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decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2014#822058 < and often a 'populist' megalomaniac ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2014 20:39:31; decimation: no, but my point is that destroying the structure of power typically empowers some megalomaniac to step in and fix things
decimation: I was thinking about this for awhile today, and about what would have happened if hitler had stopped with poland and consolidated power
decimation: it's pretty likely we would have germany+us+ussr today, or at least they would have been a 'triumvirate' during the cold war
decimation: mod6: did you try removing that line from the makefile.unix that reference the empty dir?
mod6: there's a bunch of lines that reference it actually, and no, i was hoping to get rid of these barnacles without having to change other files.
decimation: I suspect you are gonna need a shell script, like ascii suggested.
mircea_popescu: decimation dubiuous one could have "consolidated". that's what the soviet union tried. it collapsed. that's what the eu tried. it's collapsing.
mod6: yeah. well, i think i'll just prune by hand if I do at all. like i was saying earlier, im a bit paranoid now that some script might later accidentially remove the dirs if they're rendered empty.
mircea_popescu: once the war machine stops, all the fringe cocksuckers congeal.
mircea_popescu: the only way poland was worth holding for germany is if they were going into the ukraine. and ukraine in turn, going to moscow. etc.
mod6: gonna have to test prune by hand, and then test and ensure that these empty dirs will persist indifiniately.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, on their own merits, nobody wants to hold the lands of orcs.
mod6: *indefiniately
mircea_popescu: indefinitely ?
mod6: yah that :]
mircea_popescu: :)
decimation: mircea_popescu: alright, perhaps the sudetenland (sorry jurov)
mod6: don't challenge me to a spelling contest, i'll lose.
mircea_popescu: so a slightly larger germany. still no different from the previous situation.
mircea_popescu: as hitler correctly figured out (and plainly said so) , the only future of germany as a nation lay in the destruiction of britain as an empire.
decimation: yeah, but the main point is that hitler was a populist dictator who actually delievered on his promises to a great degree
mircea_popescu: this turned out to be more expensive than originally thought, but it was done neverthjeless.
mircea_popescu: mno. the notion that hitler was populist is akin to the notion that obama is democratic.
mircea_popescu: sure, the turdmeisters in charge of the herd sell it thus.
mircea_popescu: they'd sell it any other way, makes no difference.
mircea_popescu: they put butter in blue or red or yellow packaging according to what the focus group says. you think butter is "red" ? butter is butter.
mircea_popescu: nobody yet stopped to consider "the real color of butter" for packaging purposes afaik,
decimation: all that might be true, but the nazi platform appeared to mostly be "give to the people all the things" (minus jews, foreigners, etc)
mircea_popescu: you can quote chapter and verse for this notion or are merely relying on what us agitprop and clueless derps like that mcdowell woman in that eddie murphy movie told you ?
decimation: umm, our discussion about this a few nights ago? http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/17/turns-out-you-wanted-hitler-after-all/
assbot: Turns out you wanted Hitler after all. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1fgZ1XL )
mircea_popescu: (great film btw, murphy is the heir to the throne of zamunda, pursues some ugly nigglet in queens. who doesn't like him because he's rich, and to their assheads at the time in the 80s this is a flaw)_
decimation: "7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from the Reich."
decimation: "9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties."
mircea_popescu: still a stretch neh ?
decimation: "
decimation: 13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
decimation: 14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
decimation: what about hitler is 'against populism'?
mircea_popescu: fuhrerprinzip, for one.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall any sort of voting being held on when to attack, soviet style.
mircea_popescu: not that the guy is pointedly "against populism", admitting for the sake of argument that tyhe concept even holds meaning outside of its proper reference (it is after all a notion of democracy). but then again the bar for "not being x" is not "being patently against x"
mircea_popescu: ("you don't love me anymore" "sure i do" "prove it" "fuck you.")
mircea_popescu: s/fuck you/you made the statement, you prove it/ for any unschooled gals in the audience.
decimation: it's a fair point, he probably didn't believe it in his heart of hearts
mircea_popescu: he didn't act in a supportive manner throughout.
decimation: at any rate, my original point is that it would have been interesting to see german v. the world in an economic war rather than military
decimation: after all, britian capitulated rather quickly to us demands for it to 'decolonize'
mircea_popescu: specifically re 13 : if isis submits a bid to buy out raytheon, this proposal will not go to the shareholders. it will go to a so called "anti trust regulator" or w/e, which will reject it.
mircea_popescu: this is not populism, this is plain old nationalism.
mircea_popescu: only because germany was feigning death at the time.
mircea_popescu: and because exhausted by a decade of war etc
mircea_popescu: otherwise, see orwell : london in 1930 was entering its second decade of pretending ww1 never happenbed anmd "britannia forever"
decimation: yes that's true, also see this http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/what-im-re-reading-2/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1fgZR6T )
mircea_popescu: anyway, zee germans have gained a very petty habit of being miserable to the people they owe gratitude to. no hitler statues, put that kohl fellow in jail...
mircea_popescu: then they sprout cheeky teenagers with "nordic system" delusions. won't fill the void.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206406 << dun be hatin' on ma control panels! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 19:09:25; decimation: also, I don't know what the 'web 2.0' thing he posted a picture of is? is that some kind of dns control panel?
decimation: hehe jurov explained it
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206415 << gotta get teh ips somehow neh. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 19:16:30; decimation: the amusing thing to me is that the 'ddos cannon' is using dns
decimation: yeah, and your 'gambit' confirmed that they do strictly this
decimation: which is valuable to know
mircea_popescu: many things valuable.
mircea_popescu: nuked the parody site rightr off the net, but wh stands.
mircea_popescu: i think they spent a coupla million real dollars on that gateway
mircea_popescu: god only knows what the bill actually was.
decimation: which one? the akamai host you linked?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206424 << he has a point there. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 19:25:34; jurov: and routers verifying sigs for 1e6 packets/sec , rly?
mircea_popescu: decimation is 23.45.18.92 akamai ?
mircea_popescu: heh so it is.
decimation: 92.18.45.23.in-addr.arpa. 300INPTRa23-45-18-92.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com.
mircea_popescu: well that makes sense then. i was impressed originally.
decimation: which is why it didn't go down, they did spend $x mil, possibly $bil
mircea_popescu: anyway, all this is (as you prolly expect it from shit i do) very much experimental. trying to actually make a site where users can safely use their ips.
mircea_popescu: kinda informative attempt.
decimation: https://blog.cloudflare.com/a-brief-anycast-primer/ < cloudflare describes how they do it
assbot: A Brief Primer on Anycast ... ( http://bit.ly/1fh0oG0 )
decimation: they carefully craft routing tables with all their peers so that they can have multiple hosts with the same ip
mircea_popescu: "But fresh data show that top schools are turning out black and Hispanic graduates with tech degrees at rates significantly higher than they are being hired by leading tech firms.
mircea_popescu: Last year, black students took home 4.1 percent of the bachelor’s degrees in computer science"
mircea_popescu: you gotta be shitting me.
mircea_popescu: they took 4% last year and are in the workforce at 2% ?
mircea_popescu: this is OVERREPRESENTED.
decimation: heh
decimation: not to the shakedown artists
mircea_popescu: whole fucking country is by now the United Republic of Blackmail.
decimation: except, nobody seems to blackmail microsoft for pumping out shit
mircea_popescu: anwyay, the notion that google hires derps with degrees is news to me. i thought nobody got to finish his degree because hired in 3rd year. ☟︎
decimation: maybe in their young and dumb days, but now they are legendary for their pickiness
decimation: all of the testing amounts to 'unofficial iq tests', as far as I can tell
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206433 << you're not gonna have "hdtv" on your thing. not that i mind. i wish they stopped making movies over 700mb. you REALLY do not need more than that for an hour of whatever ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 19:26:46; asciilifeform: SIGNATURE IN EVERY MOTHERFUCKING PACKET
mircea_popescu: decimation this was the pickiness.
mircea_popescu: "can't afford to not hire this guy now and have him hired by someone later".
mircea_popescu: sort-of like nobody hires 21 yo athletes as entry level.
decimation: heh now the 'movie industry' is going to 4k (3840 x 2160) 3D - in hopes they can hold off piracy, would be my guess
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206443 << crypto is moving bits. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 19:28:54; jurov: of course, but cisco just moves bits and does not do crypto
mircea_popescu: more like in hopes that social relevancy is tied to "technological advancement".
mircea_popescu: except there is such a thing as spurious detail.
trinque: see: 4k porn
decimation: indeed. my experience is not enhanced by watching the individual whiskars on gandolf's beard
mircea_popescu: moving from asciiart tits to 500kb gifs was a great reason to ditch the diskette and put in a cdrom
mircea_popescu: moving from 2mb gifs to 600mb .avis was a great reason to ditch the cdrom get a dvd
decimation: in fact, there's a point where it hits an 'uncanny valley' and you realize it's all a set with fake shit everywhere
mircea_popescu: but past that... who the fuck cares. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yup.
trinque: asciilifeform: got elephant working with postgresql, wasn't too bad
trinque: barfed on berkdb so I skipped it
decimation: which is why 24 fps in a dark room worked for 100 years
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206472 << not that much bw, just shitty packets. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 19:35:33; jurov: dear decimation these ddoses have tens or hundreds gigabits... and not with 1500 byt packets
decimation: very few providers in the world could even measure 100 gbs ddos
mircea_popescu: 1Mpps has been seen, so... yeah routing over wot will not be a trivial problem. but it does have a trivial solution :
mircea_popescu: only route for peers in your own network.
mircea_popescu: this will make "most of the web" inaccessible to "most people", but only if we measure "most" linearily.
decimation: note that this kinda implies you are building your own network, not using some else's ip routing
mircea_popescu: otherwise, all the web that matters will be visible to all the people who matter.
mircea_popescu: decimation just auto-drop any packets coming from unknown host.
mircea_popescu: you know those hops in the traceroute ? well... the assumption is that they'll just take a packet.
mircea_popescu: this needn't be true.
mircea_popescu: exactly how it works here : we have a public slut (ie, gribble) who will convey a message to anyone, and who can trivially be silenced. otherwise, suppose unknown asks you to convey message to me. well ? why would you.
decimation: yeah I get it
decimation: but how do I plug into this network?
decimation: I doubt comcast will peer directly
mircea_popescu: if you need to ask we do not want to see you.
mircea_popescu: it could trivially work on existing infrastructure really. the ability to ddos only exists on some ports and in some circumstances as it is, because that's what the derps use.
decimation: that was kinda my point about the 'charging per route'
mircea_popescu: server that rejects requests on 80 etc is way harder all of a sudden
decimation: you pay 10 satoshi, get 1e6 packets
mircea_popescu: you don't even need to charge per se. just, PEER. as in, actually.
mircea_popescu: none of this bs "every one walking is my peer".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3439 @ 0.00055141 = 1.8963 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: yeah but that still implies physical connection
mircea_popescu: why ?
decimation: someone is gonna have to be in the middle, who may or may not route packets at their pleasure
mircea_popescu: you discard what they route anyway.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39323 @ 0.00058395 = 22.9627 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: yes but what if two wot members are peered through several untrusted hosts?
mircea_popescu: what if ?
decimation: the 'untrusted' routers implictly veto packet routing
decimation: or have the power to do so anyway
mircea_popescu: you drop all traffic except port 1337 and check sigs for that so as to only forward stuff to your own peers that they accept.
mircea_popescu: i dun see how they do anything. either they maintain compliance with tcp/ip spec as is, in which case they do nothing
mircea_popescu: or they break it, in which case they kill themselves but we still don't care (for the same reason original internet was robuts - rerouting)
decimation: or, they choose to null route only your stuff
mircea_popescu: that is like suicide for them
mircea_popescu: go ahead, i deeply care.
decimation: how you gonna send anything then?
mircea_popescu: what's next, power rangers will hurt the bitrcoin foundation by not releasing further crap ?
trinque: point would be to define your own network layer, then have multiple transports over which it may be routed
mircea_popescu: this notion that infrastructure has power is ludicrous.
mircea_popescu: you seriously proposing the internet just goes away ? ☟︎
trinque: as said the existing internet does very much the same thing
ben_vulpes: <decimation> boost compiles fine with macports << i'm a homebrew dood. perhaps this is wrong?
decimation: isn't that exactly what 'ddos protection' and 'spam protect' do?
mircea_popescu: not as far as i see it.
decimation: ben_vulpes: homebrew seemed lame, but I haven't used it much
ben_vulpes: decimation: do you use macports regularly?
decimation: mircea_popescu: okay, suppose your favorite isp null routes your packets (kills your contract)
mircea_popescu: but the very basic "all plaintext email is spam, throw it out" rule would do that.
decimation: who are you gonna use now?
mircea_popescu: im going to sue them, because we have a contract.
decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah I've used it for years now
mircea_popescu: which they have to execute.
decimation: yeah it's a fair point
decimation: if you are in a datacenter you might get this level of service
mircea_popescu: and if they refuse to sign a contract, im going to sue them for refusing to sign a contract, which thewy actually have to do being a de facto monopoluy
mircea_popescu: and if they aren't, im going to use the competition.
mircea_popescu: and so on.
decimation: sure, in most non-orc places alternatives exist
mircea_popescu: there is no requirement the us must remain connected.
trinque: I really don't think not having a b-a satellite network should preclude getting started on gossipd
trinque: heh
trinque: just build it such that it'll work on that too
mircea_popescu: considering what sats cost these days...
decimation: ben_vulpes: I tried to compile the 1.55.0 boost on macports and it didn't work
trinque: well hell, if you're buying :D
decimation: it does compile 1.58 with clang though
decimation: for some reason the final link didn't work with bitcoind, gonna do some more research
ben_vulpes: i suppose that i'm pretty dumb for just downloading the source and expecting that i'll be able to compile it, huh?
decimation: mircea_popescu: sats are getting cheaper, but doing a 'multipoint sat constellation' is still going to be $$$$$
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206499 << pretty much. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 19:43:32; phf: it's more fidonet with crypto handshakes
ben_vulpes: ;;seen artifexd
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 32 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
decimation: ^ and a small leo 'store-and-forward' would be cheap
decimation: ben_vulpes: like the stator source?
decimation: I tried that, didn't work on 10.6.8
mircea_popescu: decimation mp's law! when i was born, the first satellite had just cost a fortune. by the time i had my first threesome, they were doing consumer phone via satellite. as i made my self billion, fucing romania launched a satellite on a shoestring budget.
mircea_popescu: before i die i'm going to be farting satellites. ☟︎
decimation: well, there's a whole movement of 'get space to the people'
ben_vulpes: i thought up an http-auth thing recently: http request headers containing a signed hash of one of the last 2 blocks
ben_vulpes: (signed by a customer or allowed user or someone the service provider likes)
mircea_popescu: why signed ?
mircea_popescu: so like the most ellaborate nonce ever ?
ben_vulpes: vulnerable to a bit of replay
ben_vulpes: mwell point is to gate access to an api without relying on tls
ben_vulpes: or broadcasting credentials in the clear ala http-basic auth
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206513 << i didn't pour that spec in concrete. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 19:46:27; asciilifeform: again, it wasn't in mircea_popescu's spec
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1206831 << mno. that's 'dotcom boom' sop. today - no one without 'straight a' marks is considered, etc. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 00:30:21; mircea_popescu: anwyay, the notion that google hires derps with degrees is news to me. i thought nobody got to finish his degree because hired in 3rd year.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but they've also stopped doing anything
mircea_popescu: when's the last time google had a product ?
trinque: I thought they only killed ones they purchased
ben_vulpes: oh get real asciilifeform google facebook and amazon were all chasing my dumb ass at one point and i never had good grades and definitely never finished kawledge ☟︎
mircea_popescu: they're still living off fucking google ads. which work about as good as an ant blowjob. since then, endless string of failures, briefcase, glass, g+ you name it
mircea_popescu: the mark cubanization of google.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: let us not forget "Inbox" or w/e
trinque: ben_vulpes: isn't that something they purchased?
mircea_popescu: actually briefcase was yahoo i guess, the "media company"
decimation: asciilifeform: tonight for dinner I had 'riga' sprat and rye bread (berliner broet)
mircea_popescu: o hey, delicious.
ben_vulpes: no, apple purchased the only decent mail application for ios to preserve their mailnopoly
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ios mail still sucks.
trinque: ben_vulpes: http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/20/3172222/google-buys-sparrow-mail
assbot: Google buys Sparrow, current apps will not get any new features | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdaDs6 )
trinque: could've been descended from that.
ben_vulpes: because while they can mandate webkit as browser they cannot
decimation: ios mail won't 'push' from gmail servers
ben_vulpes: oh hey it was google
ben_vulpes: my b
trinque: there were a few, apple might've too
ben_vulpes: heh yeah that's right
trinque: dropbox bought "mailbox"
ben_vulpes: my read at the time was "google is raping apple's mail experience"
ben_vulpes: ^^ mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: i know ios mail is bad.
decimation: yeah, still are apparently
ben_vulpes: i use the gmail application.
decimation: and everyone uses gmail because spam
decimation: it's a 'baptists and bootleggers' situation
mircea_popescu: i don't use gmail and don't have a spam problem. but hey.
ben_vulpes: it, unlike Mail™, sort of works.
ben_vulpes: the touchscreen however is an unredeemable text input device.
mircea_popescu: ^
ben_vulpes: because text is not simply an 'input' problem.
mircea_popescu: "srsly, where's the macro on this thing" "the what ?"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1206934 << one of those things that cannot continue. useful orbits are already very crowded (mainly with garbage.) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 00:49:30; mircea_popescu: before i die i'm going to be farting satellites.
ben_vulpes: but more precisely a 'transformation' thing.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i will build the garbage scows.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda why space war is inevitable. i see no problem shooting everything else out of orbit to fart my own
ben_vulpes: there are a million ways to pull debris out of orbit. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: cloud of water
mircea_popescu: oh srsly, oprah can not be broacast anymore now ? bwahahaha mkayt.
ben_vulpes: (for one)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1206950 << you clearly did not actually go to the arse chaser and ask for a job ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 00:52:11; ben_vulpes: oh get real asciilifeform google facebook and amazon were all chasing my dumb ass at one point and i never had good grades and definitely never finished kawledge
ben_vulpes: Fe shrapnel
asciilifeform: they chase everyone with a pulse
asciilifeform: hire - the brahmins
decimation: to me the solution to spam is "pay me to read your email in bitcoin"
trinque: just don't accept every soiled napkin as mail
trinque: and done
ben_vulpes: b-a mailservers when
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1206988 << go, pull ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 00:56:25; ben_vulpes: there are a million ways to pull debris out of orbit.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what did you think dpaste was.
decimation: the stuff below a few hundred km is okay, because it is 'swept' by atmosphere
ben_vulpes: ad hoc bug ridden implementation of half of smtp
asciilifeform: uncle al's orbit-sweeper shotgun is only a matter of time.
decimation: but you need some method of keeping orbit to maintain
mircea_popescu: seems great to me. what's the problem with it ?
trinque: so. seriously. what's the story with artifexd ?
ben_vulpes: trinque: don't bite off gossipd man
mircea_popescu: ;;seen artifexd
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 42 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
mircea_popescu: trinque guy seemed to be seriously working on it, was gonna say something in a coupla weeks a quarter ago.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell artifexd yo!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: this is probably where i confess that ~my~ gossipd is nearly done...
trinque: maybe he is, would just like to hear
trinque: asciilifeform: !!
ben_vulpes: he of many hands
mircea_popescu: but yes, gossipd is the huge sort of project that looks like it'd benefit from a few failure reports from failed attempts before we seriously have a shot.
asciilifeform: hey i started before you folks got hot & bothered
trinque: ben_vulpes: no kidding right?
mircea_popescu: not just because of stuff like the above asciilifeform comment, but also because well... huge.
ben_vulpes: trinque: i think he actually has employees
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes maybe HE is the one with slavegirls.
asciilifeform: l0lz
ben_vulpes: aha yes actually this makes sense
ben_vulpes: 'pet' has read knr
mircea_popescu: prolly has 588 of them, all the same height, wearing the same mask
decimation: asciilifeform: when buying from the german baker, I commented how my coworkers mock my sprat eating habits. her reply "always with the chicken this, chicken that"
mircea_popescu: bwahaha
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that vacuum-packed babe was p lulzy
asciilifeform: decimation reminds me, i gotta resprat
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: attended another costco today ☟︎
decimation: 'riga' is definitely smokey, I like it, but 'king oskar' is good too (unsmoked)
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/c021a1191d8153f73ba1b27bcd9fb28c/tumblr_n5xmsiNmjE1tulo74o5_400.gif << competence and ridiculously infantile tits.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdbCbZ )
ben_vulpes: did not get ID'd
asciilifeform checks larder, notices a full clip of sprats. pet must have bought a bunch
ben_vulpes: i think everyone can smell your perma-lsd-trip.
decimation: it is weird how most usians are biased against fish in a tin
asciilifeform: decimation: i've yet to locate a supplier for unsmoked
decimation: or fish in general
trinque: decimation: I'll eat it
trinque: happen to like sardines
asciilifeform: decimation: in usa, 'fish in tin' typically means cheap tuna, and one notch above what is fed to cat
asciilifeform: (if that)
asciilifeform: to the point where ru immigrants sometimes are found to have lived on 'cat feed' for months
mircea_popescu: !up DanielBTC
ben_vulpes: (anyways, if anyone cares to poke holes in my proposed ghetto wot httpauthentication mechanism, plz do)
asciilifeform: without being even slightly aware of what it was for
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm still snarfing up the log
asciilifeform: was out, swimming
decimation: asciilifeform: these are usually available in the us (safeway?) http://www.kingoscar.com/products-by-market/usa/usa-sardines/brisling-sardines-in-olive-oil-5.html
assbot: brisling sardines in olive oil » KING OSCAR – THE BEST SEAFOOD IN THE WORLD ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdbMQl )
ben_vulpes: and i snorkeling!
decimation: they sell them as 'brisling sardines' but they are sprat - I am certain of this
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: the sprat IS a sardine. that's what they're called in english.
asciilifeform: apparently not quite
decimation: it turns out there's many kinds of 'sardine'
asciilifeform: 'sardine' is a dish
asciilifeform: can be made from more than one animal
mircea_popescu: sprattus sprattus. that's what it is, the brisling
decimation: yes exactly
decimation: but they are sold as sardines in the us because they haven't heard of 'sprat'
mircea_popescu: no dood, sardine is a fish lol
mircea_popescu: you mean sardine' with an accent ?
asciilifeform: a dozen species
asciilifeform: are sold as 'sardine'
mircea_popescu: well sure.
asciilifeform: sprattus is one.
decimation: it's actually almost impossible to tell exactly what kind of fish you are eating in the us
decimation: and from whence it comes
asciilifeform: at some point it will be possible to tell - with a geiger.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, did we ever discuss what zacusca ended up in romanian ?
ben_vulpes: one of the nicer things about hawaii is the plentify ahi
ben_vulpes: plentiful*
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: закуска ?
mircea_popescu: ya.
decimation: yeah hawaii has the best sushi I've eaten
decimation: especially in honolulu where they cater to rich japanese
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: original ru is, roughly, 'snack you eat when boozing it up'
asciilifeform: and in ro, i presume, means something other ?
mircea_popescu: yes. in romanian is this very specific, traditionally canned vegetable paste
PeterL: So I've been thinking about the mempool: There should be a size limit set in the config for mempool, along with the minFee. Each txn gets scored based on age of coins, amount in txn, size of txn, and fee, etc, once the size limit is reached if a txn does not meet the lowest ranking it is ignored, if it does then the lowest ranked txn is ejected to make space, and every once in a while the oldest and highest ranking txns in the mempool are rebroa
PeterL: to make sure they get included eventually in a block
mircea_popescu: mostly red pepper and baked eggplant
mircea_popescu: o hallo peterl
decimation: for spreading on bread/crackersA?
PeterL: hi
mircea_popescu: decimation quite.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oh ha, we call that dish икра (as in 'caviar', yes, same word)
mircea_popescu: icre, of course, are hanbot's least favourite romanian food.
mircea_popescu: particularly "icre de crap"
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: which yes is a thing.
ben_vulpes: PeterL: you missed the thread where alf pointed out that 'mempool' is not a part of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: PeterL you know your thinking is a nearly exact restatement of what i said last week ?
asciilifeform: PeterL: mircea_popescu had a scheme quite like the one you described
asciilifeform: ^
ben_vulpes: heh
PeterL: oh, must have missed it
PeterL: but what is bitcoin without transactions?
asciilifeform: it is more or less the obvious solution to 'how to keep a public tx pool'
asciilifeform: PeterL: more than one way to get tx from originator to miner
mircea_popescu: granted, i claim no ownersheep.
ben_vulpes: sync and serve mechanisms are vastly more important.
trinque: or more generally stated... "markets work"
mircea_popescu: just thought the guy may enjoy the notion ?D
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asciilifeform: PeterL: can be carried - directly. via pigeon. sailboat.
mircea_popescu: dude stop confusing can and will be. alf can pick up prostitutes in buenos aires, too.
asciilifeform: mempool is by far the weakest link in the chain we have today
PeterL: yeah, but it makes sense to have -some- relay built into reference version
mircea_popescu: via a sailboat.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "can" lol
PeterL: with my scheme, just set the max-size to 0 and it turns the mempool off
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it. sorta like i asked my father, as a small boy, if furniture could speak. answer 'yes, in principle'
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: did i ever recount the joke about practice and theory ?
asciilifeform: hm ?
asciilifeform: (what i meant earlier was that tx only needs to get to the destination - miner. if it cannot get there cheaply and easily, it will get there expensively and painfully. but it will get there.)
mircea_popescu: after reading b-a log for the first time, little gavin schmuckssen went to his father
ben_vulpes: http://cnsnews.com/blog/melanie-hunter/pregnant-wnba-star-asks-20k-month-spousal-support-her-wife << ahahaha child support hits the gays
assbot: Pregnant WNBA Star Asks for $20K a Month Spousal Support from Her Wife | CNS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdcWLL )
mircea_popescu: "daddy, daddy, i heard these mean kids use two unknown words. theory and practice. do you know what is the difference ?"
mircea_popescu: old man schmuckssen calls over his wife. "honey, there's an arab prince at the door, wants to fuck you silly for a million bucks. what should i say to him ?"
mircea_popescu: "well... uhh... i'd never... you know we're behind on the mortgage and that nsa check is late..."
mircea_popescu: old man schmuckssen calls over his daughter
mircea_popescu: "listen dear, the arab prince has a friend. would you..."
mircea_popescu: YES ! YES!!! she cuts him off
mircea_popescu: "see gavin, in theory we're millionaires.
mircea_popescu: in practice, we're stuck with a coupla whores."
asciilifeform: !b 17 ✂︎
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ben_vulpes: <trinque> asciilifeform: got elephant working with postgresql, wasn't too bad << share!
trinque: ben_vulpes: took some very minimal notes, may share when I feel like I know what I'm doing
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: must warn that abstractions don't actually work. that is, the underlying limitations of your db will 'leak out'.
asciilifeform: that is, updates - dog-slow, for example
trinque: yeah, I expect this
asciilifeform: you may get more of 'this' than you expected.
asciilifeform: but otherwise the thing worx.
trinque: this is an experiment to see whether I can transplant my standard patterns of db use to lisp
mircea_popescu: and to round off that joke, i guess : http://41.media.tumblr.com/b9ef786cc8939eb428859b4018f9eade/tumblr_n1q1hy0e411syt00ao1_1280.jpg
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asciilifeform: trinque: so long as you were not expecting to transplant patterns of lisp to db use - you will be reasonably happy with 'elephant'
mircea_popescu: if not that, what is he expecting
mircea_popescu: using packages starting with the letter "e" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: background for thread: 'elephant' is this thing that tries to magick away the fact that db exists, by allowing you to mark an arbitrary lisp data structure as 'persistent' and churning it to db behind the scenes
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: that is, an attempt to simulate 'proper computer' in this specific way.
trinque: I'll admit I got a bit uncomfortable seeing a keyvalue table
trinque: author must've been shy on altering schema
asciilifeform: author was trying to keep dbisms to a minimum.
asciilifeform fucking loathes db and everything connected with the notion
trinque: runs directly contarary to your idea of knowing the cost of an operation
trinque: that "table" could be 100 views deep
asciilifeform: not only
asciilifeform: it is a malignancy - in every way, from forcing me to touch and think about turdlangs, to being chock-full of opaque mechanisms and slow as fuck at its fastest
asciilifeform: and folks come to think that it excuses them from knowing jack shit about data structures and choosing right one for a job
BingoBoingo: <decimation> it's actually almost impossible to tell exactly what kind of fish you are eating in the us << Catching own fish is possible
PeterL: The river running through my town has a "don't eat the fish" rule because of some toxic spill upstream from 20 years ago
trinque: asciilifeform: reasoning with sets and their relationships is why I use the db heavily in work
trinque: I have an inkling of being able to do the same thing in lisp, but you know, grew up in the congo, working on it
ben_vulpes: trinque: have you started reading the statice manual?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1207034 << ben_vulpes is a recent convert to 'costco' ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 01:01:54; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: attended another costco today
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: statice may or may not make sense without access to the live animal
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Recently had some "sour crude" leak from a pipe upstream of our reservoir
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: attended with family who are cult members
ben_vulpes: they were not id'd either
asciilifeform: ah
ben_vulpes: i am however considering a conversion
trinque: ben_vulpes: I have not
asciilifeform: it's roughly a hundy, iirc
asciilifeform: gives you a pass, and one for the woman
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: re statice, what parts wouldn't make sense? the thing is explained in painstaking detail.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: only need one - for the woman
asciilifeform: l0l
ben_vulpes: trinque: go, read. a marvel of technical writing.
trinque: neat
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the symbolics books are a marvel of writing.
ben_vulpes: such as i have not seen in my career to date.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i may yet end up with a set because of this reason.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: they were, iirc, the first hyperlinked manual (one was expected to read them on the machine - but it came with a paper set!)
asciilifeform: i have the paper
ben_vulpes: the covers are also gorgeous.
asciilifeform: it takes up most of a shelf
asciilifeform: was given to me, for phree, even
asciilifeform: by a phriend.
asciilifeform: gave me his 'alpha', too
trinque: asciilifeform: hm I already see your point, maybe, re: data structures
trinque: I get a tree, in a database!
trinque: you know, without parent_id and "with recursive"
trinque: I've done horrible things working with trees in SQL
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/smbxman.jpg << all but the blue (interlisp, xerox) and orange ('chinanual', for the original mit lisp mach)
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IdfABo )
trinque: so now I'm going to grow to like this, and then I'm going to be stuck later wondering why something I've done is slow
asciilifeform: on the real machine, you could actually execute the examples in the docs browser.
trinque: !up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: somebody buy gabriel_laddel a new modem ?
trinque: !up gabriel_laddel
trinque: bueller?
trinque: lol
ben_vulpes: he just got a job writing common lisp
ben_vulpes: fuck him
ben_vulpes: can buy his own damn modem
gabriel_laddel: trinque: lol
gabriel_laddel: trinque: does elephant allow you to redefine classes without restarting?
gabriel_laddel: manardb does everything but that...
ben_vulpes: whoa
ben_vulpes: manardb
gabriel_laddel: supposedly it's fast
trinque: gabriel_laddel: no idea yet; began just now
trinque: lemme see
decimation: ben_vulpes: http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2015/07/19/why-you-should-never-ever-ever-use-mongodb/ < some mongodb hate, made me think of you
trinque: nosql is a fucking sham
trinque: not that sql's great, but every "db" in that whole wave of shit can be forgotten
asciilifeform: ^
ben_vulpes twitches
ben_vulpes: that's triggering decimation
ben_vulpes: plz no bully
asciilifeform: and it is also an interesting case study: what kinds of brokenness produce these waves of 'kids who tried their best' (tm)
asciilifeform: like 'mongo'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lemme guess, you're stuck maintaining one of those things ?
ben_vulpes: was at one time
ben_vulpes: client blew their budget on ie8 css compatibility in a half-assed single page js app
decimation: from my own meatwot, the 'benefit' to mongo is that it can scale, because it 'runs twitter' or some shit
ben_vulpes: dude runs whatever
ben_vulpes: this is always a lie
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ben_vulpes: some engineer somewhere in some corp decides to play with it for a week, people who wrote dumbthing get email of concern from said engineer, decide to advertise as "running bigcorp"
trinque: "JS and JSON, therefore ..." << is the process of "design" that shat all this
decimation: lul apparently mongo is 'most popular' http://db-engines.com/en/ranking/document+store
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decimation: ^ run moar winblows
ben_vulpes: dafuq
ben_vulpes: is
ben_vulpes: a document store
ben_vulpes: you assholes are winding me up deliberately.
asciilifeform: i can usually tell from talking to a fella who programs - for three minutes - whether he's 'seen the elephant'
ben_vulpes has maybe touched the penile bit
asciilifeform: which is to say, in this case, whether he has already had the flash of realization that the shit he is working with sucks because of 'anthropic principle' - that is, if it weren't a crock of shit, he would not have his job...
decimation: asciilifeform: my experience is that much of this kind of thing is only learned by 'tried, fucked me'
trinque: asciilifeform: obligatory reference to fake stroustrup interview
trinque: decimation: yes, I did once choose couchdb when I was 22
trinque: ass still smarts
decimation: actually I did go through the slides on that stroustrup talk
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I met the guy who wrote that. Ugh.
asciilifeform: naggum had a thing re: 'job-creating systems'
trinque: gabriel_laddel: did you punch him in the dick?
decimation: the most amusing bit to me was his little diatribe against garbage collectors
gabriel_laddel: trinque: haha no
gabriel_laddel: me: "lisp makes meta-programming trivial" him: "if it did they'd rule the world already, and therefore I don't have to consider your argument"
ben_vulpes: this is why i don't talk to programmers i don't know about programming.
asciilifeform: 'if yer so smart why aitcha rich'
asciilifeform: (tm) (r)
decimation: stroustrop appears to 'hate' garbage collection because (correctly) hardware fucks him
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decimation: this apparently means 'no garbage collection' not 'no shit hardware'
asciilifeform: he takes the hardware as a given
trinque: he doesn't hate the world enough to say it should change
gabriel_laddel: ;; seen Xemist
gribble: I have not seen Xemist.
ben_vulpes: http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/2010-10/lisp-2010.10.29.txt << grep for MREMAP
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gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: wtf why are you grepping for that.
gabriel_laddel: does manardb not work out of the box?
ben_vulpes: no sir it does not appear to
ben_vulpes: Symbol "MREMAP" not found in the OSICAT-POSIX package.
decimation: http://www.slideshare.net/curryon/bjarne-stroustrupwhatifanythinghavewelearnedfromc < his talk does show the marks of one bruised by reality
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gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: You can "man mremap"?
ben_vulpes: watch this be an os x problem
ben_vulpes: "No manual entry for mremap"
ben_vulpes: hyuuuuuuu
asciilifeform: didn't ben_vulpes get hold of an actual computer at some point recently ?
gabriel_laddel: OSICAT is a unix bindings library, download/build that program, it'll CFFI some stuff and kosher.
gabriel_laddel: ftr, when using manardb you'll have to force it to init on reboot by creating a junk mmap'ed class.
asciilifeform: ~retch~
ben_vulpes: even on macos?
gabriel_laddel: https://github.com/gabriel-laddel/masamune/blob/master/init.lisp#L31
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gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: lolidk prolly
gabriel_laddel: I'm just leaving this in the logs on the off chance someone decides to play around with it.
ben_vulpes: DUDE
ben_vulpes: why can't i have software that works.
gabriel_laddel is working on it, but money, time, lazy etc.
ben_vulpes: i feel like herr popescu with apache and his caching layer
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: because you haven't hardware that works.
asciilifeform: otherwise - could write it.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel, for instance, probably believes that he has 'hardware that works.' just as i did, in 2008
asciilifeform: he does not.
ben_vulpes: okay well trinque gabriel_laddel i give up on this lisp persistence thing
ben_vulpes: i'm writing raw sql in my cl going forward
asciilifeform: after he learns that he doesn't, he will probably come to believe that it can be emulated on hardware which almost works.
trinque: there are a hundred large pieces of software already out in the wild begging to be ripped open by something new
asciilifeform: as i did in 2009.
asciilifeform: it cannot.
trinque: old crufty industries that are not interesting to those trying to advance the art of computer science.
trinque: go kill a few of those and fund your computer
gabriel_laddel: haha, I believe no such thing, but I have to deliver "working" (for some value of that word) software to clients irrespective of how hardware behaves.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: bingo!
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: 'for some value of the word' - you can go do, on microshit, in visual basic, sure.
asciilifeform: i was speaking of ~actually fucking works~
asciilifeform: like the brooklyn bridge works
gabriel_laddel: Or I could use CL, PCLOS, retain my sanity.
asciilifeform: like a colt '45 works
decimation: for example, you can make a syscall and all possible outcomes are foreseen
gabriel_laddel: wat
decimation: if you cannot predict the outcome of a request of the hardware, how can you possibly 'fix it' in software?
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3103356827666810@naggum.no.html << obligatory re: cpp
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phf: my favorite way to do lisp persistence is to just keep everything in memory and do ext:save-lisp from a that does minor amount of saved image management. i learned the trick from avi bryant back when he was writing interesting code
asciilifeform: decimation: hardware can also make certain operations impractically unreliable (e.g., persistence across power toggles) or impractically slow (e.g., all-pointers-are-typed-pointers as on lispm will never happen on x86)
phf: *from a thread
asciilifeform: 'save-lisp-and-die'
phf: yes, but without the instance dying part
ben_vulpes: slad doesn't really address the power toggle thing
asciilifeform: if your working ram is 1) at least as big as your data set 2) connected to own nuke reactor, never loses power - then, great.
ben_vulpes: or lisp instance crashign either, though right?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if your lisp crashes, something is very very wrong in your house
phf: ^
ben_vulpes: hey man i'm a really bad programmer
ben_vulpes: this is such a bold claim!
asciilifeform: i'm a terrible cook. but have never 'crashed' my kitchen yet
ben_vulpes: really? i'm supposed to eat this? that lisp isntances don't crash?
asciilifeform: (it is still standing)
decimation: " I actually think C++ is ideal only for programmers without any ethics.
decimation: you must lie, you are encouraged to declare your private stuff and keep
decimation: the cards very closely to your breast, but if you need access, you just
phf: i've crashed cmucl a few times, but only when i would reach into heap to access vectors directly. acl and lispworks never crash on me
decimation: go ahead and change other people's class definitions. "
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have never succeeded in crashing sbcl, for instance
decimation: lul
gabriel_laddel: it is pretty easy to crash your lisp using CL-OPENGL
asciilifeform: at least, not without doing ffi
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: aha, ffi
decimation: gabriel_laddel: sure, because hardware/drivers fuck you
ben_vulpes: hm
ben_vulpes: what about sharing data structures across many instances?
phf: i think the idea here is that some data loss is way cheaper then programmer time. also memory is way cheaper then programmer time. if you have a really critical data stream, just do a write only log, that you can either replay or even just recover manually
asciilifeform: phf: 'write-only log' is what, paper tape ?
ben_vulpes: you're telling me that i should what...just write code?
trinque: maybe means write ahead log?
phf: asciilifeform: essentially
phf: in my experience it's cheaper to literally go a log file and reconstruct data manually the one time your system crash, then introduce uknowable redundancies that tend to increase complexity and ultimately result in the crash, because doesn't fit in head
asciilifeform: phf: go reconstruct blockchain manually.
asciilifeform: this is ludicrous.
asciilifeform: if it can be done manually, economically, i would not be using a fucking computer !
asciilifeform: the answer is ALWAYS, without exception, fits-in-head+does-not-crash+operates-correctly.
decimation: https://youtu.be/pVgM5RzWMOc?t=15s < paper tape reader
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asciilifeform: if you have something else - you do not have the answer.
trinque: wait a sec
trinque: in elephant I can only "where" on one slot?
trinque: I have to say so far the querying capacity of this thing looks to be on par with couchdb
phf: asciilifeform: that's my answer to. the log is a contingency plan for when the lisp instance fails, which it rarely does. in which case your goal is to reconstruct the state from the time of last save-lisp (say an hour), till the point of crash
phf: the loc on that is in 10s, rather then 1000s + external servers for when your first reaction is to "reach for database"
trinque: I have noticed many times that when someone tries to pry the relational model from my hands, I lose behavior and am then told "you didn't actually need that behavior"
asciilifeform: sop
asciilifeform: https://web.cs.dal.ca/~johnston/poetry/pobble.html << obligatory!
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ben_vulpes: i am going to spend 2 years just reading CL tooling documentation before putting anything into production at this rate.
ben_vulpes: Adlai: once told me that the 'log reading' period for CL was well in excess of that for #b-a
ben_vulpes empties his cup
ben_vulpes: again
asciilifeform: it is measured in years, yes
ben_vulpes: what about deploying code to servers? just slime-connect to the remote host over an ssh tunnel and then compile the new codebase in?
trinque: asciilifeform: so am I meant to read every damn object into memory just to filter on >1 slot?
asciilifeform: can watch continents drift.
asciilifeform: trinque: if you don't like this, can make own indices
trinque: k
asciilifeform: i don't get this thing were folks expect others to chew for them
asciilifeform: wipe arse too ?
ben_vulpes: zing
asciilifeform: srsly, it is a bad habit imho
asciilifeform: but curable!
trinque: there are loads of repeating patterns in end-user data access
trinque: I am not sorry I used relational as a "gun to fire today"
ben_vulpes: there's a difference between chewing and a tool that abstracts a thing that needs doing
trinque: I'll take a gun to fire tomorrow too
ben_vulpes looks at postmodern again
gabriel_laddel: " What I want to be able to do is this.
gabriel_laddel: 1. Turn on the machine.
gabriel_laddel: 2. Work.
gabriel_laddel: 3. Have a bit of fun provided I've done enough of 2, which is rarely, but that's another issue.
gabriel_laddel: When I say 'work', I mean I want to be able to start typing on the screen, and if I feel like putting in a drawing, I draw on the screen. Or I bring something from my scanner on to the screen, or I send something from my screen to someone else. Or I get my Mac to play the tune I've just written on the screen on a synthesiser. Or well, the list obviously is endless. And if I need any particular tool to enable me to d
gabriel_laddel: o anything complicated I simply ask for it. And I mean simply. I should never have to put away the thing I'm working on unless I've actually finished it (fat chance say my publishers) or want to do something else entirely."
trinque: ben_vulpes: it's fine; eats a sql string or sexp version thereof, farts list
gabriel_laddel: -- http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/980707-00-a.html
assbot: DNA/Frank The Vandal ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqikKE )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51564 @ 0.00056128 = 28.9418 BTC [-]
trinque: gabriel_laddel: I want to sit down and catalog everything around me according to kind and relationship
trinque: then do arbitrary data analysis over it, and fast, damn it!
trinque: most businesses out there (that make a profit even!) are entirely blind
trinque: or they happened upon a few tools that answered enough of the essential questions that they never bothered asking more
phf: ben_vulpes: re server deploy http://www.nicklevine.org/play/patching-made-easy.html, not the only solution, but pretty cool
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqiBND )
trinque: asciilifeform: that doesn't solve it for me either, really
trinque: many user interfaces are essentially an editor for the where clause, order by, and so on for some query
trinque: the conditionals involved are not necessarily known in advance
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87068 @ 0.00056836 = 49.486 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: I don't buy that you should know in advance every interesting question you might ask your data
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, phf, Adlai, gabriel_laddel: still curious about deploying CL code to running instances ☟︎
trinque: but perhaps that doesn't follow; I dunno yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124100 @ 0.00058934 = 73.1371 BTC [+] {4}
ben_vulpes: thanks phf
trinque: couchdb had this too
ben_vulpes: wow i just remembered that gribble integration you wrote
gabriel_laddel: trinque: size of the data sets you're dealing with?
trinque: where an index had to be written for every "query" in advance
ben_vulpes: or was it assbot...
phf: ben_vulpes: it was assbot. i started on gribble, but it doesn't work as well
trinque: gabriel_laddel: could be millions of rows or more; how many widgets does factory X fart out per year?
trinque: what are all the classifications and distinctions involved in doing so?
trinque: how many interesting relationships exist?
phf: gribble returns identical strings for everyone, so there's no way to know if verify request is directed to you or someone else
gabriel_laddel: Allegrocache is the only lisp solution that will work for this size dataset afaik, and I've spent a lot of time looking.
gabriel_laddel: trinque:
trinque: yeah, looked at that
ben_vulpes: or perhaps we want to track quality ratings for *every widget produced*
ben_vulpes: coviariance analysis with shop humidity at the time
ben_vulpes: trains going by
trinque: mhm, should be able to add classifications at will all day long
trinque: and I wanna goddamn *see* the relationships
trinque: or why did I build this cockpit for my business at all?
trinque: so I could memorize it all and go on my gut?
gabriel_laddel: lol
trinque: gabriel_laddel: notably data modeling and analysis is one of the Franz offerings
trinque: didn't surprise me at all
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al: http://imgur.com/a/ED5Nl
assbot: Miracast Internals - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqkIAW )
asciilifeform: (if you have one of these, and it is not obvious how to open it - use a very sharp knife.)
asciilifeform: i found it interesting how the 802.11 module is anchored with just 6 solder balls - wonder what the protocol is
asciilifeform: better pics than mine: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?s=64d51233e96e8197f7ed78e398986916&attachmentid=2904114&d=1408479756 and http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?s=64d51233e96e8197f7ed78e398986916&attachmentid=2904115&d=1408479756
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oql4HY )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oql3ne )
asciilifeform: (though his unit is not entirely the same)
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1206849 <<< but what about getting a 2nd monitor so you can watch 2 fullscreen pornos at once ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 00:34:13; mircea_popescu: but past that... who the fuck cares.
trinque imagines cazalla trying to cross his eyes to look at both
trinque: lol
ben_vulpes: v expensive 3d solution
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51118 @ 0.00056031 = 28.6419 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36527 @ 0.00055158 = 20.1476 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: asciilifeform: re: solder balls: unfortunately sop these days
decimation: everything is lightly glued with shit solder
asciilifeform: decimation: in this case it was on account of the 802.11 thing ('realtek') being a separate pcb
decimation: ah yeah I see that
decimation: only on the edges too
decimation: well, what you expect for $12
asciilifeform: the thing works
asciilifeform: i cut it open in search of an obvious test point for uart
asciilifeform: (did not find such)
decimation: I assume that's a bga part (the cpu)
asciilifeform: cpu and ram were both bga
asciilifeform: radio (front), eeprom and vreg (back) - conventional
decimation: sux. they must have ripped out all the debug for production cheapness
asciilifeform: can read out / rewrite the rom if i had a soic16 crocodile (i presently lack one)
asciilifeform: got only the familiar soic8 that everyone has
asciilifeform: there may or may not be a public root exploit for these
asciilifeform: but i hate to rely on these
decimation: yeah, also there are probably hardware variants, according to your research
asciilifeform: on account of them being 'here today, gone tomorrow'
asciilifeform: (as was with 'chromecast')
decimation: obviously somebody is pumping these out by the mega-boat load
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25757 @ 0.00059018 = 15.2013 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2743 @ 0.00059018 = 1.6189 BTC [+]
gabriel_laddel: cazalla: how's the wife/child?
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, good but his tantrums have kicked up a notch and he climbs everything
cazalla: missus wants another but seems last months attempts didn't strike :P
gabriel_laddel: "climbs everything" < good to hear he's healthy
cazalla: he's pretty clever, stacked a couple pillows in order to get up on the tv unit
cazalla: enjoys books too which is good but reading jack and the beanstalk for 20th time each day gets a bit much, he's really picked up with that past 1-2 months bring us books to read him
gabriel_laddel: !
gabriel_laddel: sounds like a smart kid, good for you.
mod6: asciilifeform: nice pics. protocol? maybe i don't get what you're asking exactly, but it says "D8027G1"
cazalla: well, all parents like to think that of their kids but time will tell, i've read to him each day since he was born
trinque: that's a hell of a step in the right direction
gabriel_laddel: "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
gabriel_laddel: "The Wheel of Time"
gabriel_laddel: trilema.com
gabriel_laddel: maybe that last one gets pushed back a few years\
cazalla: perhaps trilema when he is a bit older (side note - the story about the boy and the tree is a good one i'll read to him when a little older)
cazalla: http://trilema.com/2013/a-story-of-a-boy-and-a-tree/
assbot: A story of a boy and a tree on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JaKoRZ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97300 @ 0.00059067 = 57.4722 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00059129 = 21.3456 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.15099999 = 1.359 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.15090322 = 1.509 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.15099999 = 1.51 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.15090322 = 1.509 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.15099999 = 1.057 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.15090322 = 1.6599 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.15099999 = 1.661 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.15090322 = 1.8108 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.15099999 = 1.359 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.15090322 = 1.8108 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al: found the test pads on that 'miracast' thing. they were, unsurprisingly, under the sticker.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.15099999 = 1.812 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.15090322 = 1.509 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.15099999 = 1.963 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 14 @ 0.15090322 = 2.1126 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.15099999 = 1.963 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24687 @ 0.00056448 = 13.9353 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: http://spacenews.com/china-eyes-purchase-of-sea-launch-assets/ < "Struggling commercial launch-service provider Sea Launch AG and its owner, Energia of Russia, are in talks with the Chinese government on selling the Sea Launch command ship and launch platform to Chinese interests that would station the system in international waters offshore China, industry officials said."
assbot: China Eyes Purchase of Sea Launch Assets - SpaceNews.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kfufw9 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89998 @ 0.00059234 = 53.3094 BTC [+] {5}
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3dw01g/worlds_first_bitcoin_only_mmorpg_with_possibility/
assbot: Worlds first Bitcoin only MMORPG with possibility to earn actual Satoshi's, Eulora is gaining momentum. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mf1E9D )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00058117 = 11.7978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27473 @ 0.00057034 = 15.669 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44576 @ 0.00057049 = 25.4302 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88468 @ 0.00058089 = 51.3902 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2832 @ 0.00059287 = 1.679 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113626 @ 0.00059344 = 67.4302 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56624 @ 0.00059945 = 33.9433 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71435 @ 0.00056466 = 40.3365 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151100 @ 0.00056086 = 84.7459 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73446 @ 0.00060033 = 44.0918 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74850 @ 0.00055337 = 41.4197 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15159 @ 0.00056862 = 8.6197 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17767 @ 0.00054599 = 9.7006 BTC [-]
punkman: !up rooder
rooder: so sell me an island
punkman: would you also like a bridge with that?
rooder: nah, ive a boat
punkman: banks reopen after 3 weeks
punkman: you can't get your money but they still call it a bank
rooder: meanwhile al buys unheard of island to open a cannery
rooder: all in bitcoin
rooder: 600 euro a week?
rooder: dats rood
punkman: 420 a week
rooder: oh
rooder: did you vote?
punkman: I got better things to do
rooder: no donkey?
rooder: busy working on bitcoin darkpools?
rooder: world is funny
rooder: greece is very broke
punkman: http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2015/07/17-efsm-bridge-loan-greece/
assbot: EFSM: Council approves €7bn bridge loan to Greece - Consilium ... ( http://bit.ly/1MCCYpB )
rooder: is germany that frightened of turkish bread?
punkman: "The loan will have a maximum maturity of three months and will be disbursed in up to two instalments. It will allow Greece to clear its arrears with the IMF and the Bank of Greece and to repay the ECB, until Greece would start receiving financing under a new programme from the European Stability Mechanism"
rooder: i dont understand
rooder: you reside in england now?
rooder: where you dont need crowbars to final loans
punkman: yeah but all that rain
punkman: too wet
rooder: lol
rooder: you proley live down the road
rooder: that said the economics here are equally retarded\
rooder: have decimation look at it
rooder: little bit like nz little bit like france ... voila
rooder: bro
rooder: eat pig
rooder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zALx9vDhjWU
rooder: what does greece actually own?
rooder: no pigs no roads
rooder: some old math
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.00055957 = 21.8512 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up nanaki
BingoBoingo: !up GoonClooney
BingoBoingo: !up wgromniak
nanaki: trilema.com is down now, I think.
BingoBoingo: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/revealed-why-slim-people-dislike-the-overweight-459459.html
assbot: Revealed: why slim people dislike the overweight - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1RIN52O )
BingoBoingo: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
BingoBoingo: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
BingoBoingo: :(
BingoBoingo: Much sad
nanaki: Must I wait 4-5 hours to meet mircea_popescu here?
Naphex: nanaki: you can just join when he's around
BingoBoingo: It's really hard to tell when he will return. Might be back in 5 minutes or 18 hours. Eulora made him even less predictable than before.
nanaki: thanks :)
cazalla: the great thing about irc though is that you can leave a message now and just tab back in an hour, tmw or even next week
BingoBoingo: !up hazirafel
BingoBoingo: !up shesek
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00057582 = 23.7238 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: !up rooder
rooder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kcet4aPpQ
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61612 @ 0.00054585 = 33.6309 BTC [-] {2}
rooder: blondie next
rooder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGU_4-5RaxU
assbot: Blondie - Heart Of Glass - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HEaPx2 )
rooder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgPUxjQOk-w
nanaki: My (nanaki's) message to mircea_popescu: I have placed a bet on bitbet.us and sent BTCs and successfully confirmed at block# 366130 but the website doesn't apply it. The bottom of the page says "Last block: 1 hour 4 minutes ago (366131)" so it must have applied my bet. ==> SOLVED: the site reflected my bet 1h 18m later since confirmed. Usually the reflection is quick so I slightly panicked! Thank you.
rooder: David Bowie - D.J.
rooder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6myNbk15sMs <<
assbot: Lightning Seeds - Pure - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RIPXwE )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80582 @ 0.00056746 = 45.7271 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71362 @ 0.0005842 = 41.6897 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49838 @ 0.00058898 = 29.3536 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00057986 = 9.9736 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85550 @ 0.00059922 = 51.2633 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86254 @ 0.00059922 = 51.6851 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00059922 = 6.0521 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60984 @ 0.00059922 = 36.5428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89498 @ 0.00060014 = 53.7113 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: aww someone got butthurt ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00058952 = 42.0917 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00058334 = 8.1084 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: 311M 996G LOGDROPIN all -- !lo * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 lulz
mircea_popescu: incidentally kakobrekla could assbot be changed so instead of dropping a bitly links it drops an archive.today link ?
mircea_popescu: at least get an archive for teh effort.
kakobrekla: ill check
mircea_popescu: danke
mircea_popescu: !up hazirafel
hazirafel: would you use a program that sends bitcoin to the cruch of satane very time you enter facebook?
hazirafel: curch
mircea_popescu: i don't have a facebook ?
mircea_popescu: and what's "enter" anyway, every time you load a webpage that pulls their fucktarded button ?
hazirafel: good
hazirafel: no
mircea_popescu: for that matter what's "the church of satan"
mircea_popescu: well no. why not.
hazirafel: google it
hazirafel: oks
mircea_popescu: google is not in my wot.
hazirafel: look it up in the phone book :)
cazalla: hazirafel, why the CoS instead of some other charity?
hazirafel: just a thought
hazirafel: something not liked/funny
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/2EASGTJ << the denyin reference for that 311M pkts logdropin thing, on the off chance anyone gives a shit about the details
mircea_popescu: pro tip : if your AN is in there you're a fucktard, i don't care if your name is "verizon"
mircea_popescu: s/AN/ASN/
cazalla: hazirafel, i would suggest the Human Fund
mircea_popescu: heh
hazirafel: this? http://www.the-human-fund.org/heritage/
assbot: About — The Human Fund ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmJlAa )
cazalla: whatever
hazirafel: thanks
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what!
mircea_popescu: hazirafel it's a seinfeld reference.
mircea_popescu: and here's something to bother my man cazalla : http://38.media.tumblr.com/d79ced52386260419f282a6cbea59cc0/tumblr_n5oxc1uPJp1trwqu4o1_400.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmJBiF )
cazalla: lol why would that bother me
hazirafel: art
mircea_popescu: a well, was worth a shot.
cazalla: speaking of Seinfeld.. "On Wednesday (April 29) the online streaming service Hulu struck a deal with the “show about nothing,” paying $700,000 per episode ($130 million) for the rights to add the series to its already stellar lineup."
mircea_popescu: not bad
mircea_popescu: dude makes money while sleeping.
hazirafel: heh
hazirafel: maybe i'll watch the episode
mircea_popescu: btw cazalla qntra should be back now. not sure how long it'll hold, but - publish anything you may have backing up your publishpipes
mircea_popescu: and archive the pages lol.
cazalla: thankfully it's been quiet, BingoBoingo might have one or had one in mind though
mircea_popescu: aww.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nanaki find a better hobby, what can i tell you.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: my quest to disturb cazalla continues. http://38.media.tumblr.com/8824129a0d3e247174ee10e89fd30918/tumblr_myl0k5QvGj1qjhn09o2_400.gif
cazalla: that's a pretty fail attempt tbh
mircea_popescu: ;/
mircea_popescu: ima go cut
mircea_popescu: some grass now.
cazalla: sok for another woman to lick an ass, just don't ask me to do it, sorta how fucking twins is fine as you're not the one committing incest
mircea_popescu: how are you not lol
mircea_popescu: you think the married woman is committing adultery alone ?
kakobrekla: whats the difference between female tongue and male tongue ???
mircea_popescu: female tongue is split
mircea_popescu: no wait, i was thinking of the wrong species.
cazalla: kakobrekla, i don't know, it's not about that anyway, i just don't fancy sticking my tongue there but to each their own
mircea_popescu: cazalla well you realise if your bar for being bothered is "being pictures of ME doing things", i got god's own work cut out for me here...
cazalla: mircea_popescu, how is it an incestous act for me if i am not related to them?
mircea_popescu: cuz you're in it.
cazalla: fuck, so be it then if it mean doing twins
mircea_popescu: ehehe.
mircea_popescu: problem with doing twins is that, like anything else in life, you get used to it.
cazalla: and nothing much bothers me, why should i be bothered someone else enjoys giving rimjobs
cazalla: i'll have to take your word for it as this is a problem i doubt i will ever have
mircea_popescu: anyway. my grassy knoll awaits. later!
cazalla: it's only smellz
shinohai: http://gizmodo.com/hackers-threaten-to-expose-40-million-cheating-ashleyma-1718965334
assbot: Hackers Threaten to Expose 37 Million Cheating AshleyMadison Users ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLVEr6 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91988 @ 0.00057922 = 53.2813 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32678 @ 0.00057293 = 18.7222 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00059668 = 7.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.00058489 = 18.5703 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25812 @ 0.00058489 = 15.0972 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46250 @ 0.0005728 = 26.492 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.00056223 = 24.7662 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22809 @ 0.00055666 = 12.6969 BTC [-]
decimation: my blk0009.dat diverges from mod6's too - one of my blk0008.dat matches his (sha256sums). Something weird happens in blk0009 (approx block height < 300k)
decimation: my blk0009.dat 6f230687f04b41d5cc3d5f3b9cdd497c1b9103394eeda96cef1d0998b3c5d185 : I'm syncing from ascii's node using 'stator'
shinohai should try a resync to ascii's node
mod6: as a reminder tho, those hashes of my .dat files were from "the wild" sync.
mod6: i'll be revisiting this not too long from now with some hashes from mp's orig chain
shinohai: @ mod6 does the MP node sync past the phork now?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2863 @ 0.00055666 = 1.5937 BTC [-]
mod6: haven't gotten there yet on nsl's node
mod6: height=351462
shinohai: ah k
mod6: my openbsd one is crawling along.
shinohai: I haven't synced stator yet. My release 0.5.3 is still up always though.
mod6: height=205332
mod6: 0.5.3.1 ?
shinohai: yeah that one
mod6: nice, what block are you on?
shinohai: 366172 it updated but on regular blockchain
mod6: did it sync the same way from block 0->current in the same manner, i.e. by finding nodes all over irc?
shinohai: mod6 yes it only connected to irc nodes i guess, since it is before the irc demolition.
mod6: good deal man.
shinohai: pogo is on hold until I get an ssd, still is a great chat server
mod6: thanks for reporting back on that
mod6: haha, pogo chat server?
shinohai: It's nice being the first guy to destroy a SATA installing arch on a pogo
mod6: it bricked the drive?
shinohai: yeah. made a screech and was gone. I have had that one forever though. I got 5 more old satas but I should just do things right with an ssd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00055316 = 1.7701 BTC [-]
mod6: yikes, threw a bering 'eh
shinohai: yup
mod6: well, thanks for putting in the effort to test this stuff, we appreciate it.
mod6: effort & parts!
shinohai: I love this shit, takes me a bit of time to catch up with you warriors, but I'm getting there.
mod6: for sure. thanks, we need all the help we can get.
shinohai: Buying a pogo with btc that was on my 0.5.3. node was kinda cool too.
asciilifeform: i thought everybody knew, at this point, that one cannot expect to end up with same blkxxxx at all times, on account of forklets.
shinohai: I kinda figured that but what can you do.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, 69 active connections on s.nsa's node.
asciilifeform: new recordz every day.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i thought everybody knew, at this point, that one cannot expect to end up with same blkxxxx at all times, on account of forklets. << yeah i recall.
mod6: i guess more importantly than that, im gonna do a for(0->366XXX) dump of each block and hash it, compare it to the list that you ended up with ascii.
asciilifeform: somebody found a bug in 'blkcut' but did not follow up re: replicating ☟︎
mod6: 69! yeah, we need more nodes.
asciilifeform: ( danielpbarron ? )
mod6: is this the one where blkcut error made it fall over?
asciilifeform: aha
shinohai: asciilifeform: which is the nsa lab node at again?
mod6: same ip
asciilifeform: 195.211.154.159:8333
shinohai: @ mod6 when I raise a few more btc and a few bugs worked out, I am going to put 2 more up, one at my gf's house and one at my friends.
mod6: heheh. well, just make sure if you /do/ put up a node, it is somewhat phasar resistant
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mod6: I'm gonna put up a few too, but gotta wait about 6 wks.
mod6: ;/
shinohai: me too. First ssd, then expansion. >;3
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://xkcd.com/1553
assbot: xkcd: Public Key ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbHqgh )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: dat comic
mod6: haha
shinohai: Also, if anyone needs proofreaing and ed work done this week I am free to work :D
mod6: actually...
mod6: if you're looking for something to keep you busy for an evening, you can test out the gentoo x86-64 nomultilib guide
mod6: :]
mod6: we need a 3rd person to verify this thing so i can finally send it to the lst.
shinohai: link me. I have never installed gentoo in my life, but a good time to learn
mod6: ah, yeah, so ... this guide is for a physical box (takes you through using livecd) -- if you wanna set it up in a VM im sure you can do something similar with a livecd, just hvae to attach the iso file to the virtual dvd/cdrom drive.. and probably follow the same steps.
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt && http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbIAZ3 )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbID76 )
mod6: bah. ignore that second one. that's for uclibc.
mod6: here's the second one with full examples for nomultilib: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide-wFullExamples.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbIHnx )
shinohai: Thanks mod6 I'll get on it this evenin'
shinohai usually ignores notes on distros besides his own
mod6: shinohai: awesome! no rush either. when you get time is cool. let me know how it goes, i'll be around to answer q's.
shinohai: np an education is a terrible thing to waste.
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mod6: the first doc is just the commands you need, so it's kinda cut/pasteable. the second is the commands with their output so you can get a sense of what you should expect to see.
shinohai: I'm a masochist and type everything LOL
mod6: haha, no worries. that's fine too.
shinohai: Time is the most important asset for testing. I still want to prove that a small group can outproduce the "bitcoin foundation" sans their immense budget they blew.
asciilifeform: outproduce ?
shinohai: outproduce: Make a better product.
shinohai: Or a more high-performing one.
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trinque: RUN MOAR GENTOO
asciilifeform: ?
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shinohai: whelp it seems pogos make excellent mining controllers, not that I mine anymore.
trinque: asciilifeform: sincerely.
trinque: shinohai: guide's really easy
shinohai: Looks so trinque, and I hopped on craigslist and bought a shitty laptop for $100
trinque: nice.
shinohai: So new toy for later yay
trinque: they've got "Free Geek" here for scrap
trinque: I tend to make my way there once a week or so
shinohai: I wish we had something like that here. I blow so much on used equipment xD
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trinque: shinohai: sometimes goodwill also has an electronics dept, depending on where you're at
shinohai: Yeah but they have incredibly shitty electronics at our Goodwill. I usually troll craigslist and sometimes get free parts.
shinohai: But today, pickings were slim and I needed a spare lappy
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ty but no :D
mircea_popescu: shinohai working on the 950kb bogus block atm.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: working how? single-stepping the thing ?
shinohai: Thank you for your continued dedication.
mircea_popescu: poor mod6 no time to mine because all this foundation stuff fell on his head.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically.
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mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: to continue the chick in rubber skin thread, http://38.media.tumblr.com/c42b2ab51e7e9e85ad0c04c935504746/tumblr_n3u2tstiHD1rnqh33o2_r1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mga9S0 )
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone amused at how the "mainstream media" took all of five seconds to decide random white dude was "racially motivated" blowing up a black church, wheras they're still "trying to look for motives" that paki dude shot up the marines ?
mircea_popescu: sandniggers can't be raceist!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this apparatus works, i was told, like the ubiquitous kitchen vacuum sealer machine. but with an airhole. it is popular where i live, i was told.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite so yes.
mircea_popescu: and i suspect all this is autism related and should prolly be a med insurance deductable, like kinetotherapy.
asciilifeform: kinda reminds me of the 'why not connect air compressor to the tuba' concept
asciilifeform: not everything oughta be mechanized
mircea_popescu: there is this particular thing in autists where being compressed widely helps
asciilifeform: the chick who told me about the vacuum bed was into it as a straight bdsm thing iirc
trinque: man that thing makes me uncomfortable
trinque: anybody ever wants my launch codes, there's the way
asciilifeform: peine forte et dure !!
trinque: mircea_popescu: I could see it being nice for people with sensory overload issues
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lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Sven Arnold ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DC9D7BC1ADFF9D074C29DA18CB7224920FDAABD2348152DE296A6293FF3C1914#1A76F4EB3DC6C31C58912BB58D3C9DCDC00B82C9614792BADBFB0CE75DE943B3>
shinohai: Another one bites the dust.
trinque: mod6: BingoBoingo: what are your opinions on using random-id and reassemble tcp in incoming traffic through pf?
trinque: and more generally, any recommended practices?
trinque has found the openbsd manpages to be in a class of their own
trinque: exceptionally thorough
mod6: trinque: what are you trying to achieve?
trinque: mod6: best practices for home router with several hosts behind it
mod6: im not positive (i don't have access to my pf.conf atm) that i've ever used random-id. i think that's for a very specific problem. but yeah you probably /do/ want scrub all reassemble tcp
trinque: cool, am doing that
mod6: looks like you can use random-id for some normalizatoin purposes... main thing is here, read the pf.conf man page 2x and then build up your firewall and use the heck outta tcpdump to ensure what your rule set is as you want it.
mod6: start simple, then build in more complexity as only necessary.
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BingoBoingo: Looks like Qntra survived this weekend better than Gawker did https://archive.is/joOPE
BingoBoingo: <trinque> mod6: BingoBoingo: what are your opinions on using random-id and reassemble tcp in incoming traffic through pf? << Haven't used either of those yet. Pretty much use block, pass, and queue
trinque: k
trinque: former seems like handling internal host derpage (winblowz for example)
trinque: latter seems to have to do with hiding facts about the inner network topology
BingoBoingo: Then don't have derpy internal hosts
trinque: yeah
trinque: maybe asciilifeform's perspective on mitigations applies to the latter
trinque: rather, both
asciilifeform: wai wat
trinque: asciilifeform: re aslr and other things
trinque: seemed to be a point about superficial mitigations vs fixing the underlying issue
trinque: in this case it'd be as BingoBoingo said, don't have fucking dumb hosts that can't TCP
asciilifeform does not play whackamole
asciilifeform will not encourage others to play it
trinque: yeah
punkman: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1177298
trinque: braindamage
mod6: asciilifeform: ever get a chance to look at those bins?
asciilifeform: unfortunately not
mod6: np. it can wait for a bit.
mod6: the openssl configure script (perl lel) seems to indicate that no-shared is the default -- but i wanna be sure.
mod6: openssl-1.0.1g # grep "my \$no_shared" Configure \ my $no_shared=0; # but "no-shared" is default
scoopbot_revived: Ashley Madison Hacked http://qntra.net/2015/07/ashley-madison-hacked/
mod6: wat
mod6: oh
asciilifeform: 'and leaving their interesting and activities oriented towards extramarital dating exposed.' << ?
mod6: strangely worded
trinque: might've meant "interest"
trinque: whole sentence needs to be chopped and screwed
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hanbot: ey mircea_popescu http://www.nasdaq.com/article/the-cryptocold-war-bitcoins-politics-of-scalability-cm497963
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BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/Bvp9c << Just in case
mircea_popescu: hanbot heh
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu, who is opposed to scalability due to his vocal disdain for “the poor”
mircea_popescu: derp.
mircea_popescu: i am not opposed "to scalability". i am opposed to very specific idiocy for very clearly delineated technical reasons.
hanbot: srsly, why's "the poor" in quotes?!
mircea_popescu: i just don't happen to be clueless enough to confuse those for "Scalability". considering i am not actually a technical expert, this reflects very poorly opn the intellectual abilities and assorted scholarship of random derps opining on nasdaq.com
mircea_popescu: and in any case - it's not some "disain for the poor" that's at work. just because everyone is on a (mostly hypocritical) fixation on loving the poor does not make my position disdain
mircea_popescu: i merely do not give enough of a shit about the cause celebre du jour to neglect technical arguments for its sake.
mircea_popescu: if anyone still has a twitter account, maybe link the derp to the above. you never know when athlete face learns something from the internets.
mircea_popescu: "The views and opinions expressed herein are the views and opinions of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of The NASDAQ OMX Group, Inc." mmmmkay... then why are you publishing it ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, because fiat glbse is so desperate for <<organic traffic>> they're resorting to the politically correct version of spun content & keyword stuffing" ? kthx.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: fxd
mircea_popescu: if my father weren't a total fuckwit, he'd have told me "my son, you'll make a billion dollars before you'll read a two page item about you that manages to eschew glaring errors".
mircea_popescu: that'd have been interesting to know twenty years ago.
mircea_popescu: trinque i think the manuals are the secret reason keeping any bsd userbase.
mircea_popescu: strangely enough, nobody seems to learn anything from this.
chetty: visa doesn't dicriminate against 'the poor', they just either don't give them credit or charge them bucket for it
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Looks like Qntra survived this weekend better than Gawker did https://archive.is/joOPE << kinda hard to keep a job that doesn't come with a salary i guess.
trinque: mircea_popescu: makes sense, they're excellent.
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah. more important for a powerful foss than gcc.
mircea_popescu: the one thing closed source can never do is good docs.
mircea_popescu: somehow the bright strategic minds involved missed this point.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh those were the paid, pretentious herders of the unpaid. But since Denton clamped down on their lulz Apparently herding interns is too much nao.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the one thing closed source can never do is good docs. << But then how would they sell support as a seperate product?
mod6: I linked him
mircea_popescu: the "sell support" model has been thoroughly debunked in the field. or at least that's the moral i draw from revierwing history.
mircea_popescu: the only endpoint for that is where rhel ended up : a cheaper USG Department of Windows.
mircea_popescu: if that's what you aim to do with your life, go to new york join the police force.
BingoBoingo: "sell support" worked for cisco and oracle when marketing to the helpless and overencumbered with bezzle
mircea_popescu: better union, better insurance, etc.
mircea_popescu: it pointedly did not work foir cisco.
mircea_popescu: it took them to the same dark place, and recently cost them their entire business.
asciilifeform: meanwhile i'm about to stand up another node!
mircea_popescu: yay.
mod6: http://twitter.com/modsix/status/623222065982607360
asciilifeform: (likely, no sooner than tomorrow noon. but it is cooking, yes)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you paying for the server or just using one already deployed ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: using a box i've been hiring for years, 'in case'
mircea_popescu: aha. if you wish to pro-rate towards nsa budget i'll ok it.
asciilifeform: it's a cheapo box with a 10meg line and 70gb disk
asciilifeform: probably will fill some time reasonably soon, at which point i'll finally cancel the contract on it
mircea_popescu: k
asciilifeform: gonna stand up more boxes in various places, incl. phriends who expressed interest
mircea_popescu: cool deal.
mircea_popescu: lol @ mod6 s twitter location
BingoBoingo: Not even a year and thing's now something to stand up on boxes
mircea_popescu: how's the weather this time o year ?
mod6: Wonderful :]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incredibru huh ? one alf plows like 1024 chickens.
mod6: Can only check teh weather if in assbots L2. Which is very temperate.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously
mircea_popescu: ehehe
asciilifeform: moar patchez in the pipe, too
asciilifeform: one (optional...!) to set a version string that actually displays to folks like 'bitnodes'
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/623164818971713536
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asciilifeform: and another (also experimental) that adds 'flushmempool'
BingoBoingo: ^ China now doing the biggest SQL join in history. #AshleyMadison #OPMhack
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform bbl
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: ". The essence of Gawker has always been what happens when we get out of those meetings and go back to writing and editing the stories you do that no one else can do. "
mircea_popescu: dude srsly ?
mircea_popescu: these schmucks actually thought they do something remarkable in any sense ?
mircea_popescu: fascinating what derps actually sell themselves into. gawker editorial actually thinks it's more than a branded chicken coop
mircea_popescu: they probably imagine they ever published anything worth reading, too.
mircea_popescu: nuts.
mircea_popescu: next i'm gonna hear shit farmers in kenya think they're pulling the sun up each morning.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> next i'm gonna hear shit farmers in kenya think they're pulling the sun up each morning.// they aren't?
mircea_popescu: obviously.
mats: http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/ct-lockheed-martin-sikorsky-aircraft-20150720-story.html
assbot: Lockheed Martin to buy Sikorsky Aircraft for $9 billion - Chicago Tribune ... ( http://bit.ly/1OiflTR )
mircea_popescu: kinda funny to see the us reduced to the 50th state of the great nation of africa, but then again
mircea_popescu: not my country, not my problem.
shinohai: http://www.amazon.com/Baconlube--Flavored-Massage-Personal-Lubricant/dp/B00XQENVUS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1437373740&sr=8-1&keywords=bacon+lube
assbot: Amazon.com: Baconlube- Bacon Flavored Massage Oil & Personal Lubricant by J&D's: Health & Personal Care ... ( http://bit.ly/1OifAhz )
mircea_popescu: anyway, the one notable thing re gawker is that the twerps smokling the crack pipe of radical-this-and-that do not have either the intellectual wherewithal to notice nor the mental acumen to actually create THEIR OWN FUCKING BLOGS.
scoopbot_revived: Kickass Torrents Dropped From Google Search Results http://qntra.net/2015/07/kickass-torrents-dropped-from-google-search-results/
mircea_popescu: seriously, you gotta write emails to the staff about stuff like this ?
mircea_popescu: because why, it's 1715 all over again ?
mircea_popescu: "oh here's a backroom napkin scribbled with my protest over the culture of backroom dealing these people imported into our fine organisation of delusions of transparency. i am too stupid to understand how ridiculous i'm being. NEOTENY FOR THE VICTORY!!11"
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mircea_popescu: gawker does "radical transparency" don't you know. when you fuck with me you can read all about it on trilema, but it's gawker that's radically transparent. a bunch of twerps whose names nobody even happens to know. paragons in their own minds of things they don't understand, nor would understand even if they actually tried thinking about 'em.
mircea_popescu: fucking monkeys already.
BingoBoingo: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/07/20/1233229/amd-catalyst-linux-driver-performs-wildly-different-based-on-programs-name ☟︎
assbot: AMD Catalyst Linux Driver Performs Wildly Different Based On Program's Name - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OigmLK )
mircea_popescu: coming up next, "top 5 best program names for amd compatibility"
BingoBoingo: Apparently doom3.x86 is a good one
BingoBoingo: Also a journey to the mind of a Windows User https://archive.is/Kq7JT
assbot: CEO-011 comments on [CRITICAL] Windows users: Update your machine NOW! ... ( http://bit.ly/1JcDVWW )
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b7ffaed85dc3cc4f937cbc57d46e2d58/tumblr_n2m74yD7d21sjyuzzo1_500.jpg
assbot: ... ( https://archive.is/http://41.media.tumblr.com/b7ffaed85dc3cc4f937cbc57d46e2d58/tumblr_n2m74yD7d21sjyuzzo1_500.jpg )
mircea_popescu: HA-ha!
mircea_popescu: my suspicions...
mircea_popescu: now if it also worked...
kakobrekla: what
kakobrekla: click de archive this url.
kakobrekla: or ?
mircea_popescu: ah two clicks away.
mircea_popescu: good enough i guess.
kakobrekla: that parsing and saving is very slow on some sites and i dunno if we want to hit him with everything ?
mircea_popescu: yeah makes sense.
mircea_popescu: if anyone cares they can click. ☟︎
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phf: <mircea_popescu> fascinating what derps actually sell themselves into. gawker editorial actually thinks it's more than a branded chicken coop << from a limited experience, that seems like a sop in certain kind of sillicon-valley inspired u.s. company. a combination of "you can do anything!" with worst sort of delusions of grandeur.
phf: ties nicely with that tlp article about "the real me"
trinque: phf: yeah, these companies practically force their employees to take part in it
gernika: That's the reason I can't work as a startup employee anymore: they want you to *believe*
trinque: can't just do your job; you have to be drunk on whatever half-assed propaganda they came up with
trinque: gernika: indeed.
trinque tosses "passionate" on the american pyre
phf: i worked for one such company last year, joined out of curiousity, but stayed to finish projects i was responsible for. the amount of dysfunctional behavior was staggering.
phf: they had socially mandatory fist bumps, instead of hand shakes, by way of greeting.
phf: ceo would regularly send out "vote for us as the best place to work in the city", "vote for me as the best ceo"
gernika: phf Did you have to endure a hackathon?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2015#1207955 << ample precedent for this crap. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=163 -- and also that famous find where 'skype' turned out to slow deliberately when CPUID instruction returned something other than intel ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 20:40:05; BingoBoingo: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/07/20/1233229/amd-catalyst-linux-driver-performs-wildly-different-based-on-programs-name
assbot: Loper OS » How to un-break graphical Java apps under Ratpoison ... ( https://archive.is/http://www.loper-os.org/?p=163 )
phf: gernika: i didn't have to endure much, except shortage of competent underlings, but i witnessed cto organizing hackathon for other teams, and it was painful. blind leading the blind
asciilifeform: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al ^
asciilifeform: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/the-cryptocold-war-bitcoins-politics-of-scalability-cm497963#/comment-2146567362 << extra-lulzy
assbot: The Crypto-Cold War: Bitcoin's Politics of Scalability - NASDAQ.com ... ( https://archive.is/http://www.nasdaq.com/article/the-cryptocold-war-bitcoins-politics-of-scalability-cm497963#/comment-2146567362 )
phf: it took me a while to even realize that the majority of employees had less then 3 years of programming experience, majority of managers had no software project experiences, etc. i didn't really understand until experiencing it first hand, that a large software company can be so utterly dysfunctional. and yet "we're all winners!"
asciilifeform: dafuq is a 'hackathon' ?
asciilifeform: newspeak for 'deathmarch' ?
trinque: you get pizza and beer and invite shmoes off the street to come "hack"
trinque: and expect them to ... not sure what
trinque: "ideate"
mats: solve problems for free!
phf: we had a better thing than hackathon. a small group of junior developers were tasked with designing a curriculum and writing tutorials for training people with zero computer skills to become rails developers. to, i shit you not, "help disadvantaged peoples".
trinque: the concept was obviously shat by marketing people who believed in the myth of "the weekend app that made a million bezzlars"
trinque: obviously if it worked for "them" it'll solve all our corporate dysfunction
trinque: phf: do what now?
gernika: trinque that type of hackathon is innocuous compared to mandated hackathons at work.
trinque: phf: like this was gonna get some bum off the street, making rails sites?
trinque: gernika: yeah, the one where they fucked up project management so you're gonna ship this weekend by god!
gernika: At one such hackathon, employees were encouraged to spend the night in the office.
trinque: all of these people are useless
phf: trinque: i was at one "interview" with a guy with zero programmer experience, straight from "you can do anything!" video, we're talking "dropped out of art degree to become a waiter, but hours were brutal, so i want to become a programmer"
trinque: clearly the only thing preventing idiocracy is that it could never get that far
trinque: phf: seems to come from an american notion that you get ahead by pulling one over on everyone else
trinque: there's this one neat trick they don't want you to know after all
trinque: and it surely isn't competent people working hard, anything but that
trinque: the greatest thing you can be is a 20 year old billionaire that blasted off doing something pedestrian
gernika: There was one hackathon which, at the time I hated, but in retrospect had some redeeming value to it. People formed their own teams and worked on their own ideas and at the end, the CEO judged the results.
gernika: CEO told our team ours sucked.
phf: that's an old school notion, trickster as a hero and all that, but i don't think this is that. these people are not even hustlers, i don't think there's any awareness there.
gernika: Which, hey - would good if that happened more. Sadly the CEO's own idea turned out to suck and the startup went out of business.
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: soldered pogo-style ttl serial probe to the 'miracast'. this yielded a straight root shell in ~5 seconds after powerup.
phf: asciilifeform: btw hackthons used to be face to face development sessions by free software teams, when they had opportunity to all congregate at some location. coined afair by theo, but went the same way as "open" and such
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, jurov, et al: http://dpaste.com/0YSCME3.txt ☟︎
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