tmsr - Log 2018-05-22

asciilifeform: meanwhile, for incorrigible rotakus strictly, http://manualul.info ( found, naturally, while digging for the orig kindergarten src of http://trilema.com/2018/printul ) ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, o ya. authentic item.

asciilifeform: this thing has like9000 lethal doses of nostalgium. and it aint even asciilifeform's orcistan

mircea_popescu: but y9ou see, it wasn't a country, it was a world.

mircea_popescu: for space odyssey human, turkish delight or texas steak, still "from earth!"

mircea_popescu: also, that's not kindergarten. it's 1st year of school, reuniting children no older than 7 years.

mircea_popescu: anyway, the item is fulla all sorts of references, subversions, wordplay etcetera. "ana are mere" is a locus in ro vernacular even today, for instance.

mircea_popescu: complete with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfXtKKFIFN0 say

a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 18:30 asciilifeform: ( folx-on-the-periphery-of-l1 : might be a good use of coupla hrs to dredge the logs for 'why ada' material that could point n00bz to, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682480 )

ben_vulpes: trinque: it would be nice on my nerves and doublecheckment routines if pay-invoice OTPs had invoice memo and amount

trinque: it's not as though the invoice numbers change, just check !!received-invoices first, but sure

mircea_popescu: duuude.

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816417 << This sounds good to me, although, perhaps maybe consider the 'over 50'. As by this, one would not be very motivated to pass 51. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 22:47 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: a sales incentive scheme proposal: we kick back 5% of revenue to affiliates who've recruited up to 10 paying customers, 10% up to 25 paying customers, 15% to 50 customers and then 20% for recruiting over 50 customers, which'd be a tidy .03 btc/mo, way better than any other "while you sleep" scheme out there.

mircea_popescu: mod6, why not ? pays better than starting over neh.

mod6: Well, if you get 15% when you get to 50, and 20% at 51. Just thinking maybe bump it up. 20% at 75 or something.

mod6: or, bump it down in the middle maybe: 5% @ 10, 10% @ 25, 15% @ 40, 20% >= 50 (something like that)

mircea_popescu: Mocky, that was a pretty good read.

mircea_popescu: mod6, ah, sure. can't say i've thought about it much nor have an oppinion. just a set of magic numbers afaik.

mircea_popescu: Mocky, for the completeness list, http://btcbase.org/log/2012-08-21#-307780 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-28#1114017 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-01#1117963 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-21#1246852 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-12#1430987 ; though these are more for the flavour and color than all that central. ☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2015-04-28 17:29 mircea_popescu: because much like ada, brainfuck is an actually specified language

a111: Logged on 2015-05-01 17:16 mircea_popescu: the path from the current FOSS, roughly approximating a spunk-crusted sock floating in a pringles can half full with week old urine

a111: Logged on 2015-08-21 03:41 mircea_popescu: yeah. hey, anyone looking for something to do that'd be useful and also an incredible walk on coals ?

mircea_popescu: i'm more curious whether you had seen them. doesn't necessarily have to be any larger than it is.

Mocky: I saw the first two and omitted as not about why. the last three did not see, reading now

mircea_popescu: yeah. kinda the problem with any attempt at summarizing logs, there's this long tail of ever less related stuff.

Mocky: less related yes, but I must admit to spending much longer than strictly necessary for this task via continuing to read well past the topic in mind

mircea_popescu: didja finish trilema yet ?

Mocky: not finish, but did actually take a stab at some ro articles, via google translate. ha ha so much for google's ai, translate's not worth a damn

mircea_popescu: google translate works exceedingly well on text not worth reading. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: kinda what this is about, yes ? admirable translation from english into orcland of bureaucratese, so that the overarching goal of esl bureaucracy (integration of worldwide police state at speed that exceeds integration of worldwide world in general) can be supported.

mircea_popescu: it's not a "general purpose" item.

mircea_popescu: it's an item borne of the fundamentally correct observation that speed of integration is the principal predictor of maintenance of statu quo.

mircea_popescu: this paradigm readily explains the soviet state - "rock and roll" relationship, and moreover that historical accident had a lot to do with why alphabet even ~exists~ today. otherwise, on the naked strength of imaginary "advertising revenue" google is worth ~dozen stackexchanges/slashdots/sourceforges. but, generals always fight last year's war, and so here we are, "bayesian lesswisdom". ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: it's two pronged. on one hand, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=vhs+america ; on the other hand http://trilema.com/2011/un-rasad-uscat/ ; https://www.pri.org/stories/2011-05-19/how-rock-and-roll-brought-soviet-union-down ; https://blogs.lt.vt.edu/aalrussia2014/2014/12/07/behind-the-iron-curtain-western-music-and-the-soviet-collapse/ and piles of similar wank. they misrepresent and misunderstand everything involved, of course,

mircea_popescu: but not the broad strokes. much like chukcha confronted with car understands ~some~ things about it, but picture chukcha's blog describing cars.

mircea_popescu: long story short, soviet kids integrated into youth culture faster than soviet state integrated "soviet world" ; the result was the failure of the soviet state. ☟︎☟︎

lobbes: Mocky: btw you may enjoy alf's ro to eng dictionary >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_ascii.txt

mircea_popescu: lol. actually, that's simply a bastard.

mircea_popescu: ro custom actually was, for a long time, to give flower names to kids of unknown parentage.

mircea_popescu: and there is such a thing as a "bride's shame" plant too. so yes, the proposed conceit was that girls impregnated out of wedlock had taken as stroll through a flowery meadow and well... it caught.

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, all these fucktards derping about "regulators". it is strictly impossible to have anything intelligent or meaningful to say if it includes the word "regulator" ; EXACTLY in the way it was impossible to say anything intelligent if your verbiage included "phlogiston" a century ago, or geocentrism six centuries ago and so following.

mircea_popescu: it's so fucking broken a conceit as to be strictly incompatible with thought.

ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816420, Thanks! I could only find stupid online services (of which dict.cc allows you to download the dictionary, but I wonder about the correctness of this site). ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-21 23:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816404 << believe or not, i dun actually have a en<->de .txt . ( the arch-bestseller , v. k. mueller's en<->ru , is errywhere, e.g. http://www.alleng.ru/d/engl/engl150.htm )

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other web technologies & platforms involuntary humour, https://archive.is/akno9

shinohai: would welcome trinque 's thoughts on this make.conf for playing eulora/steam http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HikUV/?raw=true

a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 18:54 asciilifeform: Mocky: if it is, start with one forrest mims

mircea_popescu: aand in other racism lulz, https://archive.is/cGjtW#selection-1363.392-1363.407

mircea_popescu: bwahahaha this is hysterical.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, https://archive.is/E5mUP#selection-1049.101-1042.8 << check out this dumb shit. STONED lives! in 2018!

mircea_popescu: the fucktards apparently can't reconstruct a mbr ; and who needs jfs anyway.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816441 <-- this is golden! /me stumbles upon http://manualul.info/Alg_X_1989/ , looks at ToC: "elemente de prelucrare automată a datelor --> câteva instrucțiuni ale limbajului BASIC". and to think, this was wahahay before the days of "everyone and their dog has computer in their pocket" and "teach all kidz computer science"! ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 02:58 asciilifeform: meanwhile, for incorrigible rotakus strictly, http://manualul.info ( found, naturally, while digging for the orig kindergarten src of http://trilema.com/2018/printul )

spyked: but sure, not at all a coincidence, since I got my first http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774876 in 1992. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 18:20 spyked: asciilifeform: http://thetarpit.org/uploads/2015/02/hc-85.jpg (though mine was a HC 90 I think). Romanian ZX Spectrum clone, similar to many others discussed here

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816456 <-- hey, neat archeologgy! may I persuade you to reflow the preformatted content somehow (replace pre with blockquote or something else)? it's a pita to read long log lines on 80 column setups. ☝︎

Mocky: shinohai, thanks re: mims warez. I found similar, already a 3rd of the way thru. a book hand printed in mechanical pencil... remarkable

trinque: shinohai: looks sensible to me. eulora will probably be way easier than steam, obviously, since you can't compile steam yourself. iirc, last time I put steam on linux, it was in an african linux chroot

shinohai: nah I just unpack stean-latest .deb using `ar x` ... then cd to the resulting usr/bin/ and ./steam

trinque: first thing a salesman is going to ask for is marketing material. website with list of offered services would be a good start.

jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8245.99, vol: 7541.78166533 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8233.0, vol: 17008.085135149995 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8240.4, vol: 3144.61833089 | Volume-weighted last average: 8237.37769176

asciilifeform: !!invoice ben_vulpes 0.36662881 May 2018 refueling: 36 w.u. fee from BB refuel ( omitted from prev inv ) + 2934.06 latech co. + 50 wr.fee

deedbot: Invoiced ben_vulpes 0.36662881 << May 2018 refueling: 36 w.u. fee from BB refuel ( omitted from prev inv ) + 2934.06 latech co. + 50 wr.fee

asciilifeform: mod6: not because i don't like to, lol, i'd happily eat 100% of these 4evah if i had with what.

lobbes: trinque's got a point re: marketing materials. Also, can I get a copy of the service agreement pizarro has with dc (en español is fine)? The primary selling point for the shared hosting is going to be "host whatever you want", but it obviously cannot be "anything" so salesperson needs to know the edges

trinque: "(b) la infracción a los derechos de propiedad intelectual e industrial" << so no seedboxen eh? ☟︎

asciilifeform: trinque: afaik every known fiatola isp, incl. in ru and cn, (formally) forbid warez . whether this adds up to an actual problem , is another matter.

trinque: really depends on whether it's a "throw switch first and ask questions later" or "if somebody whines, you have $duration to tell user to stop"

mircea_popescu: re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1813874 ; in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814511 i had my own intel examine it. it turns out that a) fraud is indeed rampant there, and especially for larger ammounts (this is web world, so larger is > 49.95 or so) and b) aged accounts with large trade histories are regularily bought/sold on fraudster forums. ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 00:10 mircea_popescu: re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813559 : one important palliative measure would be for ben_vulpes to create a strong presence on localbitcoins, if nowhere else. there's people there willing to do wires for you, and you never know when it comes handy in a pinch.

a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 17:52 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1813874 << i was somewhat successful on localbitcoins, until (presumably, noone said me details) they started to wire me stolen money.

mircea_popescu: the point of concern is that if indeed you are paid with stolen funds, your recourse is very limited (hurr durr, "negrate" guy on web-fake-wot, so what, you invested btc in improving some unalligend bs website ?) and without your own bank account, your ability to evaluate the cost of risk is also very limited (dood hijacks some losers windows-broswer-session, sends you 5k, the bank of the loser sends it, then a week later ask

mircea_popescu: s for it back. if you sent it straight to your dc's account, well, they may either get their bank account closed down, or spend however long doing paperwork, neither of which is something they're ready for, so they'll conceivably panic.)

mircea_popescu: the correct approach, of course, is to not merely have an account with a bank outside of nato reich, but to have sufficient legal presence there that you get to the actual bottom of things with the bank (ie, not "retail shop clerk told me some random nonsense he assumed to be the case"), and then only clear transfers once the wire has in fact cleared (a signal most banks don't expose to most customers, because everyone involv

mircea_popescu: ed is 10-ways retarded).

asciilifeform: iirc bank won't ever say 'it cleared, 100% guarantee of no-clawback' because 'helps to launder' and leads to burning at the usg stake

mircea_popescu: there's all sorts of rot and bullshit meanwhile baked into the system, such as, "sepa" (ie, i-can't-believe-it's-not-a-wire eurozone-only ersatz) has a two week recallable period. other banks may have other arrangements. the standard is that the other bank will ask for the money to be sent back "voluntarily" ; the bank may do it and pretend you agreed -- and feel free to take them to court, if your lawyers never met their law

mircea_popescu: yers they're not going to fear that ; or else may ask you whether you agree. but if you don't agree, the other bank will send ANOTHER request, to refund and also ban your account. which your bank again, may do even IF they met your lawyers.

mircea_popescu: and so following.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, of course they do. just, not for random dick.

asciilifeform: well for soros they'll not only not clawback but send complimentary whores and chocolate, sure.

mircea_popescu: industrial process can't have this "maybe the money's there, maybe there isn't". so people who actually keep the shit moving ain't got time for the bs. meanwhile non-essential services get shafted all the time, nobody cares you sent 10k copies of your extra speshial ladies fashion mag.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, not a matter of soros. a matter of two truckloads of screws vs two piles of "information products".

mircea_popescu: the trucks dun move until the money is in, definitely. and so that's the point here, peeling more and ever more layers off. when we send bitcoin, we're sending something > trucks of lcd panels, not something < vogue magazine.

mircea_popescu: but the empire assumes the assumptions that favour its nonsense, and they'll have to be drilled through.

mircea_popescu: now all this withstanding, asciilifeform has a point in the following sense : if you constantly end up with stolen funds, something will ahve to be done about it -- and by you, as a sane fucking person. money transfers don't exist so idle fucktards can sit around on wealth they didn't work for, "oh, i wonder if i should do my homework or read up on carding forums".

mircea_popescu: ie, even if the bank welcomed it (which it doesn't because they're trying to do business not participate in la revolucion), you couldn't in good conscience condone a process that constantly results in you processing stolen money. cuz you're not in that fucking business, and if you'd rather be then go work for the ny families or something. ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'carding' ~as a concept~ is 100% usg-engineered 'anarchotyranny' -- http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-13#499334 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2014-02-13 01:00 asciilifeform: fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i do not necessarily disagree with your theory. but let me walk you through a practical anecdote, so we understand the world better together, shall we ?

asciilifeform: it exists to supply one of the pretexts for usg nationalization of banking infrastructure.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, http://uploads.gazetadecluj.ro/gazcluj/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/ion-clamparu.jpg << look at this ugly fuck. knowing he is known as "cap de porc" ie "pighead", tell me what he does for a living ?

asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's orig. argument, summarized : if bank cards used actual nonleaking rsa, and signed individual transactions under direct physical control of user -- there would be no 'carding'. qed. )

mircea_popescu: here it is : he was convicted of a murder (the inept rural sort, ie, exactly what you say) many years ago. he got a term which turned to about 7 years.

mircea_popescu: he spent those 7 years building up a network inside the prison. he then got out, moved to spain, and started what's called "human trafficking". ie, he'd trick idiot girlies into coming over, chained them to a post and soldf fuck tickets.

mircea_popescu: he was convicted in spain, returned to romania, where also convicted, though it's not exactly clear if of same deeds (except at the getting girls, rather than selling fuck tickets end of it) or other deeds. he applied to court ot have punishments processed together,

mircea_popescu: which is how he ended up with my people, i left sleepers to look for legal lulz for my own personal amusement. and it turned out that he ALSO had a large term in italy that neither the spanish nor the romanians even knew about.

mircea_popescu: because eurozone amirite, what are they for.

mircea_popescu: now, tell me this : how was he convicted ?

asciilifeform: that q melts my brain. how could he ~not~ be, once captured by reich's agents, convicted, sentenced, whole hog

mircea_popescu: this guy did not permit the girls to talk to one another. do you understand, to any degree, the sort of psychosis wilful people develop in prison ? he ran that operation as tight as fuck, not like he advertised for help on tardstalk.

mircea_popescu: how did it leak ?

mircea_popescu: nope.

mircea_popescu: n, not two, N! i don't even know HOW HIGH ABOVE A DOZEN!!! girls were... i'm not sure anyone is ready for this... they were rescued by customers.

asciilifeform: ... they picked him up for wrong colour of staples in passport, searched house, found gurl ?

mircea_popescu: let me put this in words, if words will allow it.

mircea_popescu: some dumbass spanish redditard, yes, becuause who buys fucktickets from inept pigheads, some dumbass 45yo stackexchanger, expert sexchanger, some fucktard "computer engineer" DARED, not merely to steal the woman of a convicted murderer running a prostitution ring, but then not even go into hiding in fuckbumstan. no, he went with her ~to the fucking police~.

mircea_popescu: and this idiot beyond what epithets can mark, this idiot kept losing girls. and he somehow explained this to himself as normal. if my engine loses oil i fucking have it checked by experts, this moron kept losing girls and thinking nothing of it.

mircea_popescu: if i was doing this and someone did that, i'd fucking gut them, saw their children where their guts used to be and dumped them in assemblage in the sewage plant. but the ~most dangerous romanian criminal~, established the press, dun feel the need to bother.

asciilifeform: i was waiting for the curtain call part of the story, with 'and what he did to the stoolie'

mircea_popescu: so this is the tripartite system -- the mirvniki, iiincredibly fuycking insane. they dare all sorts of inconceivable out-of-line behaviour, because they really think they're protected by the lcd screen. got used to do this, eventually their brain rots, tyhey think they're safe. except of course if the reich comes asking for them to sign "confession". THEN they're affraid ; of that, yes. they push over like butter, as if the f

mircea_popescu: ucking bureaucrats can ever do anything.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the vory, they're so fucking indolent as described.

asciilifeform: i mean, we do have these in usa, can call'em 'budget model' criminals, they have money for the toy pistol with which to hold up bank, but not for the getaway car; for the 'carding' dataset but not for the ticket to iran; etc

mircea_popescu: and the devils, well, they don't fucking know which side their head faces. i mean, nevermind the "oh, we're the legal system of cluelessness". dja realise i personally humiliated the european union delegation at bucharest (calling tiself "romanian government" for 0 rerasons) because ~they did not know how many heads of pigs lived on the land at given date~ ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, if this guy meets your definition of "budget model" then i am at a loss for words. how would the putative mob set the hiring standards higher ?

asciilifeform: why should they count pigs? i suppose the thought was, let washington/nato count'em, they bought'em

mircea_popescu: they give them fucking id cards, are you kidding me ?

mircea_popescu: don't you expect the lowest most basic requirement of any issuance to be able to produce count(issued) ?

asciilifeform: there is also the variant where they knew the # , but not yet settled in agreement on precisely how to cook the books

mircea_popescu: anyway, this is the tripartite system : fearless peons (except will sign any confession if asked by hitler) - indolent thieves - clueless bureaucrats.

mircea_popescu: your theory, only covers one portion of the problem.

asciilifeform doesn't pretend to have a tight grip on the problem, relying as he does on 'astronomical' observations through a thick fog of crapola

mircea_popescu: do you realise ~every single fucktarded sub 25 yo girly on fetlife~ thinks "her relationship is great" and "my guy gives me everything i want, which you couldn't" ?

mircea_popescu: when THE FUCK was this not the case, but even contemplatable as the case ?!

asciilifeform: i suspect that the reality of the matter , in re the above , is beyond the squirrel brains of the gurlz, they are not equipped to process it and reject as ufology

mircea_popescu: socialism has created a broken world. which takes us right back to the rock'n'roll / soviet state thing from yest : the 1988 problem ~wasn't~ aesthetic. it was that the "responses" provided by "the system" were strictly speaking http://trilema.com/2018/printul/#selection-39.91-39.107

a111: Logged on 2015-05-04 13:42 mircea_popescu: and the monkey is going "fuck you bitch" quite literally at the experimenter, whom it (wrongly) perceives as a monkey of the same age and sex.

mircea_popescu: yes, but think! think! rodrigo bonzalez the javascript expert of a shitty apt with not even a working lock in madrid perceived pighead the hard timer as... ALSO!!!! a javascript expert.

mircea_popescu: their apparently shared expecation is that they can sit in a bar at a table together and drink the same beer.

mircea_popescu: and not even for money! FOR A WOMAN!!!!

mircea_popescu: is there anything worth less in the reich than a fucking woman ?!

asciilifeform: asciilifeform suspects that, according to even 'well-read' plankton , mircea_popescu obviously cannot exist , as the last mircea_popescu was ghaddafi and the latter got bayonet up his starfish, erryoneknows

mircea_popescu: even a child's worth a little money.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, except they DO KNOW he exists. recently present retard dared say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815400 as a proxy for "fuck maduro", rather than being there, naked on hands and knees, begging to be allowed into the system. as per http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/#selection-57.0-56.1 and http://trilema.com/2017/in-scams-today-disk-less-terminal-sa-dba-laesquinadelamazmorra/#selection-167.0-175.137 an ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-18 21:17 fettiffany: because socialism is crap, that's what has destroyed my country

mircea_popescu: d general fucking basic logic.

mircea_popescu: if what maduro is running there is socialism i'm a woman.

asciilifeform: this case is quite typical tho, the reich prosecutes 'death ray plots' while allah happily snackbars ~biweekly in londonabad/al-paris/etc , not much new there

mircea_popescu: nevertheless, to return to your theory : if government somehow decided to hire you to make them a proper card and implemented your design, the other end of the retard empire, "the people themselves" (aka, http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-97.245-97.262 ) woul;d not use it because (and this is a direct quote) "it's too much pressure".

mircea_popescu: by which they mean fo course, "this doesn't take us closer to http://trilema.com/2018/democracy-sucks-the-two-thousand-four-hundred-and-change-years-old-version/ but further away from it, so we'll drag our feet as much as possibru).

mircea_popescu: all three parties are captive in the system! the devils can't fix, because the mirvniki won't let them and the vory permit them to not fix ; the mirvniki won't fix because the vory won't let them and the devils permit them to not fix. and the vory won't fix because... the devils won't let them and the mirvniki permit them to not fix.

mircea_popescu: see ? it's perfectly stable!

mircea_popescu: and ~this~, this and only this, is why i said and i've been saying that only burning the whole thing down is a feasible approach. because of this.

mircea_popescu: hey Mocky , how do you like the power of logs and blogs leveraged to make incredibly fine points incredibly well ? this'd be why http://trilema.com/2010/cartile-au-murit/ ☟︎

asciilifeform: the 'they hire somebody to make proper rsa card', it's a 'fried ice' hypothetical, tho. because the cc 'fraud' is a required element of maintaining the konsoomer 'purchasing' circulation the system needs in order to live.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it being exactly what i said!

mircea_popescu: anyway. what ambitious girly with http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-133.251-133.334 delusions as to "how the world works" meant by "socialism has ruined my country" was, "This nazi Maduro dared make venezuela uninhabitable for stupid cunts like me!!!! CALL MOMMY!!!". nothing else.

asciilifeform: this was implicit in the 'anarchotyranny' label, which i stole from somebody or other (moldbug?) where it was described how a predator-prey equilibrium is carefully maintained by usg

mircea_popescu: exactly a restatement of http://trilema.com/2018/the-retards-handshake/#selection-151.0-187.20

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, except the modbug inept restatement of the foregoing attempts to enact his sponsor as some kind of aloof superior. whereas in reality it very much isn't, all parties are exactly equal, in their idiocy.

mircea_popescu: the http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#selection-119.0-119.99 is as much a part of the shitworld they built for themselves as is "herp derp your words can never touch me"

asciilifeform: this applies to all 3 points in the triangle. i do not know whether the cc thieves and dope peddlers understand that without usg's maintenance of the upside-down world, they would work just as hard and for just as little, as used tyre sellers and train station pickpockets. ( i suspect that the smarter ones -- do ; but nfi )

mircea_popescu: yup.

mircea_popescu: because tghat's the other angle of it : the "enchanted world of carding" is carefully engineered so it works as about 92% of the return-per-work that "legit" drudgery works out to .

mircea_popescu: except the people involved aren't good at math, in the sense of compartimentalizing things in their heads.

mircea_popescu: no "for the same money" ever issued out of their cubicalized brain.

asciilifeform: as for the zooplankton, i have yet to meet one who appears to grasp the implications of no-carding world ( 'and when my money's gone, it's gone, and i can't borrow moar, time to sell daughters ?! holyfuq' ) but watch their faces when shown bitcoin, where this is the order of things

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's complicated, for them; all of the examples i've witnessed up close, were simply running from cube hell, and absolutely did not give half a shit at what, exact , cost; and i can't really blame;em

asciilifeform: so no, there is not a 'same money', it absolutely is not 'same money' if it has to be earned in a cube and wearing an id badge '9 to 5'

mircea_popescu: heh.

mircea_popescu: the illusion of improvement is after all the most important mechanism in empire.

asciilifeform: they aren't (all) terrible at maths. simply there is a hidden term in this equation.

mircea_popescu: "change you can believe in", let alone whether anything changes or not.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, which ?

asciilifeform: the 'i'd rather make 50k as a free man in sunlight, even if running from police, than 500k under fluorescent lights writing usg reports'

mircea_popescu: except... not made as free man either.

mircea_popescu: just, "you can either get three food pellets a day and here's the cage bars, or else two and a half food pellets and we use the special invisible bars for your cage. same cost to us, what's your preference ?"

asciilifeform: well yes, they play the role of lions and rhinos in a kind of safari park for usg 'threeletters'

mircea_popescu: and the cost ~to the system~ (because no, NOBODY who speaks english as a primary language PRODUCES anything, nor has, nor will while this lasts) of either kind is very finely equal

mircea_popescu: which is why their per-sweadrop returns vary and are so precisely alligned.

mircea_popescu: see ?

asciilifeform: i must agree, because if the system is disequilibriated somewhere, it is to small enuff amount that i cannot see , with naked eye, where.

asciilifeform: this also calls to mind the several previous threads re 'why do carders/smugglers/etc still use paypalade and convert bitcoin to usd whenever they get any' etc.

mircea_popescu: moreover it's remarkable how well the averages are attracted. for anyone with functional analysis practice the underlying equality is evident.

asciilifeform: to a man, they never 'checked out mentally' from usg reich, they still dream, in the end somehow, of miami.

asciilifeform: ( observe, abramovich remains in his miami, london, despite (supposedly) upcoming dekulakization. because life 'unthinkable' otherwise. )

mircea_popescu recently re-watched http://trilema.com/2011/drugstore-cowboy/ ; it is notable because pretty much the last extant footage of w s burroughs. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: transparently, the reason the old man even did the film, and what they tgold him to be in it etc, is because he wanted to put the following phrase out there where i could reach it : "that in a few years, the right wingers will use the narcotics pretext to create an international police state".

mircea_popescu: now, he didn't figure out that his notion of "right wingers" exactly maps to "clinton democrats", but otherwise, the problems of integration still drive the democratic world.

mircea_popescu: ("but mp, you don't do drugs ; what's more, you despise the junkie lifestyle -- shouldn't you despise burroughs ?!" "riight, because i'm you and http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/#selection-373.681-373.811 applies to me, narf.")

asciilifeform: now that we reviewed the usg-plankton-thieves triangle , possibly mircea_popescu grasps why asciilifeform disagrees with the moral angle of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816611 : yes , it is problem to accept 'dirty' fiatola, but not from ethical angle, but because we don't have the tank divisions and orbital thermonuke droppers to properly counter a fully-rousted enemy anthill, yet ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 20:05 mircea_popescu: ie, even if the bank welcomed it (which it doesn't because they're trying to do business not participate in la revolucion), you couldn't in good conscience condone a process that constantly results in you processing stolen money. cuz you're not in that fucking business, and if you'd rather be then go work for the ny families or something.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, do you understand how the "bitcoin corrupts" portion of republican ideology works ?

mircea_popescu: well, do you then see how this is the only available blade of "fiat corrupts" for the empire ? dull and small as it is, it's their mangy goat, one and only. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( i.e. at certain point, all of the working brains in the enemy camp, 'sell out to bitcoin', and what remains is buncha weirdos shouting orders impotently like the old man ceausescu )

mircea_popescu: no. not the certain point. every day, every agent opf the empire is confronted with the http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/#selection-967.295-971.2 problem. it is why they send people to steal the bitcoin from that "silkworm" tard, then sent more people to steal it from the people they sent to steal if and ended up stealing it ~for thems

mircea_popescu: elves~.

mircea_popescu: this is how the republic corrupts, in that once it's on the table, every man is now compelled to make a choice, and the other choice is incompatible with intelligence.

asciilifeform: the mega-problem is, that it remains to be seen... whether bitcoin actually works. ( consider, in principle, errybody, from the dc folx, to the cheese sellers at the sunday market, ought to be cutting one another's throats for a chance to get some of that sweet coin sent their way. BUT in actuality, they do not! why not ? )

mircea_popescu: sure. yet, for illustration : suppose camelfucker (as esltard imagines it) were sent to bomb vhs-america (as orc imagines it). the result ? after weeks of silence, "hey man, why do you want to harm these ppl, they're cool. i put in my greencard application and found a local gf, don't call her a whore she just likes to give head in bathrooms, it's all good"

mircea_popescu: this ~actually happened~, which is why all sorts of ideological products centered on flower-power (mostly made by kids who were 12ish during woodstock and not admitted, so they got bitter and dreamed up their woodstock in heavens) contain more or less exact, direct depictions.

asciilifeform: whereas in reality, osama et al can attend oxbridge, fuck 9000 choice aboriginals, and come back to goatfuckistan to make peroxide of acetone in cave

mircea_popescu: classical london, the model the us briefly seemed to manage immitating, was the place where all sorts of orcs (such as you know, lenin) went into "exile", because unlike their originating goatfuckistan, london did not give a shit about "politics" and "ideologies". because it had a better one.

mircea_popescu: period and full stop.

mircea_popescu: right.

asciilifeform: in re 'silk road' food chain, the coin can in fact be stolen from usg agents, in turn by usg.thieves, in turn by usg agents again, in turn by miami-dreaming latvians, and again by usg, and so forth, infinitely many times. none of these get visibly 'corrupted' , they continue to dream of miami afaik.

asciilifeform: granted in theory ~eventually~ it will settle into some ground state, perhaps in mircea_popescu's pocket , but this doesn't fix the problem of fiatola interface, necessarily.

mircea_popescu: this is not so, the first thieves usg sent actually went bitcoin native.

asciilifeform: apparently not, if they aren't openly in the wot and standing up to lordship ?

mircea_popescu: and i imagine they're in the deepest hole the reich has, not because of "guilt" but because they're radioactive, can train others.

mircea_popescu: well yes.

asciilifeform: from this it'd follow that the coin is now in some idcard-carrying vermin's safe, and guarded by http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-10#1158785 , and potentially stable situation ~forever, like with nuke warehouse. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2015-06-10 03:40 asciilifeform: 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)

mircea_popescu: quite.

mircea_popescu: except, of course, of how fearless the zeks are.

asciilifeform: so , granted bitcoin corrupts, like mercury reacts with aluminum, but observe that despite mercury being plentiful on planet3, aluminum airplanes still fly

mircea_popescu: see, this is to my eyes the principal vulnerability of the whole charade. always it is the case with tripartite stable systems you get a sewing together somewhewre, and so is here. the zeks must, at the same time, be brave enough to steal from pighead and ALSO cowardly enough they'll eagerly participate in samokritika sessions.

mircea_popescu: this partition is where the light comes in.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they'll just go in and fucking steal it.

asciilifeform: they can steal it any number of times, but they have no ideological drive to ~keep~ it, so it ends up in the usg safe next to the aes weak key formula and the nuke src. all over again.

mircea_popescu: ever seen http://trilema.com/2011/bad-teacher/ ? bitch wants new tits and dun wanna suck cock for it, because "that's bad and no http://trilema.com/2013/queers/#selection-135.66-135.84 dame would ever do it". so INSTEAD she breaks into fed vault, steals standardized test a day before it's administered.

mircea_popescu: and, this is the kicker, ~gets away with it~.

mircea_popescu: ever seen http://trilema.com/2011/bound/ ? two lezbos steal from the mob. and ~they get away with it~.

mircea_popescu: this is ~all they see, and therefore they believe it. hey, if you're as cute as a button and don't bow to patriarchy, you can just walk with a hunk of gold from fort knox.

asciilifeform: i saw a film exactly like this once; utter rubbish, where some 'historian' d00d steals 'declaration of independence' from museum

mircea_popescu: bravery, see ? he who dares take gang hookers on a whim, can in principle dare to go steal the nuke keys.

asciilifeform: had nice touch where he gets into it through seekrit passage in the adjacent train station ( i go to that train station quite often, and it was an extra lulzgem )

mircea_popescu: and this is the problem. system relies on them being both insanely brave, past any degree of human bravery, and ALSO insanely poltroonish, below what one sees even in 6yos.

asciilifeform: system would prefer that the ballsy folx march into machinegun fire asap, yes.

mircea_popescu: nah. just the ~integrated~ ones. see ? the moment they integrate their courage, they a) lose some portions of it and b) become indeed very dangerous.

a111: Logged on 2014-04-13 22:23 mircea_popescu: "In 2013, two men from upstate New York were arrested after building a radioactive "death ray" device and plotting to use it against Muslims"

mircea_popescu: that's how democratic state stays stable : a) integrating the world but also b) desintegrating the zek mind.

asciilifeform: i still recall one of the provocateurs who showed up here, who was genuinely puzzled why asciilifeform did not take interest in his 'private' invitations to join 'militia'

asciilifeform: their 3ring notebook has just a handful of formulae, and they apply, religiously, each one, forever.

mircea_popescu: i suspect you're profiled as "crotchety old man with no social skills" because "technical expertise must have this fatal flaw" as per the cinematic rolodex of fatal flaws.

asciilifeform: 'errybody MUST want to associate with the back-twothirds snail of the bellcurve! it's written in the biblokoran' or sumthing

mircea_popescu: sorry about that ; somehow had a bad ' in title.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, notice that the "headcount is the only criterion" is baked very deeply in their cvasi-brains. which is why the recent lulz with dns and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756992 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal

asciilifeform: they'll sometimes hunt and skin 'low headcount' items , like the 2 latvian idjits, if they see something valuable to steal

mircea_popescu: "transform through culture -- as long as the fundamentals don't change". or, in caragiale's words, century+ ago, "Din două una, dați-mi voie: ori să se revizuiască, primesc! dar să nu se schimbe nimica; ori să nu se revizuiască, primesc! dar atunci să se schimbe pe ici pe colo, și anume în punctele... esențiale... Din această dilemă nu puteți ieși... Am zis! "

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, but only as a "low high headcount".

mircea_popescu: which ?

mircea_popescu: anyway, i suspect we might be the only ones to have ~ever~ produced an item that doesn't specifically benefit from headcount as such.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that it's still ~ordered~ from low to high, irrespective of how it happens to have a small cardinal.

mircea_popescu: the difference between {1,2} and {1,2,3,4,5,6,7...,190999} is not substantial -- yes one's larger than the other, but the first can be enlarged and it'll keep structure.

mircea_popescu: "all integers up to n" is not much affected by size of n, because the generative rule still is, "up to" "n".

mircea_popescu: so the first is a "low n high headcount" and the 2nd is a "high n high headcount", but the first byte is insignificant, "low", "high", maybe 17 is a very large amt of phone number, who's to say.

asciilifeform: they did at least Officially feign surprise that 'it's just 1 d00d', so i can picture it.

mircea_popescu: consider the illustrative case of art. so a man gets an itch, and as a result of this itch in due time comes an item.

mircea_popescu: the system picks up item, proclaims it is a "painting", and gives man something for it.

mircea_popescu: at this point, man diverges into two fundamentally disjunct and irreconcilable possiblities.

mircea_popescu: if man is a dullard, man will engage in "high headcount", female generative process : how to make ANOTHER item JUST LIKE THE FIRST.

mircea_popescu: if man is intelligent, will engage in "difference and variety", scientific ( http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ ) generative process : how to make another item not at all like the first, except where it utterly has to.

mircea_popescu: nobody's proposing deductive solutions. the only observation is that trying to build one-legged walkers will result in grief.

asciilifeform: ( and always. recall how stalin, whatever else he succeeded in, was unable to create a half-passable replacement for himself. ditto peter. )

asciilifeform: in re deductive solutions -- it still puzzles me how e.g. bitcoin can be 'worth 8k' but simultaenously no dc anywhere wants any.

mircea_popescu: so far that's even the reason empire crossed the threshold into oblivion ( i'm too lazy to dig up ye olde trilema where i say "state may exist for as long as it so closely mimmicks my will i can't discern it's there, and not one second past that" ) and now must be destroyed. had it had the sense (rather, the capacity) to maintain both forms, i'd nwever have even noticed it, and it could have continued to exist therefore. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it can get way worse than that,

mircea_popescu: !Qgoogle joshua bell

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-18#761314 there we go ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2014-07-18 20:19 princessnell: they can't identify a maestro for a mendicant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM21gPmkDpI

asciilifeform: 1st publicly-visible case of d00d pissing on the usg's anti-bitcoin ( yes, before bitcoin ) electric fence.

mircea_popescu: trinque, no more https://www.huobi.com/ ?

mircea_popescu: nah.

asciilifeform: trinque: they want it , but strictly to safely sequester in bunker, per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816751 . ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 21:12 asciilifeform: from this it'd follow that the coin is now in some idcard-carrying vermin's safe, and guarded by http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-10#1158785 , and potentially stable situation ~forever, like with nuke warehouse.

asciilifeform: from both euro-american and chinese lizard pov, world without bitcoin is best, but second-best is world where it is exactly like plutonium, plebe who somehow finds some has no choice but to bury in the deepest hole he can dig and forget that it happened

mircea_popescu: i suppose so, huh.

Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816678 I think it's head and shoulders above whatever else, specifically for those who can write well and who have fine points actually worth making ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 20:32 mircea_popescu: hey Mocky , how do you like the power of logs and blogs leveraged to make incredibly fine points incredibly well ? this'd be why http://trilema.com/2010/cartile-au-murit/

mircea_popescu: in the end, the aquarium feeder and the aquarium fauna have more in common than they'd like to admit necessarily.

mircea_popescu: Mocky, sadly, the whatever else is mostly "books". because the only fucking altgernative is writing simple books about simple databases for http://trilema.com/2016/there-has-not-yet-been-seen-a-simple-thing-even-if-were-drowning-in-simple-people/ ☟︎

asciilifeform: trinque: if pekin actually shuttered the exchanges, this is dumbest possible move, nao chinese coin will be sold in new york for usd and put in usg bank to steal.

asciilifeform: ( granted, hope probably is 'not sold at all, and the Party will eventually take it' )

mircea_popescu: it's possible they're trying some kind of monetarism, "if dried crickets we put in china aquarium can no longer be traded for bitcoin, on account of how poor us aquarium is kept the price of bitcoin will drop we can buy cheaper". or whatever inane monetarism.

mircea_popescu: the chinese were never famed for their intelligence.

asciilifeform: reich can continue to soldier on ~indefinitely for so long as it can afford to maintain a miami for idiot orcs to salivate for. this could prove to be a very long time.

mircea_popescu: athens-miami was here 2500 years ago, and will be here 2500 years from now.

mircea_popescu: what the normies salivate at has ~no bearing to anything.

asciilifeform: plankton, no bearing, no; folx with 'actual power' (i.e. coin) trading it 'for fetish of power' (usd in nyc) -- bearing.

mircea_popescu: the problem is that the value of normie "work", ie, what normie can do, was >0 from age of sail to end of industrialization, mid 1800s. whereas since orwell it's not been the case./

mircea_popescu: so there shall not long exist the sort of things one expects of "Working socialist reich". consider -- it is infinitely easier now to find a girlfriend (in medieval parlance whore) than a houseworker (in medieval parlance, maid). by a factor of at least 100.

mircea_popescu: this is strictly because socialist democracy. otherwise -- it's 100x the other way.

asciilifeform: servants, in the customary sense, are ~banned in the reich ('they have RIGHTS!')

mircea_popescu: also, "convenience" as in store etc, is not supportable in kingdom, monarchy only item. which is why you want to buy parts and your 1600 counterpart had them hand-made by expert he maintained relatiosnhip with (ie, house and so on)

mircea_popescu: but then again, as you discover ~no store holds anything interesting anyway, as seen in recent logs...

asciilifeform: ... or when they do, 1000% markup ( recall the thread about the lids on FUCKGOATS analogue board ? )

mircea_popescu: so there you go. it's not a matter of "if".

asciilifeform: store -- holds parts such as are used in 'fishtank' maintenance. want anything else -- stuck building it in spare time, for years.

asciilifeform: i suppose for people with money, the equation differs, but i am not , never was, and never expect to be such a thing, and cannot comment authoritatively.

mircea_popescu: point remains -- stores in vhs america hold "anything you could possibly want". that is the exact statement ; and it is a fundamental requirement. no longe satisfied -- no longer to the camelfuckers go native in your newyorklondonzurich

asciilifeform: camelfuckers seems to aspire to become fat, lazy newyorkers, wanting strictly what the snail of the bellcurve always wants; rather than screws with exotic threads.

douchebag: http://douchebag.press/ <<< Updated, all known CVE's for dependencies have been listed.

mircea_popescu: this is not my experience.

mircea_popescu: douchebag, now go through your wot, ask the people with -s to please take them off, see what they want from you to do so. ☟︎

asciilifeform: and i still don't seen any vulns in anything that actually gets linked to AND CALLED FROM trb

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's not, it grew about 30%

asciilifeform: douchebag: understand that this behaviour 1) has a name 2) might work LITERALLY EVERYWHERE ELSE on planet, but won't work here.

asciilifeform: nao granted this might technically satisfy in re what douchebag promised to trinque ( lessee if the latter -- agrees 0

asciilifeform: but imho it does not indicate that douchebag has learned anything in his time here. ☟︎

asciilifeform: guess what, it also isn't what any of us do. because it's completely useless.

asciilifeform: searching usg.cve lists is literally kindergarten minimal step ; even usg's automatic c/cpp auditor nonsense, does an ok job of it

mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-09 23:29 ben_vulpes: ACTION curious to see if the guy leaves off at 'osint' copypasta

asciilifeform: douchebag: you did ~only~ the minimal interpretation of what was asked. like a schoolboy. instead of, e.g., annotating this list with 'is this an actual vuln in actual physical trb'

douchebag: I don't program in c or c++, I don't do binary exploitation, I don't do reverse engineering ☟︎

asciilifeform: nobody was born knowing these. or carpentry. or anything else but sucking tit

asciilifeform: but douchebag if you want to 'security expert', web liquishit won't cut it here.

diana_coman: asciilifeform, eh, he's a schoolboy, not a lord; what of it; when (if) he grows up, revisit;

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to determine if 'short because boy' or 'short because dwarf'

douchebag: asciilifeform: When it comes to web application exploitation - I'm a pro and it's rather profitible

ben_vulpes: unrelated, "She had initially hesitated to work on criminal cases because she was unsure of legal and ethical issues, especially if people uploading their DNA to GEDmatch were unaware police were trawling through the database." https://archive.is/6zrLD#selection-1651.70-1651.284 ☟︎

ben_vulpes: yes but the "unsure if i should do this until people cheered for me" bit was lulzy

ben_vulpes: "But the positive feedback since the Golden State Killer case convinced her to make the plunge."

douchebag: also asciilifeform, for the type of job I would like to have web application exploitation, network attacks, and social engineering attacks are the main things I need to focus on

douchebag: I think reverse engineering is cool as fuck, however it's not going to be very helpful to achieve my end goal

asciilifeform: douchebag: for so long as you understand that you become a usg electro-echafaudage expert, and your fortune will rise and fall with usg's -- like patent lawyer's -- then why not, do it

asciilifeform: douchebag: and the 'fool's gold', usd, will buy only miami, for so long as there's any miami left, and there's long queue of people ahead of you.

douchebag: Well I can, but I'd like to have a job doing it. Perhaps start a security firm someday

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816892 << dood, what are you talking about. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 22:19 asciilifeform: but imho it does not indicate that douchebag has learned anything in his time here.

douchebag: asciilifeform: Well, the security firm I currently work for doesn't allow me to give customers actual advice on security. eg. "Hey maybe running windows server 2003 isn't a good idea for your company"

mircea_popescu: why not ?

douchebag: Because that wouldn't be good for business, all they let me do is install security software and configure it for customers

mircea_popescu: strategic advice reserved for more senior roles, or do they simply not like any permanent fixes ?

mircea_popescu: right.

mircea_popescu: sounds like a terribly crummy job.

asciilifeform: prolly because ibm and oracle won't dispense fresh, thick greens of printolade for uttering heresies ?

douchebag: I want to work a fulfilling job where I know that I am actually providing a good service and giving customers a high quality security audit as well as high quality security products ☟︎

douchebag: Installing security software that intercepts all traffic (even ssl traffic) on a windows server 2003 install made me cringe

asciilifeform: douchebag: 'security business' in the form in which it exists today, is strictly religious/ritual arm of usg church; legitimate security business consists solely and strictly in the systematic disassembly of usg; and once disassembled properly, it will exist no longer.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, let me give you a little puzzler here. so, stanley wojtowicz, the guy that robbed a brooklyn bank to pay for lizzie eden's sex change operation but failed to produce any money this way, nevertheless got paid when sidney lumet made his film. he was paid, 1% of the net. what's wrong with this ?

mircea_popescu: douchebag, the risk is, of course, that you end up the next http://qntra.net/2018/05/us-kangaroo-court-issues-conviction-for-kidnapped-antivirus-operator/

diana_coman: asciilifeform, for all the world if the above doesn't scream "boy" at you (instead of dwarf, I don't know what else can)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nuffin wrong, per se, so long as d00d understands what he gets into.

mircea_popescu: ahahaha

mircea_popescu: OF THE GROSS.

douchebag: diana_coman: I'd imagine that only companies who actually care about their security would purchase my services

mircea_popescu: every fucking noob knows this. KNOW THIS.

mircea_popescu: % of the gross or no deal. hollywood is notorious for cooking books.

douchebag: Primarily because they would know upfront, this isn't just an audit to help them pass compliance tests

mircea_popescu: douchebag, it doesn't pay for companies to actually care about their security, because of the principal-agent problem and the easy exit "nobody could have predicted" offers.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816901 << understand, most of the "tasks" you'll get here, and for a long while, are principally useful to you, in that they get you to fix things about yourself, such as the foregoing. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 22:22 douchebag: I don't program in c or c++, I don't do binary exploitation, I don't do reverse engineering

douchebag: Well, most security firms just run a scanner and tell companies to "update x install y to pass compliance"

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far it doesn't look to me like he's at risk of http://qntra.net/2018/05/us-kangaroo-court-issues-conviction-for-kidnapped-antivirus-operator/ , instead he's at risk of a) running 'the next mandiant' , and making 'million dollars', and thinking as result that he has something to do with 'security' or that the million is 'actual money' or, far more likely, b ) ending in sad , tall pile of hollywood-waitress-style bo

douchebag: I would be doing a more comprehensive audit, as well as telling them exactly what they need to do to actually be secure their company - even though my service would require more work for them it would be a betterend result for them

asciilifeform: ( it isn't any seekrit that asciilifeform is , among other things, a burned-out veteran of 'b' , yrs past )

asciilifeform: douchebag: absolutely NO usd-paying customers of the 'security industry' give HALF A SHIT about actual results. if you do not get this through your thick skull now, you can learn it on own skin later, it doesn't make much diff to asciilifeform , which one you choose.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:31 mircea_popescu: aite, here : "does ubervu have a chance of ever being profitable ? absolutely never. there's complicated considerations involved, but principally determinant two : first, and absolutely unsurmountable, is that such products do not add any value, but are merely used in the way witches use crystal balls. exactly in the way. therefore, the more popular witches decide the brand of "best" crystal balls

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816908 << i'll point something out, in the vein of the previous "tripartite idiocy" discussion : law enforcement consists of very minimal work, and even less useful work these days. you know those century-old complicated "murder investigations", with barry fitzgerald going "tis a heavy case" and so on ? NONE of that still exist ; the line-ups to pick up suspects are mostly gone, etcetera. la ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 22:24 ben_vulpes: unrelated, "She had initially hesitated to work on criminal cases because she was unsure of legal and ethical issues, especially if people uploading their DNA to GEDmatch were unaware police were trawling through the database." https://archive.is/6zrLD#selection-1651.70-1651.284

mircea_popescu: w enforcement is ever more a vacuous activity, consisting of a narrow few items. "found drugs in house / car" "found '''child pornography''' on computer / guy was holding a gun in the bank" etc. all that's still ongoing are tyhe "taskforces", driven by specific special interest groups, the "drugs", the "sex trafficking", the "money laundering" etc. in the 70s large cities stopped prosecuting breaking and entering, much like i

mircea_popescu: n the 60s small cities stopped prosecutting petty theft. by now -- everything but murder is entirely opaque, and even murder is not actually researched in any seriousness.

asciilifeform: well guess what, asciilifeform & friends had 'crystal ball' that actually ~did~ something . guess how much diff it made in 'marketplace'.

douchebag: Well actually, I've found there are a lot of companies who actually do care about security. Primarily because they run bug bounty programs instead of sueing the fuck about anyone who points out their security flaws.

mircea_popescu: point in case, there are OVER A DOZEN serial killers active in california right now ; and nobody can be arsed to even know this.

diana_coman: douchebag, from here it really looks like your end goal is really "that the world finally finds my hobby extremely useful and terribly important to the point that it ALSO becomes very meaningful" ☟︎

asciilifeform: douchebag: if they 'cared about security', they'd have , for instance, FUCKGOATS ( whether purchased from snsa, or built 'independently', take your pick. ) do they ??

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'serial killer' is a saint, to the police state, supplies neverending flow of serfs eager to bend over and get arse searched, 'for security'

douchebag: asciilifeform: Well, when you take risk appetite into consideration - attacks involving breaking prng's are rather rare and diffucult to achieve

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, in either case the determination is tather premature. what's the rush. if he's a boy he has time by definition.

mircea_popescu: douchebag, difficult for whom.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember chikatillo ? word is, 3 men were shot for his crimes, before him. # of prosecutors shot : 0

mircea_popescu: rare, in what terms. etc.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, aha.

asciilifeform: chikatillo is every bit the godfearing loyal soldier of regime, as a street mugger is.

mircea_popescu: hey, his link was knee deep in "ethical considerations" and other pompous wank, dun talk to me, talk to the mentally splitten zeks, who steal from criminals but bend over for bureaucrats, discuss ethical minutia of imaginary situations and then work with doubletap usg, etc.

douchebag: mircea_popescu: It's not a commonly used attack by criminals working to hack companies to steal information. It's not difficult for nations state actors, however a criminal is not going to work breaking a prng when they can just use default credentials to pwn their network

mircea_popescu: douchebag, 99% of criminals hacking companies are working for a criminal organisation calling itself "the united states govewrnment", and 99% of the time their hacks include some rng-breaking component,.

mircea_popescu: which is why nsa made phuctor not mitre-indexer.

douchebag: mircea_popescu: I've seen very few cases of a company being pwned by a prng being broken, I see companies getting pwned via SQLi, RCE, XXE, IDOR all the time

mircea_popescu: i suppose "mine owne eyes" is a tough nut to crack.

douchebag: mircea_popescu: Can you provide some references about companies being pwned via broken prng, and we can compare those that were pwned via SQLi, RCE, XXE, and IDOR?

asciilifeform: douchebag: what to you means 'owned' ? script kiddie on forum defaces crapple.com ? because this simply isn't interesting, to anyone here. the ONLY type of 'owned' worth caring about, is , e.g., natanz uranium centrifuge, destroyed by usg without firing a shot.

mircea_popescu: douchebag, it's not easy to construct a meaningful base for this comparison. how do you propose to count ?

mircea_popescu: !#s debian bug

mircea_popescu: ^ you know what we mean by that ?

asciilifeform: douchebag: perhaps poor example, because the poor idjit persians signed up for it, by buying siemens and running winblowz. but it is illustration of the point of MINIMAL bar for 'matters'

mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, the anon-e-mouse thing is a reference to a cartoon serioes by alan moore.

mircea_popescu: eg, https://i.imgur.com/DKSAxns.jpg ; fellow's being clever, what can you do.

douchebag: asciilifeform: Well I get what you're saying, breaking a prng is an incredibly effective attack vector. However, I feel that most companies are more at risk of actually being hacked via less-elegant means

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ceausescu is on the record with "they sell us todays' tech at tomorrow's prices, but what can you do". persians bought what could be bought. not like anyone sells them useful stuff.

mircea_popescu: they lack the initiative to do anything about it and the means to do anything without the initiative and so on. chain of foibles.

douchebag: Now with that said, I think it would be a very interesting career being a vulnerability broker - however there are a lot more risks in terms of nations state attacks for that sort of stuff.

mircea_popescu: douchebag, look, sooner or later you'll have to decide if you wish to be an engineer or a singer. it's one or the other, however you call them, the carpenter-or-whore dilemma.

asciilifeform: douchebag: what makes you think you know what 'vulnerability broker' looks like ? or even that such a thing is even possible ?

mircea_popescu: neither this decision, nor the definitions of the terms involved, work as a matter of future projection. it's all in the past, the singer processes past experience one way, the engineer another way. that's all there is to it.

mircea_popescu: as it happens, mostly as a function of personal bias, ~everyone here with the exception of me assings value to engineering and no value to whoring. i tend to assign a value of about to cents to either, allowing for roundings.

douchebag: asciilifeform: Well, if you're a vulnerability broker you're purchasing and selling exploits that have extremely high potential impact. I think it's safe to assume there's a high level of risk associated with holding

mircea_popescu: kinda ~same as associated with being superman.

asciilifeform: douchebag: i hold that it is impossible to sell exploits, and the NO ONE does it. what they do instead, is accept gifts of chocolate and flowers (aka 100s of k usd ) from usg agents, in exchange for keeping nsa vulns off the public forum for a few extra bonus months.

asciilifeform: understand ? microshit's '250k for exploit for win10' is SAME THING AS BOX OF CHOCOLATE to , e.g., asciilifeform .

mircea_popescu: well maybe not to him.

asciilifeform: would you take leprous cock in every hole, douchebag , for box of chocolate ??

mircea_popescu: this is an exaggeration.

asciilifeform: ( because that's what it is , to willingly keep a secret for microshit. leprous cock. )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point being that it ain't serious money, it will not buy a man freedom

mircea_popescu: due to how the imperial tax regime works, a gift of a few %s of your current income may end up a net negative if it bumps your bracket, so you have the choice of either paying 15% of 100% or else 22% of 106%, the latter is worse even if 106% is more.

mircea_popescu: nevertheless, this applies to a few thousands ; 250k takes you into top bracket anyway.

mircea_popescu: the "buy freedom" thing is an unrelated consideration. no one has to my knowledge yet manage to bottle freedom ; so necessarily those pursuing it in the walmart shelvery are deluding themselves.

mircea_popescu: there's all sorts of pulp/sf in this vein, "buying memories", whatever.

mircea_popescu: but in point of fact the sort of freedom you buy is sold to you by clinton.

mircea_popescu: and it's more properly called "rights".

asciilifeform: in practice there is such a thing as 'enuff coin to never work for a living again', and granted it comes with caveats , like for instance not being part of the snail of the bellcurve . but nevertheless it exists.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816938 << wait until he discovers that the customers dun want quality, and other problems with the democratic world. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 22:32 douchebag: I want to work a fulfilling job where I know that I am actually providing a good service and giving customers a high quality security audit as well as high quality security products

mircea_popescu: it is a legitimate desire, why not.

mircea_popescu: what they call "fulfilling job" is "item satisfying layers 1-3 on mp's restatement of maslow pyramid"

asciilifeform: ain't nobody about to pay a whore to self-fulfill, other than by happenstance.

asciilifeform: fulfillment is what happens in costa rica, surrounded by slavegurlz and rocket battery, in throne.

mircea_popescu: he means a job that 1. provides him with the physical necessities (physical dominance) and 2. with time-security (ie, not that he's fed now but that he can feed himself, permanently) and 3. with recognition (ie, that nubile women notice he got 1 and 2 and flock to him).

mircea_popescu: this is the basis of the unexamined life neh.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/#selection-611.0-665.0 << orig.

asciilifeform: point being, the fact that d00d thinks that they can be meaningfully fulfilled , as a palpable, achievable thing, ~as usg jobsworth~, is astonishing, to me.

mircea_popescu: why ? he's young.

mircea_popescu: and besides -- not so very long ago, it could be. almost.

douchebag: I just want to have a job that I can enjoy doing. The reason I don't enjoy my current job is because it doesn't require any critical thinking, and in fact is discourages it. I would have a great time hacking companies and telling them how to fix their security. ☟︎

asciilifeform: populated, as mircea_popescu helpfully reminds readers, with 'wives who talk back'

douchebag: I'd also like to publish writeups about my research and be recognized as someone who actually knows what the hell they're doing.

asciilifeform: douchebag: picture, for the sake of argument, that they ~actually fixed~. what'll you do then ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you picture, for the sake of argument, that anyone already knew, so was no further need of writing trilema.

douchebag: Fix the next companies security, there will always be someone that secures their shit.

mircea_popescu: "What would i do then ?!" fuck me, i dunno, break down and cry, really ?!

mircea_popescu: how about nothing.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yer not aspiring to be a saddles-and-bridles makin' craftsman, tho

mircea_popescu: i'm not aspiring to anything.

mircea_popescu: but that also changes nothing.

mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/6zrLD#selection-1593.15-1605.1 << anyway, pretty great biophuctor item, this.

asciilifeform: asciilifeform not so long ago read a treatise on psychology of india, by a 1880s british preacher. was interesting document, but in particular author is astonished re the dedication to work, and to the utterly meaningless drudgery, of the lowest castes. probably phf saw this even in modern india, when he went. and asciilifeform to some degree saw among some emigres in usa. douchebag you ain't from india, perchance ?

douchebag: Well, I just don't see why it's a bad thing to want to do something I enjoy and be good at it.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they've thrown money at the 'we still have holdout from whom we don't have samples, how to use cousins' problem.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i see that even here. these people LOVE to work.\

mircea_popescu: horribly mismanaged, but work, they love.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at this point it is safe to suppose that usg has biophuctor coverage of erryone in nato reich, and a good % -- outside.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is one possible way to fill empty souls; and it beats , in re habitability of locale, the other stable state.

mircea_popescu: im not sure that's the driver, but anyway.

mircea_popescu: funny thing, this dude, who had more sex than ~anyone in california (50+ rapes, srsly ? 1 in 1000 males or less do 50 different girls over their lifetime) nevertheless had a small penis.

mircea_popescu: not you dood. this "golden state killer" with the dna evidence.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't clear that gigantic cocks make the work of serial raping, any easier ( if anyffing -- harder ? )

mircea_popescu: there's a school in the modern phrenology that calls itself "physchology" relating high testosterone with aggressive behaviour and larger penii.

mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw, the guy did criminal life correctly. extensive research, and follow-up calls, to selecte & educate the victims of previous rape, strict avoidance of the low-ante trap, there's entirely no flaw in there.

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816718 << hah, i originally watched it for the same reason, and the only thing i even remember is burroughs sitting in the chair, and spitting the "narcotics" prediction in his famous squeaky voice ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 20:52 mircea_popescu recently re-watched http://trilema.com/2011/drugstore-cowboy/ ; it is notable because pretty much the last extant footage of w s burroughs.

mircea_popescu: phf, ~nothing else there.

phf: man spent his old age lending his presence to all kinds of experimental projects, all of which a remembered only through "burroughs once stopped by our studio"

mircea_popescu: aha.

mircea_popescu: what else can old man do with his husk ?

asciilifeform: momentarily revisiting douchebag : 5yrs ago asciilifeform suffered from same fog, thought there was ( or at least could be ) such a thing as 'security company' , or 'make a living finding bugs', etc., even went and opened up a thing, with coupla other d00dz, and we had an actual working piece of tech, BUT no friends in nomenklatura, and -- quite predictably -- it ended with nothing to show but empty pockets and old faded stationary.

asciilifeform: and asciilifeform suffers from the typical delusion of old people , specifically that it is somehow worthwhile to warn young folx away from obvious chumpatron bear trap.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the problem with you isdn't that you lack useful experience, but that you lack any apparent clue in how to communicate it effectually. when dealing with people who are both a) unsurprised and b) well structured, they can sometimes, if within the effort cap they're willing to expend, break up the content out of its very unfortunate prison of form. but otherwise, the communication fails to occur, and especially a

mircea_popescu: t the polar opposite of dealing with kids, you are terrifyingly bad. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1817082 >> no, actually. most women want to http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-133.57-133.334 ; which is the point of diana_coman 's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816974 comment (not that she's a woman ; but it's not clear to her whether your worldview is womanly in this sense). note importantly that the objection is ~re the source of meaning~, which is a cult ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 22:41 diana_coman: douchebag, from here it really looks like your end goal is really "that the world finally finds my hobby extremely useful and terribly important to the point that it ALSO becomes very meaningful"