smartest-nor-the-poorest-nor-the-best-nor-the-neediest-nor-the-anything-else-est-not-ever/#comment-125079
mircea_popescu: o o!
mircea_popescu: tyvm
asciilifeform: np
mircea_popescu: i got the perfect monture supporting your summary, coming out in a few hours.
asciilifeform: pantsuit 'historians' naturally paint it as 'eeeevil southern expansion', noshit