asciilifeform: 'Have you ever wanted SSH or telnet access to your system from an “internet desert” - from behind a strict firewall, from an internet cafe, or even from a mobile phone? Anyterm is a combination of a web page and a process that runs on your web server that provides this access...'
BingoBoingo: Apparently they premised a TV show episode around it
mircea_popescu: the problem with cultural appropriation as a content generation strategy is that it only works if there's a fucking culture in the first place.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they 'modernized' a 'dr jeckyll and mr. hyde' or wut
mircea_popescu: ustards, ever smarter than the next ustard, managed to build this system whereby nobody has to do any work and everyone has hats through stealing the neigbour's. how the fuck that system's supposed to work is anyone's guess, but here we go :
mircea_popescu: averagetard excepts to crochet a culture out of what he sees on tv and tv expects to crochet programming out of averagetard culture.
mircea_popescu: the pain and suffering echo chamber resultant is supposed to come as a surprise i guess ?
mircea_popescu: IT DOES NOT. it's not just that "traction - 1mn apps, largest with 40mn users" means ~same as zip
mircea_popescu: it's that the core parts of mordor infrastructure aren't even worth operating.
ben_vulpes: near as i can tell, and it tripped my retard alerts fast so i didn't invest much in determining how it works, someone used that to make a "database as a service" for mobiledevz
ben_vulpes: which to quasiquote mircea_popescu "what is even a native mobile developer"
ben_vulpes: anyways, it never worked despite facebook buying and trying to make it do so
mircea_popescu: "Technical problem I: complicated rate limiting. If limit exceeded by a factor of 60 for a minute, requests were dropped. Limits were tracked using a shared Memcache instance. Consequence: when developers experienced rate limits in the API, they added retries. The retries incurred enormous load in the Parse backend." <<< translation : "we are three years old. wut is dis ?"
ben_vulpes: and to quote myself in another channel, "soz for cynicism but if it looks like madness and a tower of abstractions written by frontend devs who don't in2 systems...it probably is."
mircea_popescu: these fucktards, unqualified to wipe their own drool, dare dream of "revolutionizing the way that..." ? wtf,
mircea_popescu: no dude, obscure service had 1mn apps of 40mn users each!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'apps' ain't 'the empire' tho, they're panem et circenses
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform facebook entirely exists out of spamming bs apple games.
mircea_popescu: it's pretty much that + "stories from around the web -- find out the secret glassblowers don't want you to know about how a mother of two in vincente lopez lost five kgs off her coffee mug each morning one weird trick!"
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612725 << "It also takes miners -- despite their state of the art equipment, access to electricity, and cooling -- increasingly longer to verify bitcoin transactions" oh get right the fuck out tell that to the myriad instablocks☝︎
mircea_popescu: "Parse Server Server was Rails at first (with 24 threads max. concurrency) with very little throughput per server (~1530 requests per second) The server was later rewritten in Go. The open-source Parse server is written Node.js and lacks many functionalities of the original Parse server in Go." <<< holy shit, can you believe the idiocy ? "we wasted a bunch of money doing stupid shit because we truly believe"☟︎
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ^^ is why you're reading this
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes listen, you're quoting a bullshit mfa trying to product place some inept dork. he did nothing ; is nobody ; random words in a string.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you want random words in a string, you shoulda seen the guy pitching "a cryptocurrency blockchain signature solution to the marijuana regulatory burden" the other night
ben_vulpes: buddy if you get crypto involved in your drug production it can only be to hose the state, but w/e
mircea_popescu: "Backend was completely on Amazon Web Services It was planned to migrate Parse to Facebooks infrastructure (e.g. Haystack, Tao, F4, Extended Apache Giraph, Gorilla) but the project was abandoned Roughly 8 developers working on SDKs, 8 on the server, 8 DevOps + a few more engineers" <<< 1) no it was not "planned", fuckwads don't have mp certificate in planning, may not claim they are engaging in any planning. the prop
mircea_popescu: er term is "was butthole - to - nose - fingered". not fucking planning.
asciilifeform: all i see is buncha sad folx in penal servitude, for some peculiar reason spending their scarcely-existing free time writing about the wheelbarrows, the dirt, the scurvy.
mircea_popescu: and b) holy shit, 8 "engineers" ? kids with whispy chin-only beards stuffing their tongue up an asshole aren't engineers. they're kids with whispy chin beards stuffing their tongue up an asshole.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: wait 'till you get to "what it got right"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: proud tradition of penny-in-the-fusebox lives on!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> all i see is buncha sad folx in penal servitude, for some peculiar reason spending their scarcely-existing free time writing about the wheelbarrows, the dirt, the scurvy. << lol, when the weather warms up I may blog some on personal blog about wheelbarrows, dirt and anti-scurvy
mircea_popescu: "Slave reads were allowed for performance reasons" << check it out, apparently it's in the sql spec after all. even on mondoshit >D
mircea_popescu: "Partial updates were problematic as small updates to large docs got write amplification when being written to oplog" <<< aaahahahaha.
ben_vulpes: persistence is slow and competence expensive, what is a sv fingertrap author to do but eschew writes to disk and hire the lowest common denominator?
mircea_popescu: there's this film with that inept idiot from whatever cars film, the one with an adriano celentano like mug. he's supposedly the capo of this son-of-mobster inept douche and his main spoken line is something like "500. that's how many bla bla".
ben_vulpes: " if important customers lost data due to human error, Facebook engineers would manually recover it from periodic backups"
mircea_popescu: by now nobody actually has the faintest inkling of a clue as to how computers actually run. at all. whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: i am the fuck ahead of the 8 engineers, and i'm not even a coder.
ben_vulpes: you have to identify as "a coder" to even consider the stuff
ben_vulpes: coders support tool diversity, of course
ben_vulpes: get excited about things, support people.
mircea_popescu: "The object-level ACL system was highly inefficient. Numerours indexes were required that could sometimes surpass the actual data size by a factor of 34." << i guess i'm the only one with production dbs where the indexes are 90%+ of the whole thing ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i am not at all convinced that these folx individuated, and able to 'identify'
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong wit hthese people. the index to data factor isn't a benchmark of efficiency.
asciilifeform: they simply went to it, like 19th c irish emigre to the bottle and the railroad.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i think that's indices of just the acl 'tables'
ben_vulpes: sane and halfway intelligent folks refuse to touch it, so you're stuck with the dregs and their decisions.
asciilifeform: and hey if it's good enough for phd with haskell, why not plebe.
ben_vulpes: where "decisions" ===== "the code i produced that appeared to work a few weeks ago"
mircea_popescu: "As there was no mechanism for concurrency control (except for minimal support for things like counters), applications were often inconsistent" << then people wonder why us ships don't work.
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, BingoBoingo have you ever messed with "biochar" as soil amendment?
ben_vulpes: gasified wood, notionally provides surface area for bacterial colonization and drastically reduces fertilizer/nutrient depletion
mircea_popescu: sounds like the sort of bs that works in the lab only.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do they sell calcinated bone as a fertilizer where you live ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oddly enough comes from the "permaculture" wackjobs
mircea_popescu: that's the historical as well as correct solution for that problem. spread it out before a storm.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i can buy many industrial products, but am not particularly interested in more dependencies on plant-produced amendments
mircea_popescu: bone ash is pre-industrial. it's, for one thing, how china was traditionally made.
mircea_popescu: i'm telling you, if you somehow (which i doubt you did, but taking you at your word) decided your soil's problem is lack of bacteria substrate, then bone ash is what you want to solve it with.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck heard of this, wood structure. bacteria eats wood.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you stiumbled on a fine example of "spreading-works". do not add coal to soil you plan to cultivate.
ben_vulpes: 'tis not 'coal', but i'd appreciate a primer on why not
mircea_popescu: dumbest idea i ever heard. and oh look, wikipedia explains "it's under investigation for carbon sequestration". so they're going to get you to ruin your garden to make their meaningless metrics go the way the cult decided they must go. and someone somewhere is buying into this ?!
ben_vulpes: you gotta burn the gas off, so i have nfi where the "good for co2 metrics" comes from
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the microbiology involved is anything but settled. from the lengthy human experience on the topic, coal is a miserable substrate for a garden.
ben_vulpes: smells, turning, meat/dairy as feedstock to boot
mircea_popescu: mmm, that part is kind-of dubious, but i guess it depends on how your latrine's set up.
mircea_popescu: understand, the definition of septic tank / latrine isn't "where people shit", much like a fridge isn't "the hole in the kitchen wall food comes from". if meat goes in, then it's a latrine, nqa.
ben_vulpes: what might handicap the meat/dairy handling?
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 05:27 mircea_popescu: "Parse Server Server was Rails at first (with 24 threads max. concurrency) with very little throughput per server (~1530 requests per second) The server was later rewritten in Go. The open-source Parse server is written Node.js and lacks many functionalities of the original Parse server in Go." <<< holy shit, can you believe the idiocy ? "we wasted a bunch of money doing stupid shit because we truly believe"
mircea_popescu: especially if they were the shinbones of these idiots.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, google query : "am12ani și îmi bag lucruri în pizdă ce se poate întâmpla" (literally, "i am 12 yo and i stuff things in my cunt, what can happen")
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612714 << is handy, but i can't bring myself to replacing safety critical ssh with it. i've had plenty of opportunity to test it though, and it's best option for when you're trying to connect to server over a public wifi running over cell network off a generator☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 02:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: similar (i never used, however) is https://mosh.org
phf: i've not used it from a cellphone though, i don't grok the whole concept of a shell on a device without keyboard
mircea_popescu: aaaand in other "they won't fucking yield", check out jstolfi :
mircea_popescu: "To be fair, the economic flaws are mostly justified because there seem to be no technically sound way to fix them. For example, there is no incentive for Miner Mike to forward to Miner Molly the transactions that he received from Client Charlie. And there is also no incentive for Mike to forward to Molly a block that Miner Mary just solved and sent to him. Those flaws need to be fixed, but AFAIK no one has figured out a way
mircea_popescu: to do that that preserves bitcoin's design goal." (part a, which is correct)☟︎
mircea_popescu: "The biggest flaw is the fixed issuance cap. Ideally, to make bitcoin useful as a currency, the supply of BTC in circulation should expand at a rate slightly greater than the increase in the volume of payments, forever. Then the value of 1 BTC would slowly decrease with time. Then no one would want to hoard it. Then the value would be stable enough for use as a currency. There would be no bitcoin peddlers trying to get other
mircea_popescu: people's savings through misleading promises and "investment" funds. And so on." part b, which is lulzy.☟︎
mircea_popescu: basically, "bitcoin has clearly proven that what libertards thought they understood about money and finance is pure global warming claptrap, so in conclusion here's a restatement of the global warming claptrap and proposals to fix the world so it is more like the claptrap!"
mircea_popescu: phf what's the relevancy of the hardware details in the example given ?☟︎
davout: as he formulates it doesn't strike me as a fundamental issue, the miner of a block ~is~ properly incentivized to broadcast it as widely as possibru☟︎
mircea_popescu: davout he stated it in the particular. there's no actual incentive for miner x to tell miner y specifically. which creates a very toxic situation, which then presents all of itself an incentive for cartelization.
mircea_popescu: basically the reason the state in the leviathan acception of statehood as commonly understood today EVEN EXISTS is the fear of early greeks that all the neighbours may get together secretly and ostracize them,
mircea_popescu: (to revisit the beatings : beating both mother and daugther for misbehavious by either mother or daughter is the historically deployed and theoretically correct approach ; what the "red pill" dudes call "branch swining behaviour" in their AWALT booklet is both proof this is so and its direct result - it selected over the years for a certain thing, the anthropological concept of "female community")
mircea_popescu: "Most institutions which have undergone a lengthy cultural evolution, such as law (which lowers vulnerability to violence, theft, and fraud)," <<< i gotta say, the ubernaive reinterpretation of reality in the hands of armchair nonviolent "scholars" is endearing. to be plain : law ENTIRELY exists so that the concept of forest may be enforced without the depletion of the villages.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 14:20 davout: as he formulates it doesn't strike me as a fundamental issue, the miner of a block ~is~ properly incentivized to broadcast it as widely as possibru
mircea_popescu: that's how it appeared, and that's the only thing it's for.
mircea_popescu: as everyone ever involved is aware and occasionally points out, "the reduction in violence, theft, and fraud is incidental to the protection of the royal forest".
mircea_popescu: suddenly i don't need to explain why all "police" resources are expended to fight "war on drugs" even as kitty genovese dies in a pool of her own blood. cia wants drugs as its own domain, what.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: No biochar experiments, composting meat breeds clostridium, and the way to dispose of bones is bleaching them in the deser sun and selling to tourists
davout: adlai: "And there is also no incentive for Mike to forward to Molly a block that Miner Mary just solved and sent to him."
adlai: oh sorry, that line got pebkaced. it seems wrong though, shouldn't a miner want to both increase the amount of work the others do (validating the new block), and reduce the chance they have to do reorg work?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the fake news apparently believes australia === malcolm turnbull ; even as it firmly believes usa != donald trump. how the fuck is it that committing the usg to liberating australia from the unwelcome and illegitimate socialist leadership is to be confused with "war on australia" ? when they invaded europe it was "war on hitler" not "war on europe"
mircea_popescu: and in the same vein, "The judges vote is a major political blow to Mr Trump, whose early days in power have been characterised by a difficult relationship with the judicial branch of government."
mircea_popescu: really ? they'll take it to the supreme court ; which is understaffed, and will conceivably deadlock 4-4. this will also be a blow to trump ? why, because it is strictly impossible for the weimar republicand its institutions to be perceived as ineffectual and effete ?
mircea_popescu: it's a blow to the justice system more than to trump. but hey, the pantsuited opposition can't possibly consider things, so therefore they can't possibly exist.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 13:59 mircea_popescu: people's savings through misleading promises and "investment" funds. And so on." part b, which is lulzy.
mircea_popescu: he'll simply abandon it at that point, except discoursively, and it'll forever be "hey i tried to fix things but the swamp wouldn't let me". in any possible strategic evaluation of the situation, the best outcome for trump is exactly what's happening.
asciilifeform: 'aite, go make your own inflationary alt-idiocy like 1,001 people before' 'NO WE HAZ RIGHTS, we NEEDWANT ~bitcoin~'s stored fat'
mircea_popescu: but hey, it's ok, because it'll be an improvement. according to themselves. consensus! hurr!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if mr.t raised the banner, i suspect there would be plenty of folx, in particular army, who would happily string up judges, berkeley 'professors', j00yorktimes journarasts, etc.
mircea_popescu: (for the new people : the historical reason for which german gold was stored on another continent has everything to do with the fulda gap, and the sad experience of about 100-150 tons of romanian gold + an order of magnitude more in paper that was magically lost in russia)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, how long before someone raids a us stockpile, surrounds say seattle with a bunch of davy crocketts and ... fires ?
mircea_popescu: hence seattle. put it up on a hill, fire at the city. should get the 4km out of it.
mircea_popescu: quarter mile radius should be 20 city blocks or so. even in a moderately dense area should provide a healthy 20k or so new cases of cancer within 12 months ; bout half of which leukemia.
mircea_popescu: even without obamacare that's a 10ish bn extra expenditure on the welfare state.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612963 << mosh works over udp, and mitigates latency, dropped packets, and interrupted connection all the way to doing transparent roaming, so benefits are only seen on hardware in question: can still do useful work even over very dodgy connection☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 14:01 mircea_popescu: phf what's the relevancy of the hardware details in the example given ?
phf: that does look neat, i'd like to make my way to south america at some point. most south i've been is costa rica
mircea_popescu: imo chiapas is the best part of mexico. spent a very agreeable week in palenque drilling the confused hordes of usian girlies searching for spirituality or w/e the fuck.
mircea_popescu: but even that aside, the amber civilisation is fascinating on its own.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1613027 << i was waiting for that. first article i open mentions that the gold is there to put it out of moscow's reach, mentions european financial troubles and the lack of trust in trump in three paragraphs. almost can admire the fuckers, sort of like reading particularly gnarly piece of soviet propaganda☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 16:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, in a very much unrteported move, frankfurt got 300 tons of gold from new york.
thestringpuller: "After further investigation, it turned out that the two AIs were communicating using a novel symmetric key cipher, and the key that ended up being uncrackable by the third AI was simply '12345', the kind of password an idiot would have on his luggage."
mircea_popescu: phf palenque is in the southernmost state of mexico (chiapas). what, like 100 miles from your spot.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 16:49 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612963 << mosh works over udp, and mitigates latency, dropped packets, and interrupted connection all the way to doing transparent roaming, so benefits are only seen on hardware in question: can still do useful work even over very dodgy connection
asciilifeform: srsly almost ANY protocol built on top of raw lossy packet, even with one hand tied behind your back, ends up beating the shit out of tcp.
mircea_popescu: more seriously : it does seem freenode's screeching ever closer to its use-by date.
mircea_popescu: we'll have to have a gossipd sooner rather than later.
asciilifeform: i'ma probably release 'g' some time before month is out.
asciilifeform: '¿Qué es El Laboratorio C? El Laboratorio de Electrónica "C" es una dependencia adscrita a la Unidad de Laboratorios de la Universidad Simón Bolívar, cuya función principal es la de prestar colaboración y servicio para la realización de trabajos experimentales de docencia, investigación y desarrollo, tesis de grado y el mantenimiento de equipos, en el campo de la electrónica, telecomunicaciones, control e informática.'
mircea_popescu: basicallyt the great success of the FOSS was that corporations used them to spearhead cost reductions. no longer is there any need to, for instance, offer any support. they're open source! except not.
asciilifeform: incidentally it is quite debatable imho whether a 'linux box' with closed-turd gpu driver is in any useful sense a linux box.